MNF Recap: Ravens-Buccaneers & Chargers-Cardinals

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Speaker 4 could you imagine at the beginning of a year that there would be a time where you'd be derrick henry's lead blocker uh first play whatever it was no not really uh um but you know he made a move cut back um cut back cross field i'm just trying to get him in the end zone so it's like i got you like i'm i see this guy 20 24 see 31.

Speaker 5 I thought he was past me with 31. I would have kept blocking him, but

Speaker 5 he got a lot of yards.

Speaker 8 He

Speaker 10 got a lot of yards. He being Derrick Henry, the man speaking them words was Lamar Jackson, the dual superstars of the Baltimore Ravens, who put on yet another show on Monday night in Tampa.

Speaker 10 A 41-31 victory for the Ravens, who have now won five consecutive games after their

Speaker 10 0-2 start to their season.

Speaker 10 And on the other side of the ball, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers fall to 4-3 and also lose both of their star wide receivers in what was a calamitous evening for Todd Bowles' team.

Speaker 10 Dan Hans is here with Mark Sessler. Heating that call.
Two Monday night games to get to and some news updates from the Sunday action. Sessdog,

Speaker 10 how are you, by the way?

Speaker 8 Well, you know, what a night. When you can give me not one, but two Monday night football games, you know that there's a tingle within.
I just feel electrified. So, you know, I'm doing great.

Speaker 10 I got a little soapboxing to do in a bit, but I know.

Speaker 10 I'm going to

Speaker 10 stick a pin in it for now.

Speaker 10 Okay. Yeah, let's talk about, we're going to talk about both games, obviously.

Speaker 10 The Cardinals and Chargers also played this evening, but we're going to start with the Ravens because,

Speaker 10 you know, there was a point when

Speaker 10 the Ravens, you know, obviously took control of this game. They fall behind 10-0,

Speaker 10 but then they put up 17 points in the second quarter, 17 more in the third quarter.

Speaker 10 Tampa Bay does not score in either of those periods, and they very quickly turn this game into a laugher and just an avalanche.

Speaker 10 And I thought to myself, Sus Dog, as we saw Lamar throw five touchdown passes and Derrick Henry have an 81-yard run and finish with close to 200 total yards and a touchdown himself.

Speaker 10 If the Ravens don't do it this year, if they don't get out of the AFC and they don't win, Lamar is like 23-1 now against the NFC on top of it with Troy Aikman had to point out, yeah, he is.

Speaker 10 Well, maybe it'd be good if he gets to the Super Bowl. If they don't get to the Super Bowl this year, I don't know if they'll ever get there.
It's a wide open path.

Speaker 10 I know it's too early to talk that way, but as I watch this team, Mark, it's all I could think about.

Speaker 8 Well, you know, I think there is a reason for it to feel very different. We've been saying that for months, that Lamar feels different to me.

Speaker 8 The person of Lamar Jackson, there is sort of a Super Bowl pheromone scent and aura coming off this team that feels different, more complete, more versatile than in years past, where it was like you're kind of just hoping that you get superstar Lamar and everyone around him does their part to some degree.

Speaker 8 But I thought tonight, even before Derrick Henry went wild, which happened later in the game, was that we saw Mark Andrews become what we want him to be again. He's got three touchdowns in two weeks.

Speaker 8 Rashad Bateman, big plays after Zay Flowers went out. Pat Ricard blowing people up to set Derrick Henry free.
And it's like this whole thing with Todd Munkin in year two, it's just working.

Speaker 8 Like they added the right pieces, and it's absolutely, there aren't that many teams right now in pro football dropping 34 straight unanswered points on what has been a pretty good defense, but on any team, you're just not seeing that.

Speaker 8 And the second Monday night game is an example of what we're seeing from a lot more football teams. So they're different.
They feel different.

Speaker 8 I think the opening comment from Lamar, you just see there's sort of something coming off them. They kind of feel like this is a different type of player.

Speaker 8 And so if they don't get to the Super Bowl, you're right. It would be to me a surprise because even more than the Chiefs, they're the team right now.

Speaker 10 It just feels like it's their time. And yeah, the Chiefs are the undefeated team.
And the Chiefs did beat the Ravens narrowly in week one. But I just think this is the best team in football.

Speaker 10 I thought that last year, and it didn't work out in January. And in a lot of ways, that will be the challenge for these Ravens:

Speaker 10 can they get to

Speaker 10 January in one piece? Can they get there healthy? And then can they finally slay some of those demons?

Speaker 10 But in the meantime, they can just kick the shit out of all these teams like the Bucs who entered this game fancying themselves as a real NFL Super Bowl contender.

Speaker 10 And while they might still win their division,

Speaker 10 and I don't even know if that's going to happen,

Speaker 10 we'll get to the injuries in a bit.

Speaker 10 This was a shining example of the difference between a true superpower in Baltimore and teams that are aspiring to be that but aren't quite.

Speaker 10 And, you know, the other side of the ball deserves credit, too, because they got out of the gates slow,

Speaker 10 but they closed hard. And forget about the 21 points in the fourth quarter that the Bucs put up because that was all in garbage time.

Speaker 10 But Zachor has this defense cooking as well, and they had cooked up Baker Mayfield, whose stats are inflated. He struggled through most of this game.

Speaker 10 So this is a team that is really thriving on both sides of the football. And I thought the game itself pivoted very quickly.

Speaker 10 You know, we watched watched that Sunday night game, and we saw the Aaron Rodgers interception at the end of the second quarter create the avalanche for the Pittsburgh Steelers. In this game, it was

Speaker 10 7-0 Bucs. They go right down the field and score a touchdown.
The Ravens don't do anything in their first possession of offense. The Bucs get it back, and they're going right down the field again.

Speaker 10 And you have a touchdown pass to Chris Godwin that gets called back. It's a kind of a bogus holding call on Tristan Wurfs, but it wipes out.
Yes, it wipes out the touchdown.

Speaker 10 Mike Evans, then, who had his 100th career touchdown catch to start this game, but was playing on a bad hamstring, very nearly comes down with a touchdown catch in the end zone, but he really jacks up that hamstring.

Speaker 10 He leaves the game. He's out.
The Bucs settle for three. They're up 10.
And then immediately the Ravens take control with the touchdown. Baker throws a pick.
The Ravens score again.

Speaker 10 It's 17-10 and then the floodgates open. So the game kind of all turned like that very quickly, Mark.

Speaker 8 Yeah, and it was Baker throwing a second pick right after it because what we've relied on, if you're a Tampa Bay, is this really pristine version of Baker Mayfield, who was playing, if you took the name off the back of the jersey, like an MVP.

Speaker 8 And both of those picks came from Marlon Humphrey. He got hurt too, and that's the only thing that could derail the Bucks or the Ravens a little bit.

Speaker 8 Could be injuries because Zay Flowers is banged up as well. So you've got to monitor that.

Speaker 8 But the Bucs, to me, I thought they started out with such energy and focus and precision on offense, and it fell apart with mistakes. And with the Ravens, you just, A, you can't turn the ball over.

