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Like, it's been coming up.

Talk right into that.

It's been coming up because I guess the stock is doing well or it's a hot meme stock right now.

And so on NVIDIA?

So on C-SPAN and all those places, I see them refer to it as NVIDIA.

Or not C-SPAN, but like

what is it C-SPAN?

CNBC.

Maybe CNBC is what I'm thinking.

What do they say?

They say Nvidia.

Yeah, they don't know what they're talking about.

I see them like analysts say Nvidia.

I've been buying Nvidia video cards for 20 years, and I've been saying it wrong.

Longer than 20 years.

That's what I'm saying.

It freaks me out every time I hear it.

I'm like, what the fuck are they?

My first Nvidia card was a Riva TNT

Nvidia.

I think it had 16 megabytes of VRAM,

if I remember right.

It was a

accelerator.

Listen, I'm bringing it up because it freaks me out every time I hear it.

Remember back like when 3D accelerators first, or 3D, God, what am I saying?

When 3D video cards first came out, right?

Like your onboard video couldn't do it.

I don't even remember this.

There was a brief window in time in the late 90s.

You and I would talk about this a lot where not only was there a market for like 3D video cards that could do games and whatnot, but also for like 2D video cards.

And you're like, ooh, that Matrox G200, the 2D images?

Windows desktop has never looked so crisp.

Look at the pixels on it.

Like onboard video, crap.

Matrox G200?

Woo!

Man, I'm going to pay $400 to see my computer look fucking brilliant.

Remember that shit?

How fucking stupid.

Gus is fired up.

We spent good money to buy that shit that we just take for granted now.

Who fucking cares?

Well, this is episode 74 of the podcast.

Welcome back from a break.

I just wanted to get recording because we were talking about that Nvidia Nvidia thing yesterday.

God bugs the shit out of me.

And I knew that it was going to just...

It's just the kind of thing that's going to get Gus.

It's going to set me off.

Oh, 100%.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

It's people telling you what to do with your money going, NVIDIA.

Well, it's one of those things where you see it and then you go, ah, shit.

Have I been saying it wrong for 20 fucking years?

We should start saying Kunbuk instead of CNBC.

Kunbuk.

Man, I was watching Jim Kramer on Kunbuk this morning.

He was really yelling about Nvidia.

So we're back from...

Watch.

I'm wrong.

There's actually Gus.

I'm excited to find out.

Let us know in the guest book, which is back online.

Okay, yeah.

Anarchymeaning.com, by the way, is the website where you can sign the guest book.

By the way, I love when people reach out to me via the so all right email address, uh-huh, but it's don't reach out to me to tell me about problems with Gus's guest book.

I can't fix them.

Oh, that's not, and I won't see them.

Like, I check that email address, I check that inbox like once every three weeks.

So, I won't fucking, I just like saying, it doesn't piss me off or anything, but it's just like if you're gonna report any kind of an issue to me, it's not gonna get noticed for a while.

I need to put, thank you, Jeff.

I need to put a contact the webmaster email.

There you go.

Link on and it can be anything.

So, the old guest book had some problems.

Namely, it's like there was no way to stop bots from posting stuff on it.

And once they found out about AMA.com, they're like, what?

What?

A new website with a guest book.

I was afraid of like malicious code injection, right?

And it's like there was also no way for me to really get rid of any messages that might be doing things like that.

So I had to switch over to a new one.

And I didn't want to lose all the old entries that people have done on the app.

These are fucking classic.

So I manually copy and pasted all of them.

I re-entry Yeah,

it was hours of work.

Dude, I was about to say, that's some early RT working harder than smarter.

Yeah,

I'm sure, like, we have people here who know how to more smartly do that, but they were very busy, so I didn't want to bother them.

Right, but they were pumped to help you write that HTML.

They're all also just as excited about this as you.

I'm trying to stay under the radar.

I mean, it's the right thing to do, but also I think the people that want to help you write HTML for this thing,

they'll keep it under the radar.

They're excited.

Talk about staying under the radar.

We had a meeting with merch on Friday.

We all went to lunch together.

We had to make a secret pact.

Yeah.

We're never going to tell anybody about what we're doing ever again.

No, it's, it's good.

It really works.

Uh, but we're back.

We're back after some supplemental.

Yeah.

That was a great episode, that last one.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Thank you.

The people are

enjoying it, seem to be enjoying it.

Me and Jeff, if you didn't listen, that's fine.

How dare you?

But all right.

It's a longer supplemental where me and Jeff just had some love mics, went, got some coffee, records, pizza, just like cool, like little it was like a walk and talk.

Yeah, it was nice.

Yeah.

It was a really good time.

I think Gus is jealous, though.

Yeah, I'm pretty jealous.

Because I had the idea I wanted to do an episode like driving around in a car, but this is an even better idea

than I wasn't involved.

Well, I mean, that's what supplemental weeks are for, man.

Just sort of even better at that.

Yeah, yeah.

Doing experimental stuff, pushing the boundaries of what you can truly do on a podcast.

Gus is going to be on We Can Truly Soar.

Are you allowed to do a podcast like that?

It sounds like my wife putting together her show.

Are we allowed to talk this long without talking about the book?

Yeah, you can do anything you want.

Our wives' show is getting dirtier and dirtier and more disturbing.

It's gross.

It's gross.

She tells me about stuff, and I don't want to hear it.

I'm just like, save it for your show.

She's like, no, I need to know if this is like good.

I'm like, it's all bad.

Don't talk to me about this.

They're discovering stuff

I got sick of watching on Pornhub years ago.

Good morning, fulfilling.

Good morning, guys.

We tried, we set up

to do this, to record this episode outside.

And it's a beautiful day, but the wind is so strong and so cold.

It forced us back inside into the studio.

It almost blew your taco away.

You got to build this taco.

A full-ass, fully wrapped taco.

The wind took it.

I was afraid it was going to take my cup of coffee away.

Yeah.

It was so strong and so cold.

So we set up.

We got the mics.

We're ready to hit record.

Like, what are we doing?

Let's go back inside.

Did you see recently there was a post on the, I believe it was on the Anima subreddit.

of little video of this dude, these two chefs making breakfast tacos.

And they're like, is this what they're talking about when they make breakfast tacos?

So it is not.

I didn't see that.

It's too, here's the thing.

Don't get tricked, dummies, by what, like, internet videos of people making food in clean kitchens with clean aprons.

These are people who are just quick cutting together, chopping up brisket or whatever.

It's like center cut bacon or something.

It's like a guy who joshed something that like lives in Austin and does cooking videos.

And then

this woman that I've seen on TikTok a lot,

she's a chef.

And they're both, they're making breakfast tacos, but it's in that way of like,

this is presented very clean.

Look at these quick cuts that we're making as we dice these onions and like that kind of thing.

And then they take a bite and they go, oh, it's so good.

And it's like the way you've never reacted to eating a breakfast taco.

All she is is eggs and potato.

Also, the only thing that really resembled a real Austin breakfast taco was the red sauce they made.

