TNF Recap: Eagles-Commanders NFC East Clash

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So six wins in a row, you just gave me a list of things you need to do better moving forward.

But how did the team get better tonight?

We found a way to persevere.

You know, different obstacles, different challenges,

trying their hardest to hold us back.

But we didn't budge.

And as a team, I think we had each other's backs.

There was never a shadow of doubt.

You know, when you got guys that can step up and make plays at any moment, you just have to have faith in that, have faith in the work.

We'll enjoy this little mini bop.

That's what you just got to do.

You know,

when a reporter or a sideline person

like Kaylee Hardtong asks you, you know, how did you do it?

How did you do it?

You don't really have an answer.

It's just like, you know, in reality, you just outplayed your opponent.

But you have to give an answer.

You just say, well, you know, we persevered.

And what can you say?

Because they did in a lot of ways because they were down the Philadelphia Eagles at halftime on Thursday night football.

But then they took absolute control

in

23 consecutive points control of this big NFCE showdown on the way to a 26 to 18 win over the Washington Commanders who have suddenly cooled off as the competition has heated up.

Dan Hans is here with Mark Sessler, with the gravedigger on the ones and twos.

It's a big, big night for the Eagles, Mark, and I talked about it on the preview is that I hadn't been overly impressed with their schedule of opponents and their victories.

And even though this is a home game and you could say, well, yeah, they should win this game.

Nah, I'm going to give the Eagles their flowers and Eagles fans can hear me as I say this.

It was a very nice win for Philadelphia, who overcame a terrible day from their kicker.

They badly outgained the Commanders 434 to 264 in yardage.

Another monster Saquon Barkley effort.

And in many, all the most important ways, including the final score, are the superior team and obviously the heavy favorite to win the NFCE.

So kudos to the Eagles, Sess Dog.

Yeah, I think there's like a, well, maybe it's maybe because most of my discussing football happens on this show.

I mean, if not 98% of it,

that there there seems to be some

feeling around the Eagles where they're like,

we've been a little annoyed by them, some of their coaching decisions, the Nick Siriani factor, the whole thing.

And there was a trick play tonight that was an absolute disaster that seemed like it could have been at one point like the unspooling of another disaster for the Eagles.

But instead,

I think they're much better than we thought.

Even if nobody wants it.

Like I right now, I was taking a look at my power rankings early because I'm very professional.

But

I'd put them up at number three, to be honest.

Like I really would at this point.

I think

their star power, when they flex their muscles, reflects that.

And the way that they were dominant down the stretch, and I think Saquon Barkley is an MVP candidate.

When they play well and they don't get in their own way with poor decision making, they can blow people up.

And I think that we're just looking at a Washington team that was very efficient.

I think they only had four turnovers coming into this game.

And so that's helped.

But Washington is growing.

And the Eagles right now are a team that had 10 wins before they had two losses a year ago.

And they look like that team again right now.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

So

let me ask you something because I think you've been a slower.

Not that I've jumped on some sort of Eagles bandwagon, but I do see a team that could pretty much hang with anyone.

Well, of course.

I'm not saying they can't do that.

But like, first, you know, power rankings, I'm a veteran, you're a novice.

Like, putting who you decide who's in the top three of the power rankings when nobody else has played this week.

I mean, that's a classic rookie move there, Sess Dog.

Well, for now, because we need to see.

Here, my personal power rankings entering week 11,

Lions, Chiefs, Ravens, Bills, Commanders, Eagles.

So I had the Eagles at six.

Obviously, they leapfrogged the Commanders.

But those four teams, the three teams in the AFC and in the, of course, the Lions, to me, so far, what I've seen this season is I put those teams above the Eagles.

But we've reached a point now where, you know, the Eagles are deserving of respect.

They've won six games in a row.

I still think that overall the schedule has been soft, and I think they've caught Washington now when they've been on kind of the down slope a little bit.

