US exempts Hungary from Russian oil sanctions

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Speaker 1 This is the Global News Podcast from the BBC World Service.

Speaker 1 I'm Alex Ritson, and in the early hours of Saturday, the 8th of November, these are our main stories.

Speaker 1 Hungary says it's been given a full and unlimited exemption from US sanctions on Russian oil imports.

Speaker 1 Republican senators failed to overcome the impasse overpaying essential federal workers like air traffic controllers during the US government shutdown.

Speaker 1 And the Nobel Prize-winning scientist James Watson, who co-discovered the structure of DNA, has died at the age of 97.

Speaker 1 Also in this podcast.

Speaker 8 You don't want to be the one stranded there, you don't want to be the one that's left there because you're too heavy to be lifted out.

Speaker 1 Offshore oil workers are told to lose weight or risk losing their jobs.

Speaker 1 Last month, in a bid to help end the war in Ukraine, President Trump effectively blacklisted two of Russia's largest oil companies, threatening sanctions on those that buy from them.

Speaker 1 This caused a headache for, among others, one of Mr. Trump's closest allies in Europe, the Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban.

Speaker 1 Most of his country's energy imports come from Russia, due, he claims, to Hungary being landlocked.

Speaker 1 But following a meeting between the two leaders at the White House, it's been confirmed that Budapest has been given a one-year exemption from the sanctions.

Speaker 1 Ahead of the meeting, President Trump gave his reasons why it was something he was considering.

Speaker 9 They don't have sea, they don't have the ports, and so they have a difficult problem.

Speaker 9 But when you look at what's happened with Europe, many of those countries, they don't have those problems, and they buy a lot of oil and gas from Russia. And as they know, I'm very disturbed by that.

Speaker 1 Our correspondent, Nick Thorpe, is in the Hungarian capital, Budapest.

Speaker 6 This is about two pipelines in particular.

Speaker 6 Hungary is dependent on Russian oil from the Druzhba, the Friendship pipeline coming from the east, and on gas, again Russian gas, coming through the Turkstream pipeline up through the Balkans to Hungary.

Speaker 6 And what apparently has happened, exactly what Prime Minister Orban wanted to happen, that thanks to this special friendship he has with Donald Trump, he's backed him in both terms in office, Mr.

Speaker 6 Trump has agreed that Hungary has little other option or few other cheap options and has allowed Hungary an exemption from

Speaker 6 general American sanctions that were announced just a week or so ago on the two big Russian oil companies, Lukoil and Rosneft.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because these sanctions were put in place because President Trump has long blamed European countries for buying oil from Russia, thus ultimately funding the war in Ukraine.

Speaker 1 If he makes this exception for Hungary, what does that say?

Speaker 6 Well, Hungary aids a year in trade with Russia approximately $5 billion.

Speaker 6 So since the start of the war or the full-scale Russian invasion, that's close to $15 billion dollars over those three years.

Speaker 6 Of course, Hungary is a relatively small country in the bigger picture of things. A lot of Russian oil is sent around the world as seaborne oil, so not coming through a pipeline.

Speaker 6 So Hungary is in a slightly different situation to many countries around the world, and presumably the American sanctions will stay in place on those seaborne supplies.

Speaker 6 Also, we don't know many details yet about the form in which this exemption will take. Another big question on all of this is

Speaker 6 America agreed in the deal signed today to sell much more LNG, liquefied natural gas, to Hungary.

Speaker 6 One might ask, if Hungary continues to get, as it says, cheap Russian gas through the Turkstream pipeline, why would it agree to buy large amounts of American gas as well?

Speaker 1 President Trump has an interesting relationship with Viktor Orbán of Hungary, doesn't he?

Speaker 1 He was full of praise for Hungary's immigration policy.

Speaker 6 President Trump praised Viktor Orbán to the skies, really, as a great man, as a great leader for getting migration policies right.

Speaker 6 This is a reference, obviously, to Viktor Orbán being the first country, or one of the first countries in Europe, to build a large border fence back in 2015 to try to limit the flow of irregular migration up through the Balkans.

