Fallout the TV Series with Mary Laws

This is a head gun podcast.

I love doing the show with you guys.

It's been so many years, and I've really had a good time.

It's great.

I've always had a blast doing it, but I kind of

thought about something.

Yeah.

I guess we haven't been outside in a while.

Yeah, I guess we've been podcasting for four plus almost five years.

Wow.

We haven't exited the studio.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, to be to be fair it's a really well-contained safe environment yes it's a great place to do podcasting and uh you know until recently i didn't even have the instinct to set foot outside of the studio no i mean we have everything we need in here you know cooked zero cheese ranch ranch is here we got chips Plenty of chips.

A bunch of different kinds of chips.

There's been no need to go outside.

Two bathrooms.

And that's good because there are three of us.

It's rare that all three of us would would have to go at the same time.

But if someone's in there, you don't have to wait.

You don't have to wait.

Do you guys want to go outside?

Is it crazy?

I feel like we should.

Let's go outside.

Let's go outside for the first time in almost five years.

All right, we're going to exit the studio.

Excuse this ranch.

And we're going to go over and open the main door to Headgum.

Hello, Daylight.

Oh, my God.

Oh, my.

What's happened?

Oh, no.

Oh, my God.

It's a

fucking wasteland out here, man.

Holy shit.

How long?

Five years only?

That way there's so much sand and all the trees are dead?

What the fuck is happening?

Vines on buildings and stuff and they're all dead vines because there's a bunch of sand everywhere.

Oh my god, it's so hot.

All right, let's not panic.

Let's just orient ourselves.

No, no, no, don't panic.

Don't orient ourselves.

We gotta start eating rats right fucking now.

We gotta start eating rats.

God damn it.

This is so bad.

This sucks so bad for us.

I guess the only thing I know to do is I'm gonna start drinking my own piss.

I gotta eat rats, man.

I gotta eat a rat.

Oh, there's one.

There's one.

There's one.

Let me go get out.

Go get out.

Don't do that.

Don't do that.

I got you.

I got you.

Matt, stop drinking your own piss.

Stop that.

Stop that.

We have no choice.

Look, we have no choice.

He's got to drink his piss and I got to eat a rat.

Look,

new games have been coming out.

We've been talking about them.

Clearly, the world has been continuing in some capacity.

Why are we trying to figure out what's going on maybe beyond the surrounding area immediately around the head gum studio?

Heather, I can't eat my own hand.

If I cut my hand off and feed it to you, will you cut your hand off and feed it to me?

Do it.

Okay, okay.

Do it.

You know what?

I'm going to start.

I have a kind bar.

You just want to start things to go full of radiation, you stupid bitch.

Throw it in the ground.

Throw it in the ground.

Use it to find a rat.

Here's my hand.

Here's my hand.

Here's my hand.

Here's my hand.

Ah, this needs piss.

Are you out?

Do you need me to piss?

I don't want to witness this.

You're both my friends and collaborators.

I don't need to be seeing this.

I'm just going to piss on my own hands so that Matt can eat it.

What did the world come now?

Wait a minute.

Wait a minute.

This is...

Oh, this isn't...

It's not...

I went around the corner.

The world's regular around the corner.

I think this is just...

This is just...

somebody's like doing some construction over here.

Went a different way.

That's it.

It's just like somebody's putting in a new building here.

Yeah, it seems like you guys kind of overreacted, didn't you?

I got up my hand to beat on it.

I drank all my piss.

I hate rats.

Pretty, pretty extreme that you both went to right away.

But you know what?

Based on the first impression.

I'm picking up on your tone, Nick, and I just want to point out, what did you do?

Nothing.

You did nothing in this situation.

I was hesitant.

I said, let's get a delay of the land and let's figure out what's going on.

But you know what?

At this point, if you can't beat them, join him.

He's doing it for no reason.

We power up our fusion cores and turn into ghouls as we play you play the Prime Video Series Fallout this week on Get Played.

Welcome to Get Played, your one-stop show for good games, bad games, and every game in between.

It's time to get played.

I'm your host, Heather Ann Campbell, along with my fellow host, Nick Weiger.

Hey, that's me, Nick Weiger, and I'm here with our third host, Matt Apodaka.

Hello, everyone.

Hello, everyone, and welcome back to the Premiere Video Game Podcast where we used to talk about bad games, and then we talked about every games, and now we talk about games-adjacent games and games-media.

Right.

We talk about anything.

If it's got game in the DNA, we're talking about it.

It's a broad umbrella.

We're talking about everything that's underneath it.

Next week, we're covering the game, the pickup artist manual.

Yeah, that thing doesn't work.

It doesn't work.

Fucking we're gonna, Matt and I are going to blow the roof off.

I'm fucking pissed.

I'm so pissed it doesn't work.

I'm pissed.

We have a great guest in studio.

I want to get to real quick, but before we do that, a past guest, the great Craig Lee Thomas,

sent us a package to the studio.

It is the return address.

It's sent to the Get Played crew at Headgum Studios.

The return address is

Super Earth Headquarters 11 Democracy Way Earth.

And this is just sort of not to put too much pressure on our current guest, but this is kind of the thing that we're expecting from guests going forward.

We usually expect the guests to send a thank you.

Showing me the fuck up already.

Thank you, gift of sweet.

Craig's a real piece of shit.

The back of the envelope has a code on it.

Oh, yes, that's right.

It has a little code that we should, I should have

a picture code.

That's pretty good.

For anyone who doesn't know, this is Craig's from Helldivers 2, and a game we covered last month

in the recent past.

Anyway, I'm opening this up.

This could be a blank piece of paper that says fuck you on it.

It would be amazing.

I would love it.

The packaging alone is very, very good.

Yeah, this is really cool.

In the envelope is

wow.

It is a

become a

become a helldiver poster.

And this is signed.

This is really, really nice.

Wow.

Wow.

They're for each of us.

Oh, man.

Craig, this is awesome.

This is so cool.

What a thoughtful thing.

That's so cool.

We'll take pics of these and put these on social.

Yeah.

Those are gorgeous.

Wow, I love it.

I love it.

Thank you so much.

Just wait till I give you diamond rings.

Okay.

I guess I already got mine.

That's right.

Let's put that so far away from Nick Finn.

That's what I was going to say.

This is so in the spill zone right now.

I need someone to get this out of arm's reach.

Those are so cool.

Those are awesome.

Our guest today, a writer and producer from Succession and Monsterland, and Heather's Heather's wife, Mary Laws, is back.

Hi, Mary.

Hello.

Hello, Mary.

Hello.

That's my wife, Mary Laws.

Wow.

Hello.

Great to have you, Mary.

What?

Anything in my life?

What?

Why is it?

What?

I just like how formal it is.

Like, good greetings.

Hello.

Good to see you.

This is my wife.

Good to see you.

Hello.

Good day.

Who, me?

Just did all of it.

Heather didn't even want to sit on the same couch as me.

That's not true.

I wanted to.

I heard about it.

No, it was pretty crazy actually i'm sitting by matt no yeah i didn't know yeah

nick was i walked in and nick was like heather wants you to sit here that is not what did he say that because matt was like would you like a drink yeah Heather was just like, get in here.

Everybody in my life comes after me.

Everybody.

I'll say what actually happened is I said,

because we'd recorded something earlier and we're sitting in a different configuration and I offered to Mary.

I was like, I can move so you can sit next to Heather.

And you said, no, that's okay.

It's really, it's nice.

Well, it's my fault.

I actually believe I said I sit next to her all the time.

Yeah, that's what it has.

It is true.

We do sit next to each other.

Are you guys,

when you're at home?

And forgive me if this is too personal.

When you're sitting on the couch,

do you have a side of the couch?

Or do you switch?

Would you switch?

Yeah, 100% for sure.

We have couches.

We have sides.

We did switch sides of bed.

Yeah.

Oh, that's a big move.

It was.

I was really upset about it at first.

What provoked it?

I had surgery.

Kind of a riot.

But now we've adjusted and it's great.

Yeah, now I'm like, oh, I'm closer to the bathroom.

Yeah.

In the middle of the night.

And I'm closer to the dog.

I love the dog.

You got to be close to the dog if you love the the dog.

I do love the dog.

I'm sure Mary loves the dog as well.

She does.

And the dog loves Mary more than me.

Yeah.

It's bleak.

What?

Okay, so you're sitting on the couch together.

Do you ever do the thing?

Because

I feel like we're often doing this in our household where we've got separate activities, but we're in the same space.

Or usually when you're together, you're like, oh, we're going to watch something together.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We did.

We did.

The other day, we both worked and different

in the living room.

Yeah, that's it.

On different things.

Yeah.

We've we've got parallel play.

That's parallel work.

Oh, I see.

Yeah, well, well, you work a lot.

No, I mean, like, it's not like I'm not, like, on the Switch and Mary's watching a movie.