Speaker 8 We get that. But secondly, like, you've got to try to find a way to contain this multi-weaponed attack.
And the bow just broke. Like, the floodgates open.

Speaker 8 And the Ravens just looked completely unstoppable. And you're right.
Like, the final score doesn't indicate the fact that this game was completely over at halftime, I thought.

Speaker 10 Yeah, let's talk about now how the game ended up being 41-31 because once the Ravens had blown the doors off the Bucs, the Bucs just kept passing the ball. They recovered an onside kick.

Speaker 10 So they get three scores in the fourth quarter. However, so Mike Evans goes out with that hamstring injury.

Speaker 10 You know, that was, to me, that was questionable move, number one, by Tampa Bay, playing Evans. And I know he's a warrior and there's a reason.

Speaker 10 He's been one of the most successful, durable players, but he was not right from the first possession. Even on the touchdown catch, he barely made it back to the sideline.
He was hurting.

Speaker 10 And now, after he further injures it later in the half, you wonder, is he dealing with a multi-week injury, these hamstring issues? Look what's happening, obviously, in Houston with Nico Collins.

Speaker 10 These things happen. They could really, Justin Jefferson last year, they can really jack up seasons.
So you wonder how long you lose Mike Evans. And then to have Chris Godwin on the field,

Speaker 10 after they put up the 21 points, the Ravens had taken out Lamar Jackson and handed the ball off three times. It's a 10-point game with less than a minute to play.

Speaker 10 Baker's just slinging it. And I know his stats are going up, and I'm not saying this is Baker's fault, but I'm like, why are they doing this? And Baker's throwing these hospital balls up there.

Speaker 10 And Godwin comes down with a catch,

Speaker 10 kind of a grotesque ankle turn. It's a dislocated ankle, suffered in garbage time in a game they almost had no chance of winning.

Speaker 10 And after the game, obviously, now that Evans is on the shelf and Godwin very likely could be gone for the season, when you see that air cast on, it's never good news.

Speaker 10 He was asked by the reporters whether he thought he played this right.

Speaker 11 With Mike going down, we didn't have that many receivers left as it was, so we play what we got.

Speaker 12 Isn't that even more, perhaps,

Speaker 12 important

Speaker 12 to preserve Chris for the Falcons that Mike's possibly not going to play?

Speaker 11 Well, you can say that because he got hurt. We don't second guess.
We got our guys. We're playing everybody we got.

Speaker 11 It's unfortunate he got hurt and we feel bad about that, but he's a football player and he wants to be in the game just like Baker and everybody else wanted to be in the game.

Speaker 12 Don't you have an obligation though to protect your players from themselves?

Speaker 11 I do protect my players all the time. It has nothing to do with why we left them in the ball game.
We still had a shot to score some points and win the ball game. It happened.
It happens in football.

Speaker 10 So, and I get it. Like, he's kind of in a tough spot because 10 points is right on that borderline, Mark, where

Speaker 10 you could pack it in and people won't give you the stink eye, or you could keep going for it and maybe try to get it to a one-score game.

Speaker 10 But in reality, and there was also some tweets flying around, Mark, some misinformation, you know, and that we live in this era of

Speaker 10 disinformation where

Speaker 10 it was thought that one of the rule changes was that you cannot have more than two on-side kicks in a game.

Speaker 10 And

Speaker 10 that's not true. I mean, that's actually not the case.

Speaker 10 In fact, let me see what the actual rule is. I wrote this down.
I saw somebody was tweeting about it.

Speaker 10 You can have as many on-side kicks as you desire if you're trailing in the fourth quarter, regardless of the new kickoff rules.

Speaker 10 But anyway, like they would have had to score again, recover a second on-side kick, and then score again. So it's fair to ask whether it was...
better to put Gabriel on the shelf, but

Speaker 10 now it's too late to change anything.

Speaker 8 I mean, I thought that

Speaker 8 the way the, I love these press corners, like the way the questioning went was a little aggro. It was a little aggressive because I don't know.

Speaker 10 And Todd is unflappable, but I could tell even by even though his tone didn't change, Mark, that when you're saying stuff like, don't you owe it to your players to protect them, that's a pretty pointed question to be thrown at a head coach.

Speaker 8 I think, first of all, like, you know,

Speaker 8 it's a committee decision. Like, your quarterback is out there.
You're down by 10. Your quarterback is out there.

Speaker 8 You've lost Mike Evans. You want your best other wide receiver out there.
You want your players. You've got a chance to win.
What is the other option?

Speaker 8 We're going to pull everyone off the field and call the game essentially from the Bucs side

Speaker 8 after we've kind of gotten ourselves back into this affair. I mean, I think someone's pointing, like, well, now you don't have them against the Falcons.

Speaker 8 Now, they play the Falcons, the Chiefs, and the Niners. So, you know, holistically, they're in hot water because Mike Evans was screaming on the ground when he went down.

Speaker 8 Like, that didn't look like a, I think he'll be fine tomorrow. We'll find out.
But the Godwin injury looks terrible. He's probably out for the year.
And you've got the meat of your schedule coming up.

Speaker 8 You're a team on the brink. I understand why Bulls would be asked that, but this is one area where I'm like, look, Todd Bowles, man, he's going to do what his players want to.

Speaker 8 And I think he thought he did what was right. And so

Speaker 8 that's not one I have a big problem with. You know, when you see Dak Prescott out there and they're down like 34 to 10 in these games, it's like, that's when I get annoyed with that kind of stuff.

Speaker 8 Not with this one.

Speaker 10 Well, I will say, once Chris Godwin's ankle is turned in the opposite direction that it was designed by the Lord Almighty, perhaps we then should stop slinging the ball.

Speaker 10 Even like Joe Buck is exasperated. He's like, hey, shut it down, Todd, at a certain point.
They threw to the very, even Baker takes a hit on a scramble as time runs out. He's like, what are we doing?

Speaker 10 Go ahead.

Speaker 9 Well,

Speaker 8 there was another whiteout that was nearly killed on the next pass after the injury, too. So I'm with you on that.

Speaker 10 I don't know, man. I don't know if it was handled that well by Todd, but also it was a tough situation.
Final stat, Mark, Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 10 He really is, he was better in 23 than he was in his 19 MVP season, and I think he's a better quarterback this year compared to last year.

Speaker 10 Jackson against the Blitz used to be able to cook up some Lamar with the Blitz. Not this year.

Speaker 10 He's really handling it well in this game, 13 for 17, 186 yards, four touchdown passes, no picks, 151 passer ratings.

Speaker 10 So Todd Bowles tried to cook up Lamar, and it was Todd Bowles and the Bucs defense who got cooked.

Speaker 10 Terrible performance by Tampa's defense, which just wide open prairie fields on several of the Ravens scores.

Speaker 8 Well, I think on Thursday I called this like the named after that novel, the Electro-Kool-Aid Acid Test for the Bucs and who they are and whether or not we can believe in them.

