TNF Recap: Texans-Jets

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I only got one other win this year, so it feels good.

It feels good.

We've been waiting on this.

You know,

everybody was expecting it to come out and look like a storybook, but at the end of the day, I came here to try to affect the culture, you know, work with guys like this and just come out and have fun.

And we did that today.

Devontae Adams,

Culture Vulture,

and holy shin.

The New York Jets, powered by an unbelievable touchdown catch by Garrett Wilson in the fourth quarter, and then a putaway touchdown catch from Devontae Adams, the third touchdown pass of the second half by Aaron Rodgers.

And it is the New York Jets with a 21-13 win over the Houston Texans at MetLife Stadium on Halloween night, a win that keeps the Jets with a pulse

in the AFC

wild card race.

Maybe Connor Orr

deserves some kudos for that after our stick a fork in a segment.

In fact, he wasn't the only one that didn't fork the Jets, if I recall.

Who else didn't fork?

Justin, right?

Yeah, I think Justin also was a non-forker.

He held the fork out.

Yes, Justin.

No, I was just coming in to nod and say, yes, that's correct.

Oh, you're just using your drop now as like a celebration.

That's cool.

So, I figure if I'm going to put myself on the screen visually, there should be like an audio element that reflects it.

Justin is always like, it's like, how quickly there is a, you know, a personal clock inside of Justin's mind.

How quickly can I insert myself into the show?

That might have been your quickest insertion.

You know, Mark, it's not like totally dissimilar to the great quarterbacks that just have that internal clock in their head when they know they either got to get the ball out or flee the pocket.

Quickly.

Justin knows.

Justin knows.

Justin has been an asset to us, man.

There's a nakedness to Justin that makes him important to us.

But anyway, the Jets are 3-6.

So the Jets still have a lot of problems.

And, you know,

you're not going to

be able to destroy me after this podcast because look at Dan's all pie in the sky now.

I'm not there.

I'm far from there.

I watched the first half, too.

I watched the whole game.

But it's a nice win.

And

for the Texans, there's some really hard questions about that that team that need to be asked about a team that entered the season with Super Bowl aspirations.

Dan Hans is here with Mark Sessler and the gravedigger.

He'd in that call.

Thursday night football is in the books.

And Mark, you know,

I am the rare Yankee Jet fan, and the Yankees had an absolutely staggeringly heartbreaking loss

on Wednesday night that ended their season and allowed the the Dodgers to win the World Series.

And congratulations to all the Dodgers fans out there.

You guys really earned this one.

That's big of you.

I don't say that lightly.

That is

no, but they were the better team, but it didn't make that loss any less painful because it was an all-time kind of gag job how they let it get away.

And it was not lost on me that the next night it's the Jets playing in prime time against a team that, you know, I think most people thought was going to take care of them.

And the Jets got to win.

And it was like, you know what?

For once, thanks, Jets.

Like, I really needed that as a fan.

And

the other part of it is, Mark, and you know,

there's been a conscious uncoupling between me and the Jets these last few weeks.

And there was something about knowing how down bad the Jets have been these past five weeks during this losing streak.

And then I saw those fans at the Metal Ends, you know, cheering their heart out for that team.

And it it kind of snapped me back into the reality of the situation.

Are you back?

Are you back?

Are you back into the.

You know what it is, Mark?

It's like

I can't run from it.

Like the reason why I didn't sleep, like I woke up this morning in New York, in New Jersey, and I was on a plane.

Like the reason why I didn't sleep last night, like I had a 6 a.m.

flight,

which means

I had to leave New Jersey, the Jersey shore around 3.30 in the morning, and I tried to put myself to bed after the game, and I just laid in bed staring at the ceiling,

just so upset about the Yankees

because I love the Yankees, and I love the teams that I love.

They're just in me, and it's the DNA.

It's a part of me, even when I don't want it to be.

I hated how upset I was.

I hated.

I was having tons of anxiety about how, like, am I even going to be able to drive to the airport without falling asleep?

And like, and that's the Jets, too.

And seeing the Jets today and seeing those fans like reminded me that,

son of a bitch, I love them too.

It's like, it is like that marriage where, yes,

it's a pretty unhealthy marriage, but you can't live without each other because you do love them.

So, yeah,

I guess I'm letting the Jets move back into the apartment, Mark.

They're back into the apartment, and I did, and hopefully things moving forward can be somewhat in a better place.

But at the same time,

a good win for the Jets, bad loss for the Texans, and we'll see what comes next for both these teams.

Yeah, I think when you, like.

I asked my dad if he wanted to speak.