We did that in Amsterdam a little bit.

Yes.

I did a little bit of like...

journaling and like watching a movie while you were gaming yeah sometimes in the same room because i was playing final fantasy 16 for this very podcast.

Matt is grinning like he's got a secret.

I want to say Final Fantasy 16.

I know he does.

Open secret.

Yeah, it's like everybody knows.

I hear about it and I start to smile.

It's a big shit-eating grin at the mention of a game you enjoy.

I love it.

I love Clive, Torgle, the rest.

Torgle.

Okay, that game we've talked about in the past, and I want to bring it up again because I think it's a candidate for if you ever have time to come back on the show, I do want to dig into it.

Biker Mice from Mars.

You love this game.

What was your experience encountering biker mice from Mars back in the day?

Oh, I played it with my little brother growing up, and I was aware that there was the cartoon, but I was aware of it only after I fell in love with the game.

Oh, wow.

And I just started playing it when I was really young.

And it was one of those things that my brother and I found like, you know, common ground.

I feel like I keep looking at you and I, I'm worried, like, I'm just

free to not look at the microphone.

Okay, great.

I'm just going to pretend you don't exist.

We're on a couple of positioned on a couch where we're on.

I just wanted to sit by you, though.

I want to make sure.

We're on

the same couch, and while we are sitting next to each other, we're about as far away as you can be from somebody who's sitting next to somebody.

Yeah.

Well, there's a space.

There's a dead, there's a dead seat.

I brought a bunch of extra pillows.

Meanwhile, I'm basically in Nick's lap and it's making me sweat.

I believe we're-where you wanted to be.

So there's a healthy gap.

Whatever.

It's just one of those games.

Bikermeis was just one of those games my brother and I, we

bonded over.

It was like, it was a thing that we always like,

whenever, even if we were like in the middle of a fight, it was like we could like play Biker Meiss and we would like get over it.

And we had all these like secret,

secret games within the game, you know, and it's like who could press this button first and make their make their player do a thing first or and we were both equally good at it too, so we could could really compete um so it just like became a really special game for us and um

and then as i got older any i went off to college and anytime i came home that was like one of the first things we would do is play biker mice and we would like um it was like kind of like the welcome home thing one of the first things we did was play biker mice it's like that maxwell house commercial oh sure

what where they drink coffee and play biker mice?

No, where it's like, yeah, the family comes home for Christmas and everybody's drinking the coffee and it's like, oh, we're home again, drinking Maxwell House.

Oh, well, there's this one very specific commercial.

There's a specific one you're referencing.

I thought you were referencing the one that's kind of weirdly horny.

What?

Have you not seen that one?

There's one where there's like brother and sister are basically like, I'm so glad you're back.

Yeah, it's like, it's so good to see you.

And they have like real like chemistry between the two actors.

Yeah, it was like the actors probably like fucked in real life.

That's how it was like, it was exactly like that.

I was just like, hey,

do you want to

play?

And he'd be like, hand in the controller,

plug it on in.

I don't know.

It was just, but it was just fun.

And it was like, sometimes, you know, my parents would like, watch us play.

And we, we would just play for hours and hours.

And it was like a thing.

And it kind of was like, no matter how old we got we would always like go back to playing biker mice and what became special what is the thing you do what do you do in the game like what's your gameplay how much biking is in biker mice or marsh all biking it's a racing game yeah it's a racing game and there's like different different um

i don't know i'm not a gamer so like there's different like kinds of gameplay you could do.

So you can just do like a one-on-one.

Sure.

Or you could do like, you're playing with like six different characters and you're all trying to like beat each other.

Or there's like championship mode where you can like keep like going to see who gets the victory.

And then we always played like the same characters too.

And it was just,

yeah, it's just really fun.

I want to circle back to something you just said, actually.

You said you're not a gamer.

Yeah.

You

beat Disco Elysium.

I did.

You beat, I think, both Last of Us games.

Correct.

I think you're a gamer.

You played Animal Crossing.

You played Animal Crossing.

Non-stop.

I did, but but yes.

You're a gamer to me.

Thank you so much.

Very much valid.

Thank you.

I was really proud when

we played through

The Last of Us recently, and I part one.

Part one.

Mary went out of order.

Yes, I did.

But I did all the battles by myself.

Yes, she did.

You didn't have to like, like when we played Last of Us 2, you did have to like...

win a couple fights for me, but this time I did it all by myself, and I was very proud.

That's great.

Hell yeah.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Biker Nice from Mice from Mars.

I looked it up and it is Konami was the developer and publisher, Super Nintendo, but it looks like they actually did another Biker Mice from Mars game in 2006.

Are you aware of this for PlayStation 2?

No.

Critically panned.

Oh, by me.

Eurogamer gave it out a one out of 10.

What out of that?

Oh, no.

If you convert that to the American gamer scale, it's even lower.

10 out of 1?

What?

I don't know.

Sometimes I try to make a smart joke.

I have played Biker Mice now a few times with Mary.

Oh, can I?

Well,

you brought it to one of our first dates, which was very sweet.

Clutch.

I was so clutch.

It was we, I, we went to

like a little like cabin, and one of the surprises that Heather brought was that she brought her

system and set it up and had biker mice from Mars ready so we could like played it in this little cabin.

It was so sweet.

Hell yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Wow.

It's really thoughtful.

I liked this girl guys.

It worked out.

It worked out.

What were you going to say though?

You've played it.

We've played it a couple times now.

We've played it both on the original hardware on Super NES and we've played it on emulator.

And every time Mary fucking smokes me and just

annihilates me at this game.

Have you gone back to like see the show at all?

Did you ever investigate what the show was?

I kind of don't give a shit about the show.

Yeah.

Like, no, I did watch it a little bit with my brother when I was younger.

And it just,

I don't, like, don't care.

You'd rather just play the game.

The game was just fun.

It was like a racing game.

And it was just fun.

It's also one of those games where the game, like the reviews for Biker Mice from Mars are like, this game is much better than than it should be right You know, it's like one of those those tie-ins kind of like

I don't know like what alien three for the super nintendo the chronicles of riddick game or the king kong the movie uh the peter jackson king kong the movie game yeah sometimes like this talented developer will get their hands on a license and they'll just crank out something really you know really memorable yeah

it's also like i just look into the screenshots it's isometric right you're like it's like you're you're going at an angle like kind of from a top-down view it's an interesting way to present a racing game yeah it's really cool

um

wasn't there like a television it was gonna be like developed into a tv show ryan one of the ryans the the the cartoon was gonna be a live-action show that was the game i don't know i don't i don't know one of the ryans one of the ryans was gonna be involved the ryan reynolds that one i think ryan reynolds yeah it's paul ryan actually

yeah yeah former house speaker

what is that guy doing i expected him to like leave and become like a pundit or something.

Yeah, I think he's just like out.

He's just out of the public eye.

He just

probably is doing.

You just find these guys and they're like just sitting on the corporate board of like RJR Nabisco, making like, you know, $50 million a year to just like consult.

So I wouldn't be shocked if he was doing something like that.

The headline I just pulled up from IGN about this news peg.

Ryan Reynolds inexplicably reviving Biker Mice from Mars and Alf.

Alf?

Yeah, Twofer.

Okay.

He got both.

Isn't he busy running the Wrexham football franchise?

Was he a campaign?

He's been doing these Mint Mobile commercials, too.

Yeah.

Let him do it.

Let him keep going.

He's already seen what it's like for his career to disappear.

So part of me is like,

it's clear that he's just trying so hard to do as much as he can before it disappears.

I simply must salute a billionaire.

There is like a compulsion to just keep working you see from some people they're just like i cannot really do it all me i'm done i don't do much as it is

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All right, Mary, another question for you and for everyone.

What are you playing?

What are you playing?

Hey, it's me, the Resident Evil Merchant.

on the show to ask you the question?

I always ask,

What are you playing?

Have you seen this before?

We have the Resident Evil Merchant kind of comes into the studio.

It's, you know, it's kind of a regular feature of

the show.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

She listens to the show.

Okay, okay.

Sometimes

he's in our house.

Oh, God.

Sometimes he comes over.

I use

the wet room.

The wet room?

The wet room.

You mean the bathroom?

Huh?

That's what he calls it.

That sucks.

That's an air.

That's disgusting.

A bathroom implies that there's a bath.

Yeah.

Yeah, well, yeah.

But if there's just like a hose,

it's a wet room.

So you're talking about just like outside.

You're in the yard with a hose.

And you're calling the wet room?

No, it's a...

It's out back behind the garage.

Got it.

There's a wet room.

You guys don't have this.

I just, I just want to go.

You keep all short mower in there.

You keep a shelf.

Okay, so sort of a shelf.

You push the hose into our shack.

Into your garden.

And he calls it the wet room.

Oh, boy.

Yeah, that seems like a big pain in the ass.

It's hot in there in the summer.