Yeah.

Everything else was just like, it was like, it'd be like if you describe to a really talented chef, right, these ingredients and you go, and you just put it together and you kind of loosely explain it to him and you go, all right, you make it.

And he's never seen one.

he's never eaten one.

He just uses his chef abilities to create his best version of what you told him.

So it like it's of, it's, it looks adjacent to a breakfast taco, but you look at it and you're like, I would not, I wouldn't eat that every day.

The way you describe that sounds like Gordon Ramsey is going to steal that and make another television show out of that.

Like, people describe some food to him and tries to make it.

It's like you were telling me on the way over, you were telling me about some Spanish movie you watched.

Yeah.

The platform.

And as you were describing it to me, I went, oh, that's next next level chef it's on it's airing right now episode three just came out

oh yeah it was a

it was a it was I saw it on Netflix it's a movie they call the platform it's a Spanish movie but what's weird is in Spanish the name of that movie is the hole

was there a hole in America already probably or

maybe they were they were afraid of it getting confused maybe

because when you even said it and you said it's called the hole the first thing that went to my mind was that movie the descent for some reason i thought like oh maybe it's like a cave and they got to go to the bottom of it But then you went the other route and it went up.

The hole goes up.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Holes are unidirectional.

Absolutely.

You know, they're only natural enemies to pile.

That's true.

That is a great Simpsons reference.

That is a great Simpson reference.

What season is that?

It's like season 68.

Is it really that old?

It's early.

Oh, wow.

You think we should just do an episode where we just speak in Simpsons?

Yeah, we just say Simpsons quotes.

We're not even trying to

go, yeah, what about this reference?

We just keep saying Simpsons quotes and then laugh and then say more Simpsons quotes.

I'm in season 32 now.

Oh my God.

And

I saw my first glimpse of the pandemic.

Like the The Simpsons are wearing masks.

Oh, wow.

Yeah, it's like it was for the Treehouse of Horror that came out for season 32, like the intro.

They were wearing masks because of COVID.

I was like, oh, I'm almost caught up.

I wonder how many people younger than us watch The Simpsons or would get any of those references.

I don't know that Millie has ever, or anybody that Millie knows has ever seen an episode of The Simpsons.

Wow.

I think it might be even a little young for like a lot of millennials or a little old for a lot of millennials.

Who's watching it then?

I think Gen X.

I think us.

People that discovered it in the sixth and seventh grade.

I was watching it.

Like new episodes?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, I wasn't allowed, but still did.

No, I mean, like.

Like, I wonder who watched, who, who was watching seasons 30 and 31 as they were airing new.

Oh, oh, I see.

Yeah, I don't know.

I don't know who watches.

I mean, I don't know who under 50 watches network television

in that way.

You know?

Yeah.

Me.

Man, I've been watching True Detective.

What have you seen?

Have you been watching?

No, I haven't seen it yet.

It's pretty good.

I heard it was sci-fi-ish, so

no.

I was afraid it'd be space problems.

Not really, no.

Okay.

No.

It has that interesting setting.

Supernatural in?

Kind of.

Maybe a little.

Where it's you know above the Arctic Circle and it takes place after the sun sets for the year.

So it's like it's always nighttime.

Isn't there a show called Murder at the End of the World with a similar premise?

Setting?

Setting, similar setting?

I believe so.

And it's also like there was that movie, Insomnia.

I believe it was a Stellan Scarsgaard movie?

Yeah.

It was also the same movie.

They remade it.

Right.

There was an American.

There was a...

I forgot the original one.

The original one.

Alberto, I think, was in the remake.

Right.

The original one was either...

Maybe it was Norwegian or something.

It was Norwegian.

I'm sorry.

It was Norwegian.

I knew that.

And then, yeah, they remade an American version with...

Did you say Robert De Niro?

I thought maybe Al Pacino.

Maybe it was Al Pacino.

Maybe it was Al Pacino.

I get that.

Al Pacino, Robert De Niro, and Dustin Hoffman are the same thing to me.

They're interchangeable.

It's the same.

That's also the same premise where it's like the sun goes down and then it's not time.

I think that that is a very interesting setting, and I think that it's fucking cool that there are places in Earth where you can experience an entire day with no sun or an entire entire day with no night.

Do you remember, it wasn't executed terribly well, but it was a great premise, that movie 30 Days of Night.

It was based on a comic book.

No, I never saw that.

Vampire movie.

Same thing.

They go up to Alaska, they get 30 Days of Night, vampires come out, rule the world for 30 days, and the humans got to try to survive in remote Alaska because it's never daytime.

That's a cool premise.

Yeah, it is.

The movie kind of falls apart pretty quickly, but, or at least I remember it.

I saw it when it came out 20 years ago, probably.

I think it had Josh Hart in it in it.

Yeah.

The only thing that i remember from that movie is a woman saying oh uh god no and then he the vampire sort of like looks around and he says like no god

oh this is fucking oh my god that's fucking cool

no i never saw that i have vague memories of it doesn't that suck when you know you've seen something you're like i don't think i like that but i can't remember why because it's been so long and or then you go back and rewatch it like no i don't know what i was thinking this is actually good that's part of why this podcast has been great for me because there's so many times times we'll be riding around austin with emily and she'll point out a restaurant i'll go i don't like that place and she'll go why and i go i don't know uh

i i i don't know i had a bad experience here in 1998 i don't remember what it was

but i know i don't like austin java company i just can't tell you why

it's funny it's funny how that works

i guess it's good to revisit some of that stuff or have a sounding board to remind you yeah and also you get to hear yourself and be like wow that sounds ridiculous yeah i've written off a place for 25 years and i can't even even tell you why.

Yeah.

Do you.

Sorry, go ahead.

What's the last place like that you drove by?

Has everyone been one recently that sticks out in your mind?

Or a movie that

you think you don't like?

Man,

probably.

I wish something was coming to mind off the top of my head.

Probably.

Just

nothing is springing to mind.

I feel like for a long time I

did not like the village draft house.

We both didn't like the village draft house.

and now it's the only draft house i like uh i i thought that the original well it's back like when it first opened right like why would i go there the original draft house is better it felt like an imitation of the original right and the seats weren't comfortable the the tables kind of sucked but over time it's like that's my favorite draft house now um it's the only draft house that still feels like the draft house to me

and that's not to be negative towards the other draft houses you and i are holding on to a fucking a time and place business just changed yeah uh but i was there a couple weeks ago i saw uh rushmore one of my uh

are you doing the 25th anniversary thing i saw the 25th anniversary i forgot how short that movie is i've seen that movie dozens of times like oh this is like a 90-minute movie which is weird because all of his other movies are like two movies crammed in together right uh

um and yeah and they i guess they rented it they change out the seats and the tables the tables are great they they they fucking swivel now they got those buttoning

yeah

the comfy seats like uh mueller it's i think it's my uh my favorite draft house now uh and i was going somewhere with that and I just got distracted talking about the draft house.