Like, even vaguely try to speak, and Justin just jumps in with a massive soundbite.

Like, that's how this show works.

Mark, I asked my dad if he wanted to send something in.

And my dad, you know, we went through, we watched that Yankee game together last night.

And

he's like, you know what, Danny?

You know, I'm I'm just going to enjoy the win.

I was like, you know what?

I get you.

I get you, Dad.

All right.

Go ahead, Mark.

No, that makes sense.

You know, like when you have a guy friend, when you have guy friends, like, and they, and they, they do have a relationship, and there's a couple rules that I've always had.

It's like, when they have a bit of a breakup with said girl, or, you know, probably not wife, but back in the day, girl or girlfriend, like, you don't use that as a window to go, because you like, you know how you kind of like don't like most of your guy friends, girlfriends half the time.

It's like they're vaguely annoying.

They're pulling your guy friend away from you.

He's changing.

Sometimes.

Not always.

Not always.

And it happens the other way, too.

And I don't mean an adult life with wives, because that's different.

You can really love them.

But I mean when, like, I'm thinking back in high school and stuff, where it's like, you see your friend change and all this stuff.

But my code was always like, never, when they're on a bit of a time off,

use that as license to go off on said person that they're on time.

Like, don't, don't go there.

They will just come back on you.

They're going to come back to that person.

So that's sort of you you and the Jets.

And like,

look, I totally get it.

I get it with my team too.

And so I completely accept you coming back to the fold.

And, you know,

this was a story of two halves.

You have Aaron Rodgers, who is throwing for, what, 32 yards in the first half, and that's the lowest he's had, I think, ever.

If it was 10 attempts or less, like, that's the or more.

That's the most, that's the least yardage he's ever thrown in a half of a football game, and it looked lost.

You're playing a compromised Texans team.

I do, I don't know if it's a referendum on the Texans.

I know we got a text from Justin saying that he thought the Texans were fake good.

And

I get where you're coming from, Justin.

They got problems, Sess Dog.

I know Justin's got his AFC South thing going on, but like they got problems.

They do.

And so, well, their problems are tangible because I think they've got offensive line issues.

And last year, they were able to mask that in a pretty creative way.

And that's not happening this time around.

Eight sacks tonight.

I think it was 11 quarterback hits.

Stroud is a different quarterback when he's exposed that way and under that duress.

You're missing your two top receivers.

The Jets made big plays, but I only say it's not a referendum on the Texans in that, like, if those things were not happening, if they were healthy, they had their people, like, they're a different team.

But they're not fake good.

I disagree with that.

I think they are learning to win and learning to grow as a team.

They came out of nowhere.

They were a nothing team literally like 18 months ago, and here they are.

But the Jets tonight,

I don't know what it means because it's like, did you save your season?

Where do we go from here?

Oh, we got to go.

Yeah,

I think we're aligned on this.

It's a hard hold on the Jets.

They got Arizona next week on the road.

That's an interesting game right there.

Yeah, anybody who thinks that, and I kept, I keep hearing this.

I keep hearing this, that the Jets schedule is so soft.

It's like,

I don't know what version of the Cardinals shows up at home next week.

They could could pull the doors off the Jets if they're having one of their days.

So we'll see.

Go beat the Cardinals on the road.

And yeah, then they're four and six.

And then it starts to get a little interesting.

Because I think everyone, myself included, except for Connor and I guess Justin, rode off the Jets after the Patriots lost.

But in your mind, in your mind, you kind of...

were expecting them to beat the Patriots and then lose to the Texans.

But they got beat by the Patriots and then defeated the Texans.

So they kind of end up where everybody thought they might end up after nine weeks at 3-6.

So they still have a lot of work to do.

But it's not like the rest of the AFC is gangbusters.

There is absolutely a path.

Yeah, back to the Texans, though, for a second.

I think they have major problems.

I mean,

I wouldn't say, like, I think they are kind of fake good right now, which doesn't mean that I'm writing them off, but their 6-3 record, I think, is misleading.

And I said it last week.

I thought that they were a little bit of the house of cards.

It didn't feel quite right where they were.

And then you see a game like this where some of these numbers, Jeremy Branham on Twitter, the top three pressure rates in Stroud's career have been in the last three games.

Let's see.

I'm just going to read these off, and I apologize, Mark, if you said one of them already.

CJ Stroud is pressured on 46.7% of his drop backs in week nine, the third highest pressure rate Stroud has faced in a game.

Will McDonald, nine pressures.

Hassan Reddick, welcome to the NFL.

Welcome back, Hassan Reddick, eight pressures.

