488: Trump by Grace (ep 1&2)

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Speaker 2 That's it? Yep. You're my father.
Hey, my boss slept with me. I blame you.
That's it.

Speaker 2 Totally. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, there's only one person involved. This is all fucked up, Dad.
Help me. You gave mom too many pills.

Speaker 2 She said her back hurt.

Speaker 2 And I didn't like it.

Speaker 2 She wouldn't fuck me when her back hurt.

Speaker 2 God-awful

Speaker 2 movie. Movie.
Movies.

Speaker 2 Welcome back to the Gamcast, where each week we sample another selection from Christian Cinema because this is the way.

Speaker 2 I'm your host, Noah Lusions, and sitting 700 miles to my immediate left is my good friend Heath Enright. Heath, welcome back.
Thanks, Noah. Let's talk about American politics in 2025.

Speaker 2 That should be fun. Yeah.
Let's do that for a year. Happy fucking new year.
And sitting 900 miles to my northeast is my bad friend Eli Bosnick. Eli, how are you this fine afternoon, sir?

Speaker 2 I refuse to be blossomed. What? Yeah, that's right.
All right. Well, it's good to know, I guess.
We're going to blossom the shit out of you. Well, now that you've said it, yeah.
That's the bit.

Speaker 2 All right. Well, and we're also excited to welcome back guest masochists extraordinarin, host of the Knowledge Fight podcast, Dan and Jordan.
Dan, Jordan, welcome back. Hello.

Speaker 2 It's been too long, but let me just make sure you guys know we have been name-dropping you the entire time. The entire time we haven't seen you.
It's true.

Speaker 2 True. Motivate round grand.

Speaker 2 No, no, no, no. We've called advertising if no one knows you anymore.

Speaker 2 So tell us, Eve. What will we be

Speaker 2 other than Jordan's ego? What will we be breaking down today?

Speaker 2 We watched

Speaker 2 Trump by Grace. We mentioned us on your show.

Speaker 2 It's the story of making a movie by doing your own research instead of like going to film school or anything like that. Right, right.
Uh-huh. And Eli, how bad was this movie?

Speaker 2 Well, if you had trouble taking power of attorney away from your pre-dementia dad and you wish he had made two 25-minute episodes of a television show to help your legal strategy, you will love this movie.

Speaker 2 I would like to posit something brave, which is that this is not just the worst thing we've ever brought Dan and Jordan on for.

Speaker 2 And I will remind you, we once brought them on for essentially still images about a cult's beliefs about space.

Speaker 2 This is the worst thing we have ever seen. It is the most concentrated evil we have ever talked about on our show.
It's like it's bad in a way that is new to us, right?

Speaker 2 Like it is reached a new echelon of baddom somehow. Yeah.
I'm going to say that maybe this is a result of what you said earlier about us being masochistic. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But we have already discussed this TV show at length for quite a while. And I tell you, you are wrong.
We both kind of love it. And this is secretly brilliant.
Yeah. And well, not brilliant.

Speaker 2 It's terrible, but it's brilliant to think about. And maybe one of the most, I think it should be put into a time capsule of like, this is who, this is who we fucking are.
Brian. Yes.
Yes.

Speaker 2 Put it on a golden DVD, send it to space. Absolutely.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's this is basically the movie version of that thing in Oppenheimer where he's like, I didn't know it was going to be shaped like a flower.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Our hot take was that like, I liked it.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 3 hearing you say that it's the worst thing that you've ever done is like, wow.

Speaker 2 All right. Yeah, this job suddenly seemed a little easier.
You can say it. Pussy.
That's what you're thinking,

Speaker 2 Dan. Damn it.

Speaker 3 I like this more than cram school.

Speaker 2 Yeah, 100%. 100%.

Speaker 2 All right. Okay.
I enjoyed the experience of watching. I laughed.
I cried. There's a lot going on.
You know, okay, so here's the thing that happened to me.

Speaker 2 And I think this will kind of make sense of where I'm coming from here. When I was growing up,

Speaker 2 you had just got hit by adults all the time, like whatever. That was just how it worked, right?

Speaker 2 And then I was reading this thing and it was all these stories of people whose stories were exactly like mine.

Speaker 2 And they were like, oh, and it was, it was tear-filled and it was traumatic and all that stuff. And I remember being like, oh, that was a pretty good time of my life, honestly.

Speaker 2 I didn't know I was supposed to be crying all the time about it. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 That's the thing is, like, for the listeners who are blown away by the difference in our assessments here, consider what these guys do. Every fucking hour.
Yeah. Right.

Speaker 2 Like, so what we're doing is nothing compared to watching Alex fucking Jones. So, yeah, you earned that desk is what we're saying.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Still has not arrived.

Speaker 2 Fingers. May not be coming.
Fucking liars at the onion. We'll see.
All right. So is there anything you guys want to nominate this one for being the best at being the worst at?

Speaker 2 I'm going to go with best, best, ghost of a dead wife. Okay.
Oh, my God. It's very narrow.
Who hates

Speaker 2 her husband? And the husband made the movie and has the ghost of the dead wife just like ignoring him.

Speaker 2 She disappears mid-sentence while he's talked to her. It's the best.
Oh my, that moment is so funny. I stopped to weep with laughter

Speaker 2 for a while. Yeah.
Yep. There's some good stuff in here.
I was going to go with best worst farty couch. All right.
So like we're going to watch, we're going to go over two episodes of this TV show.

Speaker 2 The entire show is this guy sitting on his fucking couch, right? Wallowing. Sitting is generous.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Wilting in passed out drunk.

Speaker 2 Beached upon, yeah, beached upon his couch. And just every time he moves or, God forbid, tries to get up, this couch just farts the entire time.
And I love it every time.

Speaker 2 And it's comedic timing. And by this, I mean the farty couch is perfect.
Yes. Right.
Yeah. Because like sometimes it won't fart at all.
And then he'll be like, here's the thing about 9-11.

Speaker 2 And it's just like,

Speaker 2 every time,

Speaker 2 gets him every time. Yep.
So, on a related note, I was going to go with best, worst feet.

Speaker 2 Because we will be shooting this man, Lazy Boy On the center of the frame of I'm going to say 97% of the shots of this show are just this man's dirty, dirty souls. Yes, yeah, it's a visual metaphor.

Speaker 3 He was taunting the foot perverts, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Wikifeet won a lot of awards for this show.

Speaker 3 I'm going to nominate it for best, best. Since we can do that, I'm going to nominate it for best, best Trumpian auteur

Speaker 3 in Brian McLean. I think he is the best.

Speaker 2 Have you checked out his work in YA novels?

Speaker 3 I have. I have gone deep on this one.

Speaker 2 Yeah, again,

Speaker 2 I'm not lying to you. We spent a lot of time talking about it because both of us did research on these people, like trying to understand what it was we ever seen

Speaker 2 i've seen i would say 80 of the content that he's created and i think he has a vision and i don't respect it because it's good all right all right well i can't wait to break it down further and jordan did you have a best worst for us oh yeah i had a best worst two daughters i i genuinely i genuinely like to use the term sex worker i believe that's the agreed upon term that doesn't dehumanize them but the only way to describe this man's characterization of his own spawn is my two whore daughters.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 2 It is crazy. It is crazy the way he treats these women.
It's virtually what they're listed on in the credits, right? Like whore daughter one, whore daughter two. Damn it.

Speaker 2 It should be named my two whore daughters as a TV show. Yes.
Like in the 1970s, if you watched, oh, it was all in the family and then my two whore daughters, you'd be like, it just makes sense. Yes.

Speaker 2 How I met your whore mother.

Speaker 3 I feel like we all should do this episode slurring slightly.

Speaker 2 A little bit. That would only be.
I do have seven rum and coats next to me right now. Oh, okay.
I was going to say.

Speaker 2 Perfect. Dan Heath is your uncle, Barry.

Speaker 2 Before we begin too far, I just want to note, and I don't think this is important, and yet I also don't think it's not important, but this was posted officially five days before January 6th.

Speaker 2 I don't know if it's... Oh, mentions.

Speaker 2 There might be a reason we didn't get episode three and four is what we're saying. All right.

Speaker 2 Well, I'll tell you what, we have deprived you of these fucking gems for way too long. So we're going to keep the break brief.

Speaker 2 And when we come back, we'll dive into all the budgetless ass hoolery that is Trump by grace.

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What's up?

Speaker 2 I'm trying to make some New Year's resolutions with Eli, but his outlook is a little bleak. That's not true.

Speaker 2 I said getting in better shape would make me too tough for the water raiders to eat as a good thing. Right.
Eli, it seems like you might have developed some unhealthy pessimism. Okay, Noah.

Speaker 2 You telling me that the inability to foresee positive outcomes about anything is unhealthy? Yep. Yep.
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Speaker 2 All right, Noah. Thanks.
So, um, what do you say? Ready to make some goals? Can they be less goals and more targets? Depends on what you mean by targets.

Speaker 2 Well, I was thinking and that's where the better help ad ended, everybody. All done with that ad.

Speaker 2 Now,

Speaker 2 and so I said, more like Bernie Man, Bernie Man, classic.

Speaker 2 Hey guys,

Speaker 2 you wanted to see me? Yeah, yeah, Jordan. Come on in, kid.
Sure, sure. Yeah, so

Speaker 2 when we hired a real-life comedian to punch up our show, Trump by Grace, we were

Speaker 2 kind of thinking you fellas would add some goofs, you know? Yeah, maybe a wacky ethnic character. Yeah, ethnic character, yeah.
But these don't seem like constructive notes.

Speaker 2 Really? How so?

Speaker 2 Well, okay, so this first note you wrote just says the funniest thing about this script is your attempt to spell interior. But it's true.
You tried and missed four times.

Speaker 2 All right, well, here on page four, you just wrote in the margin, shoot yourself in the mouth.

Speaker 2 Did you take the note?

Speaker 2 I didn't take the note. I didn't.
Well, it's a solid suggestion. I don't think it's a solid suggestion.
Okay, look, guys, I get it. You want bits.
You want funny situations. Yeah, uh-huh.

Speaker 2 Yeah, exactly. Okay, so how about this? Big daddy's up on the roof, right? Okay.
And then he falls. Well, physical comedy.
All right. All right.

Speaker 2 And then he cracks his hangman's vertebrae and he's just paralyzed. I mean, he can't move at all.

Speaker 2 I don't think that's.

Speaker 2 But then I show up and you're, this is the part that you're going to love. I start, and I unzip my pants and I start peeing into his open mouth.
But you're not even in this show. I am.
No.

Speaker 2 And he's drowning, right? He's drowning. So just drowning in my piss.
But he can't even turn his head because he's paralyzed from all the folly. So he's just drowning and drowning.
Oh my God.

Speaker 2 He's just drowning so much in his piss. I think, I think, maybe.
No, no, no, no, stop, stop. Stop.
Please don't rub. And he's just drowning and pissing.
It's like, oh,

Speaker 2 yeah, we got it.

Speaker 3 Hey, Jordan, you're almost done in here. The taco bell's getting cold.

Speaker 2 Almost done. Still unzipped.

Speaker 3 You tell him about that whole drowning and piss thing.

Speaker 2 I just got around to it, buddy. Great.

Speaker 2 And we're back for the breakdown. And we're going to open up wondering if we've accidentally skipped ahead on the video.

Speaker 2 So it's just a black screen and somebody yells, Tommy. And then that's it.

Speaker 2 The show moves on. I guess they're trying to do like a breaking bad, right? Like, oh, you'll understand why that is at the end of this program.
Hey, guys, let me start off vulnerable.

Speaker 2 Let me start off from my heart. I don't.
What is that? No, so that's, I think he was trying to get there like at the end of the season that he never finished making.

Speaker 2 Because he went to jail for J6. Probably.
Right. Probably.
That part's just. There are no characters named Tommy in the movie.
Nope. That I can tell.
Sure aren't. Sure aren't.
We have not met Tommy.

Speaker 2 So, yeah, but so we get that. And then we see our hero.
He is Dano or Big Daddy, depending on what mood he's in in the moment. Dan O'Leary, Heath's people.

Speaker 2 In case anyone's keeping track, throwing that out. Okay.

Speaker 3 It hurt me as Dan.

Speaker 3 I didn't like seeing this representation of Dan's.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
Hurt me as a human.

Speaker 3 Just the fact that he got called Big Daddy.

Speaker 2 By daughters. Wow.
Yeah. That he paid a couple of young women to call him Big Daddy.
Well, so I honestly think that's why he's got both names, right?

Speaker 2 Because he named the character Dano, and then he hired two attractive young women to play his daughters. And he's like, call me Big Daddy.
I think that's what happened. So, but we meet him.

Speaker 2 He's walking through. He's huffing his way through a graveyard to visit his wife's headstone.
And he's announcing himself. And it's, it's so sad as the cold open.

Speaker 2 He's like, that's me lumbering through a cemetery with my oversized Eli shorts that are ridiculous.

Speaker 2 My wife died of opioids. We had dogs.
We loved them. They all fucking died.
It was so sad. It's

Speaker 2 fucking nuts. And look, in my head, he like, the next thing was like, and then I shot myself.
Yeah, right, right. Blam.
And the movie's over.

Speaker 2 He introduces his wife by saying his wife was a casualty of the opioid epidemic. And look, the people on this program understand that addiction has nothing to do with willpower, right?

Speaker 2 We don't have any of those problematic beliefs. And we understand that people of all stripes and kinds get addicted to things.
It has nothing to do with you as a person. But Trump supporters don't.

Speaker 2 So the fact that he will spend the rest of the film talking to his wife like she died saving a kitten from a fire fucking weirded me out.

Speaker 2 Well, I just, I wrote in my notes.

Speaker 2 It's really, it's really amazing how quickly we adopt language like became a casualty of the opioid epidemic once it was white people who were overdosing mostly, right? Rather than Hispanic or black.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
Way more sympathetic. No such kindness of language for Hillary Clinton losing an election.
Right.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think that's what I, and I think that's where we're going to begin the conversation here. All right.

