"Psychische Erkrankung – wenn aus bunt grau wird" mit Alix Puhl
Content-Warnung: In dieser Folge geht es um psychische Erkrankungen und Suizid.
Anlaufstelle bei psychischen Erkrankungen und/ oder Suizidgedanken:
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Alix und Oliver Puhl sind die treibenden Kräfte hinter „tomoni mental health“, einer gemeinnützigen Organisation, die Lehrkräfte, Eltern und Jugendliche schult, frühe Anzeichen psychischer Erkrankungen zu erkennen und angemessen darauf zu reagieren. Was Alix und Oliver antreibt, ist der Suizid ihres Sohnes Emil.
Wie sie heute wissen, befand sich Emil im Autismus-Spektrum. Mathe und Sprachen sind für ihn ein Leichtes, aber in anderen Teilen des Lebens hat er große Probleme. Seine Eltern erfüllen ihm den Wunsch, ein Internat in Japan zu besuchen. Das war ein großer Schritt für den sonst sehr zurückhaltenden Jungen, er schien sehr glücklich. Doch kurze Zeit später schlägt seine Stimmung um. Er meldet sich bei seinen Eltern mit den Worten: 'Es ist alles so grau hier.' Kurz darauf informiert das Internat die Familie, dass Emil Suizidgedanken geäußert hat. Das klingt surreal für Alix und Oliver – doch als sie Emil vom Flughafen abholen, ist er ein Schatten seiner selbst. Emil äußert Alix gegenüber ganz direkt, dass er sich in 8 Tagen das Leben nehmen wird. Um dies abzuwenden, weisen sie ihn in eine psychiatrische Klinik ein und es scheint, als ob sich seine Situation bessert. Doch das täuscht, denn Emil hat in der Klinik keinen neuen Lebensmut gefunden, sondern erkannt, wie er sich verhalten muss, damit man seinem Vorhaben nichts entgegensetzen kann. Im Sommer 2020 verschwindet Emil, die Suche nach ihm wird von enormer öffentlicher Unterstützung getragen. Nach einer Woche findet man Emil und bestätigt Alix, was ihr schon gewiss war – Emil hat sich das Leben genommen. Die Anteilnahme ist riesig, und auf einmal sind da so viele Menschen, die ebenfalls mit psychischen Erkrankungen und deren Folgen konfrontiert sind.
Alix und Oliver gründen "tomoni", benannt nach dem japanischen Wort für "zusammen“. Die Trauer um Emil wird nie enden, doch sie finden Trost darin, ihre Stimme heute psychischer Gesundheit zu widmen und dafür zu sorgen, dass andere Kinder früher Hilfe bekommen.
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Last but not least: Das wichtigste ist, mit den Kindern und Jugendlichen im Gespräch zu bleiben. Als Gesprächsanlass und Unterrichtslektüre kann „Alle Farben grau“ von Martin Schäuble dienen - ein Roman nach Emils Geschichte:
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and
I tell you,
absolutely.
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you have to
say,
we can
totally and
email where
you
can
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have
Emil emails, but
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think
it's a great artist.
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English is
that
interesting?
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know about
music, and
it doesn't matter what.
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that I feel like
it's not a problem.
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the characters,
they have a digital treasure.
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had done all in.
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so that
in Japan.
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the intersections.
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an image, I
think that it is
not directly in the
coaches and emotions.
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L12,
that
also
is
not
a very important thing.
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concert, a
product,
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concerts?
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work?
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All this puzzle
and clarity.
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we do that
autistic.
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as a drum, but
it's not a very important thing.
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when
you
all
come, and I cannot say that.
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we
have
the
last
one,
that's fascinating for Japan and Japanese,
I think
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can
imagine.
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in skeletons, and
when
you come and
do that, we
have a manger,
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leid
of manga, then
anime, as anime comic scene, and then
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organize it.
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I
should learn.
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it's fascinating.
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we have and then
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is it
kind of
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email there?
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have.
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is a brand.
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have total
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complexity and is
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this
is
the same thing.
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we
have
to do is
contact
Frankfurt.