I forgot it.

Do you ever have one of those days now that you're having a senior moment and you put me on the spot earlier?

Do you ever have those days where you wake up and your first thought is, I don't have it today?

That was me this morning.

I woke up this morning and went like, oh, I'm an empty vessel.

I got nothing to offer.

I'm dumb today.

And I don't know why.

Maybe it's because I had a social weekend and I just like my battery indicate or whatever, maybe.

That did not used to be a problem, though.

Normally in the mornings mornings when I wake up, my alarm will go off.

And I try, you know, I don't believe in the snooze button.

I like getting up right away.

The other day, was it yesterday?

Sunday?

Yeah, Sunday.

They were like, they kept talking.

On Saturday night, they kept talking about how the storm was going to come through early Sunday morning, like five or six in the morning.

There's going to be potential for hail and torrential rain and whatnot.

So yesterday morning, my alarm goes off like at when I wake up, you know, really early.

And I, so I like open up my phone and check the weather.

And I'm like, oh, okay, the storm's changed.

It's not going to hail here.

It's not going to rain.

I'm good.

So I put my phone back down and just fell right back to sleep.

I like woke up totally dumb.

Like my alarm went off, but instead of waking up, I was like, oh, what's the weather?

Oh, okay.

We're not going to get rain.

I put my phone back down.

I just went right back to sleep.

Like, all right, that's done.

Sunday check.

It's like, he's like, oh, there's no rain.

I can't work today.

Yeah, like, I woke up later.

I was like, what the fuck did I do?

You just needed a little extra time.

I guess so.

I was just so annoyed at myself for just like autopiloting, looking at the weather, and just immediately going back to sleep.

When we were driving in from the coffee shop back into the studio, we drove on 35, going south on 35.

We drove by a place kind of over by the link that is a new building that's been constructed.

It's maybe 10-stories, glass building.

It's got a big red cut-out window on the side that protrudes.

Very modern-looking building.

Nothing special.

But I was thinking about that.

I was going to ask this question in the car and I decided not to, to ask it here.

But that building is sitting empty.

And it was constructed maybe two years ago around the pandemic.

Are you talking about just north of the link?

Yes.

Just south of St.

John's on the west side of 35?

Yeah.

I believe that building was there for a long time.

And they renovated it.

They renovated it.

Yeah.

So it looks brand new.

But it's been done.

That process has been done for a while.

And it's sitting there totally empty.

Like you can look through the building and just see the shit behind it because it's all empty floors.

Do you think commercial real estate will ever recover?

And if not, what happens?

Interesting.

What happens to these buildings?

Like Chicago, I did an architectural tour in Chicago a couple years ago when Millie and I were having like a daddy-daughter weekend.

And I've taken this architectural tour a million times.

It's one of my favorite things to do.

And I always take it when I go to Chicago because it's on the boat on the river and you get to see all the

cool buildings from the water.

And they were like, it's like 75% empty.

since the pandemic.

And the city is now trying to figure out what to do because we have all this space and no business wants to work in it.

And so we're trying to reinvent what it means to be a city.

And I remember thinking about that at the time and going like, oh, it'd be interesting to see how that plays out.

But it popped into my head today because I've seen that building sit empty for a while and a lot of buildings downtown are empty and I see no sign,

especially as the, as, I mean, it's weird, right?

Because you see the jobs report and we're hiring faster than ever and the jobs report's great and unemployment is low, but everybody in our industries and our adjacent industries is laying off massive amounts of people.

And so I just, it makes me wonder, like, when does business, plus, nobody wants to work in a building anymore.

Everybody wants to work from home anymore.

And I don't know how, if that battle ever flips back.

So just what happens to all these buildings?

I think that eventually the return to work movement will succeed.

But don't you think that the pandemic shed a light on the fact that we are at a point with technology where it's not a necessity anymore?

Yes, and I totally agree.

I'm 100% on board for work from home.

The problem is the people will ruin it.

For example, you know, when when we're recording this, the Super Bowl was last night, there was a whole segment during the Super Bowl broadcast about how

lots of hybrid workers are going to elect to work from home on Monday because they're going to be too hungover to go to the office.

So it's going to be attitudes like that.

You give them an inch and they take a mile.

Right.

That are going to ruin the work from home idea for everyone.

It's going to be people who use it as an excuse to goof off or...

you know, not get as much work done, then give it a bad look that are going to ruin it for everyone else.

Like, oh, we all can't work from home because too many people decided to be drunk and hungover.

I wonder.

I just, I wonder.

I don't know.

I don't know that the people don't have enough power now that businesses just can't make these decisions.

I think that,

you know, there's a lot of influence, a lot of power behind the money that powers commercial real estate that is going to push people to get back in.

Yes, sure.

But also, I think that, you know, efficiency and cutting cost always wins out at the end of the day when we're dealing with capitalism, right?

So

eventually businesses will, it's the same reason why a lot of businesses are adopting clean, uh, clean technology now and renewable resources because they see that it's ultimately going to be more profitable than ice down the road, right?

So

businesses, I think, will realize or are even already realizing that it's cheaper to do it this way.

Tele Network figured it out 15, 20 years ago.

Yeah.

But these businesses are also invested in commercial real estate.

I understand, but not, yes.

So, I mean, there is a push and a pull there.

And I get it, right?

Like, I mean, there are things that we do here at work that it's way easier for me to do at home.

And there's some times where it's like, I'm just going to run home and do this because I can get it done there in half or a quarter of the time that it'll take me to get it set up here.

I don't have to involve anyone.

It's just, there's a lot more,

it's just me.

It's dependent on me.

Whereas here, you might have to get other people involved.

So I get it.

I'm all about it, but

I guess I just have a pessimistic view about it.

No, I know, and I do too.

How many people?

I mean, I think pessimism is like the mood of our generation.

Yeah.

Pessimism and like nihilism, right?

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Plus, also, people are going to have like shit break, right?

Like, they're not going to be able to connect to the VPN or

something's not going to work.

And also, people will realize that they don't have a separation of a work-home balance, you know, and they'll want to go to work.

Like, I appreciate coming to the office.

I appreciate that we, when we all get together and we sit into a room with a whiteboard, we have 10 times the ideas than we ever would have had individually on our own.

Um, I'm not decrying the benefits of working in office because I like the benefits of working in office.

I just feel like there has been a seismic shift and I just don't know that things can shift back to the way they were.

And we just have all this real estate kind of caught in the middle and something's got to happen to it, right?

Because we find a use for everything.

I don't know if you've seen, like in

New York, I think in Manhattan specifically, they're trying to find ways to convert commercial spaces to residential spaces.

And it turns out that it's way more challenging than you would expect.

Yeah.

Because

from a fundamental layout perspective, the buildings are radically different, right?

Like an office isn't plumbed to have water and sewer connections for every quote-unquote unit.

You know, it's like you have central core of the building where all of that's run through.

So like, how do you do that?

You know, every

residential unit has to have a window or windows.

