TNF Recap: Broncos-Chargers (LIVE!)

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Justin, what did you feel like was the turning point of this game tonight?

His run.

I mean, unreal.

He was

snip arming people left and right.

I've never seen anything like it.

What was it like inside that huddle ahead of that game ceiling drive?

It's been like that all day, man.

Everybody know what time it is.

We treated this game like a playoff.

And I'm real proud of my teammates for how they fought today.

I'm proud of the Chargers, too.

Yeah.

Good job, guys.

Welcome to Heed the Call.

I'm Dan Hansis with the great Mark Sessler, who's wearing Levi, which just tells you that this is going to be a special show.

You asked me to.

Yeah, and it looks great.

It looks as great as it ever has, maybe even better.

You requested it

on our, you know, in a previous episode, and I want to fulfill your dreams and your wishes.

Justin Herbert and Gus Edwards there with Kaylee Hartung on the penultimate Thursday night football of the season.

A 34-27 win for the Los Angeles Chargers over the Denver Broncos.

Broncos had a chance to clinch a division or excuse me, clinch a playoff spot, but that will have to wait.

And now the Chargers knocking on the door of a return to the playoffs under Jim Harbaugh.

Both teams 9-6.

And what I meant by that, Sesdog, is, you know, good for the Chargers.

I'm happy for the Chargers.

I'm happy for Chargers fans, and we could have fun with who are the Chargers fans.

And yeah, there are more Broncos fans at SoFi Stadium today.

However, yes, there are Chargers fans because this has been a fan base over,

you know, they've been around since 1960 or so.

And

so many years, especially in the last, in our football watching years, the last 20, 30 years or so, the Chargers, especially after a difficult first half, coming off a blowout loss at home last week, it certainly felt like a little bit of a Chargers Chargering scenario.

And yet, for them to flip this game on its ear for the defense to come to life in the second half and then for Justin Herbert to lead the way on a 90 yard drive to put the game away this felt different and this is why the chargers feel different with Jim Harbaugh at the head of the table yeah like we had asked for this even in our midweek show with Connor like

Chargers start to become what Jim Harbaugh's promised and you came off a lashing by the Bucs.

And I think teams at this stage of the season, you go one of two ways.

Like that takes you down and you're like, we know who we are and we're out.

But this, I can think of you, Dan, like going back to our old show, like you would ask for so often, so many times for Justin Herbert to step up and have a game that kind of cement.

like a bookmark game, like show us who you are, like who's your personality, what are you, be tough, be ribboldry.

And like, here we go.

And like this was 21 to 6.

They outscored Denver in the second half tonight.

And it really was a game that felt a little bit lost for them.

And they turned it around, and it really had to do with the quarterback.

And, like,

this makes me believe that they are on the right path.

I don't know what it means for this year and the playoffs this year, but just it's about the I had asked on the midweek show for like the Harbaugh experience to be part of this, and I think we got it tonight.

So, yeah, and that's what I'm kind of what I mean.

When this game is going a certain way before that

Before halftime it really did feel like oh Jim Harbaugh was supposed to make the chargers different right

and Instead of different

you get

Instead of the same old thing

you get a totally different vibe for this team and the way they turn

Who cares about anything?

We do need to talk about this.

Who cares about anything that happened in this dumb game?

The only thing that matters

is Dicker the kicker.

In fact, it all ties together because this whole game on some level turns on an obscure NFL rule that leads to the Chargers making the NFL's first

fair catch kick since 1976.

Wild.

Outrageous.

And I don't know how much love we've given to Cameron Dicker on the show the last couple of years, but he is a very, very good kicker.

And when that played out the way it did, it looked like the Chargers were going to go into halftime down 11.

Just can't get a stop on defense.

Offense sputtering.

Herbert throws a bad interception near the red zone.

And after a quick three and out by the Broncos, they're punting it away.

There's triple zeros on the clock, but a fair catch interference penalty sets up one of the and this i love and i know you love it too mark because you like the the bizarre cutting through the mundane nature of life and especially the mundane nature of an nfl regular season when it's december 19th for that to

play out the way it did and for and i got to give a shout out who is Justin, who is the, is it Terry McCauley?

