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Okay, this is episode 71 of

highway 71. We're right by 180.
Did you plan this? This is episode 100. Did you do this? Eric, did you do this? This is episode 35.
You sell 180 app.

Different show.

We're at

Radio East, and last time we had Mum Foods BBQ, and we talked about you guys knowing each other for 25 years, talked about Satanic Panic, Web Rings, Penny Arcade, Stinky Wary, and the March of Technology.

But that was all last time. Good morning, Gus.
Yo.

I forgot to mention guest books when I've talked about how shitty guests used to be. We should have an anima guest book that you can do.
Did you visit our website? Visit all that stuff.

That's such a good idea. God, that's such a good idea.
Yeah,

I should do more with that, anarchymeanything.com.

Yeah. We should just do a guest book.
We should do a 1998-style

website. That's such a good idea.
Yeah. That is such a good idea.

Is it going going to sound like we planned this or something. This is spontaneous.

Can we do that? Can we have like a like what was before PHP BB?

Oh, man. It was like, I don't know.

I mean, that's what we started with, Rooster Teeth. I don't remember.
I guess we could do that. Can we just have like a little forum? Yeah, it'd be PHP.
And a guest book. Yeah.

That's awesome. An under construction animated gift.
Hey, let me ask you guys a question.

Is this the first place we've been a repeat customer of? Like, because we did the other radio, right? We did the other one, yeah. So we've done two, uh, two of of the establishment.

There haven't been any others that we've done. Epic.
That's right. We did two epics.
You're right. So that was the first.

Was there another? No.

Have we done Houndstooth yet? There's a thousand of those. We did Houndstooth yet.
We did one of them. But we haven't done more of them.
Okay.

No, but we're at Radio East, and this is a place you guys have never fucking been before. This isn't East.
What are you talking about? We're by the airport. Yeah.

It is about as East as it gets. I mean,

any East.

I feel like nobody in Austin would look at this on the map and go like, yeah, that's East Austin. Yeah.

They'd be like, that's a fucking no man's land. Where the fuck are they? It's like in the middle of a bunch of industrial parks, like just warehouses.
I see white cap construction and safety supplies.

I think Calendar Club used to be down the road from here a little bit. I was about to say, if you lived in Austin in the 90s and early 2000s and you had a part-time job, Calendar Club is right there.

You remember it. That's where you worked.

Jeff said, this was a no man's land for a long time, just a bunch of industrial parks. Our servers used to be hosted not too far, a little up the road from here.

The call center used to be a little down the road, but I mean, it's really,

there's nothing to do, or there was nothing to do out here. That's why it's so strange to see Radio East.
There were three things over here, right? There was a McDonald's, still is.

There was Happy Taco. Yeah.

And then there was the post office. And those are the three things to do on Orlson in the 90s.
We may have mentioned this before. That is the most intimidating-looking post office in the world.

It is just like pure government, brutalist architecture. There is nothing.
I mean, it is. People aren't nice.
People are weak and people reflect the architecture. Yeah,

it's really a testament to government work. It's amazing it's still open.
Hey, I uh so I was uh did they move that McDonald's? I'm sorry to see no I think it's still there.

No, no, but like they moved it because they moved Burleson or Drosset.

They moved Burleson because it used to intersect with Ben White a little differently and then they moved the street so that like it used to cross over and then they moved where it intersected Ben White like down a little bit because it used to be a really much more dangerous dangerous intersection.

Yeah, it was pretty. We'll have to drive over and look at that after this because I don't remember.

I was listening to an old episode the other day, which I never, ever do. I never listen to myself in content.
Don't look back.

Yeah, I'm not, I hate, I hate it. I start to second,

like most people do. I start to second guess my own career when I hear myself talk.
And I hear things that I say that sounded funny or insightful.

And then I hear me say them, and they sound stupid and weak.

So I tend to avoid it. But for whatever reason, I wanted to listen to this.
And so I put on an episode the other day. It just happened to be the one where we were on South First.

I don't remember the name of the coffee shop. Once Over or Once.

Like the one we did the other day, like a couple weeks ago. Yeah, right by the water.
Yeah.

That episode, we were eating sticky buns at the beginning. The little.
You remember you had the day off? Yeah, I got my 50% off. Yeah.
I now, because of that, promise I will never eat on camera.

Oh, wow. Again, for the rest of the week, did you listen to it and you said this is too much? I hated it.

The first like five minutes, it was fine after we finished, but I like, oh, I get it. I'm so sorry.
I was so stubborn about that for so many years, but I finally grossed myself out. Okay.

I can't ever. That's why when I said, I'm going to, I'm going to destroy this taco before I pick up the microphone.

There's a Veracruz taco truck here. We all got a taco.

Still

the best tacos in Austin. So good.
Love them. That Migas Poblanas taco is so fucking good.

It's so, their green sauce is so good. Their red sauce is scary.
It's great. Not so.
Oh, it's great. They have an L-traditional, which is like bean and cheese and egg and bacon.

And let me tell you something, man.

Eggs and refried beans need to go together more often. So good.
Such a great combination. What the fuck were you guys talking about at length? Walking away from the Veracruz? Oh.
Jesus Christ.

I was near the conversation. Didn't know where it started.
Couldn't find the edge to get in. The way it worked when we ordered the tacos,

we all walked up there. Well, first we ordered the coffee, the taco trucks outside, and I asked Eric if you wanted a taco, because I was going to go get them.

And then Eric said he would just come with us. And so all three of us went.
And then the way it played out was Eric walked up to order first, then Jeff ordered, and I ordered third.

As you were paying, Jeff asked me, why didn't you order in Spanish? Because in the past, I know other times we'll go to like a taco truck. I will order in Spanish.

Well, I also feel like if you order in Spanish at that place, you're going to like... You're going to level up your food a little bit, you know?

See, and you ended up with an onion you didn't want. Yeah, there was.
Instead of, you got a fucking, you got an errant onion.

So, Jeff asked me, why didn't I order in Spanish? Why did I order in English? And then that's where we started, that was the jumping off point.

I said, since I was third, I felt like the transaction was already established as an English transaction. So I didn't want to disrupt the flow.

I said, if I had been the first to order, I probably would have ordered in Spanish and then you all could have changed it.