And I'm very interested to see what happens to the Commanders now as we head to the, you know, into the final half of the regular season.

Because remember, this is a commanders team that

has

turned heads and excited all of us

with the play of Jaden Daniels, this unbelievable rookie quarterback, and this revitalized Cliff Kingsbury narrative.

And the other Cliff Kingsbury narrative is that

Kingsbury teams get figured out in the second half.

So if I'm a Commanders fan, am I a little bit noisy right now that when the schedule stiffened up and I got Pittsburgh and Philly over a five-day stretch or a four-day stretch and saying the way the schedule is that they kind of stiffed in both spots?

Yes, that's concerning to me.

So I'm not taking it away from the Eagles, but I wonder where the commanders now, this doesn't feel like the commanders that were the world beaters of a few weeks back, but at the same time, like the reason they didn't look like world beaters is because Philadelphia is really humming on defense.

They absolutely dominated in the trenches in this game.

We know their linebacker play has been excellent.

They have these great young players in their secondary that

make plays every week.

This is a good stat from Next Gen Stats, Mark, that Terry McLaurin, who's had a big time year, obviously every week he's made plays until this week with Quinyon Mitchell on him, 20 routes, no targets.

I mean, and then Jaden Daniels for the second straight week.

And I really think that the rib injury,

before I bury Cliff Kingsbury or call the Commanders' flukes, you could kind of put a dividing line when Jaden Daniels hurt his ribs, and he's been a different player since.

And that's another thing to keep an eye on.

And now they have a mini-buy here to figure some things out.

Obviously, here's a little tweet from James Palmer, our buddy, the

underdog stud.

I was told pregame that Jaden Daniels is really showing how tough he is, and he's battling through this rib injury.

Have to wonder how much it's impacting him.

Yeah, Mark, he hasn't been the same explosive player since he hurt the rib,

and the Eagles really took advantage of that.

He's just not making the plays that he was.

Yeah, and I think this is that was a nice sound bite by Justin, the Vic Fangio soundbite.

This was a Fongio game, and I think this defense, and they talked about it, the fact that it's a younger group of core players that are open to his teaching.

And he,

I agree with you on the rib injury.

I wonder what's going on there because it does seem like that affected.

The second catch by a wide receiver for the Commanders tonight happened with 10 minutes to go in the game.

So it's like you're not getting Terry McLaurin involved the way that you were earlier on, and that's a different type of offense.

The Eagles, to me, like it's an Eagles story more than a Commander's one though.

Terry, scary, Terry Cara got married.

This is just Justin taking it.

Justin, it's late at night on the West Coast, and Justin's just going to go.

He's a radio DJ from a college radio station.

But

you overcome two misfield goals, a missed extra point.

You overcome the...

That's a problem, by the way.

Well,

I don't know if that's a game-by-game thing, because Jake Elliott's a good kicker, but that was an issue tonight.

But for them to not have that be the narrative, that by the end they were dominant.

You have a dominant running back.

And I do think if the Eagles,

they kind of remind me of the team.

I'm not saying entirely, but when they went to the Super Bowl,

what happened with them, that running game took over contests in the fourth quarter.

It just took over with power and might.

And like, we saw that tonight.

They have that kind of running back.

So that's a scary team if they can win games that way, if they can get into that position.

And they're clearly a step up above their division opponent.

I think it's a big night for that reason that this is the best team in the division.

Yeah.

Jalen Hurts is a winner.

He's a winner.

He wins.

Dan, talk to Justin, please.

We're going to be having a post-show conversation.

Yeah.

Yeah.

At the same time, the Eagles shut out in the first quarter, field goal in the second quarter, field goal in the third quarter.

They have six points entering the fourth quarter.

However, this was a

dam that broke, and it happens quickly in this game and gets away from the commanders in that way.

So So let's talk about it.

So you had, let's go through the play-by-play here.

You have, it's a

10-6 game after Jake Elliott finally makes a field goal of 5.32 in the third quarter.