Is he the rules guy?

That sounds right.

No, you're the producer.

Go look it up.

Well, so that's also just an open-ended question to Justin that sets him up for, you know, he's trying to do lots of things, buttons.

He's like, yes, please hold.

I'll let you know.

Terry McCauley, that was the Super Bowl for the rules analyst.

And in a huge spot.

Is it Terry McCauley?

Yes.

Terry McCauley

comes up huge.

He knows exactly what's happening.

He knows that the Chargers have two options there.

They could take over possession of the ball and throw a Hail Hail Mary because a half cannot end on a defensive penalty, or you could get a free kick.

And Mark, to the credit of Dicker the kicker, he pipes it from 57, and it ends up being a huge kick because I know the Broncos scored the first points of the second half, but it did feel like some of the mojo of the game shifted in a very unique scenario.

I think so too.

And

I had this question.

Tierry, Tierry Macaulay.

Go ahead.

This is the So the last attempted one of these, and

people in the chat are asking what this even means.

So

this hasn't been attempted since 2019.

So if you fair catch a kick with no time left, you have a chance to free kick it from wherever the spot was.

And so that's what happened there.

And it's very rare.

And I have to say this, I was kind of wondering this.

And let me know what you think.

But

I don't know if

I think every coach knows enough enough to know this is an option.

But the fact that it's not happened in

five years and half a decade, and it hasn't been successful since the 70s,

I think that this is an unusual harbaugh obsession type of scenario where they went for it in this one moment.

And you're right, that it was, it was a changing, a game-altering moment.

It's faith in your kicker, but it was also just knowing the rules.

And like, I almost wonder, like, if the, if the, if the refs are like, wait, what are we trying to do here?

Thank you, Justin.

Like, well, I'll I'll attempt to make a comment, and you'll sit there on 14 edibles, like just unspooling anything.

I'm just saying, that's actually,

that's big man, Mark.

That's not funny, man, Mark.

No, this was literally, this was like a really unusual moment in the NFL season.

And I just don't know if every coaching staff gets this right.

Justin, this is a moment that requires gravitas, and your little drops are not worthy during Mark's monologue, okay?

I love Justin's.

He He said knowing the rules very well.

So it seemed like an appropriate moment to hit

Harry.

I don't know.

Sorry.

I get it.

Well, it's also, we get it that it's your paramour that voiced that.

So it's like, let's get hurt.

It's all nice.

But like, anyways.

Can I just say, like, I think this really was a pretty Jim Harbaugh moment, like obsession, power, fire.

And you hope, I know it.

You hope if your coaching staff doesn't know the situation, then you got to get the coaching staff out of the building because there's only 32 jobs and 32 coaching staffs at the highest level of professional football.

I'm expecting them to know the rules, right?

But angriest with this comment, scorigami is the successful fair catch kick of points.

This is the shit I care about.

This is the score of me I like.

It's like,

wait, something hasn't happened in goddamn 48 years.

Give me all that.

I'll take all that you got of the fair, the free kick field goal from 57 out.

And in all seriousness, like it did feel like it changed the energy.

I so agree.

And it went, you know, that went straight into the half.

And then when the Chargers came out of the tunnel, and I'm not saying it's because of the free kick, but it's sports are funny sometimes.

The fact that a different team showed up is just, that's sports common man.

Like, I love that you could go into a tunnel and then come out a different team.

Now, in fairness, it's not just pixie dust, right?

It's not like

Jim Harbaugh is the head coach, and he's hired a coaching staff that can go into a tunnel, go into a locker room, make adjustments.

And it's not like he's coaching against Jeff Ulbrich on the other side, right?

He's coaching against a guy that is a big-time coach in his own right, and Sean Payton.

So that's what, to me, what this game's about.

Do I think that either of these teams are Super Bowl bound?

No.

Do I think the Broncos are going to crater?

No, but it got a little interesting.

We're going to get to that.

The AFC playoff picture finally has maybe a little bit of juice to it, but the Chargers have leadership.