These are so, as someone who's not bilingual, I just find these moments so interesting when you have to, you make a decision about how you're going to navigate a situation like that language-wise.

And Gus was also saying that he gets tripped up sometimes because do you say breakfast taco in English and then order

Spanish, yeah, and then order in Spanish or do you, because there's not like breakfast taco isn't a phrase in Spanish.

Well, it's not a thing. What do you mean? Breakfast tacos are like a Texas thing or like a Tex-Mex thing.
I don't think you get breakfast tacos in Mexico. It's just eggs and stuff in a taco.

Right, but the phrase, the dish, breakfast taco, is not a thing. So say it in Spanish.
It would be like, un taco de el muerzo. But which is not a thing.
Right. I say.
A taco for breakfast.

So he's like, do I say breakfast taco in English and then order in Spanish? Or do I convert that part? Right. And it's just like, I get it.

It's got to be culturally confusing because you want a taco for breakfast.

With potato, egg, and cheese. Cone.
Yeah.

So it's just like lots of things like that. And then I was telling him, then we continued.
I swear, this podcast is not a stinky dragon promotion podcast, but I'm okay if it is. I like that show.

Sometimes, like when Micah writes, tells him a stinky dragon, he draws a lot of names from other languages. So sometimes there's like German, French, Spanish.

And then when we're recording, lots of times, if there are Spanish names, I'll get tripped up because then mentally it's like, do I commit to pronouncing this in Spanish or do I pronounce it in English with a Spanish accent?

And then my brain splits the difference sometimes and I'll do 50-50 in one word or in like a string of words together. And it just comes across super confusing.

And I end up having to like retake it because I'm not consciously thinking about it. And I end up just all over the place fucking it up.
Can I ask you a question that

I'm genuinely curious about and I hope it doesn't come across as insensitive in any way.

These are the good ones. Do you, if you could only speak in one of those two languages, which one would you prefer? Like which language do you like better? English or Spanish?

So

it's well obviously we're here in Texas, right?

Or where we are in Austin. I've got to speak English all the time.
You mean like if I'm not saying that

if you could change the world or like if you could just change your environment and just say like I'm going to speak Spanish and everybody around me speaks Spanish or I'll speak English and everybody around me speaks English.

Which is I'm just I'm just curious I guess which one you prefer? Like, which one's more fun to say?

Which one's, because I know sometimes you dream in Spanish, sometimes you dream in English. So, like, like, which one is, I guess, tickles your subconscious? English is way more familiar.

I mean, I almost never get a chance to speak Spanish these days. So, I mean, that's going to be like the default go-to.

I think I like, there is some flexibility in Spanish I like a bit more that doesn't exist in English. So, sometimes I think that it's, it, it makes more sense.

But, I mean, I've just, I speak, I've spoken English 99% of my life. So, that's what I'm going to stick with.
I feel like a lot of the English language is pedantic, you know?

And I don't know how to back that up or give examples. It's just a...
I would say,

I think it's because English is

so cobbled together from other languages.

You know, you've got silent letters. You've got multiple words that are spelled identical, but all pronounced differently.
I think I feel very fortunate that my parents...

You know, when I was really young, my parents first started teaching me Spanish as a first language. Then they stopped and they switched me to English.

And I'm very thankful that they did that because looking at English, it seems like it would be impossible to try to learn as a second language.

The rules are not super strict, right? There's always exceptions to rules. Words aren't always pronounced the way they look.

There's so many words that, like I said, are spelled exactly the same and then pronounced different.

That's the thing that pisses me off about a lot of Americans who are intransigent about learning or accepting additional languages. The English language is kind of a dog shit language, right?

It's kind of like a patchwork of languages cobbled together that's incredibly difficult to learn, that contradicts itself constantly, right?

But then, like, American, most other languages, I think, make more sense. Yeah.

From a just sit down to learn it.

And so anybody that speaks a different language, like Spanish or German, but also speaks English, they had a way harder road to get to those two languages than any American who's a native English speaker would have trying to jump into a second language.

Yet Americans are so fucking bullheaded and stupid about how you should speak their language and all the other languages are inferior. But really we have the shittiest language.

And if anybody took the time to learn English, they're smarter than me because I didn't take the time to learn a second language. I probably couldn't because I'm a fucking dumbass.
Right.

So anybody that speaks two languages where English is one of them should have,

I don't know, should have all the respect in the world. It's, it's,

this touches on something I think about a lot.

Like I watch, you know, whenever I watch reality TV or something and you see someone on who's not very articulate or not very eloquent, it's like, man, that must be really frustrating when it's like you have one language and you're confined to that extent by it.

I think other languages are... can also be difficult.
Like you said, you know, I don't know how easy it is to pick up another language this late in life.

But I started trying to teach myself how to read Korean a few months ago.

I learned how to read it basically in like two weeks, and then you can learn pretty much to read anything within like a month just because it's such language wise it's a very modern language and was built to be learned to read very easily I don't know what the fuck I'm saying but I can read it I can pick up like a Korean newspaper and read it like a little kid reading newspapers like you could walk around Seoul and get around just based on reading signs and stuff like you have enough familiarity I watched a Korean reality show a couple weeks ago on Netflix called Devil's Plan yeah and I think you talked about that here yeah and I was very happy with myself because it was like the first time where I was watching a Korean television show.

And as they had like the Chiron song with people's names and occupation, I could read everyone's name and I could read their occupations and I knew what they did.

So it helped me remember people's names. Like, oh, this guy's name is whatever, and he's the actor, or this woman is a singer, and you know, that this is her name.

And I thought that was a really cool experience. That's awesome.
Yeah. So if you want to try to learn one to read,

I'd recommend trying to learn to read Create. It's pretty easy to learn to read.
Do you think there's something to

certain people just have a knack for it? Or do you think it's just a focus and sort of thing?

Yes to both. Yeah.
Like, I think that, I think there is sort of like a perseverance where you can get through and like really like learn whatever language or whatever.

But I have a friend who is living in Japan right now, but he's lived in Korea. He's lived in Africa.
He's lived in Colombia.

