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Horrible timing.

Six kids in my house, two parents, and getting kids ready for Halloween.

Jonathan Goldstein calling for Dr.

Jackie Cohen.

I gotta go.

Hello, Jackie.

You know what?

Okay, you're a doctor, right?

Hurry up.

I'm starting to realize, like, in the past year,

I'm pretty convinced I'm...

Hurry!

I'm losing hair.

You were bald.

Balding.

Bald.

It's a process.

So bald.

Now, I'm trying to figure out if it's a symptom of something.

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from Gimlet Media, I'm Jonathan Goldstein, and this is Heavyweight.

Today's episode: James.

When he was a kid, James loved taking long walks with his dad, Douglas.

Douglas was a film buff, and during these walks, he'd recount the plot to every movie he'd ever seen.

Hitchcock, Kubrick, James loved it.

And when he grew older and finally got to see the actual movies, as good as they were, they often paled beside the versions his dad told.

Something of a dreamer and an eccentric, Douglas lived lived his life as though he himself were a character in a movie.

He died that way, too.

On his deathbed, he issued an unexpected final request.

The request was that we scatter his ashes on the 18th hole of the golf course he loved.

Each of Douglas' kids was handed a different task regarding the estate.

James was put in charge charge of the ashes.

My dad was probably the most important person to me, outside obviously of my wife and kids.

When he died and when the will was recorded, I wasn't there.

You were actually there, I think.

I was there.

Douglas was nearing the end and urgently needed to sign his will, and James, who lived out of town, couldn't make it in time.

So he asked me and our other good friend, Howard, to go to his father's bedside and bear legal witness to the signing of the will.

To this day, James still carries around a lot of regret about not being able to be there.

Although I know it's unlikely, my memory of that day is of Douglas wearing an ascot tucked into his hospital robe.

Regardless of whether he actually was, Douglas was the kind of man who always gave the impression of wearing an ascot.

As always, he was gentlemanly and cordial.

This in spite of the the fact that he would pass away within the next 48 hours.

Douglas was born an illegitimate child in a poor part of England and raised by a single mom.

As a young man, he felt judged and carried with him the feeling of always having to prove himself, even going so far as to affect a posh upper-class accent.

For Douglas, golf was the domain of the wealthy and sophisticated, and having his ashes placed on the 18th hole of his beloved golf course, an event that James says he probably envisioned being accompanied by bagpipes and artillery, would mean finally receiving his due.

But James is yet to honor his father's request.

It's now been 16 years.

Is it just procrastination?

That's what I told myself.

Yeah.

I can vividly remember, you know, a day afterwards thinking, oh, yeah, it's the simplest thing.

In fact, it seems so simple that we'll get to it.

And now, 16 years later,

it's very complicated.

I think, to be honest with you, there's part of me that wants to hold on to them because

it's my dad.

And so the urn moved from mantels to closets.

For a long time, it even knocked around in the trunk of James's car.

It now now sits on a shelf in his basement.

Do you think

would it be a load off your head if you were able to spread the ashes?

The amount of times I cried, you know,

going on about how what a terrible son I was to not honor his request and the guilt I have about

the way he died, and, you know, I didn't deal with it well, and

it's all a piece.

he as he got sicker and sicker he wanted to go home desperately and

uh

myself and my siblings decided he could not go home because he was a hoarder

though it wasn't clear that he ever used them douglas had an entire room filled solely with golf clubs Having lived through the war, he also saved empty TV dinner trays, old microwaves, and broken radios that he'd find on the street.

We decided he could not go back there, and

he was so upset about that, and he went out just

really angry.

He just wanted to go home.

I can't fix the way he died, but this was his one request, and I haven't honored it.

And not only would I be

putting to bed something that's been just

dogging me for years, I think I'd also feel pretty proud of myself that I'm the person I want to be.

Since the person I want to be is the person who helps people be the people they want to be, I asked James if he'd like me to help him lay his father's ashes to rest.

And James said, Yes, would you want to do that?

Yeah, of course I do.

The objective?

Infiltrate Douglas' fancy old golf course and scatter the ashes.

The obstacles?

Set the general narcs with prying eyes, not to mention the fact that scattering earthly remains is against the law.

For this to work, we need the right team.

