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Hello, everyone.

Welcome to another episode of Good Hang.

Very excited about today.

We're talking to the Jonas brothers, Kevin, Joe, Nick.

One of them shares my birthday.

You're going to have to figure out which one.

And we talk about so many fun things.

We talk about their new album, Greetings from Your Hometown.

We talk about

BG, the Bee Gees and how much we love the Bee Gees.

We talk about Broadway and we sing from Les Miz.

It's a good one, guys.

Buckle up.

So we always start these episodes by asking someone who knows our guest to give me a question to ask them.

We find out a little bit more and we get the dirt.

And we are very excited to have our guest today, Jack McBraer,

Kenneth.

from 30 Rock,

great improviser and Chicago comedian who I spent many years improvising with.

Joining me, Jack, hello.

How are you, my darling?

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Jack?

McBreach?

McBray?

McBrazil.

Who are you?

You know, one of the best things about doing these things is that I just get to say hi to people and I miss you.

It's good to see you.

Oh, it's been a minute.

I guess the last time I would have seen you was February 14th at Radio City Music Hall for the SNL Music Thing.

Oh, that's right for the big 50th celebration.

How are you?

I can't believe I'm doing this.

What is this, by the way?

Oh, I don't know.

Who knows?

It's a pyramid scheme.

No, this is a podcast called Good Hang, and I'm headed with the Jonas Brothers on tomorrow.

I'm familiar.

I'm familiar.

When did you become first familiar with the Jonas Brothers as an entity rather than actual people?

Good question.

As an entity, I mean, it would have been, I guess, early in their career because we knew like who all the Disney kids were.

Right.

And they were some of the, you know, OG Disney kids.

But I mean, because I am older than everyone.

Not me, sir.

Not me.

We're a close, a close second.

But I didn't necessarily know their work.

I knew they were very, very popular.

And I knew that they did movies together as brothers.

And, you know,

it was interesting to watch that evolution because, I mean, I could not even imagine working with any member of my family.

And yet, here that you are with this whole empire.

I know.

It's really, really fun to think about the questions I want to ask them because it is they are working with their family it is not a family business is not easy it's a very interesting dynamic to watch but also they are all just genuine human beings just wonderful young men and it really has been a pleasure to get to know all of them together and each of them individually so how did you meet them how did you become friends february 14th another valentine's day 2009 uh alec baldwin was hosting saturday night love with your musical guest the jonas brothers um and alec very graciously

had an opportunity for me to come up during the monologue and do a fun little bit with them.

And so because I'm there for the, you know, days leading up to it for those rehearsals, I got to hang out with the Jonas Brothers.

So delightful.

They were just big fans of comedy.

And they're just like, again, good, solid folk.

So that is when I met them.

And over the years, our paths crisscrossed through different things.

I was staying at the same hotel in Toronto as Nick Jonas several years later.

And

they all came to Saturday Night Live again when Demi Lovato was a musical guest.

So a lot of just crisscrossing through the years.

And then more recently, Nick Jonas got back into acting or, you know, focusing on acting and was on a show called Scream Queens with my neighbor, Glenn Powell.

Right, that's you.

Glenn would have movie nights and all that kind of stuff.

You are so connected, Jack.

I might be too connected.

It's it's weird.

It's suspicious.

It's fantastic.

I mean,

you are the best.

Okay, so Glenn and you and Nick and others have game nights, I'm hoping.

Correct.

Game nights, movie nights.

Oh, oh, oh, you're going to love this.

Nick Jonas's favorite movie is They Came Together.

And you know why I know this?

During COVID.

During COVID, I went to your driveway.

There was only a few people I saw during COVID, and one of them was Jack McBrair, who came to my driveway masked and gloved, because that was back when we were really,

we were

taking all precautions to sign a They Came Together poster, a film that me and Paul Rudd did for Nick Jonas.

Nick Jonas, whose birthday is

the same birthday as mine, September 16th.

And the reason why Jack knows that is because jack is a savant is a savant one of his love languages is you remember and you take deep you you you care deeply about reaching out to people on their birthday and everyone gets a jack mcbrayer happy birthday text and it means a lot to a lot of us It's so fun.

And, you know, I learn a lot.

Some people are like, oh, you only texted me this year.

I like it when you call me so I can keep the message.

I was like, oh, my gosh.

So, yeah, I try to shake it up.

Today I only have one.

It's Leslie Powell, Glenn Powell's sister.

Oh, I do whole families.

I know.

It's like, let's see, Kevin Jonas is November 5th.

Joe Jonas, August 15th.

And Nick Jonas, September 16th.

And so as Nick and Joe and Kevin's friend,

what question do you think I should ask them today?

What is their conflict resolution situation like?

I wonder, like, I think that their lives are so unique because they've been famous so much longer than they've been not famous.

What does that feel like?

What you're talking about is so interesting because the question there is like you've had you've had to deal with fame for a really long time.

What's your relationship to it now?

And I wonder too, like if each of the individual brothers deals with it differently.

For example, you know, Kevin and his family are off on the East Coast and, you know, there's co-parenting going on with, you know, there's just a lot of different versions of what's happening.

and uh but they're all just solid dudes and it is always always a joy to see each and every one of them i'm such a fan of them as people also they're good at music they're really good at music

they're very ugly

all right jack i love you thank you so much for giving us the time and the question Oh my gosh.

Well, I hope it was helpful.

And yes, have so much fun with them.

I'm so happy to see you.

You too, buddy.

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I am so psyched you guys are here.

Thank you so much for coming.