Speaker 8 And, you know, 10 minutes in this, I thought, all right,

Speaker 8 this Tampa team is interesting. And, you know, an hour and a half later, less interesting.
And they are who they are. And they're hanging around in the NFC South, but it's going to be tough.

Speaker 8 The reason they've been good is because they've had a lot of kind of quietly, really productive guys on offense. It's a team we don't pay a lot of attention to, but you've just lost two of them.

Speaker 10 And if you are someone who still sometimes wonders about Baker, I am one of them.

Speaker 10 Sometimes it's been said, well, Baker is the beneficiary of these two great Titans at wide receiver and Godwin and Evans.

Speaker 10 This will be a good little A-B test for Baker, who's going to now have to make it work. He's going to have to go a full Justin Herbert for the time being, it looks like.

Speaker 10 So we'll see how Baker handles that change in personnel. Let's move to the second game, Mark,

Speaker 10 that was

Speaker 10 played.

Speaker 10 Man, it's almost like I've already forgotten this game. Like it literally

Speaker 10 ended about 24 minutes ago, and I needed to remember where it was and who played. It was the Chargers and Cardinals.
Let's get to it.

Speaker 10 All right, here we go.

Speaker 10 From Arizona, the Chargers, Cardinals, and it was the home team that got this one done.

Speaker 10 Kyler Murray had a 44-yard touchdown run early in the fourth quarter and then led the cards on a drive that culminated with Chad Ryland's 32-yard field goals. Time expired.

Speaker 10 allowing Arizona to rally to a 17-15 win over the Chargers.

Speaker 10 It was nearly the Chargers' daymark because Cameron Dicker, Dicker the kicker, he ties a franchise record with a 59-yard field goal in the first half.

Speaker 10 He ends up going five for five on the night to put up all of the points for the

Speaker 10 Chargers, which is absolutely maddening.

Speaker 10 Justin's throwing up the hook'em horns. I guess he went to UT.
That's cool. But ultimately, when you don't score touchdowns, Sestog,

Speaker 10 teams will find a way to beat you, and the Cardinals find a way to beat the Chargers. Very 2023-type Chargers loss, even with Jim Harbaugh in the building.

Speaker 8 Yeah, because Jim Harbaugh didn't seem like a difference-making coach tonight. And the plan here for the Chargers is concerning.

Speaker 8 If you're going to be a field goal offense, then you can't, you've got to do what you do very well, and that's been pounding the ball, running right up the gut of defenses.

Speaker 8 And I thought this was a Jonathan Gannon game. Finally, like that defense, and they're undermanned, but guys like Zavin Collins, Kaisier, White.

Speaker 8 Well, I'll tell you why, because you held the Chargers to 59 yards rushing at 2.7 yards per rush. So that's, if you take that away from the Bolts, then they simply can't do what they want to do.

Speaker 8 Now, you got a ton of passing yardage for Justin Herbert. He looks so frustrated to me in this game.
They just, they don't have weapons, and they're stuck.

Speaker 8 They're just one-dimensional to me. And all you needed was,

Speaker 8 it was another one of these, the Cardinals are so hot and cold. We talked about all the results on Thursday.
It's like,

Speaker 8 this one week, there's something else the next week. But tonight, you got the version that played good defense.
You got the big play from Kyler Murray. And James Conner did James Conner things.

Speaker 8 He was the big difference maker, too, down the stretch. So

Speaker 8 it wasn't pretty, and the Cardinals are not going to be pretty, but they're doing it without Marvin Harrison being what they thought he would be. He's really been essentially invisible this season.

Speaker 8 So you're squeaking out a pretty ugly win that was playing across from a very big primetime game. Probably 14 people watched this, but we were one of those 14 people, two of them.

Speaker 9 Well,

Speaker 10 let's start here.

Speaker 10 This doesn't change much about how I feel about the Cardinals. They did find a way to win this game, but they seem to still be a pretty inconsistent outfit that

Speaker 10 I don't know.

Speaker 10 They could beat a Chargers team that can't score a touchdown in their building on the last play of the game, but I still struggle to take Arizona seriously as a team that we need to view as a real playoff contender in the NFC.

Speaker 10 Maybe that will change. Maybe they're evolving and they're finding their way.
On the Chargers side, yeah, because

Speaker 10 Los Angeles had nearly 400 yards of offense in this game. And

Speaker 10 Herbert, to his credit, and I've been a little harder on Herbert than others because I always thought, you know, praising him as a god-tier level quarterback, well, you need to have some success in this league

Speaker 10 to qualify for that type of praise, which he's never really had. It's mostly not been his fault, I should say, as well, because in this game, perfect example, he goes 27 of 39, 349 yards.

Speaker 10 He averages nearly nine yards

Speaker 10 an attempt. He gets beat up again.
His thumb is banged up in this game. He plays through it.
He's a tough dude. But

Speaker 10 it's like every time they got to striking distance, it really stood out that he doesn't have anybody to throw the ball to. I mean,

Speaker 10 you know, It's nice to see him slinging the rock because he's such a talented thrower of the football, But my God, this offense is so limited by its personnel in the pass-catching realm.

Speaker 10 Post-Keenan Allen, post-Mike Williams. I do not need Will Disley being a target.

Speaker 10 And I know whoever the announcer was that said it, I don't know if it was Orlofsky or Greasy or whoever is in the booth there telling me, like, oh, Will Disley is so underrated. It's like, calm down.

Speaker 10 Disley's fine.

Speaker 10 He's not a difference maker. I do not need Will Disley being being targeted a game high 11 times in this game.

Speaker 10 Three Will Disley targets? Sure. Six seems like a lot.

Speaker 9 11?

Speaker 9 11? Jonathan Wilma?

Speaker 9 Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 Enough.

Speaker 9 So like,

Speaker 9 this is just unbelievable.

Speaker 10 So it's like, that's the problem. He has nobody to throw to.
And every one of his throws, almost every throw, unless they pull something off with some play action, is a tight window throw.

Speaker 10 Like, there's nothing easy for Justin Herbert. So, I've, I've now, they seem to me almost like

Speaker 10 Steelers West, where everything's just a grind, and maybe they'll win games, and they'll lose games too, narrowly, like this, but it's almost never going to be exciting, and I don't think that's going to change until they go and get some playmakers around this very talented young quarterback.

Speaker 10 And I'm sick of talking about the Chargers this way because they went and they got Jim Harbaugh and that was supposed to be a huge piece that was going to change things but it doesn't they feel limited they just feel limited well it's like to the Will Disley point 81 yards tonight is the most by any pass catcher this year in this offense and so it just to me it feels like

Speaker 8 The plan is not to have Justin Herbert throw the ball 39 times either. They just couldn't do what I think Jim Harbaugh wanted to do this year tonight.

Speaker 8 And you're a team that's built around two high-powered left tackles, and you're backfield. And that did not, that formula failed this evening, and that's when the Chargers will fail.