But, you know, when you build an office, that's not necessarily the floor plan you have in mind.

So it's like, it's not a matter of just like, okay, we're going to put up a couple of walls and this is a

condo now.

Well, there's also the reality is too, and I would maybe need Eric to look this up to make sure I'm not completely off base here, but I believe there are more homes in America than people.

Are there?

So,

I mean, a lot of those homes aren't necessarily homes that you would want to live in.

A lot of dilapidated, boarded-up homes, but I do think that there's like enough homes for every.

I think it's one of the fucked up things about homelessness is, or unhoused people, is that there are homes for everybody.

They exist.

There are places with roofs for everybody.

We just don't want to give it to them.

Yeah, we don't want to give it to them.

Or we don't, or it's not in any kind of condition and it needs to be picked up.

Or realistically, it's in a dead town, a ghost town where nobody lives and there's no infrastructure for it anymore.

So U.S.

housing units as of July 2021 numbered 142.15 million.

There's 332 million people.

So theoretically, because people

don't live one.

Right.

So I was going to say.

So, yeah, on its face, you go, well, no, there's twice as many people as there are homes.

It's like, right.

You're not, most people aren't living a single person.

And also a child is not living.

Three people live in my home.

Exactly.

I live in two or three.

Yeah.

It's, it's that kind of thing where it works, like, and there's a way to make it work.

I think my problem with the work from home stuff or the return to office stuff, because I appreciate the work from home stuff, is that the get back in office thing isn't what you're saying, where it's now we're more collaborative.

It's nefarious because the people who are saying get back in the office are the people who own the building to make the money to

get back in the office.

We have to justify the mortgage.

And that's and that's my problem with it.

That's my issue.

I think

it's interesting you talk about the number of homes in the United States versus the number of people.

Thankfully, that number doesn't seem so bad.

I'm thinking about, when you said that, I was thinking about like the Evergrande collapse in China, where it's like they just went off to the races building homes.

And it's like, oh, shit, we have

way too many homes for people.

Like, we need to, we can't finish building these because we already have way too many,

which is a whole other disaster.

I'm surprised that hasn't had bigger repercussions here.

I thought for sure when Evergrande officially collapsed, I was like, oh, man, we're fucking in for it here in the United States.

I'll tell you, man, it's one of the things that, one of the things that I think was kind of a nice,

side effect of the pandemic or us all having to go through that is we live in a city like Austin where it has been at like 95% occupancy most of the time we've lived here, and they can't build houses fast enough.

Yet there are Boise has got fucking houses coming out of their ears, right?

And the pandemic and work from home really leveled that.

People really started to spread out.

There's a whole lot of the country's big.

Yeah, the country's big, right?

And let's use the spaces that we have, you know?

I watch a lot of,

I'm not playing with my dick.

There's like a piece of crumb right there.

There's a crumb on my jeans.

I watch a lot of documentaries on NHK, which is like the national broadcast corporation for Japan.

And I feel like every other story they do is about the declining aging population and how there's not enough people to maintain the houses.

And like all the small towns are dying.

And to the point where like it's a strange problem they have.

Bears are starting to take over parts of towns.

Where it's like there's not enough people at the outskirts.

So like the town seems much smaller and like there's nobody there.

So the bears feel safer.

Yeah, bears are encroaching everywhere

in Japan.

It's like this weird problem.

Like we have fewer people, older people, so the bears are taking over,

which is wild to me.

But you talk about like, again, a situation where there's tons of houses that need help.

They need people in them because

they're falling apart because they've just been neglected for years, if not decades.

How do you prevent the bears?

They have to set up like sound-emitting devices on the perimeter of town.

Someone goes, it's just a recording of a guy going,

no bears.

But yeah, or like have people wear bells when they're out and about.

So

you don't startle a bear.

Oh, my God.

Like stuff like that.

Like be more diligent about not leaving trash out.

Yeah.

Make sure it's all sealed up.

It's just wild.

And I think we're going to see, you know, without, I think people forget that, right?

Like without,

if birth rates decline, you need some way to continue to maintain that population.

Yes.

And I think that the United States has been very fortunate from an immigration perspective because even as birth rates decline, people still want to come.

So you can buoy that population.

Because without that, if the population continues to decline, then like social services aren't funded to the point where they can sustain people.

A population in decline is in every way a society in decline.

Right.

That's a huge problem.

Yes.

People don't understand that.

It is a huge fucking problem.

And I think that, you know, we've been very fortunate.

You know, obviously, you know, Japan's population continues to decline.

I'm sure they're working on ways to do that.

But here we're bolstered by people still want to come here.

And thank goodness they show up and can pay a tax or continue to do work that other people don't want to do.

It's all kind of connected in a way.

in a very direct way.

Anyway, that's my immigration talk.

And by the way, I also understand that a population is in decline, at least in American, that people don't want to have kids because they don't feel like they can afford to have kids.

Like, it's not an indictment on people.

I think it's not

safe.

Or it's not safe to have kids.

Or they don't, yeah, exactly.

They don't want to raise a kid in this fucking environment.

I totally get that.

I'm one of them.

Yeah.

I'm not like, I

think it's sad.

I think it sucks to see a population in decline because it means that, like you were saying, social services are going to decline.

We're going to start breaking apart at the fringes.

The bears are going to start getting closer.

I want to kind of lay this out there because we do this a lot and it's not just this show.

I think it's most podcasts and most shows.

The language that we use when you make a point and then quickly have to go.

And I want people to know that I mean this is the way that I mean it.

That's not on, like, I'm not trying to get at you about this.

I hope that if you're listening to this, you know that in no way what we're talking about is malicious towards you or any of your friends or family or anyone you know.

And that when you hear us say this stuff, it is years of being in media and having to deal with people who can't wait to jump down your throat for saying something like, yeah, man,

birth rate decline is a society in decline.

And somebody going, I'm fucking mad.

I'm personally insulted by this.

So please know that like listening to the show and really everything else we do, there's no maliciousness behind anything that we're saying here.

And I hope that you would have that understanding listening to this show.

I would hope so too.

I would hope so.

And we do have to say these things because every episode could be somebody's first episode.

Yeah.

Right.

And so you do have to say these things.

But I hope that there's some media literacy that you have, that you're, that you're hearing this and you know that when Jeff said that, you're not going, can't believe he said that about me, man.

This is going to be a lot of people

in further like, well, I know I'm going to get a bunch of posts on Instagram for people that are like, of course we're not having kids, asshole.

We can't afford to have kids.

It's like, I never said you could.

Exactly.

And I totally.

And I'm hoping that when you hear that, your head doesn't immediately go to, I need to correct this guy.

It's so fucking

about the incredibly privileged job I have where I get to be entertaining and talk for a living.

But it is exhausting to, while you're pushing a conversation forward and you say something, to in the back of your head, be having a second conversation saying, do I need to go back and readdress this?

Let's take a second in my head and think about, did I say something that could have been misconstrued or offensive in a way that I didn't intend?

