Mom & Dad Have Tough Talks With Teens In Trouble

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Speaker 1 What's Jameis Winston doing on the New York Giants, by the way? You know, we talk about the Minnesota Vikings or insert three other teams that could use an option of quarterback.

Speaker 1 You have Russ on the roster. You have, obviously, Dart, who's going nowhere.
Come on, like, move Jameis Winston before next week's trade deadline. I demand it.

Speaker 1 Hello,

Speaker 1 welcome to Heath the Call and NFL podcast. It's the Wednesday hump edition,

Speaker 1 hump day edition of the program. Dan Hands is here with Mark Sessler, Justin Graver on the ones and twos.

Speaker 1 Jordan Rodriguez will be joining us in just a little bit as we reach out to some troubled teens. And

Speaker 1 Mark, in your

Speaker 1 uncle

Speaker 1 role for that exercise, you have chosen the right shirt, so you are ready for today's program. Yes.
Way to come.

Speaker 2 It is a mix of myself, but also we shift into thespian role at times. And this felt like what an uncle with some irresponsibility issues would don.

Speaker 1 Right. You slip into that character, and

Speaker 1 I know you're going to do well in it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so that's coming up. We're also going to preview Thursday night football, Ravens, Dolphins.

Speaker 1 Hey, we, Justin, jump in a second. We

Speaker 1 have been doing really well, I feel like, with the subscribers over on the YouTube side of things. We're getting a nice, steady build, but we want more.

Speaker 1 What's a good goal that we want to set next?

Speaker 4 I would say 25K is the next, like, sort of within our grasp, but we need a real push to get there.

Speaker 4 As of this exact moment, we are 176 subscribers away from... Sorry, did I say 25? I meant 26K.
25K was our last goal. 26K.
We're 176 subs away.

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Speaker 1 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 When is the last time that you

Speaker 2 smashed the like button or made a comment on a YouTube video? Do you? Because I understand.

Speaker 1 I do it all the time. Is it all the time, bro?

Speaker 2 Is it all the time?

Speaker 1 I'm on YouTube probably more than any other streaming service.

Speaker 2 Oh, I'd say that's true of me, too. I know that my kids comment and they chat with people.
I don't know who.

Speaker 1 hopefully, that's coaching. You might want to check in on that one, Uncle Mark.

Speaker 1 Yeah, my kids are talking with strangers online. I'm not sure who they are, but most of them are nice over there.

Speaker 2 It's just like,

Speaker 2 I don't know, Minecraft type of scenarios. Okay.

Speaker 1 Just keep an eye on it.

Speaker 2 M, will be.

Speaker 1 This is all about helping. This episode will be about

Speaker 1 helping the youth, you know? We help the youth. That's what we do.

Speaker 1 All right. So before we bring in Jordan, let's get caught up on the news.
news midweek style. Hit it, Gravey.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 1 Well, this is a great way to get started. And I haven't even won all my games yet.
Oh, God.

Speaker 1 Can you keep playing that? I know Mark and I both got a

Speaker 1 quite a kick out of this.

Speaker 1 It's a great night. It's a great dive.

Speaker 1 I'm here with my family.

Speaker 1 Family

Speaker 1 of Louisiana, but more importantly,

Speaker 1 to be with

Speaker 1 you great fans. You great fans and your family.
What is going to be an incredible ride here at Louisiana State University?

Speaker 1 That is Brian Kelly, recently.

Speaker 1 Relieved of his duties at LSU. That was just a couple years ago when he,

Speaker 1 was a hotshot hire coming off his run at Notre Dame.

Speaker 1 And Mark, you and I always got a kick out of that southern twang that he develops for that halftime speech or whatever it was.

Speaker 2 How did he come up with that idea? Because if this were the 1812s and you were taking a train across the country to coach a different football team, we wouldn't know what you probably sound like.

Speaker 2 But now it's like this got on people's radar in about eight seconds and he was literally flamed out of the gate for it.

Speaker 1 I remember

Speaker 1 back when we were covering the draft at Radio City Music Hall, the uh, it must have been the Mantai Teo year.

Speaker 1 If everybody, anybody remembers the Mantai Teo saga about the dead girlfriend, and it turned out to be

Speaker 1 he was being um, what do you call it?

Speaker 2 Catfished. Well, she was no, he was, she was pretending to be a real girlfriend, and then

Speaker 1 oh, and then she died.

Speaker 1 He thought he was actually legitimately a victim in this, and um, Dead Deadspin and like the highest moment of that publication before Hulk Hogan and Peter Thiel combined to take down.

Speaker 1 A lot of weird shit happened in the aughts. I just got to say it in the 2010s.
But anyway, Brian Kelly was the head coach of Notre Dame.

Speaker 1 And I remember going up to the mezzanine level of Radio City to interview

Speaker 1 Brian Kelly after the Teo pick. I think he was taking like the second or third round.
And I can tell you this,

Speaker 1 he very much sounded like a you know like a 58 year old man who lived or grew up in everett massachusetts back then you know what i mean it was it was not that that voice inflection no

Speaker 1 anyway fun fun fun

Speaker 1 he gon uh all right check in let's start with the giants you know i'm i know there is a fascination on the show with the giants uh they got to win more games to stay interesting to me but i will

Speaker 1 it could be a fleeting fascination you know these things change but i will always sign off on content, speaking of YouTube, that involves Russell Wilson throwing his wife, Siara, a surprise party, and then it's Wilson boogieing down with Jameis Winston, amongst others.

Speaker 1 Check this clip out.

Speaker 1 And it did make me think, first of all, there you go, Russ.

Speaker 1 And there's Jameis.

Speaker 1 What's Jameis Winston doing on the New York Giants, by the way? You know, we talk about the, you know, Minnesota Vikings or insert three other teams that could use an option to quarterback.

Speaker 1 I've never been a Winston fan as a player, but he's certainly a better option than some of these teams are running out there right now that have run into quarterback issues.

Speaker 1 You have Russ on the roster. You have, obviously, Dart, who's going nowhere.
Come on, like, move Jameis Winston before next week's trade deadline. I demand it.

Speaker 2 Unless they...

Speaker 2 Unless in-house, they just don't want to play Russell Wilson again, no matter what. But I'm with you.

Speaker 2 I think, like, that's the kind of thing where, like, he's a roller coaster ride, but look at him like dancing right here.

Speaker 2 I just wonder, does he ever have a day where he's like super introverted and just walks around his apartment, like moping around? And

Speaker 1 Jameis, I don't think so.

Speaker 2 Lashes out on people on text, just you know, disappears.

Speaker 1 I mean, in this weird, like, new NFL where guys can just get traded and be slinging it for a new team two days later.

Speaker 1 Put Jameis Winston in that situation. It will probably be an incredibly fun ride, a disaster ultimately for whatever team, because he'll get too comfortable as he often does.

Speaker 1 If anything, he's the extrovert mark that can't bring it down, and it just gets increasingly more and more until you got to send him away.

Speaker 1 And that is, coincidentally or not, kind of his football playing style and mentality as a quarterback as well.

Speaker 1 The party just has to keep on getting louder and louder and louder until it's like, this guy's got to leave the party.

Speaker 1 But like right now, we got him sidelined. So get him somewhere.

Speaker 2 I did like seeing Russell Wilson smile there for a a minute. Like, not all is down in the dumps.

