TNF Recap: Vikings-Rams (with J.B. Long)

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You know, playing with them guys is like going to school and playing on the recess.

You know, we're all making plays.

We're all feeding up each other and having fun while doing it.

So, man, I'm just so happy to be on the field with those type of guys, those type of caliber guys, because they bring me up and allow me to be my best.

Kyron Williams, Thursday night football.

And as far as Thursday nights in October go, this was about as big as a game could get for a team.

It was the Los Angeles Rams languishing near the bottom of the NFC West as play kicked off, but buoyed by the promise of what the return of their two star-wide receivers could mean for the team.

Another loss,

and the Rams are buried in the division.

And with a trade deadline right around the bend, maybe some big changes were ahead for the roster.

But a win,

a win could change a lot and keep certain people in the building.

And that is exactly what Sean McVay and company got on Thursday night, a 30-20 win over the Minnesota Vikings.

A win that,

yes,

puts the Rams back into the mix in the NFC playoff picture in a big way.

And Sean McVay after the game was asked about

Cooper Cup specifically and the reports about a Cooper Cup potential trade, and he doused that.

He said teams reached out.

Some of the things that are out there, they're just not true.

There's not a lot of accountability to the reports.

I'm really glad to have Cooper Cup back with us and I expect it to stay that way.

So book it.

Dan Hans is here.

Heeding that call with the great Justin Graver, the gravedigger, helping me out.

And we got J.B.

Long, the voice of the Los Angeles Rams, jumping on in just a few minutes to talk about this game.

A great game, Justin,

that went down to the final minutes, and there was obviously some officiating

controversy, as there must be, that quite frankly put a little stink on the game.

But before we get to that, Justin, a really big win for these Rams.

And

the combination of Puka Nakua

and Cooper Cup accounted for a ton of yardage, touchdowns, and made Matthew Stafford look once again like an elite quarterback.

So pretty good night at the office for the Rams.

I think something that stands out insane to me is that Matthew Stafford had three passing touchdowns coming into this game on the season, and he threw for four touchdowns tonight.

What a difference it makes when you have your top skill players available to you.

I mean, it's basic and simple, but it's so true.

And Puka Nakua, was like surprisingly active for this game.

Like he was designated designated to return from IR earlier in the week, but it was like late in the week.

And it was like, okay, we'll see.

Probably not going to be back for Thursday.

They'll get another 10 days off before they have to bring him back.

No, a desperate Rams team sitting at two and four said, we need as much help as we can get.

They bring Puka back.

He plays on a snap count.

What did he play?

40 out of 71 snaps and had seven catches for 106 yards on those snaps.

And it was like right away, first drive.

They're feeding him.

And what a different team it looks like when you have these two guys on the field.

Yeah, Puka Nakua, who we've heard both from Jordan Rodrigue, who covers the Rams, obviously so beautifully that Nakua is the dude in this offense.

Now he's the number one wide receiver.

And Cooper Cup, who is obviously a franchise legend and a former Super Bowl MVP,

is the number two within the structure.

But, I mean, that's a great number two.

And you saw a cup who was a little more quiet, also on a snap count.

They kind of, you could tell they kind of balance these guys and working them back into playing shape.

Each Each of them have been out since early September.

Two plays that jumped out to me for Cooper Cup was

the touchdown, which was a great bit of athleticism and scrambling by Matthew Stafford to keep the play alive.

And then it's Cup having that communication and that mind meld, finding the pocket in the end zone to pull in that touchdown in the second half.

And then again, on a big third down scenario late in the game, hitting Cup downfield for the biggest gainer that Cup had in the game, which did not lead to points, but led to a punt that pinned the Vikings deep in their own end.

As for Nakua, yeah, really, they target him immediately.

He doesn't come down with the first target, but then he did what he did all throughout last season, which is just find ways to get open.

And he's always open, and he's tough to bring down.

And these two guys change everything for this team.

And Stafford got time to work, and he did the work.

So a great, great, great night for the Los Angeles offense when they needed it most.

And you hit on it there.

I think Nakua, if they're 4-2 and not 2-4,

yeah, they might have given Nakua the extra 10 days.

But this was such an important game for the Rams.

As for the Vikings, I just,

we got to talk about it because,

yes, the Rams are up eight points when the Vikings get the ball back for the last time.

And there are, I believe, a minute 46, I believe it is, left on the clock.

Yes.