James was the key man, our entry point into the operation, and I was the bank, bankrolling the green for expenditures.

All that was missing was a front man.

We needed a person of quick wit.

Look at that.

What off the bat?

Bat, cat, sat, fat.

Someone cool under pressure.

What's it on my arm?

We needed.

Oh, let's arm here.

Howard.

Not only was Howard our oldest friend, but he was there with me the day the will was signed and the directive was given.

And to top it off, Howard never met a grift, swindle, or flim flam he didn't think was eggs in the coffee okay.

Fill your pockets with extra after-dinner mints at the local diner?

Check.

Avail yourself of ill-gained coffee refills through a counterfeit Russian seniors card?

Double check.

Howard was always on the make and up for anything.

The date had been set, Sunday, which also, as it happens, was Father's Day.

The team was in place.

We just needed to sort out logistics.

Thursday, 8.48 p.m.

Howard?

Hey.

Hi.

Hi.

Hi.

Hello.

I'm on the phone with James.

Hi.

I just wanted to get us all together to strategize a little bit.

So, Howard, is there any wisdom or experience that you could bring to bear from

past things that you've done like this?

From my previous heist experience.

Well,

we shouldn't do acid or get too high.

Yeah.

That's in room one.

Some booze maybe might help.

Steal our nerves.

So do you want to try to go there and play golf?

No, I've never golfed.

I don't know how to golf.

I've never golfed either.

And it's the 18th hole, too, so I wish it was the first hole because we could just go and suck and then we do our thing.

Yeah, he specifically needs the 18th hole, right?

18th hole, it's the last hole.

But if there's someone there watching us, how do we do it?

The clubhouse is near the 18th hole.

It looks over the 18th hole, so that's another challenge.

What's the clubhouse?

Clearly, there was a lot of work to be done.

9:32 p.m.

A quick look at the golf course website reveals a very specific dress code.

Polo shirts, belts, golf shoes, something called a tilly hat.

If wearing a polo shirt with some kind of bonnet wasn't embarrassing enough, the rules explicitly stated that all shirts were to be tucked in to your pants.

For this to work, we need to honor the dress code to a T.

In short, we'd need the best disguises money could buy.

And as as the bank, it was my job to secure the greenbacks.

After a brief parlay with Gimlet founder and CEO Alex Bloomberg, I'm told my budget is $50.

To which I say, but I've already promised the crew I'd take them shopping at JCPenney, and now I'll look like an idiot.

To which he says, what crew?

And I say, never mind.

Alex then tells me to take it up with Matt because he's in the middle of a boardroom meeting, but Matt scares me, so I just convert the green to Canadian traveler's checks.

A safe, responsible move so Alex if you're listening you should at least cover the service fees except you probably aren't listening because you're too busy with your precious startup

so although it probably wasn't the kind of establishment James's posh dad Douglas would approve of we'd need to hit the only place we could afford

Friday 1236 p.m.

It turns out the sports section of a goodwill can be a pretty sad place.

Unstrung badminton rackets, waterlogged nerf footballs you only hope are logged with water, and...

One boxing glove, that's that's the...

As an advanced student of the heist film as genre, I know that when pulling off a big job, the perfect outfit is crucial.

Think Michael Cain's Lux White Turtleneck in the Italian job, or Elliot Gould's neckerchief in Ocean's Eleven.

They have some very nice slacks here, I will say.

And the prices are very affordable.

You want to try on the polo shirts?

Not exactly Frankie Munez's wraparound shades in Agent Cody Banks, but it'll have to do.

Look at these two.

Ooh.

It's like Rayon.

Look how soft this is.

The good news is that the Goodwill has changing rooms.

The bad news is that there's only one, and it's about the size of a bus station toilet stall.

I'm going to come in with you.

But since we are A, a team, and B, absolutely fearless, together we cram in, and like any team would, strip, completely naked.

That might be the ugliest shirt I've ever, ever.

I kind of like it.

It bears mentioning that the shirt Howard is referring to is creamsicle orange and bears the logo of a plumbing company.

And, luckiest of lucky days, he's found the exact same shirts for me and James.

This way, he reasons, we can all match like a crew.

It looks good.

I like this, but it's.

You know, it's supposed to look good.

It's golfing.

Stupid.

Oh, man.