Speaker 1 Russ is fine. His career is winding down, but I think he's going to be okay.
He's got the love of Sierra.

Speaker 1 Anyway, speaking of the Giants, running back Cam Scatabu, who was placed on IR yesterday, it was pretty rough, man.

Speaker 1 We knew it was a bad injury, but not only a dislocated ankle, but also a fibula fracture, a deltoid ligament rupture as well. Surgery,

Speaker 1 you know, it was right away close to the wound. And wound.
Weird. Is that from Rapsheet? Is that his reporting? Wound.
Odd wording.

Speaker 1 Gross.

Speaker 4 That is Rapsheet reporting, yes.

Speaker 1 I wonder if that's because he had one of those things where the bone broke through the skin or something.

Speaker 2 Or, like, at least to some degree. And they said it was like a four to six month recovery, probably towards the latter, I'd imagine.

Speaker 1 And then what kind of running back article after that? Sounds like a Civil War injury.

Speaker 1 Anyway, it was successful. And the good news is

Speaker 1 the rehab, even though it sounds like it wouldn't be, it's pretty straightforward, and he should be ready for the off-season program. So, good news on that.

Speaker 1 I also got sound from Kirk Herbstreet on Scataboo's decision to go to injured reserve.

Speaker 5 What kind of a man are you?

Speaker 1 You're worthless and weak. I mean, this guy's out of control.
This Herbstreet,

Speaker 2 he's not going to let go. That's not going to be removed from his

Speaker 2 visage for a while. Tough one.

Speaker 1 Whatever happened to Gary Cooper.

Speaker 1 You watching the World Series? A lot of like the feedback was, you know, it was very extreme in both directions.

Speaker 1 It was some people were like, Zuzzer, I love the play-by-play of the World Series, that classic that ended up going 18 innings with Freddie Freeman hitting the walk-off homer to beat the Jays.

Speaker 1 And then some people, mostly people from like Scotland, being like, mate, don't ever do it again. That's what Scottish people sound like.

Speaker 1 But anyway,

Speaker 2 it's also a tough fast forward forward if you fast forward through those things because it was like intermittent.

Speaker 2 You'd hop over and just give us like a minute and then back to the show.

Speaker 1 But I thought it was interesting. I was watching, you know, I've been watching the series.
The Blue Jays won yesterday, even it up. They beat Dotani.
But

Speaker 1 you had

Speaker 1 Justin Herbert and Madison Beer there.

Speaker 1 You also had Matthew Stafford and that wife of his, Kelly. She was there.

Speaker 1 Bieber was there too. So that's cool.

Speaker 1 So celebrity row, but to have both LA quarterbacks, isn't it funny? Like LA, and that speaks to L.A., the football town.

Speaker 1 We do have two very high-profile quarterbacks, two potential Hall of Fame quarterbacks, but it's never anything like, man, L.A., who's got the better quarterback?

Speaker 1 But there's no like debate involving the Chargers or Rams. It's like they exist in different universes almost.
Yeah,

Speaker 2 they don't even seem to have like a Mets Yankees or Jets Giants kind of tension performance.

Speaker 2 It's just too early and it's just not, it's LA too. But Herbert's status is shooting through the roof with new

Speaker 2 with new groups of fans because of Madison Beer. She's a

Speaker 2 had 21 million TikTok followers and they're, they, they went to like a Halloween party. They went to the Lakers game.
They went to this all in the course of like four days.

Speaker 1 So I want to know more about Justin Herbert.

Speaker 1 He seems like a, I mean, he likes to, he's been dating around, doing the thing that you would, you would expect for a young successful handsome professional athlete in LA like he's doing I feel like he's doing all the things that I would do if I was Justin Herbert

Speaker 1 and now I just want to learn more about him because he is also a little bit closed off almost like an empty vessel but I think there's more to it like how do we crack the code and find out more about Justin Herbert any any ideas mark I think we've got to get in through the Bieber and Madison beer door that's probably the quickest way to get to Justin Herbert we befriend them they see quickly what we have to offer and

Speaker 2 we get the information we need on the quarterback.

Speaker 1 The Saints officially name quarterback Tyler Shuck.

Speaker 1 They are starting quarterback. So that's cool.

Speaker 1 I mean, I think this ultimately, I just talked about the Saints and how difficult they are to watch for me because they're just kind of a nothing burger and

Speaker 1 they really need to hit the hard reset. Some Saints fans reached out saying that's exactly how we feel.
Didn't take it personally.

Speaker 1 And in a way, like, you know, Spencer Rattler, he got his chance, it didn't work out. Now, Shuck's gonna play a little bit, there'll be similar results, I would imagine.

Speaker 1 And then the Saints, at least internally, I would hope, can go, all right, so those guys are depth pieces or maybe trade pieces. Now, let's really figure out how to rebuild this thing from the studs.

Speaker 1 Uh, but Shuck will get the start. Who do the Saints have this week?

Speaker 1 Take a

Speaker 4 Los Angeles Rams. How about MLA?

Speaker 1 Isn't it funny how it all ties together? That's not an easy opponent.

Speaker 2 It's all connected, Sassy. Not an easy opponent.
It is all connected.

Speaker 2 What also feels connected is that neither one of these quarterbacks will be involved in the week one starting operation next year.

Speaker 1 The Lions.

Speaker 1 Yes,

Speaker 4 another thing to keep an eye on with Shook is that he has an extensive injury history in college, and that's the reason why he stayed in college for so many years.

Speaker 4 So there's a non-zero chance we see Spencer Rattler against him.

Speaker 1 How about this? How about we make a deal internally? You keep an eye on that.

Speaker 4 I will because the Titans play the Saints week 17 and I want to know who the quarterback's going to be.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 1 My point is, is there one quarterback that you absolutely hope is playing more than the other?

Speaker 4 Yes, Spencer Rattler, because I think he is better, at least right now, and I want the Titans to get the number one pick.

Speaker 4 By the way, Jets, Saints, week 16, those two weeks are going to decide which of these three teams gets the number one pick.

Speaker 1 I don't care. Whatever.
I don't care.

Speaker 1 It's really, I've thought about that a lot because, you know, the Jets are one of those teams that always make the wrong choice.

Speaker 1 I don't mind being like the third pick and letting other teams potentially f up and then the Jets fall into the right choice. Like

Speaker 1 when you're

Speaker 1 your favorite team.

Speaker 2 That's Drake May, basically, instead of

Speaker 2 whatever.

Speaker 1 That's fair for your situation.

Speaker 4 As a Titans fan, I want them to be able to trade back because they don't need the quarterback. But I get where you're coming from.

Speaker 1 You might need a quarterback. But yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Lions make Aiden Hutchinson highest paid. It happened.
It's happened. It's happened, Justin.
The Arizona Cardinals did the same thing.

Speaker 1 They took a quarterback, top 10, and then another quarterback came available at number one overall. It was Kyler Murray, and they did it.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying, I know you believe in Cam and you have merchandise out there on the streets that you're not getting a piece of, which I heartily want to underline is

Speaker 1 unacceptable. You should be getting a piece of any psych ward.

Speaker 2 Well, how many people are getting a piece of that right now? Are those flying off the shelves? The Cam Ward shirts?

Speaker 1 Yeah, that friend of yours.

Speaker 4 I wouldn't know.