The Vikings at their own five-yard line.

And Sam Darnold drops back to pass, and he gets his face max grabbed, and he gets twisted and thrown to the ground by Byron Young.

Byron Young knows, obviously, what he has done.

So he kind of walks away from the play with his hands to his helmet because, oh, I just gave them 15 yards, and now it's first and 10 from the 20, and the Vikings are in business and have a real chance of this.

However, the officials missed the call, and the game ends.

It's a safety sack, and Byron Young is going to get fined for that because that's how it works.

But he's also going to be credited with the game-winning sack safety.

And pull up that tweet, Justin.

There was a great view.

It was a tweet that was sent out by

Mighty Matt on Twitter.

And there's the image: there's a referee,

back referee there, Justin, staring directly at the play.

And I know Darnold's back is to him, but as you heard on the telecast from Herb Street said, hey, when you see a quarterback get twisted and his neck go like that, it's obvious something happened.

And what did Al say, by the way, Justin?

Viking fans are going, what the hell?

What the hell indeed?

So I don't want to say that the Rams won because of that, because that's certainly not the case.

But what a killer way for the Vikings to have that game sealed.

Just unfair.

I mean, if it's first and 10 at the 20-yard line with 136 to play, that's a lot different scenario.

You got Justin Jefferson.

Yeah, you have no timeouts, but this is a Vikings offense that's been pretty good all year, if not very good.

One of the best receivers, if not the best receiver in the game.

And yeah, they can do things to take him the best, sure, let's say it, the best receiver in the game.

And yeah, the Rams were defense was doing a good job taking him away in key moments, like third down in the red zone and moments like that, but he was very productive throughout most of the game.

And if you do that, then you leave guys like Jordan Addison, Jalen Naylor, Josh Oliver was making big catch and run plays in this game.

Like, there's definitely an argument that the Vikings could have marched down the field from that point on.

But you also have to score a touchdown.

You have to convert a two-point conversion to even tie the game.

So there's a lot of things that had to go right.

But yeah, if you're a Vikings fan watching this, I mean, how can you not be pulling your hair out?

And I texted you this during the game.

The Bernie Sanders meme.

I am once again asking for these types of plays to be reviewable.

Like, why is it so hard?

It doesn't have to be challengeable.

It can be just a guy in New York or a guy in the booth says, look, this is clear as day on the telecast, on the footage that we have.

His face mask is being grabbed.

Why?

It's what drives me crazy because that is a very good chance that something like that does happen.

And they will cite, it happens a lot more in the playoffs.

When something like this happens in the playoffs, that spurs change because everyone's watching, and the NFL does not like the product being exposed as faulty in those settings.

But don't forget about what happens in week eight either, because that is a huge swing.

And they will use whoever, and probably will be the Vikings.

And if it's not them, it'll be someone else will use that play and say, hey, we got to clean this up.

They have the technology.

They now, you see it all the time.

They will clean something up before it has to go to Booth or View.

And it's just handled for stuff like this, egregious things that decide games.

It's just, it's hard to make sense of how that one got through.

And Darnold is about as mild-mannered as they come.

He was pissed off.

That was an angry Sam Darnold walking off the field because you feel like he got it taken away from you.

Okay, now I'm seeing this.

Shout out to Michael Sean Dugar, who sent this on our text thread.

Pool reporter Calvin Watkins spoke with referee Trey Blake on this.

The question on the Vikings' last offensive play.

It looked as if the quarterback had his face mask pulled.

What did you guys see on that play?

Blake?

Well, on that play, the quarterback was facing the opposite direction from me, so I did not have a good look at it.

I did not have a look, and I did not see the face mask being pulled.

Obviously, the umpire had players between him and the quarterback, so he did not get a good look at it.

He was blocked out as well.

So that was the thing.

We did not see it, so we couldn't call it.

We couldn't see it.

Was there a discussion on the field?

Because obviously the Vikings were complaining about it.

Did your crew have discussion about, hey, did we miss this or anything like that on the field?

Blake, on the field, we definitely did discuss it because they did bring up a concern.

We discussed it as a crew, but we weren't able to see it on the field.

So we weren't able to make that call.

Question: Is that play reviewable?

Blake, it is not reviewable.

Yes, send this transcript with the video to the next meetings at a resort and get this thing cleaned up.

Because if the officials who are, yes, human, it happens.

I know it seems crazy,

but they are right there.

