From Reddit Rage to Real Connection: How Ajay Learned that Women Actually Like Good Guys!

Biggest piece of advice for guys is like, if you're currently on Reddit, get off Reddit.

Fuck Reddit.

It's a terrible place.

Ajay, welcome to the pod, man.

Thanks for being here.

Yeah, you're welcome.

It's good to be here with you.

I like being a city boy, talking to a rugged, outdoorsy man like yourself.

You know, if you and I should do like a body switching movie, like a freaky friday type thing where you end up in new york city and i am out in the great outdoors hiking mountains and shit

i think that would be a huge hit

i think that'd be really fun i mean i've thought about it

so freaky friday it'd be uh uh uh wacky wednesday anyway

uh let's talk about some of the successes you've had working with me.

And frankly, I'm just a coach.

I'm only as good as my clients.

I like to say the guys who I talk to, I'm not a wizard.

I'm just a dating coach who's been doing this for 20 years.

I'm only as good as my clients.

And you've had some really awesome successes I want to talk about.

I like to start off with some of the issues that you were facing that first sent you to me that you were struggling with in the area of approaching women, self-confidence and those areas.

So my first question is,

in our very first call where you said, hey, coach, I'm looking for somebody to help me, you said that you, quote, fear women and that you were afraid of something bad would happen.

If you approach a woman, there's something to be afraid of.

Can you unpack what you were afraid of?

What that fear felt like and how you feel now?

Yeah, okay.

So,

you know, it's funny.

You sent me that question.

I remember saying that,

and so I can't fully remember what exactly I was afraid of.

Having gotten to the opposite side of this.

Okay, so I remember the main thing wasn't just necessarily about afraid of women specifically.

It was like I was afraid of just people in general and them finding out like who I was.

Like, I would say unironically, but it would sound like a joke.

It's like, you know, I'm afraid of people finding out that I'm straight, you know, like that I like women because maybe that was like a California thing or like a, you know, I went to a liberal college, lived in this very liberal feminist commune at the time.

And

it was not very cool to be straight.

I was just afraid that like, you know, if I were to make a romantic advance on a woman or like if they were to find out that I have any sexual feelings or thoughts at all, that those things were impure, like they were dirty, they were predatory, and that women did not want these things and that it would like ruin my moral character.

Like I've had this obsession for most of my life of like, you know, being a good person.

And being very, you know, stand-up and moral.

I was an Eagle Scout and all that stuff.

Fought while I lab fire in the Forest Service.

And I didn't want that reputation, that image to be tarnished by, I don't know, people getting mad at me because I made a move on a woman and she didn't like it or something like that, right?

Right.

And in hindsight, I'm looking, thinking, like, I was way overblown.

Like, I was crazy.

And so were some of the people I was surrounded by at some points in my life.

But like,

that was real for me.

Like, when I started working with you, like, I was fully convinced that if my female friends knew like that I wanted a partner or that I just wanted like casual sex or something that

you know, they would think less of me as a as a person.

So.

Yeah.

I also remember you mentioning

having this belief, this feeling about, oh, I don't want to get kicked out of society or shunned, right?

Do you remember talking about that with me early on?

Oh, yeah, though for sure.

I mean, I still got to catch myself on that one.

Like that fear never completely went away for me because it's such a deep part of my psyche.

But like, yeah, that was a huge one.

I was so afraid of like, what if I approach a woman at this store or at, you know, insert place here and everybody sees because I get rejected.

And then they're like, hey, man, like some bouncer, like white knight guy comes up and he's like, hey, man, that's not cool.

You got to get out of here.

Like we respect women around these parts.

Right.

You're doing something creepy and wrong by talking to a woman with romantic interest or even thinking about that, right?

Pretty much.

And the worst part is also like, wait, but I respect women.

And they're like, no, you don't.

You just like went up to her.

This is the drama that was playing out in my mind, right?

No, it's very common.

I think actually the most universal,

the universal pushback that I hear from men is

in terms of what keeps them from walking up and talking to a woman is I don't want to be a creep.

I don't want to be bothering them or be seen as a creep, be seen like I'm doing something wrong, because that leads to all these potential consequences in the mind which in your case were things like oh I'll end up on what tick tock will say I'm the world's biggest creep or the security guy will kick me out what was the catastrophe playing in your head you know what's funny this whole time you're talking about tick tock I've never used it

I've never got into it actually been on socials at all now but like

I was more afraid of I guess Reddit was my drug of choice.

I was afraid of being blown up on Reddit as one of those posts I would see because I would look to Reddit for relationship advice.