Speaker 1 Why don't you reach out to him?

Speaker 4 I'll have to ask Austin and see how the sales are going.

Speaker 1 I mean, the fact that Austin, if he's moved anything, Mark,

Speaker 1 on any of those Psych Ward shirts,

Speaker 1 and there's no shooting justin a text, hey man, this is pretty crazy. Like, this shirt's selling pretty well.
You think maybe you want a taste of this?

Speaker 1 You know, something like that, that's what a friend would do.

Speaker 2 No, otherwise, I think one of us has to go out there with like a ball peen hammer and handle this situation the old-fashioned way.

Speaker 1 We don't want to do that, Justin. So maybe if you could just do it in a more civil way.

Speaker 4 I've also worn that shirt on the pod multiple times to give it like it's giving it some pop, you know. I don't know.
Something like that.

Speaker 2 Not comfortable. Well, don't be too easy, though.
Then he does, he doesn't, he doesn't have to do anything if you're already servicing the product on air.

Speaker 1 Right. My bad.
Thank you, Mark. Very

Speaker 1 uncle-level advice there as you're warming up for today's segment. The Lions make Aiden Hutchinson the highest paid non-quarterback in NFL history.
I love how we,

Speaker 1 you know, as the host of this show, I say that phrase like 14 times a year. I just, you know, just the news contract gets on, then the next one, then the next one.

Speaker 1 Now it's Aiden Hutchinson, highest paid non-QB in NFL history in terms of guaranteed money, $141 million guaranteed four-year, $180 million deal

Speaker 1 makes him the second highest paid non-QB by average annual salary, $45 million a year, behind only Michael Parsons at $46.5 million per year.

Speaker 1 And this is a smart move, obviously. Hutchinson has been everything that the Lions could

Speaker 1 ask for and hope for. Maybe they win the Super Bowl last year if Hutchinson doesn't break his leg in week five or whatever.
We'll never know.

Speaker 1 But it also, these type of signings, Sess Dog always underlined to me,

Speaker 1 okay, you guys better win soon because they got so many talented players that these guys, the bill's going to come due for all of them, and you're going to eventually get in the place where, like, and I know the lines have been run better in some ways than the Dallas Cowboys with what happened with Michael Parsons ending up in Green Bay, but this core is not going to stay together forever.

Speaker 1 And it's like, there has to be, and I know there is, but the urgency should be off the charts.

Speaker 1 And every time you see a giant deal like this, it will come at the expense of depth and even star players leaving the team elsewhere either next year or the year after.

Speaker 1 So take advantage of the window. It's wide open in 2025.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we've seen it with all those quarterback contracts.

Speaker 2 These essentially are quarterback contracts, like the Miles Garrett contract resembles this to some degree in terms of how it affects the rest of what you can do.

Speaker 2 But this was inevitable. It's the deal at the peak of his powers.

Speaker 2 I really appreciate from just our tracking these stories standpoint that this just gets quietly done on October 29th versus we're dealing with it for four months in the offseason.

Speaker 2 Like you're taking a lot, you are benefiting everyone by getting it done, but it was never not going to be, and he totally deserves it. And you're right.

Speaker 2 The trick is your capologist or capologists need to figure out how to keep, kind of like the Packers, a team with so many young, talented players in-house because your window is changing every year.

Speaker 1 Okay, good one, Mark. And other news.

Speaker 1 Trade. Trade deadlines next Tuesday.
How about that?

Speaker 1 And the Patriots, they move safety. I always kind of struggle with this name.
I just found the Patriots website actually has this player standing in front of a green screen.

Speaker 1 The video is titled Pronunciation Colon and his name. Here it is.

Speaker 1 Kyle Duggar. Wait, that's the best thing.

Speaker 1 Kyle Duggar. Wait, this is actually really funny.

Speaker 1 The Patriots have on their website a pronunciation guile for a guide for Kyle Duggar.

Speaker 1 And then they cut it off before he finishes what he says. That's you know, that's not very helpful.

Speaker 2 It's the opposite of helpful.

Speaker 1 Kyle Dugger. Is it Duggar? I think it is.

Speaker 2 That's how I believe that is exactly what it is.

Speaker 1 Steelers trade for Patriots safety, Kyle Duggar. They place Deshaun Elliott on IR.
You saw he suffered that unfortunate knee injury

Speaker 1 on

Speaker 2 John Verste Bayer.

Speaker 1 Yes, exactly.

Speaker 1 In prime time.

Speaker 1 So the trade is Duggar and a seventh-round pick to the Steelers. The Pats get a sixth-round pick back.
The Patriots also traded Edge Keon White to the 49ers for a seventh round pick

Speaker 1 or White and a seventh for a sixth. I don't care about those picks, those trades.

Speaker 1 I'm mad I even said it. If it's a trade that involves this guy and

Speaker 1 a seventh for a sixth, it's like, it's not up to the bar. It's not up to the HTC bar of conversation.
And go find it on your nerd podcast and just enjoy that I did it here.

Speaker 2 It's low, Agate. I will say there are whispers, Mike Florio talked about this a little bit, that A.J.
Brown to New England is something out there that could become more of reality.

Speaker 2 And of course, with Mike Rabler, that makes a lot of sense. And they're moving people off.

Speaker 2 Like, I don't know, when I start to see moving parts away, what part is coming in for a team that is sitting near the top of the AFC?

Speaker 1 I mean, A.J. Brown, and there's an article in the Athletic that went up recently that

Speaker 1 paints a somewhat sympathetic picture of A.J. Brown and his plight with the Eagles.

Speaker 1 He might be such a pain in the ass behind the scenes and so toxic on that team that they end up moving him for much less than you would expect.

Speaker 1 And if you have the chance to get a player of A.J. Brown's ability, I know he's a pain in the ass, but a lot of wide receiver ones are pains in the ass.

Speaker 1 If you're the Patriots, Although I know Mark hexed him on Monday, which is excellent news. I'm just so

Speaker 2 getting absolutely inundated with negative comments about that.

Speaker 1 I'm absolutely thrilled about that development.

Speaker 4 He doubled down on it, too. Right after we finished taping the Monday show, he tweets a picture of the Patriots with some caption like, something special is happening.
I love you, Mark.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 I felt that in my heart, but that's probably the core problem.

Speaker 1 Is this an early Christmas gift to me, your buddy, and partner that you're going to be able to do? Let's see how it plays out.

Speaker 2 But if it plays out, yes. But I'm not...

Speaker 2 Then it sounds like I'm a troller out there with some sort of special powers.

Speaker 1 That's the crazy thing. You're not.
You're just, you have this like.

Speaker 2 Like, are the Packers cursed right now? I don't think so. They went through a little bit of a rough patch, but they're not.

Speaker 1 Because you moved off them.

Speaker 4 Your heart moved to the Giants. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And they tanked.

Speaker 4 And now, you just said

Speaker 4 it's something you feel. It's not something you're...
It's not performative or whatever. And that's what.
That's how the curse becomes.

Speaker 1 And it's classic Uncle Mark. Like, Uncle Mark, he just can't sit still.
Like, he keeps on getting his eye caught by all these things and he just runs toward them like a moth to a flame.

Speaker 1 And now it's the Patriots. And I couldn't be happier about it because there is a script that gets followed here.
But back to my point,

Speaker 1 the Patriots are maybe one piece away from actually having a chance to get out of the AFC.

