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This is Amy Poehler.

Welcome to another episode of Good Hang.

I'm very, very excited to

introduce my next guest, the great Catherine Hahn.

What can I say about Catherine?

She's a legend.

She's so talented, funny, smart.

She can do it all.

And

people love working with her.

And I loved working with her.

And today we talked about

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So check it out.

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Talking about Catherine Hahn and hanging in the studio.

Oh, only Patty Lapone.

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Patty, are you there?

Have you joined us?

She's not.

She's not there.

She's still not there.

Okay, just so just to give you guys an update, Patty just checked in and said, got it.

I'll have to be on my phone, okay?

Putting on slap now.

I don't know what that means.

I'm going to say, okay.

Ha ha ha.

Okay.

Thanks so much.

Okay, this is fun.

So I don't know what putting on slap means.

It either means she's slapping on makeup or that's some kind of Broadway term.

There you are.

Wait, is that a term putting slap on?

Yeah, slap is an expression from for makeup.

Yeah, putting slap on.

I love you, Patty.

I love you too, darling.

Let me just put a little more slap on.

So what are you doing these days?

Singing.

Are you?

Yeah.

Are you, do you have a show tonight?

No, I have a show on Monday, but what I have tonight is an opera.

You're attending it or you're singing it?

I am.

No, I'm attending it.

My friend is taking me.

Let me just get the eyeshadow on, darling.

Who can talk when you're, you know, putting eyeshadow on?

But I'll try.

My friend that wrote it is here because it just premiered.

And we're going to the senior citizen special.

He's calling it dinner at 5:30.

The opera starts at 7 and it's three hours long and so we're going to go and have dinner at the met

and which is very exciting it's very you know you feel like you're in i don't know another dimension when you go into the metropolitan opera house but it's pretty incredible just to watch the people that show up and how they're dressed and how they act darling i'm ready for you oh you look fantastic

I look hideous, but thank you.

But let's talk about Catherine.

Okay, let's talk about Catherine.

So today's episode, we're talking to Catherine.

We're doing this fun thing where we're kind of talking behind people's backs before they come in, just to kind of hear more perspective about them and what

you think I should ask her or, you know, what you'd be interested in hearing her talk about.

And tell me how, like you, how you met and

your relationship with her.

Well, we met on Agatha

at the Table Reads, basically.

Catherine, because she was the leading lady, was incredibly generous and incredibly open and incredibly inclusive and embraced, I think, the responsibility of a leading lady.

And that's, you know, that comes without fear, basically.

And she was fearless and generous.

One of my favorite things about her is she snorts when she laughs.

So you know she's having a good time.

She's a big laugher.

She's a big laugher.

But when you get the snort,

something was really funny.

And that's, you know, one of her best qualities.

Her snort.

She is a real mix of

a very poised and serious dramatic actor.

and deeply goofy.

Yeah, very,

very funny.

And doesn't take it seriously, which is great.

You know what I mean?

I'm going to ask her about this, but I want to ask you too.

I mean, the response has been huge for Agatha.

It's everywhere.

It's viral TikToks.

It's people waiting for you at the airport.

Like the way you get this giant,

huge new group of people who know you and know your work.

What has that been like?

I don't have the kind of response that Catherine has gotten.

I mean,

I know that it's so, it's so weird because because I do so many different things, people, some people know that I sing and do Broadway musicals, and some people know me from Stevens Universe, and some people know me from Life Goes On, and some people know me from Agatha, for Agatha.

And the ones I've been getting more, more fan mail about Agatha, and

which is great because

who would think that I would end up in the Marvel Universe,

knowing nothing about it, and choose to remain that way knowing nothing about it any ideas of what i could ask catherine today like any questions

asked her if she's ever thought about directing

and would she cast me

i'm just curious to know whether she would want to direct and of course i i need to get hired

and i think she you know she would be a riot behind the camera i think you know they'd have to take take after take if it was funny and she snorted i think she'd be a great director i think she would be a great director.

Agree.

All right.

Love you, Patty.

Thank you so much.

My pleasure.

Talk to you soon.

Bye.

Okay.

Bye.

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Everyone, this is Catherine.

Hi, everyone.

Thank you for having me.

Catherine, I love you so much.

Thank you for being on Good Hang.

I'm so happy to be here.

I love you.

You know, I've only done a few episodes so far.

This is very new.

And I got a note recently from the great Bill Simmons, who is kind of like,

I guess, my boss.

But

he is

so good at podcasting and has created an empire and

has allowed me to come do it.

And he said, lose the ringer.

And he said, lose the laptop.

Why?

Oh, just so it's like more conversational?

I guess.

Why do you feel?

I just, before I do, I just want to audition it one more time.

How do you feel about it?

Listen, I think that that's fine for him if he doesn't need one.

But if you need one, screw it.

This is your podcast.

Well, I want to say to you and Bill, that I like to look things up on here.

It does take me a long time.

No, you're fact-checking as it's going on.

I think that's good.

Well, I kind of was joking that I had it to just make it seem like I was fact-checking, but I'm have you ever used it?