Speaker 2 I find

Speaker 2 so interesting because this is a man who has no idea what he's actually saying.

Speaker 2 And what he's actually saying is so dark and personal and revealing about who he is as a person.

Speaker 2 Like it is insane what this man is saying. And

Speaker 2 you're mocking him when he's trying to reach out for your help.

Speaker 2 He needs you now.

Speaker 2 Well, he ain't going to get me. He's not going to get us.

Speaker 2 He says, he starts this off. He's like, he's like, my wife died and then all my dogs died and I live in my mother-in-law's house.

Speaker 2 I think it's supposed to be his house, but the way he said it, I thought it was the mother-in-law's house, which makes this way funnier. Right.
Oh, it'd be way, it'd be worse if it wasn't.

Speaker 2 If I just assumed it was both his house in the show and also his house in real life because obviously it's his house in real life. 100% his house in real life.

Speaker 3 I know that it's his house in real life from other research that I've done.

Speaker 2 I definitely thought it was the mother-in-law's house. Dan, are you there right now in a pool of blood? Because we need to make an alibi for you.

Speaker 2 You have to tell us.

Speaker 3 Let me tell you, it's not a pool of blood.

Speaker 3 It's not a pool of blood.

Speaker 3 I'm in his pool.

Speaker 2 All right. All right.

Speaker 2 Bleeding.

Speaker 2 I cut my foot on the way into his pool.

Speaker 2 So now, but he explains to us: if Hillary had won in 2016, he was going to leave the country and we would have been deprived of this show entirely. Lucky us.

Speaker 2 We could have had so many shitty people just leave. He's not the only one who would have made that promise.
Fuck. Oh, it would have been so good.

Speaker 3 Here's the thing that I think is really interesting about this dichotomy: that, like, the beginning of the show with all of this, like, my wife died from the pills, and all my dogs are dead, and I live with this old woman who I'm sort of connected to.

Speaker 3 Like, there's a braveness to how dark he's opening up this show. Agreed.

Speaker 2 And then it's contrasted with this, if Hillary had won, I would have left the country.

Speaker 3 That's so trivial and stupid.

Speaker 3 There's a yin and yang there.

Speaker 2 It's a fascinating. It's a fascinating displacement.
Yes.

Speaker 2 Because what he's doing, you can clearly hear him trying to grapple with all of these things that are outside of his control.

Speaker 2 And in order to grapple with any of them, the first thing he would have to do is be like, well, some of this is my fault. And he can't.
Nope, never. He absolutely cannot.
Never, and not even close.

Speaker 2 But things that aren't in his control at all are his fault, right? Because he goes, and so I did what I do best. I prayed.
No, totally.

Speaker 2 And the, and just like this, this is a man who's who's centered an entire show around his version of Christianity, a version of Christianity that I think a lot of people would identify with.

Speaker 2 And the very first thing he does is publicly pray

Speaker 2 and bargain with God for prayers. Exactly.

Speaker 2 Hey, God, I'll do what you want, sure.

Speaker 2 But first, what are you going to do for me? Yeah, we cut to him praying for Trump's victory into a microphone that's two rooms away, by the way, for some fucking reason.

Speaker 2 I like that he's being vulnerable here. He says the thing that I'm best at is wishing for stuff.
He's a good character.

Speaker 2 It's pretty fucking sad. Yeah.
So, yeah, so we get his, we get his title, Trump by Grace, and the T and Trump, Big cross. Very clever.

Speaker 3 Oh, hell yeah. It was a nice touch.
And I want to just say one thing really quick because I feel like I might have misrepresented my position.

Speaker 3 I want to make sure that anytime I'm saying that there's a complexity to this, I don't think it's intentional.

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 2 no, no.

Speaker 3 I just want to make sure that that's not the presentation that I'm putting forward, that this guy is making an amazing piece of art.

Speaker 2 So little of what he did was intentional, man. He's stumbling into complexity by trying to read the words he wrote badly.
Yeah. Yes.

Speaker 2 In genuine, I think the best way for me to describe this is like if you read Slaughterhouse 5 and you're at the parts where he's in an observation deck and aliens are just watching him like, what the fuck is this guy doing?

Speaker 2 That's how I felt. I felt like an alien just going, what the fuck are you doing? Yes.
Anything else is available to you. You're rich as balls, man.

Speaker 2 The Trump Medorians are learning a lot about American culture if they're watching this. 100%.

Speaker 2 Trout Medorian turns to the other one. Okay, does it have to go like this, though?

Speaker 2 I swear. I don't want to be the guy, but I feel like if I sent him a text at the right time, he would have been like, oh, shit, it's on me.

Speaker 2 Also, speaking of Slaughterhouse 5, I would describe the editing style of this movie as unstuck in time, which is kind of like... Unstuck in time, yes.

Speaker 2 Kachi, right? Somebody pay that man.

Speaker 2 So he prays, and then we get the fucking, we see the Trump wins headlines spin into view using Mode 7 from the Super Nintendo. Sorry, that's a deep cut.

Speaker 2 Our retro game nerd fans are going to love that. Yeah, those nerds will love.
Okay, but here's the thing. He somehow failed to make it stop.
So we just see it spinning.

Speaker 2 We don't see the part where it stops. Yes, and you can read it.

Speaker 3 I paused it to read the sub-headline. And it was just boring.
It was that the Republicans controlled the Senate and had.

Speaker 3 It's like,

Speaker 3 I thought we'd have something fun in here, but there wasn't.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you thought there was going to be some fucking QAnon shit in there, something or something. Yeah.
I would welcome some Lorem Ipsum at this point.

Speaker 2 And then the first of the daughters, this is Barbara Ann. She comes just clumping her way into the room.

Speaker 2 Okay. She's just hitting coconuts together when she comes.

Speaker 2 Question for the panel. Is she supposed to be Walk of Shaming or was he just like, everyone wear a party dress to my movie? Oh, no, that's interesting.
I could relate to this moment.

Speaker 2 I feel like she had a hangover from the Hillary's About to Win that turned into Hillary losing party that we all had that day. That's what we're, yeah, I had a rough next day.

Speaker 2 We almost brought no, I know we've told this story on air, but it is worth repeating. We almost brought no illusions that night to a house full of antiques and rare art

Speaker 2 that would have been destroyed with mental rage fire somehow. No, it was.
We would have gotten false fire starter. Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 I think the subtext to the daughters, every time they are in frame, they are learning an important lesson from Big Daddy that they will forget the moment they leave frame where they go fuck some stranger or get too wasted to drive home and then drive home.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And then show up in frame again.
That's the understanding I have of their characters. Yeah.
So I love that you're doing the deep dive into their motivations and whatever.

Speaker 2 My notes are just like, oh, the daughter had an itch on her love mic.

Speaker 2 These are serious actors.

Speaker 2 Have you checked the IMDb page of

Speaker 2 serious actors? What do we got?

Speaker 2 We got Operation Hope.

Speaker 2 Holocaust gives grandmother a power that's passed down. She's that's Katrina Kelly.
Do you hear that? She's in a Holocaust movie. All right.
You didn't know that. You think she's not a serious actor.

Speaker 2 Wrong. Serious actor.

Speaker 2 And it gave her superpowers that are high.

Speaker 2 Yes, of course. And then they were passed down.
So it's not important that mother and grandma did fuck all with this immediately following. Yeah, right.
We're just catching up with now. Shut up.

Speaker 2 Move on. The story continues.

Speaker 2 Holocaust powers are recessive sometimes.

Speaker 2 Skips generations. Oh my God.
It's like an Iron Man. I'm still sorry.
We have to talk about this. It's like a Captain America ripoff.
Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I have to read you this byline.

Speaker 2 After genetic experimentation during the Holocaust gave her great-grandmother great strength that was passed down through generations, Hope Silverstein embraced her powers and Silverstein.

Speaker 2 Death Silverstein, do you hear that?

Speaker 2 Do you hear it? Okay. Hear it.
Hear my words. Hope Silverstein.

Speaker 2 We are switching the movie right now. We're doing it right now.
Guys, I'm just going to bring up. I'm going to send everyone the link on Tubi.
No, look,

Speaker 3 I joked to Jordan when we were talking about this is we're going to hold you hostage and we're just just going to watch everyone.

Speaker 2 We're going to do the whole filmography of everyone in this film. Yes, absolutely.

Speaker 3 I mean, a branching path.

Speaker 2 No kidnapping required. Holy shit.
Have you heard of Snake Resort? The only snakes you have to worry about have two legs. Oh, what?

Speaker 2 Seems like a weird name.

Speaker 3 No one understands that, Jordan.

Speaker 2 Nope. Still.

Speaker 2 I'm in, though. I'm in.
I'll watch it.

Speaker 2 So, okay. So.
Guys, I didn't storm out of the podcast or anything. I'm reading the descriptions of the other things.
These actors have been in. I'll try to get this

Speaker 2 various actors have been in. I'll try to get the literal first scene in the movie discussion.

Speaker 2 She got Holocaust superpowers. I know, I know.
I'm not blaming you. I'm not blaming you.
I get it.

Speaker 2 We said, oops,

Speaker 2 TV.

Speaker 2 Come on.

Speaker 2 So the two daughters come in.

Speaker 2 He dances on their grave a little bit because they're like, oh my God, it's like, it was such a rough night. Donald Trump won.
And he's like, I'd like to dance about it.

Speaker 2 This is where he stands up and we're first introduced to the farting couch. Yep.
The couch just seems to almost shit him out. There's so much farting.

Speaker 2 And he does a little, he does a little dance for him. It's sweaty and white down in Arizona.
Those are the two things I know. Yep.
Yep.

Speaker 2 And then the title card comes up and it gives us the title of the show again, Trump by Grace, followed by in a different font,

Speaker 2 I'm staying. So these are like scene titles that he's going to do.
Chapter headings, if you will. Yeah, yeah, chapter headings.

Speaker 3 Vignettes. This is like cinema.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Haven't you seen the Cohen brothers short story? Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is inspired by that.
I'm clerks, maybe. Yeah.
Yeah. So we cut the, he's celebrating Trump's win with his buddy.

Speaker 2 He chose this name, Joe Bob. Joe Bob, my man.

Speaker 2 Joe Bob is great. Joe Bob is unabashedly great.
My favorite thing about Joe Bob is that every time he has to sit, they're sitting next to each other on this couch so they can both be in frame.

Speaker 2 But Joe Bob wants it to be very clear how gay he isn't. So he sits as far as is possible and still in the same, like the chair next to

Speaker 2 Dano.

Speaker 3 I don't think that's the explanation for it.

Speaker 2 No?

Speaker 3 Agreed.

Speaker 2 I think he was dizzy and didn't want to throw up.

Speaker 2 He's like, if you throw up again, don't make it in my lap again. All right.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 If he sat back too far, he was going to just punk out.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 3 he needed to position himself just right to deal with the wobbles.

Speaker 2 Yeah. It felt like a teeter-totter.
There's a lot of sunlight and a lot of empty glasses. Let's

Speaker 2 put it that way.

Speaker 2 If I may recite the first line of this scene, it's actually pretty important to me.

Speaker 2 I transcribed it. If he, in his whiz, sizz, he wins.

Speaker 2 Yep. Now that's writing.
Okay, so we haven't mentioned this yet, strangely enough, but the two, this guy, the main character and his buddy Joe Bob,

Speaker 2 will just be shit face drunk the entire time they're filming. I don't know that the main character, that Dano, ever manages to correctly say an English sentence at any point in these two episodes.

Speaker 2 I don't think he can read when he's sober, to be clear, but yes, it's making it worse.

Speaker 3 No, and it's this is a really interesting question, too, because in my deep dive into Brian McLean, I found that prior to doing this, he did a show about 12 steps. Yep.

Speaker 3 So he's somebody who has like an interesting relationship with substance, clearly.

Speaker 2 Did that show do well or did it have one episode and then stop?

Speaker 3 I found episode one and three of it. Oh,

Speaker 2 okay.

Speaker 2 He blacked out for episode two.

Speaker 2 Twice as successful as I thought.

Speaker 3 I'm not sure if the rest of the episodes are available anywhere or if you made them. Right.
But he, he's somebody who clearly has an issue with booze in some fashion.

Speaker 3 And so I was fascinated by how that all like existed in the background of this show. Like, I don't understand how anybody could watch it and not be worried about that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, really. Honestly,

Speaker 2 it is a cry for help through acting. And I think we all know that person who's crying for help through acting.
And I just don't understand why it's this guy and why nobody is dealing with that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, okay. So, you guys are like concerned with his like alcoholism and his mental health and everything.
And I'm just concerned is a very strong word,

Speaker 2 yeah.

Speaker 3 But also, let me say, he also did another series called Cruising with Grandma, which is oh, okay, I didn't really find that one.

Speaker 3 Him and the grandma are in a car talking about like the Bidens and stuff.

Speaker 2 He's got Holocaust powers, right? Yes,

Speaker 2 that's implied, that's implied, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 But within 12, like the first couple minutes, you see him surreptitiously pop a pill. Yeah.
So like there's.

Speaker 2 Oh, I missed that. We watched it.
He's good. He's, he was good at it.

Speaker 3 There's a real concern.

Speaker 2 Like, it's not just the drinking. I feel, I feel worried.
He was driving. He was in the car driving and he surreptitiously on camera popped a pill.
Do you? And it was so smooth.

Speaker 2 It was like he took somebody's wallet. It was amazing.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 The master pickpocket of opioid addiction. Yeah, totally.
Right.

Speaker 2 So honestly, I was just distracted by the fact that literally the lighting was so inconsistent in this scene that every time they cut to a different angle, I would start writing that evening in my notes and then have to go, oh, no, that's just their lighting is bad.

Speaker 2 It's funny that you're there because I think at a certain point, I became so fascinated by the what's real and what's not in this guy's vision, I suppose, that I lost all track of like technical issues whatsoever.

Speaker 2 Yeah, sure. This was, this was like suddenly there's a

Speaker 2 low spot. It's just his face, and I'm trying to figure out what he's doing on stage.
Yeah, I guess it's called suspension of disbelief. Yeah,

Speaker 2 I never quite got there.

