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Speaker 12 I remember I was just sitting on my sofa, just watching morning TV. I always watch a little bit before I start work and go on my Instagram.
And I saw the clip.

Speaker 12 And to be honest with you,

Speaker 12 it kind of turned my stomach a little bit.

Speaker 11 On the 19th of September, Sam Zenifu is sitting at home getting ready for work.

Speaker 11 She's a Greek pool and depth diver living in the UK.

Speaker 11 I'm months into my investigation. The CMAS World Championships have just drawn to a close in Greece.

Speaker 11 And in the aftermath of the competition, many freedivers continue to post beautiful underwater shots, reels of their competition dives.

Speaker 11 They're smiling and crying at the surface as they receive a white card from the judges to indicate a successful dive. And as Sam's scrolling through these reels, an image pops up that stops her dead.

Speaker 12 I saw Petta coming up from a deep dive. There's a lot of frothing, bloody frothing coming out of his mouth.
He is like in a very bad state after the deep dive. He obviously hurt himself diving.

Speaker 11 It's an extremely hard thing to watch. The video is a compilation of clips of Petar Clover, posted in collaboration with Vitimir Marichic, on Instagram and Facebook.

Speaker 11 Pettar surfaces after having what looks like a deep blackout, his eyes rolling back in his head.

Speaker 11 He's being held by Vitimir who's trying to administer oxygen, but Petar is vomiting, bright red, foaming blood. His body is rigid, his eyes are wide open and vacant.
The blood keeps coming.

Speaker 11 The underscore music is dramatic, theatrical and filmic. When he eventually comes around, he's moaning and coughing and crying out in pain.
He's had a deep blackout and a lung squeeze.

Speaker 12 I know it happens sometimes

Speaker 12 but the glorification of it is what struck me the most. I think they just wanted to attract a lot of attention.

Speaker 12 You know, and I'm saying they because I consider a small group of free divers that they dive very dangerously and they promote it.

Speaker 11 The reason it upsets Sam is that it doesn't seem to be a cautionary tale. The overlaid text that runs alongside the video says, accidents happen.

Speaker 11 And then there's a list of all the serious things that can go wrong at depth. Blackout,

Speaker 11 CO2 intoxication, decompression illness. pulmonary barrow trauma, system acidosis, nitrogen narcosis.
And it reads, if you're lucky, all of it at once.

Speaker 11 The message seems to be, this is what being a professional athlete looks like. And the trick is to recognise it and know what to do.

Speaker 11 The video ends with education, experience, practice, stay safe.

Speaker 12 Sometimes in free diving we want to look at pretty things. We want to look at pretty girls in bikinis diving and, you know, people coming up from the dive and having a kind of you know enlightenment.

Speaker 12 No, that is not the case. There is a struggle and there are mistakes.

Speaker 12 So, if that video had a different narrative, I would have used it to show everybody and say, Look, fair play, it happened to them, they've admitted their wrongs, it happens in diving, and we should all avoid it.

Speaker 12 But that wasn't the case, was it? It was a glorification

Speaker 12 of pushing to to get better, you have to almost kill yourself.

Speaker 11 Among the 26 hashtags are hashtag pushing limits, hashtag life on the edge and hashtag shocking truth.

Speaker 11 And as I'm writing this, it has had more than 7 million views. 36,000 likes and 760 comments.
That's viral by freediving standards.

Speaker 11 The following day they post again. This time a series of images.
A runner vomiting on his hands and knees. An American football player whose shin bone is snapped at a hideous angle.

Speaker 11 A race car driver with serious burn scarring across his face.

Speaker 11 The reel spreads like wildfire through the community. Underneath the video, the comments flood in and the debate is electric.

Speaker 11 It feels like the most consequential moment in the sport since the Vertical Blue scandal two years ago. And it's the same two people at the centre of it.
Freediving's new heroes.

Speaker 11 I'm Lydia Gard, and from Tortoise Investigates and The Observer, this is Deep Water, episode 5, Clickbait.

Speaker 11 I was in the studio when the reel popped up on my feed. I watched it three times and then set my phone aside to record.
I don't mind the sight of blood, but it was harrowing to watch.

Speaker 11 And I kept replaying replaying it in my mind. I was intrigued.
I wanted to know what their motivation could be for sharing that. The accident in the video was from two years ago.