Speaker 6 There were many parallels at the time with the wall that President Trump was reinforcing along the US border with Mexico. So these are men with similar sort of political instincts, similar

Speaker 6 habit of identifying enemies, migrants coming to take American jobs or Hungarian or European jobs. So there's always been a lot of sort of body language between the two and Mr.

Speaker 6 Orban clearly trying to cash in on this, because one should remember now that we're just five months ahead of a crucial election here in Hungary, and Mr. Orban is trailing in the opinion polls.

Speaker 8 Nick Thorpe.

Speaker 1 Yet another attempt to end the US government shutdown after a record 38 days has not succeeded. A vote in the Senate again failed to pass.

Speaker 1 The proposed measure would have provided immediate compensation for some 2 million civilian and military employees who've been obliged to work without pay.

Speaker 1 Democrats opposed the partial pay plan, saying it was a tactic to prolong the shutdown without addressing their demands for health care and social funding protection.

Speaker 1 The Republican Congressman Don Bacon is from Nebraska.

Speaker 1 He's not standing for re-election next year, so perhaps he's able to be a little more candid in his assessment of how his party and his president are handling the situation.

Speaker 10 Well, it's disgusting. It's embarrassing that the United States government is so dysfunctional that this is happening.

Speaker 10 Obviously, the Democrats in the Senate have filibustered the funding of all these programs because they want concessions.

Speaker 10 Concessions, by the way, that many Republicans are willing to work with them on. But this is really more of a fight against President Trump.
But unfortunately, we're losing flights.

Speaker 10 We've had airports closing. We have 42 million Americans who are losing SNAP benefits.
1.4 million federal workers who aren't being paid. I think it's a very disgusting time.

Speaker 1 One of the most severely affected areas has been transportation, with some 1,200 domestic flights being cancelled because of a shortage of air traffic controllers. I asked our U.S.

Speaker 1 correspondent, David Willis, why the Republicans appeared unable to solve the standoff, given that they control both houses and the presidency.

Speaker 11 Very good question, Alex. And as you say, this is now officially the longest government shutdown in American history, 38 days and still, it would seem, no end in sight.

Speaker 11 The Democrats are demanding an extension of health care subsidies for low-income Americans. They're concerned about cuts that are proposed to health care programs.

Speaker 11 And currently, such subsidies are due to expire at the end of this year, and that would raise premium costs for millions of people here.

Speaker 11 Republicans have consistently said that they won't negotiate on those sort of demands until the government here is reopened.

Speaker 11 And a Republican bill to extend government funding has been rejected by the Democratic opposition no fewer than 14 times.

Speaker 11 Well, earlier today, as you mentioned, Alex, the Republican leader in the Senate, John Thune, rejected a new offer by the Democrats to reopen the government in exchange for a one-year extension of those health care subsidies.

Speaker 11 He called such a move a non-starter.

Speaker 11 President President Trump has called for an end to the shutdown.

Speaker 11 He said today that members of the Senate should stay in Washington over the weekend and indeed until such time as they reach a solution to this crisis.

Speaker 11 And he's also called for the legislative filibuster, which requires 60 Senate votes in order to pass most legislation to be scrapped, thus allowing Republicans to bypass Democrats altogether in this regard.

Speaker 11 But Republicans so far in the Senate have rejected that call.

Speaker 1 Republicans, of course, did poorly on Tuesday in a number of regional elections. Can we conclude that Americans are perhaps blaming them more than the Democrats for this shutdown?

Speaker 11 I think that's fair to say, and certainly opinion polls tend to suggest that. And there does seem to be perhaps more at stake for the Republicans in this than there is for the Democrats.

Speaker 11 And normal life in the meantime is being disrupted considerably for people here. Food aid for 42 million low-income Americans has been placed in jeopardy.

Speaker 11 Judges ordered the Trump administration to fund the $4 billion shortfall in those sort of benefits. But the administration has asked the Supreme Court to overturn such an order.

Speaker 11 So a lot of questions there. Airlines, as you mentioned, Alex, have cut more than a thousand flights because of the shutdown, because of failure to pay air traffic controllers for nearly a month.

Speaker 11 They're staying at home in many cases. And it's expected there could be more cancellations next week as those controllers miss a second paycheck.