Speaker 1 Like when you were erroneously given credit for the Packers becoming a title contender

Speaker 1 because they got Micah Parsons. And it was like, okay, now they make sense as a title contender.

Speaker 2 Well, after I said that, but yeah.

Speaker 1 right. That's you, you made the comment about them being a Super Bowl team before they got Parsons.
And I remember being like, I don't think they're there. Then they got Parsons.

Speaker 1 It's like, okay, now they, for me, they jump up a level in terms of the tiers.

Speaker 1 The Patriots will do the same thing if they go and get AJ Brown, and then they'll get a hyper-motivated year or two out of him, and then he'll run himself out of that town.

Speaker 1 And how good would it feel for you, Justin, if AJ Brown and Mike Rabel were reunited

Speaker 1 for another team?

Speaker 4 That's just like a dream come true for all Titans fans.

Speaker 4 By the way, Mike Rice has a report out that the Patriots are, quote, most likely to target a running back or a veteran pass rusher at the deadline.

Speaker 4 So these moves to move off these old regime players could just be the first move in a series to get new guys in.

Speaker 1 Yes, Kyle Doug.

Speaker 1 Kyle Doug. Kyle Doug.
Kyle Doug. Kyle Doug.

Speaker 1 Kyle Doug. All right.
Anything else in the news?

Speaker 4 I'll pull the real sound of that off their website so we can reuse it in the future.

Speaker 1 You doing the inner monologue thing again?

Speaker 2 Again, thank you for the details, which we do appreciate.

Speaker 1 When's the last time I got my teeth cleaned? I should probably do that. Hmm, do I have enough insurance money? I'll check on that, too.

Speaker 1 Hmm.

Speaker 2 When will that man come back and cut my lawn?

Speaker 1 Yeah, the man to cut my giant lawn on my rental property. Where has he been?

Speaker 1 Did I default payment?

Speaker 1 I'll have Jessica handle that.

Speaker 1 All right, in other news. Isaiah Pacheco left Monday night's wind with a knee injury.
He's considered weak to week with an MCL sprain. Bummer.

Speaker 1 And that's what's happening in the news. All right, let's take a break.
And when we get back, we welcome in one of our favorite people, Jordan Rodrigue, and we are going to

Speaker 1 get serious. We're going to be parental.
We're going to be

Speaker 1 unclely.

Speaker 1 We're going to help

Speaker 1 some troubled teens.

Speaker 1 Stay right there.

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Speaker 1 Mark God, that's Jordan Rod Riggs music.

Speaker 1 Thank you, John Buka back.

Speaker 2 Hey there.

Speaker 1 Hi.

Speaker 7 Dan, Mark, Justin, all the guys. Hello.
I'm so happy. Hi, everyone.

Speaker 1 Yes. Look at this.
The gang back together. What's new with J-Rod?

Speaker 7 I wore my hat for the occasion. I feel like this is how, you know, people, you know, remember this is, you know, the trademark, the vintage.

Speaker 7 I was going to wear my Halloween costume from last year, which was just me, but in a different hat. But then, you know, it sort of traumatized Dan a little bit.

Speaker 1 No, I learned my lesson from last year that I'm with like,

Speaker 1 you know, Jim Halpert people when it comes to Halloween. It's like, oh, Halloween, I'm postmodern Halloween.

Speaker 2 Well, I also

Speaker 1 costume. So I got

Speaker 1 school, I forgot.

Speaker 2 No, well, this is, I was actually thinking about this entire issue in the middle of the night because we're close to Halloween.

Speaker 2 And it was like, I also annoyed Dan Jordan, if you recall, because I just simply put child sunglasses on and he showed up as John Travolta from Pulp Fiction.

Speaker 2 So it created this tension, which is always good for a show, but it created tension right out of the gate in that mid-season.

Speaker 1 Well, shout out to Michael Sean Dugar. He did a nice job.

Speaker 2 If that's what you're aiming for, he did a nice job.

Speaker 2 If you're aiming for that, the two of us did a nice job with what we were aiming for.

Speaker 7 Yes, we did, Mark.

Speaker 1 Yes, we did. Postmodern Halloween.
I'm above it. I'm cool.
I'm a cool kid. Yes, you guys nailed that.

Speaker 2 Yes, we did. Yes, we did.

Speaker 7 Some people.

Speaker 1 See, now you got me riled up about it again.

Speaker 2 See, I know because it really annoyed you.

Speaker 1 And I hope you're happy because that wasn't the goal, though. And everybody, sound off in the comments.
Halloween's canceled on Heed the Call because of Mark.

Speaker 2 No. Smash the like button if you agree with me.

Speaker 7 I was the instigator, but it's specifically Mark who got it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, well, I'll deal with it the rest of the year. That's all.

Speaker 1 Jordan, oh, what a blessing it is to have you back with us. Such a busy woman,

Speaker 1 just thriving in all ways. And you've taken a little time out of your schedule to

Speaker 1 help. the troubled teens of the NFL.

Speaker 7 Yes, those teens, those youths.

Speaker 1 We're here.

Speaker 1 It's a couple of them. The three of us.
It's going to be a family. We're going to keep this in-house.
It's going to be a family matter. We are at the portion of the NFL schedule

Speaker 1 where we have matured out of childhood, but we're not quite to adulthood. We're in those rocky years of 13 to 18 that

Speaker 1 sometimes the kids need guidance, and that's what we're here to do. So coming off a week of blowouts, we thought maybe we would

Speaker 1 identify

Speaker 1 three troubled teens and see if we can get through to them. So

Speaker 1 without further ado, go ahead, Justin.

Speaker 1 All right, here we go. Let's

Speaker 1 Jordan.

Speaker 1 We got to talk to Dallas. We've got to start with Dallas.
Dallas is someone that this is a troubled team that needs our help right now.

Speaker 1 Do you agree or do you not want to do this?

Speaker 7 I'm here to support and I'm trying to stay strong because

Speaker 7 he needs it. He needs us right now.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's do it.

Speaker 1 All right, turn that off. Dallas, turn that off.

Speaker 1 Turn it off.

Speaker 1 Jesus.

Speaker 1 It's rock and roll music. That's the problem.

Speaker 1 All right, Dallas, your mother and I want to talk to you about what's been going on with with you so far. Also, your uncle Mark is here.

Speaker 1 He's been away for a while, but we're really glad he's back and we're happy about that. And he's just going to be staying with us for a few weeks until he gets back on his feet.

Speaker 2 Look at you, big dog. You're almost a man now.

Speaker 2 I am sorry that I missed all those soccer games.

Speaker 2 Multiple birthday parties and that play you were in, I think it was called A Drowning in the NFC.

Speaker 2 I wish I could have been there more, but I think about you.

Speaker 1 Okay. Let's see.
We're all here as a family, Dallas, and we want to talk to you

Speaker 1 about what's been going on. And

Speaker 1 I understand that your frustration and where you're coming from right now, because you're,

Speaker 1 in some ways, we see that you're trying your best, but you have to understand, Dallas,

Speaker 1 we're poor.

Speaker 1 We're poor. And we know that you need more

Speaker 1 than we have to give you.

Speaker 1 And we know Grandpa Jerry is,

Speaker 1 you know, he might be going through some things and we're a little concerned about him, too. And we just want you to know this is not your fault, Dallas.