And also, you have, we just found out that Nick has two shows tonight.

Two shows.

It's a two-show day, which I know from Broadway

means you have a matinee and a matinee, an evening show.

And so thank you for not for like talking because I know a lot of people have to save their voice for a two-show day.

Well, a lot of people are weak.

That's for sure.

That's for sure.

You got to hit the vocal drink.

You guys are pros.

I mean, and you have to sing all the time

and sing good.

Yeah.

You can sing, but you got to.

See, singing is one thing.

Singing good is another.

And do you worry about losing your voice?

Yeah, I was paranoid about losing my voice or getting sick today or just in general.

Just this whole run.

Yeah, it's kind of like a living stress dream.

Oh, my God.

I mean,

have you had to cancel shows because of

Nick?

Yeah.

We've canceled shows.

There was a long

because of me.

Yeah,

the first show we ever canceled.

Yeah, yeah.

Was in

Zurich.

Nick didn't like Zurich, so we were like, we have to cancel the show.

He was like, I'm out of here.

But it was nice because we did have a great day off in Zurich.

But we stayed in the room.

There's nothing better than canceled plans.

And I know you love your fans and you want to provide plans.

There's nothing you can do about it.

There's nothing you can do about it.

But if your plans are canceled, there's no better way.

Especially if you're not the one canceling them.

But

you were in Leigh Miz as a little kid.

One day more.

Another day, another destiny.

I did a deal.

Angel's boy.

You got it.

I know a place where no one cries.

That show is, I saw it so many times.

Me too.

When Nick,

it was actually one of my like.

Oh, when your brother was in it.

Yeah, when he was in it.

And so it was one of those things where I felt so empowered, though, and so like cool kid because my class in that year that he was in the show went there on a field trip.

Like, that's their field trip every year was to go see Liam Miss.

Oh, my history class, I guess.

And he was in the show that day.

I was like, Yes, my brother.

It was like, I can get you backstage if you want.

It kind of wanted, no, I got to like leave, like, stay there afterwards.

And like, they all went back to school.

And I was like, cool, hanging out.

You know, you were like, I'm not going back to school.

It felt so cool.

Thanks, Nick.

Finally, I wanted to say, eldest child to eldest child.

First of all, not a big deal, but you arrived first today.

I I always arrive first.

Of course you do.

Because, I mean, congratulations having an older brother who's keeping it together, but the definitely not keeping it together, but I'll be on time.

But the eldest child.

And you guys are basically, you kind of, you two share the middle section because you were the baby until.

Right.

Oh, yeah.

We're, yeah, we share the middle child.

For those that don't know, we have a...

a younger brother from Franklin Jonas.

Franklin, it was born like eight years later than you.

Eight years, yeah, after me.

He's incredible.

Yeah, he's but he's, you know, or he took away.

I was originally the middle child, and then now he fucked it all up.

Yeah, he took everything from both of you.

I mean, you're not the baby, you're not the middle.

Yeah, I don't know what

you're saying.

Yeah, you're the second of four.

There's literally no name for it.

How many siblings do you have?

I have just a younger brother.

That's it.

So I'm the eldest.

Eldest sister.

You guys don't have any sisters to like keep you, like, you keep your brains functioning, basically.

Yeah, it's a lot.

It is.

It's a lot of boys.

It's a lot of boys.

But now we all have girls.

So it's, you know, that's right.

So it's going to be a whole thing.

God is fair.

God is fair.

Okay.

We are going to talk about your new record, but I want to talk about New Jersey.

Cool.

So many good singers from New Jersey.

So many good bands from New Jersey.

And people.

And people.

Some people.

Tell us about your hometown.

Wow.

We grew up in a place called Wyckoff, New Jersey.

I still live in New Jersey because I never really got out.

Yeah.

still chooses me sucked me back in of course um but no growing up in jersey was the first time like we we did grow up in uh dallas as well and north carolina and arizona we like moved around a bunch with our family but new jersey is where we like was home with like growing up and when i think it's the first place i remember feeling like riding bikes seeing houses like kids playing in you know the yards and like it was like

the first time you saw house

we lived in yeah i'm sorry it was just a really funny way to put that like i meant to see like white picket fence house like that.

Like the American dream.

Yes.

I've never seen a home before.

First time I ride a bike, Tall House.

But yeah, you're supposed to do the show after 12 o'clock.

Yeah, but

your hometown, and it's the name of your new record,

it means something to you.

It's like, you know, that, like, they're saying, like, you can't take the...

You can't take the white cough New Jersey out of the boy.

Like,

it's like you're like a homing pigeon or something.

Like you do end up going back to some version of it or

deeply rejecting it.

It's like one or the other.

That was one of the things that we talked a lot about because we, you know, we're, we're also gearing up for the tour, which represents, you know, our 20th anniversary of being a band.

I know, congratulations.

Thank you.

It's, it's been a wild ride.

But one of the things in just talking through Creative that we initially sort of butted heads on and then we found the sort of solve for it emotionally is like, not everyone has a great relationship with their hometown, to your point.

Yeah.

And not everyone has a great relationship with their family.

But one of the things that we're, I think, most grateful for is that our fans have chosen this family, but meaning our family, but also each other.

And you see it at the shows, and they really band together to say that even if your relationship with your hometown is complicated, even if your relationship with your family is complicated, you're safe here in the same way that we felt safe, you know, in our hometown growing up and with each other.

And it's a pretty incredible thing to look out and see now that sort of multi-generational effect of the fan base

and how it stems

to some really deep touch points for us, both with our roots in Jersey and our musical roots, speaking of some of those legends from Jersey.

