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Hi, I'm Ari and I'm Mange.

And today we have such a special guest on today.

He's a doctor of natural medicine, a clinical nutritionist, and one of the leading voices in holistic health.

You probably know him from his best-selling books, one of them being being The Biblio Diet.

Dr.

Josh Axe.

Thanks for having me.

Hey, excited to be here.

It's an honor.

What's going on?

We are so excited to have you.

I have been so blessed to get introduced to you by a friend.

I just wanted to share.

You guys know that I went through a little bit of a health scare.

I was dealing with so many gut and health issues with my PCOS.

I talk about that a lot.

And so, yeah, I was basically bedridden for two weeks.

I was so scared.

I, um, anything I ate, I basically had a flare-up.

I got scans on my ovaries because I thought it was my PCOS.

And so, I basically had to change my whole diet, everything around.

Then I got introduced to you, Dr.

Axe.

And basically, we went through all these protocols.

You asked me so many questions, and I didn't even know this was a part of it.

A couple of questions that you asked, you were like, Do you overthink a lot?

Do you constantly like, are you constantly on the go?

Are you constantly helping others and not thinking about yourself?

I was like, yes, yes, and yes.

And he's like, well, a lot of your mental health is correlated to the gut.

Yeah.

And so I started to really kind of see the way my body was operating.

And every time I would stress, my whole gut would flare up.

Anyways, it ended up being the best thing that could have happened to me because I've completely changed my diet, my life, and I've never felt better.

And I'm just so blessed to have you here because I feel like so many of us don't even realize how our mental health is correlated to our gut, what we're putting in our bodies food-wise.

I mean, I've changed everything with food and all the things that you've put me on.

So I would love to just dive into all of it.

Yeah.

Well, well, I'm excited to chat today.

You know, I, you know, the Bible has a lot of just incredible wisdom.

In fact, the Bible is the greatest health book ever written as well.

And the Old Testament gets a lot into diet and food.

In fact, the most referenced things in the Bible, generally speaking, in terms of parables and stories are about farming and about food.

And I want to say it's around like 60, almost one, two-thirds of Jesus' parables are about food and farming.

So it's something that's talked about a lot in the Bible.

And I think that everybody is aware of this sort of connection between our diet and exercise and those sort of things when it comes to our physical health.

But there's absolutely a spiritual component.

In fact, when you look at what Jesus talks about in terms of healing people, He's not saying eat this or exercise this way.

He's saying your faith has healed you.

Like the woman who is bleeding yeah said your faith has healed you another time right after lazarus was raised he said it's your belief you know you know that um that can even raise the dead you know or his belief and so that that being said you know one of the things that i've really committed my career to is trying to teach people how to heal using principles of the bible everything from diet to prayer to fasting um so yeah that's been a big part of it wow That is so special.

I, I mean, I have so many questions.

I guess, why don't you go first?

Because you guys went through something really special together.

No, I don't.

Well, I, first of all, I heard that you reversed your mom's cancer.

Sure.

Yeah.

And I would say, I mean, so technically,

well, I helped my mom create a plan and she was able to reverse cancer.

Wow.

And

again, in all things, I believe God was a huge, huge part of that and wouldn't have happened without him.

But I will say that

Yeah, so going back, this was when I was in eighth grade.

My mom was diagnosed with breast cancer, and it was really shocking because my mom was very fit, very healthy.

She was a swim instructor.

She taught PE at the high school at the school I went to and looked healthy.

But at 41, I got diagnosed with breast cancer.

And we lived in the

conventional medical system at the time.

Anytime we were sick, we just took drugs.

We didn't know there was another way.

Totally.

And so.

She went through the conventional treatments of chemotherapy.

She had a mastectomy.

And I still remember to this day, my mom losing her hair.

In fact, I have this sort of mental image of my mom had a comb after her second chemo treatment, bringing it through her hair and just all of her hair coming out.

And I remember thinking to myself at the time and praying

at a similar time that I said,

God, I don't want to see anyone hurt like my mom is hurting right now.

And I also thought there's got to be a better way.

And so that really sort of led me on a path to start learning about natural medicine.

And my mom was diagnosed as being cancer-free after the treatments.

But here's the crazy part.

After all of the chemo, she seemed worse than ever before.

My mom was diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome.

So she was just tired all the time, hypothyroidism, autoimmune disease.

She got put on antidepressants and anti-anxiety drugs.

So my mom growing up was always very, very sick.

And then I was about to graduate and open up a functional medicine clinic in Nashville.

And this is many years later.

And I got a call from my mom just in tears on the phone.

And she said, Josh, I've just been diagnosed with cancer again on my lung.

And she said, what do I do?

And I said, I'll be home.

Flew from Florida back to Ohio where I grew up.

And the first thing we did is we just got down on our hands and knees and just prayed and just said Lord we need you you know we need your guidance and we just both felt very led to take care of her all naturally and even though the physicians they were her oncologist

said you need to go in and do surgery in three days and start radio radiation treatments right away and we said we're going to wait a few months and then we'll do that if what we're doing doesn't work, but we're going to take a different path.

And so we did.

And so my mom started juicing vegetables every single day.

We started doing a lot of liver and salmon, a lot of herbs like turmeric, rishi, mushroom, all kinds of things.

And so we had a really specific diet and supplemental plan for her that she followed.

And then with that as well, we had her meditating on God's word day and night.

I mean, we had about 20 Bible verses that she just said morning, day and night.

And we also went back.

And this is the thing that I've really, I'm so, it's so crazy because my mom will tell you today.

that she is grateful she had cancer because of how it changed her life.

But we did this whole protocol.

And after four months, we went back and did the CT scans.

And the oncologist called us the next day and she said, what have you been doing?

We shared with her and she goes, this is highly unusual.

We don't typically see this, but your tumors have shrunk in half.

She said, I'll see you again in nine months.

Went back nine months later, complete remission.

So now my mom's in her 70s.

This has been, that was back in 2006.

I mean, it's crazy how time flies.

I guess it's almost 19, you know, years ago.

But yeah, she's still cancer free, has amazing how she said she feels better now in her 70s than she did in her 30s.

And,

and, you know, and praise God for him healing her.

And then there are so many just divine things happening too where we're praying and God sort of allows me to read something or introduces me to a physician to where I, you know, was able to put together this protocol to help her heal.

And

I was able to learn so much from that and how I treat patients because so often today, when somebody has a health struggle, they think, well, I'm going to try and take this one supplement or I'm going to go on whatever fad diet is, vegan, paleo, carnivore, keto.

And I learned that everybody is a unique individual and everybody needs a very customized plan for them.

So when I treat patients, whether it's hypothyroidism or PCOS or IBD or whatever it is, I really go all out in terms of what is the best possible diet.

What is a supplement plan?

What are the emotions that are causing issues?

Like we know that worry affects the digestive system.

Grief, not letting go of the past, that affects the immune system.

So fear, that affects the reproductive organs and the, and of course, adrenals.

We know your body produces cortisol with that emotion.

So, I really put together a very specific plan, even

Bible verses customized for that person to meditate on in order to heal.

So, and I found that people, when they follow a plan like that, and they also commit their lives to, you know, following a lot of the biblical principles of prayer and releasing anxiety, casting our cares upon him, people heal, you know, 90, you know, high 90% of the time when they do that.