But if they're angled out and it just, maybe there's someone that can help.

So we're not talking about this because it's not a good look for the league.

But again, that's not what this game, that's not the only thing that this game was about.

And that, I think, would be unfair to the Rams, who really did play a great game.

In fact,

Let's talk a little bit more about what the Rams pulled off today with a man that knows all about it.

In fact, he is at SoFi Stadium right now because he is the voice of the Rams, JB Long.

JB, welcome to Heed the Call, baby.

Hey, Zuser.

Hey, Graver.

Sorry to be the amateur here without any microphone or earbuds.

I apologize to all the great Heed the Call listeners, but bear with us.

No, we appreciate you.

I reached out to you in the middle of the game to say, hey, would you be able to jump on?

And of course, you said you could because you're a great man.

And that was a great game for the Rams, wasn't it?

We were just talking about, obviously, the face mask play.

It's almost like if you're a Rams fan, JB, like it's annoying.

Yes, you're happy that that clinched the win, but this should be about what the Rams pulled off for 58 and a half minutes, not just an officials-blown call, because they really did step up in a big spot tonight.

Yeah, I missed that play completely.

I was actually texting you back that I would love to come on the pod tonight.

And next thing I know, I looked up and SoFi was erupting, and I was seeing the replay.

We actually asked BY post-game if he thought that he was guilty of face masks because his reaction was such that he wasn't celebrating.

He was in dismay.

He said he actually thought he got the horse collar, but whatever it was, he didn't think that was a walk-off shot.

He didn't think he had called game.

He thought that the game would go on.

Now, look, no timeouts, long field needing touchdown, two-point conversion.

I empathize for Vikings fans who wanted to keep that hope alive.

And who knows, maybe they would have gone down and finished that game off, you know, pushing it to overtime.

But obviously, from my lens, the focus is on the best offensive night of the season, the return of the two superstars at receiver, the difference that made for Matthew Stafford, who came in with three touchdown passes and finished with four here tonight alone against this vaunted Vikings defense, which impossibly did not sack him tonight.

I think that's the most surprising one of the night for me.

Yeah, this vaunted Vikings defense has played this kind of style or

somebody who came from this style of offense already three times this year before tonight's game.

They beat the Niners 23-17.

They beat the Texans 34-7.

Bobby Sloick coming from this tree.

They beat the Packers 31-29.

Matt LaFlore coming from this tree.

Sean McVay, though, he's the master.

He's the master of this coaching tree.

He and Shanahan, I guess, but Shanahan got beat by this defense.

What is it about McVay's offenses and the motions and the misdirection and everything he's able to do to keep this offense on track against what has been a very good, if not dominant defense all season long?

Well, pretty cool context that tonight is Sean's 80th victory as head coach of the Rams, regular season and postseason combined.

With that, he moves into sole possession of first place as the Rams' winningest coach ever, passing John Robinson.

He joins John Madden as the only two men who have done it since the merger before their 40th birthday.

And perhaps most importantly, he does it on his son's first birthday, literally today, tonight.

So a lot of threads weave together for Sean McVay.

But even though Jordan is his favorite son, Puka Nakua and Cooper Cup are probably his favorite adopted sons.

And it wasn't just their impact in the passing game, right?

Which definitely you felt.

Puka came back as a leading receiver.

Cooper Cup got that touchdown off of just Matthew Stafford wizardry, the most mobile I've seen him in quite some time.

But I think, Graver, what gets understated or underappreciated is their impact on the running game.

Sean's offense is always at its best when run looks like pass and pass looks like run pre-snap.

They're married together.

And it hasn't been that way at all this season for very very obvious reasons.

But tonight, because of what they can do downfield and because of what they can do folding into your running surface, it's no coincidence that the Rams got their best point total, their most yards per play.

Kyron Williams had a good night.

Like, it just all stitches back together.

And if they can get some offensive lineman guard to guard back in the mix, look out, this might be for real.

Yeah, and I want to also, JB, we should give the Rams defense some flowers here, too, because the game starts off very poorly with the Vikings Vikings going right down the field for a touchdown.

They get the ball a second time.

They go right down the field for a touchdown and you think it's going to be a track meet.

But from that point on,

Minnesota had six points, two field goals the rest of the way.

So obviously

Los Angeles figured something out as this game went along.

And one big play that jumped out to me was Verse putting the clown suit on Quisenberry, who came in for Darasaw, who went out at the end of the first half.