Okay, I want to talk about the tour because I'm obsessed with how people act on tour.

You have all toured at various stages of your life.

And let me just say, congratulations on 20 years.

I think when people...

think of you because they met you when you were young, they still think of you.

And by the way, this is going to be great.

As you get older, people will always think you're younger than you are.

But they knew you and met you when you were younger.

And I don't think they realize the amount of time you've been performing.

20 years together is a huge milestone.

And it's awesome.

And you've now, I'm sure, gone out and toured in a million different ways.

And tours probably feel different every time you go out.

Now that you're this age, what does touring look like to you?

What do you do, not do saving your voice, going out at night?

What does it look like?

Wow.

I think it changed a lot for us um over the last like five years our our most recent tour we went on it was celebrating five albums yeah so we were trying to play five albums in one show it's about a two and a half hour show wow we did a lot of medleys so we were able to make the time but it was a lot on our voice and just physically exhausting and we played i think a hundred and some hundred how many i don't even know it was a lot of shows yeah it's really impressive incredible and thank you

it is

And we had, you start to realize you're not in your early 20s anymore.

You have to really take care of your body.

And so for me, I was like not drinking before shows and

then trying to get at least six, seven hours of sleep.

We also all have kids, so we have to be up.

We want to be up in the morning.

Six or seven, it's not enough.

Not enough.

And then after the show,

it takes time to kind of like wind down and decompress.

The high is so Nick takes way longer.

Like I'll be, I could be asleep within an hour.

Like, on the plane, there's so many photos of Joe Hazard.

You know,

passed out.

It's just one of those things.

I'll watch a movie.

Yeah.

But Nick will be up till four or five in the morning just because they come down.

Yeah.

Just, you know, my mind's like racing after the show about how they could be better.

And you gather everyone together and you give them notes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The note, yeah, the notes take a while to.

I think the thing that's the most different for me is

hours hours hours of notes i think the thing that's most different for me is like i've spent a little bit more time uh like after this last tour i noticed it even more so but like working with someone um like a therapist to help me understand that coming down from it all like after a big project like that like being in the midst of the touring i was so in it for so long that i feel like coming the the come off it can be so dramatic as well it's almost like everyone says like talk about like the show blues like after you do a project like the next morning you wake up and there's like you know like kind of depressed.

Well, it can be the same for me, at least,

my personal story, uh, about like after a tour.

Yes, of course, I can re-acclimating can be difficult.

It's so interesting you say that because you know, I wanted to ask you, like, your relationship to fame.

You've been famous for a long time, and it's that's a microcosm of the bigger idea of like sometimes success or things that are successful, or just like big giant serotonin bursts and like cortisol dumps and all that stuff.

Like, it is, it is a roller coaster to come down from.

Well, I think redefining for myself is redefining what the goal is and redefining what a win is.

Right.

Because things change constantly

about like what success means.

Yeah.

I think now for me, success means like enjoying my time doing what I love.

And no matter what the outcome is, as long as we're doing it together, as long as my family is with us and enjoying that and they're happy and that's a win for me.

Yeah.

Obviously, you do want milestones to happen, but like that's the bigger picture.

Yeah.

You know, it's easier to say some of these things and

truly believe that you have a grip and a perspective on how to maintain some sanity.

And then functionally you get into the weeds of life in the public eye and traversing all that is complicated about it.

I think it's just about

trying your best to, and it's going to sound so cliche before I say it, but trying your best to be a kind and thoughtful person while you're dealing with your own shit.

That's absolutely right.

And I feel the older you get, the more you realize the less you know.

Like you're like, oh, I actually am less certain.

And there's some freedom in that too.

Totally.

But you're fine with fame, Joe.

I'm actually really good at it.

Yeah.

I don't really understand what they're talking about, to be honest.

You get it.

I don't have no problem.

It feels like literally, like every time.

I know.

It's so weird.

Like, I'm always like feeling don't leave behind me.

We can hear you guys.

Oh, I'm sorry.

I don't want to sound like a broken record, but I actually told them to say all that.

And I will add that the why, kind of what you mentioned earlier, like that was also on that tour that we were on.

I think more so, like after a while, you're like 60 shows in, you're like, wow, this mountain that we're going to climb every night.

And I'm tired or you're going through something really crazy in your personal life.

And you feel like, okay, well, how do I navigate this?

And also try to do a great performance.

I mean, as a person that goes to very few concerts because

they're too late, they're too long.

I'm with you, honestly.

I don't really like,

I cancel a lot of concerts.

What do you think is like the sweet spot?

Okay.

Well, now, look, there are exceptions.

Like, of course, Taylor, incredible.

Her, her show, of course, it's incredible.

Bruce Springsteen, incredible.

Like these shows that should be three hours and are incredible productions.

But unless you're going that big, I can't do a two and a half hour concert.

I'm so, I'm so glad.

I'm with you.

I'm excited because it's just too long.

Yeah.

And I want to hear the hits.

I don't know why someone is mad at me when they don't play the hits.

I'm like, why are you mad at me?

What happened?

Why are we hearing the songs that we love?

But it isn't.

You got me out of my house.

I got in my car.

Or I was driven there.

And I was the standing.

I mean, if everyone could.

Take a seat.

Think of how great it would be if everyone took a seat.

I will say, yes, I understand from the audience perspective, but I think from a momentum perspective for us, I feel like like that would be a shift.

That would be a shitter you get.

