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Well, Gino, it didn't have to be pretty, but you told us this would require more effort out of everybody.

Describe the effort you saw out of your defense.

I thought the defense was tremendous.

At this point, we don't care how we get wins.

We just want to win games.

I don't care if it was five to four.

We got the dub.

But yeah, man, it was a hard fall game.

Our defense was lights out.

They finished it at the end right there.

I mean, that was big time.

You know who does care?

I care.

Yeah.

Joe Cube.

Public cares.

giving a game i could watch that one i'll claw my eyes out welcome to heed the call

dan hands and mark sessler and i'm not gonna do what everybody thinks i'm gonna do sest dog which is just bitch about primetime games for 25 to 40 minutes no i mean they can't all be gems and in fact earlier this season uh we had a lot of great games but the fact of the matter is we're in a little bit of a slump uh as we close out the regular season when it comes to island games.

So Sess Dog, this game

never came close to getting off the ground and giving us anything compelling.

It ends with one of the more, I'm going to say it, I'm not trying to be mean, but one of the more pathetic final drives I've ever seen.

And I'm a Jets fan from a football team

ending with Caleb Williams interception streak being interception less streak being snapped on his last play from scrimmage.

And it clinched a 6-3 win for the Seahawks 9-7 and still in the playoff hunt over the Chicago Bears 4-12 and going nowhere.

Well, and it's the lowest scoring game of the season.

And to me, that can have a charm to it.

There can be an element of attractiveness to that.

That was not the case with this affair this evening.

It looked like the score.

I kind of can't wait.

for this campaign to end for the Bears for multiple reasons.

You've got the fans chanting, like, sell the team at the end of the game.

And you've got your quarterback who i think it's just we like caleb williams like it's hard to watch him getting beaten up the way he is in these games and for it to end the way it ended and i guess in a way it's a confirmation that the mike mcdonald defense is taking another step and they're and they're alive maybe well maybe but like it's not not it's not not that at least but like um they're alive still for a playoff um

you know entry i i don't need to see them in the playoffs, but that's that's me.

That doesn't matter.

But like, if the Rams were to falter against the cardinals your seahawks are still very much in the picture and i it's so if anything like yeah it doesn't need to be pretty and like we'll forget this game i did i do think i texted you and justin at some point that if this goes into overtime i will become the zodiac killer 2.0 like i will just go on a spree and take out teenagers along the west coast so i'm glad that didn't occur for me and i was you know what i was thinking of while you were doing that i was thinking back to like some like forensic files episodes i've watched in the middle of the night it's like and there was a firebug on the loose

fires across the cityscape.

I'm just going to go start fires.

Well, yeah, like we, I think we just shift from being, we're just doing this and this is slow, you know, this is like in terms of human achievement.

Yeah, not even like

these guys are being vigilantes.

No, like just going to become a criminal and like then throw me in jail.

And no, no, for no greater purpose, for no greater purpose other than like we've, we've been pushed to that point at this point.

All right.

And to that point, by the way, again, I'm not going to dwell on it because who wants to hear a bunch of guys talk about football for a living complaining about how bad the football is.

But just like, I just did some quick research because it has felt like we've watched a lot of dogs lately.

Um, if you go back to remember that double Monday night game that we were annoyed about back in what was it, week 15?

Yeah.

It was Minnesota 30, Chicago 12 in that one, and then Atlanta 15.

Somebody else had nine.

That was a bad one.

Since then, we had the Rams 12 to win over the Niners.

We had a Green Bay 34-0 win over the Saints.

We've had a Baltimore 31-Houston 2 game.

We've had a Kansas City 29-Pittsburgh 10 game.

We've had a Seattle 6-Chicago 3 game.

And yet, Mark,

it should also be stated that the NFL

on Netflix set streaming marks on Christmas with monster numbers.

I talked about the, oh, look at the NFL finally has someone that's looking to punch back with the college football playoffs going up against some regular season games, mundane regular season games.

NFL destroyed the college football playoffs in the ratings.

So

I guess it doesn't matter what the product is, but it would help if it was good.

They showed Roger Goodell up there in his suite with Pina Tillman and his family, and I'm sure he wasn't overly thrilled watching the game.

But to Geno Smith's point, they don't care.

