Murder in the Moonlight - Ep. 5: When It All Falls Apart

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Speaker 6 The autumn moon in Nebraska, that troubled year, watched over a crop of confusion.

Speaker 6 What happened to that murder investigation? Who was guilty of killing Wayne and Charmin' stock?

Speaker 6 If you'd asked around Murdoch, the answer would be those cousins, Matt Livers and Nick Sampson, locked up for months now.

Speaker 6 But after the arrests of Wisconsin teenagers Greg Fester and Jessica Reed, Matt's lawyer and Nick's both adopted an altogether different point of view. Seemed to them, those boys must be innocent.

Speaker 6 Here's Nick's lawyer, Jerry Seussi.

Speaker 7 That must be a good feeling.

Speaker 8 No, it wasn't.

Speaker 9 That's a good feeling to know your client's innocent. It's a bad feeling to know that your client's still in jail.
You can't get him out.

Speaker 9 The cops are coming up with every other kind of theory they can think of to drag him in.

Speaker 9 And then when we get the Reed and Fester interviews, we see how they're bending over backwards to basically show him a picture of my client and say, isn't that the guy that you met?

Speaker 6 So many problems. There was Matt's confession, which, no matter how he tried to talk his way out of it, could still be used against him.
And that smear of blood, remember that?

Speaker 6 It was apparently victim Wayne Stock's blood. discovered by lead detective Kofod in a car owned by Nick Sampson's brother and spotted near the murder scene, right around the time it happened.

Speaker 6 So the prosecutor wasn't about to drop any charges. And meanwhile, sitting in jail, Nick had thoughts of taking his own life.

Speaker 8 Nick

Speaker 8 was

Speaker 9 in really, really bad shape.

Speaker 7 And so at that point, I'm holding him together.

Speaker 9 It's going to work out. It's going to work out.

Speaker 6 But would it?

Speaker 6 Jessica Reed, all of 17 years old, was standing, perhaps shivering, in a hallway outside her meeting with the prosecutor. She had just been offered a way to salvage her messed up young life.

Speaker 6 Testify against Nick Sampson and Matt Livers, and she could plead to a lesser charge, get a chance to go free. Eventually, her testimony would help the state convict those two cousins of murder.

Speaker 6 This would be the most consequential decision Jessica Reed would ever have to make. She turned to her lawyer, Tom Olson.

Speaker 10 She didn't know these guys. She had nothing connected to them.

Speaker 11 Sure.

Speaker 2 They weren't friends, family.

Speaker 10 She had no reason to protect them.

Speaker 12 And she had every reason to benefit herself.

Speaker 6 I'm Keith Morrison, and this is Murder in the Moonlight, a podcast from Dateline.

Speaker 6 Episode 5: When it all falls apart.

Speaker 6 The days dragged along one by one and mounted up and became months.

Speaker 6 And all the long while those two boys sat in their respective cells and wondered if they would ever see a free day again because nothing was working, nothing at all.

Speaker 6 So Nick's attorney Jerry Souce decided it was time for a change of strategy.

Speaker 9 I'd been a nice guy up to that point.

Speaker 9 trying to encourage the county attorney to dismiss the charges as the right thing to do.

Speaker 9 And that point, then I had to shift to be much more aggressive, saying, you know, coming at him and here's all the stuff.

Speaker 9 And I'd prepared a kind of an extensive motion outlining all of the information, pointing to Reed and Fessors acting along.

Speaker 6 But the county attorney had been busy, too, reviewing evidence, meeting potential witnesses like Jessica Reed,

Speaker 6 who, in that meeting, had asked to take a break to contemplate the prosecutor's offer.

Speaker 6 And one look at Jessica Jessica told her lawyer, Tom Wilson, something wasn't right.

Speaker 13 I said, what's wrong? She said, I know what they want.

Speaker 10 They want me to tell them that those two boys were here.

Speaker 8 And they weren't.

Speaker 13 And I can't do it.

Speaker 12 And I'm going to put myself away for life. And I told her, I said, you just got to tell the truth.

Speaker 13 That's all you can do at this point.