Like,

I get it.

But what if everyone agreed, everyone was like, hey, we're going to have a really good time and we're not.

We'll stand at the end.

No pressure.

You know, you get it when you see like, I saw Fleetwood Mac.

And it was like the first two songs, like, yeah.

And then the audience just collected.

It was like,

incredible.

And they're like, they got it.

No questions.

Like, guys, get up.

It's Fleetwood Mac.

No, they're like, guys, I love Fleetwood Mac, and I gotta last.

I gotta last.

I gotta last.

I gotta last.

Like, I can't stand up for an hour.

Like, what am I?

For an hour.

Yeah.

Are we waiting in line for something?

Yeah, am I at, you know, my granddaughter's wedding?

What's happening?

They have those things that, like, wearable seats now.

You can just, like, flip it back and just kind of stand and sit.

Are you serious?

Yeah, it's a thing.

Wearable seats.

Wearable seats?

Yeah.

You stand.

There was a whole bit of this.

I just watched it.

Silicon Valley did it like a whole bit about one of the guys who had a wearable seat.

And he was like, hated him because of it.

I would totally love that.

It's basically like a backpack that it's like literally like, well, it looks like, and he just like kind of flips his butt back and like sits.

Honestly, if I can get a seat, it changes my whole night.

If I was at a show and I had a seat, I'd stay another two hours.

You know, it's coming in your mail tomorrow.

Wearable seats.

No, but I mean, but, but I do, like, as a, as a person who goes and watches performances and, you know, It's funny, comedy and music have an interesting,

like we're kind of cousins.

Like, I know you guys are big fans of comedy and you're very funny and you've come and done SNL and you have a great sense of humor about yourself and you love funny people.

And I feel like that happens a lot with comedians.

Like comedians are like, man, I wish I was a musician.

Like I love the

feeling.

Like there's just like they understand each other sometimes.

What is your relationship to comedy?

How important was it to you?

And like, you know, well, early in our career, we had no traction going on the music yet.

This was like 2005 and 6.

And YouTube was kind of new and it was a new and exciting way for us to connect with our fans.

And

we were teenagers with a flip camera, whatever that was.

And we were just making funny videos.

And

we always like, you know, loved and admired

great comedic actors.

I think probably just had a ton of confidence and obviously no like comedic chops.

But it was enough,

Specifically this side of the table, no comedic chops.

But we

really

used that as a way to promote our music.

And then eventually when things started to happen with Disney and everything else,

you know, it became a lot more structured and there was like writers and all this kind of stuff.

And it was like a whole new world for us.

But it was, I think, really empowering and exciting was that

they listened to some of our ideas and allowed us to infuse some of our own voices into the characters that we played and and the various projects we did.

And then so when we, yeah, we got the call to do SNL, the first time we did it was Valentine's Day 2009.

It was wild.

The host was Alec Baldwin.

Alec Baldwin was the host.

He played the fifth Jonas Brother in the skip.

It was very funny.

Yeah.

Yes, I did.

And you, how old were you when you did that in 2009?

I was 17.

Dang.

17.

2017?

22.

Wow.

And it was, yeah, it was like one of our biggest dreams come true.

And there was this really

wild

digital short that we did with Andy and the guys.

I was just listening to, I listened to Lonely Island and Seth Meyer's podcast.

They were talking about it today.

Oh, really?

Oh, really?

Cool.

They were talking about it today.

On the way over here, they were talking about how fun it was to do it with you, how you guys, and it came out of the stupid songs you guys would make with each other.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We had an idea of doing some 80s hair metal band called Property of the Queen.

Great name, by the way.

Great name.

Might name.

Not offensive metal.

Incredible looks in

that.

Oh, yeah.

And then they built this whole story out of it.

So much.

Forte was playing guitar with you.

Yeah.

There's some.

And I think Bill was like playing a wizard.

He played the wizard.

The wizard.

The whole concept, which was the brilliant unlock of it.

All we had was like a couple of really dumb songs that we wanted to do something with, and this idea to do like an 80s hair metal band.

The wizard.

And so Andy was like, so what if, what if you guys are like, you know, time travelers or vampires or something, and Bill is this wizard who grants you this wish to come back in time to play SNL on Valentine's Day, 2009?

And I catch you.

Yeah, and he catches us in our con.

It was very funny.

Yeah, it's so good.

What was the love song?

Our love is like the Great Wall of China?

Was that it?

Yeah.

Our love.

You can see it from out of space.

The Great Wall of China.

You can see it from outer space.

So good.

That's so dumb.

Do you guys make up dumb songs all the time?

And when you're, do you sing other people's music?

Yes.

What do you sing with each other?

Like, I have this theory.

Yeah.

It's not a controversial one, but it's a litmus test for me of if a song could be a hit.

Okay.

And it's if you can spoof it.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, if you can make it anything else.

We have with that.

And it works.

We have a song on a new album called I Can't Lose.

It says, I can't lose.

But I keep singing, I can't poop.

And I think it should be a Pepto Bismo out or something

well

but the next line is when I'm with you so that we'll have to figure that one out maybe it's like a date you're on a date and it's awkward

they're anxious I can't think when I'm with you they're on vacation

that's so funny but you're right like specific actually on vacation well yeah it's a thing that people deal with what how do you flip around songs that are out right now like I know what you're talking about like when you when you get into a song and then you start singing it a different way I mean you're kind of weird Alet for a better yeah yeah

Yeah, and I think that that's a sign.

He did pick hit songs.

Do you sing harm?

Do you sing harm?