They got another win and they're still in the mix.

What worries you about the Seahawks?

Because we'll get to the Bears' car crash, but the Seahawks that we've been watching here down the stretch,

narrow loss to the Vikings, get whipped up by the Packers, and now finding a way against a very bad Bears team that couldn't get out of its way.

Worries me.

I mean, I guess I would say

it speaks to

what I would call the middle class of the NFL, and you have a chance to get into the playoffs.

And I have no faith that you'll do more than compete for

two to three quarters in a playoff game.

That would worry me if I'm looking at them organizationally.

I'm talking about this game though.

Oh, in this game?

First of all, I'll say something about them that I like.

It's like the pass rush

really did a job.

And it's not like they're alone on that against Chicago.

I think that they are forming into what Mike McDonald's vision is on defense.

So that's a positive.

Like, from another angle, it's just like they seem to come and go from on an offensive side.

And like, you are missing people.

I get that.

But, like, I just don't see them as a difference-making type of team.

Like, I, I, like, you know how, like, when we used to have to write these games up, like, I'm three-quarters into this game.

I'm like, I don't know what the storyline is when it comes to the Seahawks.

They're kind of floating through this affair.

And they do seem to do that in games where, like, they come and go.

And, like, so my worry is just I don't know what their identity is on offense.

Like defense, I'm starting to see it a little bit.

I really am.

I think it's a good coach.

He's a good head coach, but like I don't see it on offense.

I just don't see it.

And I don't, I've never been a Geno Smith guy.

I know that like you're not part of the, you know, the special group of people that are in love with Geno Smith.

Like I just don't see it.

And like I don't, like, why aren't you scoring 23 points in this game?

Why are you doing that?

I think the answer might be Geno is pretty upfront about it in the post-game presser there with Kaylee Hartung

saying that

he is not healthy.

And I think that's playing a role.

He was 17 for 23.

Like, I'm not killing him tonight.

It's just that this is not a difference-making offense.

And, like, what are you in the NFL in 2024 with not difference-making offense and a quarterback that I think is like the 15th best quarterback or something?

I mean, they have been.

That's why they're kind of a tough team to figure out because we've been on this podcast, Mark, and thrown flowers at the Seahawks

as recently as a couple of weeks ago.

That there is a, you could look at this team from a different light and see, I mean, this team has won six of its seven road games this year.

This is a team that has

shown the ability to throw the ball around the yard, at least when Geno's knee is okay.

You have DK Metcalf, ostensibly a number one wide receiver, although his personal foul total nearly matched his target total in this game.

Three catches for 42 yards and two personal fouls.

Jackson Smith and Jigba has really become a revelation on this offense and is one of the best, if not the best slot receiver in the league.

I think the Kenneth Walker injury, which now he's been moved to IR, so he's out of the picture, has hurt them.

It seems like they don't really know what they want to do with the rest of the backfield with Zach Charbonnet and Kenny McIntosh.

So I think with Mike McDonald, like...

He plays a defense a certain way.

He comes from the Ravens tree.

I'm sure they would have, you know, Derrick Henry would have looked great on the Seattle Seahawks as well.

But if they can't have balance on their offense, and they've been searching for that all year to get the running game going, if Geno is not going to be healthy, then they're going to have days like this.

And that's not going to work in the NFC playoffs when there's going to be some teams that are going to turn games into track meets.

I don't care what Mike McDaniel schemes up.

It's going to be very hard to slow down the Packers the way they are right now.

The Lions, obviously, the Vikings on a good day.

So their offense is going to have to get this right, or they are going to be blinking.

You miss it, as you're alluding to playoff participant this year.

Well, they're not going to.

Like they're not.

Like they're like if they even like, first of all, like they're not a playoff team unless the Rams have a massive like shit the bed scenario against the Cardinals team that has nothing to play for in L.A.

And I get in L.A.

doesn't mean much, but it's like, I think the Rams take care of business.

Like let's let's talk about those two teams.

Like the Rams, to me, their ceiling is they could beat on a good day any team in the playoffs.

I really think that on a really good day.

And they probably won't, but like that's them on a really good day.

The Seahawks, I don't feel that way about that.

That's who we want coming out of the West.

Absolutely.

I'm not having a love affair with the Rams necessarily, but I certainly feel better about them right now than I do the Seahawks.