And he's taught English in all these places because he learned Spanish and he learned Korean and he learned Japanese and his first language was Polish and his second language was English and he just has like a knack for this stuff and and I wonder if it is like when you learn two languages so young if that really helps because man I don't think I could learn a language right now to save my life I think once you have the foundation like you said yeah if you're if you're young and you get that mental flexibility I think that really helps

open your mind up to be more receptive to things like that. Yeah, it's interesting.
I do think there's a natural propensity to it. Like my ex-wife,

she spoke three languages And

she learned French and German in high school and right after high school. And she was really proficient in both of those languages.

And I mean, not so much because she didn't keep up with it, but she could sit down and spend like a week paying attention to it and then suddenly be pretty good with it again. And

I guess by watching her, I learned that some people just have a natural ability that other people do not have. She had it in a way that I don't.
Millie,

she went to a French immersion preschool.

Not because I was trying to be like a super dad or anything, but it was because it was the only preschool that was available.

You love French. Yeah, yeah.
French loves French. I mean, the idea of Millie picking up a second language was awesome too, but the reality of having a kid...

Like the way it works in Austin, and I think it works this way in most other major metropolitan areas.

If you want to put your kid in preschool, you need to sign up for preschool at least three years before you have your kid because the waiting lists are ridiculous.

And so we were able to sneak her into this French emergent school and she did that for 40 years and

was okay with French, but has never really displayed an interest or propensity for it since. Doesn't really remember anything she learned.
And I know that like,

like I was even talking to Nico about this, a friend of ours who's French. And he was saying like,

the way you learn to make the sounds in your mouth at an early age,

she'll have an ability that will, she'll always be able to pick up later. Like her mouth will be able to form sounds and like tongue movements and stuff that you don't do in English.

And that'll always, like, she'll, it'll be like riding a bike. She'll be able to pick that up again at any time she wants to.
But I, I watched her take Spanish. I watched her go through high school.

And I just don't think she's the kind of person that.

has that. Like that either wants to or has it like her mother did.
And I just, I just think some people are naturally gifted and others aren't.

Well, I think, you know, it's also easy to not learn another language in the United States. I've been doing that great for almost 40 years.
The United States is so big

and there's so many English speakers.

Like, you know, compared to Europe where you have much smaller countries, like states here in the United States, like much smaller countries bordering each other speak different languages.

Like you're going to pick up a little bit. You're going to hear it.

Here, it's like you'll hear Spanish, but even Austin, I feel like, has a very small Spanish-speaking population, especially compared to like San Antonio.

So you can live your day-to-day life and not really hear it all that often.

So I think it's just a lack of exposure and a lack of that makes that

removes any desire or need to branch out and learn anything else. Well, also, it's like even if you travel abroad, so

my chair keeps sinking under the ground.

Like I just went to Italy for three weeks or two weeks last spring. And Emily learned Duolingo.
She learned Italian on Duolingo for a year before we did that.

We went to Italy for two weeks, spoke English to everybody the entire time we were there. She never even had an opportunity.

It's pretty easy to be insulated as an as an English-speaking American because almost everybody speaks English. Right.
And that's the point.

Almost everybody bothered to learn our language and speaks it as well or damn near as well as people that speak it, that were born speaking it and speak it every fucking day.

I just think Americans should stop being so fucking proud of themselves. You know what I mean?

It's always the person online that writes a huge essay, and at the very bottom, they go, I apologize for my English.

It's not my first language, and it is like the most eloquently written thing. And you go, oh, I don't even think I can write like this.

And it's getting worse. I was, you know, there was that

Alaska Airlines flight that

lost the door the other day. And I was reading, someone had posted about it on Reddit.
I was reading the post this morning. And

they were explaining that the black box, the copper voice recorder, had been overridden. What? Overriding

two hours? Over R-I-D-D-E-N. No.
Yeah, and I was like, oh, this is bad. Like, this is someone with like an interest in aviation who's like getting into this, and they don't know that it's overwritten.

They think it's overridden. Well, dude, I mean, I'm not trying to get political, but we have Congress people and senators who don't understand the English language and don't understand grammar.

Like, we'd,

three out of every ten Marjorie Taylor Greene Twitters are crucifixions of the English language. Yeah, but she's just like me, baby.

But I also wonder, you know, there's that thing that people do online, which I hate, where they say, you know, if you make mistakes in your subtitling and your captioning or you make spelling mistakes, like it drives engagement.

It does. Which it does, but that's infuriating because then it like it's it reinforces that.
It's and it drives up the wrong kind of engagement.

It does, but but when your bottom line is number get big, there's no wrong kind of engagement. Yeah, it sucks.
Number get,

I mean, that's what it is.

Welcome to Anma. Number stay small.
Yeah, good. Small but good.
Small but good number.

Last week, before I recorded Anima, I was looking at, there was a Stinky Dragon social post that was going to go out a video, and it was submitted for, you know, to double check the captions and everything because

I do not want to get that kind of engagement. I don't want the bad spelling or the negative engagement.
And I went over that thing with a fine-tooth comb.

It was like a 55-second video, but I was pausing it every like every time the captions changed to read everything like three times to make sure it was all right because I didn't want to put it out with a mistake because I didn't want to drive that negative engagement.

Also, you don't want to look fucking stupid. Right.
Like, how about we just don't look stupid? Right. How about we look competent? Yeah.
How about we look competent when we write and speak?

The reading three times thing is something that I learned.

I wish I'd learned earlier, but like learned in college where it's if you can read it three times and you're getting through it and you're not seeing the mistake, then great, then there's probably not a mistake.

But if you're seeing it the first, you're not seeing it the first time, but then you see it the second time, you're like, oh shit, oh shit. It like, I don't know why it just pays to read three times.

There was, in fact, there was one frame in that video I was just talking about where the subtitle was, you know, whatever. It was a series of words.

Then it went to the next series of words and I read it and it was fine. Everything's fine.
Then I read it a second time and I thought, there's something weird here.

So I went back and looked at the previous words. It's like, oh, the last two words from that frame are the same as the first two words on this next frame.

And it's like, I didn't see it the first time, but then the second time I was like, oh, that's wrong. I learned in journalism school that there is always a mistake.

That there's no such thing as a perfectly written anything. And a journalist or an editor can always find a way to improve.

It was the most frustrating thing going through journalism school. You go through,

there's a, like you go through journalism school in the Army, right? And there's a lot of foundational stuff they build up and they build up, and then you get to what's called feats.