And then they drive down the field, the Eagles in the fourth quarter.

They get the one-yard touchdown rush from Hurts.

Elliott...

pulls the PAT.

And the reason I say that's a problem, like usually when a kicker starts to, you know, shit the bed, you just get rid of him.

But when you have a kicker, same thing that's going on in Atlanta with Young Wakeu.

When the kicker has a track record, you're kind of held hostage a little bit because you

can't do anything rash.

You have to kind of ride it out, but you're also trying to win a Super Bowl, and every game is so important.

So you're just praying and hoping that he, you know, shakes it and he made some kicks at the end of this game that's important.

But anyway, so it's after the Hurts touchdown, it's 12-10,

and Washington takes over.

They go down the field.

They get it into Philadelphia territory, and they decide on fourth and two in field goal range.

Instead of kicking the field goal that could put him ahead by a point,

they decide to go for it.

It's a doomed play from the start where it's not a clean exchange.

Center to QB.

Daniels gets wrapped up and sent to the ground.

And then

before you know it, it's bang, Barkley, 23-yard touchdown rush.

Interception by Daniels.

Bang, Saquon Barkley, 39-yard touchdown rush.

And it goes from 12-10 Philly to 26-10 Philly in eight minutes of game time.

And it all said was over.

So it was, it was a closer game that maybe, and I know they put some lipstick on the pig Washington to get it back to an eight-point deficit, but the game got away from Washington quickly.

And to

Philadelphia, when you look at, like I said, with their team stats, they dominated this game.

They 434 to 264 total yards.

Time of possession, 33 to 26.

They did not turn the ball over.

And Saquon Barkley, as you said, is at the center of everything.

26 for 146.

The two backbreaking touchdowns in the fourth quarter, 198 yards total.

And you started to hear it, Mark starting to build again on Twitter.

Like, can a running back be an MVP?

I don't know.

It doesn't really happen.

Does he deserve to be in the conversation?

Absolutely.

Barkley, week after week after week, is making the Giants look more and more foolish.

And the Eagles and their fans are just loving it.

I don't think he'd be doing this with the New York Giants.

That would be my one.

We're a Tiffany franchise.

Okay.

It's a counter-argument to.

Justin, you can sit a couple plays out.

It's good.

It's okay.

Just take a break, bud.

Justin go take a sit.

It's a bit at this point.

It's an intentional bit.

I don't think he'd be doing this with the Giants.

I think this situation is an Eagles-centric scenario where it's their offensive line.

It's the function of the rest of their offense.

He leads the NFL.

To my point about how they'd, if you get them a lead,

once the game got out of hand,

they are able to drop a hammer.

He leads the NFL in explosive runs in the second half of games this season

and by a lot.

And I do think he's an MVP candidate in the sense that I'd throw Joe Burrow in there.

You got Josh Allen.

Mahomes will get in that.

In that conversation.

You've got Joe Burrow as an MVP candidate, and you've tried to fork the Bengals twice in

three weeks.

I am hearing other people call him bad on that way.

I think he's more like an Archie Manning a little bit on Team of the Bad Defense.

But yes, you're right.

But it's okay.

See, I said that during the daytime.

Now it's night.

So

I can counter my own opinions from the daytime.

But I think Burrow is playing that well.

But

there isn't an absolutely overt quarterback candidate that is blowing people out of the water in the sense that Barkley may have an avenue, but I don't think he'll win it.

It's Lamar.

It's Lamar.

If something were to happen to Lamar, or whether it's injury or a bad slump, the door opens.

What if Lamar loses to the Steelers on Sunday and then

they finish with 10 wins?

Does that matter?

He would have to kind of crater in the second half because it's a quarterback award.

But we talk about a narrative.

The narrative in place around Saquon is not only is he playing the best football of his career, he's doing it for the rival of the team that drafted him and all the drama that comes with that.