Yeah.

Wow.

This is really beautiful work.

Yeah.

This is really special.

I don't think I've heard of anybody else doing anything like this.

This is like really significant and profound.

And I just want to honor you in that because

to be able to bring these two things together, because I think oftentimes in faith and spirituality, it's always like one.

over the other.

And like there's often we don't kind of have like a well-rounded view of life and faith.

And oftentimes it's like it's all spiritual and it's all casting out demons or it's all mental and it's all psychiatric help or it's just physical and you just have to drink juices.

And so for you to have this really well-rounded, holistic, like truly holistic and God's number one thing is that he's holy, which means whole.

It's just like your work is a direct reflection of God in a sense.

I don't know.

That's what I'm thinking.

Thanks so much.

Yeah, thanks so much.

It's so encouraging.

You know, I

love what I get to do because it's so fun.

You know, I had a, I used to have a brick and mortar practice where I saw patients in person.

I'm actually opening another one in, in January in Nashville, but now I have a virtual practice.

And so I see a lot of people or I have practitioners that patients will come see and then I'll kind of do some of the harder cases or help out with certain things.

But it's like, I, you know, I still today

will run into people at, of course, Whole Foods Market or whatever health food store and, you know, patients coming up and saying, hey, you know, like, you know, I, you know, thank you for helping me reverse whatever condition it was.

So it's, to me, it's a very, it's very fulfilling to be able to do this type of work.

But more than anything, you know, I, I think that anytime anyone's operating in the gift that God has given them, there's a sense of joy and purpose, you know, you're fulfilling.

I mean, that's why it's so amazing what you, what, what you are both doing here with your podcast, you know?

So I heard you guys do a podcast.

It was probably maybe even your first podcast.

You somehow you guys popped up on my Instagram feed and I listened to it.

And then I text Esther, Federica.

And I was like, Esther, you've got to go reach out and message these ladies because this is so powerful.

I said

they're going to just impact so many people.

So anyway, just so you know, that's how Esther ended up reaching out.

But yeah, I mean, I think that there's,

yeah, and that's another thing that's just interesting too.

You know, I think for most people, it's like, okay, physical health is physical things, right?

And it's diet, it's exercise, those things are impacting it.

I truly believe when people are sick with any physical illness, the majority of the time, there are the emotional, spiritual, mental things going on with them have a even bigger impact than their diet.

Wow.

An example of this is, you know, I've taken care of a lot of patients with digestive issues like irritable bowel syndrome.

And when I would have them first start coming into my clinic, if they would go and eat, you know, just go off the rails diet-wise, like do a bunch of pizza and gluten or a bunch of, you know, conventional dairy, they would have just major, major digestive distress.

But then sometimes they would come in and they would have major digestive distress.

And I said, what are you eating?

And they'd say, well, my diet's perfect.

I'm eating exactly what you told me.

And I started, and I said, well, what's going on?

Stress at work.

I'm going through a divorce.

I've lost a loved one or just some sort of thing there.

And so then I started realizing, you know what?

If I truly want to help people heal, I can't just focus on the physical.

I really need to help help people as well focus on the spiritual and mental.

And here's another thing that would happen all the time.

Like I used to be like.

Because even 20 years ago, when I started practicing,

nobody went to see a natural practitioner first, right?

It was like they went to conventional practitioners, and after that didn't work, then they would see a natural practitioner.

And I'd have people come in all the time and they'd say, My doctor told me that I need to take this drug, and then also that I need to reduce stress.

And I'd say, like, well, that's great advice.

What did they tell you to reduce stress?

They're like, well, they didn't.

They just told me to reduce stress.

Yeah, that's all they say.

Just reduce your stress.

And you're like, what?

Yeah.

So it's very non-prescriptive versus the Bible has a clear path for here's how you reduce stress.

Here's how you build, you know, your emotional and mental state.

Wow, that is so special.

Can you talk about, because so many girls are struggling with PCOS right now,

how to reverse it?

What's a protocol that they can get on?

Can they do?

Yeah.

There's really two primary things that are causing PCOS.

And if you fix these two things, your PCOS will clear up.

It is having...

imbalance insulin.

That's number one.

So it's really an insulin resistance.

And so in fact, some scientists will call it type 4 diabetes because it's so connected to blood sugar.

The secondary thing is

if we look at sort of the ancient forms of medicine, they would call it basically stagnation where blood isn't moving.

It's really more connected to

the liver.

So, we're talking about the pancreas and the liver and what's going on with those two organs.

And so, the first thing I do is we look at balancing blood sugar from a dietary standpoint.

So, rather, and it tends to be just excess carb consumption, too much sugar, even more so, probably, you know, grains and pastas and all those types of things, bread, those sort of things will start to just too many carbs.

And then carbs without the other thing that slow the absorption.

So we really want to do a lot more protein and fiber and then a small amount of healthy fat with that as well.

So when we can make that shift, just an example, rather than doing special, whatever cereal with skim milk or a beggling cream cheese or something like that, that's pretty carb heavy.

I switch people to eat like a, like a smoothie smoothie with some low glycemic carbs.

Could be blueberry, could be pumpkin or sweet potato.

I have them do a very high amount of cinnamon.

Cinnamon is a the number one herb for balancing blood sugar.

What?

So yeah, about a teaspoon a day of pumpkin pie spice or cinnamon.

And

then maybe some healthy fat and a lot of protein.

I have them do a mixture of like a collagen or bone broth-based protein with a plant protein.

So that would just be an example, but that alone, just making that shift to a different type of breakfast and other meals, again, more meat, more vegetables, more, you know, low-glycemic carbs, that's big.

And then the other thing is we really want to help detoxify excess estrogen.

So I have women do a lot of steamed vegetables, like steamed cruciferous vegetables, because that helps get rid of the excess estrogen and some other things that will cause and contribute to PCOS.

And then I have them do herbal blends or supplements.

The top one is called berberine.

It's an herb that's used in Ayurvedic medicine that helps balance blood sugar.

I'll have people do chromium.

It's a micronutrient that's really good for blood sugar.

And

then outside of that, emotionally, PCOS is caused by two things, excess worry,

and then feeling like you're stuck in life.

You're frustrated or impatient with the situation at hand or something like that.

So those are the emotions that really contribute.

And there are, you know, and then, so it's just going to, again, the Bible.

And so it's just meditating on his verses.

And a lot of times, too, people are struggling with childhood trauma.

Yeah.

And they, a lot of people stuff it under the rug and don't ever address it.

And so it kind of festers.

And so we have these memories that sometimes we're not even conscious of that, like, you know, what Paul talks about in the Bible.

Sometimes I do what I don't even want to do.

Yeah.

Sometimes we do what we don't want to do because twofold.

One, this childhood trauma that causes us to react in certain ways, these patterns.

And the other thing is,

you know, I think not even

being aware of what the Bible says or not living in that state enough with the Holy Spirit.

But

just going in and focusing on reducing anxiety and also going back to those things, because this happens with Christians, I want to bring this up.

I know several, and I'm thinking of girls, women in particular, who they have this, what some people would maybe call toxic positivity, where it's like, well, I'm just going to say Jesus enough.

And, but I'm never going to go and deal with any of this pain, any of this trauma, any of these things that have happened.