Speaker 1 Jerry?

Speaker 1 Jerry, come on. Stay out of this.
Let us handle it.

Speaker 1 Jordan?

Speaker 7 We tried to set a hard boundary with Jerry as well, because I know the late-night phone calls and the...

Speaker 7 the visuals of him drinking and just carrying on and just talking and talking to you at all hours of the night. I know that's caused you some stress, Dallas.

Speaker 7 And like, we're trying to set a hard boundary, but I think

Speaker 7 we really are trying to reach you in explaining to you what's going on with us right now as a family. Because I know it can be confusing.

Speaker 7 You see the Lamborghini out front and you see us, you know, we're shopping at Erewhon every week and sometimes Whole Foods, just, you know, for people to see us.

Speaker 7 And I know we don't have furniture in every room in the house. And I know we can only heat one room at the time.
But it's about appearances.

Speaker 7 And you just have to understand that as you mature, that you have to at least keep up the facade that you're doing well, even if there's no furniture in the bathroom.

Speaker 1 Do you understand, son, what we're trying to say to you?

Speaker 4 Fine.

Speaker 1 What? Uncle Mark, what do you have to say?

Speaker 2 Well, I'm going to come from a little bit of a different angle.

Speaker 7 This guy just freaking got here.

Speaker 2 You know, like, I think we spend most of our life

Speaker 2 trying to please the parents, right, Dallas? And sometimes we

Speaker 2 have no more need when we're young for parental advice than a cat has for pajamas. Like, I think that you're going through your own journey and your parents, they're wonderful people.

Speaker 2 The mom is a little wound up, but

Speaker 2 you're dealing with a lot because your parents' value system seems different than what's happening with you at the core. And I feel for you as someone that always

Speaker 1 didn't please my own,

Speaker 1 stay out of this.

Speaker 2 Jerry,

Speaker 1 you know, into the living room.

Speaker 7 Dan, we talked about boundaries. Come on.

Speaker 1 I can't control them.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry, Uncle Mark.

Speaker 2 No, I just think that sometimes

Speaker 2 it's okay to let

Speaker 2 someone like Dallas, who I've not spent more than roughly three months with in the last 12 years, to have their own journey and to find their own way without you know you two coming in and not to get in the way not to get in the way but it's just like a lot of you know it's your value system put on on dallas are you are you quite finished because

Speaker 7 you showed up this morning or rather with delusions of grandeur pass rushers and trade deadline and corner a corner will solve everything no We don't even have a toilet in the GD bathroom, Mark.

Speaker 1 It's a problem. And again, Dallas,

Speaker 1 your mother and your uncle, the only reason they're fighting is because we just care a lot about you. We're going to see what we can do.

Speaker 1 You know, see if maybe we could bring in someone from the outside next week ahead of the deadline to help you.

Speaker 1 But understand, money's tight. I just,

Speaker 1 yeah, we just made that decision to heat the in-ground swimming pool 24-7, 365.

Speaker 1 And that's not something I'm willing to come off of. Neither is your mother.

Speaker 7 I'm not giving up my Birkin.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah,

Speaker 1 the Birkin staying here, the yoga, the tennis lessons, all that stuff is not stuff we're going to move off. But just know that we're proud of you.
We know you're doing best, the best you can.

Speaker 1 And we, quite frankly, you're doing a little better than we thought you would because we've kind of put you into position to fail and you haven't quite done that. So hang in there, squirt, okay?

Speaker 1 And by the way, Uncle Mark is going to be staying in your room while he gets on his feet. And we're very happy that Uncle Mark's here and and um

Speaker 2 i'll take the bed you take the you take the cot

Speaker 7 luckily we have a twin-size air mattress just for you

Speaker 1 i hate you

Speaker 1 all right obnoxious all right let's go all right that was you know i thought that went pretty well um

Speaker 1 uh and i get why he hates us you know what i mean totally yeah it's one of those things yeah

Speaker 1 all right let's uh let's go down the hall we have a we have a bunch of of kids that we have an issue with.

Speaker 7 I want

Speaker 7 problems,

Speaker 1 all right. This is um

Speaker 1 maybe the first mistake we made is we named this child Atlanta, but uh

Speaker 1 it's a nice nice city, though.

Speaker 1 So let's go in there and let's have a conversation and just try to get through.

Speaker 1 Yep, okay, here we go.

Speaker 7 I'll try not to fight with you this time, Mark, but sidebar, like, keep it together, okay?

Speaker 1 I just, I have, I speak my mind.

Speaker 1 Hey, Atlanta.

Speaker 1 Turn off this damn rock music. The song sounds familiar.

Speaker 1 All right. Your mother and I want to talk to you after what happened over the weekend.
This is your uncle Mark, by the way.

Speaker 1 He spent the last three years in Southeast Asia working on his erotic fiction novel. He's going to be in the big city tomorrow to find a publisher.

Speaker 2 Yeah, how you doing, Champ?

Speaker 2 I'd love to get to know you better, and I think that I've been well introduced for that to be an easy setup.

Speaker 1 Jor, come on, just hang in. I'm trying.

Speaker 7 Dan, I'm trying, okay? I'm trying.

Speaker 1 Jay, it's okay. We'll talk about it later.
He's trying.

Speaker 1 Jordan, he's trying too. Okay.

Speaker 7 Okay. He's trying.
I just, I missed my brother, okay? That's all.

Speaker 1 I understand. All right.
That's. Listen, Atlanta, we're not mad.

Speaker 1 We're disappointed.

Speaker 1 You told us that this would be different, this year would be different, that we trusted you. We spoiled you.
We brought those pass rushers that you asked for for your birthday.

Speaker 1 We've given you everything you could want. We gave you the quarterback.

Speaker 1 Your other uncle, Uncle Kirk, we kind of kicked him to the curb. And

Speaker 1 yet,

Speaker 1 you know, your mother and I and also Uncle Mark are just disappointed because,

Speaker 1 Jordan, like this isn't, this isn't what we signed up for. It's too much of this

Speaker 1 hot and cold, and we need more consistency from you because we know what you're capable of.

Speaker 7 And we know you're a gifted child. Like, you excel in so many areas.
You have so much talent in so many aspects of your life.

Speaker 7 You know, what I think I'm really disappointed in is, first of all, I keep finding your dad's pistol under your pillow. Please stop messing with, please stop playing with your dad's pistol, okay?

Speaker 7 Just as much. You guys can go out to the range, right? But just please stop using it as much as you are.

Speaker 7 And listen, we got problems, Dan, okay? Like,

Speaker 7 you just got to lock that thing up, all right?

Speaker 1 Okay, all right, I will. I'll put it in the suitcase with the lock thing.
Okay, great.

Speaker 7 It's just, we have this gifted child, and he's, he's running himself into brick walls over and over and over again, despite. all the talent that he has.

Speaker 7 You know, I don't know if it's, we put him in AP courses, we mix up his coursework or his course load schedule, you know, we get him different teachers.

Speaker 7 I don't know, I'm at a loss with this one.