Like, for instance, when Barkley came up and he was, I think even right now, as we're recording this, he was at the dais

with the Amazon crew and the Eagles fans there are chanting, thank you, Giants.

Like, this is absolutely, and, you know, I don't have a ton of sympathy for Giants fans because as a Jets fan, like, I think about like all the great things that that Giants fans have had.

But this, this is absolutely the worst possible situation for the Giants and their fans, and the best possible situation for the Eagles and their fans.

Because Philadelphia and New York, it's oil and water.

And this is every week punctuating what a horrific decision the Giants made and what an incredible decision the Eagles made.

And I'm with you.

Like, I don't think Barkley wins MVP,

but like, it's not the fault of Barkley.

It's the way it's set up.

And quite frankly, Lamar has been so awesome this year that it's hard to look the other way.

But who's been more important to their team to have this old conversation, Mark?

Like, where would the Eagles be right now without Saquon Barkley?

Because to me, they're probably a five and five team.

Yeah.

Yep.

Something like that.

And you're right.

I think Lamar, you're right.

Like, you know, I'm just mentally cycling through these quarterbacks, but like Lamar is someone that's going to be about to win, potentially probably going to win his third MVP, which puts him in very rare territory in the history of the NFL.

And so that probably will happen.

But Barkley deserves just consideration for the fact that, like, when we talk about someone that changed the team that he was on that season, he is that person in every possible way.

Much more than Al Michaels, who I thought at the end of this broadcast tonight was basically

kind of writing off society.

Like, I think he was sort of saying goodbye to society.

Like, he just could not, like, I kind of, I'm at the point where I just enjoy listening to him because he he just, it's not cynicism.

I don't know what I describe it as, just a dismissiveness of everything that we as humans have set up in our in our civic world.

He just sort of is saying goodbye to you.

Like, am I wrong?

Like, it just do you have an example?

Oh, God, what was he saying?

Like,

because I know what it is, because I think he, I think, you know, I always sit out this anti-Al stuff because it's not even anti-Al.

Al is throwing.

I'm not saying you're anti-Al.

I'm saying I know full well that Peak Al

was throwing 98 to 101 with like a nasty hook and a wipeout slider.

Like, I know that, and I know the Al of today,

he throws about 88 and he doesn't really even throw the slider anymore.

He's got a little cutter and a change-up he messes with, and he kind of gets by with guts and guile and a little bit of Vaseline on his chest.

Like, and but that's good for me.

That Thursday Night Football as a product is a bit of a devalued operation, although they've gotten a lot better.

So, like, Al is a good fit for this for me, and I I just enjoy hearing his voice because I know we won't hear it forever.

But, like, I see the Al criticism week after week, and I know I was seeing it pop up again.

But I'm like, I'm out.

Like, you go have at it.

That's all.

Yeah.

So, I actually am like, I'm more just noticing this in him as a person.

Like, I'm with you in the sense that, you know, we come from a similar world where, like, the Al Michaels was the dominant voice.

And so

I'm kind of impressed he's still doing it at all.

And I think he's still competent.

But my example would be be when it's clearly someone fed him like a next-gen stats

number, and he's like, you know, making fun of the, he's like, you know,

he's like, my generation, we are from that, we're the last, I'm the last generation.

So, you know, he got that.

And I think what I notice is that because Kirk Herbstreet is so...

polite and I don't know if what the word would be kind of genial and you know he's like he's the guy that's like this young player this young man is an important person and like Al Michaels just doesn't fully want to deal with Kirk Herbstreet's anti-cynicism, his glowing love of life.

And like, I think, you know, Al Michaels is like, get me to the steakhouse.

I want three drinks laced together, one after the next, and I want a massive steak.

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Yeah.

Now, well, if we're going to talk, Al, I'll say a couple things.

First of all, he's turning 80 this week.

God bless him.

Well, you know, his star, his star on the Walk of Fame is just like about a block from where I live.

And I walk over it all the time.

And like,

I'm with you.