And Justin Herbert, God bless him.

And I'm watching the game with my father-in-law, Bob Bates, DDS.

And we're just like enjoying Herbert, again, as like the ultimate male, like as a quarterback.

Yeah, it really is.

This guy,

6'6.

Yeah.

Also, again, this is coming off the fiasco of watching that.

That holiday film where my wife was commenting on the size of the feet of the male lead.

You're not going to win in either of these scenarios.

now, in this, and then tonight, I have my wife and my mother-in-law saying how cute Justin Herbert is during the post-game interview.

And he's also, you know, he's like the size of a human.

Like, I'm with you, where it's like the one thing I'm watching football, it's like with the night, I watch it with my girlfriend's like that.

And then you got Kirk Herbstreets freaking out, like, that's a giant man.

He's six foot seven.

He's like, you know what?

I don't, like, I don't, you know what I mean?

It's not the PR.

I don't need the PR angle here.

But he is.

He is.

And I know I've been a little harder on Herbert than

the football cognizante

wanted to put justin herbert in the hall of fame after a couple spirals yeah what i've needed to see is moments like this moments like that final 90 yard drive and to in his defense it wasn't his fault that it hasn't happened to this point in five years Every quarterback needs the right system and the right coach.

And I think he finally has that.

So that's what I take out of this game more than anything else, Mark, that the Chargers are dangerous because there's finally some professionalism connected to this incredibly talented quarterback that has every tool you would ever want in a franchise passer.

Charisma, maybe he's lacking that, but he's got everything else.

And you saw when it was time to close out the game, how he was able to lead them to the promised land.

So if I'm a Chargers fan and it's been a rough go, especially the last 10 years, really the last 60 years, but the last 10 years specifically, I'm feeling really good right now, if I'm a Chargers fan.

I'm like, we're going in the right direction.

I got a grown-up leading the way.

I got a 26-year-old quarterback play his balls off in a big spot now.

And you give him a couple more players around Lad McConkey and keep that offensive line.

The Chargers are a good spot.

Good for them.

Yeah, we've needed that.

I'm with you because I think with both of these teams, they're kind of similar to me.

in the sense that you're in a division that's been dominated by the Chiefs for ages.

And so, like, progress.

I'm not so concerned about where the final destination is this year, but like now these two will become formidable because I think Sean Payton equally has done an incredible coaching job and changed the way you feel about the Broncos.

And so someone had to stumble tonight.

But, you know, I think it's interesting that the Chargers with so many similar defensive players as the previous coaching staff, which their whole mantra was like,

we're going to take the defense and make them formidable.

And And they were a disaster, the highest paid defense in the league, a complete disaster.

And tonight, you go after that first half, and I think you're right.

The bad first half.

That bad first half, but then you hold them to a field goal, a punt, punt, punt, and then a field goal that meant very little at the end.

And it's like, I think that mattered.

Like, you've now swept the Denver Broncos.

So, by the way, like, that's huge because it's not that different than if the Steelers ever beat the Ravens this weekend.

Like,

just get to the same record as them.

You're in.

And, like, they're both going to, it's like, we're there.

But, like, I believe in the Chargers in terms of a mission statement with this coaching staff.

All right.

Hold that thought right there.

It's a good place to take a brief break and we'll be right back to get to the Broncos side of things, which is interesting as well.

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Rules and

All right, we're back.

So, the charges.

By the way, I feel like I seem like Patty Hearst in that ad read.

Have I just been kidnapped and taken up the coast?

What was going on there?

Like, I need to read it.

I don't know.

I mean, you did the read.

Well, I get that.

Only you can speak on behalf of yourself.

Well, we do the show and then we rip those out after, and it's kind of like, you know, the clock is ticking.

Like, I should put more thought in that because those get replayed over and over.

It's like, let's put a little more work into those.

And

let me build up some tension tension within the group.

Justin, do you think Mark has to be better on the ad reads?

Well, I say I do.

Do you agree?

I think we can all always be better, right?

Thank you.

You're never 100% perfect.

That said, I do think it functions great as is.