Speaker 14 And we went back in, and that's what she told him, that those boys were not there, that Livers and Sampson were never at that farmhouse when the killings occurred, that they had never met them before, that they had nothing whatsoever to do with it, that it was her and Fester.

Speaker 6 Jessica's insistence that neither Matt nor Nick was there made the case against Nick, at least, untenable. So the county attorney had a chat with Jerry Souce.

Speaker 9 And finally just said,

Speaker 9 whether they did it or didn't, I certainly can't prove it against Nick Sampson.

Speaker 6 And then, nearly six months after the murders, the county attorney, Nathan Cox, called a press conference and announced that the murder case against Nick Sampson was being dropped.

Speaker 6 Sort of.

Speaker 15 Since there is no statute of limitations on murder, the state reserves the right to refile the charges in the future.

Speaker 6 Was there a chance Nick Sampson would be charged with murder again?

Speaker 6 Well, yes, there was.

Speaker 6 But Nick certainly didn't act like it as he walked out of jail arm in arm with his attorney, Jerry Souce.

Speaker 8 We did it, all right? We did it. We did it.

Speaker 9 It was cloud nine, and it was an incredible feeling.

Speaker 6 After more than five months in jail, Nick Sampson was free.

Speaker 8 Let's go home.

Speaker 4 It was incredible.

Speaker 4 I'm finally out.

Speaker 6 But Nick Sampson, even free, was not carefree, not by any means. Some things could never be the same again, as he told me himself.

Speaker 4 I was constantly looking over my shoulder, seeing who was behind me, you know.

Speaker 10 So there was a real, genuine

Speaker 16 itch in your back fear that somebody was going to come after you.

Speaker 4 Come after me, come after my family, you know.

Speaker 4 Revenge. I didn't like being alone, you know.

Speaker 4 If there was any place I could go where I was, you know, I was around like my close friends or something, I was over there at, you know, friends' houses.

Speaker 4 I was anywhere because I didn't want to be alone.

Speaker 8 Why didn't you want to be alone?

Speaker 4 Just wasn't sure, you know, what could happen now.

Speaker 6 Because around this county in rural Nebraska, were a great many people, perhaps a majority, who were still quite certain that Nick was as guilty as can be.

Speaker 6 After all, his own cousin Matt had admitted full out that they had both killed those lovely people.

Speaker 1 I was

Speaker 8 upset.

Speaker 4 I'm at a loss of why my own cousin could do this to me.

Speaker 16 Why would he do it to you?

Speaker 14 It wasn't true.

Speaker 4 To make himself look better, using me as a scapegoat. My name came up when I asked who he might know who smoked marijuana or whatever.

Speaker 4 He's like, well, I know Nick used to.

Speaker 4 And so, you know, he'd tell him information like that and pretty much was implicating me and part of this and so then you know it just kind of came into a snowball effect with him make you angry some points some points it's depression some points it's just wish there was a time machine can go back in time and say

Speaker 4 forget this ever happened that's when you go out into the country and do a little target shooting and get away by yourself yeah get out and you know enjoy hunting and stuff like that so that's kind of

Speaker 4 getting out and just sitting in the woods is kind of just

Speaker 4 just a getaway you know and there's nothing out there to bother you you know you just

Speaker 4 sit out there and

Speaker 4 just relax and don't have to worry about anything

Speaker 6 but nothing could soothe the grief agitated minds of the stalk children starved of real information they hung on to what little they had been told what they'd been assured by the guardians of the law that the two men who killed their parents were securely behind bars and would be until they were tried for murder.

Speaker 6 And yet, now, the law had sent one of those suspects home. Why, they could not fathom.

Speaker 6 Son Andy Stock.

Speaker 10 It's a difficult situation.

Speaker 12 None of us are attorneys. None of us are in law enforcement.

Speaker 8 And

Speaker 12 you're just sitting there trying to take it all in, trying to figure out, okay,

Speaker 12 how does this work? Why does this happen?

Speaker 6 And yet, their cousin Matt Livers had confessed.

Speaker 6 At least he was still in custody.

Speaker 6 And then there were those two teenagers from Wisconsin, Gregory Fester and Jessica Reed, who'd apparently also confessed to some role in the whole awful business.