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that
clad or
not?
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all know,
and then you can
see that we claim
that what kind of discussion
australian
phantasm, and
we
are
emailing
what we
have in the idea of the international
internet, that
is
tradition,
and that would be fixed.
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then
we have
to
market and then we have
nothing.
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the moment
for
January, we
have to say
that
we are offloading.
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have
total data.
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we have to
do it.
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the we're doing,
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that's what
Japanese.
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we have not
good things.
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we
have all this good.
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past,
and that also,
and
not so far.
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the hell is that?
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of sin, or
the
harshness we are
going to
have autism
from the beginning of the
bust, or
fling in fling and
better,
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here.
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that's what we're doing, and we're going to
come with
700
and that wolf
is
also
kind of
a very important thing.
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are that's what
we have
done in
the email international.
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the same way.
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in the Auslan
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of Notre Dame.
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to go and
English and
English.
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email.
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and in our
niches,
we have
to do something.
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familiar.
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of
the family.
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way that
the mine.
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yet we have 90% of the
time
of
cranks.
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wish
not in my
demand,
I
think,
as
well as
the School of Walton and the School of Politics, and we have all
the
crankshafts.
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immune, and
we
can
all
be able to
make
this
happen, but we can
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we're
real flows and then panners, and
then we
don't want to internet, but
also
what organizations
are in
all
the schools,
alliance and flukes.
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can
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literature,
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break,
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the children.
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in
corona,
you know,
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a practice that remotely
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in design,
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is it?
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can do is
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studio minister
in another studio
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this
way.
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say the dramatic
wolf.
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reality.
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we
have
also in the
wax, but then
in a new wax,
I say
that
in Frankfurt and Flukhafen, we
have to
make
it.
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feel
like
it's a very good thing.
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we have
to
bring it up,
and that
comes
when
we comic
and what.
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have a depression
and this warrant, so
inner
the fabric also.
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in the build.
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from Flukhaven and spread
also.
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that
Marx,
and what
we had
is what
the best
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then the spree partners and last words, and that
we are
going to be talking about
organic alignment,
we have to
make the other
one that
playbook.
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I
have
go, and I
think it's
a function, that
we have houses because
it's not a good idea.
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all that, you know,
that
website
is
in reality, we
have plus
that
coronavirus
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not all.
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in the middle of the family, or that friend,
then I also
that
we in this moment
feel
that
even the
world and
african
campaign
situation that allows and
also
cannot
be.
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to
you also
can't
put
it in
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field of platform,
the
case
for Emily Board.
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of
it, but we don't feel
also
what
we
need.
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diagnosis is the
data?
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market, but no matter what
we have diagnosed.
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don't.
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have anger, and then we
get
the kitchen.
And the diagnosis,
the autism spectrum, can be
done.
And we have to say that
the autism spectrum
but
we're not
clear, and the
okay, they had marks, they had the
sidewalk,
or
a wig, um,
the world
in rank.
autism is
crankhead and a wiglung.
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autistic men can manage the information
or
not allegedly, then autism is
a spectrum.
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autistic men
and
women are very strong.
So we
can't
with the social aspect.
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can autism
extremely
well.
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can be
done.
Humor is that so much
when you were eronish, or sarcastic, or
a new space
that comes
with autism spectrum,
so the name of the
world.
So, nobody
would
superheal that
autistic person.
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is
under mention
of the hand, and that social
market is also
autistic.
that
are
not
a flatten with hand and arm and flaken with augmented order
of
the family.
Alex Bristetia also
enters
into
Tal Version.
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is in the region
in the kind
of power, also
Immer, Aufeger, when a
Alex Hadium,
the email management would be
a very important thing.
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mass
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autistic menu.
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the word building.
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kinder autistic
Odor Germopt.
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die, the kindermid autism spectrum
and
we can be a during Odaiben a depression.
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therapy, this therapy
is
kind of diagnosed with
a constant.
Had a student
this therapy email.
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have a form of
besero.
About the email that this therapy
is
in therapy, and that is also
a fever
and then
we can.
it and
we need to
go
to the therapy function.