Speaker 1 David Willis.

Speaker 1 James Watson, one of the scientists who discovered the structure of DNA, has died. He was 97.

Speaker 1 In 1953, Watson, an American and a British scientist, Francis Crick, identified that the DNA molecule is shaped in a double helix, which resembles a spiral staircase.

Speaker 1 Their model showed how the molecule could duplicate itself, store biological information, and be used to make a living organism.

Speaker 1 The breakthrough paved the way for advances in genetics, medicine, and forensics. Watson, Crick, and another scientist, Morris Wilkins, shared the Nobel Prize.

Speaker 1 Speaking on the BBC World Service in 2010, James Watson said the discovery surprised him and Crick.

Speaker 12 I don't think it was intellectually that clever.

Speaker 12 We were just there at the right time. And I've told Francis if we were chemists, we would have found it in six weeks at most.
And I was an

Speaker 12 ex-bird watcher, and he was a physicist. And so neither of us knew the chemistry that we should know.
And

Speaker 12 when you think back, well, why didn't a chemist do it?

Speaker 1 But James Watson was also controversial.

Speaker 1 He often disparaged female scientists, including Rosalind Franklin, who he and Crick didn't credit, even though they used her work to make their modelling possible.

Speaker 1 And in 2007 Watson was quoted as saying that he was inherently gloomy of the prospects for Africans as their intelligence, he said, was not the same as other races.

Speaker 1 He later apologised and said there was no scientific basis for such a belief. Celia Hatton has been speaking to Nancy Hopkins, a professor of genetics who was a student and friend of James Watson.

Speaker 13 Oh, well, he changed my life.

Speaker 13 In addition to changing the entire world and the future of science, I met him when I took a class as an undergraduate at Harvard University and I heard him talk and one hour later I knew I'd found the purpose of my life and wanted to be a molecular biologist.

Speaker 13 And I was lucky enough to go and work in his laboratory and we became friends and he became my mentor and friend for life. So I was very lucky.

Speaker 14 We've just heard that James Watson didn't really rate his discovery at the time that he made it. But how important was the discovery of DNA?

Speaker 13 How important was it? Well, it was one of the considered three most important discoveries really made in biology. There was Darwin, there was Mendel, and then there was Jim Watson and Francis Grick.

Speaker 13 And of course, the others who worked with them. So it's so profound it's hard even to grasp.
But it really was the secret of life. They really did discover the secret of life.

Speaker 13 So I think he sounded a little modest for Jim in those comments, too, frankly. A little uncharacteristic.

Speaker 14 I mean, indeed, he was accused of not sharing the credit enough for discovering DNA. Is that fair?

Speaker 13 Ah, such a fascinating question. There's been a lot written about it.

Speaker 13 I think that today it might have been done differently, but I think in that era, they were young, highly driven, and the circumstances were very odd.

Speaker 13 And the other person who made such a critical contribution was a woman, and women tended to be omitted from getting credit. So I think it looked very different back then.

Speaker 13 But they certainly did lean upon the data that came from Rosalind Franklin and from Wilkins, her collaborator.

Speaker 13 Today, probably her name might have been on the paper, or there would have been two Nobel Prizes, and one for Wilkins and Franklin, and one for Watson and Crick.

Speaker 13 But, you know, it was a different era, and it's still much debated of how it should have played out.

Speaker 14 And James Watson is celebrated for his scientific work, but he also voiced some very controversial views in his later years.

Speaker 14 For example, he argued that embryo screening and genetic engineering should be used to improve the health of the population. What do you make of that?

Speaker 13 Well, I feel, in a way, as a good friend who cared so much about him and whose life was inspired by him, you know, I wish that he could have been remembered for the science that literally changed the world, truly affects everybody's life, and not for these views where I really think he's overstepped the line.

Speaker 1 Professor Nancy Hopkins on James Watson. In an earlier edition of the podcast, we told you how the world's richest man, Elon Musk, is set to become even richer.

Speaker 1 Tesla shareholders have approved an astonishing pay package that could make the electric car company's founder and CEO a trillionaire.

Speaker 1 But he does need to hit certain performance targets for the company company to get it. Among them, he has to sell 1 million AI humanoid robots.

