Vanity & Updated Modesty | Girls Gone Bible

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Speaker 1 A little bit. A little bit, right? Are we filming? Are you filming this?

Speaker 1 Alright.

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Speaker 1 Tell each other names.

Speaker 1 So for this episode of Vanity, I brought makeup wipes. We're taking it all off.

Speaker 1 That was good. Putting our hair in a sleek bag bun.
Yeah, that's what the people want, huh? Hey, Kate.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Oh, since I'm not... Since I don't care what Vanity is.
Yeah, I just let this stuff in.

Speaker 1 I bet I get a good idea, right? Uh-huh. Is it in the tooth?

Speaker 1 The tooth.

Speaker 1 God, you look so beautiful. You look like a princess for summer.
I'm actually not kidding. I do.
You look like a summery angel. No, I I definitely didn't yesterday.
I am.

Speaker 1 I looked like I was...

Speaker 1 So.

Speaker 1 So hot for me, John Viengie.

Speaker 1 I like you, Emma.

Speaker 1 I like you. You look like me.
I know, I looked like I was in the Chilean gang.

Speaker 1 Is that right?

Speaker 1 Is it not?

Speaker 1 Can I walk?

Speaker 1 Okay, so for today's episode of Vanity, um

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's what they say. Hey, can you guys can you guys come in just bear? And all I could think about was when you me and you wake up in the morning and we look like axe murderers with our limbs.

Speaker 1 We look like actual murders.

Speaker 1 Actually, I do want to speak to that. I want everyone to everyone who's like, if you guys were really if you love Jesus so much, then don't wear any makeup on the podcast.
You don't want that.

Speaker 1 I'm telling you, these are studio lights. If we come in here with no makeup, we will look like we have beady little eyes.

Speaker 1 I'm just kidding, we're so pretty.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 we look like this when we wake up in the morning.

Speaker 1 Guys, we're definitely gonna find us now, we haven't

Speaker 1 got to my future husband. This is exactly what I look like when I wake up in the morning every single day, lashes and all.
I actually have permanent falsies.

Speaker 1 Oh my gosh,

Speaker 1 are they gonna hear any of that? They will, right? Are you sure?

Speaker 1 Are you filming me? She's sh.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 shocks. Do we have a map?

Speaker 1 Shoot the messenger. Shoot the messenger.
What a good segue.

Speaker 1 Is that what a segue is? Huh? No. What is it? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's, what's that word that you said? Oh, I am an angel. Inevitably.

Speaker 1 You are an angel. What was your name one more time? Thomas.
Louise Jerome?

Speaker 1 Who picked on me? Louise Jerome? Yeah. Louise Jerome, if you're watching this, you're about to get it.

Speaker 1 She picked on me. Thank you, Thomas.
Louise, oh, that was a girl. I thought it was a guy.
You thought a guy picked on me? I don't know, Louise. You know, the guys aren't picking on me.

Speaker 1 I'm just kidding. You're so modest.

Speaker 1 I'm making on both.

Speaker 1 You know what I'm laughing about though, last night?

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Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 I was like, okay, Shmariella.

Speaker 1 Anyways, hey, guys, I am Ari. I'm sorry, let me do that over here.
Oh, sure. Hey, guys, I'm.

Speaker 1 I'm scared of food.

Speaker 1 He said I was stupid.

Speaker 1 You wonder why we're single?

Speaker 1 What guy would ever watch a fucking and be like, oh, that's who I want?

Speaker 1 We have made ourselves

Speaker 1 absolutely ridiculous, clinically insane.

Speaker 1 We have made ourselves insane.

Speaker 1 You were thinking that? Because they had me thinking those nuts.

Speaker 1 i'm sorry you guys i'm sorry

Speaker 1 guys the only way to get through life is to laugh at your pain

Speaker 1 by the way

Speaker 1 the only way to get through life is to laugh at your pain yeah

Speaker 1 yeah speaking of that let's try to have a little fun today

Speaker 1 for the love of god no crying today

Speaker 1 Everyone thinks I'm ugly.

Speaker 1 We keep doing that because Ari and I make fun of ourselves. Every time we see ourselves crying on the podcast, we always go,

Speaker 1 I picture that meme of Kim Kardashian, and I'm like, that's how we look like.

Speaker 1 Literally.

Speaker 1 People tag me in stories, and I want to repost it because I love them and I like want to repost, but then it'll have me crying and talk. So I'll just add music over it so no one can hear it.

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Speaker 1 Like we say, come as you are, just don't stay that way.

Speaker 1 I

Speaker 1 you guys,

Speaker 1 we're so happy.

Speaker 1 Thank you, Jesus. I don't know if you guys have been praying for our joy or if people have been praying for us, but we are so

Speaker 1 much better.

Speaker 1 It just feels like I can laugh again. There's just something lifted off.
I don't know what's going on, but thank you, Jesus. Hallelujah.
Truly. Truly.

Speaker 1 today we're talking about

Speaker 1 vanity and we want to do an updated modesty episode where we just talk about everything to do with vanity modesty looks appearance we kind of spoke a little bit about it in the body image episode but I think that there's just more to it and we could really zone in on just what it means to be what beauty means and like what God thinks about when he thinks about our outward appearance and what the Bible says

Speaker 1 about vanity.

Speaker 1 You know, it's so funny. I don't know.
This is so awful. I almost wish we could sit together.
Do you want me to come over there? No, because we have opposite sides. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 I always give up my album. Hey, that's a good thing about vanity.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 We, oh, so Ari and I know that God put us together for a reason because we have opposite good sides and so it works.

Speaker 1 Whenever we have a guest, I don't know if you guys have ever seen me over there, but I want you to know that I give up my good side every single time when I sit over there.

Speaker 1 Honestly, like, well, because you offer it sometimes. You're like, it's okay, you did it last time.
And I'm like, you know what? No, because I need to. You never offer it.
I've never.

Speaker 1 I'm sure I'll be pissed.