Speaker 11 It wasn't a news story. It wasn't a video.
It was a compilation of clips. Someone had spent time editing that.
And it featured two people who've been at the centre of a doping scandal.

Speaker 11 They've spent the last two years collecting freediving medals across pool and depth competitions, gaining followers and influence as well as momentum.

Speaker 11 Vitamir has planned and orchestrated a number of Guinness World Record underwater stunts lately. He announced that he'd been appointed as Croatian national team coach.
He's Ada Croatia president.

Speaker 11 He's sponsored by one of the biggest brands in freediving and an ambassador for another.

Speaker 11 And when they post this, he's about to be a judge at the Ada World Championships in Limassol in October 2025. And this video seems to be a brazen, unashamed portrayal of serious injuries, injuries.

Speaker 11 With him as the coach and the safety diver, it's confusing. In the words of one person who commented, it's like a pyromaniac addicted to watching the destruction of what others have built for years.

Speaker 12 Who would you want your role model to be in the end of the day if your children were to be introduced to free diving?

Speaker 12 The post from Peta would not be someone that I would want my children to follow.

Speaker 11 Is there a read of this that's intended to share safety knowledge to help others avoid similar situations? But he's proving hard to pin down. He's travelling and in demand.

Speaker 11 So in the meantime, I reach out to some experienced safety divers and in the course of my reporting, I ask them about the video.

Speaker 11 One tells me that Vitimir's in-water rescue in the reel is good practice, that he's obviously knowledgeable about safety protocol.

Speaker 11 But when I ask what the motivation could be for sharing it, he shrugs, shakes his head, looks away.

Speaker 11 And it leaves me wondering, is it just flexing? Romanticising this attitude Travis talked about in episode 4 of playing up to the line? Or is it just clickbait?

Speaker 11 Because let's face it, if this was intended to get attention, it worked.

Speaker 11 As the reel starts to gain traction, the comments section blows up. Their supporters say things like, stop blaming athletes for their walk on the edge.
And, everyone is welcome here.

Speaker 11 Petar is pushing limits, he's willing to share the dark side of freediving. By all means, go on pretending that it doesn't exist, that's fine.
There's a place for you there.

Speaker 11 There's also a place here for Petar Clover.

Speaker 11 While their critics say, the Guinness World Records is where your stunts belong.

Speaker 11 There you can take all the pills and O2 that you want to feed the misinformation machine, but please stop calling it freediving.

Speaker 12 There's a group of people that they dive searching for those limits on a constant basis you know anybody can grind their teeth and black out anyone can grind their teeth and hurt themselves and and rely on others to help them bring them back to consciousness you know anyone can do that anyone can dive like that with complete disregard of safety of others and themselves.

Speaker 11 And as a mother of teenage boys myself, I know firsthand that who our heroes are matters.

Speaker 11 It's like Boris told me in episode four, when an athlete learns to attract attention, that translates as positions of power, influence, sponsorship, income.

Speaker 11 They build a brand and profit from it.

Speaker 12 Let's face it, with social media, anything bad will attract possibly a lot more followers than anything good.

Speaker 12 There is that danger. I mean, it's happening already.
It's happening on every other aspect of social media. Why shouldn't it happen a free diving?

Speaker 11 It's not unlike the viral game, Run It Straight, a version of rugby where two players run full speed at one another, sometimes ending with one of them blacking out from concussion.

Speaker 11 What started as a backyard game in New Zealand has recently found a new life online. And the net result is a teenage boy recently died after playing it.

Speaker 12 So what's happened is they've tapped into that

Speaker 12 and they've increased their followers, they've increased the people that they're coaching, because they're always going to be

Speaker 12 naivety in the sport, it's going to be ego in the sport, all of those negative things are still there.

Speaker 12 But what I am asking is that the people that they are top athletes is to sit back and think a little bit what they're promoting.

Speaker 12 I mean, I am a pusher, I'm not gonna lie about that, you know, and people in my club

Speaker 12 will say, Yeah, okay, who are you to talk?

Speaker 12 But

Speaker 12 there is pushing and then there is aggression. Look, I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you, yes, I I've had a blackout in the Pooh World Championship myself

Speaker 12 and it was an accident, you know, I pushed my limit

Speaker 12 and since then I have learned that that is not a good thing, it's not something that you search for.

Speaker 11 Vitimir's approach has supporters, like Talia Davidoff, one of his most successful students. She posted a video of a blackout in September 2, captioned, My First Nappy Nap of the Season.

