Hayley Williams

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hello everyone and welcome to another episode of good hang this is such a good one you know this is a guest who I wanted on since I started this podcast and I am such a fan it is Haley Williams um in a beautiful artist and an incredible singer songwriter you might know her from the band Paramore but she's out with her third solo album, Ego Death at the Bachelorette Party.

And

she's just so special. And we had such a good time.
And we're going to talk about a lot of stuff today. We're going to talk about working with David Byrne.
We're going to talk about,

you know, Wayne's World and how important of a movie it is. We're going to talk about being short.
pros and cons.

And we're going to warm up and warm down because that's what a person does when they take care of their voice. But most importantly, we're going to start this podcast like we always do.

We're going to talk to someone who knows Haley Williams and knows her well. And today we have Doug Peck.
Now, Doug Peck is a musical director,

a teacher, voice teacher, if you will. He's also a trained musician and pianist, and he works with Haley to get her voice just right.
And I know him in a very special way too.

So let's find out what that is and let's get Doug on the line. Hi, Doug.

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Hi, friend.

Hi, my queen. It's so good to see you.
Oh my gosh. I'm so excited to talk to you.
Thank you so much for doing this. I mean,

Doug, we could do an entire episode on your life, your talent. How did we meet? We met through our buddies, Katherine Hahn and Rashida Jones.
Both of their episodes were so good.

Where two years ago at the Christmas season, we thought it would be fun to do some Christmas music together at Rashida's house. And you walked in, you're like, hi.

And we instantly fell into a beautiful rapport. You

so beautifully sang all the alto parts of all the Christmas carols we sang.

And I'll never forget you saying, it feels like the song is on some distant shore, and we're the boat that's pulling away from it. Altos,

give it up for altos, pour one out for altos.

Well, I realized we, you know, we were like, we want to put together a choir because we were feeling like we wanted to do something communal and for the community.

And then Catherine said, I'm working with this incredible person named Doug. And then I realized much later, it was like saying,

I know this woman named Julia Child. She's going to come and teach us how to make a chicken.
Like we had the best of the best. We were so lucky.

Well, thanks, Catherine, for introducing us. Speaking of Julia Child, Amy, let's get your head voice warm.
Okay, Julia Child. Okay, so Doug, what should I do? Thank you.

Can you give us a good old acting class?

And then show us a little siren from low in your range to high in your range back to low in your range.

Good,

really good. Can you roll your shoulders while you do that and keep yourself nice and cozy comfortable? Oh my god, my shoulders.
God, I forget I have rubbing them over the zoom so they can relax.

No, Doug is a good shoulder rubber and not in a creepy way. No, no, no, no, no, no, no,

never, never.

Roll your shoulders out.

Really good. I know why people are laughing.

She's choosing her voice.

Actually, one of Haley's favorite warm-ups. Can you do, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

Doug has a piano right under. I can't believe you have a piano.

Doug has a piano right there. Amazing.
This is the first on Good Hang. Someone has a piano right below frame.
Okay. So this is one of Haley's.
Okay, go ahead. Can you give it to me again, Doug?

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

Great job, Amy. How does that feel? That is Haley's favorite warm-up? It's one of them.
We have a whole list of things.

I've seen photos of you guys together and the way that you use breath. I mean, I want to talk to her a lot about that today.
Her voice is one of my favorites.

I think when we met, when I found out you guys work together, I kind of freaked out.

Imagine how I felt working with her for the first time. It was like, you're going to go do a session with Haley Williams.
I was like, great. I bet I'm going to learn as much as she is.
What was that?

What was that first session like? There was total love at first sight. Haley is, you know, especially when someone's as incredible as she is, when they're such an open student and a student of life.

And just everything I've ever said to her, I feel like she just sponges it in and she remembers something I said three years ago and will make a great sound.

And she'll be like, oh, that reminds me of we're warming up for the Eras tour. And I like how that one sounded.
Let's work on that again.

And she's always willing to work on what she's great at as well as what doesn't come as easily to her and she's such a Capricorn she's always ready to climb that next mountain and this new album of hers is so incredible so good oh I know I have so many

did you hear any of it when it was being like did you she come in and say I'm working on this song I want to practice this song with you Yes. And then she popped down on the couch.

It was like, yeah, I got 18 new songs. You want to hear them? It's like, yeah, I do.
And then she's like, some of these are really low. We should probably work on that.

I was like, I cannot wait, Haley. Let's go.
Oh, wow. So that's interesting to me.

Like a singer knows, knows, okay, I'm going to have to perform these and I'm going to have to work on figuring out how to get my voice to sing these all the time. That's right.

And sometimes when they record, they've, you know, they've never done it live all the way through. And our sessions are the first amazing time.

I'm so lucky where you're like, okay, start at the beginning and sing it through and pick which backgrounds you want to do and which ad-libs you want to do.

And sometimes even great people like Haley are like, whoa, this doesn't feel at all like it felt on the record. Let's find a way to do it live.
And that's just just such a joy.

I always think about that and I want to ask her. And I think she was very,

has spoke about it in a really funny way, which is, you know, you write a song in your 20s that you then have to sing 10 years later. And it's a note that's like, you know, all I wanted was

or whatever. And it's like, damn, you got to hit that.
I bet she regrets it. We've like hotel and I'm really proud of her because that was one that wasn't always in the paramour performances.

And she was determined to get it back in the set. Dang.
And we worked totally 360 on it with both the vocals and her confidence. How do you work on that? How do you work?

And what is that note, by the way, Doug? Let's hear that on the piano. What's that note?

She's singing D's, D flats, and an E in that piece, top of her range in a really chesty belt.

Chesty belt. Oh, there's so much chest voice in it.
And it's from the soul. And she gets her whole body behind it.

And we worked on, you know, having her look up to her friends in the first balcony and have her whole throat be open while she makes those sounds, knowing in her eyes that she's going to crush it when she takes the breath to do it.

And then watching the reward and watching the audience reaction, it's just so soul satisfying. She also does a lot of vocal cooldowns.

So after the show, we warm her voice back down and help it relax, which helps her with the next night. and helps her take a second to say, oh, yeah, I did do that really well tonight.

And I did use the proper technique to sing that.

And also, we've had fun days where she's like, Yeah, I just wanted to scream. So I screamed that one.
And help me.

Help me get my voice back. Yeah.

She is, after all, a rock star. So that's what I'll say too.
Well, I mean, it's, it's, I want to ask her about it. Just the idea that you have to keep your voice.