Speaker 8 And I picked them to go to the AFC title game probably because, I mean, obviously, back in the summer, you're living in Mythland on all sorts of things.

Speaker 8 And I thought, you know, Harbaugh alone would find a way to do something atypical in Zig when the rest of the AFC was doing something else. And you see how limited they are.
So, you know,

Speaker 8 it feels like year one of like a three-year plan.

Speaker 10 Yeah, and I picked the Chargers to make the playoffs this year as well. So I think a lot of people got sucked in, and they still could.
I mean, this isn't a team that are cratering.

Speaker 10 They came very close to being in a great spot. But at the same time, you see the limitations and the shackles that are on Herbert.

Speaker 10 And that's going to be something that's going to lead to a lot of games like this, games that will go down to the last couple of minutes. And those games that are toss-ups,

Speaker 10 maybe they have one of those years like the Vikings a couple of years ago where more of those go their way and they get to 10 and 7. But it could also go the other way.

Speaker 10 Here's Harbaugh after the game, who, in his estimation, didn't even lose tonight. Nelson Mandela, I mean, I said, I don't lose.

Speaker 13 I either win or I learn. And,

Speaker 13 you know, to me, what that means is, you know,

Speaker 13 make sure we learn from

Speaker 13 things that happen and

Speaker 13 make that make

Speaker 13 let that make us better.

Speaker 10 All right, so, you know, there's Jim, and Jim's going to be Jim. And And we all like it.
It's fun.

Speaker 10 But you didn't like how this game ends. On the Cardinals side, going back to them, Sestog,

Speaker 10 you know, part of the frustration with the Cardinals is that Kyler Murray scramble touchdown was another reminder of how one-of-one he is and why it's hard to totally sell on the Cardinals.

Speaker 10 And ESPN did a nice job highlighting rookie linebacker Junior Coulson taking a straight line angle on Murray and absolutely having no shot as Murray, Murray, you know,

Speaker 10 pitter pattered with that giant helmet and those little feet right down the sideline and just made it look like,

Speaker 10 you know, part in this, but video game-like and how easy it was for him to get to the end zone.

Speaker 10 But so that's good. But then to your Marvin Harrison Jr.

Speaker 10 point, this guy who was touted as a one-of-one himself and one of the best wide receivers to enter the league in the past decade, they showed at one point a cut up of some of his routes.

Speaker 10 He was back in don't give a shit mode. Um, and I'm not going all in on my selling of my routes and blocking because I'm not getting the ball enough.

Speaker 10 And remember when we looked at the next-gen stats or whatever the stats were, the pop of the hood analytics of his week one, and we were trying to make sense of it.

Speaker 10 Well, it's because he's mixing all these plays in, these low effort, not running hard, not giving 100%

Speaker 10 aspects to his effort in these games. And that's troubling, like straight up.
That is something that would be concerning to me if I was a member of the Cardinals' front office.

Speaker 8 I'm with you.

Speaker 8 I mean, I thought after, you know, a wet fart in week one and an explosive, what seemed to be breakout game in week two for Marvin Harrison, to be back here game after game, 21 yards tonight.

Speaker 8 Three catches.

Speaker 8 If he gave the effort that I see from, for instance, Trey McBride, who is a pretty unheralded player considering how effective he is, I think Trey McBride week after week is this guy that just like, wow,

Speaker 8 I think he's a piece for the Cardinals. And like, what is happening in that wide receiver room? And like, is Marvin Harrison, I just wonder, you know, we don't know, but like, is he taking coaching?

Speaker 8 Is he working with veterans? Is he wanting to learn and try? Because I'm with you. Tonight, I saw someone that did not seem completely plugged in.

Speaker 9 And look, what's the relationship with the quarterback?

Speaker 10 Remember early in the season where Kyler Murray tells the media it's not my job to make sure that Marvin Harrison is involved in this offense.

Speaker 8 That means more now to me than it did at the time.

Speaker 10 You're right. A little bit of a disconnect, and I would think it's something to keep an eye on moving forward because his rookie season has not played out to plan.

Speaker 10 And by the way, the last target to Marvin Harrison was on the game-winning field goal drive by the Cardinals, and it was a drop.

Speaker 10 Harrison had a huge drop near midfield, but the Cardinals got bailed out by a highly suspect

Speaker 10 personal foul for unnecessary roughness on Cam Hart, who, again, how many times am I going to have to say this? How is this not reviewable? It decides games.

Speaker 10 That would have been a third and 10 after the drop for the Cardinals. And maybe Kyler leads them to a first down and they get back into field goal range anyway.
But that sets them up near midfield.

Speaker 10 And then they just needed a couple more plays into their credit. They made the plays, and James Conner made some big runs

Speaker 10 down the stretch

Speaker 10 and they made the field goal.

Speaker 10 But you hate to see that because I thought that was a very ticky-tack penalty when guys are selling out trying to win a game and a collision occurs near the sideline and we're throwing laundry.

Speaker 10 No, no, no, no.

Speaker 8 Come on. Yeah, because like both of these games had a number of penalties you could call out and say, what on earth is happening here? And that's the problem is because every game is.

Speaker 8 It's just that we notice them more because they're happening here on primetime, but every single game is littered with two or three outrageous calls.

Speaker 10 All right, so there you go.

Speaker 10 The Cardinals go to three and four, and they get the Dolphins next week in Miami and bad timing for them because that is Tua returning to action and we're going to get to that in just a little bit.

Speaker 10 And the Chargers get the Saints and this is the right time to get the Saints. So they can get off the mat at three and three.
Let's take a break and then we'll do some news.

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Speaker 6 All right, we are

Speaker 3 back.

Speaker 10 All right, should I climb up on my soapbox, Mark?

Speaker 8 Well, I think it's that time.

Speaker 9 Yes, I think so.

Speaker 10 So you and I, we go back.

Speaker 10 We were working at the NFL before Thursday Night Football even existed.

Speaker 10 I believe it came into play in 2011, which would have been our second season covering the league for the league's digital property.

Speaker 10 And looking back on that now,

Speaker 10 the beginning of Thursday Night Football really was Pandora's box in so many ways. Once they cracked that open as a revenue stream, it changed the NFL's entire viewpoint on

Speaker 10 what's possible. So, you know, since it's been this like creep, it's been this creep.
So Thanksgiving night, okay, add it. Add a game.
Christmas triple header, add it.

Speaker 10 Friday night game in week one, why not? All these double Monday night games are just more of the same, which is a byproduct of the hard-fought negotiations between billion-dollar companies.

Speaker 10 And it's all being packaged, SestDog, as Arg, Arg, Arg, more football for us fans.

Speaker 10 Of course, it's only more football as long as you pay for subscriptions for Sunday Ticket and Amazon and Peacock and NFL Plus and ESPN Plus and whatever is the next streaming giant that gives the NFL its money to have a piece of the shield.

Speaker 10 And if you don't think that this ends with the Super Bowl being played on pay-per-view, you're not paying attention. All right.
Hang on. Climbing off the soapbox.