And, and Jesus will heal you, but you you have to bring to him

that thing and not leave it in the corner.

So, oh, I love that you just said that.

That is so, so important.

You can't spiritually or emotionally bypass things.

Yeah.

They don't just heal.

I literally was just listening to my pastor.

He said something like,

you have to understand that whatever has hurt your family won't just stop on its own.

You either stop it intentionally and on purpose, because it doesn't just heal by, like nothing just like heals by itself.

Like you have to actually actively bring it to Jesus.

That's right.

That's really special.

So, you would, what would you say about birth control on a girl that's like, maybe I can take birth control to get my menstrual cycle?

Yeah.

Well, birth control has so many side effects that aren't even on the label that people aren't aware of.

Like, I'll give you an example.

And let me just quote one study.

And this is going to maybe shock some people, but

this is one of the longest, biggest studies ever done on birth control.

If somebody takes birth control long term, around up to, let's say, 10 years, their chance of getting hypothyroidism goes up by 287%.

So, I mean, think about how many girls.

And this is the pill that we're talking about.

Yeah, this is an oral pill.

Okay.

So think about how many girls got put on at 16 years old, got put on birth control.

And then all of a sudden, sometime in their 20s, they get diagnosed with hypothyroidism or Hashimoto's.

Oh, my God.

I mean, it's probably the number one thing I see in my practice.

I mean,

and here's what people don't know.

Birth control, and everybody could look this up, whether it's on Google or ChatGTP or everyone you look it up.

Look at what are the biggest vitamin and mineral deficiencies that birth control causes.

B1, B2, B3, B6, B9, B12, selenium, zinc, and good bacteria.

So, so, I mean, so your body becomes so depleted of nutrients when you take birth control.

And that's not something, this is why every medication depletes your body of some sort of vitamin and mineral.

Some, it's one or two.

Like birth control,

it's over 10.

And so, and those are the exact nutrients that your body needs for a process called methylation.

I don't know if you've heard of MTHFR, but

it's a genetic variant that some people have.

A lot of people, actually, 40%.

And so if those women took birth control and then also have this gene, well, that's going to, their body is going to be so depleted that they will end up with hypothyroidism.

And there are other issues there.

So my point there with birth control is.

It's not a vitamin.

It's definitely not a vitamin.

It's a synthetic drug that really harms and depletes your body over the long term.

And then there's also questions about what about the copper IUD.

Well, when you have that much copper in your body, copper and zinc have to be sort of paired up in the right doses.

And so if you have that much copper, it's going to affect your zinc levels in your body negatively, which zinc is critical for gut repair, for immune system.

For men, it's very important for sperm production.

So, but overall,

all of them are going to have some sort of side effects.

And you, again, think about it, just synthetic drugs, these chemicals, they have some.

Now, now.

Here's the good news.

God put so many amazing herbs and spices and foods that we can use as medicine.

And he makes it obvious too.

This is pretty cool.

So there is an ancient principle that if a food looks like an organ, it supports that organ.

Wow.

So think about like a walnut.

It looks like a hemisphere of your brain.

Wow.

A coconut is like a head.

It looks like a head and it has medium chain fatty acids, which is the best sort of fat for your brain to use as fuel.

You have beets.

It looks like blood.

They're really high in nitric oxide.

Tomato has four chambers.

It's red.

Your heart has four chambers.

It's red.

It's high in lycopene.

Cut open a carrot.

It looks like an eye.

That has beta-carotene, which is good for your eyes.

Olives look like ovaries.

You have these amazing fatty acids that are good for women's hormones and reproductive health.

So

there are natural solutions.

Now, let me say the one thing that it's hard for is probably birth control.

There's not a food.

for that.

There's foods for fertility.

Yeah.

But anti-fertility, that's a little bit more challenging, but that's that's where there's natural family planning listen my wife and i have figured it out everyone else can figure it out yeah you know so for sure yeah

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Here's a drug that

when I was walking in the building, first of all, I just love this.

I'm like,

the door I walked up to at first to come in here to do the interview was like a cannabis, like a marijuana store.

That's what I'm saying.

Which I love you guys do your podcast.

I'm like, you know, they're praying for those people daily.

I'm sure of it.

So, so, all that being said, I, you know, I, marijuana, that, that's a, that's a, like any other drug, really.

It's like, it's like any other drug.

And so

it long term, you know, like I had a, we all know these people.

I had a buddy from high school who

got out of full ride scholar ship and sports and everything going else.

And he started, you know, smoking marijuana.

And then it was this thing where it was just like threw his life away.

And then he was just chronically just not motivated.

Yeah.

Like people know that's the symptom.

It's you're not motivated.

People say it helps them sometimes.

What it does is marijuana depletes your body, your adrenal glands.

I mean, it just sucks and sucks and sucks to where now you're just not motivated at all.

And so, but every drug you take

uses up vitamins, minerals, and all these other things and leaves you bankrupt nutritionally in some area.

That is so, I know marijuana will literally suck the life out of somebody's eyes.

Like you see people who smoke weed and their eyes are just lifeless and dead a lot of the time.

They're just numb.

Like they're just completely.

They're numb.

That's a perfect word for it.

Yeah.

I would love to hear just a little bit about your book, The Biblio Diet, and just if we could just dive into, we love the Bible so much here.

If we could just dive into what the Bible says about food, about diet.

I think for me, this is a really beautiful episode because I've had a long journey with disordered eating.

And I know so many of our listeners have as well.

And I think oftentimes childhood stuff and trauma and all that stuff can really sever our like mind-stomach connection.

And then like things like shame or guilt become associated with the basic life necessity of eating.

And then eating for a lot of people is really complicated when it shouldn't be.

Like it's just a basic life thing that we're supposed to do and it can get really weird for people.

So if you could just, yeah, if we could dive into stuff like that.

Yeah.

Well, I think, you know, As I mentioned earlier, the Bible talks about food a lot.

Yeah.

And one of the first things, we know the first sin, isn't it so interesting?

It has to do with food in a way.

I mean, it's taking a piece of fruit off of a tree.

And

part of my

biblical understanding is, is that, you know, when Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden, God wanted them to take that Garden of Eden in that small localized spot and turn the entire planet into a Garden of Eden.

And we know this because Revelation 21 says, and in the end, we will live in a heaven and new earth and it will be here within a garden city.

Wow.

Okay.

So, so, and this is also, I have a big passion for regenerative agriculture.

Like my, one of my best friends, Jordan Rubin and I, who I co-authored with the book with, like we own about 4,000 acres of farmland where we practice regenerative agriculture and really try and follow the biblical principles of farming in what we do.

Like we let the land rest every seven years, as it talks about in the book of Leviticus.

We grow certain types of trees and plants together.

They're called perennials because if you would go back to the Garden of Eden, they weren't working the ground, tilling the soil.

And so they weren't growing like wheat or soy or corn and those things.

They were doing fruit and berry bushes and nut trees, like walnuts, probably.

So it was that sort of thing that where they, it just naturally grows without us having to farm.

You just have to trim and hedge and kind of almost like an artist.

And that's, that's sort of the way that the way that it worked.

And so we know that, you know, food, like God wants us to eat.

He wants us to enjoy food and there should be a pleasure with it, but it's all within his design.

I mean, think about like a marriage or think about sex a very similar way.

