Patriots-Jets TNF Recap

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Speaker 1 believes hope is a good thing, maybe the best thing.

Speaker 1 53 weeks and one day ago, I sat in this very spot and tried to reckon and process the most stunning gut punch of my life as a sports fan. Tonight,

Speaker 1 after a 24-3 win by the Jets,

Speaker 1 a game in which A fully healthy Aaron Rodgers played like the franchise star we had been promised, a game in which the Jets Jets dominated a Patriots team that had tormented them for decades.

Speaker 1 It feels like the Jets have finally crept out of the darkness of the past 13 years with suddenly a wide open highway ahead. Yes, Mark Sessler, hope is a good thing, maybe even the best of things.

Speaker 2 It's, you know, for me as an assignment,

Speaker 2 well, number one, like, you're my friend.

Speaker 1 Oh, and here's a Tito's, Mark. Just to

Speaker 2 deserve a T-Do's. You deserve multiple, I would say, like, you know, before the game, after the game, during the game, you know.

Speaker 1 53 weeks and one day ago, my wife handed me a Tito's as we recorded the Monday night recap after the Achilles was blown. This is a different kind of T-Does today.
Well,

Speaker 2 that was medication. This is a balm.

Speaker 1 This is celebration.

Speaker 2 Yes, the celebration.

Speaker 1 Take it away, Mark.

Speaker 2 No, I was going to say, like,

Speaker 2 For me, the assignment is unusual because it's like if I were to come in to talk about,

Speaker 2 you know, you've got two wonderful sons. Let's say your one son, Jack, played a soccer game and I come in to provide analysis.
Like, I'm not going to get negative.

Speaker 2 Like, I'm going to, but there is no reason to be negative tonight. How many times in the history of our lives as football fans have the New York Jets come in and out-yardaged the Patriots 400 to 139?

Speaker 2 How often had they come in, and by the middle of the first quarter, you knew that New York's quarterback

Speaker 2 had this thing in hand.

Speaker 2 That New York's coaching staff, you know, beleaguered all a season ago, non-stop, had this in hand, that their defense was going to turn the New England Patriots' offense into a middle school outfit.

Speaker 2 So, Dan, I'd say tonight, this is different. And you know what, listeners, you wanted like, oh, we talk about the Browns and the Jets too much and the Titans.
I don't give a shit. Fuck you.

Speaker 2 And I mean that. I really mean that this time.

Speaker 2 This is a, we've waited over. If you're a Jets fan, it wasn't the most exciting game that we've ever seen.

Speaker 2 Low drama is fine once in a while. This was confirmation that Aaron Rodgers can still play football and the New York Jets, the way they're built right now, can beat up teams in their own division.

Speaker 2 And the New York, like the Patriots, you're like a little frisky start. Well, frisky's over.
You've got issues. And the New York Jets just came to town.

Speaker 1 I really, yeah, that is the story here, I think, is

Speaker 1 first of all, all-around great effort by the Jets. The defense, without C.J.

Speaker 1 Mosley, who's the captain of that defense in the middle, he was out with the toe injury, without Jermaine Johnson after the Achilles.

Speaker 1 They still were dominant. And Jeff Ulbric, the defensive coordinator, did an excellent job.
The Jets are not known for being a blitzing team, but they showed versatility.

Speaker 1 And they said, okay, this matchup against Jake Brisket.

Speaker 1 This is a quarterback we can get after, especially knowing that he does not have weapons around him that can create separation, and we could cook him up. And that's exactly what they did.

Speaker 1 The Patriots' offense was absolutely lifeless. And you mentioned the total yardage.

Speaker 1 That's even after Drake May came in and led them on like a 70-yard garbage time drive that fell short of the end zone, but at least put a little bit of lipstick on the pig.

Speaker 1 It was a dominating effort on the defensive side for the Jets. But the story here is Aaron Rodgers.
And

Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 1 I tweeted this during the game, and people took it the wrong way because it wasn't meant to be taking a shot at Kirk Cousins, who I know is not as far along as Rodgers is in terms of the Achilles recovery because

Speaker 1 I think Kirk tore his in late October or so and Rogers was early September. So they're on different timelines.

