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Hello, everyone.

Welcome to another episode of Good Hang.

Oh, this is a good one.

We have comedy legend Kristen Wigg.

You may know Kristen from SNL, from Bridesmaids, from Barb and Star, from Pom Royale.

But we're going to talk about a lot of stuff today.

We're going to talk about working together on a show at the same time.

We're going to talk about Carol Burnett and how much we love Carol and everything she does.

We're going to talk about The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City and why I should start watching it immediately.

And we're going to talk about her new movie, Gabby's Dollhouse.

So that's out, and we're going to get into all of that good stuff.

But we always like to start our shows with someone that knows our guest and can speak well of our guests behind their back and can give me a question to ask our guests.

And we have another celeb.

I mean, another comedy great, another former SNL cast member

who I had the privilege to share the stage with, and that is Bill Hayter.

You all know Bill Hayter.

Barry, SNL.

What do I need to say?

You know, you know, Bill.

Bill?

Bill?

Can you hear me?

I'm going to get my cans on.

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How's it going?

It's going good.

I'm zooming you from the studio and

Wig is coming in today.

Thank you for doing this.

Oh, no problem.

Thanks for having me.

Of course.

I hope I can get you in the stew.

Oh, man, I'd love to.

How's life?

Life's good.

We're just like,

yeah just writing you know the girl you know hannah's you know 16 harper's 13.

haley's 11.

yeah they're great kids yeah just very sweet kids so very very very lucky i mean they play a lot of jokes my my 13 year old yesterday scared the shit out of me she sent me a uh I was in bed reading and she sent me a text and I looked at it and it was a picture from underneath my bed.

And I go,

and I hear under my bed.

I was like, fuck my dad.

She was underneath my bed.

I was like, what the fuck is wrong with you?

And she just was dying laughing.

She was like, oh my God.

All right.

Good night.

Good night.

Just scared me.

It was so creepy.

I was like, why'd you do that?

She was like, I don't know.

Just hid under my bed.

Because she's your child.

Yeah, my child.

Yeah, exactly.

Okay, so we're going to talk about Wig.

And, you know, I'm so, like, I'm getting ready for this interview today with her.

And it's like, I don't even know where to start with Kristen.

She's so good, so talented.

She's done so many things during SNL, after SNL.

Like she's had this incredible career on her own terms always.

I mean, you two have done so much incredible work together on the show and in Skeleton Twins, which is just beautiful work from the both of you.

And I guess.

How would you describe Kristen as a, you know, as a friend and a performer?

You know, Andy and I had started the show.

Jason was already kind of, but we were all kind of in the same,

we were freshmans all at the same time.

And then Kristen came in like three shows later.

So I remember going into our office and we were writing a Vincent Price sketch.

And I was kind of like, I've been here for three weeks.

So hey, newbie.

I know where the bathrooms are.

I know where the bathrooms are.

I know you have to change elevators at this floor.

And

I said,

hey, do you, we're writing this, you know, Vincent Price thing, you know, if you have any old character or something, you know, I was like, Amy's playing a cigarette girl.

Do you remember that?

We used Chesterfield cigarettes and you tap danced and

Fred's doing something.

And she went, oh, I'm, I'm a,

I could maybe do Judy Garland.

And I'm like, oh, that sound like.

And she went, maybe like, oh, you ever get the feeling that your hands are made out of sand?

and i went okay

so

you're really good

then i was like um never mind okay i didn't realize who i was talking to that's a really good line and the impression was like spot on yeah she's just so good at like

um

at knowing how what would work on the show too like just that's a perfect yes i always say like i don't know if you i felt like here's what the show likes here's what i like and i was trying to find this V Venn diagram and like her it was like the same diagram yeah it's like what she naturally found funny the show it just it worked on the show

and I watched her for seven years and at every table read I feel like she did something different yeah she's just such a crazy range yeah the range that's the word I'm looking for is I was like how did she how did she do that I know she played this Italian guy once I've never done the show but she played this Italian man once and he would just go oh yeah

And someone'd be like, I do.

And he's like, Oh, yeah, oh, baby, yeah.

And I was like, Where did you fucking get this?

You know, and you were just like, Where did that come from?

And she's like, I don't know, you know.

Um,

but she just kind of

it just felt very effortless to her in a way that I always really admired.

And I really admired, and again, you know, you, you, Maya, you guys are this way.

It was like before the shows, it was like focused, but cool as cucumbers, could go out, do the show, come back,

and, and just had this confidence.

And she had that as, you know, as well, you know?

Yeah, she really did.

She like, it felt like she entered the show a fully formed cast member ready to go.

Completely.

Yeah.

And she also, like, it's like made it look fun.

Yeah.

It wasn't there wasn't like a science to it.

There was nothing.

I don't know if this makes sense.

There was no like equational thing.

She was just being goofy.

Yes.

But it didn't seem disposable at the same time, though.

And that's really hard.

It was like, wow, that's a thing I'm going to remember.

And that was fun, but she's still just loose and having fun with it.

Yes, totally hear you.

That makes sense.

It's 100% the best way to summarize.

Like, I feel like when I was watching her do her sketches, I could sense her laughing about them the night before.

I remember she did a Penelope sketch,

and Liza Minelli was in it at the end.

And the Liza Minelli?

The Liza Minelli.

Yes, the Eliza.

And she, and the thing was, Penelope was always making things up.

And it was like, oh, I can't do that because I'm going out with Liza Minelli and a tomato tonight.

Right.

And

Liza Minelli showed up at the end.

And when Liza Minelli came out on stage and goes, hey, Penelope.

I just saw Kristen just tried so hard not to laugh.

It was like just hearing her go, hey, hey, and she had a tomato with her.

She's like, hey, Penelope, me and Tomato are excited to go out and down to Kristen.

She's like,

biting her lips.

Like, found it so funny.

Yes.

Another one I'll say real quick,

but the other one I remember was I was a game show host and a thing when Maya hosted and it came.

It was a game show.

She had written it with James.

And she was,

before the sketch even started on air, Kristen was looking at me and laughing really hard.

I didn't know why.