Yeah.

Okay, okay, okay.

If it's just there for evidence, maybe you could tell.

What if I was just watching?

While I'm talking to you, I just have to catch up on the pit.

Wait, is that

the medical procedural?

Okay, great.

With a guy who's already been on a medical procedural.

Okay, great.

It's supposed to be great.

It's so good.

Okay, I got to get into it.

I want to talk about

it.

Dr.

Carter, aka Noah Wiley, is now in a new show, which is nothing like ER, but I'm a huge ER fan.

But the pit is so good.

So because Bill told me to get rid of the laptop, I'm going to put it in half mask.

Good.

And then if I need it,

I do feel like I want to watch something with you today.

Yes, keep it there.

Okay.

Yeah.

Half mast.

Okay.

Don't close it.

But Bill, I hear you.

And I appreciate the, because look at that.

I love Bill Simmons.

Love.

And I have to say, I'm still trying to figure out the process of this.

So I so appreciate you coming in mid-process.

I am so happy.

I love mid-process.

You do.

I do.

I do, because it's still figuring itself out.

So I like it.

I don't like, it's better.

It's more interesting than a well-oiled machine.

Ooh.

Yeah.

Tell me more about that because you're so, you do.

I love that about you is you love the, the, the messy middle of stuff.

I do because it's like a, there is like a little on your toes

feeling of, of, of growth that's happening while you're in it.

And that always feels like super chargy to me.

If it's like, I don't know, it's more like sometimes it's good and like, you know, that you're going to hit this, this, and this, but I, I love conversations.

And I think, and I know you do too, that are like a little not so prescribed at the beginning.

You're so good at them.

You're really, really good at

hanging in.

Yeah.

It's what makes you such a good person and friend, but, and also such a good actor is you, you can like tolerate the in-between, which few, I don't know if I can, I'm learning.

I'm learning.

Yes.

It is uncomfortable sometimes sometimes, depending on what it really is, but just to sit in it and let it like, I'm not talking about podcast, but like life or like schmackting, yeah, it's definitely like that in that kind of like uncomfortableness, I think, is

um, like the time that you're gonna be surprised.

Did you know that?

Let me see if you can guess how many times, how many episodes of parks you did?

Do you, do you, would you know to guess?

I would say

between seven and 13,

yeah, 10, 10,

okay, between seven and 13.

That That's my, it's kind of right between.

That's my amazing.

But it was such a huge impact on my life.

Like, it's still the thing I get most recognized for.

Really?

Yes.

And I just remember, well, first of all, you were the most incredible number one on a call sheet because you had dance parties at lunch every day.

And anybody that walked on that like set just...

was filled with such confidence and such joy, which is, I had the greatest time on that show.

I have such,

I don't have the greatest time.

That's where we kind of fell in love.

But that is, that's really Catherine, where we, I think, actually met.

Met.

My first kind of like real memory is in the trailer of Parks and Rec.

And

we used to, Catherine is talking about dance parties.

And we used to do a thing where just like after lunch, we would play three songs.

Best.

The great autumn butler, our makeup artist, had great taste in music, and we would just kind of dance around for two or three songs.

Yeah, the best.

I think for me, a way to honestly just keep my energy up.

Yeah.

But it became a way to meet people in the trailer.

And I remember two things I love about you right away: how much you love to laugh.

People that know you know that.

Like you

love to laugh.

If someone's gonna break the scene, it's this professional over here.

You know, I don't.

Do you think you break?

I have to be really serious in my mind.

Like if I have, because if it starts to happen, it is tears.

Yeah.

And mucus.

But you, I I have seen you in bloopers and you're hanging in.

Yeah, I do hang in.

You hang in.

I do.

Yeah.

You, in fact, go in harder, I think, when people are.

I have to.

I know it's a survival technique.

I just have to dig in a little bit.

I do.

I go harder.

I feel like every time I've done a scene with you, you are so good at improvising.

In fact, like a lot of your character on Parks and Rec, Jen Barkley's moments were improvised.

Were they really?

Well, one of the favorites, one of one of TikTok and memes and gifts

is poncho.

Yeah, poncho was.

So let's talk about what happened.

For people that have never seen that, what is it?

What tell us what that scene was?

Well, I went to Ben and Leslie's house.

I'm speaking as Jen Barkley, my character.

I'm the first person.

Well, for people that aren't watching, she just transformed her.

I just transferred her.

Her eyes turned dark, and she's a completely different person.

A lot more hairspray.

I went to their house.

They have children.

I am not into children at all.

I wore a plastic poncho so that I wouldn't get any sticky fingers or crap all over me.

And at some point, the kids rush by with paint, nail me with the paint, and at some take, just to make you guys laugh, I don't even did not have any idea it was going to be anything.

I just swung my arms open.

I went, poncho, poncho.

And then it really has to be.

It's like Batman's cape.

I mean, oh, that was the best.

Like, I just wanting to make you guys laugh and just having so the energy was so loose.

So, I like, it's funny you say that improvising.

Again, I can do it if I know who I am and like the given circumstances and like that.