Speaker 6 All right.

Speaker 8 I want to just like

Speaker 8 go stand by the soapbox for a minute because,

Speaker 8 you know, and we're not trying to sound like olds here, you know, because I think the thing is, is that Monday night football, when you were a young football fan,

Speaker 8 it was genuinely special. Like, it was genuinely cool to watch a night.
There weren't even night games back then. There wasn't even Sunday night football.
So it really stood out.

Speaker 8 And if your team was on Monday night football, it was like, and I, you know, I was a Browns fan.

Speaker 8 I'm walking around my middle school in the East Coast being like, my team is on tonight, not your stupid Jets and Giants and all you people that get to watch your team on Sundays.

Speaker 8 It's happening at night. And now I'm like, wait a minute.

Speaker 8 Whenever they advance the game plan, like the fact that the Chiefs play every day of the week this season, other than Tuesday, I believe,

Speaker 8 that is an insane reality that we live in. And I just think that whatever they creep into, they're never creeping back.

Speaker 8 And we're going to have, I think, probably six to eight double Monday night games a year from now because it's about gambling and it's about

Speaker 8 money, obviously, and greed. And to me, it's just not enjoyable watching two Monday night games at the same time.
It's just, it isn't for the fans.

Speaker 8 They don't care at all about the fans that they say that's what it's for.

Speaker 8 Or, you know, and I get, we work in it, and so maybe there's that angle where it's like, wait, we've got to go talk about it versus going to like Dave and Buster's and drinking beers during the game.

Speaker 8 But it's like two games at the same time feels like a convoluted concept at night on Monday evening. Yeah, and I

Speaker 10 agree. And I also, I'm not, this isn't like belly aching or being bitter because we used to work for the NFL and now we don't.
It's just, it's more just an observation.

Speaker 10 It's people who have been covering the game and you see how the schedule has changed so much and how it used to be Sunday and Monday. And then it was Thursday.
and now it's the different days.

Speaker 8 It's Friday, and it's Saturday, and it's the holidays, and it's like Christmas Day, three games on Christmas Day or something. It's like what?

Speaker 10 It's a lot. And just to be clear, like, I'm not saying this has been all bad for fans.

Speaker 10 Like, for instance, I think the continued evolution of the International Series has been handled and it's evolved in a natural way, in an organic way, and it's been done well.

Speaker 10 And not just because Henry Hodgson should be the next commissioner of the NFL, but the way the game has been grown in a very,

Speaker 10 again, organic, smart way in the UK, and you see it with the success of those games that we just wrapped up, and the games in Germany and Brazil and Mexico we're going to get again. That's all good.

Speaker 10 But it's some of the, and Connor made a good point about how another byproduct of this is the Sunday slate just keeps on getting a little less appetizing. And

Speaker 10 there's a robbing Peter to PayPal aspect to some of this as well. So it's not, I'm not clowning on the league or anything like that.
It's more just an observation of how much this continues to change.

Speaker 10 And it used to be these double Monday night games would pop up at the beginning of the year.

Speaker 10 And now

Speaker 10 it's scattered throughout the season. I don't know if this is going to continue in perpetuity.
I haven't looked forward.

Speaker 10 Is this the end of it after this, Justin? Or is there more?

Speaker 6 Yeah, he doesn't know.

Speaker 10 He's into his third gummy of the night. It's a moment.

Speaker 8 You know, I'm with you, because I know this is the kind of thing you got to tweet. Like, you guys, like, you know, come on, what's going on?

Speaker 8 It's like, look, it's your, if you like it, if you're out there and you like it, then good for you. Like, I'm happy for that.

Speaker 8 But I am just saying saturation of anything that is precious, if you saturate and you get too much of it, anything, it starts to lose its special quality.

Speaker 8 And I think they're dancing on that line with certain fans, and I'm one of them.

Speaker 6 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 10 All right, let's do some news.

Speaker 15 Well, I do appreciate it. Maybe a little bit more.
Yeah,

Speaker 15 you take it for granted. You say, give me french fries.
I'll never forget this experience, okay? Now I know how to do it, and it's very good. But you know what? It's beautiful.
It's clean.

Speaker 15 It's really nice. You never touch them.
I always figured somebody stuffs them in with their hand and I don't like that. And they don't do it that way.

Speaker 15 You never touch them.

Speaker 8 It's really great.

Speaker 10 You never touch them. It's really great.
One of my memories, such a wild summer, Sess Dog,

Speaker 10 when we were transitioning to the beginning of Heed the Call. I remember we had that fun afternoon in El Segundo where we shot the promo video with Bob, and

Speaker 10 we just did like Trump impressions for about two hours straight over drinks after we shot.

Speaker 16 Yeah.

Speaker 10 There's an election coming up. Did you know that?

Speaker 8 Yes,

Speaker 8 we're creeping towards that

Speaker 8 pivotal moment.

Speaker 8 I genuinely think he

Speaker 8 enjoyed that experience serving french fries and just the words that he used about the whole McDonald's operation.

Speaker 10 I just thought people are sticking their meat hooks into the fryer and throwing them into the sand.

Speaker 8 I thought that too, though.

Speaker 8 I kind of thought that was a sensible observation that, like, who knows? If I'm going to go order drive-through McDonald's, I can't claim it's going to be pure.

Speaker 8 I have to know that a lot's happening there.

Speaker 10 Well,

Speaker 10 you two are aligned in so many ways. So, this is the first time.

Speaker 8 No, that's not where I'm going with that. But it's one observation.
I was like, hmm, I've kind of thought the same thing.

Speaker 10 Let's get to it. Let's get to

Speaker 10 the news.

Speaker 10 Tua Tunga Vailoa. It's going down.
He's designated to return from IR and plans to play in week eight, as we mentioned, against the Cardinals. He's missed four games with the head injury.

Speaker 10 The Dolphins won, I believe, one of those games. I think they beat the Patriots, but otherwise, it's been a bunch of grim defeats for Miami.

Speaker 10 So this is a huge step back towards contention potentially for the Dolphins. And hopefully Tua can avoid the head injury when he returns to the lineup.
Here is his comments to the media on Monday.

Speaker 4 There are a lot of people out there legitimately worried about your health and making sure that you're okay. What would you say to those that are worried that you might get hurt again?

Speaker 7 And this is something that's going to continue.

Speaker 10 I appreciate your concern. I really do.

Speaker 10 I love this game, and I love it to the death of me. That's it.

Speaker 6 All right. Well, I don't know.

Speaker 10 Not the words I would use there, considering the severity of the part of his body that continues to get trauma. But at the same time,

Speaker 10 you know, he is,

Speaker 10 we just talked about it. Like, Mike Evans is a warrior, too, obviously, to continue to come back, also has that dog in him, and hopefully he can stay on the field.

Speaker 8 Well, yeah, I think you can't, like, the more you talk to athletes, like, you can't.

Speaker 8 play football at this level and have a creeping sense in your mind that you're not invincible.