And feats is features, when you're talking about features.

And that's when it gets hard, and that's when they start dropping

students.

Journalism school in the Army, I think we've talked about this, but it had the second highest suicide rate in the military when I was in behind air traffic controllers, which we've talked about.

But it also had the second highest drop rate. Like only about 55% of the people I went to journalism school with graduated.

So I never expected to graduate because I was a C minus student my entire life and shit was getting hard. And they do this thing where you write your first feature and then

they grade bomb it like you wouldn't believe. Like they intentionally try to.
Yes. And they do it for the first three, right?

And so I went to journalism school with a woman named Dee who had already gone through, was an Army journalist, got out, worked in the private sector, had some difficulty, decided to go back in, but she had been out long enough that they made her go through journalism school again and AIT again.

And so she was able to to give me a lot of pointers and help me out. She got a 60 on the first feats.
I got a 25. Dikes.
I got the third. Out of 100? Yeah, I got the third highest grade in the class.

There were people that got like negative 70. Negative.
There were, like, I want to say there were maybe 21 people in my class. One person got a D, D, D got a D on feats one.
I got a 29.

I think this this girl I was friends with named Gina got like a 37 or something. I got a 25.
And then

maybe 15 of the other 21 people got under zero. I thought the range was zero to 100.
I didn't realize they were negative.

No, they would go into the negatives to just to show you how bad you were, to just beat the shit out of you.

Like it's a lot of what the army is, is just like reducing you down to dog shit, you know, so you can build yourself back up or they can build you back up, quote unquote.

But yeah, I never thought I was going to be a journalist because I thought when everybody thought like when feats hits, you're gone. And about half of the people left.

But anyway, that just triggered that memory, Gus talking about.

So do they leave or do they get kicked out? You reclass. Like my best friend in journalism.
I don't know what that means. Like, is that a voluntary thing?

No. So what happens is if you wash out, if you drop out.

Like my best friend in the Army, a guy named Mike, who was smart enough to go through journalism school, but he had some personal problems in his outside Army life that distracted him and he just wasn't able to focus.

And so what happens is if you fail out, out,

you go back to a recruiter and they go, okay, you're still in the army. You still have a four and a half year commitment.
Where do you want to go? And then you figure out what you're going to do next.

He became a cartographer. A lot of people went to work in the mail room.
Some people reclassed into infantry or like supply, just all over anywhere.

But yeah, when I was in, it may not be the case anymore, but when I was in the army, I think like 58%

of the people who went through journalism school passed. And the rest had to go do other shit in the army if they didn't make it.
Wow. Yeah.
That's a, yeah, that's a, that's a, a, that's brutal.

They don't fuck around. They really don't.
And so, yeah, I think I started with 48 people, graduated 21. Do you? Is what I remember.
You feel like you learned a lot doing that, though, right?

An intense amount. Yeah.
Yeah. I don't remember any of it now.

You guys were talking about editing and reading over something three times. And I was trying to remember the process with which I marked stuff up.

And because I would read it more than three times, and there was like a there was like an order you would go through when you were looking for certain things. And I just, it's all gone.

All that memory is gone. And I couldn't do it to save my life now.
But, um, but yeah, I did. I, you, I, I, I learned a tremendous amount of stuff that stuck with me while I used it.
But yeah,

you flush all that shit down the toilet as soon as you leave. Well, it's all, it's been a long time.
Yeah. Yeah.
I got out of the army in 1998. Yeah.
So yeah. Great year.

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I don't know if you've seen this, the Alamo is being in 98. The Alamo's doing like

anniversary movies. Like, I think they're starting January, february with they're playing movies that released in 99 so like 25-year anniversary movies

um and they're doing

i don't remember 99 2004 something uh 89 yeah they're they're picking like i think like three or four years to do like throwback they're calling it alamo time capsule and the first one is 99 and it is iron giant and the matrix and then they also have 94 wow jesus christ they're showing like lion king while they're showing like all this old disney stuff too this is great i think that like the time capsule is also showing Rushmore.

Yeah. Toy Story 2.
That's crazy.

I saw this before we recorded last week and I meant to bring it up to tell you all if you're going to buy any tickets or anything.

I'm going to, I've already like got tickets to a few different showies for a few different movies. What are you going to get? I'm not going to say because.
Oh, come on, man.

There's like a lot of stuff. Stuff that I wouldn't expect either.
Like Election.

which is, I think, a beloved movie now, but when it came out, it was pretty panned. Yeah, so that's

Gus is going to go see Fight Club. You know me.
Yeah. Alexander.
I saw Fight Club by myself when I saw it in the theater. Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He was smoking cigarettes in the back and he was nodding and going, that's me. Alexander, so Election's

a movie that was directed by Alexander Payne, who is actually one of my

favorite directors, yeah. Yeah.

And

isn't that movie about sleeping with high school students? Well, no, not well, not really.

Isn't like the I just remember Matthew the guy talking about Reese Witherspoon and saying her pussy is so wild. I'm not here to talk about Election.
I'm here to talk about Alexander.

I think she was in high school.

So he also, he's directed many movies, which are, which are great, including The Holdovers, which just won a couple of Golden Globes for acting performances for Apollo Giamatti, and

The Woman Who Plays the Cook, I can't remember, Divine, I don't remember her last name,

which I saw a couple weeks ago. It is, it's a great movie.
It's one of those movies you watch and you say they don't make them like that anymore. Like, they totally adopted.

The movie's set in 1971, and they adopted the aesthetic that's like, like this movie could have come out in 1971.

And they really like leaned into it and it's even the story, you know, nowadays it's like everything's this grandiose story, there's a lot going on. It's, it's a,

this sounds like an insult, but it's a small story, which is fine. It's good.
It's a small story that's told really well.

It's really like... This is the holdovers? Yeah, the holdovers.
Really great character work.

You know, I think Paul Giamatti and Divine, sorry, I don't remember her last name, both deserve the golden glove. They were fantastic performances.
The other

lead Dominic, I think his name's Dominic Sessa, maybe. He's like his first time acting.
I don't know why he didn't get nominated too. He did a great job in his role.