Quinnen Williams, who's been awesome the last two weeks, seven pressures.

The first time three different defenders recorded seven-plus pressures in the same game this season.

Stroud scrambled on 31.1% of his drop backs, the third highest rate in a game in his career.

He also added 60 yards on seven scramble runs.

That's the most scramble runs in his career.

So yeah, he has that element to his game, but like it is a barn door right right up the middle with this guy right now.

And the worst part of it is, Mark,

yes, you might get Nico Collins back next week.

Obviously, Stefan Diggs is not coming back.

Tank Dell is a really good player.

It's not like he doesn't have anybody to throw to.

Dell and Dell showed it with the big game today, well over 100 yards.

They're going to get him hurt.

They're going to get Stroud hurt.

And if you continue, and there were a couple close calls in this game, if they get this guy hurt, the season's over.

And I saw it happen with my own team in week one after four plays last year.

If your offensive line does not figure something out quickly, you will see your season end in a heartbeat.

So that is the question I have.

Like, they are still in a very good position in their division, but if this offensive line is not salvageable, and we have the trade deadline coming up, this team, it's only a matter of time before Stroud is on the IR or worse.

Yeah, and like they're so they've got Sunday night football against the Lions next, and then the Cowboys on Monday night football the week after.

So this is all going to happen before a national audience.

I like what you said about the trade deadline.

I wonder if they are buyers.

I mean, they should be buyers for anything because you could get another wide receiver.

You certainly could look around for line help because you're right.

I think, first of all, nothing changes about how I feel about C.J.

Stroud, the player.

It's just that.

I'm with you on that.

Right.

The world that he's in.

The circumstances around him are pretty rough right now.

Right.

The world he's in right now is like, I don't care who it is because we've seen with with Aaron Rodgers, if suddenly you're under complete and constant duress,

everything changes for you as a quarterback.

So he's just playing through a roster that's compromised on offense right now.

I do believe in the team.

I picked him for the Super Bowl.

Now, that's a little rich.

It looks a little rich right now, but we're going to find him.

You're pot committed too.

In fairness, you're pot committed.

But you're nervous a little bit, a little bit nervous right now.

I think it's fair to say that because I think like I was expecting them to make a certain leap that a team, like kind of like the 91 Cowboys to the 92 Cowboys where you go from being a saucy team with very young promising skill position players and a good defense and an offensive line and then the next year you win you know you win three more games they it doesn't look like that um I think this is a big loss like this is a I don't know what their position was coming in to face the Jets but the Jets to have the first half that they did and then I think for them to have

Garrett Wilson who is just an incredible player it's like don't lose these players Jets.

Don't let these players' careers float away.

Find a way to build around this.

But Devontae Adams made a big difference.

You could kind of see it with the Jets tonight in the second half.

That's what I thought was a big story.

It was like, you could see what the Jets are trying to do.

I don't think the coaching switch is a downgrade at all.

Like there was literally nothing that changed on that front tonight.

Can you keep this going?

Can you mount wins and stack wins?

I don't trust them to do anything, but it's just like they do have a softer schedule than other teams.

Like, can you creep back into this?

Do we care?

Does it matter?

I like the way you put that.

You could see it.

And I, like, you could literally see it during the post-game interview that we played at the top of the show.

Kaylee Hartong,

she's standing in the middle, and it's Devontae Adams, a future Hall of Famer, and Garrett Wilson, one of the most physically gifted young wide receivers in the league.

And it's like, yeah, of course they should have games like this.

And they finally had one.

It took three games since Devontae Adams got here.

Garrett Wilson

the Jets have had so many issues this year from you know poor discipline with penalties to offensive line issues to injury issues to defensive shortcomings to obviously coaching issues to ownership making decisions that hurt the overall picture

but Garrett Wilson was part of the issue also earlier in the season.

And he had that low point a couple weeks ago on Monday night football against, or Sunday night football against the Steelers, when he had that ball slap off his chest, leading to the interception that more or less buried the Jets in that game in Pittsburgh.

And that was kind of like the low point.

And he owned it after the game.

He said, I'm not playing well enough.

And Jets fans that watched his first couple years, they knew this is a very special guy.

And Troy Aikman, I'll never forget the Rodgers Achilles game week one last year when he made that other tremendous catch against the Bills

in that unlikely Jets win after Rodgers was done for the year after four plays.

And Aikman made some type of really,

you know, it could be seen as a hyperbolic comment, but coming from Aikman, it resonated with me.

He's like, I think this guy could be the best wide receiver in football.

And he can.

He has that type of ability, the way that he moves, his catching abilities, athleticism, it's off the charts.

