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Speaker 6 Just a complete win, team win.

Speaker 6 You know, we knew it was going to be a dog fight coming in here.

Speaker 6 You know, at halftime, we've been in that situation so much that at halftime, we weren't happy. We're more so like, make sure we prepare for the second half.

Speaker 6 And, you know, I thought we did a good job, came out and scored.

Speaker 6 You know what I mean? And then our defense kind of took over the game at the end. You know, just so happy for this team, proud of this team.

Speaker 1 You know, obviously, big win on the road, and we needed it back.

Speaker 1 oh they did need it bad

Speaker 1 the arizona cardinals go into big d

Speaker 1 and shut jarra's big mouth at least for one night

Speaker 1 27 to 17 a really complete effort for arizona ending a five-game losing streak and

Speaker 1 really muting any optimism

Speaker 1 out of

Speaker 1 the headquarters of America's team. Dan Hans is here with Mark Sessler, Justin Graver on the ones and twos.
It's the Monday night show. It's the Monday night football recap.

Speaker 1 It's the power rankings episode. It's the news rundown.
It's everything, Mark, anybody could ever want from a football program at this moment, right here, right now.

Speaker 2 It is.

Speaker 2 And especially if you're a Cardinals fan, it's the right here and right now that you've been waiting for because as someone who's talked this team up for years on end to only failed results, this was the game that kind of looked like what you were hoping they could be.

Speaker 2 It leaves you with a couple impressions because number one, you get

Speaker 2 an incredible first half from Marvin Harrison Jr. And it was like, cool, we've been waiting for that.
The defense showed up. We've been waiting for that, Jonathan Gannon's defense.

Speaker 2 and you got good quarterback play from Jacoby Brissette, which leaves me, Dan, with a question. It's like, ooh,

Speaker 2 you know, it's the Arizona Cardinals, and it's not the biggest thing on the planet. But, like,

Speaker 1 I can't be done. Layout for the Jake Brisket drop there.
That was a big night for Jake.

Speaker 2 It was a huge night for him. And we've, if we want to play that again, I can.

Speaker 1 Yeah, let's lay out. Let's lay out for the brisket drop, our friend Frags

Speaker 1 with the Fox.

Speaker 3 Ooh, slice me off a piece of that Jake Brisket.

Speaker 1 She recorded that like 15 years ago, by the way.

Speaker 2 It was about 15 years ago. It was.
Go on, Mark. No, and we believed in him then.
But it's,

Speaker 2 you know, everywhere he goes, they mentioned that he, his last, like, he had been on the Browns four teams ago.

Speaker 2 And I remember when he was on Cleveland, that like Kevin Stefansky called him the best teammate in the locker room. And everywhere he goes, people seem to feel that way about him.

Speaker 2 And I just wonder if it raises a question if you're the Arizona Cardinals. Like, why are we with Kyler Murray seems done after this season.

Speaker 2 And not to be an alarmist, but it's like, do you just keep rolling with Jacoby Brissette? Because he seems as capable, functional, and connected with the rest of the pieces of this offense.

Speaker 2 Like, I wouldn't change anything, I keep going.

Speaker 1 Well, let me ask you this, Mark.

Speaker 1 If you're Jonathan Gannon, do you like being employed as a head coach in the NFL or do you not like being employed as a head coach in the NFL?

Speaker 2 I would like to be.

Speaker 1 So, the only decision is to keep Jacoby Brissette in the starting lineup. I mean,

Speaker 1 there are complications to this situation.

Speaker 1 Two complications. Kyler Murray's draft pedigree, a number one overall pick, and his contract, which when he signed it was, you know, put him in the upper stratosphere for quarterbacks in football.

Speaker 1 And he only signed it a couple of years ago. And yet it is.

Speaker 1 Exceedingly clear, I think, to anybody who watches the Cardinals that this was an organization stuck in the mud with Murray as the ostensible leader

Speaker 1 and this injury that he suffered that opened the door up for Jake Briskett, which we all know that Jacoby Brissette has limitations, but he's always, always, and the reason why we cut that drop all those years ago on ATN was because he was always capable and he was always prepared and he would always give you a steady, workmanlike, professional effort.

Speaker 1 And then you have a situation like this where

Speaker 1 he is, it's not totally dissimilar to the Flacco situation in Cincinnati right now, right?

Speaker 1 Where it's like you take a veteran quarterback who's always kind of drifted in and out of the shadows, you put him with a team that has some playmakers that's underachieving, and you now all of a sudden have a quarterback who knows how to run an offense and has the respect of the locker room.

Speaker 1 And all of a sudden,

Speaker 1 Marvin Harrison Sr., a junior is being targeted like he should be. And Trey McBride is scoring touchdowns for the first time ever.

Speaker 1 And when those are the two most important players on the offense and now they're thriving, you don't take the quarterback out that's allowing it to happen. Like it seems like a no-brainer.

Speaker 1 And we were texting with Zumwalt a little bit during the game. I feel like the only way Kyler Murray is in the lineup for the next Cardinals game is if Bidwill, the owner, comes down and says, no,

Speaker 1 play the guy that I'm paying. Because if this is about who makes the Cardinals a better team, I think Brisket has showed it the last few weeks.

Speaker 2 I think you're right. I think, but you mentioned it.
It's a complex decision because, like, from an organizational angle, it's a massive fork in the road if we bench Kyler Murray.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's weird that the trade deadline occurs tomorrow because it's not that there are, I can't, I even looked around. Like, is there any team that would even be interested in Kyler Murray?

Speaker 2 It's like, I couldn't find one. Like, I just couldn't find one that would make that decision right now.
So it's like, he's on your roster. You got to deal with this situation.

Speaker 2 He's probably not the easiest person to have in your quarterback room if if he's not the starter. But yeah, I think if you're Jonathan Gannon, like don't toy with what worked tonight.

Speaker 2 On the road, a big road victory. Again, they've lost like five straight before tonight by like 14 points or something.
They're close.

Speaker 2 I get that they're frustrating and annoying. And to you, and even when I entered the chat with Jason Zumwalt, he was very annoyed that I suggested that they were even.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 1 let's look at the

Speaker 1 exact text that you sent. Because I think

Speaker 1 as a non-Cardinals fan,

Speaker 1 there's a little bit of a mark exhaustion with his Cardinals takes. But for a Cardinals fan, it seems like downright, downright evil.
Let's be real. I think you said,

Speaker 1 here's the Mark Sessler text.

Speaker 1 There's actually more text than I realized. Oh, feelings for a certain NFL team forming again, I replied, emotionally abusive.

Speaker 1 This is exactly exactly the type of boyfriend or girlfriend that you need to avoid when you're in your 20s, and of our younger listeners. And then Zumwalt pipes in, I will effing kill you, please.

Speaker 1 Like, look, it's please, exclamation points, stop. Like, please stop.
Just let the Cardinals be, Mark.

Speaker 1 You've come and gone so many times that I don't think at a certain point, you walking in that door helps anyone but you. I think you just got to let the Cardinals live their life at this point.

Speaker 2 So I just got to stare at a text thread forming and bubbling and growing, and I'm not allowed to participate in it. That's how it works.
No,

Speaker 2 in my friend groups, I can't text. I must say nothing.

Speaker 1 You can acknowledge, I would imagine, that you've had a very come-and-go relationship with this Cardinals team where you get behind them, they burn you, you run away, they have a good game like tonight, all of a sudden you're right back in.