Yeah, spiders, too.

Stinks.

How much is that to you, honestly?

Well, I mean, I'm...

Nick, don't be rude.

Yeah, so I'm sorry.

That was inappropriate.

I'm sorry.

That was an inappropriate thing.

Such a good job several weeks ago.

Yeah, no, you've been doing great for us.

I've been on point.

We love you.

We're lucky to have you.

Resident Evil Merchant doesn't have to be over here catching strays.

What the hell?

I love to catch a stray.

You gotta cover your little guy.

You're starting to sound like the aforementioned Alf.

Who's that?

Oh, he's an alien.

No, it's an acronym for alien life form.

No, not real.

It was a fictional character from a unlike you, who was real.

He's a fictional character from a

TV show.

Oh, okay.

He was a puppet and he was an alien and he loved to eat cats.

Oh, God.

That guy's fucked up.

Yeah, Alf is pretty messed up.

He's a really crazy guy when you stop and think about it.

Probably the strangest individual you could think of, Alf.

He's got that nose, right?

Now I'm remembering.

Yeah, kind of a famous, like, kind of long nose.

I forgot what it looked like for a second, and then you gestured, and then I got it.

Yeah.

It's kind of gonzo-adjacent, but not exactly.

Yeah.

It kind of looks like a thick worm.

Why'd they let him on television?

I mean, if you have the raw charisma and star power of Alf, you're gonna put this guy on TV.

Maybe he's in Scientology.

Yeah, I think he must be a Scientologist.

Yeah, they like aliens.

Yeah, they do.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, you know what?

Now it all makes sense.

Yeah, they were getting pretty high concept with the 80s and 90s sitcom.

No, you think there's a show in like

me

working at a deli

and I'm like, and

it's like, like,

and the characters come in and they, and we make small talk.

I mean, yeah, that's like, that's, that's a show.

That could be a show.

Would be a show that becomes popular that people watch.

That's up, you know, nobody watches regular TV the way they used to.

I think people, yeah, might be befuddled by what, watching that and just trying to understand exactly.

Like, this seems a little asynchronous, the Resident Evil merchant I know from the horror movie franchise in a deli.

We should ask Heather what she thinks about the show.

I mean, I think that, like, any show can be a show.

It all comes down to the writing.

Like, any concept is stupid.

Yeah.

So, I don't know, Resident Evil Merchant.

I think you could have a show.

You think so?

Yeah, I think that would be...

I don't know.

I think I'd like to see a show.

That starred somebody so visually upsetting in a regular environment.

Right.

No, right.

Okay.

Well,

I don't want to stick around and waste your time so I gotta ask you Matt why you laughing

I just like it I just like it

it's generous of you you to be conscious of our taking clocks

I just I want to keep things rolling especially since you've got a guest so Matt Abadaka what are you playing well

to continue my conversation our conversation from last week where we were we were we were talking about animal well that's right we did a whole episode about animal Well, we've all been playing.

I've continued to play Animal Well, we did it.

Well, hold on a second.

Okay, because this game fucked me up.

This game made me feel crazy.

This, like,

we, none of us had finished it, and we were pretty spoiler-light on the previous thing.

I'm requesting permission to maybe spoil something, and then people want to skip ahead.

They can skip ahead until when they hear the next person talk.

I maybe don't want to be spoiled.

You maybe want to be spoiled.

Okay.

Nick's still playing.

Nick's still playing.

This is what I'm going to say, though.

Yeah.

This is documented.

Because you've also, we should say, you have 33 hours in the game.

Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick.

No, I have credits.

I have 39 hours.

39 hours in the game.

33 hours last year.

39 hours.

You've rolled credits.

I've rolled credits twice.

I have 20 of 20 achievements.

Okay.

I've never done this.

Yeah.

You've platinumed it.

If there was a platinum trophy in the Steam ecosystem, I would have achieved that.

Yes.

This game, there's so much going on.

You roll credits,

you can still play it,

there's still stuff to do, yeah.

Because you know, through traversing, you're finding secret stuff.

You know, by the time you finish the you rolled first credits that you didn't find all the secret stuff, right?

And that's sort of the second part of the whole thing: you're finding more secret stuff, you have more modes of finding secret stuff, um,

and that's fine, that's okay.

I did this, I did all that.

I found all the eggs.

I got all the tools.

I'm happy with that.

I got a second set of credits, right?

There's more still.

Yeah.

And I don't know if I got it in me to do that because

glancing ahead at a guide, it looks like you have to be an absolute sicko, a sick freak,

a beautiful mind almost.

Sure.

Because there's some ARG stuff.

You're one of those things.

I might be one.

Wait, there's ARG stuff for the game.

You have to like.

You have to go online and look at clues.

There's a puzzle that you can't, that you have one piece for.

Every game has one piece of it.

Every game?

Every game has a piece of it.

So other people have the other piece of it.

Other people have different pieces.

Oh, that's awesome.

And there's 50 pieces.

So you have to get 50 people to tell you what their piece is to do it.

That one,

I don't know, 50 people playing this.

I'm not going to go talk to a bunch of strangers on the internet.

I'll probably look up,

use a guide for that one if I end up doing that.

Pop in a Discord, maybe.

You know what?

I'll pop in a Discord.

Why not?

But then there's other stuff that I looked up that I was like, I don't know how you would ever figure this out.

And I don't know to what end it's for.

I haven't gotten that far.

Yeah.

Because there's like

you have to be like a code breaker, like somebody that knows patterns and

symbology to figure out some of these things.

And I'm just like, and I know I was reading

a little bit of back and forth with Billy Basso on Reddit, I think.

And he was like, Yeah, I guess I wasn't expecting people to find all this stuff so quickly, but

a lot of it's been found, but not still not everything has been found.

And there's a lot of stuff that people are like, I found this and this, and this is all crazy stuff.

I think I might have to tap out because I do feel

sick.

Like I feel like

my brain feels scratchy and

I've been just thinking about it nonstop and I've been playing it in all of my spare time.

And

I really do feel like

I got two endings.

The second ending is considered the true ending because Billy Basso doesn't didn't think

people would get to the third one

And that's crazy to me.

That's wild.

And I'm fascinated by this guy.

I'd like to

hear him talk about it for a long time.

And

I'll probably buy the physical copy.

That's great.

I loved it.

That's great.

It's good to love something.

It's awesome.

It's amazing.

I really loved it.

If you haven't played it yet, I recommend it.

Incredible game.

Everyone, like I said last week, everyone who loves games should play it.

Yeah.

I texted you guys over the weekend that I got something and i was maybe being hyperbolic yeah because it it has its you i found an item that i was like this changed the whole game and it did in some cases but it has as limited use cases as some of the other items do you know you're not going to use the there's not one item that's going to get you through all of it yes um and that was honestly a lot of fun figuring out when to use an item and things like that

really really great just great stuff um but that's it for me i have to play something else uh billy basso who i I read the clip, the solo dev that you mentioned behind this game, but I read the excerpt last week on the podcast, but I looked it up again.

It's just like, yeah,

the quote begins from his blog.

I'm consciously designing the game to have multiple layers and then list four different layers.

The first two are the two that you've experienced, the part where you 100% the game and get the two ending.

The third layer will include far more obscure puzzles whose existence will be unknown to most.

I expect the internet will need to collaborate a bit to solve these, or they might not solve them.

Then, finally, the fourth layer will be secrets that only I know.

So, I wonder how far into the fourth layer the internet's collective hive mind has gotten.

I feel

like I'm freaking, what's his name from inception?

Leonardo DiCaprio.

And there's a freaking.

Wasn't his name in the movie like real dumb?

Like,

like Bill Plutt?

It's like it's like full triple or something.

I can't remember what it's called.

I love that movie.

I can't remember what it is.

I'm at,

I'm living my life, and Animal Well is my spinning top right now.

Wow.

Wow.

You seem passionate and traumatized.

I sort of do feel like

I don't want like.

You have like the thousand-yard stare a little bit.

I was sort of like, do I even share this?

It felt so like, because last week on the show, I had 17 hours.

And then cut to today, I have 39.1.

That's

a lot of fun.

sickening.

That's sickening.

That's more hours than I ever

can put into Fortnite in a week.

That's great.

DiCaprio's character,

it's so cool.

DiCaprio's character in Inception is named Cobb.

That's it.

Cobb.

Cobb.

Bill Plutt.

John Cobb.

Mr.

Corner.

That's it for me.

Wow.

I love it.

That's cool.

All right, Nick.

What are you playing?

Resident Evil Merchant, I am continuing to play Animal Well, but I decided to give Appodaka the floor since he has so thoroughly

just delved into that game.

Instead, I'm going to talk about Paper Mario the Thousand Year Door, which is 20 years old, released in 2004 for the GameCube.

And yeah, I know that the slow decay of time is maddening.

Anyway, so this week...

The remaster is releasing.