Oh, God, what was Gus saying?

Oh, I can't remember now because I'm in my fucking head thinking about this.

When you were talking about work from home, that's what I was doing.

I was like, well, then, of course, we're not even addressing the fact that people may not have the space to work from home or like broadband.

And like, there's a lot of other societal factors that go into that too.

But I'm like, no, no, I'm going to push that aside.

Yeah.

I think that it's something that we need to be like very cognizant of.

I don't know.

I just, I hear a lot of this from us, but not just us.

It's every podcast I listen to has this language.

And I want to try, I'm not trying to like take a stand and put a stop to it.

I just want people to be mindful of like

nobody here is being malicious toward

at all.

Yeah.

Also, just from me personally, I don't know who you are.

Right.

I was going to say, I don't know who you are.

I don't know who the fuck you are.

Thank you for listening.

I don't know you personally.

Unless you left a comment on the guest book.

Right.

In which case,

which means we're best friends.

And

I just think it's important to

have that sort of knowledge or understanding to be able for for everyone to take a step back and be like, hmm, this conversation might not be about me personally right now because we're speaking broadly over some microphones drinking some coffee.

And your situation, while unique to you,

is not the one that we're talking about.

And that's all.

Again, I just want

to put that out there that there is, when we're talking about this stuff, there are people listening to this who really understand and they're like, well, he's like really belaboring the point.

Know that this part of the conversation is not for you.

I hate to belabor a point, but I definitely, you're right.

I definitely feel like I'm required to at times.

I just think it's something that we need to be aware of or at least sort of mention.

Yeah.

And I think part of that is that

I don't know about you.

Like I'm

totally over social media.

I don't use it.

Yeah.

I just have, I just use it for stuff.

When there are things that are either misunderstood or things that are said inaccurately about this project or about us, like I'm not going to correct it.

Yeah.

It's just going to be there.

And you're going to read.

People may read something that's factually incorrect or totally wrong.

Take it as gospel.

And I can't do anything about that.

It's out of my control.

Also, I've been doing this a long time.

Yes.

Heck, can you believe they said this in 2009?

Yeah.

15 years ago?

A generation?

Yeah.

Oh, 15 years.

Somebody who can drive a car now, that's how long ago that was said?

Yeah.

It's,

I, I just think that it's, I think it's important to keep in mind that we're speaking broadly and in no way malicious to anyone at all.

Yeah.

You're right.

Except for Robert from Michigan.

Yeah.

Hey, hey, Bob, you bitch.

Oh.

You know, it's.

It's always interesting to me.

I feel like every year when the Super Bowl is fresh on my mind because it just happened yesterday.

Whenever the Super Bowl happens, it's it's such an event that the entire media landscape shifts itself around the Super Bowl to avoid it.

Like, you know, I was talking earlier about True Detective Night Countries, which is a show that normally comes on on Sunday.

But because the Super Bowl was that day, they put it out on Saturday.

Did they really?

Yeah.

Oh, I didn't know that.

So I watched that episode on Saturday, the most recent episode on Saturday instead of Sunday.

And I feel like, in general, media either goes dark to avoid getting crushed by the Super Bowl or they shift release a day in either direction to get out of the way on Sunday.

And it's weird to me, like as much as broadcast consumption declines, as much as everything has become,

you know, there isn't really appointment viewing anymore.

It's all on demand.

That

sporting event still can draw that number of eyeballs.

And to the point where we're up to like $7 million for a 30-second spot

for commercials on the Super Bowl now.

I talked about this a little bit on So All Right a couple,

probably 20 episodes ago now, but

looking at like most viewed broadcasts of all time and you consider

network television to be on the decline

I'm not even on the decline like in its last fucking throws right like it's like to say it's on the decline is

a huge understatement right but you don't expect anything that airs on nationally broadcast stuff like that to air to have any kind of numbers like it did and that includes sports like NBA is doing pretty well but it still doesn't get the numbers it did even 20 years ago.

And

the fucking second most watched Super Bowl of all time was last year's.

What?

Yeah.

Last year's was the second most watched Super Bowl of all time.

So this year's will probably be the most watched.

Do you know soon?

That's just United States or is it?

I think it's total viewing.

I looked it up on Wikipedia.

It was like ranked.

So I think it's global audience.

And I know there's a million different ways to watch it, right?

But it's still, it's just like, it goes to the point that there are still people that want to watch this stuff and it is still huge.

It's bigger than ever.

I heard a fucking, I listen to a lot of political talk radio, right?

I was listening to a conversation this morning on the way and they had a poll going.

Steve Bannerfan.

It was like 5248.

It was the dumbest fucking poll and the dumbest question I've ever heard.

It was, and they were 100% serious.

Should we change President's Day so that it's always the Monday following the Super Bowl and tie those two events together?

Because they seem to go together.

And they're big enough.

People won't have to work remotely because they're hungover anymore.

Exactly.

Because now the President's Day is next Monday and it should be today.

And then so people would get the vacation after the Super Bowl.

And they're like, should there be a movement to do this?

And you're like, that's how big the Super Bowl is.

Listen, I'm on board.

I am too.

They should absolutely do it.

Because

the Super Bowl is already an American holiday pretty much as it is.

What's more American than football?

It's an official holiday.

I think President's Day is where it is because I could be wrong.

I believe it's like somewhere between Washington and Lincoln's birthday.

Somewhere.

Like that they kind of like combine the two into a President's Day.

We're still close enough, like a week off.

Yeah.

Classically, our only two presidents ever.

I think that they should take the birthday of all presidents,

average it, and that should be President's Day.

Yeah.

When there's

totally agree to change it, never mind.

I'm on board with that.

You're changing President's Day.

I don't, oh, tie it to the Super Bowl.

No way, baby.

Average all the birthdays.

Oh, this is great.

I want.

And if you get, if you get eight, like if you get two terms, do you get a little bit more weight to to your birthday?

Ooh, I hadn't considered that.

Maybe you counted twice?

This is a really good idea.

Yeah.

I'm going to say yes.

I would think so too.

Yeah, if you get two terms, your birthday's in there two times.

But here's the thing.

If you have two terms, but then you die early,

you only get some of that.

You're out of office fast.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

So it's like a percentage.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sort of a weighted scale.

So like we have to deal with like Kennedy, LBJ.

That's going to be some math.

It's tough, but hey, it's for smarter people than us to decide.

I don't want to do this.

I want someone to tell me.

I want someone to tell Eric on social media what our President's Day should be so I know.

I'm going to take that day off.

Yeah.

That's my President's Day.

That should be an Anima holiday.

Yeah.

Let's do this.

Our President's Day.

Not my President's Day.

I'm going to say next Monday.

I'm going to come into work.

Somebody, I want it.

I want it so desperately to just be a weird ass Thursday Thursday in August.

Please, someone tell me what day it is.

At Anima Podcast on Instagram and on Twitter is where you can let us know.

Or r slash animapodcast.