A really, really concerning injury for the Vikings, Vikings, by the way.

Christian Darasaw, the left tackle, on a play where maybe they should have just been kneeling on the ball in the first place.

And I'm sure that's going to stick with O'Connell as he tries to go to bed tonight.

But Verse has that sack that blows up the penultimate drive for Minnesota.

And in general, the L.A.

defense.

It really was a complete effort from this team tonight.

Yeah, three straight games.

They've scored on defense now after not doing it since like Christmas of 22.

I know tonight's was in question because of the safety, but still immensely consequential.

I do think Darasaw's injury was maybe the most important thing that happened tonight, both in terms of the outcome of this game and potential long-term ramifications.

This has undoubtedly been a roller coaster of the first two months of the season for the Los Angeles Rams, especially on defense.

They've been wobbly in the kicking game.

They've been murky on offense.

They've been porous on defense.

But the one constant.

the most constant thing you can say about the 2024 Rams is they are wreaking havoc in opposing pockets and they're doing it almost predominantly with first and second year pass rushers.

That is not a bad place to hang your hat in the post-Aaron Donald world.

Consider that we're not even a year removed from the retirement of the greatest player in franchise history and the Rams are generating more pass rush and more pressures now than they were this time a year ago or even two years ago, the last two years of Aaron's career.

Obviously, they didn't get better by subtracting the GOAT.

I'm not saying any of that nonsense, but I'm saying the plan that they laid out for the potential moving on or moving beyond Aaron Donald's impact, it could not have gone better in terms of the players they've drafted from Kobe Turner last year and Byron Young to Jared Vurse and Braden Fis this year.

Yeah, and I think part of the frustration, if you're a Rams fan, was

you knew Naku was a special player based on how last year went.

So the way this summer played out and the knee issue.

And then for Cup to go absolutely nuts week one and then immediately go on the shelf after that.

There was this idea like, man, there's a team here.

And this is a team that finished strong last year to get to 10 wins in the playoffs.

Do you look at this team as having that ability to go on a similar run now that they have these pieces back?

I do, and I have to tell you, I would have said that even if they had lost tonight.

Beating the Raiders was a must.

They did that on Sunday.

It gave them the margin, I think, to play this out to the trade deadline.

And what I mean by that is next on their schedule is a week nine trip to Seattle, right now leading the NFC West, the only team in that division with fewer than four losses, but they've got three of their own.

And so it would have been a real shame, I think, if the Rams would not have been able to put their best roster on the field and take a big swing at the Seahawks because this West appears to be wide open.

And with two games still to play against Seattle, look, the bubble's going to be really crowded in the NFC, it looks like, if you're talking wildcard, but there's still a direct line to a potential division championship for these Los Angeles Rams, which is just bananas considering for the second year in a row, they were three games below 500 at their buy.

Got back to 10 wins in a playoff spot and a wild card spot last year.

I'm not saying history is about to repeat itself, but it is pretty coincidental that last year, part of that flip of the script was two wins in five days at SoFi Stadium against the Commanders and the Saints.

Here we are midway through 24, two wins in five days against the Raiders and the Vikings.

I was going to say,

your hair, it's looking pretty tight.

It looks like a nice and clean look.

Have you been to,

JB and I famously share the same barbershop, George's, I mean, Jags, it's called, Jag's Barbershop, run by George over there in Westchester neighborhood of Los Angeles.

Any trips to Jag recently?

Yeah, George is upcharging me now because he keeps drafting Rams running backs.

Last year it was Cam Akers.

This year it was,

I think it was Blake Corum.

You know, he was kind of backing that running back by committee.

It hasn't worked out for him in fantasy football, so I'm paying double.

I think I'm actually supplementing.

Are you you getting a discount?

That's probably why he's probably getting better fantasy advice from you and evening and afterwards.

Yeah.

Yes, he's paying me because my fantasy advice is so out of control.

The roster I took, I took a, I somehow like zeroed in on every star player having the worst year of his career this year.

So whenever you can do that, lock that in.

You got to do it.

He should be charging you twice as much.

You've got twice as many follicles.

I'm surprised you even watched this football game tonight that you're not just stressing out over baseball coming your way this weekend.

I am.

I'm trying not to think about it.

And what do you do now?

Because I know what it's like that building.

You wait out the traffic?

Are you important enough within the organization that you get some type of back path out of the building or what's the play there?