It's like it was meant to be done in this very specific way.

And if not, it's going to harm you, right?

But if it's done the right way, it's the most beautiful, greatest thing ever, right?

So it's a very similar thing with food and with diet.

And so I think that people, we all should embrace that sort of mentality of like God designed us to enjoy food and

it should be medicine for us.

It should be healing.

You know, there are actually Bible verses in Ezekiel and Revelations that say that, you know, the fruit is for the nations and the leaves of these trees are for the healing of the nations.

And so that's pretty interesting, even thinking about herbal medicine or those sort of things.

So,

but

in this book that Jordan and I wrote, the biblio diet or just the Bible in general, I think the first principle that I encourage people to sort of embrace with a biblical diet is

in the New Testament.

where it's 1 Corinthians 10, 31, whether you eat, drink, or whatever you do, do all for the glory of God.

And so I think going in with that heart first, that's the first thing.

And then Romans, we know, says, you know,

offer your bodies as living sacrifices to God.

This is a spiritual act of worship.

Isn't that interesting too?

Eating what you're doing physically with your body as a temple, it's a spiritual act.

Wow.

So that's amazing as well.

And so, you know, the Bible really walks us through how to be healthy, what to eat, what not to eat.

I mean, one thing we cover in here that is maybe a little controversial within the Christian community would be like Jordan and I don't recommend pork or shell or shellfish.

And the reason we don't recommend it is that we don't believe we're under the law.

We believe we can eat pork and shellfish.

We don't believe it's not it's a it's a sin in that way that it was in the Old Testament.

But God wasn't like, I'm just going to randomly pick these foods and tell you not to eat them.

No, they're carriers of toxins.

Like today we know the number one food that carries parasites is pork.

Oh.

By far.

It's not even close.

I found that out in the Bahamas.

When I saw how nasty they were, I was like, oh, I'm never eating the bacon again.

If you're on a farm and you look at the way pigs live, they eat their own feces.

I know that's gross, but they are, they, they're scavengers.

And here's the reason why they're sick.

They don't, they don't detox well.

They store toxins.

They, they store them up.

And it's similar to humans too.

Like we store more than other animals, other

mammals.

And so they store.

And a very similar thing with shrimp and lobster and shellfish of all kinds.

They're bottom feeders and they store toxins.

Wow, so don't eat shrimp.

No, it's really not good either.

I mean, what about lobster?

Can I get a lobster roll?

Here's what I would say.

Oh my gosh.

Lobster, biblically, they're both in the category of shellfish.

Wow.

Are lobsters probably a little less toxic than shrimp?

Yeah, I mean, probably.

I mean, I wrote a paper on this once on shrimp are the dirtiest of

the sea.

Do you know shrimp is my favorite food?

One of them.

Shrimp gives me the creeps i'll tell you they always give me the creeps i'll never eat shrimp again so so so all this being did all this being said i don't believe it's a sin but i believe god said not to eat it for a reason because he knew these store toxins these aren't healthy and modern science proves what i'm sharing today as well so overall we say you're better off not eating that there are so many other things you can enjoy though and if people say they want bacon try beef bacon That's amazing.

You know, turkey bacon is good.

I like it, but some people are like, it's not enough.

It's not like pork bacon.

Beef bacon is really good.

So there are plenty of alternatives out there.

You know, one thing I've thought about sometimes is if, you know,

it's one of the things that I know we all have to do constantly is take something that's written in the Bible and apply it to today.

Like I sometimes think about if Moses were here right now redoing the, you know, the food laws, what would make the cut and what wouldn't?

Like food dyes, artificial sweeteners.

Oh my gosh, can you adjust?

High for this corn syrup.

Yeah.

Wow.

What do you think about processed sugar?

You know, processed sugar, listen, if people want to eat what's truly healthy, it's food in the whole form.

I mean, for the most part, it's, it's, it's, it's

not processed at all, or it's minor processing.

Anything that's ultra-processed

isn't healthy.

I mean, the thing is, like eating a blueberry and that amount of sugar and blueberries or apples or...

dates for that matter, even honey is very different than that of even cane sugar.

I mean, it's, it's much, much healthier to do the whole food.

And, you know, you know what, when I, When I was in college and started eating healthy, I started eating more of the general, maybe you guys have eaten this way at some point.

I guess I would call it the bodybuilder diet.

It was like chicken breast, broccoli, brown rice.

You know what I'm talking about?

Totally.

And I was able to get healthy and fit that way, but like it was like miserable.

It's like cardboard and, you know, and sticks every meal.

Like it just was plain, didn't taste great.

But then I just started to learn over time.

I can add a little olive oil.

I can add some pomegranate.

I can add some herbs.

I can do, like, I can make my favorite recipes.

I still eat chicken parmesan.

I still eat chocolate cake.

I just use, you know, an ancient grain gluten-free flour.

And I use buffalo mozzarella.

And I use organic pasta sauce.

And I,

so, so, so, we can still eat the food we love.

It's more work.

But listen, any, doing anything right in this life and honoring God at the highest level.

It's always way harder.

You always have to go out of your way.

Yeah, totally.

But that's just, you know, part of part of being, part of being healthy.

But in the book, too, we get into somewhat fasting.

Yeah.

I get questions about this all the time.

I'm actually not that big of a fan of intermittent fasting for most people, especially women.

Women, there's so much hormone fluctuation happening that, and I want to, especially in a case like PCOS, keep blood sugar balanced and not allow for spikes.

So I want them to eat breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

But one thing that's interesting is that the early church, they fasted for the most part a day a week, either Wednesdays or Fridays.

And they would just skip breakfast and lunch.

They would still eat dinner, but they would spend that time, you know, praising God and spending more time there.

So I do think fasting on occasion has its benefits and seasonally as well.

Oh, thank you for saying that.

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What we spoke to a little bit before, I think something that I love about Jesus so much is that he values like sitting around a table so much.

He values breaking bread.

He values like meals.

Literally, he, he, he dies, resurrects, he comes back to his disciples and he's like, give me some fish.

Like, it's like crazy.

Like, he values food, like, and he values eating with, and like what you said, enjoying food, but in the context of what's appropriate and what's healthy.

And so for people who have battled all types of eating disorders and have lost like

just what it means to have a healthy relationship with food, do you work with disordered eating clients?

Yeah, yeah, I do.

So, so, you know, I think.

To your point, I think one of the most important things is for people to get back to community.

The longest longevity study to date, it's Harvard.

It's a 90-year study.

They found the number one thing you need to live a long time is

community.

You need close friends and family.

And in the ancient world, the number one place you connected with people was sitting, was over a meal,

to your point.

So I think anybody struggling with an eating disorder, I think the first thing is things that you both speak on constantly.

It's looking at identity, it's looking at

identity.

It's your identity in Christ and knowing how much you're loved, how much you're cherished, know how to live by design.

But, you know, I think looking at getting,

teaching them how to eat healthy

and

what a healthy meal looks like.

And I think also, um,

yeah, I just think for issues like that, again, there, there are some food solutions in terms of what, what, what, what they eat.

I mean, I, I, I have them eat typically whatever is going to be most healing for them in the, in the correct amount.

I mean, that, that's what I'm going to recommend for, for them.

So most people, you know, I don't have Every diet I create for somebody, it's unique to that individual.