You guys can work it all out yourselves.

I literally know in the guest book.

Let us know.

Anarchymeanthing.com.

Let us know in the guest book.

Oh, that's great.

I put a counter on the website last week, too.

Are we part of a web ring yet or no?

No, I need to do that.

But when I was making the counter, you had the option of how many digits to put in it.

Yeah.

So I put nine.

Oh,

we're going, so it's a bunch of zeros.

That's pretty both of you when you see zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero six seven

Should we create a web ring?

Ah, this is maybe too ambitious of an idea where any Anma

fan, I don't like that word, community member can, like if they have, like, should we encourage Anma community members to create their own websites and join our web ring?

So

I've been putting a lot of thought, despite how it looks, I put a lot of thought and a lot of work into the website.

Well, it looks like you put a lot of thought and work into it.

It just doesn't look like you put a lot of ability into it.

No, no, no, that's totally what it is.

And some of the things I want to do is I want to...

So, like, on the project roadmap

are banner ads.

This is the white paper.

Banner ad slots.

Okay.

So we put banner ads for Anma merch.

And I figure we put some

face banner ads in there too.

And Stinky Dragon.

And Stinky Dragon.

Why not?

And I want to build a web ring as well.

The web ring is a little more difficult because

you have to have everyone involved also have like links back and forth and have that whole like to make the whole ring work.

Yeah, so um, that may come at some point, but I have been putting thought into it.

Uh, right now, I got I just say I have a lot of things I need to do to make my job easier because I also added an archive for every episode now, too.

So, I need to automate the archive.

I need to automate the posting with the embed every Monday because not right now when I get up on Monday mornings, I have to update it.

Like, oh, here's the correct new embed and all of this stuff.

I don't want to do that.

I want to automate it.

Do you know so goofy?

Do you know what's happening here?

Gus is reinventing the internet.

Yes.

And we're watching it happen in real time.

I fucking love it.

I love it.

There was a.

He's already realized the technology sucks and he's trying to invent new technologies.

You know,

Adam Conover from Adam Ruins Everything?

Yeah.

And he's got a podcast.

And

I don't know when he talked about this.

I saw this clip yesterday, actually.

He was talking about the early days of the internet when...

People did things because they loved it.

People posted things because they loved it, right?

Like nowadays, the internet is like three or four companies that own everything and everything's monetized.

Whereas in the early days, you had sites like Game Facts, where people uploaded like huge, ASCII text files with art that they made because they loved a game.

They weren't making anything from it.

Or like Two Cows, or just like a website that just showed you free software you get on the internet.

Or drunk gamers.

One of the things that Bernie hated and we used to make fun of us about constantly was that Gus and I told him when we started, we don't want to make money off this.

There's no goal to make money here.

Stop trying to make money.

We just want to have fun and entertain people for free and ourselves, really.

Yeah.

And, you know, that flew out the window with Rooster Teeth, clearly, very quickly.

But I think that

there's a generation of people who don't remember that.

Oh, yeah.

And I think that that's part of what has been driving my fun in working on the ANMA website.

Right.

It's like rediscovering, because, you know, even though I was there, I've forgotten a lot of it until I sit down and I make this stupid webpage.

Like, oh, right.

The internet used to be like goofy.

Everything wasn't monetized.

And like, even the banner ads I'm going to put on, like, it's more just to show what it looked like.

And it's going to be our stuff.

It's not, I'm not going to, I'm not going to go sell banner ads for someone for two cents CPM or whatever.

What's so crazy about it too is if you step back and look at it, the internet that you're describing, which is the internet that gave us careers and the internet that I fell in love with, the internet that we've bonded over, right?

Was a very brief internet.

So yeah.

A very brief window in time.

You're talking about six years, maybe a little bit more.

Yeah, I'd give it seven.

I'd give it 10, maybe.

Do you think so?

I don't think I'd give it 10, but that period where it felt like that and where it still seemed possible before like

the fucking tide of money and influence just washed all that away.

I remember even when we were making drunk gamers,

you know, we were very grassroots, right?

Like with us making it ourselves.

And I remember like looking at our competition.

Like, who else is out there doing video game reviews?

What are the other video game websites?

Happy puppy.

I never thought about that.

But even when I saw like a website, like what was, you know, a new website pop up, like one up, I was like, who are these people?

Oh, it's Ziff Davis or whoever.

It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

All of these, like, it was like the initial foray from like big money coming in.

It's like, oh, there's really no one pushing like this, this independent voice.

It's so funny you said Ziff Davis, too, because

it was them.

Yeah, it was absolutely.

For sure.

And that's just gone, sadly.

Like, I mean, I think everyone.

Yeah.

It was sad to watch it die and see it happen in real time, too.

I was thinking about the other day, like, there was a period in my life when I went to Joystick every single day, probably 10 times a day.

I can't remember the last time that was a website.

Yeah.

I haven't thought about them in a long time.

But it was like my spot.

People had GameSpot.

Some people went to Kotaku, wherever.

I was a joystick guy.

And you just think about all those homes that just disappeared one day.

You can find the spirit of that at anarchyvanythingthing.com.

I should try to see, I should make a link for old websites like that that still exist.

I'm curious if any of them were still left archived.

Like, wasn't there like a, like I, like the, the first webcam on the internet was like a pot of coffee at MIT, right?

Like some dude didn't want to get up and see if there was coffee in the coffee pot, so he set up a webcam and put it on the internet.

Like, I wonder if that's still active.

Yeah.

You know, wasn't there like an old

Twinkie website, the Twinkie experiments or something, where like people

threw Twinkies off buildings and tried to see like how indestructible Twinkies were?

Are you talking about adding a link section to the internet?

I need to

only early internet

links.

Oh, like old Spark stuff.

Like

when Christian with these sticky feet project,

exactly what I'm talking about.

Date My Sister project and all that.

Yeah.

Man, did you ever see any of those old Spark stuff?

Oh, I remember that stuff.

That stuff was

great.

We're getting on towards time, so we need to talk about.

Can you believe it?

Wow.

We need to talk about Violet Crown Cafe that we went to today.

It's over in Crestview.

It's by

Little Deli Pizza.

Me and Jeff found it during our supplemental recording.

Yeah, that's where we had our little pizza.

Yeah, we did.

We had Little Deli, fantastic.

They have a pizza there.

It's got a name.

I don't know what it's called, but it is just a pepperoni and cheese pizza with Roma tomatoes and chopped up roasted garlic.

It is the best slice of pizza.

It is fantastic.

It is so fucking good.

Yeah.

It is really, really good.

It's like, yeah, that place is great.

So we found Violet Crown Cafe, which used to be a drugstore and then was an ice cream shop.

It was an ice cream shop and we were talking about it.

Like it was a cool ice cream shop that nobody went to.