Speaker 1 Uncle Mark, um, Uncle Mark is a good person to help you here, Justin, because Atlanta, because um,

Speaker 1 he's been through it himself and he's had his ups and downs, and he's the first to tell you. And look at him, he's going to the big city tomorrow with that erotic novel

Speaker 1 that he hasn't shown us yet, but we believe that he actually did write it. Um, Uncle Mark, go ahead.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think sometimes

Speaker 2 you need a little time away. It was, you know, just a couple weeks ago in between

Speaker 2 Thailand and here that I flew to Manitoba, just decided one morning to go, spent two weeks in a cluster of cabins with a group of men and women.

Speaker 2 campfires, group food, learned a lot, slept outside in sleeping bags. We had a pig roast.

Speaker 2 You've got to maybe go out of the orb a little bit and out of your experience and certainly your parental experience.

Speaker 1 Get him on track.

Speaker 2 Get your parents. That's what I'd say.
Maybe an adventure. I know you're a little young for that.
He's not anymore, Dan.

Speaker 1 He is. He's your brother.

Speaker 7 That's not my responsibility anymore. Ever since Dan died.

Speaker 2 You know, it's just the same as when we grew up. I see all the same things over and over again.
That's why I went where I went, okay?

Speaker 1 You understand? You do this.

Speaker 7 You do this. You gaslight me into thinking that it's my fault that you took it on.

Speaker 1 Enough, enough, enough, enough. Look at her at this point.
Son, do you understand? Do you understand what we're telling you? You have everything in front of you.

Speaker 1 We've given you everything that you need to be successful, and it's now time for you to stop letting us down. You're a disappointment, and I won't stand for it because you carry our name.

Speaker 2 Do you understand, Atlanta?

Speaker 1 Yes, but. No, no, no, no, no, but nothing.
Listen, and whatever your Uncle Mark just said to you, don't do that.

Speaker 1 Lock in. You got it? Lock in.

Speaker 7 We just need some consistency.

Speaker 1 Yes, enough.

Speaker 1 Damn it. All right.
All right. That's it.
Not bad.

Speaker 1 I think we might have gotten through to him.

Speaker 1 What do you guys think?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 7 I just can't quit this kid. I just feel, I always feel so much hope.

Speaker 7 You know, he's going to turn out. He's going to be better than us.
He's going to break some cycles that we're in. You know, maybe we're putting too many expectations on him, Dan.
I mean, is it us?

Speaker 7 Is it us as the parents?

Speaker 7 Like, maybe it's our fault.

Speaker 1 You know, you know my feeling about Atlanta. Always a disappointment.
Will never amount to anything. But I know that you guys have felt differently about him in the past.

Speaker 1 And I'm just, you know, this is just something I've already accepted that he's a sunken cost as a progeny.

Speaker 1 But maybe he'll surprise us.

Speaker 2 That would have no effect on one son.

Speaker 7 No wonder we're in therapy.

Speaker 1 All right, here we go. It's not a laughing matter.

Speaker 1 Let's one more child to talk to.

Speaker 1 He

Speaker 1 remember to address him by his nickname. He's he's very strong about that.
He likes to go by steel,

Speaker 1 and he's another one,

Speaker 1 you know what I mean? That's all

Speaker 1 he's another one that we have to deal with. Like, our house is an absolute shit show right now.

Speaker 2 Well, the music alone in every room.

Speaker 1 What is up with this song? All right,

Speaker 1 must be a hit.

Speaker 1 Hey, turn off that fing song.

Speaker 1 I swear to God.

Speaker 1 Listen, Steele.

Speaker 1 You know what the stakes are here. You're our special little boy.

Speaker 1 You are the one where we count on you.

Speaker 1 You've shown

Speaker 1 when you were younger that you could be great.

Speaker 1 But for too long now,

Speaker 1 you have not. been doing anything other than just wasting away in this bedroom.
And, you know, the whole town, you have to understand this. And I was talking to your mother about this.

Speaker 1 And by the way, your uncle Mark is here. He fell down a well during a family reunion several decades ago.
We only just recently found him alive.

Speaker 2 Hey, kid, a little down on your luck. I can see.
I can see you got talent, but I see where your parents are coming on this one.

Speaker 2 I'm not sure about the other two kids, but you're their special little guy. And it's time to get up, get going, take a shower, get moving, get active, be part of life.

Speaker 2 Life is out there waiting for you.

Speaker 1 That was a man that was down a well for 34 years, and he understands that no day should be taken for granted. And Jordan, you know, I was talking to your mother about this.

Speaker 1 You know, the whole town is counting on you.

Speaker 1 The pirates are a joke. Sidney Crosby is almost 40.
It's about to be cold and gray for seven straight months. Like, this city needs steel,

Speaker 1 and you're not giving enough right now.

Speaker 7 We just know you have so much more substance to you, Steel. And by the way, we'll talk about that nickname because maybe it's time to grow out of it a little bit.
But

Speaker 7 you have spent so much time and effort on some of these things, invested all of your allowance for the last several months on these surface level things that aren't making a real difference in your life.

Speaker 7 And I don't know if your dad will tell you. I know you kind of got it from him, but you know, we'll just have to talk about it honestly and bluntly.

Speaker 7 These are just cosmetic changes, you know, the hair gel and the different pomades and the colognes and, you know, spending all of this money on things that are not actually changing your life in any way.

Speaker 7 They're just sort of masking the issue. We know you have substance to you.
We know it. We believe in you.
We're your parents and your uncle, I guess.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what do you got to say, Uncle Mark?

Speaker 2 Well, when it comes to masking issues, I can see someone in the room here that has been doing that for quite a while.

Speaker 2 And, you know, I was the one that decided I'm going to do the honest thing and maybe I'm not going succeed in front of my family, and I'll go be something else.

Speaker 2 But I see something a little bit different in you, um, Steele.

Speaker 2 I don't think you should change your name for these guys, it may be something where you've just detached from some of your parents' ways of thinking, and you're on a little bit of a strike in your room.

Speaker 2 See what he's doing right here, a little bit of a strike. Maybe I support you.

Speaker 1 There's a very low steel strike of this. That is

Speaker 1 smiles. Uncle Jerry, get out of here.
I didn't even get in the house.

Speaker 7 We got to change the locks. We just have to.

Speaker 1 You know what? You said it was a good idea to bring your brother here, and I knew it was a bad idea.

Speaker 7 I'm trying to be welcoming.

Speaker 1 Saboteur.

Speaker 7 I didn't know he was going to encourage a kid strike, okay? Like, I'm trying to be welcoming. I haven't seen him in years.
He was in a well. Like, I'm just trying to be the bigger person here.

Speaker 7 And did you hear the shots he's taking at me?

Speaker 1 I know. I understand.

Speaker 1 You guys, there's a lot of baggage that we brought into this room with Steele here. And just remember, that schoolyard bully, the one that's giving you so much trouble, Raven,

Speaker 1 you know, he's coming for you. Okay? So

Speaker 1 if you want to have to deal with him, continue to act like this

Speaker 1 and be hot one day, cold another. Because if you keep doing that, Raven's going to be right in your ass.
Do you understand me?

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 I'll take you to school.

Speaker 1 All right. Hang in there, squirt.

Speaker 1 All right. Well,

Speaker 1 we did the best we could in a lot of ways.

Speaker 1 In a lot of ways.

Speaker 1 Stay right there, and we'll be right back.

Speaker 2 Dan, do you, um, I know this happens to you. Do you remember that doctor's appointment you were supposed to make a while ago? The one that you were meant to book and completely forgot about until now?