Speaker 1 There are people like this

Speaker 1 that

Speaker 1 you want to avoid when it comes to relationships. And I just don't think that's who you are, but I think with the Cardinals, it is who you are, if that makes sense.

Speaker 2 I think it's kind of like when

Speaker 1 you're a toxic figure.

Speaker 2 You go away to college and you come back and you have that first

Speaker 2 party with all the people from your high school class. And you just have the random hookup with someone that

Speaker 2 you kind of always thought it would happen, then it happens. And that was me and the Cardinals tonight.
We had a nice little night.

Speaker 1 No, that's not what this is at all.

Speaker 1 This would be you, um, you met the Cardinals at a bar, you knocked them up, and then they said they loved you, and then you moved across the country, and then they gave up the baby for adoption, and then you came back and you said, Maybe we can make this work.

Speaker 1 So they went and got the baby back, and then you said, Actually, never mind, and now the baby's lost again, and now you've come back again. It's like, hey, you single? Like, that's what this is.

Speaker 2 This is you know, the other thing in the screenshot, if you're watching on YouTube, the screenshot that that's your phone, obviously, that you screenshotted for Justin to look at.

Speaker 2 The photo of me, which is like 12 to 13 years old at this point.

Speaker 1 It's an iconic photo of you. Is a disaster.
Let's get the blown-up version of it.

Speaker 2 It was late at night, and it was, we went to one of our old taverns, and I look like a complete and total disaster.

Speaker 1 That is at the famous

Speaker 1 Culver City

Speaker 1 hole in the wall, Lost and Found.

Speaker 1 And if anyone's been there,

Speaker 1 yes, many are lost. Not many are found, lost and found.

Speaker 1 Although it does promote itself as dinner and dancing, I think, or drinks and dancing.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think it's, yeah, like, I don't, I don't

Speaker 2 recall any dinners happening there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's no, there's no dinners and there's no dancing. But that was a late night, and it's a posed in front of a sensual

Speaker 1 rendering of a nude woman from... it looks like the previous century, which I said, this is a nice shot to get, you know, Mark in front of.
Now,

Speaker 1 are there there elements of the night that might have been hazy for the subject of the photo? Yes, but it was a great photo, and I'll hunt it down for the audience to fully enjoy it.

Speaker 2 I don't need the audience to see a

Speaker 1 blocking it up.

Speaker 2 It's too late now. I don't need them to see a zoomed-in portion of it.

Speaker 1 Do we want to talk about Jara, by the way? So good job by the Cardinals, Mark. Just let them move on with their lives

Speaker 1 and leave Jake Brisket in the lineup and keep throwing the ball to Marvin Harrison Jr.

Speaker 1 And I even like the running back who dropped the ball.

Speaker 1 He had a nice game and had a heady play where he slid down

Speaker 1 out of bounds there or inbounds to keep the clock running. So that was nice, Mark.

Speaker 1 Mercado, like it was just, and the pass rush getting home and ending the game with the, with the sacks and the fumbles and the interceptions. Great night for the Cardinals.
Okay.

Speaker 1 And let's see if they can build on it. They're three and five.
The Cowboys are unbelievable. I mean, what.

Speaker 1 And I locked up the Cowboys, by the way. And it's like,

Speaker 1 I remember Bill Simmons used to have, or he still has it, I guess. He had his gambling manifesto, and he would add things to it to, you know, to help him with his wagers or whatever.

Speaker 1 And I think with the locks, if there was a locks manifesto,

Speaker 1 I think in general, never lock the Dallas Cowboys. It could be one, a blanket one, but never lock a team with a shithouse defense.
Like a team that has a truly bad defense.

Speaker 1 We're talking bottom of the league, arguably worst defense in the league, if not bottom three.

Speaker 1 These nights can always happen where the defense can't get a stop, and then you're putting a lot of pressure on the offense to carry the day.

Speaker 1 And if the offense isn't having their best day and they weren't in this game,

Speaker 1 then the game can get away from you. So the fact that this game is 27-17 doesn't even truly tell the story of how badly the Cardinals outplayed this Cowboys team at home in a big game with

Speaker 1 playoff ramifications. There was a block punt for a touchdown for the Cowboys in the second quarter.
If you take that out of the game, this is a borderline blowout.

Speaker 1 So, you know, I've been positive about Dallas most of the season. I've never said that I thought they were a good team, but I thought they were a very entertaining team.
This is the game that's more

Speaker 1 representative of the Cowboys' experience that's become tiresome, I imagine, not just to us in the national world, but if you're a Cowboys fan, because there's the Jerry Jones side of it, too.

Speaker 1 Jerry Jones does media before before this game. Was it with Stephen A.
Smith?

Speaker 2 Justin?

Speaker 7 The Stephen A. Smith show on Sirius XM recorded live in front of an audience in Dallas.
Michael Irvin and Demarcus Ware were also there.

Speaker 1 So here's the thing, Mark, and this is what I want to tee it up like this because like

Speaker 1 Jerry

Speaker 1 assumed they were going to win tonight.

Speaker 1 Jarrah always thinks the Cowboys are going to win.

Speaker 1 And in Jara's mind, as he's doing this interview, when he's talking about the trade deadline and he's being cute

Speaker 1 in Jarrah ways and winking and having fun with it, he's thinking, we're going to win a game tonight. We're going to be 4-4.

Speaker 1 Trade deadline, we're going to have something lined up and everyone's going to be into the Cowboys. But it doesn't quite work when you get your ass kicked that night.

Speaker 1 But this is what Jerry sounded like before the game, talking about a potential big move for the Cowboys ahead of the trade deadline.

Speaker 1 trade deadline tomorrow at four o'clock yes it is right and so uh time is nigh a lot of action going on right now in front in terms of trading and uh we certainly have made a trade and we may make a couple of more trades before that deadline so you may make a couple of trades before the trade deadline well we may we may we've made one all right you've made one we made

Speaker 1 we possibly could make two more and i'm gonna wait and let you read about that

Speaker 1 when we send the papers in tomorrow okay

Speaker 1 wait justin did you even add the tumbler in?

Speaker 1 He literally sounds three sheets to the wind. We made

Speaker 1 trades already. We made a trade.
Another one's coming. Two more coming.
Like, you're the owner of the NFL Cowboys. Mark, that's a wild, wild

Speaker 1 way to go into this game, but it's the idea of the Cowboys being more flash than substance in a nutshell. That and then this game.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's, you're you're right. He thought, I think he thought tonight would be a towering, kind of crowning home win

Speaker 2 in a strange cowboy season. He's a man of the stage.

Speaker 2 He's almost like a student of like Stella Adler at this point, um, with what he's able to pull off with the voices, the caricature, um, the promises, and the buffoonery.

Speaker 2 And the circus, the circus act, it's all, it's all rolled into one. Um, and then they go get their

Speaker 2 behinds kicked, like in a massive way, by a team that no one regards as special.

Speaker 2 That's the Cowboys' experience. It is

Speaker 2 stage, it's fluff, it's very little substance. And even though you have a quarterback who is an MVP candidate, it all falls apart in one night.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and speaking of more flesh than substance,

Speaker 1 Jarrah also acknowledged his need

Speaker 1 and adoration of the spotlight in that same interview. The Dallas Cowboys probably have the kind of interest that we have

Speaker 1 in no small part because we stay out front and we stay controversial.

Speaker 1 When it gets slow, I stir that shit up.

Speaker 1 Fact. Literally, David says.
Fact.

Speaker 1 Fact.

Speaker 1 Does that sound like anybody I know?