Speaker 6 But just what that role was, few people in Murdoch seemed to know.

Speaker 6 So confusing it certainly was.

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Speaker 6 Jerry Souci was no longer a fresh young lawyer when he met Nick Sampson. By then, Susie was a man of considerable experience in the area of public defense in Nebraska.

Speaker 6 He'd been standing up for the poor and the indigent, criminal and otherwise, for decades, had heard just about every sob story, every sneaky lie, every false claim of innocence in the book.

Speaker 6 And sometimes, he had discovered, people do strange things when accosted by the law. So when Susie watched the tapes of Matt Liver's confession, saw and heard him naming Nick as co-killer,

Speaker 6 well, let's just say his practiced lawyer I noticed a few things.

Speaker 9 There was every indication in there that there was a problem.

Speaker 9 When people confess accurately, I mean, the resistance you have from somebody who is innocent, the resistance you have from somebody who is guilty, from an interrogator standpoint looks the same.

Speaker 9 But at the point at which they finally get over that moral hump and say, you know, you're right, I really did do this. At that point, you can't shut them up.

Speaker 9 They then have to morally justify, okay, I killed my wife because she was cheating on me. And let me tell you what I did.
And then they give you facts and information that you didn't know.

Speaker 8 I mean, that's how you verify.

Speaker 9 With Matt Livers, what you had was at the point at which he makes the baby step. portion of his interrogation.
They then ask that open-ended question. So tell me what happened, Matt.

Speaker 8 I don't remember.

Speaker 6 Don't remember?

Speaker 6 And then there was something else that was clear to both defense attorneys, though they feared the investigators may not have picked up on it.

Speaker 6 Matt Livers, as he himself admitted, was not the sharpest guy.

Speaker 6 Matt had his strengths, too, of course, but in any conversation with authority figures, and especially under the sort of pressure that was clearly being exerted in that interview room, Matt Livers was prone to being led.

Speaker 6 He

Speaker 6 maybe was gullible.

Speaker 6 Matt's attorney, Julie Baer.

Speaker 21 There was a portion of the questioning where they won't let him finish his sentence.

Speaker 21 They're belittling him. They're screaming at him.
They're threatening him with the death penalty.

Speaker 22 I don't think you understand what the death penalty means.

Speaker 1 I'm going to walk out that door and I'm going to do my level best to hang your ass from the highest tree.

Speaker 16 And he believed them when they said those things.

Speaker 21 Very much so.

Speaker 6 And one moment stood out, said the defense attorneys, when the detective should have realized just how little Matt Livers understood of what was happening to him.

Speaker 6 It was when one of the cops told Matt he needed to be a man to tell them the truth.

Speaker 24 You consider yourself a man.

Speaker 25 Stand up.

Speaker 6 Stand up. In other words, take responsibility.

Speaker 6 But this was on videotape, remember? And Julie Bear watched.

Speaker 21 He takes them very literally and starts to rise up out of his chairs, you know.

Speaker 16 He's going to stand up.

Speaker 21 He's going to stand up.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 stand up and be up, Nega, okay?

Speaker 6 As Julie Bear watched the tape, what stood up for her was the hair on the back of her neck. Seemed to her those detectives just weren't paying attention to the sort of man they were talking to.

Speaker 6 Or maybe, she thought, maybe they knew he was not the sharpest guy, but just wanted that confession.

Speaker 7 You gotta go.

Speaker 24 Right or wrong, right.

Speaker 6 It all led to one conclusion. There was now no doubt in the mind of either defense attorney.

Speaker 21 If you, you know, you look and start examining the case in context, how it happened, what took place,

Speaker 21 it's really a textbook false confession.

Speaker 6 A false confession. He'd made it all up.
But as Julie Baer contemplated what, if anything, she could do about that, she got a surprise.

Speaker 6 Not long after Nick Sampson's release, with Matt Liver still in jail, Julie received a DVD she'd never seen before.

Speaker 6 Even though she had asked months earlier, as was her right, for all the available discovery, all the prosecution's material in Matt's case, this DVD contained a new interview with Matt.

Speaker 6 A second interview that the defense had never been told existed.

Speaker 12 Again, I'm going to read you your rights.