And that touchdown catch, you know,

Jeff Ulbrick after the game said it rivals the Odell catch.

It was amazing.

The ability to kind of have your body, you know, in the back of the, and by the way, a hell of a throw by Rogers, too, to be completely spread with a, you know, a jump man Jordan style to grab the ball and then to have the body control to get that shin down.

That just was a snapshot into how special he can be.

So I don't know what comes next for the Jets in the future, but yes, I agree with you.

He's like one of the guys you absolutely, if you're tearing it down to the studs, like he's one of the studs that you keep around.

And then to see Devontae Adams make some plays in this game, including the game icing touchdown,

takes me to Rodgers, who I just want to say this, Mark.

Aaron Rodgers is a divisive figure, and I've had a lot of issues with Rodgers as well before he came to the Jets and when he's been a Jet.

But I think some of the criticism he's gotten this year at times has been unfair because I think people have looked to pile on him because he's the kind of a guy that you kind of want to stick it to in some ways, and that's not unearned.

But I think Rodgers has been pretty good this year.

I've been saying this all year, and I know he was, it was not a good first half, but the plays that he was making in the second half, I think he's firmly in that like back end of the top 12 quarterbacks in the league right now,

which might not be good enough for his surrounding talent,

but he has certainly not been the problem.

And he was playing like the old Aaron Rodgers tonight.

Yeah, I thought so too.

If you were to list the Jets issues, you know, like one through five bullet points, it's not Aaron Rodgers.

It's not the QB.

When's the last time you could say that about the Jets, that the QB wasn't one of the top five issues?

Absolutely, because typically it would be, you know, it would be glowing as the number one issue.

And that's not the case.

I do wonder, because I've always, I don't, I don't love, like, I know I pinpointed like the Hassan Reddick tweet that aimed at Bill Belichick the other day.

It's like, just stop doing that.

But I do wonder, because like in their plans, they wanted to have Hassan Reddick there from week one, obviously, to impact what their defense could do.

And I thought he made a big difference tonight.

And I wonder if that's kind of this ingredient that's been missing.

I mean, what the defense did tonight is a big part of this, too, because yes, it's the wide receivers, and yes, it's Aaron Rodgers, but you held CJ Stroud to 11 of 30 passing.

Like, that's that takes,

That's not easy to do.

And I thought that was one of his worst games.

He also had, I think, about 84 yards against the Packers, but Stroud's been struggling here and there, 86 yards.

But the Jets tonight looked like a complete version of what we're looking for in the second half.

And I don't know.

I just wonder if it's Fool's Gold.

But they do have, the problem is that the Jets have good players on both sides of the ball, and it's like, go play like it.

And we saw it tonight.

So what does it mean?

What does it mean going forward?

We'll see.

At Arizona, home Colts, home Seahawks.

If you get bit by those Cardinals, and I know that I'm a little bit of a, like, if the Cardinals come and do what they can do to you

in a bad scenario, like, then it's goodbye for the Jets.

I don't like that matchup.

I don't like that matchup for the Jets at all.

No, in fact, I think the Jets' defense, I think the pass rush is starting to show, especially now that they have Reddick there, that that can get back to being a real hallmark of what they can do, and that will help the back end of the defense as well.

But I I think Kyler Murray, you saw Drake May last week.

I mean, a mobile quarterback.

If the Jets aren't playing with discipline, Murray's going to eat them alive.

So it's a hold on the Jets.

And I was, and that's a step up from where I was,

you know, obviously in my feelings living separately in my apartment

two towns over.

Like, like, I was out.

Connor made some comments.

I'm back because I'm in love.

Like, love is love.

But I also, it doesn't mean I believe.

Like, it's like you're married to someone that you don't really believe in their potential, but you love them.

Like, when I called the Jets after this game, that's not a great situation.

It wasn't like, it wasn't, exactly.

I didn't say it was a healthy relationship.

It wasn't like I called them back and I was lovey-dovey.

It was one of those things, like, all right, you big idiot, come home.

Yeah, it's got like, you know, it's like we were on the break.

It's a night, it's nighttime, and like, you open the door and you kind of hug quietly, and

you go to sleep, but that's no, we're not going to really discuss healthy, like in a healthy way, discuss the the issues.

We're just going to accept each other.

This isn't the love story of the ages, but it is love.

And that is, that's sports.

And that's, and that, these last two nights, like, it reminded me again.

Like, I hate how much I love sports.

Like, I wish I was like 95, 98% of the population that it didn't like shake me to the core what happened to the Yankees last night and why that when the Jets do what the Jets do, uh, how much it hurts me profoundly that they can't seem to get out of their own way.

