"Psychische Erkrankung – wenn aus bunt grau wird" mit Alix Puhl

1h 21m

Content-Warnung: In dieser Folge geht es um psychische Erkrankungen und Suizid.

Anlaufstelle bei psychischen Erkrankungen und/ oder Suizidgedanken:

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Alix und Oliver Puhl sind die treibenden Kräfte hinter „tomoni mental health“, einer gemeinnützigen Organisation, die Lehrkräfte, Eltern und Jugendliche schult, frühe Anzeichen psychischer Erkrankungen zu erkennen und angemessen darauf zu reagieren. Was Alix und Oliver antreibt, ist der Suizid ihres Sohnes Emil. 


Wie sie heute wissen, befand sich Emil im Autismus-Spektrum. Mathe und Sprachen sind für ihn ein Leichtes, aber in anderen Teilen des Lebens hat er große Probleme. Seine Eltern erfüllen ihm den Wunsch, ein Internat in Japan zu besuchen. Das war ein großer Schritt für den sonst sehr zurückhaltenden Jungen, er schien sehr glücklich. Doch kurze Zeit später schlägt seine Stimmung um. Er meldet sich bei seinen Eltern mit den Worten: 'Es ist alles so grau hier.' Kurz darauf informiert das Internat die Familie, dass Emil Suizidgedanken geäußert hat. Das klingt surreal für Alix und Oliver – doch als sie Emil vom Flughafen abholen, ist er ein Schatten seiner selbst. Emil äußert Alix gegenüber ganz direkt, dass er sich in 8 Tagen das Leben nehmen wird. Um dies abzuwenden, weisen sie ihn in eine psychiatrische Klinik ein und es scheint, als ob sich seine Situation bessert. Doch das täuscht, denn Emil hat in der Klinik keinen neuen Lebensmut gefunden, sondern erkannt, wie er sich verhalten muss, damit man seinem Vorhaben nichts entgegensetzen kann. Im Sommer 2020 verschwindet Emil, die Suche nach ihm wird von enormer öffentlicher Unterstützung getragen. Nach einer Woche findet man Emil und bestätigt Alix, was ihr schon gewiss war – Emil hat sich das Leben genommen. Die Anteilnahme ist riesig, und auf einmal sind da so viele Menschen, die ebenfalls mit psychischen Erkrankungen und deren Folgen konfrontiert sind.


Alix und Oliver gründen "tomoni", benannt nach dem japanischen Wort für "zusammen“. Die Trauer um Emil wird nie enden, doch sie finden Trost darin, ihre Stimme heute psychischer Gesundheit zu widmen und dafür zu sorgen, dass andere Kinder früher Hilfe bekommen.


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Last but not least: Das wichtigste ist, mit den Kindern und Jugendlichen im Gespräch zu bleiben. Als Gesprächsanlass und Unterrichtslektüre kann „Alle Farben grau“ von Martin Schäuble dienen - ein Roman nach Emils Geschichte:

https://www.fischer-sauerlaender.de/buch/martin-schaeuble-alle-farben-grau-9783737343299.

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say,

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have

Emil emails, but

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think

it's a great artist.

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English is

that

interesting?

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know about

music, and

it doesn't matter what.

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that I feel like

it's not a problem.

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the characters,

they have a digital treasure.

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had done all in.

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in Japan.

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the intersections.

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an image, I

think that it is

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coaches and emotions.

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product,

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concerts?

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work?

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All this puzzle

and clarity.

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we do that

autistic.

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as a drum, but

it's not a very important thing.

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when

you

all

come, and I cannot say that.

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we

have

the

last

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I think

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can

imagine.

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in skeletons, and

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you come and

do that, we

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organize it.

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the same thing.

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we

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see that we claim

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internet, that

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market and then we have

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for

January, we

have to say

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total data.

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we have to

do it.

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the we're doing,

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that's what

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good things.

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have all this good.

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past,

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the family.

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crankshafts.

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all

be able to

make

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don't want to internet, but

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what organizations

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make

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going to be talking about

organic alignment,

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playbook.

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I

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go, and I

think it's

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we have houses because

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all that, you know,

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world and

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the autism spectrum, can be

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done.

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when you were eronish, or sarcastic, or

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world.

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would

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under mention

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market is also

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even the moment we

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have

to

be stupid.

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is

that

super good view

and

therapy, with

data, with

interpretation.

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we

were talking,

what

COP is mentioned,

that

makes

sense to get

the console.

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not.

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mentioned

the comments

is

that

the crisis

and

the protection of the people, and that is a moment where

I mentioned it.

But

the amount of

people who are hurting, I cannot

say

what a danger.

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thanks to the Robert Nache.

And then

we

can

see

and then we

and one class is that

the

machine is a psychology.

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in Deutschland,

a note for

a name, but

it is a

address of Frankfurt, we have

a clinic, and the name of the region

would

be

a

Frankfurt.

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one that

we have to concern,

we had

the same planet

is that my manner

was

emailed out, that you have terraports,

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it is the same.

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the children and Gansklazak and Friends

acutely

understand that.

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also

diagnoses

the word.

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in the clinical kind of site is

English?

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is the depression because the autism spectrum is so dramatic?

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clear and

the same thing.

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for

clearing for the

steel,

we

have

cooked the wall, or

emails are not.

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was

an email.

So, we

have

a mutant that emails.

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diagnoses

marks, and what,

and

the water was not.

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in the clinic, and then we also

in Darby, we have

to

do it.

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I

think that

the clinic Maxima is

not

going to be able to do it.

And I think we

have to of

the Anofant water

was

alternative.

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escape then

and in the region, we

have

interpreted

this.

And in the region, this

interpretation is

very important.

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a

very good question.

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even

Gofund before, or the greater,

yeah, it's

not that.