I mean, I just, that, you know, when you lose your voice, you lose the show. The show is over.
It's really an intense stress. What do you do? How do you help people not lose their voice?

We have straws. We have straws in water.
We do jump. Wait, what do straws do? You take a straw, which gets proper closure and back pressure at your vocal folds.
Do you have one?

Somebody get me a straw. Somebody get Amy Polar a straw.

Somebody get me a straw. Watch this.
I need a straw.

There's no straw in here. I mean, they're never going to find a straw.
Okay, so you get a straw. 100% we have a straw.
Okay, we're doing a little problem. Okay, wait.

Oh my God, there's a straw flying in. Jenna has a straw.
Incredible.

Thank you, Jenna. Is it a metal straw? Is a metal straw okay? It could be fine.
It doesn't matter what it's made of.

Because all you young people want the straws to be metal now. So can't find a paper one.
And do you have a little liquid in that mug you got there? I do.

Is there are you gonna spill it if you blow bubbles into it or is it like half?

Stick the straw in there. Okay.
And just blow bubbles.

Now do the same thing with the tones while you blow the bubbles.

Oh my God, Amy Paul is doing stormables. That's a big thing we do in cooldown to help the voice reset.
It's like a little massage for the vocal cords after heavy use. You know, it's so amazing.

Now, honestly, having a podcast, I've realized I see, like, I see what it does,

even just talking, what it does to your vocal cords, and they need a lot of love.

Well, we can help you come up with a warm-up and a cooldown before taping days. I'd love to do that with you.
Doug, listen, I'd love that.

And I'd also love to make every guest watch me do it and make them very uncomfortable while I take my time doing it, you know?

Okay, so Haley is coming in today. And I hope I don't, as the kids say, glaze her too hard, but I just,

I love her.

You probably will. I know I will.
I love her. What do you think is a question that

I should ask Haley today that she doesn't get asked or that you'd want to hear or

even think it would be a good thing for us to talk about. Okay, I thought of two, so you can decide if you want to do one or two.
Okay.

One, you know how, like, Batman has the bat symbol in the sky? If there was going to be a symbol in the sky to summon Haley Williams, what would it be?

What an incredible question. So creative.
And then the other one is, you know, how everybody has, like, what's your last meal? I want to know what is the last song she wants to hear before she dies.

I mean, so emotional. Yeah, welcome.

What is the last song you want to hear before you die?

Whoa, that's a heavy. She'll have an answer too.
I bet she'll know the answer. That's so cool.
I mean, I want to think about that for myself, too.

I know the ones I don't want to hear. Like,

I don't want to hear like elevator music or like the sound of a carousel.

I'm trying to think of what I don't want to hear.

You don't want to be bored and you don't want to feel like a clown. I love it.

As I finish, you have worked with a lot of great women. Yes.
Who have you had the privilege to work with? You know, some days, Amy, I'm like, oh, it's an all-girl schedule. And I'm so happy.

So it could be a Catherine Hahn, Patty LuPone, Billie Eilish, Haley Williams. I've worked with Phoebe Bridgers a lot lately.
You're working with her today, not to brag, but you told me that.

That is true. Thank you for making the scheduling work.

We'll work around Phoebe. That's a a good question.

I'm working with Rico Nasty these days and Lauren Mayberry from churches and lots of up-and-coming people, including, by the way, Haley is the biggest music fan in the world, and she's always scouting.

And every once in a while, she'll discover somebody and she'll tell me, or she'll tell her manager to tell me, like, make sure Doug does a lesson with that person because we want that person to start getting ready to tour and sing all the time.

So, some of the great people you haven't quite heard of yet, but you will. I had a student record her Tiny Desk concert today, Annie DeRusso.
Oh my gosh! Wow, that's exciting! Well, I love you.

I love seeing you. I miss you very much.
I hope we get, you know, we should let everybody know that our choir was called the Something Something Singers. And we did two shows.

We did it for the Motion Picture Academy, the retirement home in LA, and we did it for LA Children's Hospital. Can I show you my Haley Williams tattoo?

Yes.

Oh,

That is Haley Williams on stage at the Arist Tour spitting in the air in her trans rights top. I was like, I fucking love this woman so much.

So, Doug, you know, we don't ever get any talented pianists here. So, could you finish our time by just playing us out?

I'm going to give you a little bit of true believer, which is my favorite on this. True Believer.
Here we go.

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haley williams is here so happy that you're oh my god i feel like i've waited for this my whole career my whole life i've been making music for 20 years so that i could finally get to you

Well, you know what? This is, I'm blushing because you are, when we made this podcast, we were like talking about dream guests and you were one of them. Oh my God.

I even, I really don't know what to say to that. Okay.
Well, you better figure it out. Because I'm going to think about it.
We're rolling. No,

we, um,

we were talking about having you on today. And okay,

I don't, I'm kind of nervous. What?

I'm such a fan. I'm so jumping.
Yes. Thank you so much.
And as the kids say, I'm going to, I'm just going to glaze you. I'm going to glaze me, baby.
Glazing. Glaze me.
It's going to be a glaze fest.

I'll glaze you back. Are you on some kind of tour right now? Like you're on.

Well, like basically a promo. I mean, this has been really nice.
I feel like I've only had, I've only had to do the stuff that's been like, I've really felt excited to do.

But, you know, it's like being on cam. It's just, I just feel like I'm on the internet all the time.
And I, so I won't be on tour until next year.

And by that time, hopefully I have a dumb phone and I just don't see the internet.

Yeah. How do you feel? I mean, your gen has an interesting relationship with the internet.
It is like a love-hate love-hate relationship, basically. It is a love-hate.

I'm really addicted to it. Me too.

Sucks. I feel like I thought maybe my generation was more addicted than you guys.

Really? But you guys are the most?

Well, I mean, how old was I when my mom? My mom was a teacher, so like a public school teacher. Public school teacher? Really?

Like you grew up, did you grow up going to her classrooms and stuff? Yes. It was the best.
Okay, what kind of teacher was your mom?

Back then, she was teaching elementary school, like second and third grade.

And I never, she was never my teacher, but I went to that school.

Same. Isn't it funny to have your mom as a teacher in the school? Did you hang out at the school afterwards? Yeah, we often got there early if we were going in with her.
Or we'd stay after.

And you kind of like see the other teachers

after school, which is a trip. It's such, it's like, it's like mean girls when they see.
Tina at the moment.