She was just laughing and shaking her head like, Your first line is so stupid.

And I was kind of like, I think I, yeah.

And then, and they had changed it between dress and air.

And my first line was to Vanessa Bayer, who is a contestant.

I go, Before we went to the break, you said, you said the answer to the question was beef.

I'm sorry, the correct answer was nine.

And as I was saying that, Kristen was like shaking her head and laughing like, I'm sorry, dude.

We couldn't think of anything else.

Like, that's what I think of her.

It's just like, she's just having fun.

Yes, yes.

So well said.

So well said.

Okay.

So do you have a question?

Do you think I should ask her?

Anything about anything?

It doesn't have to be about SNL or comedy, but anything that I could ask her on your behalf?

I'm just always curious if she was always that confident and that that ability.

Was it, was that a thing when she started groundlings, did she come in going like,

did she have, because as you said very well, she came in fully formed.

And I was like,

was it always that way?

Because she had such a confidence in her ideas.

Yes, yes.

That, that, that kind of, I remember asking her, I was like, how do you write this?

Like, how did you do that?

And she goes, I don't know.

I just think it and I do it, you know, so she just always had such a massive confidence in her ideas.

That's a good, really good way to put it.

That's a really good way to put it.

Orte was kind of that way, too.

Totally.

Would do a thing and you would go, what?

How did that, where did that come from?

And you know, that look in their eyes where they're like, it never occurred to them that that might be a crazy idea.

Yeah.

I'm like, my character has, remember, I was in a sketch of hers and I feel like a character, either I did or a character had pepperoni nipples, like nipples of pepperoni.

I was like, where'd you come up with that it was like looking at you like well we're on a sketch show

you know

i would take it too literally i don't know but yeah that would be a question i was like yeah where did that

was there ever a moment early days where it was that learned and honed or did that

did she just come out that's a great question Thanks, Bill.

I know Kristen's going to be so psyched.

We talked today.

Thank you so much for doing it.

All right.

Thanks, buddy.

Talk to you soon.

Bye.

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Hi, bud.

Thank you for doing this.

You know, I know you don't do a lot of interviews.

I feel very, I feel honored.

I mean, you know,

you do what you need to do for work.

Exactly.

But you, and, and you follow through with your obligations with that.

But you're not,

I do my job.

Yes.

Yes.

But you don't love to, you know,

you want to kind of keep your life private.

Yeah.

And like, if I'm promoting something, I'm happy to talk about that.

Sure.

But, you know, there's such a, the line is so blurred.

Now, I'm happy to discuss anything with you because you're my friend.

But, you know, I know.

It's, it's, when it's someone that you don't know and they're asking you certain personal things, you're a little bit like, I don't know.

I know.

And also, I learned something from you many years ago that I think about all the time, which is also, I mean, I, what I love about how you interact with your work is like, you put it out there, but you don't necessarily, you kind of just like put it out there and it's out there.

And then you get like, it is what it is.

But you don't.

I don't want to know.

I know.

And it's such a great, it's very healthy.

Because it doesn't matter.

I know.

I know.

It doesn't matter.

And actually, I remember Samberg telling me a long time ago, like during SNL, you can read a million reviews and you can quote the bad ones like word for word.

Like I can remember things people said about me.

Oh, yeah.

So I like I just

having this movie come out, this kid's movie, and I texted my publicist and I was like, don't send me anything.

Yeah.

I will probably call her at some point and say, did they hate it?

Right.

Do they like it?

But I don't want to be sent

because it just gets in your brain and it's not what your experience is.

Yeah, I don't know.

And I'm easily, I'm sensitive too.

That's probably the same.

And I, you said something to me that I think about all the time, which is I had like an evening where I was, or whatever, wore an outfit, felt good in it, had a good time, and then went home and saw the picture of it and just was like,

like just felt really sad.

And you were like, oh, I don't like, I don't do that.

I don't look at pictures after an event or something.

Like, I trust that where, you know, like, I just kind of like remember the feeling of it.

And I'm working with great people.

And I, when I head out the door, I feel good.

And I like, like, leave it at that.

And I think about it all the time because

bigger than like how we look, it's just like the idea of like the world weighing in on your mental health.

And then I got there because I would go and look.

And then I would just feel horrible.

I'm like, but wait, why do I feel bad?

I, I know.

I thought I liked it.

And then in my mind, I'm like, well, now did I?

I just, yeah.

I know.

So I think about you all the time when I do try, when I try not to look at pictures of myself.

But we are going to change our faces into cats for this.

Oh, great.

We're going to put cat filters.

I want filters.

Yeah, we're going to put, I'm going to have flames coming out.

We're going to be, it's going to be babies.

This is good hang babies.

And we're going to have

to.

I want to look 30 years younger, but naturally.

Yeah, incredible.

Just make it.

You look incredible.

And I do feel like you are like, I don't, I wouldn't consider you an introvert, but I do think you're probably more introverted than people would assume, right?

I would agree with that.

Do you think that happens?

People are often disappointed.

No, but it's true.

I think also because

our people know us, our origins into the public life is comedy.

So people think if you're at a dinner table and someone says, Kristen, tell that story.

And 14 people look at you, that's my nightmare.

I'm so bad at it.

I'm really bad.

And I was talking to my husband about it.

I was like, I'm really bad at like telling stories.

And he's like, yeah.

He's like, I've noticed.

You are.

And I was a little shocked, but then it made me realize that like, it's true.

I don't like that.

I don't, I'm not good at it.

Halfway through, I realize everyone's looking at me.

And then I'm like, how did this, how does this end?

I'm like, I'm not.

And some people are so good at it.

Oh, yeah.

And some people, when they go in to tell a story, they like settle in like, here we go, like a warm sweater.

And I'm in.

Don't stop because I don't want people to ask me to tell a story.

I know, because

it is like, I mean,

there's so much to talk to you about today.

And like, I don't even know where to start because there's so much good stuff to talk about.

I want to talk about groundlings and I want to talk about the beginnings of things because I feel like I don't think a lot of people know your beginnings of things.

Like, what were you like as a kid?

Were you,

you said that that you didn't know, you said you had no like big plans to be an actor or a performer at all.