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live during a flex alert.
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Time to set it back to 78 from 4 to 9 p.m.
What a performance by Team California.
The power is ours.
And
even the moment we
have to do it, the email
and the
is
a total concrete plan, or in site plan, one and we
have
to
be stupid.
And the greatest thing
is
that
super good view
and
therapy, with
data, with
interpretation.
And even when
we
were talking,
what
COP is mentioned,
that
makes
sense to get
the console.
And that was
not.
That we also
mentioned
the comments
is
that
the crisis
and
the protection of the people, and that is a moment where
I mentioned it.
But
the amount of
people who are hurting, I cannot
say
what a danger.
And that also
thanks to the Robert Nache.
And then
we
can
see
and then we
and one class is that
the
machine is a psychology.
And
in Deutschland,
a note for
a name, but
it is a
address of Frankfurt, we have
a clinic, and the name of the region
would
be
a
Frankfurt.
The
one that
we have to concern,
we had
the same planet
is that my manner
was
emailed out, that you have terraports,
but
it is the same.
And then the semi-nutter side was
And the
Zucha with
the children and Gansklazak and Friends
acutely
understand that.
And that
also
diagnoses
the word.
In the targets, what
in the clinical kind of site is
English?
What
is the depression because the autism spectrum is so dramatic?
The saturated hinder
clear and
the same thing.
But it's a diagnosis
for
clearing for the
steel,
we
have
cooked the wall, or
emails are not.
So, this diagnosis
was
an email.
So, we
have
a mutant that emails.
And that's what it is.
And that also
diagnoses
marks, and what,
and
the water was not.
So, that's not
in the clinic, and then we also
in Darby, we have
to
do it.
Okay.
I
think that
the clinic Maxima is
not
going to be able to do it.
And I think we
have to of
the Anofant water
was
alternative.
So,
escape then
and in the region, we
have
interpreted
this.
And in the region, this
interpretation is
very important.
And we have
a
very good question.
As Weisman mentioned,
even
Gofund before, or the greater,
yeah, it's
not that.
And then
we have autism
that
in an week
that is and
the same thing.
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this build can
be
a big.
This is
a friend of the anger and the most
And
by
the way, and what?
And the
cranks are
taboos, what we need to do, what these
are, what they
get
and depression.
But
that
feels good,
can't message.
So, we have
reality.
That we
had
to mention,
but that
kind of thing.
I went also to
biscuit,
and that would
be
an army, that the Armstrong
is good, and yet
that is the other side, and that was also
a
spread contest
in
the garden,
that in the clinical case,
that's what I think.
And then we have to go ahead and
read and do COVID, you know, with
the club and
telephones and buy.
a
little bit of clinics.
Yeah,
that was Alice
and
Auskang
and
then
what
happened
to Ruger and then.
we have autonomous.
And now,
this is the
lesson that comes
relative
to
a crank
and
not
less.
The relative
function.
A group of men and women
all
the time.
And he wouldn't
order
or
unrest, and then
we
have to
get order.
And when the clinic
is also.
where we
rather,
we have to kind of
give
it
a house, and we are
going to be able to
find
the cranks of what you
are.
And a kind of
clinician
and sociality that can
planned to make it.
We
had regulatory schools, we
couldn't.
And we're not going to be able to do that.
We're going to
go
by all good.
That
was the
best.
Yeah, so
that galand in the clinic.
I think
information
autism
that we were also
saying.
So that
galander, so that's
what we have in class, but not
I cannot listen to
optimistic,
that's what I think.
That's why
So my
feelings
can also be.
That's my target spread.
And
also
with
a
very important thing: the plant when
it is
just concerned,
so positive,
indeed,
and not
man and
kindergarten
also.
I have been
and
we
have to
say,
And
then
what?
I
think
we are also
encountering it.
And
then
we
do
and that,
but then
with them, and that's
rich,
for the trauma,
I was mature
and
even
political
and
not
and then
we have politics
and we have to
police, you have to address the fact that
we have
to do and then
we have
have an email, there is a functionality that we have.
And
then a language and
aim.