Do you harmonize to other people's songs when you're together?

Like,

I just want to harm.

You just want to sing with us, don't you?

Yes, because I feel, okay.

I am.

I'm an okay singer.

I'm fine.

I'm not good, but I'm a pretty good harmonizer.

But

I feel like I want to challenge myself to see if I can get in and create a fourth part.

Okay, love it.

What should we sing?

How can you stop the rain from falling down?

How can you sneak?

That was it.

Yeah.

Perfect.

Thanks.

It's like a middle.

It's a middle part.

Thanks for

watching me.

I love that song.

It's a great song.

Great.

In fact, you're

sorry, what's the name of the single again?

Is it up here, Jenna?

No time to talk.

No time to talk.

It's in my email.

Okay, I want to put it.

Oh, you have it in your email.

Yes, it's so good.

And it it has a

it's an interpolation

that's what they would do

so

crazy story with this song started writing it like seven years ago really

and just assumed that it would never get cleared by right bee gee's and by barry gibb

and finally

top of this year i pulled it back out of the you know vault vault and i was like this we need to finish this song yeah this one's special and so i've teamed up with Minetta, who I started it with, who worked on a bunch of Sabrina Carpenter stuff last year.

He's killing it.

And Steph Jones to help finish the lyrics.

And then basically we sent it to Mr.

Gibb, who had come to shows with his family before and

just been the absolute best company and

really, you know.

supported us early in our career and spent some time with our father and talked about the industry and all this stuff.

So we got word back within a couple of days that it was approved and that they were excited about the song.

I was like, that's awesome.

We have a collab with the Bee Gees.

With Barry.

I mean,

the Bee Gees were really big growing up for me.

And they were like very famous brothers who also, like you guys, had good hair.

Great hair.

Incredible hair.

The flow.

Just incredible hair.

And that's very cool that Barry was, he must have been excited about

your interpolation.

Interpolation.

Interpolation.

So this, yeah, the songs just come out.

Very excited.

It's a really good driving song.

Off a new album, Greetings from Your Hometown.

Oh, they gave you an old edit, too.

You're listening to.

This is an old edit?

Yeah, I mean, I guess, yeah.

Use it.

Yeah, we gave you an exclusive.

Well, somebody was like, I can't understand what you're saying, Joe.

And I was like,

I was like, I can understand what I'm saying.

And they're like, well,

we can't.

You have to re-record it.

So I had to re-record it.

And

on behalf of people that like short concerts,

we didn't use it.

We stick to the original.

Must have been off that event.

It didn't sound as cool as when you were mumbling.

When you were, I'll, but.

I'd like to know what you're saying

because I can't understand it.

And I want to sing along.

I'm saying side to side when your hands tone up top bass.

Joe does not know what he's saying.

Side to side.

You throw some babies and O's in there and it like works.

I was just re-listening to Cake by the Ocean the other day, actually.

And it's also kind of hard to understand what you're saying there, but that worked out just fine.

Do you know what you're saying there?

Well,

maybe that's another sign of a good song.

If it's a mumbler, it's a worker.

Well, I think most people don't know.

Yeah.

I constantly

will see people in the audience be like, I'm not mumble, mumble, mumble.

And then cake by the ocean.

That's usually how it goes.

Yeah, you just got to get to there.

Yeah.

Yeah.

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I think that flexibility and being able to pivot and also having a good sense of humor about yourself is why it's like longevity in the business.

And I do feel like you...

you all have that.

You just have to keep pivoting and you have to stay kind of flexible and you have to have a good sense of humor about yourself.

Did you learn any of that stuff when you were like young?

And because

a lot of people that come to SNL, if they come from having experience at Disney, we would always say that what they knew how to do really well was work hard and be professional.

Like it is to be professional is, it's a learned skill.

People don't know how to

necessarily show up to a set and figure out how to hit their mark and like how to be prepared.

Like those are learned skills.

And that was always the case with a lot of musicians who came through the show who had that.

Did you feel like you learned stuff like that there when you were there?

Definitely.

The thing that Disney and working with Disney on, you know, camp rock projects for our TV show,

what it really taught us was work ethic and the ability to be on a set.

We had never done anything on a film or TV set.

And it's really good training ground.

Now, it doesn't necessarily prepare you for like deep character work, but that's not really what it's there to do.

It's really fun, entertaining stuff for a certain demographic.

And I think, you know, in our

maybe in our like late teens, when we were sort of aging out of playing high schoolers and stuff, and then, you know, obviously in our 20s,

there's that moment where you're kind of embarrassed by it, or you're like, oh, man, we're known for this thing.

Thankfully, we've been able to, you know, make career moves and things where we can look back on that fondly.

And I think it marks a chapter in, you know, our fans' life now who have grown up too, and their kids are being introduced to them.

Absolutely.

And those people, just like the song is for them, those people don't want to feel embarrassed about the stuff they used to like.

I mean, that's the thing is like, we all, when we were younger, like really invested in things at that tender age, and we cared about it.

And you guys

were around for a lot of people's tender ages.

And now everyone's growing up together.

And it's like, why do we want to go back and be mean to the younger version of ourselves?

We're just trying to figure it out.

Guilty pleasure is a bad word in my house.

Ooh, why?

Why?

Why?

Yeah.

It's like, it's because it's like, you should be allowed.

Yeah, yeah, this is what this is.

This is what I do.

Got him.

Got him.

Yes, Nick.

It's too much.

You're trying to come back from that, bro.

It's like he's literally sweating.

He's never going to come back from that.