Speaker 11 It is much easier to watch. In it, she surfaces, blacks out and comes around again laughing.

Speaker 11 There's no dramatic music, no blood. So much fun.
The caption beneath the video is an explanation of what happened and why. So it's informative, if casual.

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Speaker 5 I started watching the video and I saw all the blood and I turned it off. I was a bit outraged, you know.

Speaker 11 This is Fernando Bezo Silva. or Bezo.
He's a freediver and an emergency doctor, specializing in lung injuries.

Speaker 11 Vitimir says in his post, Our goal has always been the highest possible level of safety, improving and learning.

Speaker 11 This has driven significant research, including the first six-year longitudinal study on lung squeeze effects, soon published.

Speaker 11 So I ask in the Freediving Science Facebook group, who best understands the impact of repeated lung injury? And several people said Bezo.

Speaker 11 I didn't realise before our call, but Bezo tells me that he and Vitamir are good friends.

Speaker 11 What do you think the message of the video was? What was the point being made?

Speaker 5 I don't know. I do not understand it.
I'm

Speaker 5 puzzled.

Speaker 5 It's not something I even relate to in any emotional or intellectual level.

Speaker 11 I don't get it. As a friend, you haven't contacted him and had a conversation about it?

Speaker 5 Um,

Speaker 5 I have not.

Speaker 5 Maybe I should.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 I don't know.

Speaker 5 I think people do weird stuff in their lives and

Speaker 5 I don't know what motivates them.

Speaker 5 I'm always

Speaker 5 thinking that people do things because they think it's right. I always try to see

Speaker 5 why they think it's right.

Speaker 11 I want to get a different read on it, afford them the benefit of the doubt. Vitamin says that safety is his highest priority.
Maybe the blood and the blackouts just look bad.

Speaker 5 But once you start to have blood,

Speaker 5 blood is inflammatory. Blood is going to cause fibrotic tissue.
It's going to

Speaker 5 if you have blood, you're going to have damage.

Speaker 5 And that is the part that I can't agree. I don't think

Speaker 5 squeezing should ever be a part of

Speaker 5 considered normal progression in free diving. I don't agree with that.

Speaker 11 An article about free diving barotrauma, injuries like squeezes, was published in October 23 by the Divers Alert Network and the University of San Diego.

Speaker 11 In it, Vitimir writes, From our experience, the next day is usually good to go, but for extra safety and comfort, a day or so so off is good, especially before a big performance.

Speaker 11 He goes on to say, there is not much correlation for a risk of recurrence unless the diver is mentally weak or overly emotional.

Speaker 11 He says, the more we squeeze, the more we improve, and the deeper we can go without squeezing.

Speaker 5 If Vitomiris is hearing this,

Speaker 5 we're good friends, and he says that publicly and loudly, he has no, that's why I feel comfortable actually saying his name

Speaker 5 but he says dude free diving squeezing is is part of

Speaker 11 of death progression is part of training well I want to talk about vertical blue or VB our elite competition the one where the bag search happened

Speaker 11 how common is it in competition diving for people to squeeze when you're at that elite level let's say like you've done medical stuff for VB right yes so let's say let's take VB as an example because these people are really pushing themselves, and this is our elite community.

Speaker 11 How common is it?

Speaker 5 I would say, in a competition, especially a competition like VB, that there's

Speaker 5 people really pushed to the limit, is unfortunately more common than we would

Speaker 5 think.

Speaker 5 My first day on VB,

Speaker 5 I was

Speaker 5 not there as a staff physician. I was volunteering.

Speaker 5 I was just collecting research data.

Speaker 5 But on the first day there were eight blackouts and I think five squeezes, three were pretty bad squeezes.

Speaker 11 That's an important point. This isn't a shiny new problem.
Nor can it be attributed to any particular people.

Speaker 11 One diver I met in Greece was very well versed on the topic. He mirrored what Boris said, that it all changed when the sport became more professional.

Speaker 11 When organisers started paying people to be safety divers, the in-water diver responsible for a competing athlete. That the community split into workhorses and racehorses, so to speak.

Speaker 11 And then the advent of social media became an echo chamber instead of a place to gather and discuss.

Speaker 11 After Greece, this safety diver sent me an email, which said,

Speaker 11 This is the culture Vitimir walked into, and I think he exploited it.