Speaker 1 However, you can't tell me that even with that difference in the six weeks or seven weeks or whatever it is, that it was kind of stunning. And remember, Cousins is also four years younger.

Speaker 1 You see Cousins in his first two games. He's a statue in the pocket.
Rogers in the first two games, we didn't see him move around a lot. In this game, he moved around a ton and made plays on the move.

Speaker 1 He scrambled for first downs.

Speaker 1 When the pocket was muddy, he was able to extend plays and find receivers. And Mark, the accuracy of the passing

Speaker 1 was remarkable.

Speaker 1 I mean, it almost to the point where the only quibble I would have as a Jets fan is that it's clear that the Rodgers-Garrett Wilson connection, despite the touchdown, isn't quite there yet.

Speaker 1 And they have things to work on. But everything you saw from Rodgers, like if you would have told me this was the 2020 version of Rodgers, I don't see a big difference tonight.

Speaker 1 So it's like, if you get that version of Rodgers,

Speaker 1 the Jets have a real chance to make a run here. And everyone

Speaker 1 are going to say, listening to this, like, oh, you're way too fired up. The Patriots are not a good team.

Speaker 1 Forget all that, because there's been so many times through the years where the Jets have fallen on their face, especially in primetime, especially in spots like this when they were quote-unquote supposed to win.

Speaker 1 And to see them handle an opponent and to see the quarterback play be so far in the column of the Jets, this is all uncharted territory in the history of the show that we've done together, Mark.

Speaker 1 And in general, over the 50-plus years post-Namath of the Jets, this was a strange sight.

Speaker 1 And I'm just curious, and I'm filled with excitement and anticipation whether this is the beginning of a really special season, potentially.

Speaker 2 I think you have the right to feel that that way. I mean, it has been 20, almost 25 years where these box scores went in the other direction.

Speaker 2 And to see the complete team domination the way that it was tonight, we can work out the Garrett Wilson thing. Like they've got time.

Speaker 2 Like they really haven't had that many chances to even play games together. Like that's going to figure itself out.

Speaker 2 Braylon Allen, like they're like Brees Hall, like the running game to me, like there's a lot of promise here. And the fact that this was just a complete team domination.

Speaker 2 And it's really less about the Patriots and more about the Jets tonight because the Patriots tonight are kind of what I thought they would be this season.

Speaker 2 And this was a team, the Jets, that were dominated by the Niners out of the gate, and they're figuring themselves out. And what you got tonight was a quarterback who looked like what you paid for.

Speaker 2 I know a team that went out and paid a lot of money for a quarterback, and you've not gotten that quarterback.

Speaker 2 And so it kind of really matters to find out in a rather blase performance by terms of like the it was it was it the kind of game that's going to get the nation excited like who cares like

Speaker 2 aaron rodgers went out he ran really well i thought he looked good he looked spry and like he was just deadly accurate he looked deadly accurate and he looked like it like the old version of aaron rodgers that's the most that's the most important thing that you can take away from this game is like this guy is who you wanted him to be and here we go into the meat of our schedule and the Jets looked really good tonight.

Speaker 2 Like I just think this team has a chance because there's

Speaker 2 strengths are all over the roster, and like coaching's not getting in the way. You know, the offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett did not get in the way.

Speaker 1 And that's important, too. Not to turn this all the way around on one game, but like, I think it was Kirk Herbstreet who made the point that it's like

Speaker 1 Hackett, all of a sudden, the play calling doesn't look so bad when it's Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 2 I don't think he's special, but he did not, like, you just don't notice him.

Speaker 1 You don't want to notice Nathaniel Hackett. Right, exactly.
And that's in part because it's Aaron Rodgers' offense.

Speaker 1 I thought that the interesting game, interesting thing in terms of social media that people will get fired up about, and I'm sure as we're speaking right now, Salah is being asked about it, um, was, can you fly that up, uh, Gravedigger?