You got this, eldest.

Here we go.

It's been fun.

Thanks.

Guilty pleasure is a bad word.

Guilty pleasure is a bad word.

Because it's guilty pleasure is a bad word.

Because the word z.

Because it literally is.

Defines defines who you are you could be yes agree you should be allowed to like what you like yeah i think it's totally agree i love it i i think it's fun to think about when you were a kid the things that you're into and that you still love and there was a season where you're like nervous about it we used to go on a school bus with cds and taped cassettes in our hands and back then you'd like kind of be shy to like show what you're listening to now it's like through spotify you can listen to everything yeah and you're like it's it's everywhere which is nice and it's not like a big deal that you're listening to this style music and that style music and there's you know it goes into other weird things you might listen to.

In a totally different context, you know, I was to have this conversation with some people the other day, which is like, it's so hard to get anything made.

Totally.

Oh, dude.

It's so difficult to get anything made, produced, put on a platform of any kind.

Yes.

And it just feels like we don't have to

use a blanket statement like it's objectively excellent.

It can just be good to whoever is receiving it.

You're absolutely right.

And also, don't you feel like now that you've spent 20 years making things that you really are just, I mean, I find myself being way less, I mean, when you're a teenager in your 20s, there's a lot of black and white, like, I'll always, I'll never, that sucks, that's great.

You're trying to figure out your taste and who you are.

But as you get older, you do, and you, and if you're lucky enough to make things, you really do feel like, oh, there's something interesting there.

And I like how that was made.

And I know that was hard.

And I can figure out that process.

And I understand what they were trying to say there, but maybe it didn't hit there.

Like, you just understand the complexity of making things.

Yeah, it's so different.

Can I put you in the hot seat for a second?

Always.

I have a question about

things that

you've done, you did, that when you look back on, is there anything you like in the moment, you're like, this is silly, and you know, people are laughing, but did it feel like

this is annoying to be happy doing this bit that they're enjoying, and I'm personally like not.

I know what you mean.

Like, that wasn't the most important

way.

Yeah, like is yeah i think like especially as an actor you know you're you're worried that the way you enter the business will always be the way that you're seen in business

and it's like will i be typecast like i i remember when i first started i was doing all these crazy characters like i played this young sister of conan o'brien on like late night with conan o'brian like i was like a nut and then i would get cast a lot as just this like

you know, really like intense person.

And then I did a lot of movies and TV shows where I was an intense person with lots of energy, like just kind of forcing people to do things.

And I was good at it.

I liked doing it.

And, but then I would worry sometimes, am I just always playing this kind of person?

Like, am I always going to be seen as this way?

And,

you know, even just being like a starting in sketch, like it was like, will people just always think of me as this kind of way?

And just like you said, it started to become less the thing I worried about and more the thing I was just proud of because

I learned so much from it.

I got to do so many things because of it.

And as long as you believe that you are not limited,

then you're not.

Yeah.

Totally.

You don't have to, you know, it's basically just like

other people's opinion is none of your business.

Totally.

It just takes a long time to get there, I think.

Actually, after I did SNL

one time and

somebody said to me, it was exactly what I needed to hear.

It was one of the writers came and said, hey, just don't try to be funny.

And I was like, oh, that's, that like hurts in the moment.

But then it's like, but that's so accurate.

It's funny.

Right.

So you don't have to jam it to be funny.

And it was like so freeing.

And then I stopped worrying about like, am I being silly or am I being this?

I'm just, you know,

saying the words that are already funny.

That's the vibe I get from you guys is your confidence in just like goofing around and being funny.

And I mean, it is, it it is.

It's just when you get out of your own head and you're just, but it takes some time, I think.

I think it's like that's, that's what comes with age.

Well, you're in my favorite movie ever.

You know that.

Okay.

Our favorite.

Actually, he talks about it.

They talk about it.

It's a frame poster that Nick has in his back.

So I'm going to talk to you about something.

So we do this thing at the beginning of each podcast where we talk to people who know our guest and we kind of talk well behind their backs.

And we, and I, and I get to know the guest a little bit and I kind of prep for the guest with someone who knows them.

So I talked to Jack McBray.

Okay, I was about to say, ah.

Love Jack.

He texted me yesterday.

Loved him.

Yeah.

And he's, you know, I don't know.

He didn't tell me that.

I have a lot of friends.

He did it.

He was just friends, but there's only one Jack that sends a birthday video to you every year, no matter what.

No matter what.

On your birthday.

And it's like, I have like people I see like every day that don't do that.

He, in fact, when we were talking, he said, I only have one birthday today.

And I realized, like, this is a full-time job to keep up with everybody.

He's a, he's a, it's a thing.

And people should know,

we have the same birthday.

We have the same birthday september 16th

same year molly shannon same year molly shannon also has the same birthday that's right oh um you know i i set up her instagram that's amazing tell us about this is a real story

that's the right story we were at uh sundance film festival like in 2016 or 17 And we ended up at this bar.

We're like having a few drinks talking.

She's like, my daughter really thinks I should get on Instagram.

Do you know how to do it?

I was like, yeah, give me your phone.

And so I set up her thing, and it's like the official superstar is her name.

Yeah.

Because we were like a few drinks in, just like, what should we say your name is?

She said,

stuck.

Yeah, I set up this.

That's cool.

And that is.

And he still runs it.

And he has the password still.

She'll text him photos and videos and say, hey, Nick, can you get this up in the next hour?

And Nick's like, I have two shows today.

Like, I don't have time for this.