Speaker 6 This interview had been taped the day after the first 11-hour interrogation, the one in which he had confessed. By then, after a night in the local jail, Matt had a chance to regain his equilibrium.

Speaker 6 So, indeed, he did have something weighing on him. And here it came.

Speaker 24 I've been just making things up to satisfy you guys.

Speaker 6 Making it up?

Speaker 6 To satisfy them?

Speaker 24 An absolute truth is

Speaker 24 I was never on the scene. I don't know if Nick is the actual person involved in this.
I've been just basically fitting an answer to what you guys

Speaker 11 have been asking.

Speaker 6 Needless to say, this recantation did not go over well.

Speaker 6 These were the same investigators who had just taken his confession the day before and now he wanted to take it all back

Speaker 7 well not a chance and here they hammered away at matt there's absolutely no doubt you are involved with this and don't start over with me from the very beginning you telling me the truth and now you're gonna pull a jerking guys around deal

Speaker 8 i mean

Speaker 23 I wish I would have said that from the beginning. Yeah, no, from the beginning, you didn't say that.
You had nothing to do with it. You took a polygraph yesterday, and I gave it to you.

Speaker 23 And you were 100% involved with it.

Speaker 7 I have no doubt about it. I just told you that.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 23 But the truth is, I was never on the scene of this.

Speaker 11 I don't know that Nick is involved in this because we never... I mean, you can check my photographers.

Speaker 23 We never talked on Thursday or Friday about this.

Speaker 7 And the only reason I picked him, I'd heard to the grapevine that his brother's heart was used what are you telling me this now for what do you think is going to accomplish this now nothing I mean I'm just trying to

Speaker 23 complain I mean you know

Speaker 23 I don't believe

Speaker 1 you put yourself there you were there and you have told us things but you told us things that nobody else even knows about

Speaker 11 you told us things that unless you were there, you'd have no idea about.

Speaker 11 I mean, I've been making answers

Speaker 23 left and right.

Speaker 11 I can't believe they're even coming out of my own mouth.

Speaker 6 And when that interview ended, after Matt recounted any involvement in the murders,

Speaker 6 well, into the ether it went, never to be seen or heard again.

Speaker 6 Until... A package from the DA finally showed up at Julie Bear's office.

Speaker 1 How long was that withheld? Months.

Speaker 17 And months after, because he said those things the day after his confession.

Speaker 10 Right.

Speaker 6 And for all those months, while Matt's own attorney was in the dark, no idea her client had recanted every word of that confession. He was stuck in jail.

Speaker 16 So basically from the official story, his recantation simply disappeared.

Speaker 7 Right.

Speaker 6 We asked the Cass County, Nebraska Sheriff's Office for an explanation for that. They declined to provide one and didn't want to talk about any other parts of the case either.

Speaker 6 There seemed to be only one thing that could happen now, but in this case,

Speaker 6 well, when did anything ever go the way it should?

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Speaker 6 Well, issues with Matt Livers' confession had now surfaced.

Speaker 6 Some of the investigators would not and said they could not let go of the belief that either Sampson or Livers or both of them were involved somehow.

Speaker 6 They didn't buy the notion that two drug-addled teenagers just happened to stumble on a hard place to find by pure chance way out in the country in the dark.

Speaker 6 Though this is how Samson's attorney, Jerry Souci, saw things.

Speaker 9 Number one, you had two lead investigators who had never done first-degree murder cases before this one as lead investigators.

Speaker 9 Number two, having made the arrests, holding the press conference, they were committed to trying to build a case against Livers and Samson.

Speaker 9 And then when Reed and Fester showed up, I think it was just beyond their ability to comprehend that they had made a mistake.

Speaker 9 And so that somehow, some way, they needed to fold Reed and Fester's cross-country crime jaunt into somehow having some contact with the Nebraska people, whoever they were.

Speaker 6 Whoever, indeed.

Speaker 6 At one point, remember, Greg Fester said the main shooter, the guy who led them to the farm, was a local Nebraska boy named Thomas, with whom Fester had been communicating by phone before the murders.

Speaker 1 And shut again.