Speaker 1 Sound a little familiar. Sound a little familiar.
My point.

Speaker 1 So in other words, you'll love you or you'll hate you, but you'll never be bored with it. Well, my point is, I just want to be reveling.
I just want you to be over here looking at us.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 if there is a quote that encapsulates the problem with the Dallas Cowboys, it's right there.

Speaker 1 In fact, if I would have heard this quote, I would have done everything in my power to try to switch my lock away from the Cowboys because it seemed faded at that point what was going to happen.

Speaker 1 And it's funny, like

Speaker 1 they talked about those quotes to Stephen A. Smith.
And you see Stephen A. Smith sitting with Jerry at one point in the booth, and then they go down two scores, and Jerry's like, or Stephen A.

Speaker 1 Smith's like, bro, I'm out of here.

Speaker 2 Minutes into the game or something.

Speaker 1 And then when Joe Buck teases the, or notes

Speaker 1 what he said about the trades that have been made and more that will be coming, being announced tomorrow, Troy Aikman, always notable when Troy. talks tough about the Cowboys, added this little

Speaker 1 aside.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he may want to cancel that trade. I don't think one player from what I've seen tonight is going to make a difference for this group.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean,

Speaker 1 the defense is non-competitive in this game, Mark. And

Speaker 1 like the

Speaker 1 trade, obviously, of Micah Parsons, we'll see the big picture of it. But in the here and now, they're non-competitive.

Speaker 1 And going to find a lesser version of Micah Parsons or adding somebody to the secondary after Deron Bland got absolutely humiliated by Marvin Harrison Jr.

Speaker 1 all game, but especially on that goal line touchdown where I don't think I've ever seen a guy get juked like that.

Speaker 1 This team has so many problems that you just have to, at a certain point, make the smart move for the future. But it sounds like Jarrah has no intention of doing that.

Speaker 1 It's a tricky time in Dallas.

Speaker 2 And as Justin pointed out to us right here in our chat, that like,

Speaker 2 You know, Jerry Jones spent a lot of that interview trying to defend the micah trade as well, and he's been spending months doing that.

Speaker 2 And like, whether that was a win or a loss for the Cowboys, we'll see down the road, depending on who they draft and what the draft picks lead to. But it's just a bad football team.

Speaker 2 It's just a very average football team that at best has dipped into being a fun watch on offense. But they're completely faulty, and we see the end line at some point here.

Speaker 2 And it's another year of Jerry Jones talking more than producing. And at some point, like to me, I guess I can be entertained by that.

Speaker 2 But I don't think it's entertaining

Speaker 2 in terms of the next time we see a Dallas Cowboys five-part documentary about what? What is it about now? There's no story right now.

Speaker 2 This is a crumbling ship and a poorly run organization in terms of being a real factor in the NFC.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's almost like Nate Bargazzi, the comedian, has a really good

Speaker 1 bit in one of his stand-up specials where he talks about there's a point when you,

Speaker 1 as a child or whatever, or as a full-grown adult,

Speaker 1 you grow up with your parents raising you, and then you hit a stage where all of a sudden you are looking after your parents, right? And they're no longer in charge.

Speaker 1 And he tells a story of like him and his dad went to like a Home Depot and they park the car. Nate's driving, he parks the car.
They get out and start walking towards the Home Depot.

Speaker 1 And he looks back, and

Speaker 1 dad didn't close the passenger door when he got out. And he's like, yep, dad can't be in charge no more.
That's how I feel about Jerry. Jerry's leaving the door open.

Speaker 1 The Cadillac door has swung wide open. He's wandering around.
There's a jingle jangle in his tumbler. And the Cowboys might not be a serious contender until he's no longer at the helm.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Like, it's not.

Speaker 1 We don't mean to just dwell on Jerry Jones on this night of a Cowboys loss, but it did feel particularly

Speaker 1 appropriate to tie together on a night like tonight with the things he says and the effort of the team.

Speaker 2 He forces us to do that because he is unwilling to get out of the spotlight. There aren't many owners in sports

Speaker 2 you could even compare to him. Like, it's just, it is, it is a narcissistic, attention-seeking,

Speaker 2 spotlight-needing individual who doesn't understand that he's becoming more and more irrelevant in terms of production.

Speaker 1 I like Admin Around still, though. But if I was a Cowboys fan, as a podcast host, love him.
Right. If I was a Cowboys fan, I probably wouldn't feel the same way.
And yes,

Speaker 1 I'm learning my manifesto, my Locke's manifesto.

Speaker 1 Never get behind a team with a truly terrible defense because games like this happen. Cowboys are going to play more fun games this year, by the way.

Speaker 1 We could say about, oh, they're crumbling and all this.

Speaker 1 I don't think the Cowboys are now going to lose out.

Speaker 1 I think they'll continue to be a bit of a roller coaster when they have those really good offensive days and the defense played a little better than it did tonight.

Speaker 1 And I think they're going to hang around in this race. I do still think, I still think they're going to win around eight or nine games potentially here.
But that's not good enough.

Speaker 1 Like, they're, I agree with you.

Speaker 1 I don't think they're. I'm not saying they're like a

Speaker 2 it, it just feels a little circusy and a little needless, but you're right. They're an eight-win, nine-win team, seven-win team, one of those things.

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Speaker 1 it always strikes me as a little bit odd, speaking of the Monday Night Football coverage.

Speaker 1 Like, what figures that have a checkered past

Speaker 1 are kind of eradicated and are no longer discussed or seen as

Speaker 1 black sheep in terms of conversation. And then who

Speaker 1 kind kind of avoids it. Like Marvin Harrison Sr.
at one point there is a

Speaker 1 there is a

Speaker 1 an extended conversation around Marvin Harrison Jr. and Marvin Harrison Sr.
and senior. Oh,

Speaker 1 I bet senior's watching this game. Oh, he's enjoying this game.

Speaker 1 And they talk about the senior quotes recently in a ESBN profile where he

Speaker 1 where he said, I wouldn't be in Canton if I was playing on this Cardinals team. And I'm like, does anybody remember what happened with Marvin Harrison Sr.

Speaker 1 involving a bar that he owned and a shooting that potentially connected to him, although it was never proven?

Speaker 1 And then a witness from that shooting ending up dead nearby from one of his establishments. And again, that one being a little murky.
Those couldn't have been connected to him.

Speaker 1 And it was never connected to him or legally.

Speaker 1 He never was charged or

Speaker 1 prosecuted. And then they pulled him over for a traffic stop and they found a gun.
And the gun maybe had something to do with the cases.

Speaker 1 And there was a lot of,

Speaker 1 I don't mean to use the, you know, the punny, a lot of smoke right here, around, around, a lot of gun smoke around Marvin Harrison Sr.

Speaker 1 But I guess, I guess he's not sitting in prison, so we kind of just brushed it all off. But that was a pretty harrowing do a little deep dive on Marvin Harrison's legal issues.

Speaker 1 And I don't know, he's not like the warmest figure for me to talk like the father-son angle on a Monday night football game.

Speaker 2 I guess

Speaker 2 I think you're right.

Speaker 2 They're counting on the fact that most people won't do that deep dive or know what you know about that or forget about that just because

Speaker 2 it's from a long time ago. I mean, I spent 20 years watching Ray Lewis being like, okay,

Speaker 1 cool, Ray Lewis.