Speaker 1 She knows I'll give her an attitude the whole day. I don't want to do that.

Speaker 1 You can have it. The Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines vanity as inflated pride in oneself or one's appearance or something that is vain, empty, or valueless.

Speaker 1 People who are vain are normally self-absorbed, selfish, and prideful. So vanity isn't just about your looks, although that is a major component of it.
It is an inflated pride in yourself.

Speaker 1 So it could be in your achievements, in your accolades, in your wisdom and knowledge. And like it could just be, it just like comes down to pride, really.

Speaker 1 But a lot of it does have to do with be having vanity about your looks um yeah

Speaker 1 so i'll just read this little thing from ecclesiastes really quick it is this is

Speaker 1 solomon speaking Solomon had everything. He had riches, he had wisdom, he had power.

Speaker 1 And you will see in this,

Speaker 1 in this verse, in this passage, that Solomon came to the conclusion that

Speaker 1 all of this is empty, it means nothing. And he's come to this point in his life where he's actually backslid in the faith so much that he's questioning the existence of God.

Speaker 1 And you'll see that when he doesn't have God in his life, no matter all that he has, it all means nothing to him. It's all empty.
And so the whole book of

Speaker 1 Ecclesiastes is. I would have called it Elastic.

Speaker 1 Like a year ago. Not now.

Speaker 1 It's a book. It's like one of the most, they call it just like the most pessimistic scripture, book of scripture, because it is so sad.

Speaker 1 And it's not till the very end that Solomon actually comes to the conclusion of why he feels the way that he does. But this passage is called, Everything is Meaningless.
It's Ecclesiastes chapter 1.

Speaker 1 Everything is meaningless, says the teacher, completely meaningless. What do people get for all their hard work under the sun? Generations come and generations go, but the earth never changes.

Speaker 1 The sun rises and the sun sets, then hurries around to rise again. The wind blows south and then turns north.
Around and around it goes, blowing in circles.

Speaker 1 Rivers run into the sea, but the sea is never full. Then the water returns again to the rivers and flows out again to the sea.
Everything is wearisome beyond description.

Speaker 1 No matter how much we see, we are never satisfied. No matter how much we hear, we are not content.

Speaker 1 History merely repeats itself. It has all been done before.
Nothing new under the sun is truly new. Sometimes people say, here's something new, but actually it is old.
Nothing is ever truly new.

Speaker 1 We don't remember what happened in the past, and in future generations, no one will remember what we are doing now.

Speaker 1 So this first part, everything is meaningless, completely meaningless, in another translation, it says, Vanity of vanities, says the preacher, vanity of vanities, all is vanity.

Speaker 1 and so he's thinking he's basically speaking to the fact that everything is meaningless because at this point he doesn't have god in his life so that's his perspective on life and i think it just goes so well with the fact that when we speak about vanity today and thinking about our appearance and thinking about the things that aren't of god

Speaker 1 we will find ourselves time and time again.

Speaker 1 And I know that we all know this, but it's such a good reminder that if you don't have Jesus at the center of everything you do, it is valueless, it is empty, it is fleeting, it is futile, and you will simply never be satisfied, you will never be fulfilled, and that is just the absolute truth of it.

Speaker 1 Oh, yes.

Speaker 1 When did you have a story about

Speaker 1 what it what do you

Speaker 1 say your most

Speaker 1 like what would you compare your vanity to?

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Speaker 1 I said it on here before, but back in the day, I used to be obsessed with taking photos of myself.

Speaker 1 It's weird because I wasn't vain in the sense that if I was like with somebody or with friends or just like in the presence of somebody else, like my focus was never on myself.

Speaker 1 It was never on my looks. It was always on the person and being present in the moment.
And so I didn't put so much value into my looks.

Speaker 1 And at the same time, I put so much value into into my appearance yeah I used to take photos of myself all the time

Speaker 1 I had many many photos of myself I used to post on my Instagram story photos of myself and videos of myself all day long I mean it's like really all I did I was obsessed with the validation that I got from people saying nice things about my looks

Speaker 1 and then Over time, this is such a massive area that God has worked in in me that I no longer truly, from the bottom of my heart,

Speaker 1 feel

Speaker 1 anything when people validate my looks.

Speaker 1 And it's simply not something that I think about the way that I used to. Again,

Speaker 1 clearly put effort into my appearance, clearly care about hair, nails, makeup. I think it's fun.
I'm a girl, and I will never not take care of myself. There's nothing wrong with that.
I will never.

Speaker 1 That's a beautiful thing. Yeah, this is the body that God gave me.

Speaker 1 What are you both? I'm so sorry. You guys have to watch one of our first videos on modesty.

Speaker 1 We had lost our minds, and Angela's sitting there, and she is trying to convince everyone why she gets her nails done. She goes, I mean, I have to get my nails done.
I like, what did you say? I get,

Speaker 1 I said, I said,

Speaker 1 I was really overcome. It was the beginning where people's comments were getting to me so much.

Speaker 1 And I was like, you guys, like, I pick up my things and they bleed and I I struggle I gotta get my nails done I gotta get my nails done otherwise I have to wear band-aids and literally Ari goes hey it's okay you can

Speaker 1 stand

Speaker 1 you don't have to stand up for yourself but keep going um no he's changed he's changed me he's truly from the bottom of my heart he has changed me from the inside out I don't put emphasis on the way that I look anymore.

Speaker 1 I, I can't say I never take photos, but I will say I I take a photo once in a blue moon.

Speaker 1 The only reason I really ever take have somebody else take a photo of me is if other people around me are taking photos and it reminds me that like social media is a thing and this is something we should do.

Speaker 1 I never post on, I rarely post on my personal Instagram anymore and people ask me all the time, why aren't you trying to grow your insights?

Speaker 1 And I'm just like, I'm, first of all, I don't, I don't care. Yeah.
I don't care. I post on Girls Gone Bible all day long because that's what I care about.

Speaker 1 I care about the ministry and I care about the community.