Highly recommend it if you're like, if you're really, it's a movie person's movie. Okay.
It's not like you're going to go watch a blockbuster or eat a bunch of popcorn. It's really,

it's really just made for like the love of film. Okay.
Can I recommend something I just started last night that I've immediately fallen in love with? You guys may be well aware of already.

Have you guys seen Dark Winds at all? No, I've seen the commercial. It's an AMC show, right? Holy shit.
That show is good.

Fucking good. And the thing that triggered it about you reminded me, it takes place in the 70s.
And so, but it's on like an Indian reservation. So there's a lot of like driving around.

It's either New Mexico or Arizona because they mentioned Flagstaff a bunch. I think it's New Mexico.
But they drive around the desert a lot.

And so there's a lot of like GMC Jimmys and like El Caminos. Well, El Camino, not for the desert, but like just old 70s period cars that are so fun fun to watch.

And it's so easy to get like sucked in to that time, I guess, because they do such a good job of displaying it. But also, it's a phenomenal show and you should watch.
It's kind of like.

It's like three seasons now, right? I think it just got picked up for season three. Season one and two are out.
It was actually very difficult to watch.

It said it was available on Amazon Prime if I bought AMC Plus through it. So I did.
And they only had season two available. It just said season one unavailable for some reason.

So I had to cancel that and then go over, right?

And the only reason I started watching it there is because I watched the first episode for free on like Paramount Plus or somewhere else, but it didn't have more available.

And so then I just had to download AMC Plus and then buy it, buy AMC Plus so I could watch it, which I guess I should have done from the beginning. Yeah.

I just like my buddies told me about it, like they watched on Amazon. So I was like, yeah, I'll just figure it out that way.
But

anyway, it's really, really, really, really, really good. It's kind of

like

supernatural, twin peaky a little bit, but darker and less

silly at all, windier.

A lot of, yeah, it's really, it's really, really good. I'm only two episodes in, so I don't, I don't know too much about it.
So far, so good. There was a, I hear it gets better.
There was a

joke. I know I mentioned this all the time to you guys.

I'm watching all of the episodes of The Simpsons. I'm on like season 30 right now.

There was a joke a couple episodes ago where they're talking to some network executive, and he's talking about how he's like revealed cable TV's master evil master plan which is just to fool people into thinking that there are shows that exist that they could watch but that don't actually exist and He's just like Royal Pains.

You know what you ever have you do you know anyone who's ever seen that show?

It doesn't exist and then Homer's like but it's on the USA network the executive says the USA network hasn't existed since the 90s

It's just like this illusion of all these shows you've heard of and when he's talking about dark winds it's what it makes me think of like it's a show I'm aware of I've seen commercials for it but I've never seen it and I've never talked to anyone who's ever watched it.

There's just so many shows out there, it's easy for stuff to get lost. It really is.
Like,

that's how I found it, actually, is we're caught up or through

everything

that we want to watch right now. With the exception of Slow Horses, everybody keeps telling me Slow Horses is good.

We watched the first episode, it was fine, but I just not feeling it, not feeling like watching it right now.

And so we were just going through, just mindlessly browsing, and then finally landing on Dark Winds. I'm so glad I did.
That's one of the reasons I

still watch award shows like the Golden Globes or the Emmys or whatever. Simpsons won, right?

I think it won the best anime. It wasn't on the broadcast.
Yeah, they did. But I tried to see what's winning awards.

Maybe that's something I can watch. That's how I started watching Breaking Bad.
I was aware of it. And then I knew Shannon had a bit role on it.
And then it won a bunch of awards.

And I was like, oh, maybe I should give Breaking Bad. Training was like in season two or something.
And I was like, oh, it's a really good show.

Yeah, there were a bunch of dramatic mini-series or whatever that they showed. And Emily and I were like, we haven't seen any of these, and they all look shitty.

Like, we didn't want to watch any of them. Yeah, that's a thing.
Like, it was seriously, it was like, oh, oh.

The only one that looked good was like, oh, Fargo, I forgot. We used to watch Fargo.
We're going to try that. But everything else just looked completely uninteresting.
Yeah. So, I don't know.

Well, that's a... We're spoiled.
It's a lot of choice.

I think at this point, it is a lot of choice. We're spoiled.
Yeah, yeah. And we have access to everything, you know,

in a way that we didn't used to. I

recently been watching a lot of music videos, like just putting on like a channel that's like, here's just 80s music videos, and just like kind of like letting them go. And

I remember when that was just...

How you did it. That was it.
There was a whole network for that. It was just...

Your tube.

It was just, this was it. This was the whole thing.
Going back to it feels good. And then it starts repeating, and you go, I don't want to see these again.
Yeah.

I did something similar the other day where Hulu, I don't know if it's just Hulu or Hulu Plus, but Hulu has these Vivo channels. Yeah.
And I popped on one of those, and it was just B52's videos.

And I forgot how entertaining they were just to watch, you know?

What is that song?

Mercury. What is that song?

It begins with a kiss.

Rome? Yeah, Rome. That's it.
Can you believe I got that? No, I thought you were talking about the killers, Mr. Bright saw it.

That Rome music video is so fun to watch. It's also like nine minutes long.
It's been for a while, but you forget just how entertaining music videos were. They were artists.
Artists Artists.

How much fun they were. Yeah, artists making something.
Well, that's cool.

There was that renaissance of music videos in the late 90s, where it was like Spike Jones, Michelle Gondry, like making these absolutely wild fucking music videos.

And I feel like that was the last hurrah. That was the last gasp.
And then the internet blew up and kind of came along, and then it just really wasn't as big of a deal anymore.

You know, an interesting thing about it, too, is, and I don't know if this is good or bad, but I listen to a ton of music. Eric, you know, we have our little music episodes when Gus takes his breaks.

And I listen to more music than I ever have, or as much as I ever have.

And the death of the music video, even with social media, because I'm not big on social media, I realize now I don't know what musicians I listen to look like.

I really, like, I listened to this lady, Terra Wack. I've never seen her.
I'm a huge fan of this guy, drug dealer. I have no clue what he looks like.

Because I don't see, because I don't see music videos anymore, you know? I don't get to see Fred Schneider belting it out. It's crazy, too.

I tweeted about it recently, but like Lady Gaga's, Gaga's like first couple music videos are shot in standard definition.