Speaker 2 So, and I guess the whole point of this scene is that Granny won't take her meds, and he does this clever thing where he turns her TV off until she does. And he just wanted to capture that moment.

Speaker 2 Thank God for parental controls.

Speaker 2 Actual joke.

Speaker 2 I guess.

Speaker 2 Right. But he doesn't do it like weird, gritty, unplug the TV style.
He has like an iPad that controls her TV.

Speaker 2 And he tells her nurse to tell her that the TV company called and they won't turn her TV back on until she takes her pills. He's trapping her in a big brother-esque 1984 situation.
Right, Roach.

Speaker 2 he's like take advantage of the dementia a little bit you know i don't think enough people elf on a shelf their moms and i think they should all start doing it

Speaker 2 all right so and and then we get with that important scene out of the way we get another title card and it comes up and it says daughter's death and taxes that's not

Speaker 2 are daughters guaranteed in life that's the they sure are saying right Yeah,

Speaker 2 his inability to know what any aphorism means or like or get one right in the movie is basically the plot.

Speaker 3 The daughters,

Speaker 3 daughters, and daughters, death, and taxes is shorthand for my daughter's being a real brain in the areas.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Right. Yes.

Speaker 3 And that's not guaranteed in life.

Speaker 2 No, sure.

Speaker 2 I think the implication is obviously that he's going to, daughters require money, period. Right.
So does death.

Speaker 2 And I think he just understands that death and taxes are borderline related to the government, and that's it.

Speaker 3 Deaths related to the government?

Speaker 2 I mean, have you seen, have you seen the death penalty lately? Well, I was just going to say, have you seen what this guy thinks of COVID and the vaccines?

Speaker 2 See, there we go. Yeah.
Yeah. You're not looking through the eyes of the auteur, Dan.
You got to look through the eyes of the auteur.

Speaker 3 This is where I failed to do that.

Speaker 2 And I will

Speaker 2 reconstruct. Philip Silverstein.

Speaker 2 Also, we have to talk about this line. It's amazing.
Dano says to Joe Bob at this point in the movie, I think I'm getting the itch.

Speaker 2 And there is never any more detail of what the fuck he meant. He never clarifies that.
He says it multiple times to multiple characters throughout the film.

Speaker 2 And we'll talk about those other characters in a second, but multiple times he'll be like, I'm going to do the thing again. And everyone just sort of nods knowingly, right?

Speaker 2 It's got, it's got real, can I say, history of violence vibes, right? Like we don't need to know what Vigo Mortensen did. When we see the tattoos, we understand it.

Speaker 2 That's how I feel about Big Daddy in episode one of Trump by Grace. I think you're right.
Am I right?

Speaker 2 Accept me onto your side, Dan and Jordan. Shit, I'm trying to

Speaker 2 fuck.

Speaker 2 So, but then Barbara, the blonde daughter, comes in. She's got something important to talk to him about.

Speaker 2 But before she can talk to him about it, him and Joe Bob have to dunk on Hillary for like four minutes.

Speaker 2 It's an interesting moment, right?

Speaker 2 Because you see occasionally or you'll hear people do these sort of cruel things to their more liberal families, but you obviously never see it from their perspective, right?

Speaker 2 It's just the video that's about to be like stitched and then the guy lost his job at, you know, whatever tool repair shop he worked at or whatever.

Speaker 2 But like it's really interesting to see this entirely in a universe where that is appropriate behavior. Yeah.
Right. Because it, oh, sure.

Speaker 2 It's changed remarkably little from the thing that we believe is inappropriate. Like I always assumed that they thought of it, but they're like, no, no, I just say that stuff and everyone hates me.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's a question a lot of the time of like sincerity. Like, you know, Dan and I were talking about this the other night.

Speaker 2 There's a certain sincerity of belief that is different from the people we're used to lying about or who lie about it, you know, like this guy actually truly believes some of the weirdest nonsense.

Speaker 3 He's not lying to us.

Speaker 2 Sure. He is revealing something deeply personal about him.
And it's not that he is a bad person. It's that he cannot understand basic realities.
Oh, I think he's a bad person. But yes,

Speaker 2 I agree.

Speaker 2 Not in this regard. That's right.
Yes. In this regard, this is a man who believes that he is benevolently educating his children in the ways of the real world.
Yes. Yes.

Speaker 2 That makes him so much fucking worse.

Speaker 2 He's insane. From his three-way love seat/slash Lacey Paul.

Speaker 2 And he's not lying. You're right.
He's saying, like, the news is Donald Trump won the election. This is about the first time that Trump won.

Speaker 2 And then he says, like, well, bad news is Hillary Clinton's going to cry about it and she's going to make up some kind of like big lie

Speaker 2 about it. It's amazing.
It's like, I wrote my notes, like, yeah, you'd hate to have a losing presidential candidate spend years trying to re-litigate the election based on a lie.

Speaker 2 Huh, that would be really embarrassing. Jesus, they go on about this like three different times in their dumbass show.

Speaker 3 That's why it's tragic that there wasn't more episodes.

Speaker 2 Like, I'd really like to see how they dealt with 2020. Yes.
Lost episode number three is titled Omnipotence. Lost episode number four is titled Socialism and Suicide.

Speaker 2 So that was the one that I was hoping for. Oh, that would have gotten dark.
That would have gotten deep and dark.

Speaker 2 And he would have thought that it was a criticism of the rest of society and how wrong they've been. And we would all watch it going, like, you're actually maybe the person who murdered your wife.

Speaker 2 Have you considered that? Like, have you thought about that on the inside? That you probably murdered your own wife. Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 His hands aren't clean.

Speaker 2 His hands aren't clean. His hands are not clean.
No, no cleaner than his feet.

Speaker 2 Do you think he did it in episode four and like it's been held up in court, but like you will eventually get to watch him put a gun in his mouth and just like he blows out one of his cheeks first and he sort of has to crawl across the floor.

Speaker 2 He does a fight club?

Speaker 2 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 Well, I was going to say that I know that that that can't be true because I watched his series that he did after this called God's Trumpet.

Speaker 3 And I was like, well, he didn't have a gunshot wound to the head.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 3 But I actually realized that I can't say that for sure because the entire series involves him having a bag over his head.

Speaker 2 Oh, shit.

Speaker 3 Being kept hostage by the deep state. So I don't actually know.

Speaker 2 So all of this could be,

Speaker 3 it all could exist in the same reality.

Speaker 2 All right. I am formally inviting you back for that one since since you already watched it anyway.
There is a mind that is working here, and I don't understand it.

Speaker 2 And I don't think it understands much. It's like, no, it is like watching a gibbon learn to use a camera.
I don't understand how his mind works.

Speaker 2 Or that fast motion video of the ants navigating the planet. That's the peas through the light.
Yeah, exactly. How did he get that camera? So, how did he get it? Who sold him that?

Speaker 2 So now, ultimately in this scene, though, the daughter is coming to him to tell him that she needs $11,000 $11,000 to help pay all our bills. Right.

Speaker 3 I was surprised by that amount. I thought they were going to swing a little lower.

Speaker 2 Yes. A very specific, almost pulled from the headlines amount,

Speaker 2 the headlines of his life. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But yeah, so but he agrees to pay it for the daughter. And then he turns to Joe Bob after she leaves, and he tells this story.
He's like, you know, my daddy had some words of wisdom one time.

Speaker 2 I fucking hate you and I wish you were dead. I mean, that's not exactly what he says, but that's basically what his daddy said.

Speaker 3 Right. And this is where Joe Bob reveals himself to be just the best kind of friend, which is the you just need this guy who's drunk with you who is like,

Speaker 2 100%.

Speaker 2 100%. Joe Bob is like, what am I going to do? What am I busy? I'm going to laugh.

Speaker 2 I'm not busy. Cheers.

Speaker 2 You said it, man. You said it.
Do you think Joe Bob's own chair at home is as nice as this chair that he's sitting in right right now. Right, that's the thing.
Absolutely not.

Speaker 2 He doesn't have as farty a chair back home. He's like a country music version of a hype man for this movie.
It's kind of fun.

Speaker 2 100%.

Speaker 2 I bet if he asked Joe Bob to suck his dick, he would. I'll just say that right now.
I'll say something brave. Okay.

Speaker 3 For Trump.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 2 No, and here's the thing about this scene. And I think

Speaker 2 it was Dan's point, especially, is that he needs his daughter to behave like this. Like, she is in a cry for.
Like, these are

Speaker 2 these are like

Speaker 2 parasitic relationships. Yeah, codependent relationships here.
Yes, absolutely. Right.

Speaker 2 Nobody in the movie, nobody in the movie will not be financially tied to him because on some level, he's aware that unless he is giving everyone in his life tens of thousands of dollars or free boost to Job,

Speaker 2 they would abandon him and never speak to him again. 100%.
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 And while I jealously wish that I could do the same, we're going to pause for a quick break, but we'll be back soon with even more of Trump by grace.

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Cool. So, um, how'd that go? Passed out and threw up right away.

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Speaker 2 Don't!

Speaker 2 And we're back for more of this shit. We're going to rejoin the action in the same living room with Dano and Joe Bob sitting in the same farty-ass couch.

Speaker 2 We get a title card. This time they couldn't come up with a clever subtitle, I guess, right? Yeah, the title card is just the title of the show.
Yep, yep. Again.
Title card, I guess, technically.

Speaker 2 So, like, so far, I guess the plot of this episode is... One time me and Joe Bob were getting day drunk at my mother-in-law's house, right?

Speaker 2 Like, that's what we've got going on so far in case anybody needed to be caught up.

Speaker 3 Well, no, I mean, like, the subtext is that, I mean, the episode's titled Answered Prayers. So it's about the fact that he prayed Trump into office and what that means for his life.

Speaker 3 So he's dealing with that as he day drinks with Joe Bob.

Speaker 2 Sure.

Speaker 2 Yeah, have we established that this entire thing is the theme of this entire show is that this man essentially won a bet with God and now he has to improve his life in order to protect the president from threats both foreign and domestic.

Speaker 2 We understand that, correct? It's true.

Speaker 3 He prayed to God that Trump needed to win. And if Trump won, he would stay in the United States and fight, whatever that means.
Yes. And so now Trump has won.

Speaker 3 So he has to stay in the United States and fight, but he has no way of fighting. Nope.

Speaker 3 There's no sense of what that means.

Speaker 3 And so he's sitting there drinking with Joe Bob. And it's kind of like that just is in the background.

Speaker 2 Yeah, having the itch. Yeah.

Speaker 3 How am I going to fight? I'm going to make my daughters feel like shit. Yeah.
That's how I'm going to fight.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's the starting. That's the opening salvo.
They're just sitting there on a couch day drinking.

Speaker 2 Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. First things first, educate the youth.
You say it one way, and I say it a different way.

Speaker 2 We say it different ways. Well, yeah, they're day drinking, and they look out the window at the youth, the two daughters, and they're like, look at these idiots fucking drinking during the day.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 drinking outside. I know.
I mean, but the thing about it that's so amazing is like these people clearly have

Speaker 2 like him and his real-life daughters.

Speaker 2 He's clearly pampered them and spoiled them in such a way that he will always have them both dependent upon him and a thing that he can say he's better than, despite the fact that he is exactly what they are and they are what he is.

Speaker 2 Right. He's fascinating.
Yeah. No, they even say, like, I bet they're not discussing anything important.
And I'm like, you guys are discussing them

Speaker 3 And two things one is the daughters left saying do you want to go to the bar and then they end up on the patio drinking water

Speaker 3 Because I think there were they couldn't get a bar to let them shoot there. Yeah.

Speaker 3 But then the second thing is Joe Bob when they're talking shit about the daughters being out there He has a moment of humanity where he's like at least they have each other. Yep.

Speaker 3 Or something like that where it's like, why is that line in here?

Speaker 2 What are you doing? Did that sneak in? Did you just have a thought that you wanted to get? Hey, man, don't be so hard on your daughters. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, and then and then Dano immediately negates it and he goes, well, two dead batteries still don't start the truck. Okay.
Totally.

Speaker 3 And that's when Joe Bubb knows that his humanity has gone too far and he has to go, hey, hey, hey, get him.

Speaker 2 And cheers.

Speaker 2 You're right.

Speaker 2 You know what? He's like. the SNL sketch of tiny Elvis.
He's like, you're right, Tiny Elvis. You got it, man.
You got it, Tiny E. You got it.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Can we talk about the importance of the wisdom of the truck to these people in this?

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 it keeps coming up. Everything is some damn truck.
So they're complaining about the $11,000 that the daughter owes. And Joe Bob's like, $11K, that's a nice work truck right there.

Speaker 2 And I was like, okay, that's a weird unit of measurement for stuff. Okay.

Speaker 2 And then he says two dead batteries still don't start the truck. So like, this won't be the only two examples where where, like,

Speaker 2 truck-based Republican wisdom is coming out. Truckies, if you will.
Yeah. Uh-huh.
Now, let me say this: if Joe Bob had continued to have startling flashes of humanity, followed by, hey,

Speaker 2 this might be my favorite show I've ever watched, right? Like, if it later he had just been like, I think we might be like philosophical zombies, right?

Speaker 2 Like, I don't think just because our bodies pump blood, we're necessary having a lived experience. And he was like, what? And he's like, hey, hey, hey,

Speaker 2 double finger guns.

Speaker 3 That's how I experienced him, though. And I think part of that is the pedigree of Sean Dillingham.

Speaker 2 Oh, please.

Speaker 2 Hope Silverstein, baby.

Speaker 3 No, Sean Dillingham is like, if you look at his resume, the first credit he has is from America's Funniest People.

Speaker 2 All right. I just sent in a video.
How did that happen from the 90s? I got hit in the nuts.

Speaker 3 And then he was on an episode of Brooklyn 9-9.

Speaker 2 Nice.

Speaker 3 And an episode after Trump by Grace. After Trump by Grace, he was on an episode of Better Call Saul.
Amazing. This guy has.

Speaker 3 Some skills.