Speaker 8 Like you've got to believe that no matter what, like you're going to be fine, you're going to be safe, safe, and healthy, and be a warrior.

Speaker 8 And I think also there's a part of him that feels accountable to his team. I mean, if you look at their schedule, you've got the Cardinals, we mentioned that.
Then it's the Bills. That's a huge game.

Speaker 8 The Rams, Raiders, and Patriots. It's a long season.
If you get the Tua...

Speaker 8 That we saw before and you get that offense, they can climb back into this. I guess I'm just left watching this Dolphins team without him.
Like,

Speaker 8 you know, I always had concerns when the weather creeps towards winter, and in general, the Dolphins feel a little fraudulent to me in big moments.

Speaker 8 Like, what have they shown us without their quarterback on any level to believe in them? And so, it's really is it him and nothing else that we need him?

Speaker 8 And they come back, and everyone's the way they were before.

Speaker 8 I want to see if that's who they are because I'm at this point left a little shaken by the coaching, the roster, the performance.

Speaker 10 I guarantee

Speaker 10 they will learn from this chapter. They're lucky that it's just four games that he ends up missing, and they will have a much more decorated backup in place in 2025.

Speaker 10 But for now, they just have to hope Tua stays healthy. And for the record, Mike McDaniel also spoke to the press today, and he

Speaker 10 made it clear that medical experts deemed it safe for Tua to return. I hope that they did.

Speaker 10 In other injury news, Jaden Daniels, the Commander's prodigy quarterback, who left the blowout win over the Panthers early with a rib injury.

Speaker 10 It is not said to be a serious injury in a report from Rapsheet. However, it is an injury to the rib that will require treatment and will need to be monitored.

Speaker 10 His status for the Bears in week eight is up in the air. It's considered a week-to-week injury.

Speaker 10 And if his status... If he could play this week, that is good news.

Speaker 10 But it will also be, it's going to be a tough judgment call for Dan Quinn here, who's going to have to decide, Mark, whether it's worth against a Chicago Bears team that is absolute a playoff contender, just like Washington.

Speaker 10 Do you play it safe here and give the kid an extra week, or do you throw him back in? That's going to be a tough one, and I think Quinn will wrestle with that.

Speaker 8 Well, we don't get the Daniels-Caleb Williams matchup, which is perturbing if he doesn't play. But aren't they the polar opposite of the Dolphins team we just talked about?

Speaker 8 Like, he was out of that game entirely.

Speaker 8 I know you're playing the Panthers, which at this point, I think, like, Wilton High School could potentially beat the Panthers, but they look completely whole and ready to battle.

Speaker 8 So, yeah, I think you've got to think long-term with the commanders. And if he's in pain at all,

Speaker 8 I'd sit him or be real careful with him. You can also stick those big flap jackets on your ribs and stuff.

Speaker 8 I played the game.

Speaker 10 I'm part of the problem.

Speaker 10 I was like, ah, throw them out there. They're gladiators.
What's up, Justin?

Speaker 8 What did you say you can stick on him? you know flap jacket like that flap with a p yeah like whack

Speaker 8 no he actually wants to wrap him in batter uh like pancake batter that's what i did and then let it harden overnight yeah hardened pancakes that should do the job just checking what you said and then what he'll do is once it hardens gravedigger i'm gonna correct you

Speaker 6 i love

Speaker 10 that that's a that's an issue that pops up on the show what you have to do once the batter hardens

Speaker 10 it really is battle armor, and then you have to lay out in the sun in a grass field the following day and have the crows pick off the batter. That's the only way to get it off.
So

Speaker 10 it's not something you want to use. Most people choose the flak jacket because of that, but the flap jacket is tastier.
I mean, there's no doubt about it.

Speaker 8 That's where I was going with that. I don't understand why Justin needed to jump in there.

Speaker 10 In other injury news, Deshaun Watson, the Browns quarterback, is indeed officially done for the year. He ruptured his Achilles tendon in Sunday's loss to the Bengals.

Speaker 10 It might end up being the last time that we ever see Deshaun Watson on the field for the Cleveland Browns. Apologies, Miles Garrett.
I know he's an amazing person.

Speaker 10 Also, the San Francisco 49ers will not see Brandon Ayuk on the field again this year. Unbelievable.
He tore his ACL and his MCL in that play on Sunday.

Speaker 10 Terrible setback. So his injury will end his season and even put 2025.
You know, the race now

Speaker 10 against the clock will begin to be ready for next year. So just a real bad, bad setback there.
And Debo Samuel played a handful of snaps in that same game, but had an illness like I apparently have.

Speaker 10 That illness was bad enough that he, in addition to coming out of that game, he ended up in the hospital and he has pneumonia and fluid in the lungs, according to Adam Schefter. That's scary stuff.

Speaker 10 So hopefully

Speaker 10 Debo gets right, but he might end up missing more time potentially here.

Speaker 10 And

Speaker 10 on the Ayuk side of things, Mark, this is why guys want the contracts. I mean,

Speaker 10 who knows what Ayuk's football future is at this point? And we've made so much progress, obviously, in the science community and the surgeries that he could be as good as new and probably will be.

Speaker 10 Having that guaranteed contract before he got hurt,

Speaker 10 you know, it's fair. It's fair to point out that.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I mean, he'll be back in time, but that has been a ghastly season. They're so banged up.
Kittle's got a sprained foot. Jordan Mason has a sprained AC joint.

Speaker 8 You got the Christian McCaffrey thing. So the Niners are just in tatters right now.
There have been whispers, and I, you know, they're not, there's just little stuff floating around.

Speaker 8 Like, could they ever be sellers at the trade deadline to get, because they can't keep every one of these people forever. And so Debo's been mentioned here and there.

Speaker 8 It It was like, would Debo get moved? Now, you don't, it's not, I think if you don't move a person with pneumonia while they're in the hospital, but I'm just saying, you know,

Speaker 8 once he's better.

Speaker 10 The non-sellers? What?

Speaker 8 I don't mean like comprehensive sellers, but like

Speaker 9 one of these people.

Speaker 8 Just one of these pieces, one of these pieces. Like A Deep, but they move someone.

Speaker 8 Well, yeah, but you, like, I guess it's just, it just, it's. Do you believe that?

Speaker 8 I think that I think they could move, they could move someone, yes. I could see that.

Speaker 9 I don't have a lot of people.

Speaker 10 But I feel like that would be a massive massive mistake for a team that has the window open a finite amount of time. You're going to get Christian McCaffrey back.

Speaker 10 He's probably not playing in week eight. Kyle Shanahan told reporters he'd be surprised if McCaffrey returns in week eight.
I believe they have a buy in week nine. But if you're getting CMC,

Speaker 10 arguably the most dynamic player in the league from the non-quarterback position on the field for the stretch run, and hopefully Debo bounces back from this illness.

Speaker 10 And his Debo post by, man, give this team a chance to put it together.