Damn it, Nick, get it up now.

So Jack is such, like, it just loves you guys guys so much.

And

Jack and I laughed because during deep COVID, when no one was going out and everybody was wearing gloves and masks and meeting each other in the driveway, Jack came to my house to have me sign a they came together poster for you.

Because he said it was a message.

It's the things we do during COVID.

Also, like, it's not like I'm, this isn't like a bit.

Like, it's legit.

It brings me the most joy.

I love that movie.

For people who don't know, Paul Rudd and I did a movie that David Wayne directed

that Michael Schowalter and David Wayne wrote was a parody of a rom-com.

Yeah, and it's brilliant.

Like, it's, I did a movie with Paul last year, which comes out either later this year or next year.

And the first day on set, I was like, I have to just ask you how this happened.

What's the story?

And he kind of gave me the lowdown.

It was a table read or something that then, you know, you guys did the movie.

But my point about it is like, it's not just one of those

hilarious, quotable movies.

It's really smart.

And like it makes it.

I feel like it's a lot of the comedy that Tim Robinson's doing now, too.

Yeah, like it, it some of the movies.

It's sort of ahead of its time.

It's so good.

And I do have the signposter.

And Jack didn't remember that he was in the movie.

And then we're at a friend's house.

We're actually at hilarious.

Glenn Powell's house with Corey.

I've heard you guys are friends with Glenn Powell.

Yeah.

And I'm like, have you guys ever seen They Came Together?

And everyone's like, no,

let's watch it.

And Jack's like, oh, I'm in this movie.

No, was that real or is that like a jack bit?

No, I think he legit forgot that he was in the movie.

He's super famous.

He works a lot.

And he was in, like, playing basketball.

He might have forgotten.

That scene is so good.

There's a hilarious scene in the movie where it's just, you know, it's that moment in every movie where the men are just trying to figure things out.

And they each represent like a different point of view.

I'm the married guy.

I think you should stay with me.

Swish.

They're basically

talking about dating, and they're just like speaking,

you know, just saying their exposition out loud.

Now, I'm the guy that doesn't think you should commit, and they're playing terrible basketball.

It's so good.

My other favorite scene is when you guys are sitting in the coffee shop, and

he's like, All right, I'm just on the phone, and you're like, Let me try, and you can't do it

when you're ordering the coffee, and it's the long thing.

We shot that in like

14 days.

Do you know who you have?

I know the whole movie.

It's so good.

Wait up, would would you?

That's my therapy.

Yeah, wait.

Hey, big brother, slow down.

Max Greenfield is so good.

Okay, so Jack had a question, which is,

which is so cute.

And so, Jack, but his question was like, what are y'all's conflict style?

Like, how do you, how do you figure out arguments?

Like, how do you

argue?

Some people like to

withdraw.

Some people like to tease.

Some people like to argue.

Like, how do you, what is your conflict style?

It's interesting.

I feel like it ends up being

some combination of two people are fighting.

The other is just sitting back, watching and observing.

That's usually how it is.

Or mediating.

Playing referee or mediating.

Or it's just like, go off.

Like, do your thing.

Let's figure it out.

Is anyone a yeller?

God, none of us are really yellers.

We can be like

defensive, reactive.

Anyone a punisher, like a silent treatment person?

Nick a bit.

a little bit yeah

i think that's really like a maybe i'm i think you're just trying to work through it work through it yeah not like i'm not doing it on purpose yeah you're just like i'm gonna go over here and work and then i'll come back yeah and we'll talk through it yeah and i'm reactive oh i've always been that way i try to work on it all eldest it's hard it's my life you know um

it's my struggle it's my struggle

so reactive thanks bonjo reactive like i i just snap back and i don't always mean what i'm well you have a tough job it's very hard thank you thank you i appreciate talking to you so much it's so nice someone

understand no i work on it it's but i also have a very i have anticipatory anxiety about things big word

yeah you're killing it on the words yeah you're all over the map yeah i'm right so you're thinking ahead that's because i would argue you're thinking ahead of like you're just wanting to make sure like um i'm gonna future trip so i can be safe in the future that's exactly right and i also i think through it in the negative okay because i'm like a little bit of a catastrophizer.

Yeah.

It's about what would happen if I said this and they're going to react this way and then I go this way.

It's like, it's that.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

So I'm dealing with it sometimes.

I love that.

Your joy.

The character.

Yeah.

I'm literally just, I'm like, you're saying this.

I'm like, oh my God.

Your joy.

He's like, this is a script.

Are you reading a script right now?

I'm feeling your anxiety.

You know, it's the whole way you broke that down, like, to protect yourself.

I'm like, this is the plot for Inside Out 2.

It's true.

It's so good.

It's so true.

It is so good.

Inside Out 2 is inside Out.

It's so good.

I watched it with my daughter and we're both crying for different reasons.

And so

that's why I was like, you're in all my favorite movies, including my Subway commercials that I love.

Thanks.

Thanks.

Let's give a shout out to Subway while we can, and we'd love for them to give us.

I literally heard it this morning.

Subway as in the same one.

I was saying, yeah.

I am

in New York Subway.

I heard it.

New York City Treasury.

I'm just trying to get the New York Subway up.

Yeah.

Give them a little bit of a.

Notoriety.

Yeah.

I heard you this morning as I got out of the shower.

I was like, like, I'm going to see her later.

But there is something about, I have two sons.

I think the relationship with brothers is really, like,

really beautiful and cool because exactly what we saw, we just see like in this hour is the way you gently tease each other, the way you kind of keep each other.