Speaker 2 There is a local Arizona film scene. I swear to God, there are people in Arizona who make movies for for other people in Arizona.
And they just, I think it's self-contained.

Speaker 2 I think we just don't know about it.

Speaker 2 And when I look over this man's IMDb, he may be a permanent truth teller wherever he goes. For instance, he is in Reflections and You're All Gonna Die.

Speaker 3 And the haunting of Butterscotch Lane.

Speaker 2 Some alien abductions with Abby Hornicat.

Speaker 3 Seven episodes of I Pranked My Parents, whatever that is.

Speaker 2 Okay, so then we, so we cut outside to see what the daughters are chatting about because they were so good at capturing audio indoors. Why not give yourself a challenge, right?

Speaker 2 And this is where we learned that red-headed daughter lost her job yesterday because

Speaker 2 the boss's wife found out she was fucking the boss. Amazing.
Amazing.

Speaker 2 Like, here's the thing. This is a thing that happened to this man and his daughter.

Speaker 2 100%.

Speaker 2 This is not a like, oh, I had an idea. What would be emblematic of like the Hillary years? Like for all of his Hillary people jokes, none of them are this specific to his life.
Oh, no.

Speaker 2 He wrote down his 20 grievances. One was Hillary Clinton.
19 were his whore daughters, and he ate a movie. 100%.

Speaker 2 There's also a great moment afterwards where Joe Bob gets a text from his wife. He goes, I better leave before she thinks I'm pulling a Bill Clinton.
Nailed it. Okay.
Get it? Boom. Hey, cut it.

Speaker 2 Joe Bob, print it. We got it.
Job, nobody thinks you're having an affair with anybody.

Speaker 3 I was on Better Call Saul.

Speaker 2 I can fuck whoever I want.

Speaker 2 I think we were probably in love when we first got married, but we've grown into two different people since then. And I have not the courage nor the independence to leave her.

Speaker 2 She waits for the day I die.

Speaker 2 It might come soon because I'm driving home drunk.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I gave Bob Odenkirk an over-the-pants huge once. I didn't get caught, so that does make sense.
Dan, how dare you? He's not driving home just drunk.

Speaker 3 That's true.

Speaker 2 What does that mean? It means he's taking an upper to counteract the drinking.

Speaker 2 If you take an upper and drink, that's not drinking and driving. That's just regular driving.
That's medium. That's sobriety.
Which balances it back out. Exactly.

Speaker 2 Do not take drinking advice from a podcast. So, okay.

Speaker 2 Don't take driving advice from a podcast.

Speaker 2 Yeah, anything with Eli Bosnick on that. You can take the drug advice, but you should take upper advice.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 I'll give you good drug advice. So the next day, I guess, the red-headed daughter catches Granny at breakfast and tries to borrow $100 off of her.
Now, this is the first we see of Granny.

Speaker 2 Which, again, based on Granny's physical appearance, she might as well try to borrow $100 off of one of the wall sockets.

Speaker 2 Like, Granny is shambling from room to room in like an oversized t-shirt stained with like urine and feces

Speaker 2 and old people blood. The notion that she has any dollars, let alone 100 of them anywhere on her person is mystifying.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I'm going to throw this out. All right.

Speaker 2 I think she made that choice herself. I've watched some of grandma's other grandma, in case you are wondering, is also on many other YouTube videos.
Oh, is she? And she's got...

Speaker 2 She played Hope Silverstein. She's got big thoughts on this world.
And I think some of these choices were her own. She's not like interesting.
She's not the character in the show.

Speaker 2 She's, I guess, with it in a sense.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 In the show, she's like window dressing and like a prop, a thing that is there. And then in other videos, she's like...
the craziest old Trump lady that you could ever imagine.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 she had those vibes. I have a question for the panel here.
The red-headed daughter during this scene is wearing cat ears.

Speaker 2 Is that the filmmaker implying that she shits in a litter box at school? Right. Is that what's going on?

Speaker 2 It's probably one of them furries. I 100% was like, well, I'll just allow that to happen and moved on.

Speaker 2 I had no thoughts.

Speaker 3 My read on it was that it was an empathetic gesture on the daughter's part because the grandma doesn't put in her hearing aids.

Speaker 2 And so it's a way to like not shame her to remind her oh i have to put in my ears yeah maybe that's yeah i thought that might be what it is but that's way too generous of a depiction of the daughter the show hates her yeah the show hates her oh absolutely so yeah so she tries to borrow money off of grandma that doesn't work and then Dano calls her into the living room where he's smoking a cigar next to his elderly mother-in-law.

Speaker 2 The way this man smokes cigars is such a welcome punishment to him as a person, right?

Speaker 2 Like, short, had I genie-like powers where his hands uncontrollably sliced him open at various places with some kind of X-Acto knife, I couldn't dream up a better punishment than the way he will smoke cigars throughout this film.

Speaker 2 Just either hitting it like a joint or puffing it and immediately coughing smoke into his own eyes. It's fabulous.
It looks like he's trying to like pull off a difficult blowjob, right? Yes.

Speaker 2 Like, boom, okay.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think he doesn't actually smoke cigars and he just wants to look cool, which is, I find it so interesting whenever he chooses affectations that he believes are going to make him look good, because it says to me that he can understand that he could look good or bad.

Speaker 2 So the fact that he allows himself to be seen doing all of these other things suggests he doesn't think they're bad. Right.

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 2 so yeah, so he calls the daughter and he says, Hey, your sister snitched on you. I know you lost your job.
So, until you find another job, you have to be the church's butler, right? Now,

Speaker 2 this never comes back in any way into this movie, right?

Speaker 2 He just saw Seinfeld and he's like, No, sentence to be a butler is a, is a TV show thing, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah, and there's really not much of an addressing of the fact that he knows that she lost the job because she was having sex with her boss.

Speaker 2 Well, he does offer some great wisdom when that comes up. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Don't crap where you eat. No, he doesn't get it right because that would be him getting it correct.
No, you're right. Yes.
That would be him getting it correct while not using shit.

Speaker 2 He said, don't crap where you work, which is amazing. Of course, you have to crap where you work.

Speaker 2 What do you do when you have to take a shit and there's still six hours left in your shift? All right.

Speaker 2 You don't shit in the bed of the truck unless your truck's away from work.

Speaker 2 100%.

Speaker 2 Still don't. Never crap.
Never crap. Never crap.
Never crap. And then bees come flying out of his mouth and they.

Speaker 3 What you got to do, you dumb daughter, is you got to not eat where you work, but also, like Bill Clinton said, eating ain't cheating.

Speaker 2 I have confused myself.

Speaker 2 I'm not sure what's more important, Trump or misogyny right now. I am confused.

Speaker 2 I would fail the Turing test is what I'm saying right now. I would fool no one.

Speaker 3 Does the Turing test involve sobriety?

Speaker 2 Yeah, right, right.

Speaker 2 You're saying I got to blow into this robot?

Speaker 2 If I stand on both legs, maybe. This scene is maybe the perfect scene of like.

Speaker 2 What this time capsule should be is that this is a man who believes that his daughter is just fucking her boss as opposed to like, this is a, this is like a, you haven't paid attention to me in long enough.

Speaker 2 And like, there's any number of emotional, familial relationship problems that could be exemplified best by her fucking her boss, coming to him, lying about it, and then him giving nothing more than, well, you shouldn't fuck at work.

Speaker 2 That's it. Yep.
You're my father. Hey, my boss slept with me.
I blame you.

Speaker 2 Totally. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, there's only one person

Speaker 2 This is all fucked up, dad. Help me.
You gave mom too many pills.

Speaker 2 She said her back hurt.

Speaker 2 And I didn't like it.

Speaker 2 She wouldn't fuck me when her back hurt.

Speaker 2 So I murdered her.

Speaker 2 I murdered her. I will murder her with the lowest deeper.
The lowest rated doctor on Yelp in Arizona and me got together and murdered your mom so I could fuck her six more times.

Speaker 2 Like, and that's the other thing. This is all about him and his relationship with his wife, who was a casualty of the opioid crisis.

Speaker 2 And at no point in time does he ever stop and think, I wonder if my important to my life daughters gave a fuck. Yeah.
Nope. Right.
Not at all. Not once.

Speaker 3 And it's fresh, too. Like, she died a year ago.

Speaker 2 They said

Speaker 3 first Christmas without mom. Like, it's right.
They should still be in a pretty serious grieving.

Speaker 2 That's probably why he's drinking so much.

Speaker 3 It might be.

Speaker 2 So then we cut to this, like sometime later, the nurse wakes him up from his couch nap. This scene is so fucking weird because it's just the nurse wakes him up and says, hey, can I leave?

Speaker 2 And he goes, yep. Hey, do you hate us? And she goes, yep.

Speaker 2 And that's the whole scene. Yep.

Speaker 3 It's not a couch nap. He was passed out.

Speaker 2 Well, no, that's fair. That's fair.

Speaker 2 He had his little eye nap pillow thing on and everything. He has a very involved eye pillow.
I feel like, okay, so this man is genuinely worried the eye pillow is gay, but he really likes it.

Speaker 2 So he's still using it. Yep.
Yep. Taking it back.

Speaker 2 So the nurse leaves and then he turns to a picture of his dead wife and gets mad at her for dying for a bit.

Speaker 3 Why'd you have to succumb to the peels? Yeah.

Speaker 2 I think that's fair. I think that's regular grieving.
I think that one makes sense.

Speaker 2 I think you do often have, like in this kind of situation, you do have displaced anger towards the person who you want most to return to your life. It makes sense.
No, you're right.

Speaker 2 Occasionally, this guy is so deeply human and so weirdly alien. Yep.
He's fascinating. That's the thing, right?

Speaker 2 Like, because if you could see this in a normal TV show being a poignant moment, but then in the next scene, he'll be like, I'm a lizard boy. Everyone dance to the drum.

Speaker 2 Thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump. And you're just like, wait, wait, wait, what? I thought there was a human.
No, this could not be made by anyone but this guy.

Speaker 2 Yes, this way. And all of this is just so specific.
I want to show this to important people.

Speaker 2 I want to ask Barack Obama what he thinks about it, right? I want to be like, okay, man, Barry, what are we doing with this? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Barack Obama, do you feel like your policies had a role in creating?

Speaker 2 This guy has strong feelings about you.

Speaker 2 What do you think about him, man?

Speaker 3 I would also like to talk to McLean. I'd love to get on an interview with Brian McClain.
Just try and gauge his awareness.

Speaker 2 You guys can have that. I don't think I want to talk to him.
I think I would have to fight him. Sooner or later, we'd get to talking.
And then eventually there would be a fight.

Speaker 2 But as in from a distance, the inevitable outcome. My answer is yes.
You should fight.

Speaker 2 Why not both? Interview and a fight. No, that's true.
That's true. That would be a good podcast.
Interview and a fight.

Speaker 2 I think if we agreed ahead of time, you were going to fight him at the end of the interview, it would add an interesting twist to the question. Yeah,

Speaker 2 I think it goes back to where I was, the way I was raised with that story earlier of like, oh, you know, you're like, there are some people who need to listen, but who cannot listen because where they grew up, in order to listen, you need to be knocked on your ass first.

Speaker 2 Like, that was how you listen. All right.
So, so in a lot of situations, we're like, in the, we're in the present where we're like, hey, listen, we're not all fucking apes, man.

Speaker 2 But some people are apes, man. So maybe what we're saying is that sometimes violence solves problems.
That's what we're saying. I'm not saying it solves problems.

Speaker 2 I'm saying that in order for certain people to listen to words, they need cysticuffs first. Yeah, I'm saying it does solve problems.

Speaker 3 I'm not agreeing with Jordan, but what he's saying is it's a facilitator.

Speaker 3 Violence isn't the answer. It's just part of getting you to get the right.

Speaker 2 could use booze theoretically, but I think it would go the wrong direction and wind up with the fisticuffs again.

Speaker 2 Right. Yeah, you get there one way or the other.

Speaker 2 All roads lead to fisticuffs. Listen, we're talking about health care now.
That's the important thing. Exactly.

Speaker 2 So then we get another title card, which is good because I thought we had forgotten we were doing scene titles. And this one is titled The Holy Spirit.

Speaker 2 So again, we start where we already were, him napping on his fart couch or whatever.

Speaker 2 And then he wakes up again at this point and i guess he's had a revelation he's definitely signaling that through his facial uh expressions yeah he's

Speaker 2 barreling the camera he is doing

Speaker 2 so much face acting right now he's saying in his fucking head over and over again face act face act face act it's so we should explain what's physically happening in the universe because it's so important to understand this scene he has you can see democracy doesn't work is what's happening yeah 100 that for sure he has an earbud in his ear and he has recorded the lines of this monologue and he's listening to them before he says them yes right and we can we can see that's what's happening so he's sort of doing it as divine revelation but like it's real it's so real like we're actually watching this man be surprised by the words he wrote and recorded for himself to say yep my notes are in order if i may if i ever win a billion dollars i'm just gonna make keith watch this scene over and over again

Speaker 2 keith get closer to the screen put your tongue to the screen so so here's what he actually says he wakes up he wakes up by the way with a glass of whiskey with ice in it next to him right so this guy's a short nap yeah exactly hasn't been that long he goes it was a miracle and then he waits for the next line in his headphones he goes a message and then he waits God's grace.

Speaker 2 And then he waits, an undeserved paper. And he just delivers the entire monologue like that.
Yeah. But the monologue is all about, I guess, him realizing that God answered his prayer specifically.

Speaker 2 So it's really his fault that Trump won. And now he's got to make good with all the promises he made to Jesus, right? Yeah, he's on the hook.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 2 What do you think this guy believes about what happened next? Because this was before Biden got elected.

Speaker 2 So like, Does he think Biden was God like just taking a quick mulligan and being like, I'm switching up?

Speaker 2 Guys, Guys, I'm sorry. That did not work out.
I think Dan can answer this because Dan watched the follow-up series, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So how does that play out if you were going to say, like, in this case, this is a story about his regular life if Trump had won.
Imagine his regular life if Trump had lost.