It will be out by the time this episode is.

We're recording it the day before it's out.

So unfortunately, I have not gotten hands-on, but it is getting excellent reviews for its visuals and quality life improvements.

And I just really love this game.

It's the best Mario RPG that includes Super Mario RPG, which a lot of people

really love.

And I understand, and that game is great, but I just think this is like the perfection of this sort of format.

The turn-based combat with the active button presses for

enhancing damage and absorbing attacks.

The art direct is awesome.

The characters are like all have this 2D sort of paperweight to them.

The environments are cardboard, and it also affects gameplay because Paper Mario himself can fold himself into a plane, you know, or roll into a tube that can be blown around, that sort of shit.

It also has a presentational element, which some of the Marios have where there's like an audience that's watching during combat that can,

you know, affects things a little bit.

But it's also just loaded with personality.

It's a game that had a really strong

script and then the localization was just great and just like absolutely conveyed all the charm that was inherent to it.

You know, you have these party members, like a sea captain Babom, and an actress ghost, and

Lady Goomba.

And

meanwhile, while all this is happening, while you're playing through the game, you keep encountering Luigi, and Luigi is going on this parallel adventure that he communicates just through dialogue.

And it's a great running gag where he just talks about like he went to the Waffle Kingdom and he negotiated the release of Princess Eclair.

You know, he's just like, he has all like this extremely elaborate lore that goes on and on and on.

And you don't see any of it.

You're just hearing about it secondhand.

It's really fun.

But also between chapters, there's these interstitials where there's you're controlling Peach and Peach is interacting with a computer, and that's its own thing.

But then there's also like you play as Bowser just plowing through Mario platforming levels, which is kind of fun in a power fantasy sort of way.

You know, there's no difficulty at all this game.

This is just a trivial.

a trivial game to play through.

It's designed so kids can play through it.

And it also, the final act, in my memory, has a world-spanning fetch quest, which I kind of was like, almost made me not finish at the time.

I'm not sure if that is a thing that's been removed as part of these quality of life improvements.

I will find out, but it is just such a cool game.

And I'm so glad Nintendo is giving it proper remasters to its library.

I'm so glad this game in particular is apparently getting a really, really proper release.

So, that's that's what I wanted to shout out.

Paper Mario, the thousand-year door.

Heather,

what are you playing?

Um,

so I've been Hades-pilled.

Uh, I love it.

I uh have not stopped playing Hades.

I've beaten Hades himself.

Oh, yeah.

And I was a little bit like,

I liked post-Hades that, you know, the game's old, so I don't know if these are spoilers or not, but I like the post-Hades dialogue you have and then the reveal that the game continues.

Yes.

But I felt like the

impetus to continue was a little thin.

Like, I was like, okay, I'll go see what's changed.

I'll go see what's different.

And there's additional

difficulty settings that you, then you toggle when you enter.

The heat levels.

Yeah, the heat levels, when you enter into the dungeon again.

And I was like,

I, that wasn't, it wasn't enough for me to be like, oh, I think I'm going to keep going after Hades with these heat levels so I can unlock bonuses.

Like, I felt like I did a bunch of work to get gems and

purple stones, all that shit, to upgrade myself enough that I could defeat Hades.

And I think it was the second time I'd reached him.

And there wasn't like a, there's like a, a feeling in,

say, Vampire Survivor where you become so overpowered that you're like, let's fucking go.

I'm just a barrage of nothing.

Like, I'm nonsense bullets.

And

my runs after I beat Hades felt really thin.

They felt like there weren't any power-ups happening and there weren't any gems happening.

And I was just like, I'm just getting a bunch of keys.

There's not really a lot of options.

I don't need gold.

And it just didn't, it wasn't satisfying in the same way that the initial run was.

So I don't know that I'm going to continue with it, but I am happy to have beaten Hades himself.

When you say you beaten Hades himself, you mean you beat the final boss, hey, the titular Hades, you knocked him out one time.

Yeah.

Got it.

Because I think there is,

I'd be interested, you know, whether you continue with it or not.

I will say that like, I think the narrative really unpacks in a, in a fascinating and worthwhile way.

If you beat it, you have to beat him 10 times and then you get to the ending.

What the fuck?

But you get like, but you get more, there's more and more of the story that's coming out each time.

And I think all those subsequent runs, whether you adjust the heat levels or not, it's just like you know, you're finding new ways to play depending on the boons that you're accessible to you or not.

Um, it's interesting compared to Vampire Survivors, which I think was a game that you didn't really respond to.

Um, but like, this has a much higher difficulty level than Vampire Survivors, which is just kind of like a walk-around game.

But I, I guess, I expected once you mat, like, once you master a technique or something, yeah, usually you feel like there's that the satisfying moment where you feel godlike.

and in a game where you were playing as godlike characters I was expecting the post-game what I thought was the post-game content to be a little bit more like either super fucking difficult or super fucking easy and it was neither of those things and what's more it felt less rewarding like less tangibly rewarding in the drops that were happening in my subsequent runs through the dungeon.

I'd be interested to see if if you change opinions at all, if you continue with it.

Because

I do, again,

and I don't know how much you're responding to the story or not.

The story doesn't matter me at all.

Well, that might be part of the issue because I think part of what kept me going is like I keep going through and more and more the stories unfold.

Oh, yeah.

No, I skip all that shit.

But I will say, because the story is great and the level of

the quality of writing and voice acting is so.

Oh, yeah.

No, it's gorgeous voice acting and seems like good writing.

Like, I don't mean to be dismissive of all the work that was put into it, but I'm there for the combat.

Yeah.

And I'm like, yeah, let's fucking go.

It's a game that infinite combat possibilities and randomized enemies.

That's my shit.

So I was just like, oh, it's like more talking.

Yeah, no, I mean, the narrative drive is part of, I think, what propels people to keep going.

But I also think like it, you can jack up those heat levels to the point where it will be, the difficulty will be pretty punishing, even for you.

Yeah, no, yeah, no.

Well, I, yeah, made, I made that happen.

And I expected, here's what, here's what I guess I'm not expressing.

I thought that there was going to be an equivalent exchange.

Like, holy shit, you threw so many difficulty levels at yourself that now you're going to get power-ups that make that difficulty level equal to.

Yeah, that like that you start, you start bouncing back and forth.

Like, if you can get past this first few rooms, then you're going to unlock a new kind of lightning.

And that lightning is going to be visually astonishing while also making you feel super powerful, taking on these super powerful enemies.

But instead, it was like,

it just means that these guys are armored.

Like, that's it.

Like, they're armored?

That's not fair.

I mean, if you're me, that's really hard.

It just makes it take longer.

It takes a long time.

It does.

It's really hard.

It does.

I love the combat engine that game.

It's one of my favorite games of all time.

So I'll naturally be defensive of it.

But, but I'm glad you had some fun with it.

No, I mean, like, obviously, I bounced off it the first time.

And then once we played it again, I was like, oh, fuck.

I get it now.

I'm in.

So I don't mean to be dismissive towards the game or speak about it in a derogatory way.

And I think that it is a great game.

And now I am super excited for the sequel.

I'm just talking through my own frustrations post-beating Hades, which I thought was going to be a bigger deal.

Yeah.

Well, because, well, also, because you have not beaten Hades.

Why is he saying like that?

You beat Hades the character one time, but to be beating Hades the game is its own thing.

You have to.

Wait, what?

So.

yeah, what you have not

to beat it 10 times in order to beat the game, yeah, in order to see the credit to roll credits.

That's crazy, isn't that crazy?

I've never done it, so I mean, it's like it's not fine.

I'm gonna fucking, I'm gonna come back in and say that I beat it 10 times, and I think it's 10 times.

You have to beat it a number of times, and it's 10 times.

There's a lot of times to beat that game, I think, nine additional times after the first time.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I don't know, that's why he's Hades.

You also get, but also, I think, think part of the iterative process of it is just get faster at knocking out runs.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I can pretty consistently get to Hades,

but Hades, he's got hands.

He's good.

He's a tough guy.

Got a couple of forms.

Okay.

He's no joke.

But

I'm glad you have fun with it.

I'll keep going.

I'll keep going.

I get shamed into it.

No one's shaming you.

Just give me some more context.

I should have never shared this couch.

You chose that.

You chose your couch.

Now sit on it.

Mary,

are you playing anything?

Are you playing games or maybe you got a music that you're playing lately?

You could be playing anything.

It doesn't have to be a game.

Yeah, I think using the play-in

term pretty broadly.

Or maybe you've seen a play.

I have seen a play.

What?

I saw a play with Heather.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

It's called Fat Ham.

It's really good.

We saw that play.

That's fine.

It was amazing.

I've been really into

Catan Cities and Nights lately.

Like sort of obsessively trying to get people to come over and play Catan Cities and Nights with us.

The board game.

Absolutely.

The board game.

Settlers of Catan.