Like I'm not a big believer in everybody should be on keto or carnivore or vegan.

I think everybody, you know, God made everyone unique.

Totally.

And there are so many people out there today where like their friend did paleo or keto or something else, and it worked for them, but not for that person who's trying that diet.

So I think even for that person that is struggling with the eating disorder, I think when I'm creating a food plan for them, it's very customized to them individually.

But I know, and I encourage them and speak to the way that I can, along with typically a counselor,

let's focus on building your identity in Christ.

Totally.

Wow.

Yeah.

I love that.

What would you say to people who struggle with gluttony?

You know, I think for most people with gluttony, you,

food is your,

for some people, it's their God.

For some people, it's the thing that you want most.

It's the thing that both relieves pain and gives you pleasure.

So we know statistically, based on the scientific evidence, that sugar creates this sort of flood of of dopamine in the body, which can give you an improved mood.

Alcohol does a similar thing, but then it crashes and you're worse later on, right?

And so it's sort of this negative cycle that starts to happen.

I think that for people with gluttony, one, hey, let's try and focus on the best diet we possibly can.

But I think, you know, I was reading the Bible this morning.

I want to say it was in 1 Peter.

And

actually, you know, it was a different book in the Bible.

But basically, I think it's where Paul is like, hey, if you have somebody who's stealing, hey, have them start doing something good with their hands.

Wow.

So it's like you have this negative thing you're doing with your hands of stealing.

And he's like, no, have the person keep using their hands.

Hey, they're very gifted with their hands.

Let's have them start using that towards the good.

And so I think people with gluttony,

that's just the biggest purpose they have in life is eating.

They need to find a bigger purpose.

They need to want something more.

You know, there's an old story that physicians will sometimes tell.

And I've, I've told this before too, of a father who was addicted to smoking.

Okay.

And he had tried everything.

He tried patches.

He tried pills, all the things.

He just wasn't able to quit smoking.

And finally, his daughter came in one time and just said, Daddy, you know, I'd like you to quit smoking because I want you to be there for my wedding.

And I love you.

I don't want you to die.

And he said that that's what it took for him.

And then he didn't smoke again.

My point there is you have to find that why.

You have to find that thing that really, that you want more

than food.

Wow.

Did you hear that, dad?

That's what I say to you, too.

Yeah, my dad, too, who stops me and says I want you at my wedding, dad.

Irks me so much.

And my brothers.

Big smokers.

East Coast, Sylvania.

You know what I mean?

Oh, yeah.

Are you guys from New York or Jersey?

Yeah, she's from Boston.

I grew up in Connecticut.

Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Where are you from?

Because you said bagel before.

You said bagel?

Yeah.

No, I'm from Ohio.

Did you say bagel?

I'm not from the Cleveland.

They say it that way in Cleveland.

I'm from, I'm from Dayton, Dayton area.

We're going there at the end of next month for a tour.

Oh, amazing.

Yeah.

I say bagel too.

I love my Midwesterners.

My wife always gives me a hard time about it.

That's so funny.

Can we just talk about meat?

Because

do our bodies need meat?

So let's just,

let's just.

And what does the Bible say?

Let's go into what the Bible says.

And here's kind of the progression that I kind of see in the Bible.

We first see ourselves eating perennial plants in the garden, okay?

Fruits, nuts, those sort of things.

That's kind of the first thing, maybe certain vegetables.

The next thing we see is we have to till the land in the soil.

Okay.

So we see probably at that point, we're going to see some grains.

The next thing, though, in Genesis 9, 3.

God says to Noah and his sons,

now go and eat the things that creep and crawl on the ground to eat meat.

He tells them that in Genesis 9, 3.

And then later on, of course, we see kind of a whole nother level where Jesus and the apostles are saying, no, like, are it,

eat with intention, eat to glorify God.

And of course, also with that, then we have Moses there right before that.

So, but overall, I mean, the Bible, God approves it.

I mean, think about what all.

From my knowledge, all Jews ate meat.

I mean, because they were giving these sacrifices.

And also think about it like this, you know, when two angels and the angel of the Lord visited Abraham, he served them and they ate

meat and cheese curds and bread.

So, I mean, we see angels eating meat in the Bible.

Actually, I don't know.

Let me just correct myself.

I don't know if it says for sure they ate it, but they definitely got served it.

But overall, I mean, we see meat.

And Solomon, who's known as being the wisest person to ever live, maybe outside of Jesus, there's something called Solomon's Provisions.

We can all read about this in, I think it's in Kings.

And Solomon's provisions are

red meat, red meat, more red meat for the most part.

I mean, that's what he's eating daily

strategically.

And so, and there are a lot of foods today that I guess the world would say these foods aren't healthy.

Like, here's some.

Red meat.

I mean, a lot of people say don't eat red meat.

Yeah.

Bread.

Milk, like raw dairy, salt.

I mean, so, so there are, but these are the foods probably the most talked about along with a few others like olive oil in the bible and so it but it's all about living by design and if we're good stewards if we are stewarding over animals well and they are eating grass they're in the sun ideally they're slaughtered biblically all those things happening these foods are incredibly healing i mean i can't tell you how many women i've had come into my practice who have had were vegans or vegetarians

and they've developed major health issues because of it, especially B12 deficiencies, amino acid deficiencies, fatty acid deficiencies, struggling with things like infertility because of that.

So, so overall, from what I see, I think we're meant to eat meat for the most part.

Now,

have I seen people rarely be vegan and be healthy?

Yeah, but it's honestly, it's definitely rare.

It's not the majority of people I see.

So

it's not healthy to not have meat.

I don't think so.

Now, now, that's not to say, though, that there aren't periods of time like fasting, like doing a Daniel fast, or

here's one condition where I have people eat less meat, and it's cancer.

Now, I still have them do wild salmon and liver.

Those are the two things I have them do when they have it.

But outside of that, I have them do actually lower protein and meat intake and much higher vegetable

in those cases with cancer.

But for the most part,

I do think most people are meant to eat meat.

And, you know, when we read about these foods in the Bible, milk and bread are the greatest examples of this.

Yeah.

Those foods are so different than what we think of today, of milk and bread.

Bread today is like processed wheat that's been hybridized to be high in gluten with caramel coloring added and fake vitamins added.

That's terrible for your body.

The white flour products, of course, that's terrible for your body.

The ancient grain bread that we read about was sourdough or sprouted.

Right.

And it was ancient grains like an einkorn wheat.

This is much more nutrient dense.

And then when you sprout or ferment it, most people don't realize all grains have something called phytic acid.

And that's known as a mineral binder.

So minerals are all kind of bound up together in phytic acid.

So when you eat bread that's not sprouted or not sourdough, you're absorbing almost nothing in it.

Wow.

Literally almost nothing.

Versus if you sprout it, which is you lay the grains out, you get them wet and then lay them in the sun.

They sprout, kills off phytic acid.

Now you're able to absorb all those nutrients.

And that somebody that has celiac disease or inflammatory bowel disease, if they eat a healthy type of grain from sourdough bread they will have zero reactions wow versus if they eat regular bread they will have major inflammatory reactions so bread is different and then dairy is very different i mean dairy today when you pasteurize it you kill off all of the enzymes you kill off all the good bacteria and those enzymes are what help you break down you know um

lactose and the pro casein and all those proteins.