But it's also why we do what we do and why we have this great life.

So anyway, you take the victories where you can get them.

And as far as I do think, I'll say one thing.

I thought our producer learned a lesson tonight when his move was to verbally dig into the Yankees' loss and, you know, like try to find four or five things about it that illuminated the defeat for him.

It's like, no, Justin, see, because I know, you know, I even was texting with Dan when he was flying back to the West Coast.

I was like, I'll discuss literally anything on the planet other than the Yankees.

Yeah, like when Daniel.

You don't say anything positive or negative.

You say nothing.

I wasn't trying to dig in.

I was just trying to express some frustrations, you know, echoing some feel empathy for what you're going through.

Can I say I didn't think that you were looking to get a dig in or anything?

I think maybe it was just a slight breach of fan etiquette.

It was like

when there's a loss at that level,

you let the person bring your mess up.

And like I went through it last year with the Mavs losing losing to the Celtics in the final.

So like there is a lot of stuff.

Yeah, we still haven't brought that up.

Were we texting you the night?

We still haven't brought it up.

You know, Mark and I have been wanting to talk to you about that for months, and we still haven't brought it up because we didn't know if you were ready yet.

Right.

That's okay.

Lesson learned, like Mark said.

Yeah.

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All right.

Anything else before we go, Mark?

Malachi Corley, you didn't talk about him at all.

What a bonehead.

That was an item to say.

Yeah.

What is up with that?

I think Herb Street, who I'm not like the biggest fan of, but I don't think he's, you know.

He's solid.

Yeah, he's fine.

He's fine.

He made a great point, which is like, this is not, this happens like once a year almost, right?

Like, why do these guys have such a rush to drop the ball?

Like, it doesn't look cooler to drop the ball like right past when you get past the goal line.

And that was obviously like.

At that point, yeah, I was still living separately from the Jets.

And so it was like a detachment.

I didn't go nuts about it.

But at the same time, I was like, holy holy shit, this team is outrageous.

And to those Jets fans, that really

did kind of hit me a little bit seeing how invested they were in the game for this kind of loser team.

But they were out for blood, man.

Those Jets fans, when the Jets had that first three and out, they're booing the Jets out of the building.

They were screaming, sell the team.

Yeah, like that's where we're at.

And it could still be there.

But for one night, at least, but Malachi Corley, I feel for the guy because he's a rookie, and that was his first carry, I believe, in his career.

After the game, Ulbrick said, definitely frustrated and angry, but what an amazing opportunity for this kid to grow and learn from.

Yeah, he will.

Because that is, I mean, how heartbreaking that must have been, but how dumb.

I mean,

we saw the dumbest play ever was Tyreek Stevenson on the Hail, Maryland.

But the goal line drop of the football is right there.

So we saw a super dumb play.

We saw a super special play with Garrett Wilson.

We saw a lot of penalties and imperfect play and bad offensive line play.

And ultimately, we saw the Jets win, which I wasn't expecting.

So I'll tell you.

The Earth is a very special place.

It will take from you.

It will give to you.

And if you are New York-based, and depending on how you're New York-based, it did a little bit of both over the last couple of days.

Well said, Mark.

Well said.

All right.

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I'll just leave it there.

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for some of their malfeasance.

Well, they're an annoying group.

A week earlier, it's like, guys,

you're Malachi coraling this.

Yeah.

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Malachi in it.

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That's up to you.

Or you live this life.

Yeah, you could live a better life or a lesser life.

And that's it.

All right.

Like, I don't even like, you know what kind of annoys me, I have to be honest.

Do I need Justin wearing his Texas Rangers hoodie tonight, of all nights?

Like, to remind me that the Rangers who were the defending world champions before

yesterday evening's event.

We were working through a little bit of a

couple issues with Justin.

The fact that he did, you know, we,

Vaya are one of our,

we, we, they

contribute to our show, and he did two of those massive gummies about an hour and a half before the Jets game ended, and we can tell.

Like, fun fact, he's wearing the Rangers hoodie and nothing else.

Nude from the waist down right now.

Yeah, which is no treat for

Justin.

He's on acid right now.

All right.

That's enough.

Thank you to everybody.

Until next time, heed the call.

Yo, this is important, man.

My favorite Lululemon shorts, the ones you got me back in the day I think they're pacebreakers the ones with all the pockets well I just got back from vacation and I think I left them in my hotel room and dude I need to replace these shorts I wear them like every day with that Lulu hoodie you got me Could you send me the link to where you got them?

Thanks bro.

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