Speaker 1 And this might sound like we're just coming on saying things that we have to, but this is genuinely the absolute truth that God has

Speaker 1 stripped the vanity away from me. Like everything, just anything, just the idea of thinking about myself so much is gone.
Well, even like

Speaker 1 for ourselves, but I think you and I used to do it for men. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think that's why, like,

Speaker 1 you know, i did you like we used to have to kind of have this sex appeal because that's how we thought people the people would want us yeah let's talk about sex appeal um it's gone it's gone i want you heard it here person we're not ashamed to say that there was a point in time where having sex appeal was a very important thing sex sells in our world that we live in and to not be sexy is like a really bad thing That is something.

Speaker 1 And I think it's so sweet and I love it. And from the bottom of my heart, and I mean this, I can't believe that there was ever a time that being sexy was a priority for me.
I don't want to be sexy.

Speaker 1 It was a priority for us.

Speaker 1 I don't want anyone looking at me like that. I don't want any, do you know what it feels like for the first time in my life that men don't objectify me?

Speaker 1 Maybe they do behind my back, but like to From my understanding, I am never in a position where men look at me for one thing.

Speaker 1 I don't experience that anymore. And it is so freeing and it feels so good.

Speaker 1 And I think back to a time where every man that I met looked at me in a very particular way for a very certain thing, no matter who it was. And nobody.
And now you're respected. Respected.

Speaker 1 Nobody looks at me like that. We were saying it the other day.
Sometimes we take photos with people and like our model friends will be like working the camera and we're on the end like

Speaker 1 i look like legit spongebob in photos net never god really god really did something i he took he took a girl that did my eyes and my photos i didn't even know how to be anything but that i truly even if i tried man i i don't i don't have that but it comes from living in in holiness living in purity and then once we started doing that walk it was like it was gone it was like the eyes, we look different.

Speaker 1 I don't even know who that was when I look at old photos.

Speaker 1 I get so freaked out when I see that girl. It breaks my heart when I see photos of like just the my essence, my very essence.
Purity is a natural response to being close to Jesus. It really is.

Speaker 1 And that's why we say purity is not just not having sex. Purity is your heart posture.

Speaker 1 It's the state of your heart. It's the condition of your heart.
And so for us, yes, not having sex has a lot to do with it, but not watching things that will evoke a certain emotion.

Speaker 1 Music is so integral for me. If I listen to music that has like any sort of something, I feel myself like resorting back to that.
I can't.

Speaker 1 They played Bad Bunny on my house, and I was like, I don't like the way this feels. I, you know, I can't listen to that stuff.
I can't. I really can't.

Speaker 1 Yeah, when you're, when it's, it's, it's really weird. And you don't even, even for us now,

Speaker 1 literally, like when they say he will change the desires of your heart, it's true. The way,

Speaker 1 and it's, it's, I never thought that we'd be able to live in this purity and this, in this holiness of not even wanting it. And actually, like, I, I, I can't even look that way.
Makes me happy.

Speaker 1 It's weird how the disease, but then we love new things. And I never thought I would, I would enjoy these kinds of things that in living in holiness I just yeah

Speaker 1 so what is your journey with vanity and just looks and appearance

Speaker 1 so you know

Speaker 1 I was

Speaker 1 I was in the entertainment industry modeling I was constantly judged constantly compared I was all about my looks it's all i thought it's all i knew it's it's it's it's

Speaker 1 i mean 12 years old i'm wearing 10 pounds of makeup in school. It was crazy.

Speaker 1 But the thing is, is that,

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 I want to say this because I want you guys to understand something because we do get a lot of comments of being like, why does she have so, why are you wearing makeup? And why are you wearing this?

Speaker 1 And I see people bashing each other on social media. Let me tell you something.
I wore so much makeup. as a kid because I didn't like myself.
So I thought, okay, let's put on more makeup.

Speaker 1 Maybe if I do my hair blonder, maybe if I wear a short, shorter skirt, that will make me feel loved. That will make me feel more beautiful.
And I never felt good.

Speaker 1 And so when I, when you guys, I would just encourage you guys, be careful what you're saying online because people don't feel good in there and they don't feel pretty.

Speaker 1 And so they feel like they have to dress a certain way. They feel like they have to wear so much makeup.
You know, you see people getting surgeries and all this stuff.

Speaker 1 It's not because they're bad or because they're,

Speaker 1 you know vain and obsessed with how they look that's what i mean it's not it has a lot of the times they're so broken inside they keep doing things and doing things to try to make themselves feel good and they're just really broken inside i know that was the case i'm telling you right now i never saw myself i had legitimate imposter syndrome you you give me a compliment i'm looking at you like what are you talking about no i'm not pretty no i'm not nice no i'm not good i never i never had self-worth.

Speaker 1 I really didn't. And so that was the beauty of finding Jesus.
And I was telling you the other night, he really did something in my heart where,

Speaker 1 listen, sometimes, yes, I actually do, I do still deal with insecurities. I do.
It's something that I'm still working through. I still, you know,

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 You know me, like, I still go through things with insecurities, but I don't make it my life anymore I don't he literally did a work in my heart I just I just don't care but it is I have to check myself every day I do I have seen the most massive transformation with you like truthfully when I first met you I remember like if you you we would always joke that you had hair dismor like your hair is your life

Speaker 1 and granted like i understand because it's the best hair i've ever seen but like if you felt like you had a bad hair day i wouldn't leave leave. It could genuinely ruin your entire day.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 1 It could send you into, if you didn't like your hair, like on an episode, it could send you, like, you were gone, like, no longer listening to whatever you're saying, but it's all you could see.