Oh, wow. They're shot in standard.
And it's not like they're old. It's 2010, 2009, something like that.
That's just what it was. That was standard definition was just, that was it.

HD took a long time to take off. A long time, and then we finished.

It feels like we did HD, and then everyone went, well, this will just take us through the end of time, I think. Yeah.
That's like when you go back and you watch a movie from 2006 or 2007.

Like I think Bewitched I saw on TV a while back.

And you go, they have 4-3 TVs on set.

Like, this doesn't feel,

that's Will Farrell. This doesn't feel like that long ago.

It's weird that some of the, like,

that movie was probably shot on film. Yeah.

That's fucking crazy. Yeah, like a movie.
It's like Will Farrell and Nicole Kidman and Bewitched was, the Bewitched movie was probably shot on film. Probably.
That's fucking.

That means it'll be preserved for future generations, no matter what the resolution we move to.

It's crazy when you watch movies that like moved to digital and there was just like this little span of like, this looks fucking bad. And then all of a sudden it was like, oh, never mind.

It looks the same. Yeah, we got there.
Yep. Should we tell stories about where we are? Ooh, yeah.

Sure, we're like in, it's Radio East, but we're down way to west Austin.

We're like, are we close to the paintball woods?

Maybe. Yeah, we are, actually.
Maybe just

over that way a little bit. Yeah, we used to play Bernie and Gus and I.
I worked at the Texas. When I play, it was like, that's when we tried to see if we

kept getting shot. Remember you guys talking about that? It was right over here.
Uh-huh. And it sucks.

Gus mentioned the parking lot right over there where Bernie met us at one in the morning to yell at us.

It was behind the building where we eventually housed the Rooster Teeth servers. They're not there anymore.
It's all in the cloud. The parking lot where Bernie yelled at us at one in the morning.

It was right over there.

We were driving by it. Guess what? Oh, you see where that excavator is? Right behind that.
and jeff went how do you fucking remember

it's just funny to me because even looking back at it now it's like bold move

bold move to yell at two guys in a parking lot at one in the morning who don't give a fuck

you think i don't give a fuck now man you should have known me

didn't give a fuck then it's like man i could have gone that could have gone a lot of ways

um

the call center is not too far down the road too uh that mermaid's hot tub rental he's talking about we've also

right around the corner over here oh shit uh jeff spit out a toothbrush. Let's talk about ice.
Let's talk about mermaid.

Just used to go there all the time. Jeff, shut up.

I think we've mentioned it on the show before, and I think that's the exact joke that Jeff told last time.

That's just my memory. I just remember him.
Like, what are you doing tonight? He's like, I'm going to swing by mermaid. Shut the hell up.
There was a place down from there called Happy Taco.

We used to always get our breakfast tacos from.

Man, I look every now and then. Jeff's chair is sinking.
I don't know what the hell's going on.

Every now and then,

I know it'll be impossible, but every now and then I look to see if I can find a happy taco shirt online. Oh, that'd be awesome.
Because

it was always the same woman who worked there, but it had like, it just said like happy taco and like

this like flocked lettering. And then under it was like a side view of a taco that was smiling, had like little arms and legs.
I was like, oh man. It was adorable.
It was really adorable.

I would love to have a happy taco shirt. It sucks when you can't find stuff like that.
Like I was mentioning to you guys in the car earlier. I watched Hello Dolly for the first time over the weekend.

It's one of Emily's favorite musicals. And I'm not a musical guy.

Absolutely loved it. Barbara Streisand was phenomenal in it.
Michael Crawford was awesome.

But in that, like that whole movie centers around a restaurant called Harmonia Gardens that is fictional, but it's like the point of the movie is getting her to Harmonia Gardens, kind of.

And the whole movie, it kind of like happens in that. They're in that restaurant for like 30 minutes, 40 minutes of the movie, right?

And I thought, because Emily's birthday is coming up, and I feel safe saying this on the podcast because she doesn't listen to this podcast, I don't think.

I thought, oh, I'm going to get her something from Harmonia Gardens like a t-shirt or like something a cute kachachi that she'll be like this shows I pay attention and I care and I love her and I'm thinking outside the box so I started looking

no luck I can't find Harmonia Gardens shit anywhere and you would think a movie as big as that

and it being such a central piece like Etsy or somewhere eBay would have some sort of a something really nothing that's wild so if you know of any harmonia gardens

let me know just start looking up funny girl merch or something man you're yeah she likes she likes she doesn't like barbaristreisand she likes hella Dolly. Oh, okay.
All right.

I thought maybe there was like a crossover. I don't know if she dislikes Barbara Streisand.
She probably loves Barbara Bollywood. Barb Streisand's character, Dolly.
I've never seen the movie.

Yeah, okay. Yeah.

It's a...

She's basically like a matchmaker who goes to Yonkers to try to land a rich store owner and in the process helps a bunch of other people fall in love. Why are all these movies set in Yonkers?

I guess Yonkers was the place to be back then. Because like Guys and Dolls also, right? It's like they're going to Yonkers.
Yeah, I think Yonkers. I don't really know that because

Yonkers must have been a hot spot. I was reading about it.
They didn't actually film Hello Dolly in Yonkers because it was too modern.

They filmed it in the city of Garrison, New York, because it looked old-timey and Victorian, which makes me want to go to Garrison, New York.

It must be right by the Hudson because it's like under the water. It's gorgeous.
Garrison, New York probably doesn't look like that anymore. You have to find another.
Yeah, maybe. I don't know.

Yeah, probably not. The movies came out in 69.

They might have updated Garrison. Maybe.
Well, yeah, but I mean, all the old Victorian architecture and the buildings and the cute little town square probably looks the same.

Yeah, I mean, it's all the same around here. This is not the same.
You can't compare. What do you think this place looked like in 1969? I mean there was nothing out there.

What did it look like in 2004? What the fuck was this? This is a big empty parking lot? No, this was a

field.

Okay, so that's what we should probably talk about here. And then we talk about the coffee and everything.

We walked in. There's a front.

There's a big parking lot on the side. We walk into the front.
There's a few food trucks and everything. And

it looks really cool when you walk up. Super just like, oh, wow, really nice.
And you walk in, you get a cup of coffee and everything. And I say, oh, we got to go up back.