I feel like

I feel really free in that department, but just.

Well, you know how like we, we were on set a lot and I would watch you work and I would say the same thing about Adam.

And I wonder too, if it's because of your, both of your training, but I would watch the way you two worked

And

you would have a moment where we you'd stay really, really loose.

And, but just right before the scene, and I can think of a couple scenes, the great scene where Jen Barkley is telling Leslie, no, basically, you know, you have to start.

Oh, you have to start thinking bigger, which is a huge moment in the show.

I love the writing and that

scene.

Mike Scherr and the writer's like, I just love how they slowly took care of Leslie and they sent people in to give her these messages.

And Jen Barkley is just this like Gen X

ball buster

who

kind of sees something that Leslie doesn't.

Anyway, in that moment, when you're giving that speech, I remember very clearly right before the scene, you just took a moment.

And I think we joked about it later because I

was like, it was like watching,

it was watching a real actor.

Oh, my God.

Just staying one more second on parks, because I do think that

it was such a formative time in my life, obviously, for many reasons.

And one of them was meeting you.

What I always use that us as an example of is that you never know who you have yet to meet.

I think, you know, when you're in your 40s, there's this feeling that you've pretty much, you have your old friends, your high school friends, you you have maybe a partner and their friends, you have your kid mom friends.

College, yeah, college.

Yeah, you have like this, all these different groups of friends.

And you think, I think I've met everybody that's going to be my close friends.

I have, I, I know, because sometimes those friends become just family.

You know what I mean?

As everybody grows and changes and like people, there's, they're, and so in my life, always, always, always, but we are very different people.

I don't know what, you know, and you're right.

There are people like, I think even I've been in a lot, a lot of projects where you get like intimate really fast and everybody says goodbye.

But then there are certain people where you, I didn't anticipate this.

Like I did, that was the, the, one of the pleasures for me too is like, I did not anticipate that you would want to continue to be my friend

after we did it.

And then the fact that it's gotten like deeper and deeper.

I'm like, no, I don't know how to do it.

I mean, like, I am so grateful for you in my life.

We've like

been in the trenches.

We've been in the trenches.

Yeah.

We have.

We have like, we've been through a lot of tough times together.

We've been very honest with each other.

Yeah.

We've like, I think we've really

like taken great pains to see each other.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like we're make it a priority.

And I mean, I know how I feel about

how important that is for me, but what, but

how are female friendships important to you?

What do they do for you?

I I think that the real female friends that I have, the deep ones are fewer than I thought I would have.

Like the ones that are really, you know, have your back through anything.

And there's a difference.

Like these, it's so important to have

women in your life that aren't family to grow old with.

in a way that it's like you said, feels very honest, but, and also hilarious, but also doesn't feel like we have to keep up any anything together like keep up any sort of like

front it just feels like and also very affirming like to walk into these next chapters together just feels like it's not as terrifying yes

the witch's road the witch's road

the coven

coven on coven yes yes that's why i mean i that is why when i watched that show when i watched agatha all along

that it was so moving.

You just get, basically, you must hold hands with someone to go into the next step.

And let's be honest, our female friendships and relationships are going to, you know, with the exception of maybe our sibling relationships will probably last the longest.

I know, they will.

And I think with my dear, dearest women friends, of which there are very few, that.

That is such a source of comfort, just to be heard by another woman.

Yes.

Without judgment, without like anything, but just

love.

I know.

I feel you.

Speaking of other women,

so we do this thing where we ask people before we have a guest to chat about the guests.

So I kind of like wanted to.

And we got Patty Lapone.

No, you did.

Yes.

Oh, my God.

I was so excited.

The wolf.

Patty.

The wolf.

The wolf.

Lapone.

Of course.

The wolf.

Of course.

Oh, my God.

This is going to be the best.

Well, first of all.

What if it was like, ah, ah?

Well, she can't sing, but.

Yeah, not talented.

No,

she's so great.

Isn't she?

I know.

Talk about

a new friend that I want to.

I mean, I feel like I have to stop telling her our, I have to stop asking her if we're friends.

I just have to start believing that we are.

But anyway, oh, doll.

Call everyone doll.

You're right.

To have someone that is like in a different stage of our lives that you can, that's so real.

Very,

very important.

I don't know about you, but I get very comfortable around

older women who are very bossy.

Yeah.

Because I get very relaxed.

Yeah.

We're in good hands.

We're in good hands.

And the few times that I've hung out with Patty, she's like, we're going for a walk.

And she tells me what to buy.

And it's just,

okay.

So tell me about how you was was Agatha the first time you met her?

Oh, yeah.

Okay.

And I remember when they said it was Patty LaPonda, I was like, no.

And then we, I met her at the first table read and she just came in with so many questions,

which of course, like, she knew knew nothing about Marvel.

I barely know anything about Marvel.

So she was like, okay.

And it was just all of these very detailed questions, but then she just forgot.

And it didn't matter.

Like she was, she'll stay, she'll still be like, I don't know anything about Marvel.

She did.

She told us that.

She did.

She said, well, I don't know anything about, which I love.