No.

No.

I mean, I, I would like watch movies and be like, oh, yeah, I want to do that.

But I think that's like everybody wanted to.

Were you ever like in a school play or, or, you know?

No.

I mean, I an attention seeker in any way.

I think maybe a little bit just from

like my parents getting divorced and being like, I'm going to cause trouble.

Oh, you became a little bit of a troublemaker.

Yes, I did.

I did.

And I don't know if that turned into like, but you caused a little problem.

I did.

And I'm not bragging about it.

I feel terrible.

So you know that I'm a parent.

But what kind of, can you share any of that?

I mean, I was, it got detention a lot.

I was suspended a handful of times.

I didn't police come to my house for like a prank, prank phone calling stuff.

Okay.

But still, they came.

Yeah.

and that was scary but i was i think because and i and i i'm bringing it back to like parents divorce which don't turn this off it's gonna be funny um

uh

it really affected my life yeah and i think

I went into like my friend group, which I think happens a lot, where if things are like uncertain at home, like your friends become your family.

And I was just always with my friends and always sleeping over at other people's houses.

And some of the people I was hanging out with were like

troublemakers, I guess.

And I just kind of like got in with a little bit of the wrong crowd, I think, young.

And then I moved when my mom moved to Rochester and I moved with her.

And at the time, I was like, I don't want to move.

These are my friends.

But thank God.

That like saved my life.

Yeah.

It really saved my life.

It is true, like, especially now that you have kids, you know, and we know that like

it that whoever you're around the proximity of who you're around can really dictate what kind of choices you make yeah i know and it's hard as a parent to like i mean my kids are five so i'm not i can't totally but even when my kids were five you'd see other five-year-olds you'd be like you gotta stay away from them i know you're like do you really want to have a play date with them really

no

are you sure i don't know i know they seem nice but

and then you just pick up you just hold the phone upside down and you're like i just called their mom and they're not home they've moved They'll be at school Monday.

Their mom said no more playdays.

Okay, so you, but where do you grow up?

Where's Hamilton?

I was in before Russian, Lancaster, Pennsylvania.

Right.

And then Russian.

So Tomish town.

Yeah.

Which also probably added to a little bit of the mischief.

Like, yeah, because there wasn't a lot to do.

Yeah.

I was like playing to play in down at the creek.

Like running through the cornfields.

I really was.

But yeah, I don't know.

I don't know if it's the place or just

who who i was hanging out with i don't know yeah and then is it really true that a psychic told you that you were

just clarify this story okay is that a fake story because fake news it's not totally fake

um i'll give you like the short version but i i was living in arizona i was going to school there i was at the university of arizona in tucson and i did not really want to be there.

And I just felt like I was supposed to be

somewhere else.

I was an art major and I just, I wasn't like, I wasn't connecting with something.

I did take an acting class.

It was like acting 101.

I think that's what it was called.

And I was terrified to do it because I hated speaking in front of the class.

Like would skip school, which is always the worst thing because then you have to come back on a different day and do the book report when everyone else is like, we did this last week.

It's just even more awkward.

But I hated speaking in front of the class.

Like I would just get anxiety.

So I didn't want to take this class.

I took it.

I loved it.

And I was like, I don't want to be here.

I'm not supposed to be here.

And I do have this theory that if you ask yourself questions in the mirror, you cannot lie to yourself.

And it's very

like looking in the mirror and just being like, where,

what do you want to do?

And it was like, I want to move to LA and try to be an actor.

And that had kind of never

come out of my mouth before.

It just seemed like something so

far.

I'm not, it just didn't seem like anything that would ever happen.

So.

And at this time in Arizona, I was like, you know, going to like spiritual bookstores as we do in our 20s.

Getting crystals.

Oh my God, pendulum.

So tear out.

Like I was like really in like a nice, like healthy way.

Yeah.

And I wasn't like doing voodoo or anything.

And I went into this bookstore and there was a sign that was like,

I swear it said like psychic mic.

It was like a dollar a minute.

And I was like, I'm going to go see that guy.

And I went in and I sat down and he was like, oh, give me your ring.

And he was like holding my ring.

And he was like, he's like, what are you doing here?

He's like, why are you here?

He's like, you should have been in LA like a year ago.

No way.

Just out of

my life.

Love it.

He could have said that to every person that walked in the street.

He's like, what are you doing here?

That's what he says to every person.

And you're just like, because no one knows.

You don't go into a psychic because you know what you're doing.

Right, exactly.

But I

like went home and packed up my car.

What?

And my, because my roommate at the time lived in LA.

And I was like, can I come stay with you?

Didn't tell my parents.

Packed up my car.

Bad girl.

Drugged my cat.

Drove to LA

and just

quit.

Quit school.

Quit school.

Dang, you are a rebel, Wig.

Yes, you're a rebel.

I think it was very,

I think because I knew someone.

Sure.

It was less scary.

But yeah, to like

get an apartment and got a job.

I mean, back then it was you only needed to know like one person to make a humongous career and life change.

It was like, I'll just go.

Same thing with me.

I knew someone who had graduated from college who was my old roommate who's living in Chicago.

So I was like, all right, I'll just move to Chicago.

Like she's there.

Like that's all you needed was one person.

And we didn't have like phones

or anything like that.

We just drove.

We just drove with like a map and a cat and a map.

And we were just like, and then we just looked at, and then the signs were just arrows yeah it just said hollywood yeah

it just said successing town and you just and you pulled up so you go to groundlings what year do you get in groundlings what year do you start groundlings i i waited a couple years because once i got to la i was like

i've never acted before

oh so you didn't start right i was like what this town is full of Every person here is trying to do that.

And I, I got freaked out and I worked at like a hot dog restaurant and then I worked at anthropology.

And I was like doing all these like odd jobs.

And then

a friend of mine that I was working for when I was doing like painting, I'd had a million jobs.

He was like, have you ever been to the Groundlings?

And I was like, no, what is it?

And he's like, you should go.

He's like, I just think you like it.

And yeah, that first show, I'd never seen improv, I'd never seen like live sketch, but it was like Jen Coolidge,

Michael Hitchcock.