Speaker 2 And I believe Dan can explain the plot of the follow-up series. Well,

Speaker 3 yeah, I would, I think that, I don't know.

Speaker 3 This is going to get into a grand thought. And I apologize in advance.

Speaker 2 Take us there, Dan Baby. Look at me.
Look at that. Hey, if there aren't grand thoughts in this fucking show, yeah,

Speaker 2 it up. Speckle them.

Speaker 3 I think that this,

Speaker 3 these two episodes perfectly crystallize this idea of I have prayed for Trump to win and he won, and now I must become a soldier in some positive vision of what Trump's win is going to mean.

Speaker 3 And that's why there's only two episodes because it's a dead end.

Speaker 3 There's like these good intentions and all of this that he has, but it's not really all that interesting. It doesn't excite you.
You don't really want to get better.

Speaker 3 It's just a feeling that you had in the moment. And the feeling of the obligation to God that he's feeling in that greatly acted staring at the camera moment.

Speaker 3 When you're talking too about the like, what is it when Biden wins? It like he does two episodes of this, two lost episodes that we can't find.

Speaker 2 Of Biden by Grace?

Speaker 3 No. He then starts doing this God's Trumpet series, which is predicated on he has written this children's book about the resurrected rock star, Zach Masters.

Speaker 2 Which is a real thing, which he actually did right. What?

Speaker 3 Right. And so the God's Trumpet series

Speaker 2 is the globalists have...

Speaker 3 kidnapped him and are holding him hostage because his book is too dangerous to their evil plans. So it's like, that is what is more interesting.
That's more exciting.

Speaker 3 That's where the story inevitably goes.

Speaker 2 It's more exciting for Biden to be the president and him to be a hero in opposition trying to take down the president

Speaker 2 than it is for him to accidentally win a bet with God and then have to work out. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Right.

Speaker 3 That's interesting for a minute, but

Speaker 3 you just run out of track.

Speaker 2 If I wanted to work out, I would already be in shape. There you go.
Instead, I'm on my chair drinking and smoking like an adult. Yeah.
Well, we'll get to the working out thing in the next episode.

Speaker 2 You got to have a nemesis, though. That makes sense.
Like the deep state, the globalist deep state, like led by Hope Silverstein with superpowers.

Speaker 2 Exactly. And that's the point is that the nemesis in this show,

Speaker 3 if allowed to be examined, is within him.

Speaker 2 Yes. Right.

Speaker 3 And that's why there is two episodes of this show, because otherwise, as his

Speaker 3 self-improvement, he would start to realize how distant he is to his daughters. He would start to realize, oh my God, I only have a relationship with my mother-in-law through a nurse.

Speaker 3 He would start to realize these things. It would be a problem.

Speaker 2 No, if I am the villain in my show about me,

Speaker 2 I am the villain in my life about me. Right.
Yes. Right.
What does that say about Trump? It's not his.

Speaker 2 Oh, interesting. So, okay, so we got to go quick through this last bit, but so we get the we get our final title scene, which is five minutes.

Speaker 2 And this is where he's going to sit outside with his dead ghost wife, telling her how much he would give for five more minutes with her. And she won't talk to him at all.

Speaker 2 She's silently, yeah. I think this one is actually fascinating because it's right next to the, I'm listening to my own recorded lines in my head scene.
Yep.

Speaker 2 So he's got the, in the last scene, he's got the camera straight ahead. He's listening to his own lines as he speaks them.

Speaker 2 I mean, waiting patiently to listen to them and then speak them.

Speaker 2 But in this scene, now we've got it at a three-quarter angle. He's not looking at the camera.
He's kind of looking at what he truly believes is his dead wife in the moment. And it sounds natural.

Speaker 3 He's not acting here.

Speaker 2 No, I don't think he's genuinely grieving his wife. I think this scene.
This is his best work by far. Which is crazy.
It's fucking shit. And he showed it to us.

Speaker 2 I didn't ask him to record his grieving and then give it to me. He showed it to me on purpose.
Yes. Out of his own free will.

Speaker 2 Vulnerable artiste. Absolutely.

Speaker 3 But Jordan, that response that you have is predicated on our belief having not... We don't really know this for sure, but I believe his wife is dead.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 The guy who made this show.

Speaker 2 100%.

Speaker 2 I think all his dogs are dead, man. I think all of this shit's really...
Yeah.

Speaker 2 All of this shit's really sad. Casualties of the

Speaker 2 opioid economic. Yeah, right, right.

Speaker 3 Dog opiates.

Speaker 2 Dog's back hurt, and I couldn't fuck it.

Speaker 2 Oh, Jesus. So, but then the thing is, though, is that because this is just him improving his grief, it ends.

Speaker 2 He's trying to end with something profound, and he goes, you know, but that's the thing about life.

Speaker 2 Death happens eventually. But then the ghost leaves before he's done.

Speaker 2 It does. It does.

Speaker 2 The ghost.

Speaker 2 I think he thinks that's a reveal that when it disappears, we're going to be like, oh, the wife's not even there, but it's not. We obviously know.

Speaker 2 And so when she disappears, it's like she just got sick of his bullshit.

Speaker 3 But this is where I think it is actually profound. I think that there's an accidental profundity to this.
And that is that the episode is titled Answered Prayers. And he has two prayers.

Speaker 3 One is that Trump be put into presidency, the other is that he gets five more minutes with his wife. He gets both of those things.

Speaker 3 Well, because at the end, that's the metaphor.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 The visual language is that she is sitting there with him.

Speaker 2 I gotcha. Okay.

Speaker 3 And he doesn't realize that she's there. He is taking for granted the five minutes that he's being given with his dead wife while he sits out by the pool.
Right.

Speaker 3 And so she disappears in a way of like,

Speaker 3 yeah,

Speaker 3 I'm here. I'm I'm always here.
You don't even realize.

Speaker 2 In the same way that

Speaker 2 he's taking for granted his current daughters who are alive, the way he's taking for granted his mansion that he absolutely did not build with his own money. Yeah, right.

Speaker 3 His super cool drunk friend.

Speaker 2 Yeah, absolutely. He's taking advantage of all of these people, or he's taking for granted all of these people.

Speaker 2 And his own show about trying to understand himself taking advantage of them, he can't follow through on. That's That's fucking amazing.

Speaker 2 And his ghost wife poofs away like a therapist, being like, okay, our time is up. Our time is up.
Yeah, right. So

Speaker 2 there is something you want to drop another nickel into it.

Speaker 2 There is a thing inside of him that knows that it's trying to get out, and he is killing it in front of our eyes.

Speaker 2 Well, yeah, because then we cut to him saying his prayer, right? He's like thanking God for letting Trump get elected.

Speaker 2 And he starts talking in all of these vague ass vagaries or whatever, these fucking cliches, where he's like, God,

Speaker 2 let's make this ride the ride of my life. And we're like, what ride? What are you even talking about? Is trucks something with trucks?

Speaker 2 Truck rides.

Speaker 2 If I stop drinking for more than three hours, the thoughts are so mean, God. God, the thoughts are so mean.

Speaker 2 I don't. I Trump.
Trump.

Speaker 2 Exactly. Exactly.
Yeah. There you go.
And credits. And credits right now.

Speaker 2 Now that's a show.

Speaker 3 Well, and then there's another issue with these prayers, too.

Speaker 3 And that is that, like, he's offered something to God for Trump being put into the presidency, but he has not bargained for his wife's life.

Speaker 2 Oh, interesting. That's true.
Interesting. He's like, I ain't going to do a whole fucking bow flex for the bitch.

Speaker 3 He said when he's talking to her that he would give it all up for five more minutes with her when they're talking about by the pool, but he doesn't make a deal with God. No, you're right.

Speaker 3 That to me implies that that's not a deal that needs to be made. She and her love is always there.
And he fucking feels like he needs to give God something, a quid pro quo. See, like Russia gate.

Speaker 2 That's fascinating. I just, I, I, I understand where you're coming from, and I think I have a different point of view on it.
And that is, I think that he he is

Speaker 2 unable to think that God can actually do it. Of these things, he inadvertently limits his own God because he's like, well, God can't bring her back to life, but God can get Trump elected.

Speaker 2 His faith is ultimately meaningless. It's based purely around bullshit.
Yes, it's basically, yeah, he prays that one-sixth of the time the dial come up three. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Maybe Trump can bring her back to life. Well,

Speaker 2 all right. Well, in a world that loved us, that would be the end of the show.
But in this world, we've got a whole nother episode of this shit to do. So we're going to take a break first.

Speaker 2 But first, let me give episode two the hard sell.

Speaker 2 Will an incident be incited?

Speaker 2 Will action rise and or fall? Will there be a plot? No. Find out what will happen instead when we come back for episode two of Trump by grace.

Speaker 2 Okay, well, can you look up my card number?

Speaker 2 Because I'm a paying customer. Hey, Eli, what you doing there? Are you trying to get a refund from Disney World again? They told you once, happiest place on earth is a tagline, not a promise.

Speaker 2 Okay, first of all, that lawsuit is pending. And second, no, I'm trying to get my finances in order for 2025.
Oh, what? That's actually a great goal. I know, right?

Speaker 2 Problem is, I haven't saved any of my receipts or anything. And Subway just won't tell me how much I've spent there.
Why would they have that information?

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All right, guys. Thanks.
Now, if you'll excuse me, the adult superstore is my next phone call.

Speaker 2 But I thought you were going to try Rocket Money. No, I'd actually like to hear this phone call.
Yeah, okay, me too. Hey, Dave, it's Eline.
No, no, nothing stuck, but I appreciate you checking.

Speaker 2 There it is.

Speaker 2 From the makers of Trump by Greats, Last Man Standing, and pretty much all the Gramps movies. You kids have a thing or two to learn from me, I'll tell you that.

Speaker 2 Comes a series about a rapid change in mood, financial planning, and linguistic fluency. I'm leaving all my money to the concept of racism.

Speaker 3 Dad, please don't.

Speaker 2 A man done with all the back sass and the talk back.

Speaker 2 Never tell me where to put my shoes. Grandpa, it's Christmas.
And the ability to drive. Stop sign came out of nowhere.

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Do it, you coward.

Speaker 2 Hussein Obama.

Speaker 2 And we're back for episode two, and we're literally going to start with a previously on reminder in case man drunkenly mumbles from fart couch was too much for you to keep in your head altogether, right?

Speaker 2 Previously on Trump by Grace, I had 18 rum and cokes, and it's not going good. I really like my distilled sugar cane to be a little sweeter, so I add Coke to it.

Speaker 2 And you're watching my feet slowly rock.

Speaker 2 Hope you're enjoying it. Dan peeled back my skin and saw the baby my mother loved more than she ever loved anyone.

Speaker 2 And then I closed it tight and sewed the husk up on top of it. Anyways,

Speaker 3 did I mention that my daughters daughters suck?

Speaker 2 Yeah. At this point, I wrote, it's like he made a movie where everyone he knows falls for you've got a spot on your shirt.

Speaker 2 I like whenever after one episode, you do a best of. Yes, right.

Speaker 2 Because it's like

Speaker 2 he chose these not for plot reasons. Like these were his like, oh man.

Speaker 2 I got to run these back. People might have, if you didn't watch the first episode, well, at least you're going to get the best jokes.
Right. The highlights, if you will.

Speaker 2 Not like, oh, the plot is advanced. No, yeah, right.
Those plot lines include him turning to Joe Bob and going, I think I'm getting the itch. That's how it ends, right? Yep.

Speaker 2 So then we get this amazing scene where he, I guess, justifies writing off his drone by taking his dog for a jog that very quickly turns into a walk.

Speaker 3 It's hot out. It's Arizona.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 No, it's, I so wanted to find out later that he like destroyed the camera in this drone by like aiming it at the sun for this long. Well, and the point of this scene, right?

Speaker 2 The point of this drone dog walk is that there was a rant so constant and so unhinged that he couldn't bother to shoot it on his living room couch.

Speaker 2 Like Joe Bob couldn't go long enough without urinating on himself while he sat there and said this.

Speaker 2 So it's literally just the desert of his soul personified while he's like, I think Ronald Reagan said it best. No, he didn't.
He never

Speaker 2 said very well. Yes.

Speaker 2 Unless he said, I have dementia, please fake my signature until I'm no longer president. It's not the thing Ronald Reagan said the best.

Speaker 3 I think the exterior in the outdoors is just, it's supposed to feel inspirational.

Speaker 3 I think he was trying to get that vibe and it missed.

Speaker 2 He was going for Rocky. He was straight up going for Rocky.
Like, you were supposed to

Speaker 2 look at this man attempt about to turn his life around

Speaker 2 in essence. That's what he believes from the palatial Arizona mansion that his dad's money bought.
Yeah. Turn his life around in a bright red matching sweatsuit that he also wrote off.
Totally.

Speaker 2 Well, that's the armor of God, Heath, the full armor of God that he's putting on. And again, I believe him.
I truly, and now here's the thing about this little monologue of his.

Speaker 3 I believe,

Speaker 2 he believes that he needs to get in shape to help the president of the United States.

Speaker 2 To help the president make America great again with his jogging skills. Yes.
That's what Durant is. And his dog.

Speaker 3 And his dog Trump.

Speaker 2 Yes. Yes.
He did. Right, right, right, right.
But I feel like you're not clearly understanding this.

Speaker 2 This is not a man talking on tv about how he's going to get in shape and and and clearly making an exaggerated metaphor or or embellishing or or

Speaker 2 indulging in any number of literary devices this is a man who believes that god the god of black holes and the universe yes has chosen him to get in shape to help the president of the united states against blank you understand that that that is a belief he holds.

Speaker 2 Well, and

Speaker 2 to do that by making this show,

Speaker 2 which is about him making this show, ultimately.

Speaker 3 Right. Right.

Speaker 3 That's something that we need to address that we haven't yet is that the revelation that he had in the first episode, the Trump by Grace, what he's going to do to hold up his end of the bargain with God ultimately is.

Speaker 3 the show that we're watching. Yes.
Because he starts an entertainment company called Lodestar, which is is the company that made this show that we're watching.