Peek in and see Tina at the mall. Yeah.
Yeah,

it really is like that.

That resonated with me deeply. I know.
It does feel like you're like peeking behind the curtain. Yeah.
Very,

like, don't look at the wizards.

Right. Yeah.
Okay. When you came in, you asked about a mutual friend that we have.
Yes. Yeah.
So we do have a mutual friend, and he's the most loveliest guy ever. His name is, what is his name?

Doug Peck. So we have a thing on this show where we,

at the beginning of each episode, we kind of talk well behind our guests' back and we talk to somebody who knows them and get and get a question from them to ask ask you. And we talked to Doug Peck.

You did? Yes.

And he gave me a vocal warm-up for us to do.

Shut your mouth. I, this is the best day of my life.
Okay. And he, and I kind of forget what he said.
Okay. Maybe I can, maybe I can pick up on him.

He also amazingly had a piano right under frame that he started to play. I was like, where is that coming from? But because I was like, Doug, I'm excited to talk to Haley.
And he's like, okay.

And he gave us, he gave, he said, one of your favorite warm-ups is that like,

well, I think it's like afraid to do it, but it was like, ha, ha, ha, ha. Oh, yeah.
Oh, ha, ha, ha. Is it? It's like with your belly because I really have trouble connecting to my diaphragm sometimes.

I, he asked me, How is your body feeling? And I was like, I don't know what you're talking about.

Okay, so let's do it. Okay, so, um, yeah, so feel your feel your belly kind of bounce when you.

Okay, and then you can add notes to it. So, like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Yes, that's it. It really wakes up this whole like everything.
It does. Yeah, it really helps.
We were just talking today about you. And

I mean, there's just, it's hard to not start with your voice because your voice to me, um, and here comes the glaze.

Your voice to me is,

It is its own country. It's like, it has such an incredible history.
Like, I feel like I've been a fan of it and you and your work for so long. And I've watched it change.
And I watched.

And what I love about this new record, which I love,

Ego Death at a Bachelorette Party, is.

The way you kind of play around with your voice in a conf, in my opinion, a confident way as someone who feels like they're ready to just kind of like see where their voice goes and play around with it so i guess my my first question to you is when did you

form a relationship with your voice whoa that's a cool question to think about i think

young um i was i was i was remembering this not too long ago and

I think this must be it. I would go to church with my mom, with my family as a kid.
And I was, I was a very anxious, stressed-out little kid.

And my mom and I kind of, you know, she was in a not great marriage. It was my mom's second marriage.
And I think I just had anxiety a lot.

So we would go to church and everyone would sing out of the hymnal.

And they're not fun songs to sing, right? Sure. You know, it's boring when you're a kid, especially.
Right. And,

but I noticed that my stomach ache would go away.

And I, I, I couldn't explain it, but I just, I started singing. I started singing more to the hymns along, you know, along with the hymns at church.
And

it just soothed me, you know, it like, I think it grounded me and it slowed me down.

And then obviously, you know, all these many, many years later and everything that I, I love to learn about the body and especially what, what, like body keeps the score type stuff.

I'm really interested in that. And reading about how the voice can tone the vagus nerve, which controls so much of this, this anxiety stuff and how we regulate,

it makes perfect sense. But I intuited that as a, I must have been, I mean, God, I must have been like eight or nine years old.

It's so interesting. Even just doing that thing we just did, right? Like even the exhalation of breath, even that

is,

it is major. When you actually do it, you realize, oh, I've been holding my breath.
Oh my God. Yes.
I mean, and I do a lot of sighing

around the house. And I used to just think that was my personality, like,

you know, as if I was over it. But I realized it was just an exhalation of anxiety.
That was just basically it. I was just trying to get some breath out.

And you were soothing yourself, like your system by doing it.

Yeah.

It's

I love that science. I just, that's endlessly fascinating.
And Doug, because he's a somatic voice coach, we do so many things that I think

if you've never done that kind of work from the outside would look really weird. And I get up and I move around a lot during our lessons.
You're making me think of two things.

One, which is I often say and have said on this podcast, like when I get to a party and I'm anxious, I like to dance.

And I realize, of course, I like to just do exactly that kind of thing, like shake it out. That's good.

But the other thing is, and I want to talk to you about performing, you have written a lot of songs where you have to just like get to this note that maybe you wrote 20, 20 years ago. Yeah.
Like, oh,

I mean, you know, some person is like, okay, I could, you know, like, I've got to get to it.

And I was saying to Doug, like, it's, it's really hard to, um, it's like a high dive where everyone's, you know, and I'm thinking specifically of a couple moments, like, all I wanted.

All I wanted, yeah. Oh, my, the anxiety.
Okay, but you

that's Doug.

but talk to us about like for example the journey of and for people who don't know there is an amazing song a paramore song and it hits a note that is like so satisfying for you to get what is what is the note of that is it a

i actually don't know doug knew and i forget doug knows a my

usually my my sweet spot of like not too high and i can do keep doing this throughout a show is around

a c uh c an e above middle c which is like so if middle C is in the center of the piano, you're like right here. So, could you, could you whisper that sound?

You don't have to sing it, but could you, so is it like from the song? No, but it's like, yeah,

I don't have perfect pitch, so I don't think I could like what?

I don't, I don't think I can pick it out out of the, out of thin air, but let's just guess, and then Doug can be at home and he can tell us I was wrong. I have a laptop too.

I can, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so what's our, what's the note we want? Um, we want C above middle C.

I didn't even know that existed. I think E is kind of where I end up belting a lot of Paramore songs, but I think all I wanted might be higher than that.

And that's why it's always scared me because it's just my muscle memory.

One, two, three,

four, one, two, three, four, four.

It's got to be higher than that.

C above middle C.

But

I think that E is the one. Am I going to try E above middle C? Yes, E above middle C.
Let's go higher. I don't know.
Let's go higher. Wow, the laptop's going to catch on fire.
Okay, here we go.

E above middle C. I think this is it.
Okay.

No. That's a lower one.
That's a lower one. That's mid-piano note.
I'm so sorry.

Why do I think all I want? I think all I wanted is higher than this. It was you.

Yeah.

You did it too.

Come to a voice lesson. Let's get this down.
Okay, so you, but you, the journey of, and I, and I let, thank you for letting me digress into this before I cover the record.

But, but talk about like, so you've got this note, for example, a note like that.

And you're driving to it and you want to sing it on tour and you're deciding like,

okay, I want to make sure, I want to bring this back in. And how do do you then train for that moment? Oh, I mean, a lot of warming up and warming down after shows.