So we could keep using it, but we could redo it as well.

Diplomatic.

You know what?

I'm glad that we talked this out.

Mark, you're going to have to stay behind after the taping to redo all of your ad reading.

Well, it's not going to happen tonight.

No,

it would be a different time.

Push it down the road.

That's what I do.

All right.

So the Broncos to nine and six.

The Broncos could have

clinched a playoff spot, instead, see their four-game winning streak snapped.

But they're okay.

They still have an 85% chance of making the playoffs.

But the schedule is a little,

let's just keep an eye on it.

And I'm not rooting against the Broncos.

I think the Broncos are a good story in their own right.

And even, again, in my conversations with my father-in-law, Bob Bates, DDS,

that should be one of our Patreon, like just you and him talking, you know, ball and whatever else is happening.

It would be a quiet kind of a less propulsive podcast, but maybe a great one.

I'll think about it.

But you have two quarterbacks and you're watching Herbert, who's, again, like the ultimate male and like the prototype for what you would want your quarterback to look like.

That's not necessarily Bo Nicks, but Nicks had

mostly in the first half, of course,

reminded you why the Broncos are very good hands too in their long term.

But in the short term, they have Cincinnati on the schedule and they have the Chiefs on the schedule in week 18.

Do we have a tweet that has a little more depth on this?

Yeah, Bert had this.

If the Chargers hang on, things, blah, blah, blah.

They did.

The Bengals are 6-8.

They play.

Oh, look at Mark.

Look at us talking about the Bengals playoff hopes on December 19th.

It kills me, doesn't it?

Via Burt.

The Bengals are 6-8.

They play the Browns on Sunday, 7-8.

Denver the next week.

So if they beat the Broncos,

you know, Denver's still 85% chance.

But if you're looking for a little bit of juice, Bengals stomp the Browns, and then we get a little bit of juice after that.

But Denver is still in a good place.

So

here we go.

And I think it's a disappointing loss for the Broncos on their side of it, Mark, because it just felt like everything was locked in.

They score in their first three drives.

They're up 21-10.

Will Lutzit's a field goal midway through the third quarter?

They're up 24-13.

And then it all goes away.

And I hadn't seen that.

And I think this was, I don't think this is even the worst thing for the Broncos because I think

how you react to adversity,

they didn't react well tonight, but they hopefully they learn from it.

And then you have, again, a very good coaching staff in Denver.

And next time they're in this spot, maybe they handle it different.

But this is kind of a little bit of growing pains we saw in this game, I thought, for a Broncos team that's been an upstart unit that had a chance to punch their ticket today.

It will have to wait and we'll see how they react from probably a very frustrating loss.

And I'm sure that locker room was not a pleasant place.

I guess the most surprising part is

the defense, which has been incredible.

You give up a 10-play touchdown drive, a seven-play touchdown drive, a six-play, 90-yard touchdown drive.

Like, that's uncharacteristic for what we've been viewing from Denver, but division game.

And no one knows better than Sean Payton that like this stuff happens.

But you're right.

Like I think, again, I think these are two teams that are growing up before our eyes.

And like I don't really need to judge them finally tonight.

Like they're going to get into the playoffs.

Like we'll see what happens.

I will say one thing though about the Bengals.

Like because

I've been trying to fork them, but

what team scares you more?

The Bengals, the Broncos, or the Chargers?

If you had to go face one of them, like I know the answer.

I know what my answer is.

And it's not one of the two teams we saw tonight.

The Bengals, the Broncos, or the Chargers?

The Bengals, I do not want to deal with at any time, anywhere.

They're kind of like

a drunken uncle that might just go punch out the entire family and drive a car off a cliff.

Like, they could do anything.

I don't know what they could do.

Yeah, they're the berserker team.

Right.

Most likely, unless somebody gags, and then all of a sudden, they could be playing on Saturday wild card weekend.

I still think it's a long shot.

But yeah, we should talk about before we get out of here, Mark,

what precipitated the 90-yard touchdown drive that put this game away for the Chargers was a decision by Sean Payton, a guy that you kind of see as a guy who's not afraid to put his trust in the offense.