Howard, James, and I have known each other since we're teenagers.

Back then, we used to hang out like this all the time, just doing goofy stuff.

But we now live in separate cities with wives, kids, jobs, and we never get to do this kind of thing anymore.

Standing around in the middle of the afternoon, laughing in the buff with old friends

feels nice.

Oh, you're the only one that has a tattoo.

So, this is good.

We got

shirts and I got a belt.

As we exit into the parking lot, our plastic sacks plump with glad rags.

Something straight-up magical happens.

Oh, my God!

Before getting too excited about what we think we might be seeing, possibly, we await confirmation from the man who can spot a con a mile off.

What is a double rainbow?

It's legit.

A double rainbow.

And even Howard's impressed

mildly.

And so James and I give ourselves over fully.

Overcome by this fortuitous sign, the crew was moved to song.

It was red and purple and crimson and green apple and.

A rainbow was a good omen, like James' dad, Douglas, was looking down on us and smiling a big, multicolored upside-down smile.

Sure, we were dressed to the 18s, but if we each took 45 minutes to sink a ball from two feet away, we might attract suspicion.

We needed to train, hard.

I'm talking Rocky, running through waist-high Russian snow hard.

A montage of steel drum musicians learning to play chariots of fire set to the tune of Ayah the Tiger hard.

I'm talking actually learning how to play golf.

We find a driving range in the fancier part of of town and book a golf pro by the name of Stephen.

Saturday, 1 p.m.

Are you Stephen?

Absolutely.

Hey, Stephen, I'm Jonathan.

This is Howard.

And this is James.

This is Stephen.

Stephen.

A smile with more dimples than the golf balls he lovingly cradles.

A tall drink of sports aquavelva eau de toilette if ever there was.

Stephen's been golfing professionally for over 20 years and couldn't be nicer or better smelling.

And considering the frantic barrage of imbecilic questions we ask, he also couldn't be more patient.

Steven, so actually the bottom, are those official golf shoes?

Yeah, well, I won't give questions to Steve.

What would a golfer say about like Happy Gilmore or like a movie like that?

They find that they find it insulting.

After a brief lecture on the basic how-tos, hit ball with stick, hold stick with hands, get ball in hole, we're ready.

We insist James go first.

After all, this is his mission.

What we want to do is really finish it just like this here.

While Stephen tenderly positions James' hips and elbows, Howard grabs my microphone and golf commentates.

I'd say he looks really, really horrible.

Just ridiculous looking.

Not encouraging.

Somehow, James manages to connect on his very first try.

Everyone's saying very encouraging things, but it's really horrible, just to say.

But he got it, it went in in the air and he hit it.

It's like you say to a child.

It's like, good, you hit it.

Stephen looks over at Howard, who now squats in the grass, untying and retying his two left-footed, goodwill-issued golf shoes.

And then he looks over at me.

A grown man in a two-large tilly hat, strings cinched tight enough beneath the chin to ensure the clenched-jawed vocal affect of a young Catherine Hepburn.

He waves us to come hither, offering up something in the way of inspiration.

The golf ball flies straight up into the air, and then, as though eerily achieving human consciousness in mid-flight, suddenly takes a sharp left.

Wow, so cool!

Howard, baptized in the backsplash of Stephen's pheromones, is born again.

He's seen the pinnacle of male perfection, and James, it is not.

See, James, that's what it looks like.

That's what when a man hits a golf ball, a male of the species hits a golf ball.

Next up is Howard.

He steps to the T, grips the club in just the way Stephen instructed, does this adorable waddle back and forth to get his footing just so.

And then.

Did you hear that?

Let me play it again.

Thrice.

A swing and a miss, a swing and a miss, a swing and a miss.

That's too much.

A little bit.

If you're losing your balance, you're swinging fast.

You're fast.

The first 25 years are tough.

Oh, Stephen.

All this and funny too.

My attempts were just as fruitless.

As it turns out, golf is hard.

We wonder if Douglas knew just how difficult a mission he'd sent us on.

How would we do without a golf pro standing there helping us?

You know the difference between golf clubs?

When there's a wet, the iron no, I don't.

Not really.

I mean, I know to look.

Redge, driver, putter, one iron, two iron, three iron, putter, driver, putter,

1.39 a.m.