Speaker 2 I wonder what you got up to on that little night where everything was apparently just brushed under the rug because you're Ray Lewis. It's like,

Speaker 2 I don't know. Why is it picking? Why is it,

Speaker 2 how do we decide who we drop the hammer on here? Apparently, it's not these players.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And just, and again, to be clear, Harrison Sr.
was never prosecuted for any of this stuff, but it was just a lot around him. In April 2008, Harrison Sr.

Speaker 1 was implicated in a Philadelphia car wash altercation where he allegedly fired multiple shots, wounding the primary victim and a bystander.

Speaker 1 No charges were filed after an investigation, though a key witness was fatally shot near Harrison's bar in July 2009. Like crazy stuff.
Crazy stuff.

Speaker 1 Also crazy. Trade deadline.
Jara talked about it. Now we're going to talk about it.
In fact, we're going to do a live stream

Speaker 1 tomorrow, Tuesday,

Speaker 1 right as the

Speaker 1 we're going to do a live stream.

Speaker 1 We're going to do a live stream.

Speaker 1 Oh, Christ.

Speaker 1 Mark.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 The producer is incorrigible.

Speaker 2 And we've got 12 boys playing trumpet

Speaker 2 for this show.

Speaker 1 Young boys.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Cherubik, angels.

Speaker 1 We will be doing a live stream on Tuesday on YouTube at the trade deadline, which is 4 p.m. Eastern, 1 p.m.
Pacific, a different time if you're overseas that you could figure out.

Speaker 1 But we'd love for you to join us as well.

Speaker 1 Justin, you want to find out what time it is in, let's say, London at exactly 4 p.m. Eastern?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 I just got some breaking news alert on my phone about Jerry Jones, and I thought it would be interesting.

Speaker 1 Okay, we'll get to that. But just first, find out the London thing.

Speaker 1 But anyway, live stream. We're going to jump on.
It's going to be me, Mark Connor,

Speaker 1 Justin, maybe a guest or two, depending on anything big time goes on. And we'll...
We'll give you a little

Speaker 1 update on everything that happened on trade deadline Tuesday. It's 9 p.m.
in London.

Speaker 1 And then we'll have some more fun. We'll do a nice full show tomorrow, Tuesday.
So you'll get your second show of the week a little earlier than usual. And

Speaker 1 we hope you're there with us. Get involved in the chat.
Maybe we'll find a way to involve people in a live capacity. Mark, what do you think about that idea?

Speaker 2 I think it's a great idea. We are news people at heart.
We were news editors and writers before we started to do this. And if you agree, smash that like button.

Speaker 2 I think that's where you were trying to get me to go at some point.

Speaker 1 Sassy, look at you.

Speaker 1 Subscribe.

Speaker 1 We're trying to hit that 26.5 marker as well. So

Speaker 1 here is.

Speaker 1 Justin, you want to share the update that you've

Speaker 1 got. Breaking news.

Speaker 1 I don't know how much more Jerry Jones our audience needs to hear in this particular episode, but we're going to trust your news instinct,

Speaker 1 The Grave Digger.

Speaker 7 It's just a funny update to the conversation we just had. You know, because every owner does like a post-game media scratch.
Oh, no, wait, that's just Jerry Jones.

Speaker 7 Right. Jerry Jones said the trade he referred to pre-game has not been finalized, and he still has a decision to make.

Speaker 7 He indicated he was more likely than not to complete the transaction, but is now deciding because

Speaker 7 the game went not to his liking if he's actually going to do it.

Speaker 1 Absurd.

Speaker 1 Wait, he indicated he was more likely than not to complete the transaction. He said it.
This is from Ed Werder.

Speaker 1 He said it couldn't be done today, and both sides agreed not to speak publicly about it in detail. I would think the other team wasn't expecting you to go on the radio and say a deal was already done.

Speaker 1 Just, that's a guess.

Speaker 1 Just a total guess. And if I'm the other team, I might be like, you know what? I need you to throw in an extra second-round pick now.
Right.

Speaker 1 You know, otherwise, you're going to have to explain why there was no trade. There's nothing going on right now in terms of trading.
And we certainly have made a trade. Jerry, shut up.

Speaker 2 We certainly have made a trade.

Speaker 1 So unnecessary.

Speaker 1 What are you doing, buddy?

Speaker 2 I like it more and more by the minute, though.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. All right, let's do some news.

Speaker 1 Can you play that again?

Speaker 1 I mean, they have to start slapping it like a TV M mature rating on these Romo Patrick Mahomes Chiefs games.

Speaker 1 They're hypersexual.

Speaker 2 That made me uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 Super carnal. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's like in 1994,

Speaker 1 you know, 1 a.m.,

Speaker 1 you flip on Cinemax and, you know, body of evidence starring Madonna's on. Like, it's like, you know, you're in for a different type of night.

Speaker 1 And that's how I feel like now when I watch a Chiefs game that Romo's calling. It's like it's going to get,

Speaker 1 there's going to be some wet, you know, some hot wax being dripped on nipples. And it's Tony Romo's nipples.

Speaker 2 To say the least.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's not, it's, well, depending on your point of view, that's, that's, um,

Speaker 2 that's exactly what's going to happen to the nipples. So sure.

Speaker 1 oh

Speaker 1 all right plumber jaden daniels

Speaker 1 jaden daniels

Speaker 1 jacked up his elbow

Speaker 1 down 100 points on sunday night football late in the game we talked about it a little bit on sunday uh after it happened minutes after it happened and what we thought about it should he have been in the game should he have not been in the game um it's an easy thing to kill the head coach for um obviously, when something catastrophic happens.

Speaker 1 And we still don't know the extent of Daniel's injury. We know it's a dislocated elbow.

Speaker 1 We know it's something he's going to be missing at least the next Commanders game, but don't be surprised if his season's over. It has that type of range of outcomes.

Speaker 1 Anyway, Dan Quinn, to his credit, Quinn didn't run from this. He didn't hide from it.
He didn't get cantankerous with reporters about it.

Speaker 1 He owned it, that he struggles with the decision he made and what happened as a result.

Speaker 9 I know many of you have been asking about the thought process of Jaden being in the game in that situation. I get that.
I've been thinking about it honestly non-stop too. And

Speaker 9 for me, the answer is, man, I missed it. But I would, you know, I'll fill you in on my thought process.

Speaker 9 At the start of the fourth quarter, I guess it was probably like 12 and a half minutes left in the game. And that was going to be the last drive for a couple of guys, Jaden and Zach and Debo and LT.

Speaker 9 And so we weren't going to have any read-run plays and meaning no carries for the quarterback on a run. And honestly, man, that's where I missed it.
Of course, he could scramble. It's Jaden.

Speaker 9 It's what he's special at. And that is 100%.
That's on me.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 2 Dan Quinn, like, we've had the chance to meet him in person and stuff. And like, Dan Quinn is the opposite of some of the people we've discussed on this show tonight.
Like, he's a straight shooter.

Speaker 2 And I buy that, that they probably were going to yank players at some point.

Speaker 2 But I think it's just, it's a, it's just a problem of timing because what, you know, putting together a drive or two that was productive, that made their offense feel like they completed something would have been beneficial to them.

Speaker 2 But it's like, I'm not, I can't point the finger at Dan Quinn here. And I hope, I don't know why anyone would.
Like it just happened, right?

Speaker 2 Like this is, we're watching 14 to 15 people go down with grisly injuries per day. And this just occurred.
It wasn't Dan Quinn's like terrible decision. I just don't see it that way.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, it's, you could certainly make the the case that you should have been out of the game for sure.

Speaker 1 But Quinn said, I thought that was interesting what he said there.