I already, I've already heard about warming down. Warming down.
Do you ever do it? Like,

no,

I'm learning. I shouldn't.
It really helps.

Can you read music? No, I did maybe for a few years in my life when I took piano, but I got so bored with the theory part. I just wanted to play shit that I wanted to sing along to.
Yeah.

So it's really, I really regret it it when I listen to someone like Doug talk about theory and spout off these, you know, this stuff that's so inherent to him as an artist and as a teacher.

It's like, dang, I really should have stayed in piano lessons. But it feels like everybody who

quit feels that way. Like it would have been cool if I just kept chugging along with the flute.
I would have been such a badass.

Can you play any instruments? No. Can you play? I can play a few chords on guitar and like a song or two in the piano.
And I used to play flute when I I was a kid. You did? Yes.

And imagine if I could. Flute is chic.

I mean,

maybe.

But you know what I liked about the flute? The most embarrassing part?

Cleaning it. Cleaning it.

I'm so sorry. But for those people.

What's that process like?

At the end, you were like, I played it. And look, I didn't learn anything.
And then you took it apart. I took it, unscrew it.
And you had to clean all the parts and your special brushes.

And you put it back in the flute case. and you were like, no, it's clean.

Does this translate to like other parts of your life? Do you like to clean and organize? Oh, yeah, very much so. Very much so.
What's that like? It's like

it's like a way to like quiet the ticky-tacky of my brain. It's just like, well,

it's clean. And it's in the box.
I gotta take that up. Okay, so Lil Haley's singing in church.
Then you're, but you know how to play guitar and piano? How do you learn that?

Now I know how to play guitar, but back then, I think I probably only knew how how to play piano and i was learning to play the drums um you know i saw one video of zach hansen on the television when i was a kid and i was like now i gotta play drums and um

i yeah i started playing eventually and i i would play at church you know like i think my experience of music when i was living in mississippi was just so much at church because no friends i didn't know anyone at school that wanted to play music um but you know there was access to instruments and things at the church.

And you moved to Tennessee when you were 18? Yeah. And that kind of changed everything.
That kind of blew my world open.

I mean, I met Zach, who's our drummer, the first day of this homeschool program that my mom put me in.

I tried to go to public school. I was such a nerd.
I really got bullied. So I didn't make it very long there.
It's okay.

When I think about it now, I'm like, it was, my mom and I were on such an adventure. We had run away from Mississippi.
This was like, you know, the great wide world. And I,

I didn't really, again, I got to this public school and I was like, well, none of these, there's like one goth kid at the school that like will talk to me about music. And that was it.

And then I met Zach the first day of this other program and he was like, you got to come hear me and my brother's band. And he's younger than me.

And I'm going like, oh, there, there are people my age that, that like to make stuff and that they they see the world a little differently and I'm not crazy.

I think it's always tender when bands come together that first part because it's like what do you like what do you like and you guys were especially young. We were so little.

Who did you you know how you kind of trade bands with each other to just test taste? Who did you guys both like say that you liked you know in those early years?

I think Zach already had this

he already knew of a different world of music that I was not exposed to yet. And he kind of showed me that.
And it was bands like Failure. It was bands like

And You Will Know Us by the Trail of Dead.

You know, like it was Hum,

who are playing shows next year, I just found out.

I probably won't get to see him because I'll probably be on tour. But

when you're on tour, you can't do anything. You can't do anything.

Even like you bring out a band that you love that you want to hang out and watch, and you're just like warming up while they're on stage, you know?

But Zach just loved. I mean, Zach is the reason reason that I knew Elliott Smith's music as a really young kid.
And, you know, I remember him making me mix CDs.

So I got such a cool education really fast. He had two older brothers that also liked cool music.
A lot of people learn their music from their older siblings. Yes.

And I didn't have any older siblings. I'm not.

Your eldest daughter.

Yeah, I knew it. Oh, my God.
Capricorn, too, I heard. Are you Capricorn? No, I'm a Virgo, but Earth sign.

Earth sign. And I'm a Virgo moon.
Ooh, I have

a Neo Moon. That's why I have this podcast.
Oh, my God. It makes so much sense.

I must get

some attention. So for people who don't know, like you

join, you met the people that would become members or founders of Paramour when you were a teeny tiny baby in high school.

And you've been with this band for 20 plus years, touring all the time, making records all the time. And this record is your third solo record.

And what is so interesting to me and what, and getting back to a question about your voice, is

what is the difference between being

the lead singer in a band out on stage performing and being a part, being yourself performing without the band behind you? Is that not the million dollar question? I do not know. Right?

Because it's a completely different set of skills.

I'm very, I'm finding myself, because we're planning shows for next year.

I'm finding myself really nervous because I, I think I, for, for my own good, really need to understand who I am outside of the band. Like it's, it's time.
I'm like, I'm looking at 40.

It's not that many years away. And I'm just like, I should probably know who I am outside of this entity.

And

I'm really, I'm very excited for shows.

And I do think that it might possibly subvert some people's expectations of you know what they think they're gonna get when they see me on a stage what do you think people think they're gonna get I think that with Paramore I feel and especially in the

later years like more recently there's been some kind of thing I've noted this feeling I've noticed that I very much feel like a ringleader

and That's not always a positive thing. I feel that like it's a huge responsibility to be a mouthpiece for a group of people.
That's right.

We're all very different

individuals. And like,

I want to speak for myself. Yeah.

That's what I'm noticing. I love that.
And it's also,

I have

a version of a

similar experience in that when I was in a sketch group coming up. I read about this.
And I was the only girl.

Not that that matters, but it's something. It does matter.
I think it totally matters. It's something.

So I really get it that you want to then decide, okay, that's something I've practiced and done and I want to try something new. Yes, yeah.

I feel like

I'm really enjoying this part of my career because I actually feel like for the first time in my career, I'm talking to women.

Growing up, there was just no women around. There wasn't a lot of women when you were on Warp Tour.

No.

You didn't have a real, like, a great, great gang backstage.

It wasn't so many that you could chill with and talk about.

Like, there were some really amazing ladies in the production office. Of course.

But then I was also, like, you know, I mean, I was like pushing gear with the guys on a skateboard down a hill across to Meriwether Post Pavilion, you know, like

I wasn't hanging out in the production office. Yeah.
I really think I, it

is something to be the only girl in a gang. It is.
And it's also like you want to feel, you know,

we could talk about this part forever and you would be the person to be able to talk about it with.