I mean,

and also.

And she said, you guys met at the table, Reed.

Yeah.

And Agatha was a really big circus to me.

Oh, yes.

And you had to do a lot of big stuff on there.

A lot of swinging.

Oh, my gosh.

So much, you know,

if one is to be

acting is a little embarrassing.

Oh, right.

You had to do so much stuff.

Birthing scenes and crazy stuff.

Holding hands and singing.

Yes, so much

incredible stuff.

Yes.

But like walking in the razor's edge, because we knew if it went one way or the other, it could be like, oh, wow.

And America voted and it worked.

America voted.

If TikTok,

TikTok is my government.

Okay.

I know.

And I got to get on TikTok.

It's, it's, I think it's wrapping up.

Oh, I know.

That's my perfect timing, as usual.

Still my AOL.

It's like me in podcasts.

I'm like, let me get in there.

And everyone's like, now?

And I'm like, yep, right before the door closes.

But just for a second, what was it like to be on such a big show, making, having to make really big choices with all these incredibly big personalities and people?

It was just, it must have been something.

We were all, there was no trailers to go back to, really, because we were kind of far away always.

So we would set up like a little coven of our chairs in a circle.

So we're like, all of our crew chairs would be in a circle.

And you could just hear us cackling like the whole, like, I mean, we just laughed.

And Patty had a boom box.

And she would get up and like dance or start singing.

And we would all be like,

like, it's coming out of her mouth right now.

So Patty wanted me to ask you two questions.

Oh, first, she said she loves your snort.

And we already got it.

We already got it once.

I thought, like, oh, it's not as cute anymore, but it still comes out.

I mean, you're talking to a person that laughs like a.

I've been described as a raven when a raven,

when someone runs over a raven's foot.

That's how somebody described my laugh one time.

So, I mean, I don't know what you're talking about.

It's the greatest laugh, but ever.

It's just, I have a very witchy laugh, too.

You have a very witchy laugh.

And a very, you do.

And it's a cackle and a very devious laugh sometimes.

It is.

It is.

It's a little cat that hit the mouth.

I just love it so much because it's like a little devious.

And then huge cackles.

And you have a great laugh too.

Like you laugh with your whole body.

I do.

You like that.

I do.

There she goes.

But I really do.

I do.

I love a good laugh.

God, me too.

Have you always been that way?

Was that, where did, where, like, have you always been that kind of person that loved a good laugh?

In high school, it started for sure.

And then I was like, you know, I went to an all-girls Catholic school.

So we had like a, I mean, that group was constantly making fun of the nuns.

And so I was just like crying all the time.

Just crying all the time.

Just like,

just floating maxi pads in the like the same, in like Mary's pond.

Like there's like a statue of Mary.

We just like, and the nuns would be like, okay, so there are maxi pads floating in them.

It was like always shit like that just like fun church giggle stuff stupid like you'd open up a locker and there'd be like a huge dick that you would

pop out on a spring like we were

just my theory that catholic school girls were a

so bad they were so bad well because Everything was, you know, uniforms and there was like church every week.

And it all felt like, I don't know if I believe in any of this.

Yeah.

And then B, they were just like really ready to go, really.

Yeah, ready to go.

Oh, I was like, let's let's go let's go and there were I was like any takers any takers and there was not takers

so horny and I was like okay

I was like is it my overplucked eyebrows

what's happening is it my Catholic school uniform that my mom thought I was gonna gain maybe or like seven dress sizes but then I was literally like kids would go down and see my skirt and just pull it off me

like in school so we had to wear boxers.

Oh, yeah.

Boxers were a big deal.

Wait, it was just an all-girls school?

Yeah.

And they were pantsing you.

Pantsing me.

Skirting you.

And skirting you.

I did go to co-ed Catholic Elementary school, and we would have something called Friday Flip Up Day.

So we knew to wear boxers because on Friday, all the guys ran around and flipped up your skirt.

Oh, my God.

Yes.

And Thursday, throw-up day.

Wednesday, wedding day.

I don't know what Tuesday or Monday was.

And they would just flip up your skirt.

And back then, we were like,

the price of being a girl.

That is, we were like, oh, we better get prepared.

We were like, maybe someone will flip up my skirt today.

So fucked up.

So fucked up.

So fucked up.

And the teachers were like, if you guys are doing the flip up, keep it outside.

I don't want to know about it.

And then I remember some guy, some kid, I was in sixth grade called me gorilla legs because

I hadn't shaved my legs yet.

And I was like horrified by that.

So I went home and I tried to shave and it was like a cheese grater.

It was like, I could see a curl of my skin before it started bleeding.

And I was like, what?

Oh, I still have scars.

Oh, no.

I didn't know how to do it.

I went rogue with my dad's shaver in the tub.

Oh, no.

So that stupid boy.

It was that stupid boy.

You know, I had a stupid boy tell me one time that I look like a frog, that my face looked like a frog.

And I just, I still think about it.

I mean, I still remember it.

And I just remember being like, oh, well, I guess.

Yeah, but you just get that thing where you're like, well, I guess I'll live the life of a frog then.