And I was just like, this is what I want to do.

Wow.

Yeah.

This is it.

Oh my God.

They're just making stuff up.

I was like, I don't have to like read and say a line a certain way that's like right or wrong.

I could just like do that.

And it was like nine, it was that, it was the 90s.

So you're doing sketch and improv and like, like everybody like hoping to get on SNL.

Yeah.

Just like that was the goal.

Yeah.

Was like, and you're watching people go and get on SNL.

Yeah.

And then Mad TV came out.

Yeah.

That was the thing.

And a lot of people were auditioning for that.

Right.

Right.

Because that was happening out here.

I remember there was that time when it was like, you can audition for Mad TV and SNL.

Like, you like, it was very like one or the other.

Like, choose now.

And it was like, babe, no one's offering me either job.

You're like having imaginary conversations in your head about like, if Mad TV asks, I'm going to say no.

It's like, they're not asking.

Well,

wait, did you do sketch in college?

Yeah, I did like improv and like an improv group in college.

And we did like sketches at the end of the show.

And it was, and you know, it was, I loved my improv group.

It was called My Mother's Fleabag, which is like, sure.

And,

you know, I love an improv group name.

And my mother's flea bag had been around forever, you know, and we had, it was like a little frat for like a little nerdy frat or swirty.

And we had all these rituals and customs.

And at the end of our show, we would go, it's, it's it's my mother's fleabag like as if it was like live from you know like we were doing some like version of SNL and we would do sketches and improv oh that's so cute but you didn't do any sketch or improv in um University of Arizona no no no no no

amazing so then

you go can you I mean

your audition for SNL

is, it is weird to like have auditions out in the world.

I don't know if, did you watch any of the 50th stuff when they were showing?

I haven't watched.

See, I don't watch anything, and I've never seen my audition.

I never want to ever see it because I did too.

Okay, you auditioned, and then what happened?

Well,

okay, you auditioned once, and then you got it, and you turned it down, turned it down because Mad TV was coming back.

No, I uh

I auditioned and then I didn't hear anything, and then the season started, and then you were like, I'm not on, okay, I'm not there,

And then,

oh, wait, no, how did it go?

Maybe, no, no, maybe that's wrong.

I auditioned.

No, that's not right.

I auditioned,

didn't hear anything.

Then they asked me to audition again.

And I was like, I did everything.

Oh, I was, oh, that's a nightmare.

Okay.

I don't even know what was in that second audition.

And then,

and then I didn't hear anything.

And then the season started.

And that's when I was like, I didn't get it.

No, but then they called me and they were like, can you,

we'd love, we have a spot for you.

Whatever.

I forget.

Can you come in like two weeks?

I'm finding that out that they hired you after the season had started.

Yeah, you guys had done three shows.

And then they were like, come watch.

I literally got there on like a Friday.

I came and I watched Lance Armstrong's show.

And then comedian, comedy's Lance Armstrong.

But I remember being like, what?

Because to watch a show from the floor, no matter what, is intense.

But knowing that I was starting on Monday and nobody

knew because nobody told anyone about it.

SNL is like notoriously not good at onboarding.

No, no.

They're not good at onboarding.

And then I just showed up on Monday.

But yeah.

But I do remember going to the party and going outside and calling my friend and like sobbing because i was like what

i was so overwhelmed i didn't like know anybody and i'm like in i was like in new york you know what i mean i didn't i didn't know the city and i was so scared yeah because i knew no matter what i was gonna be on

and i just didn't know what like how do you get there from never even being on the floor Yeah, to like eight days later or whatever, like being on the show.

I mean, the only thing I can compare it it to, and I know it sounds kind of cheesy, but it feels like it is like an emergency room where someone's like, you're going to have to save people's lives.

Just watch what we're doing now.

Like, that was how it felt.

You were like, and again, it's not saving people's lives what we did, but like, it's like this really well-run emergency room where everyone knows what they're doing and they have a part, and you're just like in everyone's way.

I do need a scalpel.

No, totally, totally.

And they're like, you have to know how to do this.

Like, no one's going to teach you.

Yeah.

Or like, you know, we have a meeting in 10 minutes.

It's like, no no

no one told me

did that happen when you were there oh my god i mean i started at 9-11 so they were that was your first show that's right

when when when when

the cut to commercial when rudy giuliani

yeah you can go go to this camera just cut a commercial um yeah when rudy giuliani said like why be funny and lauren

lauren said can we be funny and rudy giuliani said why Why start now?

And the first responders were on stage.

That was my first show.

And it was like, and everyone was like, I think comedy's over.

And, and, you know, but here.

And here's what I'm saying.

And I remember thinking, well, maybe it's like, hang in there for six more months so I can just tell my parents that I did this show.

Yeah, that was, and that was,

and talk about no, no, not,

no one told you where the meeting was, but people were like fleeing the building

because there was anthrax in it.

So

there was anthrax sent to

30 Rock.

And like two or three weeks in, people were running out of the building.

And I was like, where's everyone going?

And they're like, we're leaving because there's anthrax in the building.

I was like, so we should go.

We should leave then.

I don't want to get in trouble.

So yeah, so you and I both had.

It's so, there was no, you know, there was obviously Shoemaker being one of them, like great producers who took us aside and said, like,

make sure you do this, whatever.

But it was, you were really thrown to the wolves, which I guess is kind of like how the show is.

And I think that's why it's great.

Yeah.

I know.

But, but, Wig, from the minute you started, and I did watch your audition, and it's so good.

And it's, it's every single character.

Oh, I think every single character in your audition ends up being a fully realized character on the show, which is amazing.

I don't, that can't be true.

I think it's true.

And you're so, like, you arrive at that show, in my opinion, ready and confident to try what is the job, which is like to try your dumb ideas.

Do you think it was the, it was, it was groundlings that got you ready for that?

Like, do you think that's what?

I think groundlings helped me realize what I do and my voice like as a writer and as a performer.

So I was kind of like, I'm going to do that.

And if that doesn't work, then I know

I'm not going to like work here.

So I remember that first

like Tuesday, no, Wednesday

read through.