Mostly because I'm very, very good at it and I can

I can beat Heather.

It's true.

It's true.

I've

beat fucking, yeah.

I get shit floored or whatever you say.

Shit floors shit floored?

Huh?

Shithoused?

Shithouse.

Floor only.

Shit floor is fine too.

You get floor shat.

It's fun.

It scratches

an itch in my brain where you have to think like 10 steps ahead.

So I've been playing that.

A lot of crossword puzzles.

That's true.

We love doing that Sunday New York Times.

Sunday New York Times.

Is that a collab?

Yeah.

It is.

It is.

You hunch over one crossword.

We do.

We do.

We play it

on our phone on the app, but we are not nearly as good as

our friend Courtney.

Yep.

Because

they time you on the app, and we have not yet, our two minds have not yet beat her one mind

at getting the highest or fastest time.

And the truth is, it's more like 1.25 minds because Mary just like flies through the answers.

And then once in a while, I'll be like, oh, that's the answer to that one's NASA.

Or like maybe there'll be like a Wario clue.

Yeah.

And I'll be like, oh, that's Wario.

Yeah, anything science or that's your, that's your zone.

That's your zone.

Well, on team Jeopardy.

Yeah, that's what I've been playing.

I guess we played a little overcooked for a while.

Oh, yes, that's true.

That's true.

That was really fun.

Also with our friend Courtney.

Yep.

Overcooked is really interesting because I feel like it brings out your

sort of like your

zodiac sign a little bit.

Like what kind of personality style are you?

And I'm someone who really, really likes to have a plan going into overcooked and like know, like I want to like talk before we go into the gameplay and be like, okay, this is what you're doing.

And this is what I'm doing.

And you're doing the dishes.

And then this is how we do it.

And

my lovely wife, who is like an improv comedian, is just like, no, let's just get in there.

Let's just like go.

Let's see what happens.

Yeah.

And then we play with our friend Courtney, who is kind of like, okay, we, we did it.

We got like a one star.

So let's go on to the next level.

And I'm like, no, we didn't get three stars.

Like, you can't move on until you get three stars.

And so we

stopped playing.

Because I like rules.

I like stress and I like rules.

And I think that I was, I was, it was more like work, but I also like work.

And so I was turning it into work.

And I think for the other two,

it was a little less fun.

I was having a good time.

I was having a lot of fun.

Thanks, honey.

It's true.

I like being told you're going to wash dishes.

And I'm like, all right, I can do that.

That's easy.

I love that.

It's good to know what the rules are so that you know how to break the rules.

The rules are important.

Is that true?

Are you asking me?

I feel like that's like you like to know what the rules are so you can know the sandbox that you can play in and then break maybe break a rule or two here.

Yeah, yeah.

You don't, you don't break the rules when we're playing overcooked.

Well, you can't.

You can't break the rules because then you you fail

task

I also love rules.

Yeah,

big rules games

with me

I feel like I picked the wrong couch

We're on like the coolest the cool couch, I think.

Yeah, yeah, yeah

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Mary, my understanding is that you've not played the games at all.

Zero percent.

Wow.

And Matt, what's your Fallout game experience?

I own Fallout 4, and I've played maybe like three hours of Fallout 4, like when it came out.

Yeah.

And then that was kind of it for me.

So just kind of maybe generally familiar with the world, but like haven't really dipped into it.

Yeah.

And I think at that time, like when Fallout 4 came out, I was excited to try it because I was like, oh, that's a new type of game I've never really tried to play before.

And it was immediately too overwhelming

and like just I couldn't get into it.

But now it feels like the type of game that I would absolutely like sink my teeth into and really like.

I've played,

I played Fallout 1 and 2 back in the day.

Those are actually the Fallout games I've played the most, the original two isometric interplay games.

And I also played Fallout 3.

I played some of New Vegas, but I bounced off of it, even though everyone's like, that's the one to play, the Obsidian-developed kind of side story game.

And I never messed around with Fallout 4 or

with Fallout 76.

Fallout Shelter, the mobile game, I played some.

That's just really fun because it's just like another...

Whatever.

It's one of those mobile games, but it's just like

the way it kind of expands the world and

plays around with that Vault Boy aesthetic is fun.

Somebody I work with who doesn't play video games

overheard me and a couple other coworkers talking about Fallout the TV show.

And she goes, Fallout, Fallout, like Fallout Vault, the Vault game on my phone.

And I found out that that is her only exposure to Fallout.

Wow.

And that she loves the Fallout Vault app game.

It's pretty fun.

I love this information.

Yeah.

Either were you with the Fallout franchise?

Well, Fallout 3 was one of my

first

jobs as a video game journalist.

I flew out to Bethesda for this like big unveiling event and I had no idea what Fallout was.

Some games journalist I was.

And so the lights go down and they premiered the trailer for us for the first time in the whole world.

And the room went absolutely batshit.

And I was just like, huh, this looks fun.

This was this post-apocalypse.

This looks like a lot of fun.

Um,

so I felt really connected to it, like, because of that strange intimacy that I had.

They also gave us a bunch of gear, and I was very broke.

I went home and immediately put all that gear on eBay and wish that I hadn't.

It's like, it was like Pip Boy stuff and like Nuka-Colas and all this.

Anyway, um, so I played and finished Fallout 3.

Uh, I played and I don't think finished Fallout New Vegas.

And then, sort of, the series sort of slipped away from me because I feel like

the next one that came out, I only heard negative reviews about.

And I don't know if there's been a reassessment of it, but what I remember with Fallout 4 was a lot of people were like, it's much more like of a shooter than an RPG.

And that was like, and also a lot of the Fallout 76 initial reaction was pretty negative to that game.

So like, yeah, they're both just kind of stayaways for me.

But I don't know.

Again, like the same experience as Matt is like, I'm kind of more interested in messing around with maybe Fallout 4 now.

I mean, 76.

Definitely.

My favorite thing about the game was the VATS system.

Yeah.

Which allowed you to freeze gameplay, select a body part of the enemy that you were facing, and then unload whatever weapon you wanted while targeting that body part.

And often, if you would do critical damage, that body part would explode.

And I feel like one of my favorite nods to that is how often body parts explode in the Fallout TV show.

Yeah,

this is what I could maybe say going back to the Fallout

series,

which we're going to be talking about specifically today.

It really does an amazing job, maybe honestly, better than any of these adaptations in terms of retaining the charm of the game world and translating it to the screen.

Like, I'm just like, I'm so impressed by how much it feels like the Fallout franchise, just, you know, just in this more straightforward narrative form but yeah things like the vault suits the vault boy mascot is all over the place the pit boys that you mentioned the stim packs all that shit is just so well integrated and so well realized yeah yeah it feels it it also is like surprising that watching this show you're like they've managed to make all of this crazy bullshit make sense and be digestible in a way that's never off-putting yeah i thought before we went into fallout the show i was like there's no fucking way this is going to work.

It's going to be corny or it's going to be like

too weird or it's going to look like shit.

And none of those things happened.

Like, they, they, they take stim packs in the TV show and you don't blink.

You're not like, you're not like, what?

You're just like, oh, I guess that's how they fix shit.

Yeah, that's how that works.

And it actually,

it makes enough sense and it ends up being, you know, a narrative element at times.

And also, like, you were just saying, like you were just talking about, it looks expensive and it is expensive as far as I know.

It was shot on film.

It looks incredible.

It's just like just the production value is sky high.

It is so crazy to me that they shot it on film.

Like it's just like they won unheard of today.

They don't really do TV shows on a film like that.

And it's just like such a huge budget show.

And

I love it.

I love to hear stuff like that because it's just like, I love it.

So Mary, okay, so you're a noob to the Fallout franchise.

You're not familiar with it at all.

You're watching this series and you're loving it.

Like, why does it connect with you so strongly?

Um, it's just like the tone was so

my speed.

It's like, it's first of all, it's like incredibly well plotted, um, but it was like this, like, it's like kitschy and fun, but dark.

And I, I just like immediately connected to it.

Heather was like, I, I kind of need to watch this for maybe the podcast.

And so she put it it on.

And then I was like kind of doing something else in the background.

And then it ended up just being like, totally drew my attention.

And then every day I was like, oh, we've got to watch, we've got to watch Fallout.

So I, I think it was like, it was the tone.

I love,

um, I've worked with a couple of folks who, who worked on this show.

Um, Greg Nicotero's company in particular, who did all of the like, um

the like uh he did all the monsters for my show his company does all the stuff for The Walking Dead.

And I just think he has like this really cool, particular aesthetic to like the creatures that is, um,

like, it's just so unique, but it's fun.

It's fun.

It's not just like gross.

It's like, there's like a, a, a, a, a fun and a playfulness

to it that I think is really, really cool.

And it's just charming.

The show is just charming in tone.