And you would go in the back and there were some arcade machines machines and some stuff from the drugstore that used to be there that you can look at yeah like a little mini museum kind of that's all it was yeah this place is different they gutted the fuck out of it it's nice now it is yeah it is a little swanky very of that neighborhood yeah um

trying to make something happen in like that little spot it is such a great little shopping center there there's a fresh plus over there used to be in orlands used to be in orlands yeah which is a local grocery store both of them are actually i believe we talked about the fresh plus in hyde park that has has the mural of

the house.

Yeah, the Will Fairley at different.

So one of their sister stores is over there.

That coffee shop, Little Deli, which is just the fucking best.

And then like a barber shop and a mechanic shop.

An acting school.

An acting school.

Yeah.

Just a cool little spot.

I looked at a, I went to an open house down the street from there

a couple of years ago before the pandemic.

Beautiful, beautiful house.

Pre-pandemic.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, at pre-pandemic price, I think the asking price on that house was like $1.2 million.

So it probably was $2.4 during the pandemic.

Right.

Beautiful house.

I loved it.

I was like, man, man but that is that is that is a expensive house crazy um so we all got our coffee that we usually get i got i got the drip gus got the americano jeff got the cold brew and then jeff also got a taco and uh gus got a curlache yeah normally it's kalachi but they spelled it k-e-r is it is it like a brand probably like curlin

colachis or something i would imagine or like maybe they're from curville or something what was your taco

uh it was just a bacon egg and cheese taco and then what was your curlache?

Spinach and feta cheese.

My taco was pretty dog shit.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Pretty.

It was very medium.

But I've seen a video on the internet where they make a breakfast taco, and they really loved it.

But they looked lovely.

They just weren't breakfast.

My curlache was pretty good.

What did you guys think of the coffee?

The coffee, I thought I hated it at first.

But then the more I kept drinking it, the more I liked it.

Interesting.

I don't think I've ever had that experience before.

I think.

You've never learned to like something in your life.

I would agree.

You've never had that experience.

We talked about this earlier.

I think I'm going to end up settling at like a 7.5 on it.

It's a solid cup of coffee that I would have rated much lower when I first started drinking it.

7.8.

Okay.

Yeah.

I mean, this is probably like a 7, 7.5.

This is, it's a good cup of coffee.

It's a little more chocolatey than I like, just for what they have on, but they had a wide variety of like beans you could buy there and like a bunch of other stuff.

And just like this little section that was like, it's a cute little shop.

You could buy sardines there.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Tinfish stuff is like back and I don't know why.

Apparently, it's hotter than ever.

Yeah.

I've seen people like on TikTok and stuff where they're like way into like eating fish out of tins.

Broadcast TV and fish tins.

The packaging was very fancy, so as I could tell that it's very in vogue.

The only metal I want with my fish is the mercury inside of it.

That's what I'm talking about, maybe.

Give me the microplastics only.

I watched Eric.

Can I tell you a quick little story?

Yeah.

Eric came over for the Super Bowl last night, and Emily's, one of her best friends from out of town is in, is visiting, and so she's staying with us.

And I watched Eric introduce himself to her

it was the funniest thing ever it was so funny so i went over she came over to me as we were like in the kitchen and i grabbed this jalapeno popper that i guess she had made yeah and i was like i hadn't met her and i'm like oh hi i had it in my right hand and i went oh i i'm eric and then she's like oh haley and then We went to shake hands, but I only had my left hand.

So I just kind of like reached and twisted.

So it's like, you know, you can shake hands with it.

But then she took it and went,

she took my mom and said, Ah, Shantae.

I'm excited about the way you presented your hand to her.

It was so fucking, I was howling.

What up?

It was so funny.

Totally took me off guard.

Had never met her before.

And I went, that's hilarious.

What a great in-the-moment.

Yeah.

It was so reaction.

It was just such a like, I'm eating the thing you made with my regular hand.

I'm not going to get your hand greasy.

Oh, this is weird.

I love it.

It was very funny.

One thing that I had wanted to mention this episode that I forgot about until right now is I saw that there's going to be a 25th anniversary release of The Phantom Menace

in the theater.

And I think

we should go camp out for tickets again at the theater.

I think we should go down to the Metropolitan, revisit the spot where we camped 25 years ago, and camp out.

I guarantee it's going to be packed.

We're going to need to show up early.

Two days are early again.

To make sure that we get tickets that we're in line.

You're a psycho.

Are we going to record from the Phantom Menace line?

We should absolutely do an episode from the Phantom Menace line.

I need to find, I think it's coming out in May.

I don't know when tickets are going on sale.

Can we get a PS2 and Bushido Blade again?

There's a PS1.

Is it a PS1?

Yeah, this PS2 wasn't out yet.

It's going to be a bunch of 17-year-olds working in this place going, what the fuck are these old guys doing?

Why are they in a tick playing PlayStation?

Oh, my God.

Should we call the cops?

Oh, we absolutely would get run off for trespassing this time for guarantee it's going to happen.

Dude, fucking crazy.

Yeah.

Let's make it happen.

So I think Violet Crown Cafe is maybe not the most memorable place we've ever been.

We also got run out because it was so fucking cold outside with that wind.

But I don't think it should discourage you if you're in the area to check it out.

I know it's charming.

Yeah.

It's just sort of like

in the grand scheme of this podcast, pretty right down the middle.

Yeah, yeah.

And plus, it's got Little Deli right there, right?

So, like, I think Little Deli is a reason to make the trek there.

However, if you're already there, you may as well pick up a coffee.

It's also, it's a wine bar, so it's open pretty late.

And

I think the only other place that we went to that was like coffee and a wine bar closed.

So there's also

Nosh and Bevy.

Oh, yeah, Nosh.

That's like a bar.

Yeah.

Coffee.

There was that.

What was the place that we went to, like south of the river, that was a Iribean.

I think it was closed.

Oh, they closed.

Yeah, they closed.

so now this one is our wine spot also

that's sad i guess red wine and coffee

god that made my whole fucking it made like my butthole tight that sounded

um hey let's get into some anarchy questions you can send us anarchy questions uh at animapodcast on twitter and on instagram or r slash anima podcast is the subreddit we do not run uh jeff mentioned he went to the university of south carolina for a small time what yeah What?

Are you serious?

Yeah.

Do you know?

You know about this?

I don't know about this.

Yeah.

The United States Army used to, the United States Army had a contract with the University of South Carolina's photojournalism school.

And so there was a special program in the military

where when you would become a journalist, that's the beginning of your education.

There was another course you could take that was like advanced.

I don't remember what it was called, but it was like advanced journalism that you could get, if you were really really good, you could get lucky.

They would send you to the school for like a month.

And then, if you were really good, there was this thing called the Advanced Photojournalism course, where they basically put you in for like a semester and a half at the University of South Carolina and they ran you through the master's program and like very briefly, like the main, not the whole thing clearly, but the major points with their instructors.

And so, I didn't realize that's what it was.

I uh I

was very successful in the Army as a young photographer.

I was I was lucky enough that I did well and I, I don't know, I impressed the right people.

And so when I was 20,

I was selected to skip the intermediate school and go straight to that advanced school.