But he blinked in this game.

The Broncos take over in the fourth quarter, and they go three and out, and they punt the ball away on fourth and sixth from the Denver 49.

So they're at midfield with four and a half minutes to go, and they execute the punt beautifully, in fact.

It was a 41-yard punt caught by Davis, I think, inside, what was it, inside the 10-yard line.

But according to this fourth-down decision, which I don't trust, I'll be the first one to say it.

Well, it's an, you know, a robot.

We're dealing with drones.

We're dealing with people's jobs are being taken away by AI.

I ain't buying it.

Yeah.

But anyway, if you're young and nerdy and

you're white, like you love these little things, so have a good time.

Well, you could be any color in love with me.

I'm being nerdy.

I can't do, Mark.

It's I have a few people in my mind.

I have some people in my mind that I'm fine.

I understand that.

I understand that, but we don't need to put color in there.

Take me out back.

Take me out back.

That's fine.

Down three, fourth and six, 51 yards from the opponent end zone.

Go for it.

Your winning percentage is 26%,

39% success rate.

Punt, 21%.

So it's not like it's an overwhelming thing, but you had a chance there, I thought, to

really put a stamp on the game and take it.

and said, you put it in the hands of your defense, and then the defense lets you down.

So, I'm sure Peyton was asked about it after the game.

Justin, I don't know if it's out there or anything, but that is frustrating.

I don't think that was egregious or anything by Peyton, but those decisions, especially in the modern NFL, they get scrutinized more than ever.

And when you're near midfield and you have a choice to make to let your quarterback/slash offense put you in the driver's seat or trust your defense, man, I'm usually going to trust if I like my quarterback and I trust my scheme, I'd rather be the aggressor rather than literally be on the defensive.

And we saw how it worked because

once the Chargers took over, it's first and 10 at their own 10, a run for no gain, incomplete.

It's third and 10 on the Chargers' 10, and then things get.

crazy.

Herbert scrambles, biggest play of the game, 16 yards, first down.

Now they're at the 26.

Gus Edwards up the middle for 43 yards.

A huge run and a huge spot for longest run of the charge, I believe.

Wow.

And then they're all of a sudden at the Denver 31.

Edwards, again, minus three yards.

Timeout by Denver.

And then on second and 13 at the Denver 34, Herbert hits Haskins for 34 yards, touchdown, and the game is over.

It got away quickly from the Broncos in this one.

You know, like,

I'd love to hear.

I'd love to, like,

if we could, I don't want to have drinks with Sean Payton, but if you could go out and like, oh, I would love to have drinks with you.

You would love that.

He gave me COVID, I think, actually, like at the combine.

Well, one of the first people to get COVID, but like I did.

Yeah, one of the great, we got to talk about this now.

Yeah.

We were at, what was the league event?

Was it the owners' meetings?

Yeah, it was like, well, no, it was the combine.

It was Indianapolis.

It was Indianapolis, and we were at the hotel.

It was later in the evening.

We're at the hotel bar.

It's the hub of activity.

And it was our whole crew.

And I remember like looking at West, like, where's Mark?

Where's Mark?

And we turn, and then there's the corner, the deep corner of this lobby has a collection of some of the brightest minds in coaching in the National Football League.

And then Sessler, and here's the thing you got to know about Mark.

I hope everybody on the live stream at some point gets to hang out with Mark when he's, you know, three sheets to the wind or four or seven.

Multiple sheets.

And he floats over.

Like he, it's like there's a skip.

There's like a jaunty skip to Mark when he's overserved.

He literally skips into the middle of this circle of coaches and just starts conversating.

And we're like, what is he saying?

What is he talking about?

And to your credit, Mark, it was,

if there, 100 people did what you did, 98 of those people and maybe 99 get cast out immediately.

Yeah.

But these coaches, who are all also very.

It was Bill O'Brien, Sean Payton.

Who else was it?

It wasn't Kyle Shanahan, but it was someone in that milieu.

They welcomed you.

They welcomed you.

Tolerated.