It's the night before the job, and the reality of our situation begins to set in.

How can any sting be stung when the would-be stingers absolutely stink at golf?

Clearly, this plan wasn't going to work.

And so, at a quarter to two in the morning, panic set in.

It's impossible.

It's impossible for us to play golf.

We would suck so hard.

We would never make it off the first fucking hole.

And if we knock the balls anywhere, I'm with you.

It's like learning how to fucking juggle.

It's like it's an incredibly impossible thing to do.

It's going to be so obvious that there's something's up because we've never fucking golfed.

Yeah, that's the issue.

If we're doing any sort of subterfuge, we're going to be the most obvious, conspicuous people in the world.

Suspicious.

And then we'll have to get all the way to the 18th hole.

That takes hours.

I mean, literally hours, even if you're good.

Literally, yeah.

And then try to get the ashes out and forget it.

2.15 a.m.

Do you guys know what stomp rockets are?

Growing desperate, we chuck the old plan and begin to free associate new plans.

We need a t-shirt cannon.

Well, you know, actually, that could work.

3.05 a.m.

What if we dumped them into, say, like a balloon and then filled it with water and then whip them

so they would explode all on the 18th green and that's it?

This was going nowhere.

So I raised the possibility of her pulling off a night job.

For those of you squares who need to be hep to it, that's a job one performs at night.

Think they might have dogs.

What if they think we're like terrorists or something?

Super, super posh exclusive club going late at night with someone's human remains, which is fucking totally illegal.

Yeah, I mean, they must have some sort of security there.

Oh, 100%.

The sun was coming up soon.

so I suggest that, like in Dog Day Afternoon or Reservoir Dogs, or really any other movies about dogs that I've also not seen but can only assume have happy, heartwarming endings, maybe we just show up during the day and hope for the best.

This idea,

okay, that works for me.

They liked.

After the break, the A-team of golf sets off on its mission.

I want to be golf lungren, and you can be Mr.

T?

True.

And what am I?

And you just know it's Wedge.

You're Wedge and Olvan Cleef.

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James want a drink?

Scotch, yeah, maybe.

On ice?

Sure.

Thank you.

Sunday, 8.10 a.m.

Father's Day arrives, a beautiful one in Montreal.

James says it's a lot like the day Douglas died.

We all rendezvous at the safe house, which also happens to be Howard's rec room.

James has held on to his dad's urn for 16 years, but he's always kept it in the velvet bag it came with, so he's never actually handled it.

Earlier in the day though, in anticipation of the job, he withdrew it, and if there was any question about just how much Douglas loved golf, it was immediately answered by what was revealed.

Etched into the side of the urn was a golfer in mid-swing.

Harrod had the idea of using his pug's poop bags to separate the ashes into portions for each of us.

His reasoning?

Should one of us get pinched by some golf clubhouse Johnny Law, the two surviving members of the crew could still carry out the job.

Oh my god, this is so strange.

Oh, what a business.

I know, what a business.

I deaf.

What a fucking business.

Well, I'm glad you got.

I'm glad I'm.

I've had a couple drinks, so I'm getting all sentimental, but I'm really glad you guys are doing this with me.

You're part of this thing for 16 years.

There was this sort of fear that I wouldn't be able to handle dealing with it, the physicality of it.

But if there's something I'm now grateful for, and I wonder if there was some wisdom in it, is that he has compelled me to deal with this.

I've never cursed him for it, but I've been angry.

I've never been angry, but I've been, I don't know what the word is, sort of like, fuck, you know, you couldn't just go without, you couldn't just die.

You had to make this

somewhat absurd, ridiculous request that was impractical and almost impossible to achieve.

But I'm sitting right now, kind of almost grateful for it.

So let's hope.

Let's hope we're successful today.

8:25 a.m.

As we set off on the job, Howard shows doubts about his outfit.

I look like a fat failure of a dentist.

I look like I lost my practice because I put dentures in a child's mouth.

As we near the golf course, James grows silent.

I might have parked in a space.

Alright.

Good show.

Um, how you feeling?

Nervous.

I'm gonna park near here just for a quick getaway.

From the parking lot, we wind our way towards the green.

Maybe it's testament to a tilly hat cocked at just the right angle, but nobody seems to be stopping us.

We have infiltrated.