And so I was, I was drawn to that as well.

it was beautiful an amazing cast walton goggins is like so perfect like he's i mean he's he's an icon he's so good in everything yeah and uh i just i i i love to i just love to watch him cook because you always know he's having a blast and then he's like he seems like a he's just i don't know like in this he plays the ghoul and the ghoul is like a or there's ghouls in fallout he's a ghoul yeah uh and ghouls in fallout are like, I guess, radioactive, basically.

Yeah, radioactive mutants.

So he's been around for

200 years.

And

he's every time he's on screen, I'm so excited.

I'm like, this is going to be crazy.

He's just so good.

But also, like, his character was very well developed, too.

Like, that's the other thing about the show is that it could have just been like.

splash and trash and instead like they really went into character development in such a cool way yeah so i think that was also part of it that scratched a particular itch for me it was just it was wildly well done good arcs across the board good arcs across the board yeah i don't know how heavy of a hand jonathan nolan had uh you know as an ep in in terms of shaping the overall story but it is interesting you know also being uh from westworld how it like it's the same sort of structure of Ed Harris's character.

You've kind of got these two different timelines that you're shifting between.

And there's a different actor who plays young Ed Harrison, that one, and that's eventually a reveal.

But like that is like,

that one gets very nebulous and abstract.

And at times you have hard, I have a hard time following, at least, at least, you know, me as an idiot watching it, versus, you know, I did not find that super satisfying, but this execution is like so, so well done.

Yeah.

And it's like trickling out the right amount of information each way.

And then there's like a really like pretty genuinely startling reveal in the final episode in terms of how just watching like, oh, how did this, this, how did character from in point in timeline A turn into character in timeline B and in terms of how that was all trickled out.

Yeah.

I thought that's all awesome.

We were so enthusiastic about the show that after we finished, we opened up my Fallout cookbook and made

some casserole from the Fallout cookbook.

It was really good.

Yeah.

Two, we've now made two recipes from that Fallout cookbook.

One is chicken noodle soup, which is an excellent chicken noodle soup recipe.

It's our like go-to chicken noodle soup recipe now.

It's the fallout chicken noodle.

The fallout chicken noodle soup.

What makes it a fallout chicken noodle soup?

Well, it's in the fallout cookbook.

Got it.

Okay.

Yeah, yeah.

I think with all of these

with all of these

sort of

video gamey RPG cookbooks, it's usually a thing that already exists with a slightly different seasoning or coloring to it.

Yeah.

And with this, I think the soup has like

just slightly different seasoning than you'd expect.

And it's a good chicken noodle soup as a result.

I think it's like paprika and like

it's a little spicy.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's good.

It's good.

The other thing I think this show does really well in terms of translating

the games is just how grimy and nasty the world is.

Like you talked about like it's like it's got this kind of retro futurism to it, which is obviously a big part of Fallout.

It's like, what if there actually was nuclear war in the 50s and we had a different sort of,

you know,

the tomorrow land future was what we were headed towards.

And now we're kind of locked in that timeline.

But like, it's also just fucking disgusting.

Like it's a, it's a nasty, violent, like awful world.

And so things like, you know, Ella Pernell's finger being cut off and then a corpse's finger being reattached is fucking nasty.

John Daly's fucking chickens.

The thing that.

it's such a perfect daily character, too.

It's so funny.

Well, and then there's the Johnny Pemberton thing, his character Thaddeus, when he's talking about his history, like growing up on a fly farm, and he says, I was a shitter.

That's all we're talking about.

He's like, that's like my favorite joke on the whole show.

And it's also so fucking gross.

That was really great on it, too.

Like, I mean, so many funny people on it, but like, yeah.

Oh, the

gun in the mouth is probably my favorite joke on the show.

Yeah, they walk up to a guy who's just like out to the bottom.

I feel like the success of Fallout the show,

and I'm sure these things are like, are

synchronized, you know, between these major brands far in advance.

But

the enthusiasm in the Fallout community or Fortnite community over Fallout coming to Fortnite, I think wouldn't have transpired in the same way if this series was, if this series sucked or it had disappeared so like quickly.

And instead, people have been talking about Fallout for the last few months in a way that it hasn't been present in the pop culture conversation.

So the fact that it's now arriving in Fortnite, it's like, oh, right, yeah, Power Armor is going to be in Fortnite.

That's fucking awesome.

Yeah, like the last big time Fallout was in the Zeitgeist prior to this was Fallout 76 when it launched and everyone was just kind of like, oh, this thing's not really, you know, this isn't real, this is kind of half baked.

And then I think they ultimately updated it and it's, it's pretty, pretty fun and playable now.

i mean i haven't really investigated that's my understanding um but like yeah this is such a huge and incredible uh injection of life into the the franchise and um

uh you know obviously we've already talked about it but like like how it's it's boosted the sales of the back catalog as all of these yeah like fallout four was like number one on the playstation store and it's like what that doesn't that That only happens when one of these major TV shows comes out and is a super hit, like when Last of Us came out and Last of Us sales went back through the roof, like it's it's cool to see.

Can I take a to just to ask a more general like thought on this?

What are movies?

Can they see me?

Here's here's my more general thought about like just apocalypse fiction, which seems so resonant right now.

Yeah.

And this one I think is just like such a great because it's it's just so narrowly focused on on capitalism, just you know, completely, like the logical endpoint of capitalism, which is the destruction of

humanity for the survival of the economic system.

But there's like this fantasy element, obviously, to apocalypse fiction, which is like when we regress to a structureless world that all of this kind of...

you know, all, yes, we'll have problems, but all of our extremely unfun problems, all of our divides by, you know, ethnicity and religion are going to be dispensed because it'll be just sort of like a uh more just like stronger like like survival of the fit is sort of more primal way of living

no i agree that's that's that's the optimism that but anyway but this current period of apocalypse fiction kind of like ignores all that right it's just sort of like we're just kind of kind of having the fun of of that reality even if it gets does get grimy and violent um but anyway what it would my my my rambling thought what i want to center on specifically with this

is

in our current era of apocalypse fiction we are kind of like doing like this this period apocalypse fiction specifically, where like we see this with all three of these, these, these video game adaptations, the Last of Us, Twisted Metal,

Fallout, where they're all locked in a period of time that's prior to ours, where it's just like now the apocalypse fantasy reached a point where it's just like.

We don't even want to be locked in our current present.

Like we don't, we don't, we want to

fantasize that like a different reality happened where our reality was destroyed in the past and that that set us on a completely different path.

I would argue though that that Last of Us is an outlier there because

when the game came out, Last of Us was happening in the present.

Like it was set the month that the first game came out.

And I think they've been locked into that timeline because

of the nature of setting that as the canonical beginning of The Last of Us.

Whereas now it's like

when the first game says like 20 years later

and it cuts to 2028 or whatever, now we have almost arrived at that moment here in reality.

But when the game came out, that wasn't the case.

And it wasn't 2028.

I don't know the actual date, but that's a 20-year gap.

It's like 2013 to

2033 or something like that.

But that's why the

technology in The Last of Us is locked in 2013.

And there are PlayStation 3s under every television.

It's just because that was the canonical beginning of the game.

Whereas these other ones, Twisted Metal or Fallout, those do feel more like like fantasy apocalyptic rather than like

What if the world ended on this day and then we in the present continued moving forward in the real world?

Right, which is the traditional way of like doing one of these apocalyptic things.

Yeah, it's like this is the time it comes out where that's the apocalyptic event.

Right.

It's also why I think in the Planet of the Apes movies, their canonical beginning is also when the first movie comes out.

Like

dawn of the planet of the apes or whatever.

Rise of of the planet of the apes rise of the planet

of these new ones yeah the titles are confusing the one with caesar yes yes do you think that they just didn't update the last of us for television to to fit this current time period because they were trying to be true to the game and like serve the fan base of the games like you know what i mean that's a good question they didn't they change the timeline slightly yeah they did slightly they moved it up a little bit maybe just for production reasons but i don't i don't know when they they changed it it's very slight yeah i don't remember either there

yeah ultimately it wasn't like they said it in the future future yeah it's not like oh shit oh ellie these these used to be flying cars

not like that it's one of them comic book uh data pads you used to love what year what year is it in the in the first in the pilot in the pilot what wait what year is it in the last of us tv show in the pilot correct That I don't know.

Neither do I.

Yeah, I'm trying to look.

I was trying to remember

if there were cell phones.

I don't remember.

I don't know.

That's why I was wondering, because sometimes I think like cell phones really change plot.

Yes.

You know what I mean?

And so I was wondering, maybe they didn't update it because they didn't want cell phones.

Which is, it's always wild to me that cell phones change plot so much when any film could start with somebody being like, ugh, fucking grid is down.

Right.

Like, how crazy is this?

Like, do you have cell phone service?

Not today.

Because, like, here in Los Angeles, we didn't have internet for 48 hours where I lived.

And it was like a local neighborhood

Brown well, where we lived.