Speaker 1 Uh, the, this was in the first half. Salah goes to, like, put his arms around Rodgers, and Rodgers goes, like, back off,

Speaker 1 back off.

Speaker 1 And I think if you do the lip reading, it was something along the lines of, you know, too soon. And I love that.
You know why?

Speaker 1 Because, and I hope as we're recording this, Mark, Salah's not up there in the podium spouting all sorts of nonsense about how great this team is now and how we're not afraid of anybody because he's done that before.

Speaker 1 And that's one of the reasons why Salah spooks me as a coach is that he gets a little caught up in the moment and seems to sometimes like forget that he's got to be kind of like the CEO of the team and he's not a cheerleader and he's not a defensive coordinator anymore.

Speaker 1 So Rogers, who is, and once once upon a time at our old place, I might have, you know, got myself in a little trouble about this for things that I said or maybe didn't say, Rogers runs that team.

Speaker 1 And as Salah is looking to celebrate with him in the second quarter of a game that is an 11-point game at that point, it's Rodgers that's telling his head coach, no, sir,

Speaker 1 we are not celebrating anything. We haven't accomplished anything.
And I have to remember that as well.

Speaker 1 And Jets fans have to remember that as well, that it's just week three and they're two and one and so much can happen. But again, there's a highway now in front of the Jets.

Speaker 1 And I think if the game itself, Mark, wasn't the most exciting game for

Speaker 1 Joe Q public as football fans, the fact that Rodgers has now, through this game, shown you that he can still ball, it makes the AFC more interesting and it takes them out of the category of, in theory, a team that could be dangerous to absolutely, this team with this defense and Rodgers, with the weapons he has, can absolutely be a player in the AFC.

Speaker 1 And tonight, I think, was the first real proof that we saw.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because you've got two teams in the AFC North that are 0-2 right now trying to dig out of a hole. And the Jets were a question mark coming in this game.
It's not the opponent tonight.

Speaker 2 We get that. Like, they handled them.
I'm not surprised that they went out and dominated New England on some level, but it was all about what Rodgers would be, what he'd look like, how he'd move.

Speaker 2 And I do like, he is the leader of this team, whether you like it or not.

Speaker 2 I wouldn't want my team.

Speaker 1 He's even more than the leader, though, Mark. It's like he is the team, and that's a double-edged sword.

Speaker 2 That's what I'm saying. I'm not sure that's how I'd want my team structured for like a decade plus.
This is for a couple years, and we're fine with that.

Speaker 2 And it has to work. And tonight is the first real tangible proof that

Speaker 2 they've got. the recipe in place for it to work to win 10 or 11 games and get into the playoffs.
And that's why you went and got Aaron Rodgers and to go out and dominate.

Speaker 2 And first of all, like I would say this, who cares what week it is in the NFL season?

Speaker 2 If you're a Jets fan and if you're your dad or you're you or you're anyone that is sentient beyond the age of six or seven, New England has been like a Russian government over your life for essentially since you were in high school.

Speaker 2 And so I don't really care about what week it is. This matters on that level for a Jets fan.

Speaker 2 The Patriots were frisky. They were running the ball well.
They were playing good defense. Had they come in and kept this tight till the end, and Aaron Rodgers was suppressed and played

Speaker 2 B-minus football, we'd be left with questions. We were left with very few questions based off this game, what kind of quarterback he can be physically.
He looked really dialed in.

Speaker 2 He looked accurate, and he is the centerpiece. He is the son to the entire solar system of this New York Jets organization.

Speaker 1 I mean, look at Alan Lazard. He's a perfect example.
Lazard, who signed a four-year, $44 million contract with the team last year because he was Rodgers' boy in Green Bay.

Speaker 1 Rodgers goes out after four plays, and Lazard is a disaster last season, a total non-factor. It just feels like they are stuck without him, with him on the roster now.

Speaker 1 But now Rodgers is back, and now Lazard has three touchdowns in three games and is exactly what they were paying him to be, which is second banana to Garrett Wilson, and that will work.