Speaker 2 Exactly.

Speaker 3 So the act of doing the things that are on the show are like a spiritual necessity.

Speaker 2 Yeah. If he walked out of his house in the last shot of this TV show and he was in the village of From, it would make the same

Speaker 2 sense.

Speaker 2 I promise you, I promise you, one of my favorite authors is Ken Keese.

Speaker 2 And if one of the characters in one flew over the cuckoo's nest said half of this shit, you'd be like, well, yeah, they're supposed to be there. Yes.

Speaker 3 Jordan, Jordan, do you think we're not going to believe you that Ken Kesey is your favorite?

Speaker 2 Right? You feel like I said one of, but also, fair enough. I think I could have seen you from across the street and been like, that guy loves Ken Kesey.

Speaker 2 It seemed like you thought we wouldn't trust you.

Speaker 2 So then we get our title card for this.

Speaker 2 And this is the first title card or like subtitle card or whatever for this episode and hey he's figured out how to put the subtitles in the same font as the title in this one which is a big step so this one the scene title is the first lie and i'm like no no

Speaker 2 we've been through a few by now that's a lie sir yeah right

Speaker 2 so now this is the bit where his he his daughters are in the other room talking about how Trump is going to get impeached and then Hillary will become the default president.

Speaker 2 Okay, now I have to say, this was a fascinating insight into his mind, right? Like, because it didn't occur to me for him to do theory of mind of us, right?

Speaker 2 And what he thinks Democrats wanted from Trump's impeachment was that Hillary Clinton gets to be president. Think about how little he has to know about all the things to think that's what we think.

Speaker 2 Well, so I think what he was doing there was conflating, because there was all that dumb shit from idiots on the left saying that, you know, if Jill Stein got her recount, then Hillary would win or some nonsense or whatever.

Speaker 2 So I think he was conflating that with the impeachment, and then he just put that all together as one thing in his head, right? Which is still

Speaker 2 a fascinating insight into the jumble of brain cells that he calls a thought, right?

Speaker 3 But from watching as much of the, you know, sort of right-wing media stuff as I do, I know even until like last week, it's been a constant obsession of how Hillary is going to, you know, weasel her way into being president.

Speaker 3 So like this to me felt like that makes total sense that you would think this.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think you are mistaking the idea that.

Speaker 2 Just because there were some examples of a thing like what he's describing happening in a media sphere, you have to remember that his access to that media sphere is zero to none.

Speaker 2 He is only understanding information from the right-wing media sphere. So it doesn't matter if somebody on the left was saying any of this nonsense.
Right.

Speaker 2 What matters is that the right-wing was going to say, they want Hillary Clinton to be president. Whatever any of them tell you about laws, what they want is for Hillary to be president.

Speaker 2 See, some asshole tweeted it once. Right.
Well, yeah, because he asked the daughters, he's like, where are you getting this? And they're like, the news, like Facebook and Twitter. Right.

Speaker 2 Because the right wing says that the news is telling them this. Yes.
But they're the ones being told.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So, but the important thing is that he's now going to mansplain impeachment to his daughters.

Speaker 3 Incorrectly.

Speaker 2 Well, yeah. So, so the thing is, what's really happening here is this man wanted to own some libs in a argument.

Speaker 2 So he paid some women to pretend to be his liberal daughters so they could win an argument for a change.

Speaker 3 Yep. But even in that, even in that construction, I don't think he does.

Speaker 2 No, no, you're right.

Speaker 2 You're right. He manages to lose even that.
He loses his shower thought to himself in these meetings. Yeah.
It's awesome.

Speaker 3 Even though the fake version of his like, you know, sort of conversation or debate opponent is like, ah,

Speaker 3 you know, like she's even very, she's a very soft opponent that he has, he's scripted for him to go up against and he still loses.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he still loses. It's tragic.
There's a line that he repeats, and it reminded me of that tweet.

Speaker 2 I know I've talked about it before, but there's a tweet that's like so much of what boomers think are morals are actually just lead poisoning.

Speaker 2 And the line that he repeats twice: Trump colluding with the Russians is like me colluding with al-Qaeda.

Speaker 2 But the thing that's so brilliant about it is there's no follow-through, and he just says it again, right? He says, Trump colluding with Russians.

Speaker 2 I disagree. I think this is actually the funniest funniest thing that happened.
No, I mean,

Speaker 2 I agree with most of what you said, but you're missing the one in between line, which is he says, obviously, he says his joke that he thinks is funny twice.

Speaker 2 But in between, what's actually funny is that the daughter he wrote for himself goes, that's not true, is it, Daddy?

Speaker 2 As though there is a very real possibility that he could be working with Al Qaeda.

Speaker 2 She is not like, well, what a great joke, Dad. She's like, wait, do we have that capability?

Speaker 2 Right. Well, yeah, there are so many ways to refute this whole Trump's going to get impeached and then Hillary gets to be president thing.

Speaker 2 What he goes with is Trump didn't collude with the Russians, which is untrue. He did, though.
We do know that.

Speaker 2 So did this guy collude with Al-Qaeda?

Speaker 2 Right. No, that's the.

Speaker 2 It's the only...

Speaker 3 I mean, he was in the oil business.

Speaker 3 I mean, who knows?

Speaker 2 What kind of dealings he had? Yeah, that's like HW being like, hey, man, we never sold Coke King. Bullshit.

Speaker 2 Now, so I, but, and I should point out, too, that when I say that he, like, you know, the Trump didn't collude with the Russians thing, I'm having to translate out of this guy's drunkenes,

Speaker 2 right? Like, like, he never actually, you always have to sort of interpret his points, like old biblical passages.

Speaker 2 I like that. I like that.
There's always a deeper meaning behind the meaning.

Speaker 2 He speaks in parables in a way.

Speaker 2 See, my whore daughters are. Okay.

Speaker 2 So then we get this compromise scene title that says, Meet Dave the financial guru, right?

Speaker 2 Because at first it says meet Dave and then it switches to financial guru as though he was in an argument with himself, I guess.

Speaker 3 I think he got sued by Eddie Murphy.

Speaker 2 I rewrote that title to I'm not racist. Right.
Yes. There is a black guy in my show.
Everyone says I'm racist, but I'm not racist. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I love this scene because it's what a stupid person thinks a rich person does with their financial manager. Yes.
Like, as we have all hinted at, right?

Speaker 2 There is no question that this guy inherited his dad's emerald mine or whatever the fuck it is. And he's just sort of scared into the middle distance, collecting residuals forever.

Speaker 2 But in a movie, he has to represent himself as someone who takes care of his own money. So he basically is asking this guy about his offshore accounts.
Yes. Got to move him back.

Speaker 2 He's got a manila envelope that has three pieces of paper. He turns to his financial manager and he goes, Is this everything I have offshore? And he goes, Yep.
He goes, Put it on shore now.

Speaker 2 I need you to swim out and get the gold back.

Speaker 2 I know we're doing the end of the flamingo brief thing, the John novel, but I need it. The boat can't not

Speaker 2 get out. What?

Speaker 3 Dry off of my money.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but he wants to bring all his money back into America to help make it great again. And the financial manager, Davey, he goes, oh, you have some ideas?

Speaker 2 He goes, yeah, I got a few ideas, per culeton,

Speaker 2 packlayton. He thinks the way I spell.

Speaker 2 So, and so Dave says, well, you know, my nephew just started a company apropos of nothing. He goes, oh, what kind of company? He goes, social media.
To which Dano says, what's social media?

Speaker 2 And then the financial guru is like, you know, Facebook. And he gestures around his face.

Speaker 2 Yes, like that. Is it this kind of book? Facebook, Twitter, Google.
And I don't. I don't think Google's a social media company.
Nope. Nope.
And they had one for a minute, but that didn't work out.

Speaker 2 But Dave's nephew's starting line.

Speaker 2 It's still the only one I'm allowed on.

Speaker 2 It's the only social media I was able to use responsibly.

Speaker 3 I find this to be one of the more unbelievable moments. The idea that this character doesn't know about social media is shocking.

Speaker 2 Yes, right.

Speaker 3 He's already yelled at his daughter for getting news from Facebook and stuff. So that's ridiculous.
But I do believe he probably maybe,

Speaker 3 I don't know, just hears about things from social media more because I don't feel like he has the sobriety to use a computer.

Speaker 2 Read a whole tweet. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah. He strikes me as someone who, like,

Speaker 3 later in this episode, the daughters are shocked and worried when he's not in his chair.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And, like, there isn't a laptop.
And immediately begin fantasizing about his death. Well, yeah, no, we'll get to that.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 But so, yeah, but he's like, all right, call your nephew at the social media company. So get him on the phone.
So he gets on the phone with him. What are you texting? Yeah.
I'm an adult man, sir.

Speaker 2 That's not how you speak to me. Never mind.
You can talk to me like that. Okay.

Speaker 2 All right. Fine.
Cool. Okay.
I cannot say this enough. And I think Noah and Heath can also speak from their Christian hearts and say this as well.

Speaker 2 I cannot tell you how many calls exactly like the one we see in this scene I have been on. Yes.
Where some guy who thinks he's the big kahuna does this bullshit thing.

Speaker 2 And that phone call 100% of the time is followed up by him calling me back to go, hey, I actually can't do any of the things I said I could do on the phone. You have to talk to Cindy over in HR.

Speaker 2 I'm just the general regional office man or paperclip doctor. Oh my God.
I had a guy call me that was sure that he was going to buy my podcasting company from me at one point.

Speaker 2 And just, it was this goddamn conversation with this guy for fucking eight minutes until I made him understand that that was stupid.

Speaker 2 I'm not going to to say who, but two of us worked for this guy.

Speaker 2 Eli wanted us to do a reverse mortgage on the podcasting company.

Speaker 2 Okay, well, that's who you were. I think he knows what any of that means.
Okay, yeah, I'm thinking it's Bill Gates. I think this scene is

Speaker 2 interesting for what it says about the man's self-image. So, this scene I would like to call, I'm not a racist, even though everybody calls me a racist.
Yes.

Speaker 2 And this scene is essentially him speaking to to a black man as though he was a servant at best. Yes.
Right. Like, no, it ends with him going, like, now get back to work.
Get back to work, Dave. Yes.

Speaker 2 And Dave, the actor, suddenly becomes Dave, the black man. And I took a picture of his face and texted it to Dan because Dave, the black man, does not want to be talked to like this.

Speaker 2 How dare you, sir? And this conversation, hey, listen, get him on the horn. You do not, again, do not talk to me like that.
Say, please, say something.

Speaker 2 Say anything other than get him on the horn from me. Do you mean my nephew on my phone? Fuck you.
Right. Jesus, I wanted to fight him.
And this is the scene where he wants to prove he's not a racist.

Speaker 2 Yes. Amazing.
Yeah, right. So he gets the guy on the phone.
He says, I have three questions for you. Do you believe in the Lord? Who'd you vote for? And are you married or have a serious girlfriend?

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 3 The third one was strange. I didn't expect that.
That seemed like, why?

Speaker 2 Why are you

Speaker 2 good Christian man? Good Christian man is married. I guess.
That way he's not out fucking my two whore daughters.

Speaker 2 Fair. Well, being married hasn't stopped anyone from fucking his whore daughters.

Speaker 2 Well, regardless, the three questions, the answers check out. And he's like, perfect.
I'm going to invest all my money in this social media company of your nephew.

Speaker 2 And I was like, okay, that's dumb, dumb, but this goes so much better than Truth Social. So like that's true, it does go better by definitionally.

Speaker 2 But it's even dumber than that because he's not investing in the company. He's hiring this kid, this nephew, for a job that has not yet been defined.
We'll get there. We'll come back to this.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I think he's the one filming the show, right? Like, that's... I think so.
Yeah. That's where it goes is that this is the media company he's hiring to make his own TV show.
Yes. Right.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 I think ultimately that that's what we're, we would take away from it if there were more episodes.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 But this is that's the sense that you get.

Speaker 2 Yes. It's the making of the T-show, the TV show.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Much like Seinfeld.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Really? Yeah.
If you think about it, you see, it's just meta. So, okay.
He's got to learn how to swoosh out of a doodly-doo and then get into the

Speaker 2 real.

Speaker 2 So then, so we get him and Joe Bob. They're watching the news later talking about how much Trump didn't collude with the Russians.
Right.

Speaker 2 Now, there was a, because I, you know, obviously I'm a podcaster, a bit of an audiophile here.

Speaker 2 The weird sound effects that kept showing up in one headphone and not the other during this scene were fucking fascinating to me because I spent the whole time trying to figure out how one would accidentally do that.

Speaker 2 And I cannot think of any way it happens. Yeah.
Was it the left ear?

Speaker 2 It switched. It switched.
It was the left ear for a while and then it was the right ear. Interesting because I only watched it with the right headphone.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 I assumed that stereo wasn't going to be a big part of the sound yeah and look what you missed out on you missed like half the movie i assumed that a television was on

Speaker 2 yeah that while they were filming someone was watching television and they were like craig do you mind and craig was like i do mind yeah

Speaker 2 maybe it had something to do with like feedback from the earbuds that were feeding the lobby yeah yeah right or something yeah so but regardless they managed that the the point of this scene though is that the nurse comes in and says that granny wants to go to Walmart.

Speaker 2 And they say, what does she need?

Speaker 2 And the nurse says, feminine supplies,

Speaker 2 which Joe and Dano have a great big laugh at.

Speaker 2 Lady stuff.

Speaker 2 Do not call him Joe. Call him by his name.
Oh, Joe by Joe by his Christian name.

Speaker 2 Sir, have a little respect.

Speaker 2 Multiple episodes of Better Call Saul. Thank you.

Speaker 2 Really? But then he says, at this age, when she says feminine needs, she means flowers and dirt. What the fuck does that mean? I don't know.
Ladies love gardening.

Speaker 2 I genuinely think this is another one. Like, I think that the,

Speaker 2 oh, grandma's feeding the chickens line, which it'll be, I think, is later. Yeah.
But is another 30-second scene.