Speaker 10 I would much rather bet on that or even adding someone at the deadline to supplement the offense with Ayuk out than sell. I mean, that would be just crazy.

Speaker 8 I don't think it, I'm not saying I think it's going to happen. There's just been whispers.
I think a lot of it also was stationed before this happened to Ayuk 2.

Speaker 8 And so now it's like you can't, you can, for any chance to survive, you're right. But it's like this team feels on the brink to me.
It just feels like they're snake bit.

Speaker 8 It does not feel like they're year.

Speaker 10 It's been tough. It's been tough.
On the Chiefs side, so, you know, we talked about how many injuries San Francisco's had.

Speaker 10 The Chiefs who beat the Niners at the Big Bell bottom yesterday, they have a lot of injuries too. And Jalen Watson, and they keep coming.

Speaker 10 Their cornerback, their second cornerback, suffered a fractured ankle on Sunday. He could be out for the season.
That's a big loss for them.

Speaker 10 They always seem to have a next man up, and that's part of the reason why they're so successful. They just have a deep roster.
They run it the right way.

Speaker 10 Brett Beach and Andy Reid and that whole operation has done such a great job around Mahomes.

Speaker 10 But they are going to be tested again with Watson out. Also, Juju Smith-Schuster left that game.
He had been battling a hamstring injury, and he's already been ruled out for week eight.

Speaker 10 So that could be a multi-week absence for Juju and a wide receiver room that did not need another guy to go outside of the picture.

Speaker 10 And finally, we knew that Aiden O'Connell had broken his thumb, the Raiders' quarterback. He's out four to six weeks, they believe.
He'll head to IR, and they did

Speaker 10 bring

Speaker 10 Desmond Ritter into the complex, and he will now take on a role as a backup quarterback, and given Antonio Pierce's

Speaker 10 very clear disdain for Gardner Minshew, I imagine we're going to see Desmond Ritter starting games before Aiden O'Connell gets back.

Speaker 8 We're at the point where

Speaker 8 we're watching, you know, in real-time teams float away from us.

Speaker 8 And this is one, like the entire Raiders roster and coaching staff is on like a sea vessel that just goes out under the water at this point because it i it's never a good sign when you make like a declarative um quarterback benching and then the guy gets hurt like 15 minutes later that you start that you're starting it just it's a mess

Speaker 10 uh i know a viking funeral that's when the the you go out on the ship and then they shoot the fire arrows and light the ship on fire pretty badass um a raiders funeral i don't know if it's similar you didn't know about viking funerals bro no i know about it except like they're actually the name of a team so it would seem confusing.

Speaker 10 That's what I mean. This would be a Raiders' funeral.
This would just you just float out and then.

Speaker 8 But Raiders are pirates, so

Speaker 8 they have boats of their own, so it kind of fits if you think about it. They're marauders.
They're sea-based.

Speaker 10 But what's the cool fire-based aspect to underlining the trip to the afterlife? You got to come up with something even better than the fire arrows. That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 10 If you're going to go down that road, I need something better than fire arrows.

Speaker 8 Can I think on it and announce it tomorrow

Speaker 8 or on our next show on Wednesday? Absolutely.

Speaker 10 Okay. Absolutely.

Speaker 10 Hey, before we say goodbye, that's what's happening in the news.

Speaker 10 I got Zumwalt in the waiting room. And Jay texted, I'm going to read you Jay's text.

Speaker 10 Jay Zumwalt, voice of God,

Speaker 10 heed the call.

Speaker 10 Also, now living in the middle of Connecticut after years in Los Angeles, grew up in Kingman, Arizona.

Speaker 10 So he said,

Speaker 10 here's his exact tweet, a text that he sent to us, Mark.

Speaker 10 Feel like I should be made a drunk appearance on the show.

Speaker 6 Okay.

Speaker 10 So

Speaker 9 it's one in the morning over there.

Speaker 10 Yeah,

Speaker 10 it's 1 a.m. in the middle of Connecticut.
The wife and the two kids are sleeping, but we're going to let them in and see how Jay's doing after a narrow victory for the cards. What's up, Big Z?

Speaker 8 There he is.

Speaker 10 This is really happening.

Speaker 14 I thought this was going to be a joke.

Speaker 14 How's it going? What's up, Jay?

Speaker 8 Speaking of Vikings, you look like a mighty warrior with this glowing white beard and the hat.

Speaker 14 I feel like one.

Speaker 10 I feel like one. How do you feel, Jay, tonight? Narrow in for your cards.

Speaker 14 Well, you know how I feel. Because the text said drunk.
So that's how I feel.

Speaker 14 Drunk because

Speaker 14 I started with this, a wonderful beer.

Speaker 14 And now I got a little twisted.

Speaker 10 That's very Connecticut.

Speaker 14 When you move on to the twisted iced teas, we got to get rid of the summer drinks. So here's the thing, guys.
Here's the thing. We beat a crappy team.

Speaker 14 Vosa wasn't playing. It's fine.
It's all good. I'll take anything.
Look,

Speaker 14 we all are fans of terrible teams.

Speaker 14 It's underdog. It is what it is.
But we got to win tonight. So, wow.

Speaker 16 I like it.

Speaker 14 Doing the dishes and making the kids breakfast.

Speaker 14 Daddy

Speaker 14 had a couple drinky poo.

Speaker 10 You deserve it.

Speaker 10 You deserve it. Yes, you do.

Speaker 8 Yes, you do.

Speaker 9 No, absolutely not.

Speaker 10 This is going to make it. This is absolutely going to make it.

Speaker 10 What about Marvin Harrison? We were talking about it, Jay. Like, nice job.
Kyler had the great play. Down the sideline, Ryland hits the field goal to win it.

Speaker 10 You get the W at home in prime time, even if it wasn't the real Monday night game.

Speaker 10 The shots that they showed, the cut-ups of Marvin Harrison Jr. not given clearly full effort.

Speaker 10 As a Cardinals fan, are you concerned about Harrison's headspace as a man whose headspace right now is foggy? Do you think that perhaps Marvin Harrison Jr.

Speaker 10 also dealing with some cobwebs in the brain for different reasons?

Speaker 14 I think he's a little baby boy. I think he's a little baby.
I think he needs to be slapped. I think he needs to be kicked around a little bit.
You're in the NFL now, young man. It's okay.

Speaker 14 He's going to come around. They're going to get him in the building.
They're going to talk him up.

Speaker 14 They're going to say, oh, look, the entire country, well, all the people who are watching ESPN Plus anyway,

Speaker 14 the entire fan base of two teams

Speaker 14 saw you act like a little

Speaker 14 when you didn't get the ball.

Speaker 14 And, you know, they're going to.

Speaker 14 he's he's gonna wake up he's a pro his dad's probably gonna get on the phone and say listen junior you're wearing my name out there and he's gonna wake up he's fine the thing is but basic bottom line the kid's a rook he's got all the measurables he's got all the talent in the world he just needs to realize he's not playing in college anymore that's all there was um this incredible moment dan when you mentioned that this wasn't the number one monday night game just a look of total disdain on jason's face for that.