Like, you just immediately are like, well, if one boy thinks it,

then it shall be so.

Then it shall be so.

Yeah.

I guess I'll be, they'll just flip up my skirt and wear my boxers and shave my legs in the bathtub and wear, have a face like a frog.

I mean, it's horrible.

It's horrible.

The shit I got for my nose my whole life.

Really?

For the size of your nose?

Yes.

And that I had such a

like thing about it that I was like, when I'm 18, I'm getting getting a nose job and now I'm so glad that I did it no yeah and now I love my nose I just think people should know that you have never gotten any plastic surgery not that there's anything wrong with that but I just but I think also we I feel that way with you like

treacherous time this is a treacherous moment where you're like have to leave behind all that currency that I really didn't I wasn't listen I wasn't like

that wasn't my that wasn't my my currency in this business was never like same which I think is helpful going forward because it's not, but

yeah, I'm like, but now you're, now you've gotten into mother phase, you're mother Han.

Now I'm motherhan because honestly, this is my Instagram thing that I haven't used in the first five.

I kind of petered out on the dumbest one.

I just haven't done it again.

I put it on my computer.

And yeah, I haven't posted it.

Literally, it's the dumbest last one.

I don't even know what it is, but it was just petered out.

And we tried, my daughter tried to find a name for me and or like whatever handle

is that what it's called yeah

and we couldn't find anything with my name and then we saw mother han lowercase and i was like oh that's funny and she was like you know the other connotations though and i was like yeah fine i'll be cute but then it has really a very it does have a very specific um

the following, which I love.

Well, that's what I'm saying is there's this amazing moment that's happening for you in general where, you know, people that have loved your work now for 20 years are seeing you get this kind of next level of

recognition and, you know, all that comes with like the Marvel machine.

Yes.

And there is this also celebration at the same time, led primarily by gay men, but not just gay men.

And young gay women.

Young gay women who love the lesbian kiss that you had on Agatha with our beautiful Aubrey Plaza.

Yes.

Like that are

deciding to just

be like, mother.

And no.

That feels like you're being anointed.

Which I'm like, it's Anne Bancroft and the graduate.

Like, that's what it feels like.

There's like a cougary vibe.

Yes.

Instead.

But I also think that there's kind of like a,

because I don't, I mean, that's not who I am.

But I guess it also means like,

I don't know.

What does, what do you think it means?

Like teaching.

I think it's like a way.

Yes.

It's like a way to compliment someone's

wisdom and fortitude without making them, while still making them feel sexy.

Yeah.

There's something that feels sexy about it because it's very dom.

It's very like, she will crush you.

Like it's a little bit like mother,

right?

Maybe you should have done Instagram should have been, whoops, you should have tried to spell that out.

But, but also, there's a reverence to it, like a respect.

There's like a, there's like a loving respect.

I, I, again, someone else could probably break down the etymology and what it really means.

And we all know where it comes back, goes back to like the houses and you know, like all the queer culture back

who are creating their own community and family.

I love it.

I know.

It moves me so much.

Me too.

And it's cool.

And it's, it's just, there's some, something that's happening right now, I'm noticing in real time where women our age in our 50s in our business used to kind of just be

on the way out.

For the most part, there were a few, but a lot of them were not really regarded by young people as being vital

producers of things.

Yeah, that is changing.

It is changing.

I never liked MILF.

I hated MILF.

Me too.

Why do we hate it?

Well, because it's a porn term probably

by a lot of young men that have a fetish for fucking older women.

Yeah, I never liked it.

Mothers.

Yeah.

And also, I didn't like it because it was like, oh, you'll still fuck them.

Yes.

Let me check.

Yeah.

they don't want to fuck you

i just checked gut check gut check butt check and gut check butt check it's not happening for you it's like oh great i know it was like well i had a couple milfs and it's like oh god maybe we don't like it too because it sounds like milk yeah maybe maybe because yeah but it just feels like it's from the dude's point of view in like a gross porny way yeah mother feels a little bit more uh yeah respect it and it feels more

gay adjacent, queer adjacent.

So it feels a little

bit.

I love it so much.

I love the very young queer women that are

felt really

like loved Agatha all along.

Like that was such a huge part of our audience that was very, very moving.

I mean, you were the first gay Marvel kiss, right?

I or queer Marvel kiss.

I don't know.

I think

a piece of paper.

Let me see.

Yep.

It's not on the, yeah.

Oh, yes.

Yeah.

The first Marvel lesbian kiss, according to this paper

that just flew in.

Hold on.

What if it's just floated down?

It's from the sky.

It's coming from the sky.

Here we go.

But yeah, it's pretty cool.

Yeah, that's cool.

Yeah, it's cool.

That's cool.

And with Plaza.

So it just could not be cooler.

I know, I know.

Our beautiful baby plaza.

What's going?

And I'm aware of, as you're, as a therapist, I'm aware of the the time.

It's 1148.

I am so fine with that.

Okay, just letting you know because I want to override you.

Never want this to happen.

You have a long press day.