Look how manicured it is.

It's like it's like it looks like a pool table.

All seems to be a pile of like ashes there in the middle.

The golf course is what you'd expect.

Green grass as far as the eye can see, trees, ponds.

It's beautiful.

And under normal circumstances, it'd make us feel peaceful-like.

But just now, it's making us feel out of place, reminding us of who we are.

Three frightened middle-aged men dressed in discarded plumbing company uniforms, struggling under the weight of our bulky knapsacks, and a mission that just now feels too big for us.

I don't know, should we just try to go to the 18th hole or should we go in and

that's, I believe that's it, isn't it?

As it turns out, the 18th hole is the hole nearest the parking lot.

The red flag is that red flag right

there

is your destination.

The most conspicuous hole, so thanks a lot, Dad.

Right now we're going to be here.

Right now we're going to watch right now.

Even now, we're getting watched.

We decide to play it cool, case the joint.

We make our way to the ninth hole, which is out of view.

And it's here that fear sets in.

And with it, bargaining.

The ninth hole, Dad, right here would be perfect.

I could go with the whole urn dump of.

Maybe he liked the screen.

He liked the whole golf course.

It wasn't his, but I know this is the back nine.

I know he liked the back nine.

Next, denial.

This is my question.

Why would your dad, who is an avid golfer who's probably really, really serious about his games, why would he want to put his action on the green, which would interfere with another golfer's?

I suggest we cool our heels in the clubhouse, and the boys agree.

It turns out that that evening is a Father's Day banquet, so the staff is rushing to prepare, which allows us to wander around relatively unnoticed.

The club goes back about a hundred years, and on the walls are hung old brown and white photos and plaques commemorating the members who've died fighting in both world wars.

Since almost the start of our mission, James had expressed a fear that maybe no one at the club would even remember his dad.

Douglas was just such a loner that over the years James had never met any of his friends.

As far as he knew, he didn't really have any.

There was a lot about his dad he didn't know, like whether he was even any good at golf.

So he was hoping he might find some small trace of him here, a photo, or even his name on a list somewhere.

Oh, the registry.

We find a large old-looking book that lists every champion in the course's history.

Wow, it goes back to 1903.

I mean, I'm sure he's probably documented in some book somewhere.

It's just a question of finding it.

Did you want to check that book?

Did you look through all those?

Yeah, I didn't see anything of her.

Since the book won't talk, we look for someone who will.

We stop every staff staff member and golfer who looks old enough and ask if they remember Douglas.

We're hoping to find some sort of sign of him quite tad.

I don't know.

His name doesn't ring a bell.

Douglas Hurst, a long time ago.

I'm hoping to find people who remember him.

And look, I play at six in the morning, so the only guys I know are the grasspacks.

Douglas Hurst?

No dice.

Until.

Doug Hurst, you guys knew him?

Sure, that's his son right here.

In a basement room, squeezed into an armchair, watching golf on TV, is Serge.

A French-Canadian bulldog of a man, he pours fistfuls of mixed nuts into his mouth, which he washes down with generous slugs from his beer.

Crazy dog, that's you!

That's his son, but that's my verse.

Through the half-jar of fancy cocktail nuts crammed into his grizzled maw, you might not be able to understand the words Serge is desperately trying to choke out.

He's saying, Crazy Doug.

Crazy Doug is his nickname for James's dad.

Oh, I'm so glad I found someone who remembered him.

We asked a few people, and not too many people remembered him.

Tell me if I knew maybe a staff member who'd been here a while and no one knew him.

I knew him very well.

So, was he a good golf player?

Was he good?

He was a good golfer.

Yeah, but

he was like,

I was a 8 or 9 handicap.

Okay.

Oh, that's very good.

He was very good.

Okay.

This is like the top 5%

of all the golfers in the world.

So he was very good.

He was very good.

And he was dedicated.

The room full of golf clubs that James had thought was garbage, Serge spoke of it with respect.

He called it the largest, most complete collection of golf clubs in all of Canada.

You never want to hear someone refer to a person you love by a pet name prefixed by the word crazy.

But the benefit is that when they tell you stuff about your dad, you know they're being honest.

So when Serge says what he says next, James knows he can believe him.

I don't think I have ever met

somebody as brilliant as your dad.