And on the Bears side of the thing, you know, I'm not going to belabor the Ebroth Falouse thing anymore because I've made my point clear that I thought that was a stupid move to fire him.

But watch the way this game is being run by Thomas Brown.

And I don't mean anything.

I'm not taking shots at this guy.

He was put in a difficult position.

But the way they handled the end of this game, the way they managed time, that fourth and one

where the guard that had the holding penalty that wiped out their touchdown, then also gets a false start on fourth and one.

And you got the interim coach sending out the punter on fourth and one and then changing his mind and blowing a timeout to send out Caleb to throw a

Jesus ball that ends up being caught.

A nice play by Caleb keeping a play alive.

And then they they burn another timeout later on that drive just because the play clock's about to extinguish.

And I have never watched a drive that felt more doomed for a team that was down three points that had first and 10 near midfield.

The only thing was, are they going to run out of time and have another Thanksgiving-esque meltdown with the clock management?

Or is Caleb Williams just going to get killed?

Or is yet another hopelessly adrift play call going to lead lead to Caleb just throwing the ball for grabs, which is what happened.

So Caleb gets sacked seven times, gets battered again.

It does not look professional in Chicago.

And the Amazon coverage, God bless them, because can you imagine being there trying to stoke conversation after this one?

Right.

They have to, and I know Roger doesn't want them addressing this, but the crowd is loudly chanting, sell the team, as they're trying to do their post-game wrap-up.

There's bags on the heads.

There are people booing their guts out.

And it's just a very bad place.

So when you see things like Pete Carroll is interested, there's a report out there, interested in the Chicago job.

That's an option to me.

I know he might not be a forward-thinking offensive mind, but

they need an adult in that building, someone that's built a program.

And it might not be Carroll, but they got to get this hire right because this is so close to blowing up in a hideous way with Caleb Williams.

They've got to nail the hire.

A lot of pressure on the Chicago Bears right now.

Well, I'm with with you.

And like, I just think this is one of four or five teams they could point to.

And we, you and I

know two of them very well.

We're like, ownership is the bug bear.

It's the problem.

It's the maze that you cannot get out of to try to create a winner.

And like, by the way, Bears, like you're now, the NFC North used to be manageable for a long time.

You're now in a division that is as thorny as it gets.

Good point.

And right?

And like, you're going to, like, you think, like, my one thing is when it's like a Ben Johnson's, like, oh, we're just going to bring in the best

person to do this.

Like,

smart coaches now

will skip a year or go somewhere else because of ownership.

Like, ownership matters.

And I think that the Bears have a true ownership problem.

But just, it's not even just the

old queen lady that's running the Bears, whoever it is at this point.

It's just like, it's everyone.

Well, it's everyone else because it's like, look at the decisions that are being made.

And it's like, you have a...

Old queen lady.

Well, no, but it is like, it ain't like what's like, like, but, you know.

Justin, can you get the name for us?

It's a familiar

queen.

But it's a family run, like

Virginia

something.

Sure.

And I'm sure she's wonderful.

Like, I'm not just

McCasky.

Virginia McCasky.

I'm not speaking of her personality.

Dame.

Virginia McCasky.

I believe she was dated.

Yeah.

Dame.

Yeah.

But it's, it's, um,

this has been going on for so long at this point that it's like it's not not not, these teams are not all run the same way.

And

if I were like a hot coordinator and there's five openings, like the Bears are not where I go.

Like, it's just not.

Like, it would be a good story.

Like, the cell is always like, well, if you turn the Bears around, then you become the toast of the town and all this stuff.

And that's true.

That's true of the Jets.

It's true of the Browns.

It's true of all these teams.

But that said,

huh?

I kind of disagree.

I still think it's a good job.

If there, I still believe there's a really good quarterback, locked away in Caleb Williams that has been this could

file charges against what they've done with Caleb Williams in year one.

There is big-time talent on this team.

Is it a perfect roster on the offensive side of the ball?

I'm just talking about that side of the ball.

No, but the offensive line obviously needs help.

Caleb needs to know how to run an NFL offense and sense pass rushers and blitzers.

There's a lot of work to be done, but so much of that can be healed up with someone who is competent that can guide this team.