Speaker 11 I think 10 years ago the vast majority of freedivers would have told you squeezers are dangerous and you should take them seriously.

Speaker 11 Part of the problem, just like with the impact of benzos on deep diving, is that there's a distinct lack of research into the long-term consequences of lung squeeze.

Speaker 11 So while what Bezo says makes sense, it's untested, unproven, lacking evidence.

Speaker 11 And that leaves a vacuum in which people can push until they find their own limit.

Speaker 5 We need more research, but also how even would we do research with the dangers of benzodiazepines that are going to throw people to 120 meters on benzos?

Speaker 11 Ethically it's tad, right? How do you get the information?

Speaker 5 Yeah,

Speaker 5 that's the thing of

Speaker 5 research in free diving, in addition to lack of money.

Speaker 5 There's a lot of stuff that is not easy to research and we simply have to extrapolate knowledge from similar areas in medicine that already have an answer.

Speaker 11 This isn't the first time I've heard this. It's a common complaint.
We have a lack of medical evidence, a lack of research in free diving.

Speaker 11 But someone is trying to change that.

Speaker 6 I'm from Belgrade, Serbia. I'm professor of sports medicine and I'm in anti-doping from 2003.

Speaker 11 Nenad Dikic is the anti-doping officer who was appointed by Ada in the wake of the vertical blue doping scandal.

Speaker 11 And in June this year, Ada announced a study to assess whether benzodiazepines are present in freediving competitions and whether their use may pose risks to safety or fairness.

Speaker 11 Apparently, Ada have done more than 120 doping controls. Urine samples have been taken anonymously, with athlete consent, to detect benzos and other similar substances.

Speaker 11 The aim is not to punish or stigmatise, but to protect the athletes.

Speaker 6 Nobody's protecting athlete. Who is protecting athletes? Tell me, because you are journalists, you need to take care about them.
Not to take care about

Speaker 6 science, Benzodiazepin's organization, system, etc., etc. I think the main role is to take care about athletes.
Nobody is taking care about them.

Speaker 11 Nenad tells me about a paper that he published in July about the Vertical Blue case. It's a critique of CMAS and their code of ethics, and the case is argued in defence of the athletes.

Speaker 11 It focuses on the legal controversy of the way the Vertical Blue bag search happened and was recorded, and cites potential violations of the athletes' human rights.

Speaker 11 In short, Nenad argues that William Trubridge broke the rules, CMAS were not within their rights to punish the athletes, and the victims are Vitimir and Pettar.

Speaker 11 By the time I speak to Nenad, I've already read read his paper and listened to a number of his online seminars on the topic of doping and the scandal.

Speaker 11 And when I first email him to request an interview, his reaction strikes me as odd.

Speaker 11 He says, I'm not sure that doping has such an important role in freediving as it appears on the internet, and therefore, I'm not convinced it should take priority when writing about freediving.

Speaker 11 He wants to focus on other areas, which are legitimate, but he is, after all, the anti-doping officer.

Speaker 11 It seems odd to say that this isn't the thing to be talking about, and yet be heading a water-backed study.

Speaker 11 I ask whether it would be better to ban benzos from a safety perspective, even if there's no evidence to say they constitute doping.

Speaker 6 But if you like, is it safe? Of course it's not safe. I mean, because benzodiazepines are

Speaker 6 depressing central nervous system. They are slowing reaction time.
They are impairing judgment.

Speaker 12 I personally only worry about the use of any medication at all that might have a dangerous side effect at depth because there is a very small margin for error when you dive deep.

Speaker 6 If you are concerned about that, I mean, I need really to ask you why. I mean, is it your profession? Why are you concerned about that? I mean, I'm medical,

Speaker 6 as I told you, I'm a medical professional.

Speaker 6 That is my sport. That is something where I'm present every day.
So, do you think that I'm not concerned?

Speaker 6 Or do you think that I'm crazy and I would allow somebody to use any drugs drugs who could potentially be dangerous for him and because of that drug could harm his health or maybe even that.

Speaker 12 No, if benzodiazepines have a potential negative side effect in the brain and in the body and in our response time and everything else at depth, then it strikes me that that is likely to be more dangerous than diving without that.

Speaker 3 How do you know that? How do you know that?

Speaker 6 How do you know that?

Speaker 11 I push back, but the conversation gets harder to navigate, more frustrating.

Speaker 6 So somehow I don't see that there is an issue of doping in free diving. I see that there is an issue of doping in free diving, but on social networks or in podcasts.