Speaker 2 Like, I think these are things that he directly pulled from his life that he thinks are hilarious. Yes.

Speaker 2 Like, he thinks that when this actual thing happened in his life and he actually turned to his Joe Bob in real life, he said these actual words and Joe Bob laughed and then they put it in the show.

Speaker 2 Right. And he's like, write that down.

Speaker 2 100%.

Speaker 2 Remember it. Remember it.
I would not have

Speaker 2 written that. Yeah.
And what also happened in his real life was right after that, he was like, but yeah,

Speaker 2 Walmart's fucking fucking awesome. Let's go to Walmart.
And no, and then the show he goes, yeah, let's go to Walmart. What? Yep, let's all go to Walmart.
What are we doing here?

Speaker 3 I legitimately felt at that moment unsafe.

Speaker 3 I was worried about him standing up. I was worried about the idea of him going in public.
He seemed so drunk that I was like, you can't drive.

Speaker 2 None of you can't. Who's driving? Who's driving? The nurse better drive.
That's the only way this works. Even Granny on all the pills would be better than this guy.
Yeah. So

Speaker 2 they leave and then the daughters come in. They see him not in the chair.
And like Jordan was saying, they panic. They're like, oh, fuck.
You think he's dead?

Speaker 2 He's probably dead if he's not in that fucking chair right there.

Speaker 3 You know, he doesn't do anything else

Speaker 3 except sit there, drink, and be a dick.

Speaker 2 And they're and they're like, Do you do you think he's dead? And they're like, I don't know. You want to go shopping? And they're like, Yep.
I do.

Speaker 2 God, I thought they were all going to meet up at Walmart and it was going to be fun. Me too.

Speaker 3 It was a setup for that.

Speaker 2 Imagine writing other people talking this way about you behind your back.

Speaker 2 Right. That you can write your family saying anything about you.
And what they say two sentences in is, maybe he's dead. Let's go shopping.

Speaker 2 You know, one of the best, one of the best writing lessons that I ever learned was I was 19 and I was just taking this, like, I had just dropped out of my first college.

Speaker 2 So to kill time, I was in a community college before I dropped out of my second college.

Speaker 2 And I took a playwriting class. And one of the best things that ever happened is that I wrote this whole thing.
And then the guy brought in people to speak the words aloud.

Speaker 2 And when I heard the words out loud i realized that i hadn't spoken them aloud before and i threw them all away i was like no yeah no human being should be allowed to write these words let alone say them out loud and i assumed that this is what other people would do when they hear that and instead this guy was like put it in yep yeah forever i want it forever on the word moment i i want my great-grandchildren to be able to see it yeah totally so then then we get dano showing off his new exercise machine to Joe Bob.

Speaker 2 This is the best. That's the whole scene.
It's

Speaker 2 just in real life being like, Joe Bob, check this out. I got a Bowflex.

Speaker 2 I think it's brilliant.

Speaker 2 He goes, you can do 20 different exercises on it. I'm like, you can do so many more than 20 exercises on that fucking thing.
What are you talking about? No, but Joe Bob can only be 20.

Speaker 2 He's got in his, this is in his bedroom. And his bedroom has, by the way, a four-poster bed with a canopy and then a bow flex next to it.
It's the whole scene is so very sad. And his guitar.

Speaker 2 And his guitar. And then he's like, I ordered a bench too for weights and free weights for the garage.
Dumbbells. He's got a weight bench coming for his garage.

Speaker 2 I got the widower starter kit is what it's called, actually.

Speaker 2 Right. But do you not hear the genuine Hope Silverstein in his voice?

Speaker 2 He believes that he's going to start better. It comes with a chamois cloth for it says tears and come.
I don't know what that means, but I'll figure it out. Here's the thing, right?

Speaker 2 When I was looking at that four-poster bed with the fucking, the little hangy bits, what's it called? The canopy? The canopy bed.

Speaker 2 I was looking at the canopy bed and I was genuinely struck by this horrific moment of humanity, right? Because he didn't order that bed. No.
His wife ordered that bed, right?

Speaker 2 And he was like, anything for my princess. And he wanted the Boflex instead.
yeah and now he's all alone in a canopy bed do you know how fast i would kill myself

Speaker 2 when do you think that man makes it all the way up the stairs to bed yes right

Speaker 2 how dare you imagine he can make it up those stairs he's not even gonna make he's not even gonna try because he knows he'll fall and kill him see he he keeps the fucking eye pillow right there by his Farty couch.

Speaker 2 Yeah. No, the shape of his body in the couch makes a suction.
There's no way he's getting out of it.

Speaker 3 The bed's a memorial.

Speaker 2 It is. It is.
But that's what's so human about it is that it is 100% a memorial. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So then we cut to the. Do you think she died in that bed?

Speaker 2 Maybe. I bet he found her there.
Okay. It was in the car.
Shut up.

Speaker 3 Before this scene ends,

Speaker 3 he's showing Joe Bob bob this workout equipment and then joe bob's like let's celebrate with the beer yeah and then yeah and then dino's like yes fuck yes

Speaker 3 and they're both out of breath from walking all the way over to the bow flex and back yes right and i think that that's such an important moment in this idea of self-improvement that is being shown in in the context of this this uh this episode they are not sincere and serious about whatever commitment to fighting God's battle there is.

Speaker 3 It just feels good to pretend like they are. Yes.
So it feels good to look at the Bowflex, but it also feels good to forget about it and go get it.

Speaker 2 Go have a beer. Yes.
God said we can start with a cheat day. It's cool to start with one.

Speaker 3 It's accidentally so revealing.

Speaker 2 Yeah. No, it's, it reminds me of like two boys

Speaker 2 coming up with the perfect snowfort.

Speaker 2 Yes. He has no intention of actually building parapets out of his garage.

Speaker 2 His company's just like that, too. We'll get there eventually.

Speaker 2 But first, we have to have this scene where the two daughters, they try to pull in, but he's put weights now in the garage where they normally park.

Speaker 2 So they have to come in and be way too angry about it, like a high school play. Right.
And he has to be monstrous about it, right?

Speaker 2 He's like, you'll park out front with the guests because this is my house. And in my house, you live by my rules.
And Joe Bob's like, that's right, man.

Speaker 2 There's one point where he turns to Joe Bob and he goes, well, tell me where you park. And he almost uses the actor's real name, and then he switches at the last second to Joe Bob.

Speaker 2 I like this scene because it was like a great, like, oh, there are no heroes in this show. Everybody truly has no idea how much they suck.

Speaker 2 He has, yeah, he thinks that that they're bad people for complaining about their parking spots for the wrong reason.

Speaker 2 Yes. They are, I agree.
But we think for very different reasons they are bad people for said thing. And again, he is at fault for almost all of it at the core.
Right, because it is a dick move.

Speaker 2 Like if you're, if your daughters normally park in the garage, I don't give a fuck that it's your garage and you pay the bills.

Speaker 2 It's a dick move to move a bunch of shit in there and not say, hey, I'm using the garage for something different now and let them find out as they pull in, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah, you want to surprise them with inconvenience.

Speaker 2 I don't give a shit. They have more than one parking spot.
Fuck you.

Speaker 2 Fuck you. How dare you waste Arizona on your three parking spots? Fuck Sniff.

Speaker 2 There's a national park that could be made where his house was. Burn it all down.
I also, I love that he goes, the daughter goes, this isn't over. And then she storms off, and it is over.

Speaker 2 We never hear about it again.

Speaker 2 Not only is it over, the show's canceled. It's literally over.
This is so over.

Speaker 3 No, but it's not over, though, because he's going to stop using that bench. It's going to be moved to the side, and she's going to get her parking space back in episode five.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 The show continues. Yep, the show continues.
Oh, man. What a dark thing it would be if the end of that scene was, Dad, you're going to quit and I'll get my parking spot back.

Speaker 3 Dad, you're going to die like mom.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 You'd already be gone if you'd added an enabler like you. Oh, my God.
Did you not see us? Oh my God, that'd be great.

Speaker 3 Did you not see us fantasizing about you being dead when you went to Walmart?

Speaker 3 Live in reality, Dad.

Speaker 2 You were standing behind the camera

Speaker 2 put in the show.

Speaker 2 We're dead.

Speaker 3 We're alive. Hug me.

Speaker 2 Hug me.

Speaker 2 I call you Big Daddy for a reason.

Speaker 2 Oh, so, and honestly, so I want to come back to the the hug thing in a minute okay because the next scene this this next scene is called the apprentice so do they yeah well no

Speaker 2 we'll get there hold on because like the we get this scene called the apprentice and this is where he's going to meet jeremiah the social media nephew guy i'm not racist part two yes right

Speaker 2 i can even hire a black man yeah uh-huh there's this great moment it's right at the top of the scene where he goes tell me about you and the guy goes well i graduated top of my class and he goes no

Speaker 2 tell me about you well so so i'm sorry it's impossibly stupid but you left out the amazing pause because like dan was supposed to interrupt him right and he almost the poor actor playing jeremiah almost has to say dot dot dot you know at the end of his fucking line ellipses what are your next thoughts now probably i don't know

Speaker 2 you're too drunk to deliver your drunk dialogue yeah there's so many moments where we see the faces of the actors being like are we fucking keeping that?

Speaker 2 Are we yeah, see, yeah, do you want to take another show? Shout out to me.

Speaker 2 You hired me for the day, dude. The day, the whole day.

Speaker 2 I mean, this isn't hourly. This is a daily rate.
So, like, whether we go, whether we rap now or not, I'm still getting paid the same rate. So, let's take another take.

Speaker 2 Let's just take another take for me. Still rolling for me.
Yeah, you're not drinking more or less depending on when we stop. So, you know, it's the same for you, too.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 But he explains to Jeremiah that, well, first Jeremiah explains that he was a lone wolf in college because he doesn't like feeling like a cog and a machine.

Speaker 2 And I guess based on the sincerity of his no step on snack, Dano hires him, right?

Speaker 3 But he already hired him on the phone. Yep.
He did.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 3 This is a double hire.

Speaker 2 Jeremiah goes, okay, you hired me to do what? And he goes, I don't know yet. What? Print it.
Cut. Print it.
Let's go. Put it in.

Speaker 3 God's going to tell me what to do.

Speaker 2 Faster.

Speaker 2 Here's what he says. And I can't tell you how many times I've had this conversation, right? Where someone's done almost exactly this, right?

Speaker 2 Go home and figure out how much money you want and also what you do and how it makes me money

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 how it works and when it works. Yes.
And then maybe I'll do it. Yeah, right, right.

Speaker 2 He says at this point, I want you to, this is a direct fucking quote, I want you to think about what to capitalize the company on.

Speaker 2 I'm like, are you just saying all the business words you know in a row now, man?

Speaker 2 Yep.

Speaker 3 It was nice of him to say, give yourself a good salary, though. Yeah, that was cool.

Speaker 2 Let's not forget this is the man who wrote down, Obama's finally going to pay for his propaganda, liberated,

Speaker 2 liberal policies,

Speaker 2 which made me ask the question, did you not understand the word illiterate? Is that maybe what you're doing, or was I being too generous in the first place? Yeah.

Speaker 2 And you were just throwing that word in there for fun. Yeah, right.
And then, and I want to talk about the end here.

Speaker 2 At the end, he's like, oh, and add $11,000 because that's how much you're going to pay my daughter.

Speaker 2 Or because my daughter's going to work for you, which either means he wants his daughter to make $11,000 a year. He wants her to fuck his boss.

Speaker 2 Nowhere near minimum wage in any state, including Arizona. Or he's paying him an extra $11,000

Speaker 2 to hire his daughter. Right.

Speaker 3 I thought it was a write-off.

Speaker 2 I thought that was the way that he was.

Speaker 3 I thought he was just trying to hide the money that he gave to his daughter.

Speaker 2 Oh, that might have been it. Yeah.
Well, because

Speaker 2 he says, because my daughter, Barbara, now, Barbara was the one that needed the $11,000 earlier, but she's critically not the one that lost her job, right?

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 3 her ex-husband, her layabout ex-husband, isn't working. We know that, but we don't know about her employment status.

Speaker 2 Yeah, right, right. But it's the other daughter that lost her job, and that he was supposed to be like, that was supposed to be working for the church or whatever.

Speaker 2 I think he forgot which daughter it was by this point. Sure.
He just likes the unit of one nice work truck in stuff. Oh, okay.
Yeah. No, I guess.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 When it's all truck-based, $11,000 is the base unit. Yeah.
So, and then then he goes, Jeremiah goes to leave, and Dano hugs him.

Speaker 2 Now, he has had no physical contact with his daughters whatsoever, but he hugs this guy that he just fucking hired for a job that doesn't exist yet.

Speaker 3 And it was

Speaker 2 palpable. Yes.
Yeah. It was an in-depth hug.

Speaker 3 I felt, again, unsafe, and I thought he was going to fall over.

Speaker 2 It is interesting that he has this whole like, tell me about you, and then he puts his words inside of a black man's mouth.

Speaker 2 Because it is also very similar to if you pulled a page from his diary where it's like, see, I'm not racist, these are the qualities that I accept black people to have and still like them.

Speaker 2 Yes, right, right.

Speaker 2 So then we open the next scene, I shit you not, with a barely audible, we're recording, followed by

Speaker 2 100% heard that

Speaker 2 by Dano reading the Bible out loud. I love that so fucking much.

Speaker 2 So, yeah. So, this scene is so stupid, too.
Like, he calls the nurse and he's like, hey, what's Granny doing? She says, oh, she's outside feeding the chickens.

Speaker 2 We cut outside to show Granny feeding chickens in case we don't believe them. And then he's like, all right, tell her to wear a hat.
End of scene. Yep.

Speaker 3 Well, see, I think that this scene is critical because

Speaker 2 I'm listening. It unlocks the whole theme.

Speaker 3 Well, he kind of does.

Speaker 3 In a way, it's accidentally revealing. Because when they come back inside, he's like, we're like the Beverly Hillbillies with these chickens or whatever.

Speaker 3 And this is so indicative of the inability for him to realize that he is not relatable to the Trump middle class.