And so I know you have to do a lot of talking, but and you have to eat wings.

I don't eat.

You have to eat hot ones.

I'm so sorry I don't have wings.

I know I should be prepping before my diarrhea kicks in.

Even thinking about it.

You're going to eat that wings thing.

You have it and you're like, no.

Absolutely not.

I could say hate milk.

So I don't have to do it.

It's going to be a disaster for you.

No, it's going to be.

Someone said peanut butter on toast beforehand.

Line your stomach.

The things we go through for practice.

Yeah, for no reason.

What do we have to do?

We have to line our stomach?

How did this, how did this happen?

How are we now doing eating spicy things?

And spicier and spicier while being asked.

Really interesting, really interesting questions.

Really great questions.

But the way in which we're like,

I guess for this show, I got to have diarrhea for four days.

For four days, ring of fire.

But I also, there's something about it that I was like, yes,

because it just felt so,

so unique that it just settled up.

This is a really good example of what we were talking about earlier.

Like, you're like, this is going to be fun.

I'm into it.

You're into

the lack of control.

Yeah.

And like, I'm like, am I going to vomit?

Am I going to?

I don't know.

We actually do.

That is actually Friday, but I have a lot, but other stuff to, but I am, so it's a couple days to prep my stomach.

It's like a colonoscopy.

I can't even eating light.

But like in reverse, because I think I got to line it as thick as possible.

So there's no way.

Like my throat down to my colon has to just be lined.

With bread.

Yogurt, peanut butter, and just bread.

Shoved in there.

Show business, baby.

Show business.

That's what, that's why we got into show business to do stuff like that, to just eat weird hot stuff

on camera for free.

For free.

But we were talking a little bit about the way in which you're getting received, like when you're out in public, that's a little overwhelming sometimes because of the fandom of it all.

Like there's you're in a machine now that's bigger than maybe some other ones.

And we were kind of talking about that feeling of like having to take on other people's energy.

And how do you balance the introversion and extroversion part of what we do?

Well,

you know, we were talking about hot ones for a while.

Yeah, I knew the pets that they see.

Okay, fans.

No,

it's, you know, you're, I mean, Marvel is a totally different machine, and I am so rarely recognized in my life.

Like,

you know, I just walk out like I don't think about it.

So I'm like, you know, I had one meal with Carrie Kenny Silver, who I love so much.

And she, someone came up to our table and was like, sorry, I have to tell you, I love you.

And I think it's so hilarious.

You go out of the house looking like this.

And I was like, oh, thank you.

My thing is when people go,

can I tell you who you look like?

And I'm always like, please don't.

No.

It is never

going to be great.

It's never going to be great.

Unless it's Scar Joe or something.

Like, it's never.

And it's, and it's also so, it's always someone who is at a hard 30 years older than who I am, which is

fine.

But,

okay.

So let's talk about Philly Justice Justice before we talk about the studio and then we'll be done.

Actually, one of the most, the thing I'm almost the most proud of.

Okay, can you explain to people what we're talking about when we started?

Okay, when we were, there was a bunch of the Parks and Rec actors.

It was Paul, Rudd, you, Rashida, Adam.

And is that it?

Yep, me, we, the original picture that Philly Justice was born out of was me, you, Rashida, Adam, and Rudd.

And it was, we had like businessy outfits on.

I think we were going to court or something.

Or like, so all of us had like very businessy, and I don't know whose idea was it, but we took a, it was, whose idea was it?

But we were all in like kind of staggered stairs and what looked like the front of like a very,

you know, a courthouse.

We'd pretended we were on a fake TV show in the 90s called Philly Justice Justice or the early 2000s.

Yes.

All crossed our arms.

Yes.

Then that became a text chain where we started pretending that we were just pretending we had been texting each other.

Like, as the actress from it, is the pilot going to be picked up?

Like, we were going to do.

Like, we were all very excited.

It was like a David Kelly-esque show.

So there was like some cachet.

It wasn't like a shitty show.

Right.

Catherine is playing like a lawyer question mark.

Question mark.

We don't know.

And who has

a very tempestuous relationship with Angie Martinez, played by Rashida Jones?

Yes.

And we're not sure.

Yes.

A lot of pasts.

I mean, I think you guys are lovers.

Amy, please excuse her.

She knows not what she's doing.

Like Robert Durst when he's guilty.

Sorry.

Every time I bring up being your lesbian tendencies, you start burping and we're like, hmm.

Okay.

But I mean, I remember thinking,

I can't believe how lucky I am that I'm working with people who want to also do this dumb thing.

Yes.

Like,

fun, dumb things to me are a love language.

That's a way of like, it proves like safety, I guess.

That if you're relaxed enough to do fun, dumb things, and you're in the right place.

Yeah.

And the more, the older and older.

I get, I feel like,

just want that.

Yeah.

Like, nothing is that important.

Right.

A great transition into your new show.

And the studio.

But it is fun.

No.

The studio is fun.

It is fun.

And you mentioned Catherine O'Hara.

Talk to us about the show and the cast.

I mean, Catherine O'Hara, another goddess that I couldn't believe.