Speaker 11 He doesn't mention William Trubridge by name, but it's clear he believes the allegations stem from social media and that there's no basis for them.

Speaker 11 So I tell him about my investigation, what people have told me about the use of benzodiazepines.

Speaker 12 Some people will have them medically prescribed.

Speaker 12 Others might watch the success success of those people and want to experiment with the same drugs, even though they don't have the underlying medical condition.

Speaker 3 Do you know any

Speaker 6 case of that? Do you know anything?

Speaker 6 Do you know even one example?

Speaker 12 Yeah, I have been told by a couple of divers that they've been offered them, encouraged to take them

Speaker 12 in certain communities.

Speaker 6 Come on,

Speaker 6 that is a joke. I'm, as I said, one of my topic is ethics and prevalence.
And I am listening to that stories for the last, I don't know, 25 years.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 I got information from some guy, and that guy told me that there is a friend who is using that. I mean, that is not serious.

Speaker 6 So there is no, how to say, possibility to prove that allegation and something that is coming again from social networks.

Speaker 11 It makes me think about what Travis said, that the system doesn't want to hear it. And yet, history dictates that whistleblowers are crucial in the fight against doping.

Speaker 11 It would stand to reason that the anti-doping officer would want athletes to feel safe, coming forward, speaking to him in confidence.

Speaker 12 But if enough, I mean, this is how we work as journalists. We have to speak to witnesses and then have the witnesses' stories corroborated by other people.

Speaker 12 And if enough people are telling me the same story about the same community, then it starts to feel feel like it has more import. It's not one person saying

Speaker 12 that guy said such and such.

Speaker 12 We're building a picture. I've been interviewing people for months and months.

Speaker 6 I disagree.

Speaker 6 As I told you in first email, I don't believe that adopting is a problem in free diving because there is no proof.

Speaker 11 We do agree on one thing, that evidence is the way forward. It just feels like we're looking at the problem from opposite sides of a spectrum of truth, symptomatic of split in the community.

Speaker 12 Will Trubridge suggested that you defended the narrative of Vitomir and Petter after Vertical Blue. What do you say to that?

Speaker 6 Ah, Vitimir and Petter, uh-huh. I'm not defending them.
I mean,

Speaker 6 I will the same do for you. If you have been there and you are just the athlete who are coming to remote island to do go on competition and somebody,

Speaker 6 how to say, treated you like

Speaker 6 he treated them, I mean, I will do the same.

Speaker 11 Nenad tells me the results of the benzo research project will likely come out in early 2026.

Speaker 11 If there's evidence that they're being widely used or abused, then they'll create a scientific experiment to find out what risk they pose at depth.

Speaker 11 I ask,

Speaker 11 ethically, how can you prove whether benzos are dangerous for depth? But he prevaricates. He says evidence.

Speaker 11 And I reiterate, yes, my question is, when they have the evidence, and if that evidence shows that benzos are being used to dive, then how can we test to see if it's dangerous?

Speaker 12 How do you prove whether it's dangerous or not? You can prove with your samples that you're taking how many people.

Speaker 6 You could not cover with one research everything. And I don't have even intention to do that.
I just imagine that we prove that there is not so many divers who are doing that.

Speaker 6 Why, for God's sake, we will continue to work on that. And I mean, it is somehow, how to say, something which is pushed by social networks, by believing.
But as I said,

Speaker 6 we as a scientist, we don't believe in something. We are challenging something, research something.
And since you are from England, I'm just asking you a question.

Speaker 6 I mean, is it fair that one athlete is punished because of something which is not really, how to say, enhancing substance, which is not on the list, etc. etc.
Who is safeguarding that,

Speaker 6 how to say, athlete?

Speaker 6 That is the question.

Speaker 11 I ask if only 1% of that sample are taking benzos, but they still may be the same 1% on the podiums, then what?

Speaker 11 And he says they'll take that into consideration. Except how can they, if the testing's anonymous? It feels like a smokescreen.

Speaker 11 And while the speculation continues, there is one group left to speak to.

Speaker 11 It feels more pressing than ever to hear from Vitimir, Petar and Sander, because the questions that remain swirling are questions that only they can answer. Coming up in the final episode.

Speaker 16 There's constantly attempts to paramas and you've seen from my communication with you that I'm maybe even still concerned that this podcast is just an attempt to do the same.

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