The back of this place is like a football field. It's so fucking big back here.
And there's nothing back here.

It stops halfway. And then it's just a, I guess you have like your dog run around in the corner over here.
Or your kid or something. The tech support company we used to work at moved over here.

I recognize this road name. Really? I don't know if they're still there, but yeah, they moved to like they're a different name now, right? TNI or something else, huh? They were.
Oh, that's crazy.

They were. They were.
I don't know if they're still here, but like, I just recognize this road. Like, I know where we are now because there was nothing here before.

I mean, this is a place you guys would have been at a lot. Yeah, I think if this existed back then, absolutely.
They got a place to drink coffee and booze.

It's much the same way we talked about how if Annie's Day and Night existed on Riverside and we lived over there. Which? Close down.
I think Annie's Day and Night rest in peace.

Yeah, it's on the Austin subreddit last week that they got locked out for non-payment of rent.

Unfortunately, our podcast has lived long enough to see a lot of the places we've frequented go under. It keeps happening.

All gimmicks is gone, but it's coming back, supposedly. I'll look it up.

Maybe if our numbers were big, we could help these places stay afloat. We better start misspelling some shit.
Making people mad. They have some hot takes.
Welcome to Amna Podcast.

Annie's Day and Night didn't make it. We's the Meta.
Cozy Kitchen.

We've Cozy Kitchen closed down. They're moving, though.
But they don't even have a new location yet.

Like, Liberty Launch was moving, and they didn't have a new location. And last time I checked, they're still moving and looking for a new location.
That's not a good sign. They should come out here.

Oh, interesting.

uh it looks like all gimmicks was doing pop-up stuff for a little bit in a couple different places

so maybe they're still maybe all gimmicks is still around all gimmicks let us know let us know where you are where are you coffee yeah where are you maybe not this moment because i'm already drinking a coffee um coffee's pretty good here yeah um Plus, I mean, I can't fall this place, got a Veracruz, got a little QR code you can order and pay here.

I'm all about it.

What did you think of, I mean, the music's so fucking loud. We are far away from it, and you might still be able to hear it.
Don't need that much music at 9 in the morning, 10 in the morning. No, no.

Not unless I get to pick it. They got like a playground with one thing on it.
Yes.

A little half-dome thing to

crawl around on. But they have a bunch of fire pits back here.
There's even more chairs. There's a stage.
There's a stage. There's an airstream behind the stage that's locked off.
You can't get to.

Patio, all this stuff. I'd only been here before with some friends who we just came for drinks.
And I'm like, oh, this place open and it's sort of equidistant from where we all are. And

we just came for a couple of drinks. And it was like, what the, like, what the fuck is this place? Couldn't believe how much real estate there is here.
Well, yeah, there was nothing.

But it is the first time I've had the coffee here.

Jeff, what did you think of your coffee? You got the iced coffee.

That's fine. Eight? Yeah.
Eight flat, eight even. Probably similar to what I gave Radio Prime or whatever they call that one.

Just fine. Is it an eight?

Yeah, it's good. It's good.
It's an eight. It's not like it's.

It seems like great inflation. So, so incredible.
No, it's like it's so incredible. And eight, like a B? Just fine is like seven.
No, no, no, no. In Austin, a B is just fine.
The quality is so high.

This would be the best cup of coffee in Gross Point, Michigan.

I will say, I think...

I think a B in Austin is

it's flying colors.

That's really good. It's really sort of the quality.
Maybe we should reset the benchmark

and the bar.

This is eight out of ten. Which is just fine.

That's fine.

What did you think? I see why Bernie got so mad at you now.

He was mad at me. He was mad at you.
He was mad at you?

He was mad at both of us.

It's weird how you're always a packaged deal, huh? Yeah.

The names will start with G. It's really confusing.

He had less tattoos back then. It made more sense.
True. Oh, that dark hair.
This is a really good cup of coffee. This is an eight.
Yeah.

You know know what? I think I really enjoy this. It's cooled down a little bit so I can taste more of the flavor and everything.
I give this, I really like this cup of coffee. I give this an eight.

How about this? This is exactly what I expected it to be. Oh, my God.
I expected an eight and I got an eight. And that's just fine.

And hey, man, that makes it a 10. Yeah.

Eight out of eight, 10 out of 10.

It's

Garrett Hunter for Mega 64 saying, oh, dude, that movie,

four out of five stars, the perfect movie.

What are you talking about? He's like, well, I don't want to like it too much. Then I'll have to buy it on DVD.
So four out of five, the perfect movie. Oh, my God.
Awesome. And so eight out of 10.

A true peek into the lunacy of someone's mind.

It is, it's really, I really like the coffee here. I really like the drinks here, too.
And then, dude, you got, so there's pizza. Also, and then there's Veracruz, so you can get tacos.

And it's just a great, it's a great little spot where if you're out, I don't know why the fuck you would be out this way. Bucking on your servers.
If you

just got off a plane and you're heading west from the airport and you tell your Uber driver, I'll just pull over here real quick. That's the same thing.
They love that.

Or if you live in those apartments across the street that they just built. You know, when we moved our servers to that location over here, they used to be housed out in Sacramento.

And I had to fly out to Sacramento, unplug all the servers, load them into a car I rented, then drive them all from Sacramento to Austin. What?

And then I pulled in here like after midnight, like three in the morning, and had to come to this location, unload them all from my car, put them in the rack, plug them all in, and then turn the website back on.

Turn the website back on? Like, I had bought one server, put it in here, duplicated the database. That way, in case I got into a crash, we wouldn't lose anything.

Then just drove all the web servers and our old database over and then plugged them all in here like in the middle of the fucking night.

I think how long did it take you? It took...

took my time. I didn't want to like

I didn't want it to be that brutal. It took me three days to get here.

I stopped in Vegas and Alamogordo

on the way here.

Slept there and then did that last stretch from Alamogordo to Austin. It was brutal and then I couldn't even go home.
I had to come.

I came straight here and then immediately got to work setting all that shit up. It fucking sucked.

I put like a we're offline page up. Be back soon.