We've only have a couple of scenes in it, but I have gotten to know her like through the press thing.

And she is, like we were saying, like what I want to, like, that's how I want to grow up.

Yeah.

Even though she's.

you know, basically my aunt, but she is, I mean, on camera and not off camera, like just such a huge, a good egg.

And it's Seth Rogan and Evan Goldberg.

Seth stars in it.

And they both wrote all the episodes and directed all the episodes with like one shot.

They're all like wonders or some invisible seams.

Wow.

I know, but it's really incredible because we rehearsed each scene like a play.

Like we had to rehearse it a gazillion times with the camera and then know when the camera's going to be on you and know like when to get out of the way for the camera and still like try to keep eye contact.

It was so, it was like a the challenges were so

fun and juicy.

And, and also, you knew that if you fucked up one line in it, you'd have to go back to the beginning.

So, like, the tension of everybody

really added to the tension of this fictional studio, Continental Studios, that Seth Rogan just became the head of, and trying to save it, like, it can't keep it from the streamers, and also the like balance between art and um

money.

Like Block Button, like he's a lover of film that just wants to make like you know, Fox Catcher all the time.

And they're like, you can't make it all the time, you have to make a Kool-Aid movie, you know.

So it's like the tension between, and it's Ike Barrenholtz is in it, who's freaking hilarious.

He's so good.

The best.

Chase, Sweet Wonders, Peach, hilarious.

And Brian Cranston has a recurring as the

money guy on top of the studio.

And who do you play?

I play

the market, the head of marketing.

Your look is incredible.

It is incredible.

And I feel like there's a lot of humans in Hollywood that just dress label to label.

So she's just totally down.

Got a girl at Saks

who will bring the shit to the office and she tries it on at lunch, has a tab running, running tab at Saks.

Nice.

And also probably,

you know, what is it, Delaney?

The Dover Street Market.

A lot of like street brands.

She has big nails.

I remember that, right?

She's long, long nails and no personal life.

So it's all filling like a deep, empty hole.

Yes.

That she gets,

that she just lives at her job.

And is it a daily thing or can we say that?

It's weekly.

Okay, great.

I have to say, overall, I'm enjoying a more weekly thing because I feel like we binged too hard.

I do too.

Yeah, and it gives me a headache and also makes me feel like a little bit sick.

The binging is too much.

It's too much.

It's too much.

And you lose the

swallowed at that time.

I was like, three.

I can't do three on your podcast.

Yes.

What is wrong with me?

I just swallowed.

It's a rule of three.

You have to do one more burp for a comedy.

Maybe that was the third name.

It was just.

I swallowed it.

And now it's just a hotel.

There's people I know that listen to these things and they have a hard time, like with whatever it's called.

What's

the word when you don't like mouth sounds?

Oh,

misophonia.

Misophonia.

Where they don't like the milky mouth sounds of people, which I understand.

I understand it.

I understand it.

The worst is when you're talking to someone and there's little white cream on the creases of their mouth.

And then when they talk, you can hear like,

and you just want to be like, slide them again.

I want to slide them.

And I feel like this is the end of our interview because where are we back?

We're back to water.

we're back to water

how badly do you have to pee

not at all i've been peeing this whole time oh right next time i want to wear just i don't even know how it works if there's an adult diaper just a bucket no you just pee the thing people don't tell you about podcasting yeah which i learned when i first started yeah you pee anytime you just pee in your seat all of the men you're watching they're constantly peeing because underneath their table gross there's a stadium buddy yeah or have you ever seen the women's version of that i haven't.

Oh,

the women's version my friend gave me.

It's like a funnel because we can be like,

so

it isn't like a straight shot.

Okay, keep it in my car.

Okay.

I thought you're like, keep it in my pants.

I keep it in my bed.

No, it's a, it's a funnel that you, I suggest getting it.

You're supposed to use it for camping, but I have it for my car because sometimes you're in traffic and it's and it's a, oh no.

Like what and I

get that going while you're driving a car?

I have never, I've never, to be fair, I've never actually used it.

Oh, okay.

But this, knowing it's there.

I know.

That you have a backup.

Maybe also sometimes if there's a questionable gas station restroom, I would rather come to a squat.

I would rather pull over and pee.

I've done that before.

Yeah, I've done that definitely in places that

like the national parks where you like open the small one.

It's just a hole.

Yeah.

I just think

I've pulled over and opened up my car door and just peed.

I think we all have.

I mean, what are you going to do?

What are you going to do?

Seriously, you can't do that.

No, no one wants a UTI.

And you can't be like a man and pee in a bottle like a

oh my God.

Have you ever been?

There's some streets in New York City.

I know this is getting long, but there's some streets in New York that are like

the arteries for getting off the bridges or whatever.

That if you walk down, it's like filled Coke bottles with urine.

Men are so fucking disgusting.

But I have to tell you, okay, last thing.

Sometimes I'm like, women, lift up the freaking seat.

100%.

I'm like, I've sat so many times on other women's urine.

Women, you cannot pee on the seat to protect your own germs.