And so raw dairy that's fermented, and ideally, this is a whole nother thing.

It's called A2 casein.

It's the genetics of the cow.

If you're doing the ancient sort of milk and dairy that Jesus and all the, you know, all the people consumed during biblical times, it typically is a very healing food for most people.

Right, right, right.

So only raw milk on pasteurized.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's preferable.

Now, it's not to say that if you do one that's lightly, if you go to a convention, if you go to a health food store, you probably can buy some that are pasteurized and fermented, and they're not as good as raw, but they still can be beneficial.

So you probably can sometimes get it at some places.

So what, what should we stay away from?

What foods, obviously McDonald's guys.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Stay away.

But can you, man?

What should we stay away from?

And by the way, one thing I do want to say is that God made our bodies.

so incredible that we don't have to be perfect perfect yeah even to thrive

i mean so.

Or afraid.

Yeah, or afraid.

So if you have a vacation meal, you know, once a week on Sunday afternoons or Saturday nights, you'll be okay.

Yeah, yeah.

You'll be okay.

So I'm not saying you have to be perfect, but generally speaking, these are the things you want to stay away from.

Number one, the category of carbohydrates, processed carbohydrates.

I mean, it's, you know, it's all the stuff that's refined, all the fast food, but the potato chips, all those sort of things.

That isn't good.

The other thing I would say, and then of course, sugar, that would be the other thing.

Added sugar.

Sugar is fine.

Added sugar is not fine.

The naturally occurring sugar is fine.

Refined oils.

You know, a lot of these seed oils or even conventional animal products that are high in fat, those are not healthy because there's a, we've all heard the principle, you are what you eat, but really, you are what you eat, what they ate, right?

So if an animal eats grass, it's higher omega-3 fatty acids.

And that's really what you want.

And so

making sure the fat you're eating is clean.

You know, i would say that the in terms of macronutrients we most over consume carbohydrates and we most under consume protein and then followed by the right type of fatty acids and women for hormones specifically need a lot more healthy fats especially omega-3s being the most important so you know eating wild-caught salmon is probably the single best thing it is in reality for for most most people Yeah, getting those levels of omegas are so, so healing

for so many people, women as well.

and then after that after getting those omega-3s and then walnuts are good flax and chia can be great as well so getting more of those and it's not just salmon by the way it's sardines halibut mackerel there's a lot of fatty fish sea bass that have some good omegas in them and then after that extra virgin olive oil yeah it is still today the single best oil to consume yeah um in terms of cooking you can cook with it you can put it on salads whatever but that's number one and then i like coconut oil it's really good for the brain it's good for actually even killing some bad bacteria in the body that's another good one.

And I mentioned this earlier, olives look like ovaries.

Avocado is known, it's generally, it's said to look like a uterus.

And your avocado is very high in magnesium, potassium, and really unique monounsaturated fats that are good for hormonal health too.

So a lot of women, if they have hormonal problems, high protein, moderate fat.

not low carb, but just don't go overboard on carbs and choose your carbs selectively.

Like the best carbs for women tend to be like one talked talked about in the Bible is pomegranate.

Wow.

It is probably the number one longevity food that somebody could eat today.

Goes and runs and gets pomegranates.

Yeah, it's amazing.

Shutting mixation.

Pomegranates.

Yeah.

So pomegranates have this come out called olegic acid, which when you eat it, turns into something called urolithin A.

And it is known to help heal.

our mitochondria.

This is something in our cells that produce cellular energy, fuel our entire organs.

It's kind of like the batteries in your body.

Pomegranates help with those.

So pomegranates are amazing.

Berries of all kinds are amazing.

So if somebody's wanting to really get healthy, berries, pomegranates, followed by probably things like apples,

figs are amazing too.

I love figs.

Yeah.

So

that's another biblical food that's referenced constantly in the Bible as well.

And then last would be protein.

Again, I just think people,

more meat

for a lot of people.

No farm-raised salmon, right?

No, I mean, you're better off not doing farm.

Again, there's more toxins.

They have less omega-3s.

Now, some people do what they call sustainable farming, which is not as bad.

Yeah.

But anytime you can, you want to try and do the wild cot.

Okay, can we talk about protein intake and how much protein you're supposed to have?

Have you ever heard of people saying that like your body weight is how many grams of protein?

So my boyfriend and his best friend are like, basically, we're on this journey.

Nothing heals a girl's relationship with food other than Jesus, obviously, than guys.

Because guys just like are like they eat intuitively they don't think about it and it's so healing to be around them because it's like you guys just like eat and you don't really think about it you just and they eat really healthy but so we're on a journey where they're kind of like holding me accountable and so I have like check-ins every day did I hit my protein goal all the things

So they have suggested, I hope they're doing it right because this is on camera, but they've suggested to eat my body weight in protein in grams.

I think for many people, that's correct.

Yeah.

I don't think it's everybody, but I think that's correct.

Again, just going back to this again, I'm very much listen to your body.

Let's find what's right for you.

But I would say that that's probably correct.

So, like, you know, you're trying to get 30 grams of protein three times daily-ish, like in that range.

So I would say it's 0.8 to one for

someone like you, probably.

That would be about ideal.

So I agree with that.

Now, now with that, as well, you're going to get even greater benefits if you're exercising with it.

But I think just for everybody, that's that's about that's about right since i upping my protein which i like naturally i pretty much essentially eat just protein but like even upping it and trying to hit that goal every single day i have been so much stronger in my workouts like a significant difference yeah and i thought that like eating carbs was more important if i wanted to be strong or energizing my workouts and the protein i can't even believe how fast lagri pilates flies by these days because i feel a lot stronger oh yeah yeah So for a lot of people, and what happens is this is why breakfast is really important to get your protein there as well.

Cause I think that's where most people skip it the most.

So I mentioned that smoothie I have people do earlier.

And in the book, by the way, we've got, I think, about 40, 20, 40 recipes in there where we'll get into some of those.

That's great.

But I try and have people do about maybe 30 grams, 40 grams of maybe carbs, but then about that same amount or more protein in the morning.

And again, collagen, bone broth protein, 10 to 20 grams, and then sometimes about 30 grams of a plant.

Or it doesn't have to be a plant protein.

It could be a way if people tolerate it that well.

And I like animal protein, beef protein.

So it just, people need to listen.

I like egg protein.

I think it just depends on what somebody's body does well with.

Yeah.

But yeah, high, high-protein breakfast.

And then ideally, it's spread out like you're saying, 30 to 40 grams three times a day.

would be perfect.

I love that.

Yeah.

If you were to eat a dessert, what are you going to eat?

I dessert almost every day.

What, what's a good dessert?

Cause I love dessert.

Yeah.

So I, so, so a few things.

I mean, now here's a simple one.

And this is not very

glamorous, but yeah, dark chocolate, 70%.

Just doing a few.

I mean, that, that's a great thing for people.

I think something that if you want to do something that's very healthy, you can use a lot of these flavored protein powders that have monk fruit or stevia or or allulose or those sort of sweeteners in them.

And like, so sometimes what I'll do is I'll take like some chocolate protein powder that I'm doing and I'll mix it with

avocado or coconut milk.

Yeah.

And just do a little bit of a shake.

Like that's a really good one.