And, and, and it was like, what?

What the fuck is happening?

You just know internet for two days.

Oh, you mean just recently?

Yeah.

Yeah.

We didn't know what to do.

We were living in the dark ages.

Yeah.

We played a lot of Catan.

We listened to records and we played katan and it felt awesome that's better than what i did i sat on the couch and looked at my phone

and i kept refreshing uh my browser on my phone to see if i was still in an outage

um so in the last of us tv show the first thing we actually see is in 1968 but then uh it takes place the event takes place in 2003 they so they made it earlier than it was in the game so that in uh 20 years after the event it's 2023 the year that that the show came out.

Okay.

Gotcha.

Cool, cool.

Yeah.

Gotcha.

But yeah, Fallout takes place in a time that never existed in the past

and the future of that time.

Yes.

Yes, it's like 2077, I think, is when the

I think it's around that is when the show itself starts.

But yeah, it's basically.

Which is also the year that Blade Runner 2 takes place, right?

Blade Runner 2077?

But that's Cyberpunk.

Oh, 2049.

Maybe that's why I said 2077.

Maybe it's not 2077.

There's too many 20s.

There's just too many numbers.

And I don't want to do numbers anymore.

Yeah, we should put a cap on numbers.

It is 2077.

It's 1, 2, and 3 only.

In Fallout.

It is 2077.

So 2077 in Fallout, 2077 in Cyberpunk.

2049 in Blade Runner, 2019 in Blade Runner 1.

2023 in The Last of Us television show.

2020.

Right now, too many numbers.

Here's the actual, sorry, here's the actual timeline.

The Great War takes place in 2077.

The series is set in 2296.

So, yeah, that's after everyone has been in the vaults for five generations.

So, 2077 in Fallout is as if the 1950s had just progressed

in the same aesthetic for almost 125 years.

We have robots and really nice black and white TVs.

Yeah.

We're talking about how well they adapted it and stuff.

This is a good, it's a good enough premise that

it kind of does make sense that it made a good TV show.

There's a lot of things that they could have done to make it to make it bad or, you know, not make sense.

You know, to me, like, vaults where people don't know exactly what the truth of what's going on is happening

is good.

That's like interesting.

That's an interesting enough thing to like, I don't know, propel a story forward, I think.

It made Heather's dad really think deeply.

Yeah, my dad watched the show because Mary and I suggested it to my mom and dad.

Pretty much anything we like, we kind of pass on to Heather's parents.

And sometimes they'll be like, Oh, we love this.

And sometimes they'll be like, I don't know.

It's not for us.

But they loved Fallout.

Yeah, yeah.

And my dad was like, I want to talk to you about like some things I've been thinking about after an incredibly long text.

Yeah,

after the Fallout finale.

Wow.

And it's basically,

what do I think I've been thinking about about what people need in order to survive as a species and ultimately whether or not we can be trusted to take care of ourselves without destroying.

Basically, he, I think he watched the vaults and was like, that might be the way.

Is that a good idea?

Yeah.

Would this work?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

If you just like obfuscated the truth from a large enough group of people and kept them sealed,

would you create peace?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, that was, it all came from like a outgrowth of 1950s, like bomb shelter, like hysteria, right?

Like, you know, and, and yeah, all the, like, like what you're talking about, like, a lot of the stuff all goes back to the first game.

And it's just like,

yes, you're right.

That all that stuff is inherent to the world that's been created and is so

well realized here.

I don't know.

I mean, it's, it's, it's really great.

It's a really, it's genuinely funny.

It's got great action.

It's like you were saying, Mary, it's, it's really well plotted and the cast is stacked.

It's just just a really fun adventure through this uh through this this hell

shockingly funny yeah laugh out loud funny yes which even the violence like you know like we're talking about people's heads getting crushed by a metal hand very nasty looking i was laughing my ass out that's so gross when when they are putting the uh the the the guy's got his like foot shot up And they put the boot on his foot.

Oh, God.

And then it grinds up his foot.

Johnny Pimberton.

Yeah, it grinds up his foot until it turns it into like a

temporary

prosthetic.

And he's like, oh, God.

Oh, my God.

Before it happens.

And then later, Pemberton sitting in like a,

he takes off his boot, and doesn't he say, like, oh, no, I'm going to die.

Such a stacked cast.

Yeah, I don't know how they get away with like having a dog be locked in a cooler and the audience not just turning the TV off.

You know, it's just like, and it's more than there's, that's a second dog violence.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because like also the ghoul stabs a dog.

Yeah.

And then you're expected to like arc your way into Viking hit.

Yeah, we were really playing with magic.

Yeah.

And then there also, there was that earlier sequence where Michael Emerson's character is in charge of like

making the dogs or something or like finding the good dogs.

And if the dog isn't good, they're just thrown in an insane.

My mom has three dogs.

She's a big dog person.

She texted me.

She's like, I think I'm out on this.

And then I was like, just keep watching it.

It gets good.

And I think then she did.

I think maybe she did get to the second dog thing.

I was like, I can't do this anymore.

We haven't really gotten into spoiler country.

Is there anything worth that we should delve into?

Or I don't know.

I don't know how much we need to talk about the

specifics of it.

I don't know that

I would definitely don't want to spoil the show for people

because it's super fun and well-written enough that there are things that are revealed that are spoilers.

Yeah.

I will say this is not really a spoiler.

For some reason watching.

I think Kyle McLaughlin gives a really good performance in this show, and I haven't really seen a lot of his work.

I only know some of his work, you know, where he's playing like Kyle McLaughlin on Portlandia or something.

So he's like kind of we, I know his work post-him becoming a meme, kind of.

Sure.

And watching him in this, I was like, this motherfucker's good.

He's really, he's really, really good.

Yeah, he's a good actor and really well cast.

And I must bring it up again.

I feel like I've read it up before.

My middle name is Kyle.

And it's because my mom named me after Kyle McLaughlin.

Really?

Wait, that's true?

That's true.

You brought that up before.

I feel like I brought it up before.

I don't remember hearing this.

My mom.

My mom mom watched episode one of Twin Peaks.

Like, it came out in, like, she watched, like, she's seen all of Twin Peaks.

She loved Twin Peaks from the jungle.

Yeah.

She was just like, you know, she was

20, 21 years old.

Not the dox by Bob.

And watching Twin Peaks while pregnant with me.

And she's like, that guy's great.

I'm naming, I'm giving his middle name.

That's Kyle.

That's so sweet.

And I was, if I ever meet him, I'm going to tell him that story.

And hopefully he likes it.

That's a sweet story.

That's a really sweet story.

You have a twin.

Is his middle name also Kyle?

His middle name's McLaughlin.

She loves this guy.

I watched a video by, so Tim Kane, who was one of the co-creators

who made Fallout in the 90s.

He has a YouTube channel that's really interesting.

It's got a lot of like, just him talking about game development and his perspective on various things.

But he talks, he has a, he did an old video about his, uh, he got invited to the premiere by Todd Howard of Bethesda.

And I guess it's like one of those things where, you know, the IP was sold to Bethesda 20 years ago.

He hasn't really been involved in the series since then.

I think there was maybe at the time some bitterness over that severance because it's kind of like my baby is being taken from me, but it's a thing he's, he's made peace with and he's continued to work in the industry and make his own stuff.

He was one of the directors or maybe the director of The Outer Worlds from Obsidian, which was a game I really enjoyed.

But anyway, he got invited to the premiere and it's interesting just to hear him talk in a way that's like, that has zero bitterness or resentful, like, like, you know,

there are a lot of people I feel like would maybe have like, and maybe a lot of it is just how he's been handled.

But like, I think there were a lot of people who would be like, hey, I created this thing.

It turned into this billion dollar IP and now I have no involvement in it and I'm going to be mad about it.

But he seems to just be like genuinely excited that other people are taking it different places.

And he was was like really happy with how the show turned out.

And he's really excited by the experience of being at the premiere.

That's cool.

And you know, I don't know.

It's just, it's just interesting to have someone kind of like have a sanguine sort of attitude towards all of that.

Yeah, that is really cool.

That is nice.

You saying, Severance, I have to bring up.

Yeah.

Zach Cherry.

Oh, yeah.

Is so funny in everything.

I'm such a big fan of his.

Me too.

That's great.

Has one of the funniest things in the show, I think.

And it's in the first episode where

the.

this.

I'll spoil this because this is all from the first episode.

Yeah.

There are

people who infiltrate one of the vaults that shouldn't be there.

They're called Raiders.

The Raiders are shooting up the place, and it's fucking crazy.

Everybody's going crazy in there, but they're doing this wedding.

So they're like about to wheel out like a big jello dessert or something.

And he's like, get that out of here.

The people behind him just get shot.

It's so funny.

He's great.

He's so funny.

Zach's a very, very talented actor, a great dude, and also a huge Baldur's Gate 3 fan.