And that's what they,

think i don't think there's any team where it's more clear that it's being run just a rudderless ship with no leadership up top than the chicago bears and that coaching staff and again that's not it's not only on thomas brown it's not his fault he was overpromoted here but that to me like all this dysfunction is so much a part of a terrible coaching staff and then firing that coach at thanksgiving sending everything into the point of no return so i'm just saying if you if you're a if you're a play caller if you're if you're Ben Johnson, we'll just use him as an example.

I could look at the Chicago Bears and be like, all right,

let's go to work.

If you get out of my way and you spend money and listen to my input, I can do something here with this group.

So I don't disagree

with the player roster side of it.

Like, I'm with you.

I think that, if anything, they've underwhelmed.

massively compared to what we all thought back in August would happen.

And

maybe that was all overhyped, but I do think it matters.

If you're going to stake your career for the next five plus years somewhere, the way that an organization is run matters.

And all I would say about the Bears, and I like, I love to talk to, like, bring in Conrad, but it's like, I want to know what's happening.

It's like, it feels murky to me.

It feels murky.

And it feels like we all know this.

If you go join anything,

we're in a good place now, but if you join anything and you don't, and the leadership above you is not on your side or they're directionless or they're they are regal or they're drifting away.

Like, um, I don't love it.

So it's like, I don't think it's a premier landing spot.

I really don't.

I think the Bears are a wonderful, like, historical organization, but

I have, I would say, get out of the way.

Yeah.

Right?

Like, if ownership

can

make the right hire and then just get out of the way.

and give them time to do it.

I mean, there are words.

I could be missing that.

I'm clear

here.

I think there are worse ownership groups than the Chicago Bears.

More meddlesome, more embarrassing.

I agree with that.

I'm using this based off of talking to like people that have been hardcore, like football guys that we know that have been close to the Bears for 20 years.

It's like, this ain't how it's done.

And there's problems.

Like

a poorly run family business.

That's how I feel about the Bears.

Can't disagree.

The results are not there.

And this has been a tough, tough watch all year.

They are a tough, tough watch.

Yeah, and it's like when you're feeling for the quarterback, like, I can't wait for the season to end.

Like, you're just praying that he doesn't, like, he's just taking, he's taking all the brutality.

Like,

I don't appreciate that.

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For our

you do it, Mark.

Our U.S.

audience.

Only.

Very nice.

Where's Justin?

Hey, what's up, Gravy?

Your heater got pretty loud there, but I guess we'll go with it.

Yeah, that thing's piping.

I can hear you.

I'm going to take this heater down a notch.

Winter time in LA.

People think that it's always balmy in L.A.

It's cold as hell here.

Yeah.

Cold as hell is not how that feels.

It's in the 40s.

Okay, well.

That's not warm.

It's like the negative 40s for some people in some parts of the earth.

You're the negative 40s.

Got him.

You did.

You got me there.

All right.

Justin, how's everything going over in the live chat?

Thank you to everybody.

I mean, if you're in the live chat now,

you're a psycho, and I like that.

You're a psychology.

I was thinking, by the way, Mark, we don't really have a nickname for

our listeners, our viewers.

What about are they the callers?

Like, the heed the callers?

It's pretty.

The heaters.

The callers?

The callers feels like.

Is it too generic, the callers?

I don't quite know what it means.

I would say this.

I don't know if it expresses their

devotion.

The callers.

Like,

you might have called me I didn't pick up the phone necessarily or you let's get some suggestions in the chat come on all right yeah that's a good way to do it what else we got in the chat heed the ballers no Harrison quack but thank you come on

Patrick

I like where he's coming from though the podcast cog no senti

okay

heed dogs someone said heed heads Matthew Tanton what's up tanton

so mat so Matthew Tanton is exactly who I'd point to as a diet in the wool Bears fan who understands what's happening behind.

Former colleague at NFL Media.

Absolutely.

And, like, if you weren't hard enough on the Bears, he'd come and tell you.

So,

I think

he's your voice.

He's the voice of the Bears fan.

He sure is, Mark.

We should hire 10.

Terry Black's barbecue in Austin, Texas, last time we were down there in Texas to get our ass kicked in that award show.

Like, being sent down to slaughter.

Did Shannon Sharp beat us?