Speaker 1 I know. And, and you would also, remember you said something about like fixating, like you would, and it was all you would see.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, do you want to say it? No, no, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, and I remember, and you would also like have this thing, and it was your OCD that would flare up too, is that you would see something on your face or in your or something that like nobody else would see and then you would hyper focus on it and and you would make it this big big thing and God has worked so much in you it is the most like it's it's beautiful to see God working in your own life and then it's like almost even more evidence to see it in somebody else's life yeah because now I see that you can notice things that maybe you don't love or you're not happy with and you're able to just let it go and that's what that's what combating vanity is it doesn't mean that you don't care at all about what you look like but you don't let it get in the way of the mission that God has you on no you know and I realize what really makes me feel good and it's your inner heart it's your inner soul it's it's it's just it's doing things to glorify him it's doing things for others and I know I said it in the last episode but that's truly beauty.

Speaker 1 I mean, I think it's a beautiful thing to want to feel good. I love to feel good.
We love to do things to upkeep. And we're women.
And honestly,

Speaker 1 can you blame us women? I mean, what society has done, think about women.

Speaker 1 Since we're kids, we're trained to look good, to get compliments. And that's the enemy feeds off that.
Where we go to the mall and we see Victoria's Secret models and makeup. And

Speaker 1 I mean, it's the biggest industry in the world.

Speaker 1 We're taught from such a young age to hate ourselves. That's right.
To benefit like big companies. That's right.
And then for men, look at what do men have to do. They have to have high-paying jobs.

Speaker 1 They have to be super successful. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 So that's a stress for them. And then for us, we have to look good and be, and then we date men.
And then

Speaker 1 we're living in L.A.

Speaker 1 and God forbid, you know, whatever, they go for someone younger. I mean, it's a whole, it's the enemy.
That's where he attacks us.

Speaker 1 It's truly, I think about the, you know, how the enemy, Satan has already always had the same schemes. It's always lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh, and the pride of life.

Speaker 1 Lust of the eyes is a major thing. What's appealing to the eye? What looks good, and that's how he gets us through temptation.

Speaker 1 And then also the pride of life, and like what is, what can I acquire, what can I gain, what can I, all of these things.

Speaker 1 And it's like for women, a lot of the time, we're so focused on our looks, and for men, they're so focused on their accolades and the things that they can acquire and the money that they can make.

Speaker 1 And so we, and they can both coincide and mix up as well and we can take from that and they can take from this but it's just like

Speaker 1 and it's not that you completely have to get rid of all of these things I really truly believe like God literally used Esther and her beauty in the Bible He strategically placed her in a position from using her beauty, utilizing that beauty to save his people.

Speaker 1 And he did that from her beauty. I would argue, and I believe in my heart that God uses beauty.
I know he does.

Speaker 1 I know that I will never forget back in the day, I was at Mosaic, and I, it was very early on in my journey, and I heard a pastor say, like, use your spiritual gifts, whatever it may be, teaching, cooking, cleaning, whatever it is, use it in the name of the Lord our God.

Speaker 1 And he said, if your gift is singing, sing your heart out. If your gift is writing, write your heart out.

Speaker 1 If you're beautiful and people will look at you for just a second longer, use that for the gospel and for the sake of Jesus.

Speaker 1 And so these are all, I don't think the Bible doesn't tell us that we have to be ugly. The Bible just tells us what to prioritize.
And that's our relationship with Jesus. That's right.
That's right.

Speaker 1 And if, and like you said, you can feel good, but you don't prioritize, you don't make that your life. You don't idolize it.
I idolized it.

Speaker 1 And you guys have to be easy on people because, again, you're looking at people and you say, God, she's so vain. Look at all she's doing.
Look at all the makeup she's wearing.

Speaker 1 No, it's because we, they don't feel well. Be careful what you're commenting on on people's pictures.
Be careful what you're saying behind

Speaker 1 people's back. God can hear that, by the way, and that's a sin.
You don't do that. You don't gossip and make fun of people.
People are going through a lot. They're hurting.

Speaker 1 You have to understand that. I grew up so hurt.
I grew up just broken. It went back to when I was a little girl.
Like, people grow up in really broken homes and they don't feel good.

Speaker 1 They grow up from little girls to little boys to adults and they carry the trauma when they're older. And then they feel like they have to do this and this to look good.

Speaker 1 They have to work really good jobs. They have to drive nice cars when really they're empty inside.
Imagine that.

Speaker 1 So think about that next time you're sitting there judging someone or gossiping behind their back. We need to really have compassion for these people and yourself.
It's so true.

Speaker 1 Have some compassion for yourself. It's okay.
It's okay. I just,

Speaker 1 I, the, the one thing that I just really, I, I really change about myself is

Speaker 1 anytime I catch myself, both of us actually, I've noticed this within the both of us. We're like, oh God, no, never mind.
I, Jesus loves me. Everything's good.

Speaker 1 Like, you start saying that out loud, start speaking really good about yourself. It changes.
It changes everything. Yeah.
Negativity just brings you down.

Speaker 1 You'll start looking in the mirror and you'll start seeing someone someone different.

Speaker 1 I would look like, you know how you were telling me how you would look in the mirror and you know that's not what you would see.

Speaker 1 I couldn't have related that to that more. When I would look into the mirror, I was like, who is that? Oh, oh, sometimes I even still will have a perception.

Speaker 1 If I'm not feeling good, if something's not right within my heart, I'll look at myself and I'll be like, who?

Speaker 1 I hate that.

Speaker 1 I hate what I see. I hate that.
And then I'll sometimes, it's the weirdest thing.

Speaker 1 I'll take a photo of, I've done this so many times where I'll take a photo of myself, just like a quick selfie during a time that I absolutely hate what I look like. And I'm so,

Speaker 1 I'm like having a mental breakdown of being like, this is ugly. Who is this?

Speaker 1 And then I'll go back weeks later and I'll be like, I look so cute. I know.
I look fine. I know.
What did I see? It's the weirdest thing. It is so insane.
I know.

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Speaker 1 Just the way that he's opened my eyes.

Speaker 1 My struggle with vanity isn't so much that I'm like so obsessed with the way that I look, it's more so the provocativeness and the look in the eyes and just the way in which I presented myself that he has torn down.

Speaker 1 And it makes me so uncomfortable to even think about somebody looking at me like that.