Yeah.

My God.

I was like, if they don't get it, like this, this is where I know if like

it doesn't translate beyond that theater on Melrose and that like I'm in a different place.

Do you know what I mean?

Yes, but that's that's you know, okay, so we do this thing on the show where we talk to, we talk well behind people's backs.

We talked to Bill Hater today.

Yes.

And your, your brother.

And,

and, and Hayter

and I were talking about you and how great you are.

And we were saying that there's this feeling that we always got from you, which is exactly that, which is like you were putting up stuff that made you laugh.

And you were like, well, this is what I enjoy.

It was, you know, there wasn't that feeling of like, let me try to get something that might get on, or let me try to get something that might please the host or whatever.

It was always like your

confidence in your idea.

And his question for you is the one that like, I feel like I'm asking right now, which is like, when,

how did you get the confidence in your own ideas?

Where did it come from?

I,

it's weird because I don't don't see it as confidence.

I think

I just kind of, I don't know, I'm just talking.

I've never really answered this, but I think I kind of wanted to know where I was in the world as far as like my

point of view.

And like the more I would put up

that I thought was funny, the more I could kind of like

hone what what kind of works and what doesn't.

Does that make sense?

Yeah, but I do remember Forte telling me once in his office,

me saying

something like, I don't know if Lorne would like this.

And he was like, don't do that.

He's like, never write for if you think someone else is going to think this is funny.

He's like, write if like you think it's funny.

And I like, I always carried that with me.

I mean, you and Will Forte share that.

You guys both share that feeling of like, when it comes from either one of you, there's no doubt that the two of you have been laughing about it.

And like, like, you find it defiant to just die a slow death.

But I love those times too.

Like, same.

Writing those, I remember you and I wrote something that to this day, like, James and I quote when we were like performers in like a cafe.

Oh, and it died a terrible death.

And I remember we were like describing

the way someone looked as a pencil because they had a yellow outfit on and like a pink hat or something.

We just said they looked like a pencil.

I don't know.

Well, it didn't work every day.

Maybe the way James, but there was something about it that when you're doing it and you know that little moment where like, this is the little hook where the audience laughs.

And when they don't, and you have like four more minutes.

Oh, I know.

It's exquisite though.

It's, oh, it's like a sweat that if you get through the fever of it, then you feel like you, your immune system is like stronger.

Also, you were seeing your heroes.

I'm sorry for me, you included.

Everyone's doing

their best, and everyone has stuff.

Sometimes it doesn't work.

Yeah.

And you're like, oh, okay.

This happens to everybody.

Yeah.

But the cool thing about it is when you show up and there's like 50 sketches to read,

people, people think that they're going to work and you just never know.

I know.

It's so weird.

So much of your stuff worked.

Like, crush.

I mean, it's like, okay, well, you've talked about this and I've heard you talk about it and really made me laugh.

For the first sketch you were in at SNL

was when

you,

right?

Yeah.

We're pregnant in the butt.

My character was pregnant.

Your character.

But it's funny because back it up even to like my first pitch because that was JB smooth.

Right.

The great writer performer JB Smooth.

The great everything.

Yeah.

The best pitcher.

Incredible.

And he pitched this thing where you were pregnant in the butt and everyone was laughing.

And I didn't know that like he's like, he just does like funny pitches.

Right.

And he wrote it.

I think

he often, he often, JB, I think you often pitch stuff that maybe you weren't going to write.

Yes, you know what I mean?

Always pitched stuff I wasn't going to write.

That was kind of the thing on Monday night, you would be like, um, and you just kind of bullshit your way to get a laugh.

And then you'd be like, okay, okay, and now I really have to buckle down.

But I think because the response was so funny, JB was like, I should write, I got to write that.

That's the other thing.

And you're like, oh, I wasn't really going to write that thing.

Yeah.

It was my very first sketch.

Jason Lee.

Jason Lee was like...

Foo Foo Fighters.

Yes.

Foo Fighters.

Foo Foo Fighters.

I did say that because I was like, Foo Fighters.

I'm so happy.

That was my first sketch.

That was your first sketch.

And do you remember the first, like, I mean, the first character, you have so many, but do you remember the first one that was a recurring that you thought was it target lady like where you felt like oh i'm gonna get to do this again like i have some kind of i don't know i know it might was it a holes with sudakis

it was either a holes or target lady yeah i mean for people who don't remember um

you know kristen has done so many characters i mean we could talk about them all day but There was a, there was Target Lady who was, of course, very, very excited about things getting improved.

Yes.

And it had an incredible haircut.

Great wigs.

Thank you.

Incredible wig.

And then another great wig, and another character was A-Holes, which is Sudakis, Jason Sudakis, and you, and you guys were kind of like

just like the worst people to show up anywhere.

Yep.

Yeah.

And you did a great move where you would play with your hair and chew gum.

Real simple.

So there you are.

You're at SNL, crushing it.

Bridesmaids comes out.

Bridesmaids comes out while you're on the show.

Yes.

I don't think people understand that.

I mean, I don't think I did either.

The timeline of that, you were still on the show when the gigantic,

incredible explosion that is Bridesmaids happens and you're still,

and you know, a lot of people have to kind of launch and then figure out their

way after they leave the show.

You're kind of having this moment while you're still having a full-time job on the show.

What was that like?

Was it hard to balance like going back and forth or shooting or press or any of that stuff?

Or do you remember it being kind of smooth?

I don't really think I knew how well it was doing until like later.

Yeah.

Until I was off the show.

Yeah.

You had some more perspective on it?

I think so.

And you and Annie Mamalo, who wrote it together, like, did you guys get to have a moment where you said, looked at each other and said, like, holy shit.

Later.

Yeah.

Because I remember after opening weekend, they were like,

well, we tried.

And we were like, sorry.

Really?

Why?

Yeah.

Because, you know, opening weekend was always the thing.

It was a comedy and it didn't make a certain thing.

And we were like, oh, well,

okay.

We just thought like, that was it.

Wow.

And then I think just more and more people kept seeing it.

And then it was a grower.

And it was happening later.

Yeah, it was a grower.

Wow.