You would show up.

You would know.

You would know.

Like, Nick is hive-minded to all the people who like Baldur's Gate 3.

That Nick and Zach have an illicit parasite in their head.

They can communicate to each other.

No, he's playing honor, but the dude's into it.

Um, yeah, I don't know.

It's, it's, it's, it's really great.

And I think also, I, I, I will, I will also just say, I think there may be some, maybe this is, maybe you don't even need to address this, but like, yeah, we do know of people involved both on the show and behind the scenes.

And I like,

but we don't have any agenda in being nice to something just for that sake.

Like, if we didn't like the show, we just wouldn't talk about it.

We're doing it.

We're actually good.

Yeah.

We actually genuinely liked it.

We don't get anything out of this.

or like elon musk showing up at the party being like

put me in fallout like that's us

i will make a plea i would love to be a guy that just gets killed immediately in a nasty way that's all that's the the other part of the apocalypse fiction is is both like I would be one of the thousands who survive instead of one of the billions who are vaporized, but then also that like among the survivors, I'd be one of the people who would like figure out how to stay in it, you know?

And I guess that's part of

what the appeal of the games is.

I think

all of us would die immediately.

We're in L.A.

You die immediately.

I'd have a chain around my neck, but I'd survive.

Hey, it's that guy from Doll Boys.

Get it!

Make us laugh!

Make it funny!

Do it funny!

But he's like doing a whole thing where he's pretending to run away.

He's going really slow.

Eight prince and tell us jokes about it.

No, they're going to get me.

Anything we missed?

Ranch,

have you watched the show?

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

What did you think?

I really liked it.

I hadn't heard of it before the show.

Did you say you were going to maybe play Fallout?

Were you talking about maybe doing that?

I don't know if I mentioned this, but I did download Fallout 4.

Okay.

And then I spent an hour on character creation making myself look like me and then my boyfriend him.

Yeah.

And then within the first five minutes, he gets killed.

And I'm playing after that.

Sorry, Mark.

Heartbroken.

I remember we talked about this before, but yeah.

What fun.

What a fun show.

It was a fun show.

It was a good show.

I'm looking forward to the second season.

Yeah, me too.

And you know,

usually when we do like a we play, you play, we do a reu crew.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Hello, kid.

That thing.

I have some reu crews about the Fallout TV series.

Oh, wait.

It's time for the Ryu crew.

Hello, Ken.

And, you know, I don't typically do this.

I'm just going to shout out our mods real quick.

Mods in our Discord, discord.gg slash get played.

Make it a nice, fun place.

We got three comments from mods.

I'm just going to read these real quick.

From Drop King.

Loved it.

Glad it referenced lots of things from the game, but ultimately forged its own path with a new story.

Very excited excited for season two and hopefully some energy weapons

and surrett writes the rare video game adaptation that tells an original story and absolutely sticks to landing agreed and ted cord says absolutely loved it i thought picking a game like fallout where the characters from the games aren't really that important allowed them to have a visual language already made already made for them that they could use while not feeling beholden to a specific story eight out of ten very fun show while to watch while carrying a decapitated head around the wasteland.

Yeah,

that's another just element of grime we already touched on, but just like having the MacGuffin be a severed head.

Yeah, but also they just rotate.

Yeah,

it girls walked

so gross.

Really, really nasty.

But that

this next one is from Met Black85.

Hi, Met Black.

And they write, as someone who has played over 1,100 hours in Fallout 4 alone,

I'm so glad they kept it gritty and stayed true to the sense of humor of the games.

Now that we've gotten through so much of the the world building setup, I'm excited to see where the plot heads.

What are my favorite, one of my top few favorite shows of the year?

Mostly just relieved they didn't fuck it up like the wheel of time.

Slam.

Oh boy.

Shots fired at Amazon's Wheel of Time.

You know what I'm going to say?

Yeah.

I'm done with the binge.

Put it out.

I'm done with this.

Put it weekly.

Everything I've heard from, and Mary, maybe you have a perspective on this, but like, I feel like everyone who makes TV prefers things to be released weekly or really, like, not released all in one, in one shot.

Yeah, I mean, I think everyone who makes it prefers that.

I think the networks pretty much like to put it out all in one show.

Yeah, yeah.

It's a very bingeable show.

I mean, it is a bingea show.

But, like, yeah,

it is kind of cooler that it could stay in the zeitgeist a little bit longer.

It's something that looks released weekly, though.

Yeah.

I like the model that I've started to see happen where there's like

the first three come out together

so that you get like a little bit of a arc at the beginning which I think uh helps you engage with the show and want to keep watching like week to week yeah I think that's a nice little meet in the middle compromise because I think the networks worry people just drop off

um but yeah I'm I'm I'm with you because like it would still be you probably would have aired the finale by now if it had come you know if it had been weekly since it dropped on Amazon Prime people would still be talking about it yeah people People are talking about it because it says Zeitgeist Good.

I feel like we could be having a great

conversation.

Yeah, more of an event.

I remember I pitched an idea for when my show Monster Land was coming out that you do it all in a week, that a new episode drops every day and you create a week of horror so that it feels more event-like.

But yeah, networks turned into the bingable.

Well,

sorry to get political.

This next one is from JJ, JJ, JJ, JJ.

How many is that?

Eight?

It's eight.

We're done with numbers here.

I don't know if you heard.

Nick, I swear to God, we're not just saying numbers.

I'm going to count it.

I'm going to say a couple more numbers, actually, unfortunately.

Yeah.

It's eight J's, and there's four sets of two J's.

I watched four or five episodes, and not sure I'll finish it.

It's been an interesting test of my acceptance of violence in different media.

Do I like it?

Do I like when I shoot a villain's limbs off in Fallout 4?

Damn straight.

Do I like seeing the same limbs mangled in a TV show?

Not really.

It's not realistically similar to the game, but hits me in a more negative way.

That's interesting.

Yeah, it is.

Well, it may be just also something of just like seeing a human being, seeing an actor, as opposed to like a, you know, even a pretty realistic character model.

Oh, no, I'm going to die.

This next one is from E.

Mitch.

E.

Mitch writes, almost a masterclass in how to adapt a property.

Using the already huge game universe to start a unique story, throwing in a lot of little details as nods to understanding of the source, and using actors to tell a total unique and interesting story.

I went in with a very little expectation and came out wanting to play Fallout 3 and 4 all over again.

Yeah, I think that's the biggest...

testimony to the show's success is that I wanted to play Fallout.

Yes.

Like I was like, ah, I got to play more Fallout.

Yeah.

I installed it and I downloaded the new patch that apparently makes it bad.

But I'm excited to get in there and

see what's going on.

And finally, Jarp writes.

Jarp.

Jarp.

Love the show.

My favorite part is Lucy being a lead female character that's capable, likable, and not infallible.

Maximus took me a few episodes before I realized, oh, he's just dumb and I love him for it.

Walton Goggins gets another head on his Mount Rushmore of Great TV characters next to Uncle Baby Billy and Boyd Crowder.

The script is tight and almost no screen time is wasted.

The video game style violence is done really well.

I only wish there was even more gross shit in it because I love gross shit.

Same, nice, same, ditto.

Thanks, Jarp.

And thanks, everybody who wrote in.

And I guess that about wraps us up.

What did you say, Nick?

I would say that, Matt.

What the fuck is happening?

What was that?

Do y'all know?

I don't know what to say.

I'll just try it.

What was that?

I don't know.

It was Matt tossing me an alley oop and me slamming it through the hoop.

That's what that is.

That's called professionalism, is what it is.

Okay.

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Mary Laws.

Thanks so much for being here.

Thanks, Mary Laws.

Always a hoot.

Anything you'd like to plug?

Sure.

Working on

numbers.

No.

Any more?

Yeah, currently working on a series I'm really excited about

for Hulu

about Amanda Knox, just got announced in the trade.

Oh, wow.

Coming out sometime next year to be determined, but stay tuned.

I think it'll be a lot of

fun.

Fun.

Fun.

Yeah.

No,

it's great.

It's been a hell of a ride.

I know a lot about

the Italian legal system that I didn't think I would ever

ever know.

Turns out.

Turns out

ACAB in all countries.

I was going to say.

Turns out in Italy, they try trials with spaghetti and pizza.

Am I right, guys?

Yeah, I was trying to figure out how to do the same thing, unfortunately.

We sent it you to a one-meat ball.

This whole courtroom's outente.

No, that's terrible.

That's terrible.

We can't say that.

None of that's true.

I'm your prostico.

Prostic chuto.

Ah, silly.

Silly, yeah.

She.

Hey, Nick, you got blade.

That was a head gun podcast.

And we're back live during a flex alert.

Oh, we're pre-cooling before 4 p.m., folks.

And that's the end of the third.

Time to send it back to 78 from 4 to 9 p.m.

What a performance by Team California.

The power is ours.