Speaker 1 And I really mean it, and I know it's so lame but like I really think about my husband and I'm like he is the only one from the bottom of my heart that I ever want to look at me like that I know until then I belong to Jesus and my body belongs to Jesus and I don't want anyone looking at me like that that is so beautiful vanity too can come from working and we have to touch on that because it's it's it's a real thing and work and trying to be successful i get it it's all i could think about.

Speaker 1 Even a year and a half ago,

Speaker 1 all my focus was, how can I get to the, how can I make it? What can I do? What can I do?

Speaker 1 And you literally, if all you do is focus on work, you are going to be, you think, I don't even know if lost is the word. You are going to be

Speaker 1 done for.

Speaker 1 If all you're worried about is work. That is not all there is to life.
I know that we need to make a living.

Speaker 1 I know how important work is, but you cannot make it your

Speaker 1 sole focus. I don't care if you have to work at 8 a.m.

Speaker 1 You get up at 5 a.m. and make time for Jesus.
You have to.

Speaker 1 You have to, or you are going to be walking aimlessly through life, confused, broken, and just...

Speaker 1 You're going to experience burnout. It's not sustainable.
Everything is fleeting. Every single thing in this life is fleeting.
The root of many evils is money.

Speaker 1 That doesn't doesn't mean that money is inherently evil. It means that the things that the desire and the love for money will produce are evil.

Speaker 1 And so when you put everything that you have into money and making a living, you will be so on. We talk about vanity of all vanities, emptiness, emptiness.
That's what we vanity is emptiness.

Speaker 1 Focusing so much on money and making a living is so empty. You will never be happy.
That's why some of the richest people in the world, like we say it all the time, are the most miserable.

Speaker 1 And accumulating all of these things. I heard it said before that it's like when you're

Speaker 1 in high school, you're stressed out because you just can't wait to graduate.

Speaker 1 And then when you graduate and you're in college, you just can't wait to get through college because you can't wait to graduate.

Speaker 1 And then when you're done with college, you're so stressed out because you need a job. And then when you have that job, you're stressed out because you need a promotion.

Speaker 1 Do you understand the toxic cycle that happens with anything in life? That's why putting your identity in anything other than Jesus is absolutely, it's a bottomless pit.

Speaker 1 It is sand instead of a solid ground to place your identity in.

Speaker 1 We need a rock to put our identity in and to put value in and to put all of all of what we have, all of our love, all of our focus must go in Jesus.

Speaker 1 It's the only thing that can't be taken away from us.

Speaker 1 Our career will be to can and most likely if you make an idol of it, God forbid, will be taken away because either God will do it or the devil will do it because the devil will know that'll destroy you.

Speaker 1 God will probably do it because he loves you and he wants to strip you of all of that.

Speaker 1 Put your identity in your looks we're all gonna get old one day no don't let yourself go yes work out take care of yourself god I know, I literally used to say it all the time.

Speaker 1 I would be like, I'm getting cute for Jesus on a Sunday. Like, and I know that's like a little silly, but it's true.
God wants us to show up.

Speaker 1 It literally says in the Bible that when you're fasting, wash your face and get yourself and put yourself together because that matters to God.

Speaker 1 Can I please read just out of Genesis chapter two really quick? It's very obvious that God is a a creative God and he loves his creation and he didn't just build,

Speaker 1 he didn't just create one type of tree. He created many different types of trees.
Not just one flower, so many different types of flowers.

Speaker 1 He literally has planted all these beautiful plants and trees and all of these things throughout the earth so that we can look at, you look at the sunset. God loves beauty.

Speaker 1 He wouldn't have made things as beautiful as he did if he didn't care about it. Then the Lord God planted a garden in Eden in the east, and there he placed the man he had made.

Speaker 1 The Lord God made all sorts of trees grow up from the ground, trees that were beautiful and that produced delicious fruit.

Speaker 1 So before he even utilized and focused on what the tree would be used for, he focused on the aesthetic.

Speaker 1 This is his temple. This is the place in which the Holy Spirit dwells.

Speaker 1 What we put in it is very important. And then the way we take care of the outside is just as important to God, I believe.

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Speaker 1 Look at people who've made it to the top, and what do they do when they make it to the top? They're not happy. They fall.
They go to addiction. They're still not fulfilled.
That's what I mean.

Speaker 1 The success, it means nothing nothing it means nothing and that's why we're living in a world where everyone's depressed everyone's broken no one's happy everyone's getting divorced because we're all looking for the next best thing we're living in such a corrupt dysfunctional world and it's it's it's sad because if you only knew what is true happiness, we would live in such a fruitful world.

Speaker 1 It means nothing if you don't have jesus nothing means anything if you don't

Speaker 1 know we'll give you guys a little bit of an inside look to our life in la la is an accumulation of basically the most beautiful people in every city of America.

Speaker 1 The most beautiful people who are obviously all a little bit narcissistic because they think they're stars.

Speaker 1 Everybody comes out to LA. They're the best of their town.
So it's just, that's why everybody here is so beautiful because the best of the best come here.

Speaker 1 And you look around and this place is like we've said modern day Babylon where it's absolutely empty vapid you go out and you meet people and I don't mean this as an insult whatsoever but most of these people obviously aren't believers most of these people are not God's focused or Christ conscious like they only care about this and this and this and the things that they can get and social climbing and doing all of these things and they are so miserable when Ari and I go out sometimes which is like barely ever exhausted when we go out we're looking at people like we're just trying to connect Ari and I can Ari and I look very intense probably to other people because we look at people and we're I'm looking for what's in there and we're trying to connect on a soul level and it takes people aback all the time because they're like What is this?

Speaker 1 Like, nobody has these conversations. Nobody cares.
Everyone's talking about what they do for work and how many followers they have. And Ari and I are like, so like, what do do you think about God?

Speaker 1 Like, what is your concept of God? And it's, it's so alarming to people because they care, they're prioritizing the wrong things.