Speaker 1 You know that appointment, right? Yeah, I know exactly the one you're referring to. I don't know how you know so much about my personal life, but go on.

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Speaker 1 Thanks, Mark. I appreciate that compliment.
You're welcome.

Speaker 1 All right. We are back.

Speaker 1 Man, that felt...

Speaker 1 That was a little too close to home, I thought in some ways. You know, that family dynamic where everyone starts on the same side and then things kind of spin

Speaker 1 in a different direction.

Speaker 1 You try to seal up one hole on the dam and then there's two more on the opposite side. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 There were certain narratives I didn't have to create. Let's put it that way.

Speaker 7 My favorite, I love the freewheeling spirit uncle who just shows up. Right.

Speaker 1 Tries to see that. A little too comfortable too.
Just giving out advice.

Speaker 7 Yeah, a little like trying to fix things, you know? Like, leave it to, let's leave it to the parents, Mark. All right.
Let's leave it to the parents.

Speaker 2 I get that. in in my mark role i get that this mark this mark yeah

Speaker 1 um all right let's uh before we say goodbye jordan is um

Speaker 1 you know

Speaker 1 so kind to visit the show anything on the uh the athletic side any like before we get into thursday night football uh any um pieces you want to promote let us know what you're working on in your new role as a national uh senior correspondent president governor homecoming queen I forgot your title.

Speaker 1 It's great, though.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I would love for everyone to go check out a project I recently released on the evolution of the tight end position.

Speaker 7 Basically, over the summer, I got to travel across all these different teams and across the country and learn from some of the best to play the position. And that's up now at the athletic.

Speaker 7 It came out over the weekend. So, would love for everyone to go check that out.
The other thing I'm working on is figuring out when to sleep. So, I'll get back to you on that one.

Speaker 1 You're a grinder. You're a grinder.
No doubt the work ethic that was instilled in you as a child in your own bedroom.

Speaker 7 You can never stop, ever.

Speaker 1 Nothing to break down, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so check all that out. Very proud of Jordan as she continues her ascent through the industry.

Speaker 1 Thursday night football.

Speaker 1 Ravens at Dolphins.

Speaker 1 Thank God Lamar's playing. I mean, if I, not with all due respect to Snoop Huntley, who did a great job in week eight,

Speaker 1 essentially saving their season,

Speaker 1 this is a game that needs a little bit of juice, and the apparent return of Lamar Jackson will do just that. Do we have some Lamar sound gravy?

Speaker 4 Yeah, this is actually about the locker room games being

Speaker 1 a follow-up then. Yeah, let's start with that because I like this.

Speaker 1 Yeah, trope alert in full effect. There was the storyline last week that they removed all of the games, not just the ping pong table, but it actually got a little bit over the top at that.

Speaker 1 There's a arcade, there are arcade games,

Speaker 1 cornhole,

Speaker 1 I think there was a popcorn machine.

Speaker 1 There was all sorts of stuff going on. And the understanding was that it was John Harbaugh and that trope of all tropes from the coaching staff.
Guys aren't playing well. Take away the fun.

Speaker 1 Distractions. No, it turns out the players decided it.
Nay, Lamar Jackson himself. Listen in.

Speaker 5 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 5 I told Kaniko,

Speaker 5 our head equipment guy, I told him to take all the games and ping pong, turn the TVs off. If we could have set the TVs out, they would have been out too.
But

Speaker 5 I appreciate Mr. Steve for putting that in there for us, you know.
But

Speaker 5 yeah, we had to focus. I wouldn't say people don't take the job seriously don't get me wrong, but like...

Speaker 5 I didn't feel like it was the time for that. You know,

Speaker 5 we got a lot of work to do.

Speaker 7 What's it gonna take to get the back end?

Speaker 5 Keep winning. Keep winning.

Speaker 1 Keep winning. Could we not go for a year or so? All right, that's good.

Speaker 1 I love the inherent silliness of

Speaker 1 this entire storyline.

Speaker 1 And then you have that one woman behind him that's like a PR flag for the team staring at Lamar with the most serious face I've ever seen as he talks about, yeah, the air hockey machine, it could come back, and we just got to win, you know, but the cotton candy maker, that's only if we clinch, you know, a division.

Speaker 1 I mean, these are the things that we talk about, Jordan, when teams are searching for it.

Speaker 7 The whole episode has themes of parenting because it seems like he's kind of punishing his kids. GC, GC, right?

Speaker 7 Yeah, it's like it's one of those things where, I mean, everyone's got different motivational tactics.

Speaker 7 I don't necessarily take a lot of stock into this kind of thing because if you can't enjoy going to work,

Speaker 7 you got bigger problems.

Speaker 7 And so I'm kind of skeptical of all of this, but I mean, it's better than like what a players-only meeting or some other stuff that you see these other teams doing, including the team they're playing

Speaker 7 this Thursday night. So I don't know.
I don't take a lot of stock in it.

Speaker 2 I'm a little over the hot potato nature of this story where we keep getting like fresh updates every two days about how it went down.

Speaker 2 I do bet you there are a percentage of individuals because it was like the ping-pong table was John Harbaugh's favorite thing to do. I mean, outside of work.

Speaker 2 And there's got to be a percentage of people that are just sort of quietly annoyed at Lamar Jackson for doing that as a one-man show. It wasn't a bunch of veterans deciding to do it.

Speaker 2 He just decides to do it. And Mr.
Steve, you know, has to deal with the new storage space for all the trinkets and barbecue.

Speaker 1 Mr. Steve.
I like that.

Speaker 2 That's what he called him.

Speaker 1 Steve Bishoti. Yeah, that is a name.
That's one way to put it. Steve Bashoti.

Speaker 1 I still remember after they won the Super Bowl going into that Ravens locker room and he had those big gleaming choppers on him, sitting backwards with a

Speaker 1 sitting in a chair, AC Slater style backwards, cap turned backwards, big gleaming choppers, and he's just chomping on a cigar. Just like,

Speaker 1 oh, this is why like rich dudes want to be sports owners so they can do this cool move. You know what I mean? Whose dog is that? Whose dog is that?

Speaker 2 Not mine.

Speaker 1 I think that, you know, speaking of parental,

Speaker 1 look, Jordan is getting up to take care of the dog. I hope she doesn't punish the dog.
It's just, it's a beast. A beast is going to beast sometimes.
That's just a matter of time.

Speaker 2 She can't be controlled verbally.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 I hope she doesn't lash it or do anything.

Speaker 1 Anyway, so here's the deal, Mark, with the Ravens. And I know you're annoyed about the Ravens, but this is the situation they're in.

Speaker 1 The Steelers are, as we just talked about, they could be going into their typical

Speaker 1 mid-season or late season malaise where they come back to the pack. They could be a 500 team by the end of week nine.

Speaker 1 The Bengal, not only did they blow that game against the Jets at home, Joe Flacco is potentially out week nine. He's got an AC joint sprain.

Speaker 1 So you have this whole division as Jordan rejoins us. You have this whole division that's really up for grabs.

Speaker 1 All the Ravens have to do, if they come out of this week with a win, welcome back, Jordan, if they come out of Thursday night where they bank two wins in four days,

Speaker 1 people are going to view this division totally differently.