Speaker 1 Promotional videos show the robots doing household tasks, including mopping floors and washing dishes.

Speaker 1 Something you might be asking: does anyone really want a human-shaped, human-sized robot performing tasks inside their home? A question for Alan Fern, Professor of Robotics at Oregon State University.

Speaker 17 I think all of us would be ready to have a robot that will do all of our chores. I don't think the technology is quite there yet.

Speaker 17 We can get robots to dance and do acrobatics and do very repetitive tasks that we teach them to do with lots and lots of training data.

Speaker 17 But going into an arbitrary home and being able to fill the dishwasher and clean your messy house, I think we're quite a few years away from that general capability.

Speaker 17 But I think, yeah, we're definitely on the road there. I think the first customers will be more industrial customers.
So, probably Tesla will be able to use them themselves.

Speaker 17 They'll be able to train the robots to do certain tasks in their factories.

Speaker 17 You can imagine warehouses where you can have robots that are doing relatively repetitive things, moving boxes around in relatively structured ways, and they can be trained to do that.

Speaker 17 So, I think those will be the first applications. But, my ideal vision is:

Speaker 17 we have a hard time getting enough people for the labor jobs we have now. We'd love to be able to build a lot more, a lot faster than we can now.

Speaker 17 I imagine a future where you have one worker who's doing the actual tasks now,

Speaker 17 managing a team of 10 robots doing that task.

Speaker 17 That's the vision that I have. We'll accelerate our productivity, and that's usually been good for society over the years.

Speaker 17 Getting them in the homes, I think there's a lot of challenges, both safety-wise and also just technologically being able to have the intelligence in these robots that will handle all the diversity of tasks they need to do.

Speaker 1 Alan Fern, Professor of Robotics at Oregon State University.

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Speaker 1 Last week's election in Tanzania was criticized by observers and branded a sham by the opposition.

Speaker 1 The Tanzanian Electoral Commission declared that President Samir Suluhu Hassan won with a whopping 98% of the vote, cementing her party's decades-long hold on power.

Speaker 1 But many Tanzanians were unhappy that the opposition was barred from taking part and took to the streets.

Speaker 1 Some reports suggest 800 people died in the ensuing crackdown, though the government says the figure is exaggerated.

Speaker 1 Now, the authorities are charging at least 240 people with treason for their alleged involvement in the protest.

Speaker 1 Oliver Conway heard more about the events of last week from our reporter, Anita Nkongay.

Speaker 22 What proceeded to happen after the general elections was that many Tanzanians across the country went out onto the streets to protest what they were saying was a rigged election.

Speaker 22 If you remember, President Samir Sulu Hassan was the main candidate running for the elections, and two of the main opposition leaders, one had been barred from vying and the other is currently in prison being charged with treason.

Speaker 22 And so, what a lot of those who are protesting and also opposition critics have been saying is that that election was never democratic. It was a mockery of democracy.

Speaker 23 And it was a very violent day.

Speaker 22 It was. It was a very violent day.
And it proceeded for three more days where there was a crackdown on protesters.

Speaker 22 We have heard reports from opposition members who claim that hundreds of people lost their lives during the protest demanding for electoral reforms.

Speaker 22 We have also heard of videos of killings and police brutality emerging on social media, but the BBC has not been able to verify the numbers of those people who are killed or the videos either.

Speaker 22 But we do understand that it was a very, very violent couple of days.

Speaker 23 So, according to the opposition, the violence was meted out by the authorities, but by the government's actions, it looks like they're pinning the blame on the protesters with all these arrests.

Speaker 22 Yes, they were. President Samir Sulu Hassan, during her speech, even went as far as claiming that it was foreigners who had come in to try to instigate and cause disruption in the country.

Speaker 23 And tell us more about these charges.

Speaker 22 Well, we do know that right now it's 240 Tanzanians. We do not know if there'll be more arrested or more who will come up in court, but we know that so far it's more than 200.

Speaker 22 And they've been charged with treason from a Tanzanian magistrate court.

Speaker 22 According to the charge sheets, the accused are alleged of having incited public demonstrations at various times with the intention of obstructing the general election that took place.