Speaker 8 Jason, if I would Venmo you, it's one o'clock, it's 1.02 a.m.

Speaker 8 right now in Connecticut, the great state, and I would Venmo you $100 to, I'm assuming everyone in your family is asleep, to walk in and continue the speech like in the in your bedroom with and wake up your wife.

Speaker 9 What would happen to you?

Speaker 8 Like, let's make that happen right here on the show.

Speaker 14 I already woke up the entire family when Harbaugh was on the sideline screeping at the officials about that ball that was way over everybody's head so I've already done that once already so I'm not gonna do that I will take the $11.99 for that ESPN monthly charge that I immediately canceled by the way the Sun Devils and the Arizona Cardinals exclusively on ESPN the same weekend that's not a mistake let's bone the state of Arizona why don't we wow

Speaker 14 By the way, Gravedigger, it's giving production design.

Speaker 18 Yeah, Yeah, no, I love that you're standing in front of the Cardinals.

Speaker 17 I was wearing

Speaker 18 giving like a

Speaker 14 Phoenix Suns hat before this. Change the hat.
Wow. Okay.

Speaker 10 All for

Speaker 10 my man. We're very thankful if the production flourishes here today.

Speaker 10 Ladies and gentlemen, Jason Zumwalt.

Speaker 10 Have a great night, buddy.

Speaker 9 Bye, guys. Good appearance.

Speaker 16 Bye.

Speaker 10 All right, there he goes. Jason Zumwalt.
I'm happy for him. You know, getting those prime time wins is always a a fun, exciting feeling.

Speaker 10 And you wake up in the morning, the first thing you remember is, oh, yeah, my team won last night. Good for Jay.
And he mentioned 22 miles per hour.

Speaker 8 Will he remember that in the morning?

Speaker 10 This will be a good marker. And the fact that he said to us, you're going to cut this out, aren't you?

Speaker 10 Now we almost have to leave it in.

Speaker 10 So it will stay in the show.

Speaker 10 And thank you to Jason Zumwalt. Talented, talented man.
He didn't need nepotism to be successful in his life.

Speaker 10 Derrick Henry, on that touch, on that 81-yard run

Speaker 10 on the group text chat, I said, you know, something like, Derrick Henry looks like he's 24 years old. And

Speaker 10 then, you know, Gravedigger, because he can't let it go.

Speaker 10 He's like, well, I think he would have, you know, in the old days, he would have scored on that. It's like, oh, God.

Speaker 8 On the Titans.

Speaker 10 On the Titans, he would have scored. And then the next-gen stats come in with a tweet, helpfully.

Speaker 10 Derrick Henry reached a top speed of 21.72 miles per hour in his 81-yard 81-yard run the fifth fastest speed by a ball carrier this season and the third fastest of henry's career

Speaker 18 how about that yeah i think my point is if you're watching what is your point the youtube when zion mccollum comes over here and and runs him out of bounds like against the jacksonville jaguars in 2018 on the 99 yard touchdown if that was like miles jack or whoever it was on that play henry just sort of stiff-armed them out of the way and continued to run to the end zone so i don't know maybe you have issues issues still there, but is the stamina.

Speaker 10 Oh, so now he's not strong anymore.

Speaker 9 You have multiple issues, Justin. I don't know.

Speaker 18 He definitely looks like the Derrick Henry.

Speaker 3 It's unbelievable.

Speaker 10 The guy is like 6'3, 250, running nearly 22 miles per hour and running at the nearly the highest speed he's ever run. And he's 30-year-old running back with like, what, how many carries in his career?

Speaker 10 Thousands of carries in his career? 10,000 carries? I don't know. So many carries.
And the craziest thing, you see it all the time in the NFL.

Speaker 10 The guy has a big run, the running back, and he's waving to the sideline, like, get me out. He needs to get a blow, right?

Speaker 10 And he comes out and the other running back, they gave this fucking guy, they gave him the ball the next play in the red zone and the next play after that.

Speaker 9 Unbelievable.

Speaker 10 I mean, what a joy it is to watch that guy.

Speaker 10 And the Titans, listen, I'm not bagging on the Titans because they were going in a different direction.

Speaker 10 And it kind of made sense that it would have been cool if he played his whole career in Tennessee and they put the statue up and everything.

Speaker 10 But this made kind of sense that he would go find a contender for the back end of his prime here. But if you're the Cowboys, I mean, geez, or any other team that's going to be able to do that.

Speaker 8 There's about eight or nine teams that are probably thinking, like, hey, general manager, what was going on back in March?

Speaker 10 You think I come to play it here?

Speaker 9 Do you?

Speaker 7 Maybe.

Speaker 10 I mean, he is one of the greatest to ever play the position. That's a Hall of Famer that we were watching.

Speaker 8 Think about that tonight, Justin, when you crawl into your little Titans pajamas before you

Speaker 8 get into your sleeping bag or whatever you sleep in.

Speaker 10 That's what you get, Justin, for correcting Mark again.

Speaker 18 Yeah. Let me also just say, number one, I corrected Mark because it felt like something Erica would do, and I strive to be like her.
Number two, the Titans are stupid.

Speaker 18 I defended this decision in the offseason. I feel stupid for defending it.
I hate the Titans. Derrick Henry should be a Titan.
And maybe Mike Vrabel should still be the coach. That's all I got to say.

Speaker 18 We can end the show now. Okay.

Speaker 10 Oh, one more news item. This one snuck through.

Speaker 18 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 10 Jameson Williams,

Speaker 10 the talented Lions wide receiver, former first-round pick, is facing a two-game ban

Speaker 10 for violating the NFL's performance enhancing substances policy, sources told ESPN on Monday night. He

Speaker 10 had a breakout season. He's second on the team in receiving yards.
He's got three touchdowns.

Speaker 10 He

Speaker 10 is also

Speaker 10 on his second suspension now. He was suspended four games

Speaker 10 as a rookie for violating the NFL's gambling policy. Well, that was in his second season, but you get my point.

Speaker 10 Clean it up, kid.

Speaker 8 Yeah, and they have those Titans this week, and then they play the Packers in a massive showdown. So that's rough.
He's been their X Factor.

Speaker 8 They're kind of the team, though, that I just feel like they'll find another way to attack and win both games. I just think they'll survive this.
They will survive it first. Oh, they will.

Speaker 8 He's been an

Speaker 8 such a difference maker for them.

Speaker 10 That's here's something. This will go out on this, Mark.

Speaker 10 William said, according to ESPN, he was disappointed with the current suspension,

Speaker 10 not to be confused with the previous suspension,

Speaker 10 but that he has, quote, no choice but to take it on the chin. I'm in good spirits, just ready to get back with my brothers, ASAP.

Speaker 2 All is well.

Speaker 10 All right, we'll be back on Wednesday with Connor Orr talking a little football media and anything else that

Speaker 10 grabs our attention in this great old league of ball. Until next time, do what you must.
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