Speaker 1 So here is their opportunity. Let's see what they do, Mark.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because I think the Tyler Huntley victory was a coup d'état for a team that you thought might drop another game. But this matchup-wise

Speaker 2 is a pretty great spot for the Ravens' offense.

Speaker 2 Number one, it's Lamar's hometown. He's got like a ton of family and friends there.
He's probably agitated and motivated to quiet ideas that he can't stay healthy for a full season.

Speaker 2 And then you've got Jordan the Dolphins defense, which is allowing a league high completion percentage.

Speaker 2 I think Derrick Henry's going to get right in this game in a big way and blast through Miami's front.

Speaker 2 Now, then I look at what Miami did a week ago against Atlanta, and I'm like, I don't know what to expect from the Dolphins this week.

Speaker 2 That was an odd, but that was the Falcons, one of our disappointing children.

Speaker 7 It's just a gift from Justin to me right there, I think. No, I mean, so I feel like I want to see if this performance by the Dolphins defense last week was a blip or not.

Speaker 7 Like, I tend to think it was based on data from the entire season. They've looked awful, just like a sieve, especially against the run game, and they can't rush the passer.

Speaker 7 So, I think that that's really what I'm looking at.

Speaker 7 Pat Ricard being back is sneakily such a big factor in this game for activating the run game the way that the Ravens want to, especially in disguising some of the RPO and some of the option stuff that they do run with Lamar.

Speaker 7 And so, I think that that's going to be important and certainly tough for Miami to defend regardless, but very tough when you have a multi-positional player like that who's changing some of their personnel.

Speaker 7 absolute wagon

Speaker 1 yes true um

Speaker 1 yeah i want to point out someone on the dolphins side who's really um one of those sneaky annoying fantasy situations where you're like oh why didn't i think of that that was stupid i should have went and gotten jalen waddle after uh tyreek hill um went down with that ghastly knee injury because he is now kind of the focal point of this offense you've seen it um you know uh in October.

Speaker 1 He's got a 10.

Speaker 1 He's got a 9, excuse me, 6 for 110 and a touchdown. He's also got an 8 for 95.

Speaker 1 He's also got 6 for 95. He's also got a 5 for 99 and a touch.
So he is finding his role as like the alpha now in that offense. So keep an eye on the Tua-Towadle connection.

Speaker 1 And, you know, this is the number 17 in our power rankings, Ravens against the number 27 Dolphins.

Speaker 1 And just like the Jets,

Speaker 1 you know, messing up Cincinnati, the Dolphins can now play a similar spoiler role against the Ravens.

Speaker 1 Because, like I said, if the Ravens win this game, let me take a look, Jordan, at their upcoming schedule.

Speaker 1 If they could bank another win here at Minnesota, at Cleveland, home Jets the next three weeks. So this is their chance for momentum.

Speaker 7 Yeah, 100%. And I think Miami probably prefers.

Speaker 7 to be considered or like to not really be considered or to not really be thought of because the second that they've started to like shed some of these expectations that they came in with, including, you know, how high power that offense was supposed to be.

Speaker 7 And then they had injuries and Mike McDaniel on the hot seat and Chris Greer on the hot seat, they sort of seem to shed all of this stress and just start playing, actual, like playing football, which, as it turns out, is working for them, especially when they're being, I think, underestimated by some of their opponents.

Speaker 7 This offense.

Speaker 7 for Miami looks great, and I'm still not totally buying into the Ravens defense, which is coming along and has gotten better over the last two games, but still is a little bit shaky to me.

Speaker 7 So there's some potential for an upset here, but

Speaker 7 I just don't think that you're not going to see the Ravens roll right through them. But there is some berserker potential, as Mark would say.

Speaker 2 What kind of three-week journey would it be for Mike McDaniel to be where he was at the beginning of October to now if they pull this off on Thursday night? Because, I mean, it is an outlier.

Speaker 1 What a ride.

Speaker 2 Yes, Justin. Thank you.

Speaker 2 But that Falcons game is just like, it was a weird week, but like, I don't know what to make of it right now. Like, are they, it doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 2 It's hard to evaluate that game because it was different than almost all their other games on defense.

Speaker 1 I'm with you. I think this is a close game.
I think

Speaker 1 the other big part of the game is, does Lamar, Lamar is coming back, it sounds like, but does Lamar come back and does he make it through the game? It's a hamstring. And that's, and does it change,

Speaker 1 are they more in a protection mode where they're going to, you know, have a more

Speaker 1 reined in game plan for some of designed, you know, run-type things for Lamar. I would imagine so, that they would try to ease him back in, but they got to win the game.
I think this is a game that,

Speaker 1 shoot, I'm going to pick an upset here. I'm going to pick an upset.
I'm going to say all this talk about the Ravens getting hot. They could still make the playoffs, even with a loss here.

Speaker 1 It would really damage them, though, but they can. And I think the Dolphins are playing better and playing loose because they got nothing to lose.
28-25 is my pick.

Speaker 1 Hmm.

Speaker 2 I don't see an upset, but I think it's going to be closer than people think. It's going to be, I've got it

Speaker 2 26, 19 Ravens.

Speaker 7 I mean, yeah, I'm still picking the Ravens just because they have to sort of shed this

Speaker 7 like wobbliness reputation that they've got right now. And so I'm still, I'm going to, I'm going to have them going scoring 28 points.
I think the Dolphins will score too, though.

Speaker 7 So I'm going to do 28, 17 Ravens win.

Speaker 1 Okay. There you go.
Week Week nine. How about that? Week nine.

Speaker 7 We're already here. Holy cow.

Speaker 1 That is insane. All right.
Jordan, you've said it all.

Speaker 7 I'll just go myself.

Speaker 1 You've said it all.

Speaker 1 And we appreciate you. And we've missed you.
And now we've been reunited.

Speaker 7 It's so great to see you guys.

Speaker 7 I was hoping Justin hit me with

Speaker 7 the full sequence of drops here. And I got it.

Speaker 1 He did. That's why Justin's here.

Speaker 7 I love it.

Speaker 1 At a a certain point, Justin stopped producing and just went through the Jordan folder and was just like firing off.

Speaker 7 Loser, loser, double, loser, as if whatever, get the picture. Doy.

Speaker 7 It's great to see you guys. Awesome to see you.

Speaker 1 Always it is. Let's catch up soon in the area by the sea in which you're.

Speaker 1 All right, cool. And everybody else,

Speaker 1 have a great midweek, hump day. We'll be back on Thursday.

Speaker 1 Anything else to add? Ceci

Speaker 2 I do want to mention that in the other room my son Luke is here and he turns 15 today and

Speaker 1 I can't believe he's 15 that's kind of crazy

Speaker 2 I'm not really Uncle Mark I'm I also am a father but I think we have a little picture of him here Justin if that's possible but um he's a wonderful kid he's very resilient uh he's you know, he's, I've seen him go through a lot, and like, he's got a heart of gold.

Speaker 2 So I think after this, we're gonna go get some lunch and hang out and just celebrate. He's 15, that blows my mind.
Like, I remember when he was like one day old, so that's how it works.

Speaker 1 This is insane. I remember when he was born, that's how long we've known each other, Ceci.
Um, and uh, send our guards to the great Luke Sessler. What a cheat!

Speaker 1 Happy birthday to Luke! Happy birthday! All right, see you in a day. Have a great night, Jordan.
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