And they enrolled me in the University of South Carolina for like, I don't know, four months or something.

And so I went and I lived on

campus in a dorm.

And yeah, yeah.

And I was a student there for like four months.

I ended up having to leave early because I got deployed to Kuwait.

So I didn't get to finish it.

Wow.

I did all this coursework and I got the grade and everything.

So I got this fifth kit.

But I had to leave early.

So I had to abbreviate all my work and finish early because I had to go get deployed to Kuwait.

I'm not going to be in class next week.

I'm going to go to war.

But I got to do that.

At 20, I was the youngest person in the history of the army to get.

to do it.

I was one of the only people that ever got to skip the intermediate school.

And two more classes after mine, because they like run through like two cycles a year or whatever, they ended it.

And so I was, I was the third to last class to ever go through it.

Yeah, so I got really, really, really lucky.

Well, this question was from Prowler Caboose, and they said, Do you have any memories of that?

That's their home city.

And they're wondering if you have anything.

I married my first wife there.

Oh.

On lunch.

On lunch.

Was that

in Columbia?

Yeah.

We went to Columbia together.

Yeah, we did.

We did.

As a matter of fact, we hung out with a friend of mine from that time, a punk rock kid that I became friends with.

Yeah, that's true.

Do we need to go to Columbia for Anna?

I haven't been there in a long time, but I'd love to.

Five points is the area, right?

We were there 19 years ago, maybe?

Yeah.

It was a long time ago.

That was the time we got on the plane and we thought we were going to crash when we left because it was black shit was coming out of the wing.

Yeah.

That was

bubbling.

That was a scary flight.

Whoa.

I had no idea about any of that.

I didn't know you went to like school.

Yeah, he was a he was the army, the 90s armies answer to Ansel Adams.

I'll take that.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah.

I want to be Mary Ellen Ellen Mark on Angel Adams' bill.

I'll take it.

He's the only one I can think of off the top of my head.

Kelvin H.

I just want to give a shout out, tweeted at us, had an overnight work trip in Austin and went for some NFTs.

And he ended up at Casino El Camino.

Oh, that's nice.

Quality.

Got what looks like maybe a burger and some wings.

And then also went to Veracruz and had some coffee there also.

So if

you come through, check out the NFTs.

We do these recommendations and hopefully people like it.

I should compile NFTs on the website too.

That's a good idea.

Yeah, we should.

We should make an NFT map.

Yeah, Gus should make an NFT map.

Oh, my God.

Speaking of Veracruz,

you guys probably already know this, I'm sure.

But they have a brick and mortar in Mueller now.

Yeah.

I've been there.

Have you been there?

It's good.

We should go.

It's fine.

It's weird.

I ordered.

My friend Jason was in town.

We talked about this like the last time we had our break, supplemental break.

And we went there before I took him back to the airport.

I'm like, oh, this would be cool.

We'll get breakfast tacos, get a cup of coffee, chill here for a little bit, and then I'll take you to the airport.

Yeah.

Dude, I don't know what the fuck's up with that place.

It was just like, hey, we want to get like some tacos to go.

And it was like, they were confused.

There's a big long bar.

There's a bunch of seating to like sit down and eat.

And it's like, oh, I was under the impression that I was going to get some breakfast tacos.

I think it's easy.

And we had to like walk over to like the counter that's at the bar that the person at the front told us to go to, but no one was there.

Like no one was manning it.

It was just all just like this isn't set up for what I need this to be, which is just a window where tacos come out of it and then I eat them.

Yeah, it's definitely a sit-down place.

They're not geared at all for which would be confusing for fans where they only have those windows everywhere else.

You can, I think the best way to do that is to just make the order online and then just pick it up.

Just because, yeah, trying to get something to go there is

a hassle.

I'm over QR codes for menus.

I'm over having to order online first.

I get it.

It makes it easy and I can put it in and then I can go pick it up.

It is such a deterrent for me to do that.

It's one step too many.

Let me go to the place and just order the thing.

That's how I want to live my life because I don't want to talk to someone and I want to make sure it's customized exactly how I want it.

I don't want to be like, did he hear that?

Yeah.

Are they going to get it right?

I completely understand that I'm on the wrong side of this one.

It is just a step too far for me in a direction where I go,

there have been so many times where I start putting in the order online and then I get to the checkout part and I go,

I'm not going to, never mind.

Is Eric a boomer?

It's just,

I think seeing the

money right there and I don't have to spend it gives me the chance to go.

You're out.

I don't need this.

You know, Emily did a thing last year when she felt like she was buying too much shit online.

And so for a month, I think it was actually last February, for a month, anything she was going to, she caught herself buying, she just put it in an Amazon wish list and saved it.

And then at the end of the month, she went back and looked at everything she didn't buy that she wanted to buy.

And she was like, I'll buy whatever I still want.

And she almost bought none of it.

Oh, wow.

Like almost all of her.

She's like, didn't want that.

Don't need that.

That was a dumb idea.

Don't care.

You know,

found that, didn't need to buy it anyway.

And yeah, it was wild.

Interesting.

I think even having like a 24-hour cooldown would be interesting.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

It's just preventing me from getting like tortas.

Like, and I want a torta.

I want one so bad.

Martenio's fun.

It's going to be great, man.

Well, I think that'll do us for Anma.

Good episode.

Fun episode.

We're back.

Baby.

Seven more episodes after this one.

Will we have Big Mike Purdle on?

He doesn't drink coffee.

That sounds like it's time for a bird.

We must meet his demands if we're going to get

a bird on it.

I love it.

I can't wait.

Have him send his rider over, and

we'll get to work on it.

I definitely want.

Mike has been here for so long.

I want him to be on this show.

I want to go get a burger with him.

It's just going to be fun.

Well, he's like the official and the fact-checker.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

When we were doing the break show in like the afternoons, he's like, listen to the episode today.

All right.

Here's where you guys need to go.

Here's what you got wrong.

And you just go, thanks, Mike.

He's like, it was actually on the left side of the street.

You're completely like, it's so specific.

It rhymes.

But he's right.

He's right.

That's why we have to get him on the show.

People are like, oh, oh, you got to have Gavin back on.

No way, baby.

We want Big Mike Turtle.

Yep.

So you can follow us at Anima Podcast on Instagram and on Twitter.

You can go to r slash Anima Podcast, the subreddit.

Let us know.

If you come to Austin, check out NFTs, send us some pictures, stuff like that.

Like, that's been my favorite part of this show is people going, I had like a two-day trip to Austin and I checked out these six places and I hated this one, but the other five are great.

It's like, I kind of, I love that.

No one hates any of our suggestions.

No way, baby.

We got good suggestions.

But any wise words?

Any thoughts for the people at home?

Oh, man.

I don't know.

Go to anarchymeanthing.com.

Check out my hard work.

There you go.

Working harder, not smarter.

Well, let us know what the presidential average is, and that'll be our new president's day.

Oh, please.

I forgot.

I'm excited again.