But it's like, how does your, the gender that you identify as, how do you sublimate it through your work? How do you like kind of push it aside? How do you play around with it?

Like, I feel like you have really cool ways in which you kind of play around with the mask and femme side of you. Oh, thank you.

But it's, but it, sometimes you just, you need like the space to be able to do that, basically, and the safety to be able to do that. The safety, that, that's the, that one hits me more.
I, I think I,

the, the, the era that we grew up in, and I know I've already referenced me and girls one time, but you think about like that.

Technically, contractual, you have to replace it. Yeah, two every episode.
Yeah, okay. Have we done? We've done two now, so you're good.

Okay. I owe Tina a lot.
You're not going to get a phone call.

A million.

I like, that was time in in

culture that I do, I think more conversations were starting to happen, but to be whatever age I was, 14, I think

baby. Yeah, I was a baby and I was in

that age range, you know, of all these people and, and like watching these social, like this construct that happens.

I feel that once I entered the band world and

the music, the climate, you know, especially for like indie and more like

punk subgenres,

it didn't feel safe to be a young girl. Maybe if I was an older woman, I would have felt differently, but I really shirked any aspect of me that was remotely feminine.

And I didn't know this, but it really hurt me.

Like I did it to myself. No one asked me to do that.
Well, a lot of, we all did it. A lot of us did it.
Because you're scanning, right? You're always scanning for the dangers. And

unfortunately, in the industries that we're both in, there's a lot of them.

And I think it took me until probably

I remember writing very neutrally, like in terms of my point of view. Like I never want to give away.
lyrically that, you know, this is a young girl's point of view. Yeah.

You know, trying to be smart enough to make that happen.

But it was probably like our fourth album, which I would have been in my early 20s by that point, where I started to play around with my femininity more. And I wasn't so ashamed of it.

And, you know, if I ever felt sexy, I didn't like push that feeling away.

And I, you know, because of that experience, I'm now I'm 36 and I'm still noticing places where there's a lot of rigidity around my femininity. And I talk to my friends about this a lot.

I don't, I mean, it's just kind of unfolding day by day. I, you know, you go through rough things in your life.

And I think each time I come around to an obstacle, I'm like, okay, how do I do this better than the last time I did, I went through something like this?

And somehow femininity is always at the core of the issue. I so feel you.
I feel like it's like a lot of deprogramming, a lot of like

being just what you said, a little bit curious and not so judgmental. And just if you're 10% more aware of anything you're doing, you're hanging in there.

Because it's, you know, you don't, you, you can't like judge yourself for what you didn't know. Yeah.

When you were on tour, were there any, is there any women that come to mind that were kind of guiding lights or, you know, people that you met along the way that kind of felt like, oh, I'm going to take a, I'm going to notice them and I'm going to kind of pay attention to what they're doing and I'm going to learn from it.

Yeah. The second year we were on Warp Tour,

Joan Jett and the Black Hearts played on the main stage, like the whole summer, which is a brutal summer. It's a long tour.

Um, and I would catch them anytime I could, and we ended up in a photo shoot together for, I think it was for Billboard, and I kissed her on the cheek. I'm very shy.

Like, I don't, if I, like, if we weren't doing this, I don't know when I would have ever met you. Like, I don't, cause I'm so, I just don't, I never want to bother people.

And I am quite shy when I'm not on stage. And I, I don't know, we were standing next to each other and I just kissed her on the cheek.
And I remember being like, I love her.

And I didn't know anything about her other than she was in the runaways. And I had a runaways poster on my wall as a teenager.

But I thought she was, I thought she was just, I liked her masculinity. Yeah.
I liked that she wasn't embarrassed to have that side of her as a woman. And she was also very sexy.

So that was probably the first woman that I really, like performer, that I was really around

for like an extended period of time in my young, in my early career. And then, you know, I just this year, I met Kathleen Hanna

and I told her, I was like, I just, I haven't had many of these conversations.

And it's so validating to, it's so validating, by the way, to read books like your book and Kathleen's book and read about women.

You know, I have amazing, my mom and my granny are like these incredible women in my life that I've learned so much from. My mom and I are like really close in age and all that, but I

learned there's, we have so much grace for each other and I, I'm very thankful for those relationships, but I didn't have anything outside of my family to really like soak up wisdom from other women.

Yeah. So

it's like the proximity of them. And you must have, you must have felt that on the Aristotle.
Like you got to be around all these incredible women and an incredible woman at the helm.

And you just got to feel what it feels like to be in that matriarchal simulation. Totally.
It is a different, it's a different feeling altogether.

I mean, there was just, there was a time too, where we would go a whole year and I wouldn't see another girl on stage.

And now when we, now that we have the power to choose, to make those choices, it's so nice to get to be intentional about that and to think about the conversations you might get to have backstage and what I might learn or what I might be able to offer

another artist that, you know, that's maybe like the Linda Linda's. I love those.

I love them. And I just think that they're so smart and they're so aware, like politically like aware and

not afraid. I think that it's very healing for me to see young, like teenage people.

be so bold about what they believe in and

really confident in their playing and how they perform and that their friendships. It's really healing to see that.

Well, you probably, I mean, I have a couple questions about the Arist Tour and they're practical questions. They're like, what is it like to perform early in the day? I love it.
It sounds amazing.

If I never, I've already told the team, like, if we get festival offers, please don't make me play after the sun starts to go down. I completely agree.
Nothing good is happening out there.

First of all, you can be done by what, 8.30 now? I want to have a normal dinner. A normal dinner.
this is what tina and i go on tour and we do like four o'clock and six o'clock shows what

babe you can do a four o'clock i mean you're the boss so you can and guess what people are going to show up and you can say to them

you can say in good night enjoy your dinner and they're like i'm in bed by 7 30. oh my god that is incredible i mean i did do that on the air

so what at the like you had a long stretch when you were with them you in a bunch of different cities um with taylor swift on the air store what did you do after the show?

Well, when we were in the UK, I loved this because, you know, BBC, no, not BBC, E4. I can't remember what channel it is, but they play Gogglebox.
Have you watched Gogglebox?

Yes, I've heard of Gogglebox. Oh my God, Amy, this is my favorite show of all time.
I just love it. I'm just telling people what it is for people who don't know.