Speaker 1 Like, they actually did change the playbook and they were taking out things that were going to put him in harm's way, but that didn't account for what if he leaves the pocket on his own.

Speaker 1 So, not that he was putting, throwing Daniels under the bus, but also, you know, maybe it's a teaching moment for Jaden Daniels, too.

Speaker 1 It's like, don't put yourselves in harm's way, protect yourself, especially in that situation when the game is lost. It's just a hard lesson for everyone involved.

Speaker 1 Speaking of difficult situations, Kevin Stefanski, he's starting to get into the danger zone, it feels like, as the Cleveland Browns head coach. What are one of the lever

Speaker 1 flips when a head coach is in trouble? You can fire a coordinator. You could shake up the staff.
You could bench a quarterback. You could also, if you're an offensive

Speaker 1 coach, you could hand over play calling duties.

Speaker 1 That's another move where you're just trying to mix things up and show that you're changing whether you're showing it to the team or showing it to the fans or the owner.

Speaker 1 Look, I'm trying different things. He hands over play calling duties to offensive

Speaker 1 coordinator Tommy Rees. Here's Stefanski on that decision.

Speaker 10 Other thing on play calling, I'm going to have Tommy call the plays on offense. These are things that I'm always looking at.

Speaker 10 What can we do better?

Speaker 10 I have a ton of trust and faith in Tommy. He's more than capable.
So excited for him. But bottom line is, we have to just get better collectively.

Speaker 1 And somewhat relatedly, is Dylan Gabriel's struggles as a rookie passer with Shaddor Sanders and Witness Protection somewhere on this roster with Deshaun Watson, wherever Deshaun Watson is.

Speaker 1 Joe Flacco is not here anymore because Stefanski or the Browns or someone with the Browns decided to trade Flacco in the division, and he's kicking monstrous amounts of ass for the Bengals, and he was asked about that as well.

Speaker 11 I understand what you have to defend your own roster. But when you see

Speaker 11 what Joe Flacco's doing down there in Cincinnati, even if you're not watching the game,

Speaker 11 throwing touchdown passes all over the field to Chase,

Speaker 11 what do you think?

Speaker 11 Come put those numbers up with the receivers you have here.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I don't really have a comment on Joe or any players on other teams, so I don't think it's appropriate.

Speaker 11 The results are so contrasting.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I understand the question, but I really don't have a comment.

Speaker 1 What do you take out of that, Mark?

Speaker 1 Um,

Speaker 2 I think

Speaker 2 you said it correctly that it feels like Stefansky, a two-time coach of the year,

Speaker 2 is finally being dipped into a territory where I'm not sure what the future is here. I see or feel or sense a genuine split between the coaching staff, or I would say Stefansky, and the front office.

Speaker 2 I don't think Stefanski wanted to trade Joe Flacco away at all. I don't think it was his decision.

Speaker 1 I mean, that answer seems to really indicate that. Like, I don't want to talk about that.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I think he's been hamstrung verbally dating back to the trade for Deshaun Watson, where he's sort of had, he's been a good company man. I think he's a good coach.

Speaker 2 This staff had Mike Vrabel on it a year ago.

Speaker 2 This team, and I get that we are in a room with Jets, Titans, and Browns fans. So

Speaker 2 we could play fiddles all night long about whose team is the bigger disaster.

Speaker 1 Sounds fun.

Speaker 2 The future is grim here. I don't know what the future is for Stefanski.
He gave up play calling a year ago to a different play caller. He's doing it again.
You start to run out of scapegoats.

Speaker 2 And this is a terrible football team.

Speaker 2 There's no vision here. And from every angle angle you look at, there's what's worse than no vision is there's very little hope.

Speaker 1 Doesn't it feel like too? Um,

Speaker 1 and when you're a fan of one of these teams, you could just like see it coming from a mile away that a year from now,

Speaker 1 you know, he'll be the head coach in Cincinnati or Las Vegas or,

Speaker 1 you know, name the city, right? Arizona, wherever. And that team will be thriving and he'll have a lot of wind on his back again.

Speaker 1 And everybody's going to say he's one of the sharpest offensive minds in the sport. And everyone will be laughing at the Browns.

Speaker 1 It's just like certain things with these type of teams, and there's only a few of them, and we root for two of them. Maybe the two worst when it comes to this, and the Titans maybe aren't far behind.

Speaker 7 I think it's happening with Mike Vrabel right now and the Titans, but yes, continue.

Speaker 2 There you go. You are correct.

Speaker 2 Like the, you could kind of just see it coming that he has a second act coming, not with the Browns, just like baker mayfield uh just like sam darnold in seattle just like this person that person and the next person mike vrabel in new england and you could just see it coming you know what it is too like it's not like oh it's a team it's just bad luck oh bad things happen to this team and it's inexplicable it is bad and shameful decisions They've made bad and shameful decisions, some of the worst decisions in pro football over the last 20 years.

Speaker 2 And it comes home to roost for each of these teams that do this, that fail to build talent and develop their own quarterbacks and their own players.

Speaker 2 And they go elsewhere and they thrive because where they were, Cleveland, New York, Tennessee,

Speaker 2 disaster zones.

Speaker 2 And I'm a little, I'm a little, it's at this point, you've got to watch and observe and discuss and talk about football with no regard for your own enjoyment from the team that you began following many years ago.

Speaker 2 None of that factors in. I will not enjoy my team, and I get it for years to come.

Speaker 1 It is like a crazy, crazy thing about,

Speaker 1 and again, here we're going to be comparing battle scars again, but like you've had a couple playoff teams since we started this job. Like

Speaker 1 since we started this podcast, the Jets have been never made the playoffs and almost in every season, except for one, their season was usually over by Halloween, right?

Speaker 1 And it's like, it's almost, it's weird to be doing our job as long as we've done it and feel like the team that you ostensibly

Speaker 1 got you into the sport that you cover for a living isn't really in the league. Like, that's how it feels.
It is a different sport watching these teams. Yes.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 In other news, you know,

Speaker 1 listen, they're the team of Heed the Call. We understand that.
Like, we support them wholeheartedly, the Denver Broncos.

Speaker 1 That said,

Speaker 1 Sean Payton being the face mark of this hypothetical team of HTC

Speaker 1 is problematic in that Sean Payton seems like a dick.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 when a head coach with this much ego

Speaker 1 and to his credit, he has a resume of success and

Speaker 1 it's helped feed that ego and made him feel bulletproof. And then you put him on a team that's seven and two, leading a team that's seven and two and is one six straight.

Speaker 1 And when he sees James Palmer during the summer, and James Palmer's on the show next week, by the way, can't wait.

Speaker 1 But when he sees James Palmer, he walks up to him with a big grin and he says, I love this team, Jamie.

Speaker 1 He's riding high, and that means watch out because if you say something or anything to him, he's liable to get on your ass, especially if you're a media member.

Speaker 1 So we've played some Peyton dissing the media already this season. And it happened again when a reporter named Luca Evans

Speaker 1 asked him a question that Sean Payton didn't want to hear.

Speaker 2 Luca Evans, the Denver Post?

Speaker 2 Yeah, Sean, just wanted to go back when you talked about the special teams issues and you were saying, you know, yesterday we had to, you know, we have to get that cleaned up or we'll find someone else that can do it.

Speaker 2 Are you referring to personnel there? Are you referring to coaching? You know, Evan, Evan.

Speaker 1 Evan, if you were paying attention, I'm referring to players that aren't on the field that need to be. All right.