Speaker 1 They're broken. And the first thing that they ask you when we go out, so what do you do?

Speaker 1 We're living in a really lost city. It's a lost world.
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Speaker 1 I know, I know it's really difficult for all of us.

Speaker 1 Comparison, social media.

Speaker 1 I heard somebody say something along the lines of like when men meet each other, the second that they meet, the first thing they do within the five seconds is they size each other up to say, Would I be able to take this guy in a fight?

Speaker 1 So men have this comparison. They all have their Rolexes in their cars and all these things and they just want to be better than the next dude.
I have the bigger house. I have the hotter wife.

Speaker 1 I have like blah, blah, blah, whatever. And so they're always comparing each other to each other, always competing.
Women are pitted against one another from the beginning of time.

Speaker 1 That's why you and I are so unbelievably passionate about when we meet women, we embrace them and we're like, we are not against each other. We are together.
And that's why beautiful women.

Speaker 1 women don't intimidate us because we know that their beauty doesn't take away from ours and there's this proverb that talks about 2 Corinthians 10, 12 says, but they're measuring themselves by themselves and comparing themselves among themselves, but are not wise.

Speaker 1 So it says that you're comparing yourself to others is useless and can lead to feelings of low self-esteem and loneliness. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 What we all need to do, honestly, the best thing I did, the secret to it all,

Speaker 1 stop thinking so much about yourself. Preach.
Stop thinking so much about yourself. It's, it's,

Speaker 1 of course, we're going to be so worried. I was so worried and fixated because I'm looking at myself and what no one cares.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 The truth of it is, is no one really cares. Everyone is in their own head.
They're not judging you. They're judging

Speaker 1 themselves. It's so true.
That's such a good point. We don't have to be so, when you're stop being so self-focused on yourself.

Speaker 1 I love the scripture in 1 Corinthians 10, verse 24.

Speaker 1 No one should seek their own good, but the good good of others when you stop worrying so much about yourself and take the focus off and focus on others watch how good you'll feel it's freedom yeah and also what are you guys doing with your money the people that are working really hard and and you're you're really successful what are you doing with all your money make sure you're doing something good with it you want to feel good and take the vanity off start doing something good with your money meaning help other people be generous help your family that are in need, you know, do something good with the money and the hard work that you are doing.

Speaker 1 That's such a great point. I just feel like I had a revelation that the number, if you're struggling with vanity, the number one way is to sacrificially put yourself out there for other people.

Speaker 1 Force yourself to take the focus. A life of self-forgetfulness is a life of absolute freedom.
And so if you're struggling with vanity, one, pray about it, bring it to God. He will handle it.

Speaker 1 Be in your word.

Speaker 1 Do all the things that you know you need to do to develop intimacy with with god that will combat so much of it but practical steps that you can take is actively being like yes i could focus on myself but let me go and do things for other people and you'll naturally stop thinking about yourself so much yeah it is such freedom do you have any other tips that people could do for vanity do you know what i think it is with me and you that helps so much what

Speaker 1 One purity makes the biggest difference. If you, I mean, as women and as men, if you're not focused on being attractive, most of the time, we're attractive for two reasons.

Speaker 1 We want to be attractive to compete with other women. We want to be attractive so men find us attractive.
That's the only reason why you are like ever vain.

Speaker 1 That's the only reason why you show up in a room like that is because you want other women to think you're beautiful and other men to desire you.

Speaker 1 Once we let that part of us die and we entered into a season of total singleness, and when I say singleness, you guys, I mean like personally, I have actively, honestly, had to even limit my male friendships because the truth is, even male friendships can feed a part of you that wants male attention.

Speaker 1 God has taken me through a season where he's completely left me dry of any sort of validation or attention from men. And it's stripped me of my vanity.
I don't care about...

Speaker 1 the way that I look because I'm not proving myself to men.

Speaker 1 And so I think that that's a really great thing that we can all try to do is enter into a season of being like, I'm going to actively not talk to any guys.

Speaker 1 I'm going to actively not let that, not let men feed that part of me. And it's changed my life.
Can I be honest? It's, it's, I think,

Speaker 1 I'm so glad you said that because when we, that's when we were, that's when the vanity just completely was stripped. Because we were stripped.
Because all we knew was the lot are lust.

Speaker 1 Because vanity and lust go hand in hand. What's vanity? Trying to be sexy, trying to please others, trying to dress a certain way, trying to do things to make people want you, right?

Speaker 1 As soon as that's stripped away, you're left with a pure heart.

Speaker 1 And you don't need that anymore. What you're left is the things that actually matter.
Kindness,

Speaker 1 goodness. gentleness, compassion, wisdom, intelligence.
People that are in school, in middle school, in high school, please, for the love of God,

Speaker 1 I was so fixated on the way I looked because I was just,

Speaker 1 it was crazy. I couldn't even focus in school.

Speaker 1 Do you understand? Please pay attention, learn. If I could do one thing different, it would have been that I listened in school and I learned.

Speaker 1 Like, please don't worry about the boys and trying to compare yourselves and trying to look good for this one in school. Pay attention.
It's going to pay off in the long run. Truly.

Speaker 1 And also, if you are in middle school or high school, I want you to know that these years are so important they're so informative and everything that feels like such a massive

Speaker 1 deal in your life right now in five years is not going to matter. The people around you, you're not even going to remember their names.

Speaker 1 So you're sitting there robbing yourself of the ability to learn and to gain and to and to have and to be full filled in all of these different ways in school and by your parents.

Speaker 1 But you're robbing yourself of the ability because you're focused on people and things that inevitably won't matter in the future. It's not going to matter.

Speaker 1 And just like Ari, I would go back and I would just stay in school. I was so busy with boys.
I was so busy focused on the wrong things. I don't even know where Oregon is on the map.

Speaker 1 I don't know where Oregon is on the map.

Speaker 1 I missed that class.

Speaker 1 Show me the 50. I could, show me a map of the United States and I don't know where the states are.
That is. I swear on my phone.
I don't know where it is either. Portland?