And then

we have autism

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in an week

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the same thing.

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this build can

be

a big.

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a friend of the anger and the most

And

by

the way, and what?

And the

cranks are

taboos, what we need to do, what these

are, what they

get

and depression.

But

that

feels good,

can't message.

So, we have

reality.

That we

had

to mention,

but that

kind of thing.

I went also to

biscuit,

and that would

be

an army, that the Armstrong

is good, and yet

that is the other side, and that was also

a

spread contest

in

the garden,

that in the clinical case,

that's what I think.

And then we have to go ahead and

read and do COVID, you know, with

the club and

telephones and buy.

a

little bit of clinics.

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that was Alice

and

Auskang

and

then

what

happened

to Ruger and then.

we have autonomous.

And now,

this is the

lesson that comes

relative

to

a crank

and

not

less.

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function.

A group of men and women

all

the time.

And he wouldn't

order

or

unrest, and then

we

have to

get order.

And when the clinic

is also.

where we

rather,

we have to kind of

give

it

a house, and we are

going to be able to

find

the cranks of what you

are.

And a kind of

clinician

and sociality that can

planned to make it.

We

had regulatory schools, we

couldn't.

And we're not going to be able to do that.

We're going to

go

by all good.

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was the

best.

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that galand in the clinic.

I think

information

autism

that we were also

saying.

So that

galander, so that's

what we have in class, but not

I cannot listen to

optimistic,

that's what I think.

That's why

So my

feelings

can also be.

That's my target spread.

And

also

with

a

very important thing: the plant when

it is

just concerned,

so positive,

indeed,

and not

man and

kindergarten

also.

I have been

and

we

have to

say,

And

then

what?

I

think

we are also

encountering it.

And

then

we

do

and that,

but then

with them, and that's

rich,

for the trauma,

I was mature

and

even

political

and

not

and then

we have politics

and we have to

police, you have to address the fact that

we have

to do and then

we have

have an email, there is a functionality that we have.

And

then a language and

aim.

So

this is starting to

start and

email

or

put it.

And then we have

this catastrophic.

And even in Muthat and

Danker, and all the turns and weaknesses and fragments.

And when

this thing was

a

political

artist, can we have a sense of

it?

And

a

lot of people would

thing.

And a comedy in film

a group article and the

class, there is

a lot

and we have done

the information, and then we have a fund, and we have

to go

and then

with the ground

contest, and we have

by Harry Potter

Fritz.

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continent,

and these guns and

that

mention of

them.

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world,

the platform

that

I sell,

that's

what

my man is.

alleges to

all

cranks, all the millions of waxes in the moment.

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that is what

kind of

automatically.

I say, for what?

And we

have

no know that

we

can't

make the schlims and the

tools.

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schlimming,

it's

also

this

and this in the action?

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That

I can't tell for the

same thing.

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this is what

I think.

And this is a graphic,

so this is

okay.

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immensely

kind of

for me.

So, you already mentioned

that,

and the house is

the image

that

we have.

So, we

had to

say,

we are

so

sorry.

So, you mentioned

depression, John Zoe, that is a very deck, you know,

is not

plus.

What to meet?

This

is all

craft, and when you come and

we

can't do that, we have

to

go and

date.

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is

my

content as niche,

and that is super helpful.

And then also

my past

and

also

we are

following

the same thing.

See what my body is like,

but

that's what

I mean.

That is

normal.

And

it's not entrutters.

So

that marks

in the track

and

it's to go to the bottom of the corner.

And kind of

Zeltst, or Frei,

and this hat.

When we von Seltzmord,

then

we have a bit of a criminal act,

but

a warball and criminalized crime.

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sun

dies,

dashed.

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all mentioned, the beginning of

crank.

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irrelevant

in the emotional tunnel.

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mention of zelps behind

a

steamer.

Siegel

was afraid of the people, and in a soft crisis that he had

to do with the children.

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was

also familiar with

the following, but

not relatively, or

even the same thing.

I wish that it was the familiar.

What

familiar

I cannot.

We can feel that

total.

We have

not merely

ended.

And the mindset was

not.

Second thing.

The zoom felt not

to travel, and then

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to

go

back.

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thing.

That we programmed plants.

What

garden was that?

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alternative flows

were

allegedly spinner?

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to go back to the

family.

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music

in the

middle of the city.

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have and then that was

bringing

women.

that

we

have

a

bewilderment,

but the film

also

often

by WhatsApp, all anger

claims,

and

we

have to go to the bottom.

And then the dimension of

the frequency

is an absolute.

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the problem,

it's that's that

a principle and that in truth,

and we

are

next to the

people, and we can

ignore it, and we can.

And

if you

come and then we get okay, and then we can

learn that in this percentage of

have

it.

So,

we

have answers when the

information

and cooking

can

be.

So, we have

this,

or

otherwise, And then we

have in Lyran, we have sex and digitalist

future,

the answer.

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also

speak the common

sense.

And then

for the next

close.

we

have

to

cook this,

and that we

have no house and

then we

can actually end.

And then

a lot of people,

and that is

why

we

have

seen that

the allegations

of this burger.

And this reason, reason, reason, reason,

with depression, with angst, with estuaries, with Zucht, that Frankfurt Banner, so

that

they

in the Zucher.

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is

healthy,

in the

Umfeld, Schulz,

and in the source of

the

world.

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and cannot be.

The warrant is aware that

we

are

mentioning in law.

Is it

an art

for life?

So, one

is gluckling in the middle of the school, that comes a thief

by the midlife crisis, and in in alternate

gluttony.

When we talk about the World Happiness Report,

then

the city is a very important thing.

The breakdown is

the

Friedenheim in the

Welt.

So there are

alternative.

And in Deutschland,

the Northeast

and

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