Speaker 1 Coaching is outstanding. All right.
We'll get that cleaned up. My point is: there's 10 in the field and there's supposed to be 11.
All right.

Speaker 1 And that player that's supposed to be out there, I'll find someone else to do his job.

Speaker 1 Is that crystal clear?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
My name is Luca.

Speaker 1 Okay, perfect.

Speaker 1 Perfect. Okay, perfect.

Speaker 1 You know, I got

Speaker 1 love for

Speaker 1 Luca Evans,

Speaker 1 who, you know, had the guts to correct Sean Payton. And then for Sean Payton not to be like, oh, sorry about that.
You know, because

Speaker 1 you're just a football coach. You're not a god.
It doesn't really matter what you're talking about, just FYI.

Speaker 1 But for him to go, oh, okay, perfect. Perfect, perfect, perfect.

Speaker 2 I also liked the out of the gate, though, the Evan, Evan, Evan.

Speaker 1 There's some quad box material in this one, uh, Justin. Let's let's confer.

Speaker 2 How smarmy can one be?

Speaker 1 Just too much.

Speaker 1 And you know, Connor has said he's been sitting on an atomic bomb that he wants to share on the show.

Speaker 1 Um, and he said, We were as we were watching the game tonight, and he said, you know, one more thing has to happen, and he's going to let it all loose on the show.

Speaker 1 So, just let's all hold cross our fingers that whatever threshold uh Connor has deemed, whatever that line in the sand, that

Speaker 1 Sean crosses it soon because that will be great for our program.

Speaker 2 This is our Oppenheimer. Yes.

Speaker 1 All right, real quick, injury updates. Yes, Packers tight end Tucker Kraft did tour Terra's ACL

Speaker 1 in Sunday's loss to the Panthers. He was leading the Packers in receiving yards and touchdowns, says having a real breakout season, that sucks.

Speaker 1 And it's more bad news for a Green Bay team that seems a little bit off its center right now.

Speaker 1 Equally crushing news, maybe even more so for the Los Angeles Chargers, that ankle injury that Joe Alt suffered, not just a

Speaker 1 basic high ankle sprain. I'll see you in a few weeks.
No, his season's over. He needs surgery on that ankle.
So

Speaker 1 this Chargers team that went into 2025, the envy of the National Football League, to have Rashawn Slater on the left, to have Joe Alt on the right, arguably the best tackles at their respective positions in the whole league.

Speaker 1 And by November 3rd, both of them are ancient history and maybe with it, any hopes of the Chargers

Speaker 1 making a Super Bowl run. It's going to be really difficult without both of those guys.

Speaker 2 These are both devastating injuries because I think that Kraft was becoming the centerpiece of that passing game and someone that you take him out and they're just a much easier team to defend.

Speaker 2 He was dominant against the Steelers two weeks ago. And we've seen what happened when Joe Walt was not in the lineup for the Chargers.
So it's two teams that you are forced to look at differently.

Speaker 2 I do feel like in the last couple of weeks, and we'll get into our power rankings, but like every pretty good team that I felt hopeful about have suffered injuries, losses, defeat from multiple angles where it's like, who's...

Speaker 2 who's great here at this point, compromised across the board.

Speaker 1 It's a cliche, but it's a cliche because it's so true. It really is a war of of attrition.

Speaker 1 I mean, and who can duck the raindrops and not lose, you know, the players that they absolutely need, the Jenga pieces, as Dave Damashek puts it, to a roster.

Speaker 1 And Slater and Alt were major Janga pieces to everything that the Chargers were hoping for. And they're both gone for the year.
So that's just, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 You know, we talked about how great the Bills looked on defense against the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 And they did it without Ed Oliver because he suffered the biceps injury the previous week, and he's out indefinitely, and they were able to get by without Oliver.

Speaker 1 Now they lose another piece of their defensive line. Michael Hoyt tore his Achilles in the win over the Chiefs, so he's out for the year.

Speaker 1 So look for the Bills to maybe address that at the trade deadline or even before. The Commanders linebacker Frankie Louvu suspended one game for his third hip drop tackle of the season.

Speaker 1 Come on, buddy. By the way, Marshawn Lattimore, in addition to

Speaker 1 the Jaden Daniels injury, Lattimore, who I know has been a disappointment in Washington, but he tore his ACL in that game, too. I mean, you want to talk about just the snake bitch.

Speaker 2 Another season is over.

Speaker 1 The commanders just turn the page, turn the page, because sometimes it's just not happening for you. And finally, Texans quarterback C.J.
Stroud remains in concussion protocol.

Speaker 1 He's feeling a bit better, D'Amico Ryan said about Stroud. We'll see how he goes and if he's able to play the guitar in week 10.
And

Speaker 1 finally, a trade. Miami is trading edge rusher Jalen Phillips to the Eagles in exchange for a 2026 third-round pick.
That's pretty high value for this type of deal.

Speaker 1 I believe Phillips is going to be a free agent after this year. And this is the third trade Mark the Eagles have made in the past week.
They've also added cornerback Jair Alexander,

Speaker 1 who had fallen deep on the depth chart

Speaker 1 in his previous stay, and cornerback Michael Carter from the Jets.

Speaker 2 The Jalen Phillips thing to me feels like, oh, this is just going to work for the Eagles. Like, I think I liked him as a player a lot.

Speaker 2 And Miami,

Speaker 2 you know, when we do this show tomorrow, what team might be the biggest seller? I thought the Cleveland was a big seller candidate. Miami feels like they're going to be selling a lot of players.

Speaker 1 All right. Let's take a break.
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Speaker 12 Unless you've got power!

Speaker 12 Farbuck, Farbuck.

Speaker 1 With great power comes great responsibility. Bigger powers!

Speaker 2 Yeah! Then when you get the money, you get the power.

Speaker 1 Category orange incident. Power behind the power.
Yeah, well, you're playing with power according to the Dan Hansas power ranking.

Speaker 1 Yes, the official power rankings of record, the heed the call power rankings compiled. It's a group effort.
The Zuzzer, the Quiet Storm, the Gravedigger. And yes, Mr.
Connor Orr.

Speaker 1 Does Connor have a nickname?

Speaker 2 The conman.

Speaker 1 The conman.

Speaker 1 The con man.

Speaker 1 So we all come up with our list of 32. Justin does his magic behind the scenes.
We trust him implicitly to get it right.

Speaker 1 And then we take it from there.

Speaker 7 We had a couple of on-air issues this season. I think it's going pretty well.

Speaker 1 Pretty well on balance. And you know what? I haven't heard from Farbuck either.
So I feel like things have been quiet, and quiet is good. Let's, without further ado, let's check in.

Speaker 1 The way we do it, we break it down into four sectors. The first sector is where you want your team to be, tier sector.

Speaker 1 What's wrong with that? What's wrong with sector? I don't know.

Speaker 2 Cracks me up.

Speaker 1 Let me look that up.

Speaker 2 Farbuck has personal problems too. He'll disappear for weeks at a time.

Speaker 1 And then he's getting older. Farbuck.

Speaker 1 I think it's an age-related decline with Farbuck. But he might be a little bit of an oddball, too.
I've known him for many years.

Speaker 1 He always seemed a little bit left of center. A sector is an area or portion that is distinct from others.
Come on, bro. Okay.

Speaker 2 I'm not saying it was incorrect. It just, it's a spicy word in my world.
It makes me think of other things.

Speaker 1 What could it possibly make?