A little coconut milk with

some chocolate protein powder.

But outside of that, I mean, we're dessert people.

We do chocolate chip cookies.

We do a mixture of almond flour and oat flour.

And we use coconut oil.

Some people could do grass-fed butter.

We do these, you know, dark chocolate chips from Hugh Kitchen

and then pasture-raised eggs.

And then sweetener, sometimes if we don't want any sugar, we add in vanilla protein powder and then sometimes some honey.

Yeah.

And that's what we do.

So we do brownies in a very similar way.

We do ice cream.

There's a brand we like.

It's got a bear on it.

I'm trying to remember what it's called now.

I know what you're talking about.

But they're using, it's four ingredients.

It's super clean.

And they're using honey as a sweetener.

And that's amazing.

That's what I've been doing.

And I love it.

Using honey as sweetener.

That's a good bust.

Okay.

Yeah.

And honey's amazing.

Of course, in Proverbs, it does say, you know, have a little bit, not too much.

Right.

So you could do a tablespoon.

That's fine.

But doing more than that's probably going to be too much for your blood sugar to handle.

Oh, yeah.

Good to know.

And the other thing is adding in herbs and spicy, like up until 100 years ago.

And this is.

Maybe it's 150 years ago here, but in other areas of the world, this has always been true.

If you went into a pharmacy,

there was no such thing as drugs.

Or if we would go back and open like King David's medicine cabinet or Esther's or, you know, what you would have found is herbs, spices, essential oils, and maybe glanuls.

Like those were what people used as actual medicine.

And today in the United States, we don't use herbs very often, right?

Like I remember growing up, we had some friends from India that lived next door.

Like they were always using a lot of herbs and spices.

And if you go to Italy today, you're going to see the same thing, loads and loads of herbs and spices.

These are medicine.

I mean, they're powerful.

So I think people need to get more in the habit of, as you know, you and I talked about this, loading up on cinnamon and ginger and cardamom and those sort of things in your breakfast smoothie, using lots of rosemary, lots of basil.

Not only do things taste better, but they're very medicinal and healing for the body.

And it clears up the whole gut, right?

It does.

And the other thing, too, we're so used to drinking a lot of like cold, iced drinks, fizzy things, like all the time.

If you look at Chinese medicine, Ayurveda, or even certain areas of Europe today, herbal tea is incredibly healing for people.

In fact, when people took medicine, even in Japan today, think about this.

This blows my mind.

As of last month, Japan has 95,000 centurions.

So they have 95,000 people that are living to be, that are over 100 years old in that tiny country.

Yeah.

Because of the tea?

Well, I think that's part of it.

They're the greatest consumers of green tea, I think, per capita of anywhere.

So they're drinking herbal tea all day long, and that's keeping their blood sugar more balanced.

It's antioxidants to slow aging.

It's incredibly beneficial.

Wow.

So I think about my family's Albanian and like the whole diet that you described, that's the best, like the good bread, the milk, the honey, the meats, all of Albania, like they, and I'm sure like all of Eastern Europe, it's farm to table.

And it's all those things that you described that here in America, we say like bad.

We want alternatives.

You can't have bread.

You can't have milk.

You can't have honey.

Like, but they live so long in Albania.

Like, they literally live the longest lives.

And they don't have like really pharmaceuticals.

They don't have all these resources.

And they have all, like, you should hear the things my mom tells me to do when I'm like sick or have something.

It's all like holistic, herb-centered medicinal stuff.

And they, their,

you know, resource is never big pharma.

It's never like, go take an Advil or go take this.

Like, there's always an option before that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, part of it has to do.

So

in our our Western society today, one of the things that's happened is we've sort of taken,

it's very individualistic, and we've sort of separated spirit and physicality as well.

That's one thing that's happened.

The United States ranks right now, I want to say in quality of health,

number 70 in the world.

I mean, think about how bad that is.

In life expectancy, it's either around, it's somewhere between 50 and 70.

So it's very, so we're very, very far back.

So if somebody thinks, oh, the United States is the best in the world in healthcare, no, we're like 70th.

We're one of the worst.

We have the best emergency system.

So if you, if you need, if you're in a car accident and you need your life saved, we are the best in the world probably, or we're in the top five.

But when it comes to overall healthcare and being healthy, we are so far back.

Japan is ranked

number one or number two.

And again, they are

their type of medicine, they do something called compo there.

It's kind of a, it's kind of a fusion of sort of integrated functional medicine and Chinese Chinese medicine.

So it's very much focused on like one of the prescriptions they have for people is if you're not feeling well, go spend time in nature for two hours.

We call it, they call it forest bathing.

Wow.

And so just go there, listen to the sounds, listen to the waterfalls, listen to nature.

You know, so it's,

yeah, we do not have the bell heliter here.

It's very poor.

You know, what's interesting is like you think about just like the world of instant gratification that we live in, like how I talked about in Albania, like they don't have the resources that we have.

So they can't just grab for an Advil or whatever.

And then so they will like be patient and look for something holistic and all that stuff.

Whereas I know a lot of Albanians, they come to America and then they see this world of the pharmaceutical and they're like, like my mom's purse is a pharmacy.

Like you need it.

She's got an Advil, Ibuprofit.

Like she had Benadryl.

She has everything because it's just so accessible.

And like we hate being patient.

And I just think it's so interesting if you think about Jesus and how he like, he invites us to be slow and still and like not

go for the instant gratification.

I imagine like he's so much more pleased with the holistic approach when we just wait and we're patient.

This is so good.

You know, I have a, you know, Dallas Jenkins, he does the chosen.

He's coming on my podcast next month and he's become a friend.

And he was doing a, I watched a, this was an episode.

Well, just the chosen series in general.

It's the best.

When you watch, it is the best.

It's my favorite show of all time.

Yeah, too.

I'm actually,

I think at least the first three seasons, I cried every episode.

Me too.

I just was like so touched the whole time.

But when I think about, I feel like, you know, he's brought in like numerous theologians and people and historians to try and be as accurate as possible to sort of the life of Jesus and the, and the disciples and what was going on in that day.

And one thing you never see.

is Jesus rushing.

Yeah.

He's never rushing anywhere.

You know, when I think about one of the single biggest reasons why people are sick today, it's because they, from the moment they wake up to the moment they go to bed, their schedule is packed with, with, with,

with something.

And, you know, I think part of it has to do with Western society in terms of what we deem success is.

And it's getting a lot of stuff done.

It's productivity.

And like, that's so anti-Bible.

Jesus is like, you know, he like

the Bible really says you're successful based on who you become.

Yeah.

Are you becoming like Christ?

Yeah.

Not what you're accomplishing.

And so I think there are so many things today we feel like, and a lot of this has to do with like childhood wounds and feeling like, oh, well, my parents or somebody applauded me for this thing.

And like we want to be, like, we want to be recognized.

We want to be significant, but we're going about it in the wrong way.

Totally.

Yeah.

Can I ask your opinion on just like

miraculous healing?

Because as we talk about like the resources that people have, I think about the church here

in the West versus versus the church in other places in the world like India, Pakistan, and here in the Middle East.

And you see miraculous healings take place.

Like it's not even like people who do missions in other countries in the Middle East.

Like you see that they don't even, it's like, it's not a surprise.

It's not a shock.