How many times in your professional life at Rich Teeth, and let's say the first 10 years, because it probably didn't happen much after this,

did you get off a plane and go, no matter what time of day or day, and just go straight to work and then work probably 12 to 15 hours? Sucked a lot. A lot.
Almost like half the time, right? Yeah.

That's the worst. It's a lot of work.
Well, now we're making a podcast about drinking coffee. So, you know, it's put in the long hours.
And here we are. Better early than ever.
Hey, man. That's early.

Early's the new late.

Buy your fucking shirt, you creep. Grab the shirt.
Star at rich teeth.com.

Gus is wearing our brim shirt. I love the color of the brim.

It's so throwback. It's awesome.
But we should get into an anarchy question. Wrap this thing up.

This is from

the subreddit, r slash animo podcast, which we don't run. You can also send us questions at animopodcast on Twitter and on Instagram.
But this is from J underscore Y L underscore underscore N. Okay.

Jillin. Oh, that's pretty good.
That's probably hopefully what that is. Hopefully.

Have you guys heard about the total solar eclipse passing on April 8th? Yeah. I just booked a flight to come visit, see the eclipse.

I can imagine the absolute madness of traffic is going to be around the center. Do you have any plans to go out and see it? Yeah.

Okay.

I know it's happening near here. I haven't made any plans yet.
I don't know. I'm not saying this, what I'm going to do, but I thought it would be cool to be flying.

when that happened and then just try to follow it. So I might rent a plane and then try to follow along the eclipse path and see it as long as as possible because we're right we're right close to the

i mean we just went through it in what was that december no yeah but this is because you were over at my house right yeah but now we're in the path of the total yeah yeah i know but it was damn close the other one this one is like we're like right on the cusp yeah look if you're in san marcus

You're not quite in it. Yeah, I think if you go like a little west, like not quite Fredericksburg, you'll be like right in the center.

If you head up to Waco and then check out Chip and Joanna, you'll be right, you know, and then they can, they'll be on their pedestal.

They'll probably ring the gong like 10 times times to signify something, and then the eclipse happens, and we fall to our knees and pray. Everyone in Waco thinks that they cause the eclipse.

They summon the eclipse. I bless.

So

my trucking buddies are very excited about it. And so I'm just going to do whatever they do.
Like, they're going to plan something, and I'll just be along for the ride.

That's when I met Burndog's dog. Yeah,

Burndog and Antonio are real excited about eclipses. And so that's like a big thing to them.
Do you think any politicians will stare straight at it again? I hope so.

Oh, I'm staring at it fucking Trump style, baby.

at it. It's everyone looking at glasses and then me looking straight up at the sun, glaring at it.
What the fuck happened with the weather today? It's like hot. It's hot now.
I brought a jacket off.

I think it's in a cold later, but it is. It's fucking hot right now.
Yeah. It's brutal.

Another question that we had. Let me see if I can track this one down real quick.

While you're looking for that, I got a question via the so all right email the other day that I've been needing to read.

Speaking of getting questions, someone messaged me on LinkedIn. What the fuck? Talking about

that. Which was fucking weird.
This is from a guy named Chris, the pissed punk. He said, Hey, Jeff, I was wondering if you, Eric, or Gus, have ever tried white coffee.

It's basically only half-roasted coffee beans, so they have a lot more caffeine, less bitter burnt flavor, and a very nutty flavor. Thank you for reading this.
Have you ever? I've never heard of it.

I've never had white coffee. The only thing I can think of is that it's flat white, but it seems like I just looked it up.
It just, it looks like it's

just a

like a less roasted bean. Yeah, I've never had pink chicken either.
I mean, there, there are certain things I've had pink chicken.

The answer to Chris is no, but thank you for asking. I want to see if we have an opportunity.
Oh, I have a buddy who's a roaster here. Uh, I can ask him about it to make sure that we try.

Have to have to work, yeah. He just gave me, uh, he roasted for lampost.
We should go to lamppost.

Uh, he roasted for lamppost and he gave me um a batch that he just did that they were like really like cupping and mulling over like the flavor profiles and everything.

And it's crazy how much goes into coffee and how it costs 350 $3.50 to get a cup.

And there are like, there aren't a lot of beans that are grown in the U.S. They come from somewhere else and they have to get over here and then they get over here and they have to hang out.

And then after hanging out, they have to get roasted and they have to get mulled over and you have to keep roasting and then you send it to a shop.

And then once it's at a shop, somebody has to break it down and make it into something else. And then people go, why is this $5?

And you're like, oh, wow. I can't reason for this.
I never thought about how much goes into coffee. It's like, yeah,

that cup of coffee you're drinking literally literally came from the top of a mountain in Guatemala. Exactly.
Made its way all the way to your fucking dumbass lips. Yep.
Yeah.

And then you put a bunch of cream and sugar in it and you go, that's fine. It's delicious.
Yeah. Yum.
My favorite. Ooh, this one tastes like sugar cookie.
That's why I don't put shit in my coffee.

Yeah.

Black coffee is the way to go. Listen, if you want to start drinking coffee, drink it however you want.
But I advise you to get on black coffee as soon as possible.

I think that's the reason we all don't put anything in our coffee for this podcast. If we're going to talk about the coffee,

you want to talk about the coffee and not about all the shit you're putting in it. Well, audio texture.
Sounds like a paintball accident out in the woods. Uh-oh.

Well, if you want to send us, I mean, let's get out of here. It's hot.
Yeah, I'm cooking.

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Go to

what is it? Anarchymeanything.com. Well, not yet.
I got to make something. And then assign our guest book.

I'm busy today.

Join our.

Well, this doesn't be for a week. Do they still make guest books? Join our web ring.

I should make a web ring with rooster teeth and ask them to put us in their web ring. God, that's such a fucking.
You scroll to the bottom of the website and say, join our web ring. That's just that.

I could put black box down on there because I have that one too. Fuck, that's so cool.
I love it. This is great.
Join our web ring.

Any final thoughts for the folks at home?

Come visit the fucking Eclipse in a couple months. Yeah, come check it out.
Go to all the places we talked about. Tell them Adama sent you.

If you don't come and check out these coffee shops around town in 17 or 30 episodes, we're going to have to give a little update saying they went out of business. And that's a bummer.

Not to Eric. He loves it.
He's laughing his ass off. This is funny.
It's miserable. All right.
Bye.