Speaker 1 Tyler Conklin, also another guy, invisible last year when Rodgers went down. All of a sudden, Tyler Conklin is making plays as a tight end.
Like I said, Wilson

Speaker 1 hasn't even locked in yet, but Garrett Wilson and Aaron Rodgers are going to turn into a big thing by the end of the season if they both stay healthy. And then the running back setup is nice.

Speaker 1 Brees Hall still hasn't really clicked in. But with Brayden Allen, who is

Speaker 1 20 years old, literally half the age of

Speaker 1 Rodgers, that's a good combo in the backfield.

Speaker 1 I was trying to figure out what the Allen comp was.

Speaker 1 As an old head, it finally clicked. Do you remember Johnny Johnson, former Cardinals running back, and Jets running back?

Speaker 1 The big, almost like, you know, bigger than you need to be as a running back, but a beast and hard to bring down, but sneaky fast. That's the complement to Brees Hall.

Speaker 1 So they really have a nucleus and they have a quarterback who can make the most of it. Let's take a break here, Mark.

Speaker 1 We'll come right back and then we'll talk about the Patriots side of things and then we'll sign off.

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Look at what Mark said. Everything Mark said at the top, double down, right up your butt.

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Speaker 2 Well, F me.

Speaker 1 All right, Mark. We don't need that.

Speaker 2 That was not in live time, but I agree with the sentiment.

Speaker 1 All right, listen, not a good night for the Patriots.

Speaker 1 A lot of kind of hope, perhaps hope that wasn't fully realistic, generated over the first two weeks with nearly win one game against Cincinnati and nearly winning week two. This game,

Speaker 1 they were thoroughly outplayed over match from the opening kickoff. Time of possession mark in this game is 40 to 20 minutes-wise.

Speaker 1 And the deeper you look, the Patriots had 40 yards of offense in the first half. They were outgained by 212 yards in the first 30 minutes.

Speaker 1 They had four first downs in the first half, the fewest a franchise has had in a half since 2000. And Drake May shows up late in this game.
It's total garbage time. He makes a couple of plays.

Speaker 1 And this is the type of game, Mark, where all of a sudden it shifts in my mind about the Patriots now, which is it goes from, oh, could this be a team that, and I'm not totally counting them out, but I think this was a wake-up call in a lot of ways in terms of reality.

Speaker 1 Is Drake May closer around the Ben than we realize?

Speaker 2 I think he is, but I think, you know, when you make these decisions, you've got to try to put him into a good position.

Speaker 2 They go to San Francisco next week, and then they go, they play the game.

Speaker 1 That's a Jake Brisket game all the way.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 2 I think you stick with Jake Brisket because,

Speaker 2 first of all, every coach that's coached him is like he's one of the best locker room guys around. And we know what the Patriots are.
They've kind of just got to survive this season.

Speaker 2 They're going to get a top 10 pick again. I don't push Drake May.
There's not a lot to learn by pushing Drake May into the lineup right now.

Speaker 2 I think kind of what they're built around is we want to be a reliable running team. You lose Ramondre Stevenson early in this game.
He's not in there

Speaker 2 for the majority of the game. And they are not able to stop New York at all on defense.

Speaker 2 And so I think it's like you're going to get these games, but I would not like make a make a jarring move at quarterback. It just feels like a dangerous way.

Speaker 2 They could be the team that says, look, there's really no reason to stick our rookie quarterback in there right now and ruin him. Like we're seeing rookie quarterbacks really suffer

Speaker 2 across the league. It's like, there's no reason for them to do that.
So I think there's no, like, if anything, you could do it mid-season.

Speaker 2 They don't have a buy till week 14, but like in general, I would wait another month or so before you make that move. I don't know about you.
Like, I just don't see.

Speaker 2 Typically, I'm like, put these guys in and see what happens. I don't think that with Lou Drake.

Speaker 1 Here's what I think would be the decision internally, because if you think he can handle it, if you think he's ready for it, you might as well put him in and use this as a development year.