They see blind eyes open.

They see cancer healed, tumors removed on a daily and they're not shocked by these things.

Whereas in the West, it's like it's really hard to hear about those stories.

And we know that it's because the desperation in areas in the world where they don't have the medicine that we do, our medicine and our healing is just a grab away.

Whereas they have to rely on God.

Like they're desperate for a miracle, whereas we have everything we could ever need and God doesn't even have room in our lives.

So I'm curious, just your opinion on that and what you think about miracle healings.

Jesus is the same God yesterday, today, and tomorrow.

He still heals.

He still performs miracles.

I think the reason reason we see them less in the Western world today is we have science has become a God.

Yeah.

And it has actually harmed our faith because we always feel like we have to figure out how it works.

And I think thinking through that or all of those things versus just

believing that Jesus can heal you right now.

You know, I've been really blessed to be able to take some mission trips to China, to Ethiopia, to Uganda,

and

see some miracles.

You You know, I have a friend of mine.

I don't even know who Heidi Baker.

She is.

I love Heidi so much.

She talks about Heidi Baker.

Hella.

I love Heidi.

She's the most amazing person ever.

So, and

I've had a lot of conversations with her because they're doing some regenerative farming, growing moringa trees, a number of things.

And it's so awesome.

And I'll tell you, kind of just,

so I had, and I don't think I told you guys this.

I could touch on this in the book, but three years ago, I had an injury that left me unable to walk for a year.

Yeah, I went in for just a real simple procedure.

It was a natural procedure to get stem cells.

And something went wrong during the procedure.

And over the next months, I felt worse and worse and worse.

My wife and I were in Puerto Rico and our girls.

And one day I woke up and I just could not walk.

Like the pain was so excruciating, had to call an ambulance.

They picked me up, brought me to the hospital, got an MRI, came back, said I had an infection, something called osteomelitis, where an infection had gotten into my disc.

It was then in my bone

and by my spinal cord.

I had to take a medical flight, like put me on a gurney.

Wow.

Put me on a flight, went to Florida, and an infectious disease doctor told me,

Josh, you could die from this.

The best case scenario is you're going to have chronic pain every day, the rest of your life.

He said, most likely, though, you're going to be permanently disabled.

Wow.

This is for me three years ago.

And I was fit.

I was healthy.

I just was going for something real simple.

And

for 48 hours, I felt like my life was over.

And then I just really pressed into God and was like, God, I just, I need you.

And he just said, like, I, you know, sometimes you just kind of hear that still small voice.

And it was like, he's like, just, just walk with me through this.

You'll be okay.

And so I said, you know, I'm not going to listen to this doctor in terms of this diagnosis.

Yeah.

I'm going to listen to God.

And I just started doing everything I could.

And I started doing hyperbaric chamber every day, vitamin IVs and something called methylene blue and silver and ozone, all kinds of things, eating very well.

The other thing I did, though, was every day I had people praying for me.

And Heidi heard about it.

Heidi messaged me.

And she's like, I want to pray for you.

So multiple times, you know, Heidi is just praying the most incredible prayers over me.

And I didn't see that miraculous, like all of a sudden, like

my health was completely restored.

But right now, I'm 100% again.

I don't have chronic pain the rest of my life.

I'm able to like throw my, you know, five-year-old daughter in the air in the pool.

And if I want to do triathlon, squat, deadlift, all those things.

And even though that miracle didn't happen in that moment, to me, it was just an incredible miracle.

Just thinking about it, too.

Like, I was praying for something and somebody called me like, yeah, the next day, like, I have this thing you should do.

And it was like such a game changer for me, fully healing, like those sort of things.

Yeah.

So, but in addition, I do believe in a found, like, I want to say, my,

so Jordan Rubin, um, who I wrote the book with, he was diagnosed with testicular cancer.

And his doctor told him, if you don't do chemotherapy, you will die.

He told him that you will die.

What stage was he at?

Four.

I mean, it was like deadly, super aggressive testicular cancer.

And

here's what he did.

And this is so amazing to me.

Jordan is such an amazing person.

He got down on his hands and knees right when the doctor left the room and he quoted Job

and he said, naked I came into this world, naked I will leave, you know, blessed be the name of the Lord.

And he just committed to

praying every day and just following a biblically based diet and he's completely cured.

That was that was 14 years ago.

Wow.

And I just think that

when we're sick,

even in the church today, we don't we typically don't pray first.

I mean,

you know, the book of James is so clear about this.

It's like, if you're sick, go to the elders of the church, have them

lay their hands on you, and have them pray for you for healing, have them anoint your head with oil, and you will be made well.

Yeah.

And, you know, it's,

yeah.

So the Bible's pretty clear.

This is all

we got to do.

It's everything.

You're amazing.

You're an amazing.

You're awesome.

We are so blessed for you today.

Really?

Thank you so much.

This was so helpful.

Again, holistic.

Big picture.

You hit everything.

This is phenomenal.

Yeah.

Where can everyone?

Okay, we have the biblio diet.

We're going to put in the description links to get your book.

Can you tell us what else you have going on?

What if

somebody wants to have a conversation with you?

What if they want to do work with you?

Yeah, so I have an online practice.

I want to be clear, like.

I don't see people individually, but I have a team of practitioners that I've trained and that I do group calls once a week once somebody's under care where people can ask me questions.

So that's at the Health Institute if anybody needs help with their health there.

And the other thing is,

yeah, I would say, yeah, the book, it's the biblio diet, healing secrets of the Bible.

There we really get into like, what does a biblical diet look like?

What did Jesus eat?

What did Solomon eat?

Like, how do you pray for healing?

Yeah.

Like, like, what, you know, what does that look like?

I mean, you guys teach people how to do this in such an amazing way too, but we really get into how to pray, how to eat the herbs, all those sort of things to do to heal biblically.

And then I have a podcast, which, by the way, I would really love to have you guys on here when you're in Nashville.

And it's just called the Dr.

Josh Act Show, and we cover a lot of health and also biblical principles and ideas there, too.

We'd be honored.

But I'm such huge fans of yours.

You all have created such an amazing movement

of just turning to Jesus.

And I think one of the things I so respect about what you guys have done is just there's a level of honesty, vulnerability, and

yeah, just, but just also just pursuing Jesus, you know, and making him first.

And I think, again, if that's my biggest message in health is, you know,

Jesus can cure fear, anxiety, worry,

cancer, IBD, PCOS, every single condition.

And of course, you want to follow the diet.

We were called to honor God with our bodies, but more than anything, our spiritual health

and Jesus himself.

well,

he's the healer.

Yes.

Yes.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

You know, what's really special about you too is oftentimes when people are so smart and they have so much knowledge and they know so much and they are a doctor, it's really easy to not be like that child that God, you know, that Jesus tells us to be to enter into the kingdom.

And for you to have all the knowledge and all the information that you do and to still put Jesus above, like you have not made your doctor in front of your name your God.

You have not made all that you know your God.

Very special, very impressive.

You're a very special person.

And thank you for all you've done for me on my health journey oh you're welcome we'll do ourselves thanks so much thanks for having me this is so far

thank you all right guys get the book it's a home hitter we love you may the lord bless you and keep you may he make his face to shine upon you and be gracious to you may he turn his face towards you and give you peace shalom shalom

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