Speaker 2 Well, it feels space age or it feels sort of science fiction, like a sector.

Speaker 1 All right, I like it. Okay, the Bills are number one.
They displaced the Kansas City Chiefs.

Speaker 1 Is this the first time the Bills have been number one in our rankings, Justin? Probably not. Maybe earlier in the season they were.

Speaker 7 I will check on that.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I actually don't think they have been because we had the Eagles for the first three or four weeks. And I don't know if the Bills ever snuck in, but let's check in on that.

Speaker 1 The Bills, I had them at one. Mark had him at one.
Justin had him at one. Connor had them at two.
Up three spots. Number two in the power rankings with a bullet, the Seattle Seahawks.

Speaker 1 I had him at two, Mark at two, Connor at one, the best team in football, and Justin at two. So we are almost in lockstep with our top two, but Justin or Connor had his

Speaker 1 Bills and Seahawks flipped. Number three.

Speaker 7 Before you move on, Bills were the number one team in our power rankings after week one.

Speaker 1 Oh, right. Because you guys didn't follow the law of respecting the Super Bowl champion that I do.
Okay.

Speaker 7 And that was the only time. Then it was Eagles for a while.
Then it was Chiefs. And now.

Speaker 2 I think that's when Farbuck came out of the woodwork to lash us potentially.

Speaker 1 That was one of the things early on. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. So anyway, the Chiefs dropped to number three, two spots.
I had him down at five. Mark had him at three.

Speaker 1 Connor had him at five. Justin at four.

Speaker 1 The Rams, they're just like chopping wood. I got to respect the Rams.
I feel like they've probably been the most consistent team in our power rankings this year. They've probably been in

Speaker 1 this tier, if not the whole season, pretty much the whole season. I have them at number three.
Mark has him down at seven, a little disrespectful, I think.

Speaker 1 Connor at four,

Speaker 1 Justin at three. Why down at seven, barely in the tier? Like, what have the Rams done other than relentlessly win and do it with consistency and a balance that many teams strive for?

Speaker 2 Not out of disrespect. I don't really disagree with what you said about them, but we've got like the Detroits and the Eagles of the world down there

Speaker 2 below them. And I just view them as a little more battle-tested in the world.

Speaker 1 I see what's happening here. I know.
I see what's happening. You're retroactively trying to gas up the Patriots now.
I see what's happening. Okay, we'll get to it.

Speaker 1 Let's see. The Lions drop two spots to five.
The Eagles on a bye move up two spots. I don't like that.
I don't like like that at all.

Speaker 1 You're asking for trouble with Farbeck.

Speaker 1 I kept him at seven

Speaker 1 in my rankings.

Speaker 1 Mark, you have him at five. Connor has him at three.
Wow. And Justin at seven.
The Colts drop five spots after that humbling loss to the Steelers.

Speaker 1 There's Mark again, just that, you know, that flighty boyfriend in and out of his partners' lives, immediately jumping ship, drops him all the way down to number nine.

Speaker 1 I can't with you, Cessler. you know, you fall in love with these teams, and they have one bad week, and you're packing up your stuff in the middle of the night, and you're leaving town.

Speaker 1 It's just like with a not even a dear John letter, not even a dear Mark letter.

Speaker 1 Like, you don't even have the Colts in tier one anymore after you were saying that they were number one for like a month.

Speaker 2 Uh, you know, I feel things and they disappointed me, but I am not a, I wouldn't categorize myself as a flighty

Speaker 1 boyfriend.

Speaker 1 By the time you read this note, I'll be gone. Did young.
Remember that Judd Hirsch sitcom of the 80s?

Speaker 2 I watched a lot of episodes of that show.

Speaker 7 That didn't sound like Taylor Swift, but okay.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I get it. I get that.
That was a millennial

Speaker 1 take on things. Yes.

Speaker 1 And the Patriots. I have them at eight.
They come in at eight. I had them at eight.
Connor had them at eight. Justin had him at nine.

Speaker 1 And Mark, he said, I'm late to the party, but now I want to get to the front of the line. So he moves him all the way up to six.

Speaker 1 That's predictable as well.

Speaker 1 Well, you know what?

Speaker 2 Like

Speaker 2 the discussion is never

Speaker 2 you saying, oh, what if perhaps I've misjudged where this team is? It's always, Mark,

Speaker 1 you're rash.

Speaker 2 You're out of control. It's like, no, I'm not.

Speaker 1 The Patriots in particular, I was ahead of the pack on the Patriots on this show. I was giving them props before other people this season.
but now I see what you're doing.

Speaker 1 Like, all of a sudden, you went from having them at like 14 in the power rankings. Like, now I'm going to put them at six.

Speaker 1 After what? After they barely hung on against the Falcons at home, you're going to jump them up. Like, come on.

Speaker 2 I think they're growing. They're developing.
They're becoming a problem.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we all agree with that. I just see what you're doing.
I'm watching you. Tier two.

Speaker 1 Got my eye on you, Sess Dog.

Speaker 1 The Broncos. All right, there we go.
I like that. We're kind of in lockstep on a lot of these.
Broncos at nine. They stay where they were last year, last week.

Speaker 1 The Bucks on a buy, they actually move up into the top 10.

Speaker 1 The Niners.

Speaker 1 The Niners keep winning, and they move up one spot to 11. Here's the Packers.
The Packers, and this is, I think this is good what we did here. We knocked them all the way down to 12, a six-spot drop.

Speaker 1 I would imagine that's close to the most, the biggest drop of the week. Justin, if not, it's in the neighborhood.

Speaker 7 Second most.

Speaker 1 Okay, the second biggest drop of the week is the Packers. The Cowboys probably free-falled after that game.
But,

Speaker 1 okay. Ooh, we're going to find out.
But, Mark,

Speaker 1 it's not just that Tucker Kraft is out for the year. It's now we've this has been going on for more than a month now where the Packers are just not overly impressive.

Speaker 1 And these other teams are finding themselves, these true elite teams, and

Speaker 1 you sense these teams coming together. You don't sense that with the Packers, do you?

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 2 I even had them at 10, which was a little bit higher than you guys who had them all at 12.

Speaker 2 It's that, yeah, I'm disappointed by them and you can kind of feel them floating away and they're a little, they're unpredictable in a way that I don't enjoy.

Speaker 2 And so sitting at 12, which is a fringe playoff team,

Speaker 2 that's where you belong to sit.

Speaker 1 I put them at my number 13 spot, and that's the twilight zone for me when I don't know what to do with the team.

Speaker 1 So I just stick them there and just forget about it for a week because I think that's exactly where the Packers exist right now. It's hard to understand who they are.

Speaker 1 The actual number 13 spot is the Steelers. Now,

Speaker 1 I'm going to say this about the Steelers. I hear

Speaker 1 they stay at 13, and that doesn't seem fair. And I understand that that doesn't seem fair.

Speaker 1 Because if you're a Steelers fan, you said you guys have been slurping on the Colts for two months, and we go and we kick their ass in, and you won't even move us up.

Speaker 1 This is what I'll say to that. Because I had him at 14, Mark 13, Connor 13, Justin 13.

Speaker 1 What they did

Speaker 1 is you're not going to see it this week, but they closed a very big gap between 12 and 13. Yes, I agree.
I agree. It used to be going into this week, the Steelers were 13, but you know what?

Speaker 1 They were kind of, they weren't close to the top 12. Now they're right there.
And if they now could put together another week, mark where they look good

Speaker 1 and succeed again, you're going to see him make a march up the board. So it's one of those wins that

Speaker 1 might take a little more time to show up in these rankings.