Speaker 2 Oh, interesting. Yeah.

Speaker 3 You know, or whatever the energy of, you know, like the Trump.

Speaker 3 movement and stuff about working people, you know, and like the common man is rising up and demanding that we get our fair shake and stuff. He wants to feel like that, but he is not that.

Speaker 3 He lives in a mansion, right? Yeah.

Speaker 2 So, this is him trying to like humanize himself on that level for people.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he's trying to wear that disguise. That's interesting by having grandma feed chickens out back or whatever.

Speaker 3 He's trying to create that aesthetic relatability of middle America when he's nothing like it.

Speaker 3 He's a super rich dude who can just, at a whim, start a business and and drink all day on his stupid lazy boy.

Speaker 3 It's great.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And he's got chickens.
He's not paying for eggs. Yeah.
He's like, we're not, we're not carpet baggers.

Speaker 2 My grandfather moved here from New York City, stole a bunch of money and land from the people who currently live here. My father exploited his workers still further.

Speaker 2 And I never learned how to work an actual job. We're the salt of the earth.
Yes.

Speaker 3 And he thinks family values is telling the nurse to tell his mother-in-law to put on a hat.

Speaker 3 Like he is not connected in any way to what they're all pretending to be, but this scene is his performance of it.

Speaker 2 That's awesome. That's him performing it and knowing so little about it that he has no idea how one would even perform it.
Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah.
Yeah. So, okay.

Speaker 2 So then we get this next scene where we're going to meet his lawyer. He's got a, he's brought his lawyer in to tell her that he needs to start a company, but he doesn't know what it's going to do yet.

Speaker 2 So write up the paperwork. So I love this scene because it's him accidentally telling us that he has a series of people in his life who take financial advantage of him being an idiot, right?

Speaker 2 Because this is something he must do on a regular basis, right? He calls his lawyer and his lawyer charges him $700 an hour. And he's like, I want

Speaker 2 to be all the laws legal. And she goes, uh-huh.
Okay, great. Do you want me to draft up some paperwork? I don't know any of the words yet.
That's fine.

Speaker 2 I'll write it out and I'll charge you $700 an hour for it. And I'll charge you like three hours.
And he's like, Oh boy, ain't free being

Speaker 2 free.

Speaker 2 You're right though. The other night, Joe Bob said that maybe we're not having an internal experience.
Nope, you don't pay me to tell you if you're having an internet. Oh, okay.

Speaker 3 No, you're wrong. Because this moment, Dad, interesting.
This moment with the lawyer is as close to a deeply human moment as there gets.

Speaker 2 From a lawyer, it is the most human moment that I've ever seen. Hey, definitely.
Hey, everybody. How about we doing this? Everybody wants to be.
Anybody drinking tonight? Anybody drinking? Is it hot?

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 2 Sorry, Dan. I needed to do that.

Speaker 3 After they have their conversation about the business or whatever, she mentions her husband and is like, we're worried about you.

Speaker 3 There is a realness to that moment of like, he's drunkenly talking about starting a business of like,

Speaker 3 we don't know what it does.

Speaker 2 He says, and I quote, I think it's going to be a company. Right.
She's like, we're worried about you.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 2 You need help.

Speaker 2 I agree. Actually, you know what? I'm going to, I'm going to go, you're both wrong because I agree with both of you simultaneously.

Speaker 2 I think that genuinely at the beginning of these relationships, the people are like, hey, you don't need to do this. This is a bad idea.
Just like, right, stop drinking, man. I care about you.

Speaker 2 And then after like phone call eight, they're like, sure, man, whatever. I'll just start a bunch of hours.
Yes, yes. Yeah, fine.
Absolutely. Like these people are not taking advantage of him.

Speaker 2 out of out of like a sincere evil. They're like, well, it's easier than fucking trying to fight him.

Speaker 2 I would say it's unethical not to steal a bunch of this guy's money. I am.
He'll spend it on something he chose. Really?

Speaker 2 Heath, can I ask you for a moment of radical vulnerability here on our little podcast program? Is this how you feel about me?

Speaker 2 Can I ask you for a moment of radical vulnerability?

Speaker 2 Do you want me to answer? No. Okay.
Let's move on to the next scene. So then we get a title scene that comes up and it says, Power Rock.
No, this is not going to be him overdosing on crack cocaine.

Speaker 2 I was hopeful.

Speaker 2 But no, what we're going to see here is he's going to work out on his Bowflex for a second, and then he's going to pick up his, his broom and start playing guitar with like air guitar with it because he thinks that's really fucking funny.

Speaker 2 Tour de force. I like that he needed a prop because just air guitar by itself would be kind of confusing.
So he keeps his broom there.

Speaker 2 I like that there's a guitar in this scene as well, just sitting in the background as well. I like that he needed to compulsively lie at the end of the scene, right?

Speaker 2 So he does the air guitar and the daughters walk in and he's like, well, you never seen someone play air guitar before? And as they're leaving, he very clearly improvises, I produced that song.

Speaker 2 But he did. Yeah, he totally did.
He absolutely produced that song, Eli. Amazing.

Speaker 3 That's the resurrected rock star.

Speaker 2 Yep. Zach Masters.

Speaker 2 I found that scene to be one of the most intimate. Like, I felt, I felt, I felt like it was shot with a closed set, like a steady cam.
There wasn't a director.

Speaker 2 Like it was like, hey, we're going to keep as few people out here as possible.

Speaker 2 You can be as vulnerable as you like in this very personal. It was, it was like, I wanted to help him when I watched as much of that scene as I could.
Yeah, it's this and the Danish girl.

Speaker 2 It felt like he's going to slide in with no pants, like risky business. It felt like one of those moments for sure.
No, it felt like he was going to fall and die. Also, that was a little bit more.

Speaker 2 Well, yeah, right, right. So then, okay, we get our penultimate scene title of the episode, Night Talk.
This is going to be another wrap.

Speaker 2 I guess this is like the formula he envisioned for this show, that each episode would end with him talking to his dead wife about what he learned here today.

Speaker 2 Right. He says to the wife, he goes, Trump's doing a great job.
And I wrote, at what?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I wrote, there is no point in history where that would be an honest thing to say.

Speaker 2 He says, kids are good. Your mom will die eventually.
Yep.

Speaker 2 But I'll be around until she's dead. Also, another dog died.
Yeah. Doesn't he announce that here? He's like, I got it.

Speaker 3 No, that was the third dog.

Speaker 3 That was Dieter. Dieter?

Speaker 3 Yeah. Yeah, not Trump.
Yeah. Yeah, Trump's still alive.
Okay.

Speaker 2 Do you think he knows you have to feed dogs? I have a theory that he doesn't know you need to feed dogs. Only chickens eat.

Speaker 2 Also, the wife disappears in this one. I feel relief for the dog, bro.
I'm like, oh, absolutely. What do you was talking about?

Speaker 2 oh i got this one from the shelter i'm like probably better off at the shelter but then in this scene the the wife disappears the ghost wife disappears again but then she reappears at the end yeah she comes back in oh sorry i realized you're not done i was sort of hoping by disappearing

Speaker 2 you might be only paid for five minutes yes

Speaker 2 had to go to the bathroom she dipped out for a ghost pee so and then we get a quick shot of him saying his prayers at the end end, right? One more time. I guess, again, this is part of the formula.

Speaker 3 Well, with the dead wife, just to touch on that really quick, there's something else that's going on there too, which is that he, for the first time in any of these episodes, doesn't have a drink with him.

Speaker 2 Oh, really?

Speaker 3 Yeah. And he says, I'm dedicating these 12 steps to you or whatever, which implies that he's going to get sober in honor of his ghost dead wife.
And that led me to be really fucked up. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Because like I mentioned earlier, the the guy who did this, Brian McLean, did another show about the 12 steps. So he has some like addiction and recovery kind of experience.

Speaker 3 And that made me wonder if he was performing drunk for the earlier parts of the show. And if so, he's amazing.

Speaker 2 That's true. Well, so what I thought, because he doesn't say I'm going to dedicate these 12 steps.

Speaker 2 He says, I'm going to dedicate 12 steps to you, which I thought was him referring to the other TV show that he produced, right? That he was was going to dedicate that TV show to her.

Speaker 3 Oh, no, that's interesting.

Speaker 2 I had not considered that. Who knows how meta he's trying to be here?

Speaker 2 But okay, but then we get him saying his prayers one last time, which I honestly, I only include this because of the contents of his goddamn bedside table. We can't not talk about those.

Speaker 2 The enormous... three remote controls that operate three different large pieces of equipment, apparently.
Yes, and there's a little one too. There's a little one for like a ceiling fan.

Speaker 2 There were four total remote controls on his phone.

Speaker 2 And a big power aid to stay, you know, hydrated while you're

Speaker 2 sleeping in your canopy bed. I'm confused.
What don't you understand about he's a man of the people?

Speaker 2 During his prayer, he goes, Lord, I swear this is his actual line. He says, Lord, guide the Rush Limbaughs, guide the Sean Hannityans.

Speaker 3 Not the Alex Joneses, though.

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 there is something,

Speaker 2 again, like

Speaker 2 time capsule necessary for that because almost all of the things that he believes are directly pulled from those idiots.

Speaker 2 All the things that he says that he believes are directly pulled from those idiots. All of his actions are in absolute opposition to any concept of like trying to help.
Yes.

Speaker 2 But because he's been so warped in the mind by these people, this is where we are. Like, I feel like

Speaker 2 there is an actual literal hand pulled from the radio, pushed into his brain, massaging it and making him say bullshit. You know? Yeah.
He's insane.

Speaker 2 How do you think he felt when God killed Rush Limbaugh, like moments after this came out? Oh, yeah. Do you think he was confused by what happened or do you think it was like a mysterious ways thing?

Speaker 2 I think

Speaker 2 I guess that means I need to start running too.

Speaker 2 Did I do that? Yeah, right, right.

Speaker 2 All right, I'll do Pilates.

Speaker 2 The very last thing in this is he said he prays even for all the atheists who work against Trump. And I'm like, hey, that's us, guys.
He prayed for us at the end. It's nice.

Speaker 2 And then instead of the show ending, we get like a minute and a half or two minutes of the grandma character just.

Speaker 2 ranting into the camera about what a bitch Hillary is. She's great.
It's kids say the darndest things, but with dementia.

Speaker 2 It totally is.

Speaker 2 Because she never completes a thought, right? You get the first half of one thought and the last half of another, like eight times in a row, and then it's over.

Speaker 2 If I may quote, she's actually, and I think this too, they're going to ask for votes and then she's going to pop up.

Speaker 2 But like, here's the thing that I couldn't stop thinking about. And I think this is a nice somber note for us to really, you know, think about this whole thing in the lens of, right?

Speaker 2 Grandma comes from a a generation, like grandma wore like a nice sweater and a little poodle skirt for her high school yearbook.

Speaker 2 Do you think if we could travel through time and be like, hey, if you live to be 80, your son-in-law will show you looking like this and saying this. Do you think she would have done it right there?

Speaker 2 I think she would have. I think she would have gone right down to the drive-in and pushed herself over one of those cliffs they had at Make Out Point.
What do you guys think?

Speaker 2 I would.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 I'm sorry. I'm confused.
Are you saying that if we went back in time to the 1930s and told a white woman that she was going to be racist someday, she would be unhappy?

Speaker 2 For me, it's not the racism, it's the hair.

Speaker 2 That's fair. That's fair.

Speaker 3 It's the sadly voyeuristic glimpse into just a deeply pathetic and disastrous existence.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
Again, a white woman in the 1930s would be like, yeah, this is is a disastrous existence. My bad.
Like, oh, yeah, you guys are making fun.

Speaker 2 I think this scene was very important, actually, when you think about it. So, oh, really? Yeah.
What we're learning here is like, big swings.

Speaker 2 This is the movie. This is Brian McClain accidentally admitting, like, hey, this is the generation that was our parents.
We're doing the best we can. And that's what we're looking at right here.

Speaker 2 Oh, interesting. All right.

Speaker 3 so the

Speaker 3 shot of grandma is basically being like, what did you expect to happen?

Speaker 2 Yeah, right.

Speaker 2 Exactly. That's the best you could have hoped for.
That's interesting. Jack Nicholson emerges from her mouth and goes, what if this is as good as it gets?

Speaker 2 All right. Well, I think that's a great note to end episode two on, and thus our commitment to doing this ever again.

Speaker 2 So, Dan, Jordan, thanks so much for coming back, even knowing kind of what you were getting into this time.

Speaker 3 Hey, it was great.

Speaker 3 This was awesome. I feel like a lot has been brought to my life accidentally.

Speaker 2 I swear to you, I swear to you. And I don't even need to ask Dan, later on when you're not around, we're going to talk about the show again.

Speaker 2 It will happen. It will 100% happen.
All right. And if you would, can you remind our listeners where to find more from you guys?

Speaker 3 Yeah. We have knowledgefight.com is our website, and we're on various podcast applications.

Speaker 2 Awesome. And you will also be, of course, on the show notes for this episode.

Speaker 2 And while that's going to do it for our review of Trump by Grace, that's not going to do it for the episode just yet because we still need to lure you back. So Eli, tell us what's on deck.

Speaker 2 A reluctant leader heads up a team of seven Christians intent on smuggling Bibles to underground churches in a future America where the Bible is illegal and dangerous around every corner.

Speaker 2 We'll be watching Disciples in the Moonlight. What a stupid thing.
That sounds fantastic.

Speaker 2 All right. So with that to look forward to, we're bringing episode 488 to a merciful close.
Once again, a huge thanks to Dan and Jordan.

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Speaker 2 Our theme song was written and performed by Ryan Slatmak with Vivaldi Drafts on Mars. All the other music was written and performed by our audio engineer, Morgan Clark, and was used with permission.

Speaker 2 Thanks again for giving us a chunk of your life this week for Heath Enright, Neli Bosnick. I'm going to Lucius's promise to work hard to earn another chunk next week.

Speaker 2 Until then, we'll leave you with a breakfast club close.

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