I am not.

I take the long walk and I wait for the cones to be picked up out there, you know, so that I can turn left on Manchester and do my thing.

It's going to be at least another half an hour.

So thank you for helping me pass the time.

I appreciate it.

Graver and Dan, love you guys.

JV, thank you so much.

And look forward to hearing more of your iconic calls and the Rams on the rise down the stretch.

All right.

See you, buddies.

Thanks.

Thanks, David.

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audience only.

There he goes.

Thank you to JB Long, the voice of the Rams, and it was very nice nice of him to give us that time.

Even if he's, Justin, even if he's waiting out traffic, he could be eating some cold chicken fingers and drinking a Pepsi right now.

Instead, he gave us that time.

So that was nice of him.

That was super nice of him.

Obviously, he's pulling for the Yankees based on his comment there.

He didn't say it directly, but I think we can infer that that's what he meant.

Interesting.

I didn't pick that up.

I mean, he is a Los Angeles guy, but either way, I'm a big fan.

Yeah, the Darasaw injury is something to absolutely track coming out of this game.

And,

you know, there was 35 seconds to play.

Very little chance of the Vikings getting into field goal range or scoring range at that point, you know, in the shadow of their own goalpost.

So to run a play that allowed Darasaw to get rolled up on, that's just unfortunate.

And you could, I don't think you could kill O'Connell for it.

It's really bad luck, but also play where, you know, it could have completely been avoided if they would have just knelt on the ball, but that's the way it goes.

So if it's David Quessenberry going

on Darnold's blind side the rest of the way, that's a problem.

And that's something to keep an eye on.

And I think that's what JB meant by that could be the most consequential thing that happened in this game.

He's that important to what he does.

If you have a great shutdown left tackle, people sleep on this, Justin, because they don't end up with the touchdowns and the glory.

But it's like, check out so many of the great teams.

They have that on lockdown.

It makes the quarterback and the whole offense go.

Well, it makes everything easier to trickle down effect because you can count on that guy to cover that side of the field without sending chips and using help and keeping extra men in for protection.

So you have more options in the passing game.

You have more ability to disguise what you're doing in the run game.

David Quissenberry, I hate to bring up the Titans because I know everyone's going to say, oh, he always brings up the Titans, but he was a starter for the Titans for more than half a season.

and i can tell you right now he is not a very good tackle i mean he is this he's a backup for a reason obviously the vikings starting offensive line combined had missed nine total snaps this season before darasaw went to the locker room in this game that i mean this is going to change the way that they run the offense because not only is darasaw like the starter he's one of the best left tackles in all of football yeah to lose that kind of guy

it's tough and It's tough.

It's brutal, and we'll see what kind of injury it is.

There were the Twitter doctors out there making judgment calls.

I'm not even going to say what it is, but hopefully he escapes with just a minor injury, and they have some time here to recover.

But the Vikings have now lost two games in five days after starting 5-0.

The Lions effect that Mark talked about on last week's show

or the Thursday Night Preview show where teams that have played the Lions have not done, have lost their following game, like almost every game this season that the Lions have played.

And, yeah, I mean, having played Thursday night after that.

And it's funny because I was thinking, maybe not funny for Vikings fans, but I was thinking on those initial touchdown drives,

the protection of Darnold was just immaculate, and he was going through his progressions and just picking apart the defense.

That's just not going to happen if they have a long-term

Darasaw

absence here.

On the other side, by the way, offensive line-wise, and something else Vikings fans probably are a little concerned about.

According to ESBN's Kevin Sieffert, the Vikings pressured Matthew Stafford on only three of his 34 dropbacks.

That's 9% in terms of pressure rate.

They're lowest in a game since 2020.

They just, you know.

They have to get after the quarterback better.

And

let's bring this in for a landing.

Justin, what do you got?

So there was a play that happened with 1257 left in the fourth quarter with the Vikings trailing 21 to 17.

Sam Darnold steps up in the pocket beautifully, throws a laser over the middle of the field to a wide open Jalen Naylor on third and four.

If he catches this ball, the ball doinks right through his hands.

Easy catch.

He doesn't catch it.

Vikings have to settle for a field goal, makes it 21 to 20.

Instead of, they convert that play.

Who knows what happens from there?

They had a nice drive going, a lot of momentum.

They convert that third down.

They're in scoring position.