Those brilliant minds that we were working for at the NFL sent us down for a slaughter at the hands of Shannon Sharp.

But we did have a nice dinner at

Terry Black's with Matt Tanton.

Well, Matt is a Matt is an easy, he's just a wonderful guy.

He came with us to Tybee Island.

Oh, yeah.

We love him.

All right, what else do we have?

Where did you have dinner?

Love you, Matt.

Terry Black's.

Oh, Tierry?

Terry!

How about this for the nickname?

The Terries.

All right.

Justin, what else do we have?

Do you have anything else other than the nickname thing?

Let's let that marinate and we'll pick the best ones, not just the first ones you see.

Okay, sorry.

All right, Aga.

Question: Is there such thing as too much football?

We now have games on Black Friday and Christmas, all while college is going on.

Has the NFL gone too far?

It depends who you ask.

The NFL says we're just getting started, maybe.

It does feel a little overwhelming.

At the same time, Mark,

this is the first year in a couple of years where we didn't have 14 games on Christmas Eve.

you know, I think we had three games on Christmas Day last year.

So maybe there's.

We're not the right people people to ask because like

we we're not but like I will say one thing like yesterday

Christmas Day I

We didn't have to do a show.

I watched football, which is very rare.

I think when you have like to have kids like to be able to just watch the games versus work like um I haven't had a problem with that.

That was enjoyable.

So like it's not too much depending on your point of view.

I think it feels scattered all over the map where like there's it's starting to become a different sport to me than it was 15, 20 years ago or 15 to 20 months ago, where like it was, you know, you had your days where football existed.

Now it's every day.

Well, here's the, here's the other part.

Not every day.

First of all, the question, the

question is, is it, what was the question?

Is it good or

good or was it too good?

The answer is no, because as I said, the ratings are

and the money is pouring in from Netflix and everywhere else.

And for people that are just NFL fans, you can pick and choose.

Like, I wouldn't get too worked up about it.

Like, you don't, like, we have to watch every game to do this show, but you guys don't have to.

I do wish it was, I long for the old days where things were a little more sectorized.

But,

is it as special?

Like, I just think there was a day, two days a week where, like, football was on and it felt special.

But when it's on, like, anything, anything that's tantalizing and you get too much of, like, it loses something.

But again, when Netflix blows the ratings through like the roof into the sky, into the solar system, like, they don't give a shit.

No, it just emboldens them further.

Ken asks, is HTC Pro Eggnog?

I'm not shit's gross.

I know the answer from the cess dog who can't even look at a glass of milk.

So I'm imagining eggnog is a hideous monstrosity to you.

No, I would try.

I don't create it

or I don't, it's not something that I seek, but I would try it.

Do you create it?

I do not create the eggs.

I would try it, though.

No, I'll.

You've never had eggnog?

No, I've had it, but I mean, like, if someone, if I were at a party and it was like

everyone's having it, I wouldn't be like well no not me like i i but it's not i don't go seek it i out of pocket everyone in my direct family here thinks it's disgusting um i get one quart of it like one of like the is that a quart like of the small one and then i have like half a glass i put a little uh um whiskey in it and some nutmeg and i enjoy that and that's it but it's just the one just when like when we put the tree up or whatever well you're an american so like you should do what as you wish and justin sorry not to interrupt my dad makes it every year for our family.

Extended family comes over to my parents' house for Christmas every year.

My dad makes a huge bowl of eggnog.

A bowl, that's a lot.

We add bourbon.

What do you do?

Like the spoon then?

Big ladle.

Sure.

Lots of spoons.

Well, I think that's dangerous in a larger area because someone could go like, you know, douse it with something that's not right.

We don't want that to happen.

Dan and I do not want that to happen.

No, we do not want it to happen.

What else we got there,

J-Man?

Adam asks, is it worth renting Gladiator 2 for $20 on Amazon?

I will send this over to SESDOG.

I did not see Gladiator 2.

Well, I don't know.

It depends on your income.

I would say this.

I saw Gladiator 2.

I think it delivered on, if you like the first one, it delivered on the world, the feel, the mood, the aura, the product of the first one.

And it actually had some throwback elements to the first one that I thought they kind of made, like I walked out of it.

And I took a number of people.

And it's like, it felt like they made a movie from the 90s.