That's so cool.

I mean, it's still, we talk, we're talking about stuff from 20 years ago, but it still remains.

a lot of people's favorite comedy.

And it's still a spec for what it looks like to have like a bunch of women in a film together, writing their own material like like what a hard

well done

mostly female comic like it's still such a superior piece of work quig thank you amy

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There's so many funny characters that I want to talk about, but I won't embarrass you by going through them.

But I've said this to you before.

My favorite character is the surprise lady.

That's one of my favorites.

I love her.

I love her for a million reasons.

I love her because

the way you play her is so funny.

I love her wig, fantastic wig.

Oh, always at a turtleneck.

Always.

Well, she had to hide in it.

She had to hide in it.

That's right.

That's right.

Did you?

Did you write it was in the script that we like that we pulled it over?

Yes.

And when I say that was one of my favorites, that comes from doing it.

Yeah.

Like I

like being, I like being in a sketch where

there's a lot of people and there are moments where everyone is looking around.

Like what is going on?

I love that moment.

I love a cut to Keenan.

Just

like, we got to get out of here.

Like this is the same thing.

This side is nice.

That's my favorite thing.

That actually would be a really good way to sum up a lot of your characters.

Yeah,

most of my sketches, if you go back and look, like, no, you've got to cut to people being weirded out by me to remind the audience that.

But why I love the surprise lady so much is because there's a lot of wig in it, I think, because she is nervous but excited

and she

loves a party

and she cannot

wait to deliver that good news.

She can't wait.

And the physicality of her and the way

so funny god i just watch clips of it all the time

yes

i love it so much it's so funny and stupid funny and stupid yes which is the best which we know is the highest praise in comedy agree like the the more people go oh

oh that's so dumb that's so dumb and you're like yay i did it

okay speaking of like hilarious funny and physical, can you just talk for a minute about what it's like to work with Carol, Burnett?

On

your season is coming out.

Season two is coming out in November.

Okay.

Yes.

Pom Royale.

So many things I could say about Carol.

When I met her, I just fully cried.

And I was not expecting it.

And I don't, that is never, except for when my kids were born and I saw them and I cried.

I can't remember a time

when I just, I didn't think I was going to cry.

And then they just, just it just like burst out of my eyes I wasn't expecting it

I I watched her as a kid there's uh she's as you know she's just the greatest person she was very important to us yes so important to us and the fact that she just did it

as a woman yeah during that time and so many people said no it makes perfect sense that you guys were working together because you definitely have i mean you have that thing that she has,

which is you're able to enter a scene and just dominate in that way in a hilarious, joyful,

and confident way, but you also like tiny, small, and grounded things too.

I think you have a lot of other interests too.

Yes.

Like I actually think you like,

for people who don't know, you're, you, you're an artist, you love to, and you're a musician.

What's your relationship to music and singing and making music?

Well, music is definitely the thing that i need to create anything else like if i'm gonna draw i have to have music on or if i'm writing something it's always to like music that i am picturing will be in this part of the thing i think it like opens up that part of my brain

that

allows me to go in and be like what do you really think because if i just sit there I think like, oh, what will they think?

Does that make sense?

Yeah, for sure.

and then, I mean, I've always sang, like, I sang in, like, you know, the choir when I was a kid.

Have you ever thought about wanting to sing?

Yeah, sing, sing.

Yeah.

Like, I mean, you do sing, sing, but like, but I would love to do like a help, not like a

record, record records.

I would love to do that.

You should.

You should.

But I don't even know how to like get started.

Just this just, you just can you weigh in on a comments on this?

How does Kristen get started?

Get into the music business.

It also feels like you could do, you could dip your toe into some version of it where it didn't have to feel so like.

Yeah, like a thing.

Yeah, like you could join someone's band.

Whose band should you join?

Again, weigh in if you've got a band.

Just take them in a new direction.

Just quieter.

Just a little bit quieter.

Just calling them up, music, guys.

I know you have your thing.

And your thing works great.

You've been doing it a long time.

And we think.

What if you change it?

And your fans would love to sit down.

And I've got the music for it.

Your fans would love to put their arms down.

Do you go to still go to rock shows anymore?

Because when we were young and out and about, we did it up.

We did it up.

That's why those honestly the best years of my life.

Like being in New York and on weekend.

And being young and

we did it up.

And now I do not do it.

no

don't do it the thought of going to a concert the thought of getting ready to go out at 11 o'clock which is what I used to do oh my god never

you mentioned I go out to dinner with my friends at six o'clock okay let's talk about sleep p.m

because I want to be home love to eat dinner at 6 p.m.

me too what's your ideal bedtime well you mean sleep or get in the bed great question because those are different from ours

um i would say

what is your ideal time to be in bed?

When do you try to get in bed?

8.30, 9 o'clock.

Love it.

Asleep by 10,

10.30.

Yeah.

Because I do like waking up early.

Yes.

When everyone else is asleep so I can have my little quiet time.

Yeah, because you have little ones and you have to kind of get ready for that because morning is intense.

Morning's tough.

Yeah.

Now that I have teenagers, it's really funny.

Now, like,

my mornings are, I have five hours before people wake up.

I'm like, it's 10:30.

Yes, you have to get up.

Yeah.

But don't they say it's like a brain thing?

Yeah, she has to let them sleep.

A teenager wrote that.

It's like, mom, here, I heard it was a brain thing.

It's a business article.

I'm supposed to sleep.

The scientist said.

Okay.

We're going to get to Gabby's Dollhouse, which just came out.

Okay.

So cute.

Is it fun to play a villain?

You've played it?

I know.

That character looks so funny and fun.

Well, my kids love Gabby Stahlhouse.

Okay.

And so

I knew that this was going to be, this was going to go a long way for me at home.

Yeah.

And then the script happened to be really cute and Ryan Crago, the director's dream.

Awesome.

Yeah, and it was just really fun.

And we had the premiere on Saturday.

And I got like a little emotional watching it because

it's so positive.

It is so,

it's got such a great message.

And you know, when you're in a theater,

just with other people having the same experience, and like you're just completely blocked out from what's going on in the world, there was just something so like, oh, this is going to go out in the world.