I dig him.

You know, he was a legend 25 years ago.

I mean, this guy is an all-timer.

I see a tweet here because he's trending, Al.

Thomas Casale

tweeted, someone should tell Al Michaels that sports betting is legal now, and the NFL is partners with sports books.

He can actually just tell everyone what the spread is instead of casually alluding to it like it's 1995.

It's a good point.

When he does it now, it doesn't have the same

mystery.

Yeah,

it's not that little wink between us and Al that used to, but I don't know if he even knows that.

So you just, same thing I've been, my theory that's been percolating about Jerry Jones.

Like, what does Jerry actually know and what's being kept from him?

We don't know.

Finally, my favorite Al moment of the night was Amazon's been pimping hard this like show cross.

It's some type of detective action thriller.

And I'll play this for you.

Yeah, I'm going to play this for you.

It's Al doing reading the copy, and then Herb Street, who you know only seems marginally checked in on a weekly basis.

Well, that's fair.

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All right, of course.

Kirk.

All right.

Kirk's like, I don't get.

He's like, I'm already halfway to Tuscaloosa right now.

So, you know, I don't need to be.

It's not in my contract.

I don't need to just be discussing these dramas, these crime narratives, you know, that I'll never watch.

Any other thoughts about the game?

But did you,

just to cycle back, were you okay with Quinn just chewing the field go there?

Because the game kind of ended at that point.

It was like a tidal wave.

I was cool with it just because,

I don't know, man, maybe it's just you,

Maybe it's just the echo of how awesome the Washington Commanders offense has been for most of the season.

It's just like, all right, go for it.

Go win this game.

Don't put it on your kicker's foot and hope your defense gets a stop.

But again, it's been a pretty tough five days with the offense just looking pretty

locked in neutral.

So I get the criticism that Quinn got.

I don't have a problem with it at all, to be honest.

Like,

I'm with you with what you just said.

And

it's just kind of like the biorhythm of the season.

It's crazy like where we were two weeks ago with the commanders and like now we're here.

And

they're a playoff team.

But like I do think that the key

question and the puzzle to solve is what is going on with your quarterback's health.

Because we looked at someone who was one of the most efficient quarterbacks in the entire league and something's happening here.

And I go back to Palmer's tweet and just wonder,

is he playing through something?

He's certainly a tough.

he's certainly shown that unlike some players, like he's like, I'm going to play no matter what, but

I think that's trust in your quarterback.

That's why you make that decision.

But he may be compromised physically in a way that would be a concern down the stretch for at least a couple more weeks.

Who's their backup?

I have an I.

Marcus Mariota.

All right, so you got Mariota.

I'm no Mariota guy, but he's at least a...

But

he did come in in that one game and actually looked fantastic, which was surprising to me.

this is a team that has aspirations.

Like that's why they

traded for Marcus Lattimore, who, yeah, keep that in mind.

He hasn't played yet.

He's still dealing with a hamstring and he's going to make a big difference for them when the time comes.

You have a 10-day break and then you get the Dallas Cowboys who are one of the worst teams in football at this point.

Would you consider giving this guy a proper break and put Mariota in for that game?

I think it's worth considering if indeed he's really struggling and fighting through something because you're not trying to just just sneak into the playoffs.

You're not trying to go 9-8 or 10-7.

Like, this team thinks it has the chance to make a deep run in the playoffs, but you absolutely need Daniels to be healthy.

So, you have the Cowboys on 11-24, and then you have the Titans on 12-1.

So,

it's a soft part of the schedule.

Then they're at the Saints before they get the Eagles again on 12-22.

So, the schedule softens up for them here, and they can perhaps think about how they want to handle that uh with their quarterback because when he was healthy and firing on all cylinders granted if i'm going to say it about the eagles i got to say it about the commanders too against a soft schedule he was just dominant um

you need him to get back to that place if you have any hopes of making a real run this season so it'll be interesting to see how they handle that and the eagles are now in absolute command of the nfc east and um are playing their best football so good night for the eagles I'm not ready to put them in my top three or whatever, Mark, because I need to watch all the games.