So imagine Amy and I are like, we're watching television together and all these cameras are still here, which honestly sounds terrifying, but

like,

it's just families and friends watching tv like commenting on what they're seeing and some of it is like you know soap opera type shit and other times it's like boris johnson yeah i've seen some like i often see some clips of like heavy beautiful scenes where like a young teen is coming out to his parents.

Yeah. And then they'll show all the different reactions.
And you think like, oh, this very blue collar family is going to have a tough time with it. And they never do.
Oh, my God.

england is just full of angels

well according to gogglebox yeah according to gogglebox according to gogglebox it's very it's very wholesome yeah and i love to just i can see pop an eddie or two and just sink into a you know have some room service around

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Okay, so you would like watch TV

after you would chill out. You would not go out.
We went out some. We had a lot of days off too.
And we would like my favorite days were Portugal.

We were in Portugal for like four days before the shows started. And we did one day on like this little boat.
The guys and I all went out, our crew, everybody.

I think that was like 40 of us, maybe 30 of us total. And

we went out. And we're not talking about like a yacht situation, but it was very cute.
And we went out and we swam.

Well, the guys swam and then we found out later it's like really not a good idea to swim in that water.

And you had the instinct to not go in? I did. Yeah.

I didn't want to be cold. I'm not a cold person.

You never do like a cold plunge or any of that?

You love a cold plunge.

I know this about you. And look how you irradiate.
Thank you.

And it's not about the skin, although that's a nice button. The skin is all I care about.
I know. The insides can be rotting out.

Let my skin glow, please. Okay.
It's good for inflammation. Oh, shit.
I know. I don't want you to tell me that.
And you know, you don't have to do it. You never, never have to do it.
Maybe soon.

I think it has, and honestly, honestly, it's really helped with anxiety and depression. Really? Yes, because it talk about somatic.
It flips on your like

fight or flight. Oh, it flips on some kind of, oh no, I'm going to die.
I'm so cold. But how does that help? Because the high when you're still alive is.

Have you ever like thrown up on stage? I've never thrown up on stage. I actually don't think I've thrown up from a show.
I have, I have,

I blacked out on stage at

ACL,

like the last album cycle, but I didn't pass it. I like blacked out.
Pink Panthras was on stage singing Misery Business with us.

And I had this moment where I was like, I just went out for two seconds. And I came back.

It turns out I was sick. So I found that out later.

But other than that, I've only had a few instances where like there was one time, Mexico, a festival, Mexico City, I almost shit my pants, threw up and blacked out. the same time.

I was going to ask, I didn't want to be rude, but I mean, how after so many shows, have you not

shit my pants? I really did.

I mean, I assume every, pretty much every singer I see, I assume that they've shit their pants.

Not on stage, but plenty of times off stage.

I mean, there's nothing you can do about it. I think it's like when you're on your period and you go in the water, apparently it just like

I think that's what happens on stage with me. It's just like, we're not doing this.
Yeah. Wait until after

women are incredible. Women are so strong.

Women, most of the time, don't shit their pants.

Like, most of the time.

That's like a guy thing,

actually. Sorry.
90% is true.

I don't know any women today that have pooped their pants once. I need no one here in the studio today.
Today, not once. We should just all try it together once.
Then we can know. But it is.
It is.

It's super physical.

And then the other, I have so many like, because I feel like there's a version where one must like disassociate and just kind of be in your world and saying, and other times where you want to feed off of the eye contact from people.

And is that just, you're just always adjusting with that? Or? Yeah. I, I don't know if I'm, I don't know if I'm fully present to like that awareness when I'm in it.
Yeah. But I get such a rush.

I mean, especially at a paramore show, I usually recognize a lot of the people in the front.

So we're all, we'll, we'll have like a relationship then throughout that show where I'm like, I know you, I've seen you a million times and like you're with me. Yeah.

But then I'll spot other people and I can, I can really feel, it's almost like I intuit what the song means to them. I'm not thinking about what it means to me anymore.
It's so healing.

It's very liberating, actually, because I love to write about stuff that'll just make you so depressed. You know, like I, I need to get that out.

So to have an experience with other people that takes it away from me is really,

I really need that. I think what's a song or a lyric or a moment that has been given back to you by a fan, like by

someone in the audience singing it back to you, that's changed the meaning of what you wrote? Oh, wow. Because that's a very cool thing you just brought up.
I didn't even think about it.

I mean, to me,

my question was going to be, what does it feel like to pass around all these feelings to people so that they can all, you know, they can all have their feelings about it and become detectives about it.

But I realize there must be a gift also in the way people sing the song back to you, tell you what they feel about the song, that it must change the meaning of the song.

It really does. Did anything come to mind? Well, the first one that comes to mind is this song called Last Hope from our fourth album.

We had a self-titled record that came out when Zach. left the band.
He left the band with his brother, who started the band with us when we were teenagers. And

it was really, Taylor and I were writing and I was, we were both really sad. And I just kind of also felt like, I mean, what does a band matter?

You know, I really was feeling so existential about the whole thing. And I can't remember, it's the lyric and the bridge.
It's like the

salt in my wounds isn't burning.

doesn't

burn quite as much as it used to. I can't remember exactly the words right now, but

I just remember writing it and being like, this is so sad. And that unfortunately is how I feel.

And I've, I've really struggled with my mental health and, and kind of like, you know, I've wanted to not be here plenty of times. And that song kind of expressed that in the moment for me.

Having that at a paramour show, that moment,

and feeling like everyone in the room has survived so many different things and we're all here. Half of us will never see each other again.

It really does something to those types of songs where I wrote them in such isolation.

And now here I am having to like not only

be witnessed, but bear witness to all these other experiences that are that have

coalesced. And people are just physically joyously singing that back to you.

Smiling and being like, thank you for writing that thing.

Dude, joy is really, joy

is a tough emotion for me

because I don't trust it. I always think it's gonna, the piano is gonna fall from the sky is what I say to Mike.
Like it's just gonna hit me when I least expect it.

And I think that's why Paramore shows, at least for me, they feel so joyous because

I'm relying on a lot of other things.

I'm not thinking so much about my own experience. And when we can transcend our own experience, it's like

for me, joy becomes more tangible. It's like, oh, I'm not controlling what's happening anyway.
Yeah. And this thing is being offered up.

We're all kind of creating this energy together and we just get to reach up into it and pull it down into our hearts. And it's like, it's very wholesome.

It is. I mean, it's very

primal. Yes.
Very primal. Singing with other people, like just the frequency of that in a room is powerful.
Yeah. Can we talk about being short?