Speaker 22 Many of them actually are young TikTokers, prominent businesswomen and men, all who have been very open about how they feel about the government, which is critical.

Speaker 23 And what is the mood in Tanzania following all that violence and the election results?

Speaker 22 Well, to be honest, shock and fear. We have been getting reports of people who are trying to look for their family members.

Speaker 22 Some of their family members are missing and they're not quite sure how to trace them. Lots of questions.

Speaker 22 I think it's important to add that Tanzania is a multi-party democracy, but over the years, the country has seen an increased crackdown on anyone who opposes the government, from opposition leaders to government critics and citizens who oppose the government.

Speaker 22 So I believe what's going on in Tanzania is a very tense time right now.

Speaker 1 Anita McOnge.

Speaker 1 New Zealand's former Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern, a special envoy for Oceania at this year's COP climate summit, has warned that inaction and political division risk the survival of entire nations in the Pacific.

Speaker 1 Speaking to the BBC in Brazil, she called on leaders to take politics out of the debate on climate change.

Speaker 5 Without significant change, you run the risk of a planet that's so warm that people will die from heat. But that is actually the consequence of indecision and inaction.

Speaker 5 There should be no politics in that. It should be much more straightforward.
So, to any politician, I would say endeavour to take the politics out because that is only holding us back.

Speaker 1 The Pacific Island nation of Palau is one of those smaller countries that would be adversely affected. It's made up of 340 low-lying coral and volcanic islands and is home to just 17,000 people.

Speaker 1 Celia Hatton has been speaking with Palau's president, Sir Angel Whipps, who's in Brazil, and asked him to explain what's at stake for his country.

Speaker 24 Well, we have islands that will disappear.

Speaker 24 We have food resources, which are our taro swamps, will be inundated with seawater and people living along the coast of our main islands will be deeply impacted.

Speaker 24 We have loss of life when it comes to fish and corals and jellyfish, all

Speaker 24 important to our biodiversity and important to the tourism industry that we have. The reality is the increasing number of storms, drought, and extreme heat.

Speaker 24 This is just what we are already facing and we just continue to face even more frequently.

Speaker 14 So what are you hoping to get out of this COP summit? Some small island states say they're not attending because of the expense, but you've obviously decided it's worth it to a certain degree.

Speaker 4 What are you hoping to achieve?

Speaker 24 Well, we need to see tangible results, and that includes a credible pathway to limit warming to 1.5.

Speaker 24 We need all countries submitting and implementing highly ambitious national commitments. Right now, only one-third have submitted.
We need more.

Speaker 24 We also need climate finance that delivers an adequately funded loss and damage facility.

Speaker 24 There needs to be multi-year flows that enable us to plan for resilience, adaptation, and manage relocation where necessary. And all this must be done with urgency and integrity.

Speaker 24 You know, at COP30, the world must show that it does recognize our special circumstances and is ready to honor the decades of promises. You know, that's what it's been.

Speaker 24 You know, know, this year, it's 10 years since we all committed to 1.5.

Speaker 24 And really, anything less would be a betrayal on the most vulnerable.

Speaker 4 Trevor Burrus, Jr.: You're strategically quite an important country, aren't you?

Speaker 14 You're geographically closer to China than any other Pacific Island nation. You also have a really good relationship with the United States.

Speaker 14 But you differ when it comes to the Trump administration and their position, their their lack of faith in the Paris Agreement,

Speaker 14 how do you handle that divergence?

Speaker 24 Aaron Powell, well, you know, and that's the beauty of the world that we live in. I mean, we're democracies, we're

Speaker 24 free to have differing opinions.

Speaker 14 But in this case, that difference of opinion really threatens your country. I mean, if they don't support this massive emitter of greenhouse gases, it doesn't fall in line to support any change.

Speaker 24 Aaron Trevor Brandon, and that just means that we we have to work even harder.

Speaker 24 And, you know, one of the things that we're working hard on is to ensure that next year we have a cop in the Pacific, a COP in Australia to bring the focus to the Pacific because for so long, the focus doesn't go to those that are most vulnerable.

Speaker 24 And having an Australian cop, a Pacific COP, brings that focus there. I'd like to bring leaders to the Pacific that have those doubts because I think seeing is believing.