Speaker 1 But I think you only do that if you're confident that the offensive line can protect him.

Speaker 1 And what we saw tonight makes me think that you're going to want to hold off on that until you feel confident enough that he's not going to get absolutely plastered the way Bryce Young or what we're seeing with Caleb Williams in Chicago is right now.

Speaker 1 They have the benefit, New England. They are not a contender of

Speaker 1 what's the right way to do this.

Speaker 1 But also, you don't want to wait too long because it's as Bill Belichick said

Speaker 1 famously, or Bill Parcells, I should say, said famously, in some ways, Jake Brisket's a progress stopper. It's like at some point he's got to move out of the way so you could develop this kid.

Speaker 1 I mean, because look, we could talk about how you want to go slow and take it easy, but for every Jordan Love, there's also the reality of what the NFL is now.

Speaker 1 And look at Bryce Young, who, after two games in his second year, we don't know if he's ever going to play for the team that took him number one overall. So change happens fast in the NFL.

Speaker 1 And I just, I wouldn't be stunned if they get hammered in San Francisco, if he's on the field at home against the Dolphins in week five. That wouldn't stun me either.

Speaker 1 It'll be very interesting around in terms of what's like the big story around the Patriots. It's how Drake,

Speaker 1 how Drake is deployed by this team and who's making the decision, whether it's Mayo or Kraft or Kraft's son, like

Speaker 1 who's involved with, you know, who ultimately

Speaker 1 got big issues.

Speaker 2 If Kraft's son's deciding when to put the quarterback in, I mean, although that wouldn't surprise me, to be honest.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 I would imagine Elliot Wolfe will have a role in that as well.

Speaker 1 But I don't know. For some reason, maybe this is just...

Speaker 1 I just still wonder about the power structure in New England after Tom Brady and Bill Belichick are gone. Anyway, any other thoughts on the Patriots side of things,

Speaker 1 Mark? And the other thing is, like I said, the Jets don't blitz a lot. The Jets blitzed on 33.3%

Speaker 1 of Brissett's drop backs today. So that was a tendency that they obviously said, we don't think the Pats are ready to handle bringing the house at this veteran quarterback.

Speaker 1 And it absolutely proved to be true. So shout out to Sala and Ulbrick, and other teams are going to continue to go after that.
So it makes sense, too, right?

Speaker 1 If you think you could overwhelm that offensive line, you know, they don't have guys, unless you want to target Hunter Henry 24 times a game, like they don't have guys that are going to be able to spring open unless you could really be a genius schemer.

Speaker 1 And I don't know if that's what the Pats have on their staff right now.

Speaker 2 No, it was, I think it was 14 first downs to one first down at one point. And when that happens in the NFL, you know that you've got fundamental issues on one side of the ball.

Speaker 2 And like the Jets, to me,

Speaker 2 tonight, they're kind of like if you were dating a girl in your younger days and she went into a coma

Speaker 2 and you kind of like started to move on from the concept of what they could be, but then she wakes up from the coma and she's kind of fun.

Speaker 2 You remember that she's fun and she remembers you first of all. Like a lot of times you won't remember.

Speaker 1 Is it one of those situations where the person wakes up from the coma and they're a different person or is she

Speaker 2 who she was before the I think if I went into a coma if I went into a coma like if I woke up, I could be like, I could choose to pretend I don't remember certain people

Speaker 2 to kind of reset the board and have them out of my life. But in this case, the girl remembers you, and she's fun, and she's still funny.

Speaker 2 That's the Jets to me. Like, what we thought they were a year ago.
They've been in a coma for a year. They wake up.
The Patriots are the victim this evening of that entire scenario. And

Speaker 2 it's a great thing. You've got your girlfriend back.

Speaker 2 She's lively. She's out of the hospital.
And she's back holding your hand. hand, and you can buy her flowers and take her out for ice cream to send that

Speaker 1 a little bit further. I mean, if we're going to talk comas and like Jets fans waiting for the girl to wake up and be pretty and fun again, it would be probably closer to the 1990

Speaker 1 Steven Seagal film Hard to Kill, where the coma went eight years. But in this case, it's 13 years.