Can we please fucking talk about being short? You're both 5'2. According to Wikipedia,

are you a natural 5'2? Yeah, I am. In fact, one time I did the whole insurance thing.
They come, they take your blood and all that stuff. And they were like, you're 5'3.
And I never let it go.

It's on my driver's license. 5'3 is on my driver's license too because they measured me at 5'3, which I'm not a 5'2, but I was like,

and they were like 5'3. And I was like, okay.

Thank you. I'm super pumped.
Oh, my God. I was so relieved, actually.
What's the good thing about being 5'2? And what's a bummer? Well, so, so my friend Daniel that I made the record with

is probably like 6'3.

Isn't it funny that you don't know? Because anyone over a certain height, I'm like, just

a building. I don't, like, I don't know.
I'm just walking through New York every day of my life.

But

we were standing on like a porch of a house that was kind of like on a hill. And then there were there were chairs.
And I was like, you're way up there, man.

Like you're, like, we're already standing atop this little hill.

And I, so I got on the chair and I stood next to, I stood on the chair next to him where I was even with him. And I felt so vulnerable to the elements.
I was like, closer to the sun. This is not.

where I want to be. No, too windy up there.
It's too windy. Yeah.
I don't like to be cold. yeah, and I hate wind, if I'm being honest.
Yeah, get down under, get down back into your turtles.

I just, I just, I really felt scared for like a few minutes, so I

tip over. I don't know how tall people don't constantly tip over,

and it's like not our business what's happening up there. It's not our business what's up now.
I don't want to know it's like if something's important, shout it down,

but we don't need to go up there. Yeah, I mean, really, though, I

do though when I'm shopping, I hate being being short. It sucks.

It's so embarrassing. It's so embarrassing.
Every pair of pants, you look like a little kid, like, like swooshing around and Danny DePanoing around.

You know, totally. Every, nothing fits.
Nothing is. It's made for short shorties.
It's really not. And now that I'm getting a little bit older, I'm like learning about like.

if my torso is the right length and if this part of my body. I'm just like, I don't want to know this.
Do you have anything on your body that's long?

my dick

perfect

but it's also really walking which is like what do i do like ladies love it just always told me

hold it and roll it

and then one prepare for one more glaze Okay. Okay.
I'm ready.

Actually, I don't know if this is the last glaze, but prepare for one more glaze.

But

you are an artist that other artists, male and female, feel like

you are a lot of people's favorite artists, favorite artists. Oh, my God.
They love working with you. They have huge tender feelings about being in your orbit.
They on stage feel very like.

like they're kind of loving you in real time on stage. And

you've worked with a ton of people who love working with you and would, you know, would be able to get 20 people to talk about how much they love you.

Who right now, like, who do you, who are your people right now that when you get to see them, perform with them, be with them, they feel like they're part of a peer group that like lift you up and support you or people that are up on that you're hoping to support and bring along for the next ride man well i got to perform with the linda lindos in london and i felt really proud of them i get to I get to do more stuff with David Byrne this year, and I know that's going to feel like it's weird.

It's interesting because Linda Lindas are younger than me. David's older than me.
Well, that's what I feel like being in your mid-30s feels like is you're feeling a little in the middle.

In the middle. Yeah.
And,

you know,

if, you know, if your 20s are figuring out what you want to do, then your 30s are kind of figuring out what you don't want to do.

And so you're kind of letting go of things that aren't working for you anymore. But that vacuum gets filled with cool stuff.
Like, and you're looking ahead and back.

I mean, what do you think your 30s feel like? I have felt like. Honestly, enjoying you talking about it because I, 30s are weird.
Like it's weird. Especially the middle of my 30s.

I still felt very young in my early 30s. Like I still felt very, um,

what's the difference between 28 and 32? I felt like it was all the same. Something happened at 35.

I started seeing myself, like seeing pictures and being like, oh, that's different.

But I also still feel sprightly and have energy and almost like a renewed passion that makes me want to like live it all up. Yeah.
It's, it's just a, I didn't expect 30s to be like this. Yeah.

Well, I mean, did,

I guess I want to know. What did you expect 30s to be like

when we're younger? Like when I'm like, what feels old? Because I, I, I'll, I'm here to tell you, I'm 54. I don't feel any, I don't feel

old, but when I was a young person, if someone was like, She's 50, it would be like, oh my,

that's the oldest number I can think of.

And but it's so funny here to tell you from like just sending you a dispatch from 54, I don't feel that different. It really excites me.
Yeah. It excites me because I see, like, because

being 36, when you say 54, maybe this is the age where like that doesn't sound old to me. That doesn't, that doesn't scare me.
I think it sounds better than 36. And

the 36 is harder to be in the middle. Yeah, the middle.
The middle is hard. The middle is hard.
Hell is the hallway.

Life is a hallway. Life is a highway, but hell is hard.
Hell is the hallway. We just wrote a whole song.
No one's ever in any of those words.

Okay. And then, and then the last thing I'll say is that

I see in the in the music world, what happens a lot in the more like actor comedy world which is women who are very very different are kind of asked to be a member of the same group and they're all really different with different styles and different ways of approaching things and

but you have an incredible you're in an incredible time right now for just women in music they're just dominating oh my god and so many styles exactly yeah i'm i'm really enjoying watching women on stages right now because of what you said it's it's so many different personalities i i am I love

Mannequin Pussy. I think.
Yeah, they're amazing. They're amazing.
She's a singer. Talk about a voice.
Yeah, yeah. And we just connected over just over DMs.

And Missy was talking about losing her voice. And we were kind of like keykeeing about that a little bit and talking about this initiative that

she told me about. It's No Music for Genocide initiative.
And it's just so nice, again, to talk to other women and music music that like we don't have to be doing the same thing.

We don't have to like the same music. Like we could be on completely different sides of the musical landscape, but

I feel so much less alone by engaging in it more. And I just, it's so exciting.

Also, like, I was just telling my friends this morning, I, I normally listen to like, you know, I like bands and I like heavy music and I like weird, you know, I like all the stuff that's happening in Copenhagen right now.

What's happening in Copenhagen? Oh, there's such a great music scene in Copenhagen. It's just what? Yes.
I'll send you a playlist. Oh, my God.

I love it. Is it all

heavy? Heavy Copenhagen? No, it's not heavy.

It's a vibe. It's a vibe.
And I've always liked music from that, from like Scandinavian artists, you know. But also, I just like was listening to, I put on this Olivia Dean song

called Man I Need. And I started, and I was like, oh, I know it because I've seen the clips all over the internet.
And I started singing along to it, and I started crying to it.