Speaker 1 That's a

Speaker 1 elephants in the Bahamas. There's not?

Speaker 1 No, but please, guys, I'm not kidding.

Speaker 1 I have such a desire to just hold you guys' hand that are

Speaker 1 young people because I was so worried about what this one thought of me and what this one because I didn't feel good inside. And if I know, I don't even know these people anymore.
I know, I know.

Speaker 1 It doesn't matter. The boys don't matter.
I'm sorry to tell you, you're probably not going to marry the guy from middle school. You might, if you live in Weymouth, Massachusetts.

Speaker 1 You might, you might, and so I'm not ruling it out, but for the most part, these things won't matter.

Speaker 1 And what matters is your heart and your integrity and your character and becoming as much like Jesus as humanly possible. And who better to learn from and take

Speaker 1 a page out of their book is our Jesus, the only one who came, like Ari has said so many times. times, could have come as a king, came as a servant, so unbelievably humble.

Speaker 1 God opposes the proud and he gives grace to the humble and so humble yourself down not to make yourself small not to never put a care into your looks again but to simply make God the biggest part of your life the most priority that make yourself so Christ conscious that your your eyes are just fixated on him and we're focused on him all day and then you'll realize whoa I haven't even thought about myself yeah but you can still get ready in the morning and when you're with a group and you feel you're feeling like you're being judged or you're comparing yourself or you're having these low moments just look up and say no you love me it's all good you love me i know who i am i'm i am lovable i am good i am your daughter i am your son i swear i i

Speaker 1 oh i i started doing that speaking it out loud and it and it automatically goes away and i feel better because it's it's you know what can i'll just say one more thing when i lost the people that were really close to me and I had to I watched them in the casket and I saw their body and I just,

Speaker 1 things change when you, when somebody passes away and you can see them on the other side and you're like, wow, you see this person and they're gone and everything they had, the cars,

Speaker 1 all the clothes they had, everything they were trying to do, it's gone. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And you look and it's just all the people that loved them. So that's what matters.
It's them and your people.

Speaker 1 Who were you there for? How much did you love? That's all that matters.

Speaker 1 It's so true. Yeah.

Speaker 1 so ari and i also wanted to do an updated modesty for the love of all things holy um please don't watch our other modesty video it was very early on we were responding to the outpouring of criticism that we were receiving you guys were so right you were so what do we say i don't remember nothing we're just like kind of being like you know like

Speaker 1 Yeah, honor God with your butt. We were just like making excuses and we were very clear.
What are you saying?

Speaker 1 We were very clear.

Speaker 1 We were very clearly making excuses. God was working, but we were resistant.
And that's the truth.

Speaker 1 Sometimes, when God is sanctifying you, there's going to be a resistance to it at first because it's all you know. And literally, it's the spirit and the flesh that are at war with themselves.

Speaker 1 And that's why you also have to give people grace. Because even if you want to do the right thing, sometimes your flesh is like fighting against it.
And I think we were kind of fighting against it.

Speaker 1 We are still making excuses. We are still justifying.
And we want to stand here today to let you guys know that modesty is literally one of the most most important things to us in our faith journey.

Speaker 1 It is so incredibly important to me. Showing my body,

Speaker 1 coming from someone who used to wear some of the most insane outfits,

Speaker 1 showing my body genuinely makes me so uncomfortable. I don't want anyone seeing that.
I don't want anybody. Knowing that like I don't want anybody thinking thoughts of me.
I don't want anybody.

Speaker 1 I don't want to make truly my brother stumble. Like, I don't want to put myself in a a position that makes somebody's pure heart start having these.
I hate the idea of it.

Speaker 1 And so, I have taken it so seriously that everything I post, everything, and I've made mistakes. And even in feeling this way and having these convictions, things have still fell through the cracks.

Speaker 1 And I've felt extremely guilty and

Speaker 1 felt bad about it. But, like, I am fully in support of total modesty.
And yes, that might look different for everybody, but I no longer walk the line of immodesty and it's not okay to me.

Speaker 1 And it's really, and so if you ever see me wearing something or posting something, it's the devil and I need an exorcism.

Speaker 1 Is there anything you still struggle with with modesty? Yeah, I mean, there are some times where maybe I'll try something on in the store and I'll be like, I love the way this looks.

Speaker 1 And I'll have a moment of being like,

Speaker 1 I wish I could wear this. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Sometimes, rarely, because that's not my heart posture posture anymore. Because now I'm like, I don't want to wear that because I don't want anybody to see me in that.

Speaker 1 But there are some times, of course, where I'm like, oh, I have a moment where my flesh is like, I love the way that this dress looks. Or I love this two-piece friggin' top and skirt.

Speaker 1 And it's like, I don't care. I'm not going to dress like that.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 How do you feel about modesty? Where are you at with it?

Speaker 1 I think I had a lot of pride when we first started because I always loved fashion and I always thought thought that I looked pretty good, and so I had a little bit of an attitude.

Speaker 1 I'm not gonna lie, I was like, I don't know what you guys are talking about. I'm wearing my Reformation dresses, and if it has a slit in it, and you guys don't like it, I don't know what to tell you.

Speaker 1 And so, I really struggled with it. I was like, I actually feel bad for Christians that have to deal with these people because they're so annoying.

Speaker 1 Because I am fashionable and I'm cool and I am classy.

Speaker 1 But no, so it's been definitely a journey with me because sometimes I have taken a video and they're like, wait, what are you wearing? And I'm like, wait, what? So it's like, I'm learning.

Speaker 1 And I think I'm still learning with the bathing suits, honestly. That's me being completely.
Oh, I haven't even, no, we haven't even talked. What are we wearing this summer?

Speaker 1 I'm not going to the beach. I'm not.

Speaker 1 And yeah. I'm not wearing a freaking diaper.
I'm not dealing with that. I was Googling some modest bikinis and they're pretty,

Speaker 1 I don't know how my body's going to look in those. So I do struggle with them.
I,

Speaker 1 yeah,

Speaker 1 that's a struggle for me. And then even some things like...