If they score a touchdown on that drive and go up 24-21, it may change how the Rams call their next drive.

Maybe they have to be more aggressive.

Who knows how the rest of the game goes?

But that play to me just stood out as a major turning point.

It was a nice play by Darnold.

He found the open guy, and his receiver let him down.

Absolutely.

I'm glad you pointed that out because that real, you don't know if they would end up going in the end zone.

I mean, Naylor could have scored on that play.

He had some real estate in front of him.

At the very least, it was probably going to be first and goal for the Vikings.

It ended up, you know, that was a most likely or a very good chance that was a four-point drop when you do the math on it.

And that's a killer.

My last point is more,

let's go to Dan's strategy corner.

And like if I was a head coach, this is something that I would.

Ooh, strategy.

Exactly me.

This is something that I would try.

And I don't see any teams trying it.

Or if they have tried it, I've missed it.

But if I'm a head coach and I'm up one point, as the Rams were in this game, and it's inside, let's say, seven minutes to play in the fourth quarter, and then I score a touchdown, and now I'm up seven points.

I am absolutely going for two.

And Sean McVay did not.

He kicked the extra point.

It puts them up eight.

And yes, that's a nice place to be because now the other team has to score the touchdown and get the two-point conversion.

However, if you make the two-point conversion, the game is over because you're up nine and you're up two scores.

And even if I miss, I'm up seven.

And there's a pretty decent chance that if I give up a touchdown, that coach is just going to send out his kicker to tie the game.

So in terms of opportunity cost, I feel like going for two there is the play.

Is that something that you've seen?

Have I unlocked something?

Should I be the the next coach of the New York Jets?

These are all questions I have.

Yes, to the last question for sure, just because that would be great content for this podcast.

I don't know if I've ever seen it.

I can't say that I have seen it.

I mean, does it make sense at all to you?

Because I feel like it's kind of, especially like when we, we're in a world where if you're down 14 points now, coaches have been trained to go for it, go for two twice or whatever.

It's like, if we've signed off on that as something that's logically sound for the math nerds, how is this not winning that math test?

I, I mean, I'd love to know.

It, you'd have to look at like, I mean, I don't know because they usually use historical precedent to determine like your odds and your winning percentage and all that.

And I don't know if anyone's ever done this before, but obviously a nine-point lead at that point, you like, the upside is you win the game immediately.

The downside is the psychological factor.

You go for it, you don't get it.

Now it's a seven-point game.

When the other team scores, that coach is like, man, this guy just tried to do that to me.

Well, him.

I'm going to go for two now and win the game on this play to show him that he should have kicked the field goal.

But also, he could miss that two-point conversion if he's in F you mode and he's not thinking soundly, and then you win anyway.

True, I'm just throwing all these.

It does seem like a pretty good strategy, especially if you're a coach like Sean McVay and you have a quarterback like Matthew Stafford and Cooper Cup and Puka Nakua and you have a real play call that you feel great about.

I'm worried, Justin.

Now I'm worried this has happened like seven times, including in the most recent Super Bowl, and it's just going to be getting bombarded with people calling me an idiot.

But

if it has happened a lot, great.

And I'm glad that I'm on the right side of history.

If it's not happened at all, I would like to

be the change that you want to see in the world.

You know what I'm saying?

Kenny Rogers.

Yes, absolutely.

Yeah, yes.

Kenny Rogers said that first.

All right.

Good stuff.

We'll be back on Friday morning.

If you go to patreon.com backslash heed the call,

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Sunday, we'll have a recap of every Sunday game, the flagship show.

Of course, check that out.

And yes, also, cycling back to the old Patreon,

Bob and I really nerded out for the latest throwback podcast.

If you are a fan of Britpop,

if you're a fan of 90s rock, if you're a fan of Oasis, especially, we tried to guess the set list for the Oasis Live 25 reunion, and I'm feeling pretty good about where we came down.

So if that's something

at all interests you, check it out on Patreon exclusively.

All right, Justin, you've done great work, as always.

Thanks, Dan.

I miss Mark, but this was cool.

Just you and me.

It's kind of like private time.

You could get used to it too, couldn't you?

No, I could not.

What did you?

I saw you put something in Mark's oatmeal.

Is that why he's not here right now?

Mark is integral to the show.

I am but a mere producer.

You are so much more.

But thank you so much, buddy.

And thank you to JB Long.

And thank you to you, the listener/slash viewer.

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