The level of depth of knowledge about everything.

But on the other side, he was also very,

I would not say shy.

Isolated, like exactly.

He could be alone.

We saw him very rarely on the clubhouse.

I think it was because he was a bit of a loner.

But he did love people and he loved the people here and he did love all his friends here.

But he really loved to come at six in the morning when he could just do his thing.

That was very my father.

That's what my mother used to say, too.

It's very my father.

And it's not that he didn't like people.

He just liked to do things at his speed, his way, and be done.

Because he was sort of a loner.

He was a loner.

And he's my father.

You're the son of your father.

And with that, it's time for James to become the son his father had asked him to be and do the job we came for.

And I think this is a great idea.

We're just walking around.

We're members' sons.

We head back outside and walk with purpose to the 18th hole.

As fate would have it, the coast is clear.

Actually, James, right now, man.

Turn your hand right now.

Just kind of, just kind of cool down.

Tie my shoe.

Tie my shoe.

Yeah, tie your shoe.

Tie your shoe.

This is opportunity right now.

Let's walk with him.

With Howard on his left and me on his right, we walk James out to the green, doing our best to protect him from view.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We're walking with you.

Say something, maybe.

Yeah, I will, I will.

Say something in my head.

Do you want to say something in your head?

Yeah, I'm just saying something in my head.

Okay.

Wow, we're actually doing this.

This is incredible because you're actually doing it right now.

This is actually happening.

He's actually putting his dad's ashes right on the 18th hole, just like he wanted.

We didn't think this would be possible, actually.

James just tipped his hat.

He just dumped it right into the 18th hole very discreetly.

I got it right in the hole.

That felt really good.

I'm really glad.

Right in the hole.

Exactly the way you want it to.

I feel great.

I feel awesome.

Howard and I are feeling pretty good too.

This is the last time James would ever get to do something his dad had asked him to do, and we're proud to be a small part of it.

We put our arms around our friend's neck and pat his back.

Okay, well, you got back home.

That's incredible.

Happy Father's Day.

Happy Father's Day!

Happy Father's Day!

It worked out perfectly.

And James is right.

It has kind of worked out perfectly.

Sure, unlike the end of heist films like Reservoir Dogs, we weren't sipping drinks from a coconut on a beautiful beach.

But James had become the person he wanted to be, and I had become the person who helped him become the person he wanted to be.

And Howard, well, he'd become the person who fills up a dog poop bag with free golf clubhouse dinner mints.

So all in all, it was a happy ending.

Thank you guys for doing this.

James had a fist full of his father's ashes in his hand and he walked onto that green like a dawn, bend onto one he tipped his hat and just dumped it right into the hole like clean right in the hole that was a hole in one that's what i would say

Now that the furniture's returning to its goodwill home

Now that the last month's rent is scheming with the damaged deposit

Take this moment to decide

if we meant it if we tried

or felt around for far too much

from things that accidentally touched

Heavyweight is hosted and produced by me, Jonathan Goldstein, along with Chris Neary and Khalila Holt.

The senior producer is Wendy Dorr.

Editing by Alex Bloomberg and Jorge Just.

Special thanks to Emily Condon, Stevie Lane, Derek Hurst, Stephen Hughes, and the good doctor, Jackie Cohen.

The show was mixed by Haley Shaw.

Music by Christine Fellows.

Additional music credits for this episode can be found found on our website, gimletmedia.com/slash heavyweight.

Our theme song is by The Weaker Thans, courtesy of Epitaph Records, and our ad music is by Haley Shaw.

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We'll have a new episode next week.

Oh wait, I have an idea.

I'm on the 18th hole.

I will literally collapse.

Like literally fake heart attack type shit.

Probably wouldn't work.

What if we got a drone, like you know those little parrot drones, and put a bag in it, punched a hole in a bag and flew the drone over?

You know how they say with brainstorming, there's no bad ideas?

These are bad ideas.

Why are TSA rules so confusing?

You got a hoodie, you want to take it off!

I'm Manny.

I'm Noah.

This is Devin.

And we're best friends and journalists with a new podcast called No Such Thing, where we get to the bottom of questions like that.

Why are you screaming at me?

Well, I can't expect what to do.

Now, if the rule was the same, go off on me.

I deserve it.

You know, lock him up.

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