I remember you being in that conversation.

They tolerated.

Because they tolerated.

Well, I tolerated.

I wasn't there.

I was from a distance.

But

yes, and Sean Payton was in that crew.

So maybe you guys are tight.

I don't know.

But well, let me, can I, for truth, because that did happen.

It did.

But this was literally a completely different event in Indian, that gigantic Indianapolis bar where like Jerry Jones is there with his bus outside, right?

At the Marriott, yeah.

Well, yeah, but no, it's the famous Indy Combine bar.

But like it was right before COVID.

Oh, Prime Steakhouse.

It was Prime.

It was right before COVID blew up hardcore.

And

like I, Sean Payton was exiting out of the bar and I said, like, Coach, how are you?

Good to see you.

And he's like, hey, man, good to see you.

I'll be right back in a minute to talk with you.

No, you won't.

Like, we shook hands, but then he got, like a news story came out that he caught covet the next day and we're flying out and i had put my glass of wine i had picked up a girl's glass of wine there was like a some luxurious it had to be a girl's glass well no but she was a luxurious girl sitting with her gal pound like sex addiction you wanted to touch her wine glass

yeah you're addicted to sex i would more say that it was late in the night but i just picked up her glass and just took a huge sip if i didn't put it down then she was like i'm done with that glass but then and a good good job by her because payton i we learned had covet the next day, and I had shook hands with him and then, you know, imbibed from someone else's glass.

So these are multiple events with Sean Payton, and we've also never really had a respectful conversation.

So I don't even know what we're talking about anymore.

But Sean Payton,

he has to live with regret.

Justin, jump in because I'm having a conversation with Mark, and then a text screen pops up and all caps just says liar.

And I'm like, who's he even talking about?

What are you talking about?

Oh, yeah, you're supposed to be looking at those.

Sean Payton said he thought about going forward on fourth and six but decided to punt and set instead sean payton said we got to be smarter we got to be smarter as coaches as well sean payton said the broncos practice fair catch kicks quote all the time that's where the all caps liar came you all the time what is all the time Once in the install of the offense and special team stuff in August?

Is he talking about just in general, they're working on the punting drills and you're working on fair catch kicks, right?

Oh, no, it's fair catch.

You're right.

That is a lie.

That's a big, fat lie.

Sean Payton would never lie, right?

I don't think so.

I don't believe so.

All right.

Anything else on this game?

Good game.

Buying it.

After a very rough week 15 primetime slate, we're back on the horse in week 16, and we only have one more TNF game left.

Yeah, I think that's my note.

It's just like we were just doing our opening show, and suddenly we've got one more TNF game.

I like this one, Ryan Adamson.

Mark, with his unassuming charm, wins the day with a high society of NFL coaches.

I believe it.

It happened.

I've seen it happen.

I've seen Mark,

I mean, as long as I've known Mark, this is like 15 years,

barge into conversations at bars with total strangers.

He has no business.

I mean, it could be people that it looks like they're discussing the death of a loved one, and Mark will float in doing this thing.

And then I'll be like, oh, no, oh, shit, oh, shit.

And then all of a sudden, 10 minutes later all all three of those people or all six of those people are in conversation it's a skill you have mark well i've married one of their daughters by the end of the night like that's like it's i don't know how i am experiencing enjoyment

anything from the chat and thank you to everybody that's on the chat right now uh there's one i definitely wanted to hit here from sid home80.

Am I misremembering or did Mark compare Herbert to Michael Jordan at some point of time on the former show?

I don't know if this is a victory lap night.

I did.

I did.

And

I think I got, and now I'm very immune to this, but I got caught in the

super nerd world where everyone's fanning out over the same person.

But I also saw it in Justin Herbert with my own eyes.

And I now realize you've got to slow your roll a little bit.

Give it four or five years.

We don't need to announce people.

And Anthony Richardson is one of these.

Like before someone's played a game and everyone's just like nerding out and like their bodies are on fire and like the blood vessels are going it's like let's just calm down let's give it a little bit of time because what happens is and we're seeing that with Richardson

is that

if the player doesn't match up with the hype then you have two choices.