Speaker 24 And that's what what we need to do. We need to work harder.

Speaker 1 President of Palau Sarangal Whips.

Speaker 1 Lose weight or lose your job.

Speaker 1 That's the new warning for thousands of North Sea oil workers after a new safety policy ruled that the maximum weight workers being flown to oil rigs would be 124.7 kilograms, 19.5 stone.

Speaker 1 That is so offshore workers can be winched to safety in case of emergencies. So how will this policy be implemented and who will be affected? Ira Khan reports.

Speaker 25 There are dozens of oil rigs across the North Sea, where the sound of drills and cranes echo across the waters.

Speaker 25 On these isolated structures, offshore workers battle strong winds and waves for long hours. They operate heavy machinery while living on the platform for extended periods of time.

Speaker 25 And while for some industries, maintaining a certain physique is important, the North Sea oil workers may not necessarily come to mind. But that is about to change.

Speaker 25 Offshore Energies UK, the leading body for the UK's offshore energy sector, has issued a maximum weight requirement of 124.7 kilos for its workers.

Speaker 25 This is to ensure offshore safety procedures, so workers can be taken via helicopter in case of illness or emergency. The rescue helicopter winch load can simply not lift anyone heavier.

Speaker 25 The company says more than 2,200 workers are currently above the weight limit and 2,500 are just under, meaning that the policy could affect almost 5,000 workers.

Speaker 25 Graham Skinner, the health and safety manager at OEUK, did not rule out that jobs could be lost if workers did not meet the requirement.

Speaker 26 Employers will have a duty to support their workers through this and try and find reasonable solutions for it, but in the very worst cases, that would be the case for some people.

Speaker 26 We've chosen to take a year to bring in this policy and to give everyone a really reasonable chance at losing all of that weight.

Speaker 25 Phil Perry is an offshore worker from Aberdeen who was 129 kilos at one stage, which would have been over the new limit. He's worked hard to lose weight and is now down to 118 kilos.

Speaker 8 I think you can be healthy, but I think people just choose not to be. People come off shift after 12 hours, they go and get their snacks and they go to bed.

Speaker 8 When you go offshore, there is gyms, you know, you can go for a walk around the helideck and stuff like that.

Speaker 8 You know, there's treadmills, so they do give you the opportunity to, you know, you can be fit there.

Speaker 25 His colleagues now have a year to make sure they're under the limit, because when the new rules come into effect, they will be weighed at the helipad, and if they're too heavy, they will not be allowed to board the helicopters heading to the oil rigs.

Speaker 1 Ira Khan.

Speaker 1 To end this podcast, a fresh look at one of the marvels of the ancient world, the amazing network of Roman roads. As the proverb tells us, all roads lead to Rome, and at that time, they all did.

Speaker 1 Perhaps surprisingly, those who studied this ancient network didn't really know where many of them were located.

Speaker 1 But now, researchers have released an interactive map that reveals 300,000 kilometres of roads stretching from Britain to North Africa to the Middle East.

Speaker 1 This report by our science correspondent, Helen Briggs.

Speaker 16 It's been dubbed the Google Maps of Roman Roads, a high-resolution digital map of routes across the Roman Empire that's available for anyone to explore online.

Speaker 16 The project called Itinerary charts about 185,000 miles of roads pieced together using ancient atlases, military charts and satellite images. Dr.

Speaker 16 Joseph Lewis from the University of Cambridge says it dispels the myth that all Roman roads were straight.

Speaker 18 If the land is flat, it makes sense to build a straight road. But we do see particular locations where the road is more sinuous and follows the landscape and the terrain.

Speaker 18 Because it's at a higher resolution than previous data sets, we can really start to understand how the road moves across the landscape.

Speaker 16 The map shows a dense web of roads stretching from Britain to North Africa. Major routes linked cities, while thousands of smaller routes connected farms, villages, and forts.

Speaker 16 The researchers hope the map will help historians understand the movement of people, goods, and even infectious diseases across the Roman Empire and allow anyone living today to find out if they're travelling on or near one of these ancient roads.

Speaker 1 Helen Briggs.

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