We got there.

I think, oh, sorry.

Yeah, no, please.

Just say we had a superstar mom, too.

So that, or we still do, but we.

Okay, what did she do?

She, I mean, four boys in one home.

She was the boss, you know there's just and and also understanding how to be nice guys

to women and uh

growing up just like i think we we needed a loud voice like her to be able to control us and also make sure that we weren't like piece of shit so yeah i think that was important but i think also like yeah brothers are boys are so different than girls

it's like i watch

like i'll watch my kids on the playground and i'm like it's like delicate and then this kid was like and there's a dive off the top of a slide.

And you're just like, that is a boy.

Yeah.

I mean, your frontal lobes close later.

I was just going to say that.

Yeah.

His is still workout.

But, but, yeah, I mean, what is the best?

I mean, I know you've been asked this a million times.

It is, and what is the best thing about working with your brother?

Like, being brothers, working together, what is the best part of it?

There is a built-in safety net that that

it's not to say you can't develop with friends and coworkers and all that,

but they need nothing from me.

I need nothing from them but just real connection and love and respect.

And

we're family, like we're blood.

So it's just, it hits different.

It makes every

high super high.

It makes every low a little easier to navigate.

And, you know, the mundane stuff in between becomes even more fun because you get to do it with two people that you you not only love and respect, but you genuinely have a good time with.

Yeah.

You know, so that's, that's my feeling.

That's nice.

I mean, I'm the same way.

Like I like to

fail or succeed with someone.

Yeah.

It is amazing.

So

last question.

What are you guys listening to, watching, reading,

playing that makes you laugh these days in these like very difficult times where life is pretty rough and the world is

hanging on by a thread.

What do you do to like check out or laugh or make yourself

I really enjoyed the Four Seasons show.

I liked that a lot.

I interviewed Will Forte

on this pod, which and

Tina, I think they're like, I love watching them together.

Okay.

Yeah, it was great.

I love it.

So like cozy, cozy shows.

Yeah, that's not comedy.

Always my, I mean, I love the studio.

I thought that was so funny.

The studio was great.

So funny.

It was so funny.

It was so good.

The last two episodes were

ridiculous.

The cast is insane.

The cast is

another level.

Oh my gosh.

It's incredible, too.

I've just been like, I restarted watching all of Nathan for you because I watched the rehearsal, which I think is just so brilliant and messed up and insane.

Yeah.

And he finds the most interesting people.

It's just so great.

Did you watch the new season?

Of rehearsal?

I'm watching it right now, the second season.

Okay, so so the woman that talks about it.

It gets me very stressed.

Oh, of course.

Yeah, I have.

It's just.

There's like a mirror neuron thing where I get like very nervous.

He just will keep asking questions and he knows what he's up to.

I was at a restaurant recently and he

I saw him and I when I see somebody that I really like, I think I love their work, I don't want to say hi, but I'll like, maybe can I send them a drink or maybe just whatever they're eating and whatever.

Can I send something?

And I don't need to say hi.

I'll sometimes try to leave before.

And I saw him.

I was like, oh my God, like, I love him.

I have to, like, I'm going to send him.

I sent him a drink, him and his friend.

And about 30 minutes later,

the waiter brought over a dollop of mayonnaise and handed it to me.

And they're like, this is from Nathan.

And I look over and he goes.

And he goes back to this.

And my friends are laughing so hard.

I'm like, guys, he wants, don't laugh.

He wants it so bad.

And he was really kind of, and he walked over and he's like, did you get my gift?

The waiter said that she went to the chef and was like, She's like, I think I may have put my job on the line because

I asked for a job of mad and the chef was so mad.

It's a pretty nice restaurant, was so mad.

She's like, Please, please.

She's like, But I think both of you are really great.

And I just was like, this will be a story I can use forever.

So, she did it.

She did.

I'm glad she.

I mean, have we learned nothing from the bear?

We need to give the customer what they want.

Correct.

Exactly.

Exactly.

Yes, chef.

Yes, chef.

And what about you, Kev?

What do you?

I am currently, me and my wife, we go through like long-form like sitcoms that have like 900 seasons.

We just start it as like feel good.

So we're in the middle of Big Bang Theory again.

Just so good.

I love a rewatch.

A simple rewatch.

It's a simple rewatch.

Yeah.

Okay.

I'm going to let you guys go.

You have to go to the next one.

This was so good.

Thank you so much.

Thank you so much.

That was really, really fun.

I love it.

It was just a blast.

Thank you so much for doing it.

What a good hang.

It was a good hang.

And thank you for singing with me.

And I feel refreshed.

Put that out as a single and you just

talk to your people about it.

All right.

Thanks, guys.

Thank you.

Bye.

Bye.

Thank you, Jonas Brothers.

That was so great.

Kevin, Joe, Nick, thank you for being here on a two-show day

and

letting us hang with you and watching you hang with each other.

You guys are a lot of fun, and I really enjoyed this episode.

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Okay, now it's time for the polar plunge.

We talked about

music and going to shows, and I just want to say again, if you're an artist putting your set list together, cut it in half.

We want the show to be shorter.

Yes, there are great artists who have three-hour bodies of work that we should go and see and support.

But for the most part, my favorite show is a fast one.

You know what I loved?

I went to the Hollywood Bowl a couple years ago in Los Angeles.

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The show was an hour and a half.

We all sat down the entire time.

And I sang all of his lyrics because he's easy to understand.

So thank you, Billy.

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thank you, Jonas Brothers, for

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