I took a number of people.

Who says that?

Well, I took a number of people.

I think you've said on the show you took your sons.

Like, we had talked about that being a

controversial movie considering it's quite a graphic film.

Yeah, well,

there were a couple scenes, but I also like a number of people.

I also would like to take them to movies that might test them a little bit because I think there's something all right with that.

That's why you took him to the Beverly, what's that, Tarantino theater to see the Eyes Wide Shut Remaster.

I I know.

No, I took Colton to see The Exorcist, and he's 12.

But he was fine with it.

Would you say Gladiator 2 was full of heart from start to finish?

No.

That's my question.

No,

I wouldn't write a review glowing, but I would say that it captured what you would want from Gladiator.

It would.

So we got 20 bucks.

I don't know how much money you're making, but it's a lot.

What's more likely?

This is from Pat's Venben.

Mark spends all day at the movie theater watching back-to-back-to-back showings of wicked,

Wickedly talented.

Wicked.

Sing-along.

Or

Seattle breaks the bank to bring in another Jets QB cast off, Sam Darno.

Wickedly talented.

Wickedly talented.

I have no interest in.

And I have people in my hemisphere that are into wicked, but I'm not watching that.

Next.

This is my dad.

This is your dad?

This is the one who makes the eggnog on Christmas night.

That's nice.

Texas Big Dog.

Hell yeah.

he changed his name so he could comment on every video without anyone being like is that justin graver's dad so yeah well wow like just a huge salute to a great father who's got a great son you know awesome what a look texas eating the eggnog yes sir i would love to have some of the texas big dogs eggnogs on on that coldest average like that's like if i were in texas beautiful house leafy right if i were in texas i would be drinking that eggnog right this minute you'd be slugging it down sess dog yeah spoonful after spoonful And you can spike it with anything you want, any sort of detrimental chemical.

I love this.

Real actual tiger.

I think this might be it.

This might be the nickname for our

viewers, listeners, the hedonists.

It is.

Pretty good.

It's great.

That's pretty damn good.

Real actual tiger, the hedonists.

Yep.

It's funny because the people on the stream right now, we're all here together when that happened.

We now have a name for you guys.

You're the hedonists.

I love that.

It's not far from the truth.

Thank you, Adam.

The wickedly talented Adam Scalani.

Anything else, Justin?

You want a football question or should we call it?

What was the show about?

I need a break.

I think we had some from Zumwalt.

I thought I saw Zumbald in the chat.

I started.

You start it.

He and I are doing

a Rolling Thunder broadcast tomorrow at 8 a.m.

on the Western front, on the Western time zone.

Well, with that in mind, I think that ties in nicely to what Jason had for us.

Are you sure you started?

I'm perfect.

Shake me out of bed at 7 a.m.

You're not going to be sleeping, you silly billy.

I can't find it, but it is.

Okay.

Zumwalt, look at the...

Oh, look at Zumwalt doing his big daddy sexy.

Look at that picture.

That is amazing.

Who took that photo?

Did Jane?

Jay.

Can you send us the full shot of that photo so we can put it up?

Because that is

Jay

losing sexuality.

Did like the Connecticut photographer come over, like a high school Connecticut girl photographer come over and take his photo?

He's like, babe, get over here.

I got to look hot.

Give me a pitch for the Patreon boys.

Make it sexy.

Like that photo.

Let's go.

Jason has some concerning interests.

I would say that.

I'd start there.

All right.

What is the next edition of Rolling Thunder, your shared podcast with Jason Zumwalt?

This is the wrong time and place because you're going to hate this, but there was a very rare

Star Wars Christmas album that came out that featured, and sorry, like if you asked, but like it featured the actual actor, Anthony Daniels, who played C-3PO.

And it was,

but it is the first recorded...

Bon Jovi vocals of all time.

He is in multiple songs.

It's the first ever Bon Jovi appearance on any sound recording of all time.

So he's in a couple of these songs.

So it's got a little bit of history to it.

I think we'll talk about that a little bit, then we'll just go down some other roads.

So it's a Star Wars Bon Jovi hybrid.

Well, he's not billed as Bon Jovi.

I think he was literally like a studio intern or something that they were like, can you go do this?

Yeah.