But that's

its top five, though, right?

I would just say they closed tonight with a field goal.

Definitely touchdown, touchdown, touchdown.

Yeah, so like, well, what?

So if it's four and three, we're not really in that different of a place.

Yeah.

Are they better than Lions, Chiefs, Ravens, Bills in your mind?

Are they in that group?

Do you think they deserve that place?

Maybe they do.

Maybe you're right.

Well, I think you're right to say that, like, to make that decision tonight.

But, like, if the Ravens were to botch the operation against the Steelers, I've got Ravens questions just about

who they are.

Fair.

And I did mention four teams there, and three are in the AFC.

So the Eagles are set up really well.

The Lions are juggernaut.

The 49ers are obviously the team of intrigue.

The Eagles have proven now to me that at least in the here and now, they're a better team than the Commanders.

The Vikings have come down a little bit.

The Packers are a bit of an enigma.

The Cardinals are interesting, but the NFC is there for the Eagles to make a deep run if they could stay healthy.

So, a good night for

the Eagles and their fans.

And

what else do you need to hear from me, Eagles fans?

I don't want any tweets at me or any subreddit threads about how I hate the Eagles.

It's like, you had a nice night.

I was impressed.

I'm happy for you guys.

Big Dom, I saw Big Dom at one point, like Jalen Hurts, after he was almost concussed or potentially concussed.

He was on the bike, cycling on the bike before the third quarter start.

And as he got off the bike, Big Dom held the bike even just so it wouldn't tip over.

That's cool.

I'm glad he did that.

What do you think that, no, now we're about an hour out from the game ending?

Like, what do you think Big Dom, where is he

30 minutes from now?

What does Big Dom do after an Eagles win?

I don't even want to ask this question.

He's feasting.

Thank God.

Yeah, I think he's feasting.

He's a man with a healthy appetite, and I would imagine he's having some incredible Italian food from one of the best

delis in Philly.

Like, he knows all the spots, all the Italian restaurants and delis.

Does he just drink like three bottles of red wine, too, and like maybe

punch out a civilian on the street?

Like,

that sounds good.

Right.

No,

I don't think he punches out.

Maybe evildoers, if there's an evildoer.

Sure.

I think Dom is a force of good, I would think.

Well,

yeah.

Okay.

See, that's Mark that's questioning it.

Dan is saying Dom's a good dude.

Mark is leaving the door open.

So if you want to get after somebody about the Eagles tonight, get after Mark or get after Justin because he got a little heavy-handed with the drops earlier in the day.

Yeah, I'd say go Justin.

Go Justin.

Leave me alone.

Yeah.

Well,

I'm not the right target here.

I think Justin, who's been

a divisive force through the first part of the show,

let him hear hear his on acid right now.

All right, should we go?

Yeah.

It's bad here.

Justin has been an asset to us, man.

Go ahead, Justin.

Hit three more drops, and then I'm going to sign off.

Any three drops you want.

Jalen Hurts is a winner.

He's a winner.

He wins.

Okay, there's one.

I got balls.

I got big balls.

I'll mix your reality.

It's two.

Wait,

I pulled a new mark drop from today's show.

Which one was it?

Oh, yes.

It's

this one.

It's fiction.

Okay.

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I dream in red, the throwback podcast,

Rolling Thunder, all on the Patreon.

And yes, we're trying to get to that big number, 48.4 on YouTube.

This show is different than the old show.

Well, it's better than the old show, and you know that.

I think it is.

But it's also a far, far better produced video production, which is why I think you should absolutely be on YouTube checking this program out.

So youtube.com slash at heed the call pod.

Anything else?

That was such a clean ending.

I think we just ended right there.

Although, then I spoke.

Like, bye.

Until next time, Heed the Call.

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