Speaker 7 We all run over

Speaker 6 And detectives have knocked themselves out trying to find such a person, this Thomas guy, or any guy who might be that particular one.

Speaker 6 But he seemed to be a ghost. Couldn't find anybody at all who might be there Thomas.

Speaker 6 And meanwhile, Jessica Reed kept trying to persuade investigators that nobody else was there besides her. And Fester, of course.

Speaker 22 I am

Speaker 22 lying, though.

Speaker 3 If I was lying, I would not still be going on about this.

Speaker 6 And she was going on about it. I've been saying that for months.

Speaker 22 I know what happened, and no one will believe me.

Speaker 6 Well, she was right about that. The detectives did not believe her.
They still suspected Livers and Sampson of some involvement. Why?

Speaker 6 It all went back to that speck of evidence that CSI Chief David Kofod found in a car connected to Nick Sampson and spotted near the murder scene.

Speaker 6 It was a stain that turned up on a sterile piece of filter paper that Kofod himself swiped under the dashboard of that car.

Speaker 6 That was during a second search of the car, by the way. The first by an officer under Kofod had turned up nothing.

Speaker 6 But that stain, the DNA test proved beyond a shadow of a doubt, was Wayne Stalk's blood.

Speaker 6 So, how would it get there?

Speaker 6 Only one way, from Nick Sampson or Matt Livers

Speaker 6 after they murdered the stalks.

Speaker 6 It was actually the FBI that started asking questions about that.

Speaker 6 But they didn't ask Matt Livers or Nick Sampson. Instead, the FBI's investigation was aimed at the detectives who handled the case.
In fact, at CSI Chief David Kofod himself.

Speaker 6 And after months of digging, the FBI came to a truly stunning conclusion that Kofod must have planted that swipe of blood himself. Phony evidence to nail down a shaky case.

Speaker 6 To say that came as a shock would be the understatement of the year. David Kofod was a respected officer, division commander of the CSI unit in Douglas County, Nebraska.

Speaker 6 And then he was an indicted officer. There were four federal charges, including falsifying records and violating livers and Samson's civil rights.

Speaker 13 When I was accused, I was angry, and then I felt the overwhelming power of the federal government.

Speaker 16 I mean,

Speaker 10 and that's something I had.

Speaker 11 It's a back truck hitting there.

Speaker 10 It was unbelievable.

Speaker 6 Kofod pleaded not guilty to all charges, defiantly told reporters he'd rather go to prison than resign. He even passed a polygraph and was cleared in an internal Sheriff's Department investigation.

Speaker 8 You wake up one morning and they say you're a criminal.

Speaker 10 Well, it kind of was like that, but it was a little different than that.

Speaker 13 It was more of a long process, and I didn't do it.

Speaker 10 I just didn't, and it doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 6 Kofod blamed the stain on accidental contamination. Somehow he said blood from the victim, Wayne Stock, must have ended up on that sterile filter paper, probably out of the murder scene.

Speaker 6 And then somebody goofed, and that same filter paper was what he later used on the car.

Speaker 6 That was his defense. But Kofo did admit he broke the rules.

Speaker 10 I did make a mistake. I didn't follow procedures, and that bothers me.
And there's no way around that. That was wrong because I'm a boss, because I'm supposed to set the example.

Speaker 13 I bet there's a phrase you've heard over and over again.

Speaker 8 If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably, you know,

Speaker 8 a barnyard duck.

Speaker 8 Oh, absolutely.

Speaker 10 But you know what? This doesn't look like a duck. It doesn't quack like a duck.
It just doesn't.

Speaker 6 How many more ways could this prosecution go sideways?

Speaker 6 Well, it turned out plenty.

Speaker 6 Coming up in the final episode of Murder in the Moonlight, how could Matt Liver still be in jail? Now that evidence had apparently been planted and his confession proven untrustworthy?

Speaker 6 And a killer tells her tale.

Speaker 8 Two people are

Speaker 10 dead because of me, you know?

Speaker 25 And I have a very hard time with that still.

Speaker 7 What was it like to watch those people die?

Speaker 8 Hell.

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Speaker 6 Brittany Morris is field producer. Leslie Grossman is program coordinator.
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