Speaker 1 I took a video. I think we went to a premiere and

Speaker 1 they had told me to look over your shoulder. And so I looked over my shoulder and I got mauled.
I mean, they were saying I'm showing off my butt and all this stuff. And I really wasn't.

Speaker 1 I was just looking over my shoulder. And so that's been, that was, that was a lot.
And so I'm trying to navigate it. And

Speaker 1 just,

Speaker 1 yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's been a journey. It's a journey.
It's a journey. But I,

Speaker 1 I, I,

Speaker 1 I, for me, like how I used to dress, I would dress really classy, but there would always have to be a little bit of sexy in it, you know?

Speaker 1 And like, we, we did talk about this in one of the modesty episodes. um we have different chest sizes and so it's hard for me absolutely have different chest sizes

Speaker 1 yep everybody knows

Speaker 1 i can wear whatever i listen i can wear literally any shirt that i want and i'm modest

Speaker 1 You better wear a trash bag as a shirt. I put it on and I look like it's just crazy.
So it's hard for me to find clothes. Like it's that are, so that's why you see me.

Speaker 1 I got legs on all the time but um it's beautiful I love I there's nothing more beautiful than feeling conservative and just beautiful do you understand how good I feel I

Speaker 1 don't tell me that God's not real don't tell me if if you would have told me Psalm 37 delight in the Lord and he will give you the desires of your heart

Speaker 1 I delight in the Lord. I love him so much.
He is my world. I'm in love with him and he is my main focus and the only thing that I delight in.
And he has given me the desires of my heart.

Speaker 1 I don't want anybody looking at my body.

Speaker 1 I love wearing things that don't show off my body. I don't feel like I'm like.
My mom calls me a nun. My mom is like, why are you judging like that?

Speaker 1 It's beautiful, though.

Speaker 1 And when I look at a woman who's dressed so classy, they just look so, it's a whole other level of beauty to me. 100%.
And I look at them and I'm like, wow, I wonder if she's smart.

Speaker 1 I wonder if she's kind. I wonder what's in here.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 It just leaves so much more room to focus on the things that actually matter. And you attract different people too.
You attract better people.

Speaker 1 I have not had one ex-convict

Speaker 1 in my DMs since I cleaned my act up.

Speaker 1 But I love the ex-convicts, though. No shade.
I love you. She got a lot of letters from Prison Me.
I'm just kidding. But I wish.
I want to say, give

Speaker 1 people grace.

Speaker 1 They're learning. They're growing.
And some people simply don't know. And we were two of them.
Two of those girls that didn't know. If you see me, though, acting up, call me out.

Speaker 1 I will be anxious, but

Speaker 1 tell me. I might have a little bit of an attitude.
I will, because I love fashion. And so don't try to tell me what to wear.

Speaker 1 I will submit. I will submit.
What do we do

Speaker 1 when somebody says something about our pictures? You freak out. I'm like, no, I like, I get an attitude.
You're so good about it. I am.

Speaker 1 Because I love fashion. I always have been a fashion girl.
I'm like, what?

Speaker 1 I know. You know, I don't know.
No, it's just, it's hard. It's, it's,

Speaker 1 it's hard, and we're all working it out. We work out our salvation.
We work out our modesty. We work everything out.
And it's hard sometimes when it's we're in the position that we're in.

Speaker 1 And it's like, did God say, is God telling me this? Am I listening to all the other voices? But I do think that it

Speaker 1 is very helpful to have, you know, some people to help us keep us on track. And that's kind of what you sign up for when you want to go out and lead and be in public.

Speaker 1 So it's just, yeah, you're like, I'm going to have an attitude.

Speaker 1 I just, I just don't want you guys to feel, girls, I don't want you to feel like you have to show your chest, like you have to wear a small dress, like you have to dress a certain way and be sexy for a man to look at you.

Speaker 1 Because I promise you, you're only going going to attract the wrong kinds of men. That's absolutely right.

Speaker 1 You know, so I really, I want you guys to listen to us.

Speaker 1 Modesty is so important, and it really will change your life. It will change the people in your life.

Speaker 1 And if you are single and you're looking for someone dressing appropriately, the photos, the photos, the photos, the photos, please. I can't believe it's okay.

Speaker 1 I give myself so much grace for the photos I used to post. I used to be into social media and be an influencer.
I was looking at my archive photos last week and I was like, man, have I changed?

Speaker 1 But, you know, those things are out there forever. I want you guys to think about every single photo you put out there.
Really,

Speaker 1 your Instagram, unfortunately, now it's like our resume. So

Speaker 1 be careful what you post.

Speaker 1 And just, yeah. And even for men, what do you think for men from Modesty? Do you have anything for men? Guys, please

Speaker 1 Come on, the men need to hear. Yeah, no,

Speaker 1 modesty for you guys. It's a heart posture as well.
I don't think you guys are wearing skanky bikinis, but you know

Speaker 1 gym picks, shirt picks. It's just the intention behind what you're doing.
Why are you doing it? Why? Who do you want to see this? And what do you want?

Speaker 1 What reaction are you trying to elicit from them? It all matters, and it all starts in the heart. And like, just be very honest with yourself.

Speaker 1 And that's between you and God So just ask yourself Why am I posting this? Why am I posting a thirst trap? What's the point? You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 There's much more valuable things that you could be putting out into the world. Thank you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think you said it got love you guys so much and thank you for joining us in another heartfelt bleeded out conversation. Thank you for the grace you've given us.

Speaker 1 Just thank you for everything you've done for us. We love you guys more than anything in the world and we're so happy to be on this journey with you truly.
Thank you guys so much.

Speaker 1 Thank you for all the grace. We love you.
Thank you for growing with us. We love you.
May the Lord bless you and keep you. May he make his face shine upon you and be gracious to you.

Speaker 1 May he turn his face towards you and give you peace. Love you.
Love you.