If you're in the Twitter echo chamber, you could either admit like, hey, maybe I jumped the gun on this, or you could dig your heels in and start saying, oh, you're not watching the game, or this guy's, they're dropping all the passes and blah, blah, blah.

But I think Herbert, if he were MJ, and MJ is one of one, he would have been lighting up the league.

That's completely different than basketball.

He would have been lighting up the league.

And it's called Patrick Mahomes.

Well, no, like...

Well, but Mahomes was pretty young.

He started winning right away.

Like, the NFL equivalent of MJ would be a guy almost like closer to Marino, maybe, where you're lighting up the league statistically.

Like, Jordan was the most gifted, exciting player in the NBA for eight years, seven years before before he won.

But it wasn't until Phil Jackson showed up and they put a couple more pieces around him that he became a champion on top of being the best player.

That has been Herbert's arc.

He's never been the guy that has the biggest stat line or like the face of the league.

Jordan was the face of the league before he won a title.

It was only when he won a title when he went nuclear.

But I think that's why Jordan is hard for anybody to live in.

There's no innate difference.

It sounds a little like Peyton Manning.

Peyton was like lamented for the first six, eight years of his career for never winning the big one.

But he had the numbers, but he didn't have the juice that Jordan had.

Yeah, like I think, like, so I'm with you.

I'm with Daniel.

Lamar?

No, it's not.

Well, actually, I'd say this.

If Lamar suddenly won a Super Bowl, and like, so part of the reason that you get Jordan.

Four or five or six.

But if you get Jordan breaking down in tears, like literally shaking, his body shaking when he won a title, it's because of everything you just said, Dan.

That like he was that good.

But the team around him, the coaching, everything, it's like, then he got the title on top of it.

So I kind of like Lamar in the sense that it's got to be someone that we, who has been dominant, but we're not ready to crown or whatever the word is.

Well, Lamar also, like Peyton, had statistics, had trophies, but

he's never been the face of the league.

No.

I mean, Jordan's like, everybody wants to do it because it's fun.

We don't have to have an ⁇

that came at a different time in sports, in a different, literally a different sport.

But like the Jordan experience, like I don't see an NFL player right now like that.

I just don't because they're overly celebrated before they do anything.

I mean, the closest thing to Jordan, honestly, was LeBron.

Like, LeBron was a celebrated superstar.

It took him some time, but LeBron needed to change teams and recruit his own.

Anyway, we'll say but

to win one for Cleveland,

LeBron, that's pretty close to

the more that was different.

That was pretty epic and heroic.

Yeah, I love LeBron.

I've enjoyed his whole career.

But I'm just saying he had to go to Miami and recruit a super team to win first one.

But all right, anyway, good stuff.

Good stuff.

What do you think, Justin, about that Soto deal?

I mean, now we're just straight up Sports Talk Radio.

I also just saw an incredible comment about Justin, but I'm not going to bring it up.

Well, you already did.

What?

No, just in the chat.

I don't think it's fair either.

I think it's fair.

Was it this one?

Yeah, that's not fair, Mark.

It's not fair for you to say it than not.

You either say it or you don't say it.

There's audio listeners who can't see the chat.

Yeah, go ahead, Mark.

Now you're in too deep.

Unless you want to really parachute out and then we will.

No, I'll instead say, I believe that Justin

is a capable and incredible.

Yeah, it might be that one.

All right.

Why did we do this?

All right.

Watch on YouTube if you want to know what this comment says.

I didn't mean to.

Like, you're right.

I did not mean to.

You guys need to have a sit-down table.

Or do I have to be in the do I have to mediate it?

Is that how it works now?

Because we're.

Yes, I think you know.

All right, thank you to everybody.

Stupid.

Thank you to everybody.

Oh, this is a good one.

Bo Nix looks like one of those 35-year-old college kids in an 80s lecture movie.

Kind of does.

But I like Bo Nix too.

Broncos are probably going to be okay.

Chargers,

they're flying high.

And let's see where they go from here.

Thank you to everybody for checking us out.

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