So
this is starting to
start and
or
put it.
And then we have
this catastrophic.
And even in Muthat and
Danker, and all the turns and weaknesses and fragments.
And when
this thing was
a
political
artist, can we have a sense of
it?
And
a
lot of people would
thing.
And a comedy in film
a group article and the
class, there is
a lot
and we have done
the information, and then we have a fund, and we have
to go
and then
with the ground
contest, and we have
by Harry Potter
Fritz.
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continent,
and these guns and
that
mention of
them.
The men of the
world,
the platform
that
I sell,
that's
what
my man is.
alleges to
all
cranks, all the millions of waxes in the moment.
In this moment,
that is what
kind of
automatically.
I say, for what?
And we
have
no know that
we
can't
make the schlims and the
tools.
Not my
schlimming,
it's
also
this
and this in the action?
Yeah.
That
I can't tell for the
same thing.
But
this is what
I think.
And this is a graphic,
so this is
okay.
This is
immensely
kind of
for me.
So, you already mentioned
that,
and the house is
the image
that
we have.
So, we
had to
say,
we are
so
sorry.
So, you mentioned
depression, John Zoe, that is a very deck, you know,
is not
plus.
What to meet?
This
is all
craft, and when you come and
we
can't do that, we have
to
go and
date.
That
is
my
content as niche,
and that is super helpful.
And then also
my past
and
also
we are
following
the same thing.
See what my body is like,
but
that's what
I mean.
That is
normal.
And
it's not entrutters.
So
that marks
in the track
and
it's to go to the bottom of the corner.
And kind of
Zeltst, or Frei,
and this hat.
When we von Seltzmord,
then
we have a bit of a criminal act,
but
a warball and criminalized crime.
That's what Frei, the
sun
dies,
dashed.
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all mentioned, the beginning of
crank.
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irrelevant
in the emotional tunnel.
The
mention of zelps behind
a
steamer.
Siegel
was afraid of the people, and in a soft crisis that he had
to do with the children.
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was
also familiar with
the following, but
not relatively, or
even the same thing.
I wish that it was the familiar.
What
familiar
I cannot.
We can feel that
total.
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not merely
ended.
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not.
Second thing.
The zoom felt not
to travel, and then
Fruit, David Lachen, Muslims, and Schwarzenegger.
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to
go
back.
That is a very important
thing.
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What
garden was that?
What
alternative flows
were
allegedly spinner?
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to go back to the
family.
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music
in the
middle of the city.
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have.
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have and then that was
bringing
women.
that
we
have
a
bewilderment,
but the film
also
often
by WhatsApp, all anger
claims,
and
we
have to go to the bottom.
And then the dimension of
the frequency
is an absolute.
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the problem,
it's that's that
a principle and that in truth,
and we
are
next to the
people, and we can
ignore it, and we can.
And
if you
come and then we get okay, and then we can
learn that in this percentage of
have
it.
So,
we
have answers when the
information
and cooking
can
be.
So, we have
this,
or
otherwise, And then we
have in Lyran, we have sex and digitalist
future,
the answer.
We normally
also
speak the common
sense.
And then
for the next
close.
we
have
to
cook this,
and that we
have no house and
then we
can actually end.
And then
a lot of people,
and that is
why
we
have
seen that
the allegations
of this burger.
And this reason, reason, reason, reason,
with depression, with angst, with estuaries, with Zucht, that Frankfurt Banner, so
that
they
in the Zucher.
This
is
healthy,
in the
Umfeld, Schulz,
and in the source of
the
world.
Well, a piece of crank, that cannot learn, that cannot be so
and cannot be.
The warrant is aware that
we
are
mentioning in law.
Is it
an art
for life?
So, one
is gluckling in the middle of the school, that comes a thief
by the midlife crisis, and in in alternate
gluttony.
When we talk about the World Happiness Report,
then
the city is a very important thing.
The breakdown is
the
Friedenheim in the
Welt.
So there are
alternative.
And in Deutschland,
the Northeast
and
the Unglucklichan.
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is the first
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depression,
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information on webinars, and we can't.
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