That his uncle or something ran like the record plant or some type of big studio in New York City.

Wow.

Okay.

So you've done five episodes or so of Rolling Thunder, and now we're up to two, three.

This is our fourth.

Well, well, hold on.

So, but there's lots of, there's lots.

This also, it was Christmas time, so it's, it is Christmas-based.

So, like, you know.

Wait, Jason was asking me to plug it.

It doesn't matter what the subject matter is.

Zumwalt Sessler is fire.

That's a pairing.

Whatever we talk about, that's like 40% of it.

But then the rest is like we just go down other little roads, you know?

Wow, that's great.

Hold a sacks.

And speaking of like other content, me and Bob on the Throwback podcast,

we're getting Christmas night texts from SestDog about Blues Traveler.

So we're going to have to have to dig in deep.

Well, I feel passionately.

I never asked to appear on that show.

I've loved doing it.

I think twice I've done it, or maybe a third that was canceled because we were,

were we a little too sauced, maybe?

I don't know what the deal was.

But like

when I, when I pitch being on this one, it's because I care about this

topic.

I care about Blues Traveler.

Very good.

I love that.

And I think the one that went went into the vault was we did a

episode, and it got a little bit like

a bunch of guys in their 40s in a rented garage just talking about their ex-girlfriends.

And it was just like, we got to put this one in the vault.

It got a little murky.

It's got to go in the vault.

Yeah, I don't have a problem that it was.

Anything else, Justin?

Also, somewhat looks like Bruce Arian's stunt double.

Oh, I can see that.

I can see that

to some degree.

Yep.

I would say he is hotter than Bruce Arians.

He's younger and hotter, sure.

Karen, can we still call you heroes or is that an old pod thing only?

No, we are the heroes.

Forever and always.

I don't have a problem with that label.

Z's bat dealer.

I logged in for the first time just to say hedonists is awesome.

This is how this works.

They came up with an idea here in real time that is

pitch perfect.

Yep.

Yeah, we, sure.

People are asking also to

finish things.

Many people are asking.

Many people are asking.

They're asking questions

about merch.

Merch.

Merch.

We are working on merch.

Merch is coming.

And I mean, hedonists on a shirt.

Ooh, baby, that sings.

And I'm proud to be an American.

And yes, please.

Check out i Dream and Red.

That is not merchant.

Mark's right-leaning private newsletter.

If you were to go look look at the most recent and read one page of it, you would realize this is absolutely nonsense.

Here, in all seriousness, I don't want you changing the content of I Dream and Red to now push back at a narrative that you're not

hyper.

This is why he wants to do Blues Traveler.

Oh, Justin.

Now we got to end the show.

Now we got to have the show.

That's nice wordplay by Justin, though, but that also is a disconnect.

I hope your father didn't hear that and watch that.

Because I know he's proud of you, but you just threw everything away with that.

Wait, I have the perfect drop for that.

Justin has been an asset to us, man.

Yeah, he has.

Right.

But is that true?

Did you are you talking about loose traveler because you want to show that you're more centrist?

No, I think like I just feel misunderstood in general.

So this is just same, you know, same all the time.

Packed into that, you know.

Well, thank you to the to the hedonists out there.

It would be funny, actually, if we had the MAGA hat, but it just, it was the red hat and it just said, I dream in red.

I actually like kind of

like that is, that is a sort of, it's sort of a zine.

It's meant to be like an old school zine from like the early 90s or something kind of thing, right?

Mid-90s.

That's the style of it.

But like, I came up with that title literally like in 2000, early 2000s.

None of this would have been seen that way.

And so I just went back to use the same old title.

And now I'm getting labeled as, you know, X, Y, and Z.

So have a nice time.

It's stuff being in the public eye, you you know because you can't always that's not what I'm saying oh that's not what I'm saying anyway

there's only so much you can control you know well especially when my co-host is like you know throwing me off a cliff four times you know in 10 minutes so yeah

that was the last Thursday night football game so thank you to everyone that's followed along all you know that's a notch that's a notch in the season when you start to lose little things that's a check mark.

Yep.

So, but we're just getting warmed up as we come toward the end of the regular season.

Draft on Friday morning on the Patreon.

Speaking of that, patreon.com/slash heed the call.

And then Sunday, recap in every game.

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