Speaker 2 That was said

Speaker 2 in a way that suggests that you have power rankings experience dating back for many years because you're right. That gap is different.

Speaker 2 And I do see the Steelers a little differently after that win, but they're hard for me to shoot up the board.

Speaker 2 But not if they keep doing this, because maybe they just win in a way that we're not used to in 2025, and that's okay.

Speaker 1 And let's take a look at their upcoming schedule. They're at Chargers on Sunday night football.
So that's another big island game. They're playing a lot of island games, if you like.

Speaker 1 And to make another statement, you win that island game in Los Angeles, you're moving into the top 10. After that home against Bengals at Chicago, home versus Bills at Ravens.

Speaker 1 So we're going going to find out. We'll find out where the Steelers actually sit in this thing because the schedule will test them.
They're just ahead of the Chargers.

Speaker 1 You know, I didn't see this Joe Alt out for the year thing

Speaker 1 before I sent in my picks. Honestly, I had him at number 10 in my rank because I'd probably dropped him a couple spots

Speaker 1 had I known that because that's a huge loss. But you guys picked up the slack there.
You have them at 14, Connor 15, Justin 14. So they sit at 14 in the power ranks.

Speaker 1 Let's see what Justin Herbert could do. The Bears stay at 15.
The Ravens up one spot to 16. So we're, you know, we got an eye on the Ravens and they move into tier two.

Speaker 1 Tier three.

Speaker 1 The Ravens moving into tier two. That's smart.
We're taking a look at it.

Speaker 1 We're going to continue to lock in on them. The Vikings make a big jump.
They're up five spots. J.J.
McCarthy's successful return to the lineup, and we're in lockstep between 17 and 18, everyone.

Speaker 1 The Panthers also up five spots. We're starting to buy in a little bit after they shot Green Bay.
They move up to number 18. The Jaguars,

Speaker 1 we're all in lockstep here, too.

Speaker 1 We have the collectively, the Jaguars at 19, up two spots. The Falcons,

Speaker 1 damn kickers, man. Sergio Romo blows it, and as a result, they are unable to complete.
Sergio Parker, excuse me,

Speaker 1 blows it on the PAT, and they can't upset the Patriots. So they stay at 20.
The Cardinals also have five spots. Look at that.
We have three teams up five spots in tier three, making a move.

Speaker 1 It is the Arizona Cardinals after their resounding win in Dallas tonight.

Speaker 1 The Texans lose again. A narrow loss to the Broncos down three spots.
The quarterbacks hurt again. The Cowboys free fall five spots after tonight to number 23.
And okay, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 The Washington Commanders down eight spots to the bottom of tier three. That's what happens when you keep losing and then you lose your franchise quarterback to a serious elbow injury, Mark Sessler.

Speaker 1 Anything there? That feels like we have that tier pretty much locked in.

Speaker 2 I thought we did a good job there as a group.

Speaker 1 Eat it, Farbuck.

Speaker 2 Yeah, like I don't understand what he'd have an issue with unless he's just in a very grumpy mood because as a group, was, we showed some self-control there, and we can detect that the season is over for teams like the Commanders.

Speaker 2 The season is a wrap. So you're going to, you're going to go in one direction.
It's not going to be up the board.

Speaker 1 And that means there's eight teams left that are below the Commanders in our mind, which means these teams must be down bad. And that's what this year is.
There are some bad teams. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Starting with the Bengals, who have, if the Cowboys don't have the worst defense in the league, it's because the Cincinnati Bengals exist, and their defense gets them beat again in heartbreaking fashion.

Speaker 1 This time to the Bears. So they're down one spot to 25.
The Giants just keep losing, and that's a problem. Their defense is not playing well either.

Speaker 1 In addition to all the injuries, they're down one spot to 26. The Dolphins stay at 27.
The Raiders up one spot to 28. The Browns down one spot to 29.

Speaker 1 The Jets on the bye move up a spy. Oh, baby.
Almost into the 20s. Let's go.

Speaker 1 The Saints.

Speaker 1 Now, the Saints, I thought they made a case this week to be marching all the way down to 32. In fact, that's where I put them, as did Connor.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 they

Speaker 1 only dropped one spot. And yes, once again, it is the Tennessee Tytoons bringing up the rear at number 32, same as last week.
Congratulations, Justin.

Speaker 1 And if you look at these rankings, again, it is weird to cover a sport where your favorite team doesn't even feel like it's in the sport. The Browns are 29.
the Jets are 30, the Titans are 32.

Speaker 1 You can't make this shit up.

Speaker 7 Nightmare.

Speaker 7 I like what you did there with the Saints marching down. That was good.
But

Speaker 7 I have to watch the Titans very closely every week.

Speaker 7 Feels

Speaker 7 more like an obligation than a passion at this point. And you can't tell me that there's a team.
I guess we'll find out in week 17 because these two teams play each other.

Speaker 7 The Titans did trade their best edge rusher today to the Baltimore Ravens.

Speaker 1 So they're getting worse. Who would that be?

Speaker 7 Draymont Jones, four and a half sacks in his last four games.

Speaker 1 Okay. What'd you get for that?

Speaker 7 We got a conditional fourth, probably a fifth, maybe a fourth. We'll see.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Jalen Phillips got a third. So

Speaker 1 why couldn't you get a third?

Speaker 7 Well, Jalen Phillips has an injury history, but he's like a legitimate, good edge rusher. Draymond Jones has a lot of money.

Speaker 1 And four and a half sacks in four games is pretty damn good for me. I'd be holding out for a three.

Speaker 7 That's I mean, maybe a two. Take what you can get right now, Titans.

Speaker 2 Like, Amy Adams strung has no idea what day it is, so that's part of the problem down in Nashville.

Speaker 7 Well, she's not making these trades.

Speaker 1 Well, she's not. I say you pull the trigger, young man, on any trade you see fit.

Speaker 2 Have you seen my one-piece suit? I want to go sit in the pool on my floaty chair.

Speaker 1 You know, the one with all the flowers on it. You know, I like the wild flowers.
Push me around

Speaker 1 suit.

Speaker 1 Push me around in my kidney-shaped pool. Always heated to 93.

Speaker 1 Because I guess I'm just a hot-blooded gal.

Speaker 2 It's like, did you say I owned a football team? I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 What's football?

Speaker 1 Just kidding.

Speaker 1 I love football.

Speaker 1 Where's that Mike Vrabel? He's a tasty treat.

Speaker 2 I love those football players.

Speaker 2 Have them come on over to the pool.

Speaker 1 All of a sudden, she's Blanche Devereaux from Golden Girls.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 That's it. Reminder, again, live stream tomorrow.
Trade deadline. 4 p.m.
Eastern.

Speaker 1 1 p.m. Pacific.
9 p.m. in London.

Speaker 1 Be there at B Square.

Speaker 1 Mark, any final words?

Speaker 2 If you don't join our live show,

Speaker 2 we will find you and you will pay the price.

Speaker 1 Oh, baby, I feel like we're in the dungeon in Hollywood again.

Speaker 2 Well, I'm just saying, you've been warned.

Speaker 1 Some of our listeners like that. It's like ASMR, you know? Sessler dungeon talk.

Speaker 2 I can't prevent. their liking it.
It's up to them.

Speaker 2 It's your choice.

Speaker 1 All right, everybody. Have a great Tuesday and Beyond.
We'll see you before you know it. Till next time, do what you must.
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