I know.

You can't not sit on a toilet seat so that I have to sit on it.

I can't just pee.

Yes.

Lift it up.

It's disgusting.

Also, if you're really that weird about it, put toilet paper on the seat.

They have things for you.

They have things.

Don't squat on the seat, pee on it, and then leave.

And then leave.

You know what?

Women are disgusting to me.

Or wipe it off with a, and you're like, I know you just tried to wipe it off, but it's still there, bitch.

You're talking to a gal who left signs in a, in a, uh, when I think it must have been when I was at SNL.

I was like, who is peeing on this seat?

Oh, yes.

I was like, hey, news flash.

This is a disaster for those that follow.

A restroom for a lot of women.

Yeah.

Well, last thing, growing up in Cleveland, we had faulty,

what's it called?

You know, when you flush a toilet.

Oh, plumbing.

Plumbing.

Ah, age.

But my dad had a sign above the toilet that said, poop, flush, white, flush.

Because if you put the poop and

the toilet paper in there, it would overflow immediately.

Flush white flush.

Poop flush, white flush.

I'm going to leave you with that.

Anywho.

But

I think these are important things to say.

They are.

They are.

They are.

We don't talk about it, but these are.

But also, just women, lastly, lift up the seat.

Just to clarify the name.

You don't have to,

you don't have to lift.

Yeah, don't, just sit on it.

Sit on it.

Sit on the seat.

Or if you don't feel like sitting on it, lift it.

Sit on the seats.

Sit on the seat.

What?

Like, where are we?

That's why they, just, where are we?

You're so lucky to have a seat.

There's a lot of people that just have to squat.

If someone ran for like Congress and their whole thing was sit on the seat,

they'd win.

They'd win.

They would win.

Sit on the seat.

I'm going to start making bumper stickers.

Okay.

I'm asking a bunch of people because you love to laugh.

You have a great laugh.

I'm asking a bunch of people, what are they doing right now to make themselves laugh?

Like, what is the thing you're watching or doing or listening to?

What cracks you up?

My dog.

Really cracks me up.

He's such a little weenus.

Everything, his name is Banjo, and he's such an idiot.

He's such a mutt, and he has this tail that's always so high, so he's got a really aggressive asshole.

And everything he does is so stupid that he makes me laugh so hard.

He's a dingo.

Like everything he does.

What does he do?

What does he do?

Like he'll walk.

He'll get outside and he'll like do laughs, like back and forth as fast as he can from one side of the lawn to the other.

Like he won't stop.

And he he'll just have, he has this corn cob that he can chew has a sound in it.

And he'll just look at you and be like,

like, and you hear the porn going on for so long and so his anxiety is funny he has had a cone on for a third of his life

because he constantly is eating something or he'll look at you like there's just blood gushing out of his back leg and we're like banjo

He'll he licked the skin off of his own little paw because he just was stressed out.

And then he keeps licking it.

So he's had to, yeah.

So who would play banjo in a movie if he was a human?

No.

It would be.

It would be, he's got a lot of um white male privilege.

He is so blonde.

It's not Patrick Schwarzenegger because he's really great.

Honestly, it's a young Leo is really what it's a young Leo.

It's a young Leo.

It's like a

maybe it's the kid from Baby Girl.

What's his name?

Yes.

Right?

His I don't know his name.

Fuck, well

we have a laptop.

We can't figure it out.

Harris Dickinson.

Harris Dickinson.

Maybe it's a Harris Dickinson.

Yeah, with a little more like,

I'll do whatever you say, but I can't, I forgot it already.

It's kind of like that.

His day focuses at five o'clock.

That's the only thing he holds on to is dinner at five.

Everything else is chaos.

And all of a sudden at 4:45, he's like,

I love him so much.

Good news.

We just got, we just heard that Austin Butler is excited to read for Banjo.

Oh,

okay.

So, okay.

Maybe.

I'll put him.

I'm curious to see his.

I'd love to see him read.

love to see him read.

I'd love to see him read.

Can't wait to get the tape.

Okay, love me.

I love you so much.

Okay.

Thank you to Catherine Hahn, our great hilarious friend.

Man, that was so fun.

She's so funny.

And she was reminding us about dance parties, which we used to have on the set of Parks and Rec.

And I want to remind you: you can always have your own.

All you need is three songs,

one other person, and

the want and need to have fun.

So

do it now.

Let's start with Brass in Pocket by the Pretenders.

Take it slow, warm up and stretch, then go to

Red Wine Supernova, Chapel Rowan, sing all the lyrics really loudly and point to each other.

And then finish by going to the club with

a little Rihanna,

We Found Love in a Hopeless Place, and pretend that you've lost your purse on the dance floor and run around.

Three songs is all you need to change your day.

Thank you guys so much for listening to another episode.

Thanks for hanging.

You've been listening to Good Hang.

The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss Berman, and me, Amy Poehler.

The show is produced by The Ringer and Paperkite.

For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spilane, Kaya McMullen, and Aalaya Zanaires.

For Paper Kite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weiss Burman.

Original music by Amy Miles.