Speaker 1 And here's the thing.

Speaker 2 Here's your in your 50s. Like, we've got to get the coma out of the way for you specifically and your dad, by the way.

Speaker 1 But here's the thing, yeah mark mason storm woke up from that coma after eight years

Speaker 1 started doing his jiu-jitsu training yep by the end of the movie he'd killed 700 bad guys and gotten revenge we're back we're back are the jets entering their mason storm era after 13 years in a coma we're gonna find out and that's there's a there's a a huge vast there's a highway in front of jets fans right now and it could go anywhere and that it's been a long time since it felt like that highway could be going somewhere exciting and fun.

Speaker 1 And I'm not even talking about the Super Bowl, although I did pick them to win the Super Bowl. I'm just saying a fun three or four months.

Speaker 1 There could be downs, there could be ups in this highway, but just where something,

Speaker 1 like you get something out of this.

Speaker 1 It's not supposed to be all shit. It's supposed to be a combination of the fun stuff.
And then you eat a little shit.

Speaker 1 And eating a little shit's not the worst thing because that makes the fun stuff more enjoyable. We all like

Speaker 1 when you only get fed shit, and it goes on for as long as you can remember. It takes me back into my 20s.
I've been eating this shit.

Speaker 1 It's so nice to feel like, all right, let's give it, let's shovel this out to somebody else.

Speaker 1 Hey, you Patriot fan? Here, take some of this. How does it taste?

Speaker 2 This went to an odd place, but I enjoy where it went. I think that's

Speaker 2 delicacies.

Speaker 1 It's a strange time. Last thought.

Speaker 1 My eldest son, Jack, came up to me on the couch at the end of the game and he said, Hey, dad, can I wear my Aaron Rogers jersey to school tomorrow?

Speaker 2 Yes, you can and go kick people's ass. Like, just walk through.

Speaker 1 What grade is he in? He is in fourth grade.

Speaker 2 You just walk through the fourth grade classrooms, just like kicking and punching and just being like, I'm here now.

Speaker 1 He got, I don't want him to do that, Mark. I want him to be, you know, civil and respectable.
But that was a jersey he got a couple months before last season kicked off, and that has sit in the closet

Speaker 1 for that entire time. That's meaningful.
Like, Jets fans can be proud when they get up tomorrow, and the kids can be proud to go into their schools and wear jet green.

Speaker 1 And guys like idiots like me can bloviate on a podcast about like how there's a fucking wide open highway because this is

Speaker 1 new and exciting, and this is what sports is all about, hope. Because hope is a good thing, maybe the best thing.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 Here we go.

Speaker 2 I am doing excellent. It is still the same night.
We are still reporting and doing a show.

Speaker 2 I did not say that. I mean, not now.

Speaker 1 Tomorrow morning, when everybody wakes up, if you are a member of patreon.com slash heed the call, you will have the draft of week three waiting for you with Dan, Mark, Justin, Connor.

Speaker 1 We had a lot of fun doing it. That's not even the only new content over on the Patreon.
You also have a new episode of the Throwback Podcast where Bob and I dug into the 2009 VMAs, which were

Speaker 1 wild

Speaker 1 and a great time capsule.

Speaker 1 Yes, that's the Kanye Taylor VMAs, but all sorts of stuff cooking.

Speaker 1 That's like at the end of the MTV's real run as the Zeitgeist Divining generation of

Speaker 1 or generator of youth content, driving youth content. Just a very interesting era.
So check that out if that's something that is even remotely interesting to you. And then anything else, Justin?

Speaker 1 Nope, Dan. I think you've got it all.
Beautiful. Thank you to everybody for listening.

Speaker 1 And we will be back, of course, the next time you hear from us on Heed the Call will be the flagship program where we break down every game that we previewed earlier today with Jordan and Money Mike Dugar.

Speaker 1 Until then, do what you must. Heed the Call.

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