And it's like really nice.

Yeah.

I feel you, man.

It's like the world is rough right now.

And it's like anything that's like some kind of like funny or peaceful, or I guess just like anything that just can like take you you away.

I can't do anything dark right now.

No, no, I can't.

It's already, everything is already so dark.

I mean, that's why I ask my guests this, and I'll ask you this: is like, what, what's making you laugh?

Like, I'm asking people all the time, like, what do you, what do you watch on?

We gotta fly.

We gotta fly.

Uh-oh, we gotta fly.

Let's get it.

I was told there'd be no flies in here.

I had a sweet before I got here.

I have a fake, I have fake.

I have fake bread that has a quarter in it.

Let's see if we can catch the fly.

Why is there a quarter?

I don't know.

I think.

Because you need to have something in there, right?

Yeah, it's a fake or bad for the and then it's ceramic.

And yeah, there's just change in it.

Do you have that thing sometimes where you feel bad for inanimate objects?

Yes, so do I.

Have you seen Julio Torres's stuff?

He does a bunch of stuff about with inanimate objects.

He's a stand-up.

He's hilarious.

I imagine that's like a thing.

And it is a very

where I look at things and I feel like, oh, he's lonely.

Yes.

Yeah, I do.

What happens to me?

Yeah.

How does it manifest for you?

How do you see it?

I remember so specifically, I was in the bathroom.

And you know how you have like, it's like a pill thing.

And maybe it's like, I don't know if it was like allergy pills and you pop them through and there's like two, right?

And I needed two, but there was one.

left over.

And so I grabbed that one and then one from the other one.

And my dad was like, why didn't you just get two from this one?

I was like, well, that one's been by itself for so long.

And I feel like he thought that was cute, but I wonder if he was like, oh, no.

And I remember thinking, well, clearly I wouldn't just, these two have been together the whole time.

This one's been by itself.

Now I sound crazy.

No, I completely relate.

Like, like when you're a kid, stuffed animals, like you have to like make sure that like they can breathe.

Why are you laughing?

Yes.

Okay.

And I often rotate because I think, well, you've had a good view for a while.

And this one has been back.

I feel bad.

and I'm like, oh, this one has been behind the other one or in a drawer.

And I'm like, that one has been in the dark for too long.

Yes.

I totally do that.

Okay, me too.

And same with just random objects.

And I wonder if there is some kind of like

what's the we're anthropomorphizing things.

We're making them feel like they're human, but there must be some kind of connection to like our or maybe we don't want to be left alone.

Cut to commercial.

Cut to commercial.

Cut to a slow commercial.

Is that lip gloss?

Cut to a sad lip gloss commercial.

Do you know how much money a makeup?

That would be so smart.

That would be smart.

Just having people put their makeup on, but everyone's sad.

And they're crying.

Because people will be like, did you see that commercial?

You're right.

That's a great idea.

Happy, like putting on their makeup.

What if people are just bombed out?

You're so right.

If they're putting on an ocean, tears are coming down and they'd be like, I remember that.

I'm buying that.

Or they come home after a long night and they're like, they throw up and then they put their makeup back on.

Yes, and then they put it back on.

You're so right.

Yeah.

Clinique.

So what are you listening to, watching?

Do you watch comedy?

And no.

I know.

It's hard, right?

I can't do it.

It's hard.

I have a hard time watching,

it's not hard, but as a kid, I think what made me fall in love

with TV and film is that I would get completely lost in it.

Now I'm like, oh, they shot this at night.

Did they eat before?

Like, is this the beginning of the night shoot?

You know what I mean?

His hair is different.

Oh, his hair is different.

They shot this out of order.

I noticed that stuff and it drives me insane.

Me too.

And my kids sometimes, you know, I'll be like, this isn't in Canada.

They'll be like, mom.

I'm like, oh, it's not Canada.

I totally noticed that too.

The trees, and they're just like, mom, stop.

They totally do that too.

Okay, so

I do watch reality.

Ooh, and I'm not ashamed.

You shouldn't be.

Oh, I'm a Bravo gal for sure.

Okay,

who are you?

Have you done Andy Cookman and talked about Watch Man?

Have you done that and talked about the housewife?

Who are your faves?

Who do you love?

So many.

I mean, there's, it depends.

Like different cities have different, I'm, I'm about to, Salt Lake just started.

A new, a new season.

Yes, a new season of Salt Lake, which is one of my favorite,

I believe.

Jenna just said, uh-huh.

What makes Salt Lake so good for people like myself that don't know?

It's just

bonkers.

Great.

Everything that makes

the fashion,

what the ladies, they're just,

I love it so much.

I have noticed like at night, it probably isn't the best thing to watch before I go to sleep.

Because it gives you night air.

It's because of the yelling and the brightness.

Yeah.

Like all the things you're not supposed to have before you go to sleep.

Right.

The yelling and the brightness.

But I love, I love watching non-acting.

Yes.

It helps my brain not, it helps me.

turn it off a little bit.

Now, I get a little embarrassed for people and stressed for them.

Watching

reality.

Oh, reality, yes.

Oh, I, yes.

But, but what is it about watching non-acting that like relaxes you?

Because I've heard that quite a bit from people who watch it.

It's like, it's weirdly relaxing, even though there's like conflict and all that stuff.

Can you, do you know why?

Well,

I think with acting, you're watching someone who has looked at a scene, studied a scene.

They're doing the scene.

They've edited it.

It's the best version.

There's effort there.

There's so many people working on it.

And then with reality, it's just like this just happened.

These two people were talking, and this lady said that thing.

And oh my God.

And I just, I don't know.

I like just being out in the world and seeing these people

hang around and just their parties and their outfit.

There's so many parties.

I love these women so much.

They are my favorite.

Can we watch a clip from Salt Lake that you would,

if you were to tell me, if I've never, I've never watched Salt Lake.

Oh, oh my God.