And I think it's because it's so, it feels joyful. It feels very feminine.
It's not, my mouth doesn't make those shapes very often. And my body like really responded to it.

So I just, yeah, there's so many different types of music happening right now that I'm so inspired by. That's awesome.
Yeah, it's fun. And what are you listening to, watching, reading?

What do you do to laugh? What do you do when you want to get up,

you you know, get on the elevator and get up out of the

like? What makes you laugh? Wayne's World.

It's my favorite movie of all time. I watched.
Let's talk about how much, how great Wayne's World. Can we please talk about it? I mean, Dana Carvey was

instrumental for me when I was, he was in, you know, like you always kind of fall in love with the SNL cast that you saw when you were like 13, 14.

And he, him and Jan Hooks and like that cast, Bill Hartman. And Mike Myers was an improviser who came out of the theater that I studied at.

So Mike was a kind of an example of like, one of us can make it. Wow.
He kind of came up through that system, that Chicago system and got an SNL.

So those two were, and, but what do you like about Wayne's World?

Why does Wayne's World make you laugh? Well, so my parents were really young. And I think that's why I got to grow up on stuff like that from the early, early 90s or late 80s.

And

I thought that's how we would dress when we became adults. I was like, this is how adults dress.
We wear fishnets under denim ripped up shorts. We wear flannels over Aerosmith t-shirts.

And I literally dress like that. I mean,

I just,

that movie has, it's like the godfather to me.

Like, I quote that movie all the time. What's your, what are your favorite scenes in Wayne's World? Oh, this is good.
Well, it's probably the Dreamweaver scene.

It's probably when they first see Cassandra. And that gorgeous woman played by Tia Carrera.
Tia Carrera, my queen. Incredible.

And

Chris Traeger's Rob Lowe is in Wayne's World, Rolo, as we like to call him.

You know, I did not like Rob Lowe until

much later in his career. Because he was bad in Wayne's World.
Like he was the villain in Wayne's World. Yes.

I believe Parks and Wreck was

the redemption tour. Okay, so we'll finish with Doug's two questions because they were great questions.
Okay, yeah. So good.
So Doug had two questions for you. And

by the way, make sure you check out Wayne's World. If you haven't seen Wayne's World, what the fuck? Honestly.
Yeah. Do you have to bleep curse words? No.
You don't? We don't have to bleep on that.

Oh my God, fight the power.

Yeah. Incredible.
It's so incredible. Freedom.

Freedom.

Okay. He had two great questions.
One was,

you know how Batman has a symbol in the sky that calls Batman? Yeah. What would Haley Williams' symbol be?

And it can be anything. Yes.

Do you know in Wayne's World, when they're driving in the gremlin

and it's the middle of Bohemian Rhapsody when the guitar

kind of breaks down

and the camera pans up and there's like a car on top of a pole.

I think it's a car. It's like a sign for something.

And it would be like that, but it would just be the gremlin. It would be in waiting.
And it would have a glow behind it. Oh, yeah.
You would see it in the sky and be like, gotta go.

Gotta go. It's time.

You know what I mean? Yeah, gotta get in there. Gotta get in that world.
It would be like that. And

very faintly from a distance, Bohemian Rhapsody might even be playing.

Yeah.

What's your favorite part of Bohemian Rhapsody?

It's

so you think you can sing in this bit of mad.

That's my favorite part. Of course.

And then the

next question, which is wild, is

what

is the last song that you want to hear before you die?

Okay. Oh,

I know. And you're, and, and

do you feel like you would know it? Staying alive.

That was always my funeral song, but I suppose it would be kind of cool to go out to it as well. And you know, want to add an extra layer to it.

That is supposedly the beat that you're supposed to do CPR to. Stop.

Staying alive. That's when we learned CPR.
It was like, ha, ha, ha, ha, staying alive, staying alive. And then breathe into their mouth.
Whoa.

So that might be what you want to hear. Doug, you got your answer.
Well,

I hope this isn't too embarrassing, but we're going to do a cooldown with our straws. Oh, yeah, with our straws.
Yeah. Here's your.
Damn. Doug has really taught you.

He gave us a cooldown, and now I only want to do it with straws. Okay.
Can you talk us through it? Yeah, we do a few different versions.

And it honestly has been a moment since I've done it, which is hence why I was saying I need to start doing it at night.

But I think the whole idea is: go normally you're going from here, building up, kind of up your range. Now we're gonna close, we're gonna shut it down.
Okay, so let's start like not too high, but just

That's a little too low.

Haley Williams, thank you so much for being with us. Thank you.
That was lovely. That felt really good.
It did. And I love you, and I love your voice and I love spending time with you.

I love you so much. A lot of fancy guys.
That just happened there. I'm going to really unpack on my way home.
And I'll send you a playlist. Yes, please.

Because we need to know what's going on in Copenhagen.

You're right. Because

I'm embarrassed about how little I know what's going on over there. We need to get over there.

And don't think that for the rest of the week, I'm not going to dine out on the fact that Haley Williams told me there's a lot of music going on in Copenhagen. I'm going to say it at least 10 times to

101. Tell everyone you know.
You might meet at the gas station.

It's hot.

The block is hot in Copenhagen. You got to tell them.
I'm going to drop that like it's nothing.

I'm just going to say it so casually. I'm going to make icon.

Hands in your pockets.

Cigarette appears. Okay, friends for life.
Yeah. Okay, bye.
Bye, guys.

We're going to stay here, but you're going to go.

Thank you so much for coming, Haley. You are,

well, you're my new best friend. whether you know it or not.

And we'll be friends forever.

It was so fun to see you. And

I just want to say Haley talked about a lot of amazing musicians and

people that she loves to work with. But for this polar plunge, I'm just reminding everybody about two things.

The great Kathleen Hanna, who, you know, started Bikini Kill and Latigra and is an incredible activist and musician and

instrumental for so many women's careers. Such an inspiration, I know, for me and many other people.

And the Linda Lindas, a band that Kathleen has supported as well as Haley forever. They are just this really

super fun,

great musicians, great vibe. I got the chance to work with them in a movie I directed called Moxie, where they were playing at the dance.
And

they're just, they're just so fun. So check out music from the Linda Lindas and always bow down to the great Kathleen Hannah.
And thank you, Haley Williams, always for all that you do.

Can't wait to see what's next. Okay, thanks.
Bye.

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