I know this is hard, but what would be one i guess maybe jen is also winning what about when when the the van when jen shaw gets i would say

jen shaw yes sprinter van sprinter van you can't just write sprinter van because you will get every franchise

we're always in a sprinter van okay both point i genuinely don't know what i'm gonna see here

should i give you some context please please so jen shaw is currently right or did she get out and incarcerated

she's incarcerated okay incarcerated okay with elizabeth holmes they're in the same and they're buddies one can hove one can hove um

they were going on a trip

and the fbi

said there's so much exciting

because

this is what i'm taking my time up to talk about um i love it the fbi was raiding her i'm just looking at you jenna raiding her house yeah so she like didn't show up and it's the all the girls on the van realizing

what is happening I'm not selling it as well you have to

so here okay when the FBI shows up

yeah maybe that's it

there's a couple here

but the police are looking for oh but it's when she's on oh this is what it is she's on the van she's in and she's like oh

Okay, she finds out.

And she leaves saying that her husband's in the hospital?

Oh, is that the clip where she goes on a long rant about my husband's in the hospital?

No, that's not Gen Shaw.

Okay, um, okay, here we go.

Let's see what this is.

This is incredible.

What if she's on the run?

Like, get her a head start.

Yeah, that's true.

I don't want to call me.

What place doctors showed up looking for Jensha?

They're all on the phone.

But thanks, Levy.

Wait, you think, call Sharif.

you think she got a kick-off call that this was after she left all right um

okay they're all on the phone in the sprinter van all with sunglasses on i'm just gonna message her no one's taking their sunglasses off amy this is that was one minute okay of an entire episode almost i can't recommend it enough i gotta tell you when you explain it it does sound fun i mean

There is something about Real Housewives, which is like, if you didn't get on board, it's like, I don't even know where to start.

I can tell you what season to start with any city because there are seasons to miss.

Okay, okay, that's good to know.

I wouldn't mind that because I have heard, I mean, Las Culturistas, Boeing, they're obsessed.

Yes.

And they talk a lot about Salt Lake.

Yes.

And I do feel like now might be the time to start if there's a new season starting.

If you have 3,000 hours to kill.

Now is the time.

Now's the time.

You know, the holidays are coming.

You're going to be all smuggled in there.

But I kind of get it.

It's like with the world being like, so there's so much like that, these stakes are relatively, I mean,

she did go to jail.

She did.

She went to jail.

And not one person took their sunglasses off the whole time.

Oh, Amy, they can't.

Amazing.

Amazing.

Oh, my God.

I love you.

I love you, Wig.

I'm so grateful you came and did this.

I hope you're having a good time.

I had the best time.

Is it over?

Is there anything I've, I asked you about Hater?

Is there anything else we need to ask?

And thank you to Bill for telling us.

That was really sweet.

Sweet, Bill.

I know.

Love that guy.

I know.

And you guys are so good in skeleton twins, by the way.

What a great.

I mean, so many, you've done so many great things.

Like, but

the way in which you naturally, like, it's just very brother-sister stuff there.

Totally.

It's so natural there.

Yeah.

Do you believe in past lives before we go?

Yes.

You do?

Oh, my God.

Yes.

And do you feel like there are people in your life that you've known before?

Oh, yeah, hopefully.

I think, especially people in your inner circle have been there before, yes, for sure.

Yes, I do too.

Like, you meet someone, and there is something about you and Bill in that film that feels very familial.

I love that,

maybe.

Yeah, I wonder.

I wonder.

I believe in all that stuff.

You do.

What's the most woo-woo thing you believe in?

Do you believe in?

probably do.

Do you believe in ghosts?

Yes.

Have you seen a ghost?

No, I haven't seen one, but I've felt them.

There have been times when I've gone into, I can, when I go into a place, sometimes I can feel the energy.

Especially if like maybe someone died there.

Do you believe in astral projection, like people visiting each other in dreams?

Yes.

You do?

Yes.

My great aunt visited me in a dream after she died.

Whoa.

Yes, totally.

What was that like?

What was I woke up and I sobbed and I was like 14, but I knew

she was there.

Wow.

Yeah.

Wow.

I believe in all that stuff.

I know.

What do we know?

What do we know?

I know.

I'm trying to be.

Much of it is like science-based.

Yeah.

I'm trying to be more open.

And that's actually a goal of mine is like to try to be like less of a detective when it comes to that stuff and just kind of like open it up into my life.

I don't want any ghosts.

I don't want to.

I don't want to have anything to do with

them.

I just don't want to see them.

No.

I have had my house ghostbusted though.

Yes.

A professional ghostbuster?

Online, yes.

Okay.

Online.

No, my friend had her house

ghostbusted.

And she was telling the story.

She's like, I don't know.

I call her.

She lives in New Mexico.

I was like, that's crazy.

What's her number?

Because she told me things that had happened after post-bust.

And I was like, oh, this is interesting.

And we've learned from Psychic Mike that you will pack up if somebody tells you to pack up.

We'll get out of there.

And

I did it.

And I swear to God, my house felt different.

She did it online.

I love her, though.

That's great.

I love you, Wayne.

Thanks for doing this.

It's been fun so much.

You did it.

Thank you.

Thank you so much, Kristen.

You are awesome.

You just, it was so fun to have you here.

And like, I really do count myself lucky that I got to be on the same timeline as you, let alone the same show as you.

And for this polar plunge, you know, we, I didn't even know where to start to talk about the hilarious comedy that Kristen has given us over the years.

So I just, I want to take this time to just remind everybody of all of the ridiculous, hilarious characters that Kristen has given to us over the years.

Denise from the Lawrence Welk show, and Gilly, and Penelope, and

who else?

God, so many.

We target lady, and we talked about the lady who couldn't wait to, you know, ruin a surprise, and Judy Grimes, and

oh my God, and

Shanna, Shauna, the like sexy lady at the office, and

the Hollywood dish lady who spits her water out, and Mindy Grayson, the woman who can't get password.

I mean, this is like, I could,

I can't stop and won't stop.

But anyway, just do yourself a favor and look those all up.

I mean, honestly, if you're looking for something to make you laugh, any clip from Wig, anytime is going to do that.

So

thank you so much for

coming and doing the show, Wig.

Appreciate it.

And thanks so much for listening and check us out again soon.

Bye.

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