So all this stuff I was internalizing was our relationships.

And it was like things like, you know, men of San Francisco, we need to be better.

Like, you know, there was all these guys at this social event, like trying to talk to girls and hit on them.

And like, you know, everyone was like, oh my God, what's wrong with that?

Why can't they just go there and be friendly?

And so something like that, it was not just about the internet per se.

It was more about real life, like people that I knew in real life or like being banned from like environments.

And I had this totally irrational fear that like, like, the entire city would turn against me, you know, like I would develop some reputation, and some guy would see me somewhere else, like, hey, you're that guy that creepily approaches women.

Right.

Yeah.

That awful straight man

who talks to the females to try to keep the species alive.

What a weirdo.

Well, talk about it if you would.

Let's talk about the flip side.

It probably wasn't a specific moment or approach, or maybe it was.

I don't want to lead the witness here.

What shifted for you?

Was there a moment or

a series of women you met or talked to or actions you took where you realized, hey, nothing bad's going to happen.

Some women want to talk to me.

Some blow me off.

And

the society of police are not going to send me to Canada.

When did you have that realization?

That's a good question.

I mean, I think the improvement started a little bit small because, I mean, for the record, you know this already, right?

But for the listeners, like that fear never happened.

I did so many like approaches and not all of them went well.

A lot of them went poorly.

They were awkward and stuff.

I never got kicked out of society.

Nobody cared.

I doubt any of these people even remember who I was.

But even with that happening, I was on, you were never on the phone a lot about this.

And I was just like, Connel, they're going to know.

Or like, I'm I'm so scared.

And you're like, but you haven't been like blown out yet.

And I was like, hoping it's gonna happen.

You know, it wasn't until like week 12.

Right, you didn't even have like bad rejections for a long time.

Yeah.

I don't think I ever had a bad rejection this whole time.

How many remembers you talked to with me?

I don't remember.

Hundreds?

Not hundreds.

Dozens?

It wasn't as much as in college.

It was, yeah, I'd say dozens at least.

But after a while, it's like the ones that don't go well, I just forgot about them because the ones that went really well, like they went really well.

So probably like the moment where it really clicked was when I went on that rafting trip.

So I joined like a social club.

And

because one of the biggest things for me, too, if you remember this, like was I told you in the beginning, I was like, my problem is that I don't know where to meet women.

Like there's no women around where I live.

And you said, that's not really a thing.

And I was hesitant about the program because I was like, this guy lives in New York.

He doesn't understand what it's like in Man Jose, like in Sunnyvale, right?

Man Jose.

That's what they call it here.

Like it's just a part of our collective thinking.

Like, if you ask my friends or just 10 people on the street here in my age bracket, like, what they think of dating in San Jose, and even the successful ones, they'll mention it.

They'll be all like, oh yeah, it's harder because of the ratio.

And even the guy, like, I know, my friend, who's really good with women, who just gets dates left and right, even he like parrots this idea, right?

So that was where I was coming from.

So I joined the social club and to try to meet women because I realized once you started holding me accountable, I was like, I don't actually go out of my way to talk to that many women.

Like, I'm not actually doing any approaching.

I'm not too scared to go up to the women I just see randomly because it's not a social context.

And I'm not really like aggressively putting myself in social contexts where I could meet women, right?

And when I'd be in those situations, I'd be too afraid to express interest.

So I went on this trip, this drafting trip, armed with, this was week three, man-to-woman communication.

So I just watched the module and I was like,

this seems like bullshit.

Like, I don't know if this actually works.

And

it worked.

Like, it just, it was life-changing.

It was crazy how I just, from the moment I got out of the car, I saw two women next to me.

This was the Russian River in Sonoma County in California on a weekend.

There's like hundreds of people here.

And all of them are here for the same reason to float rubber inner tubes down this river.

And, you know, it's like a big party, like a booze cruise type thing.

And so I was here to meet meet this random club of people that I'd never met before to do this with the group.

And these two gorgeous women are next to me when we're getting changed into our swimsuits.

And so I was like, all right, Connell said I got to approach six women.

So here we go.

And so I just talked to the first woman, was like, hey, you know, I forgot I said, but like, I just think you're super gorgeous and I wanted to kind of meet you.

And she and her friend, like, were not against it.

They were appreciative, if uninterested.

And

the whole day went like that.

Like that whole day was the aha moment where every single group of women that I went to and just opened in the most direct way possible, just saying what I actually wanted to say instead of trying to make it work or be perfect.

They liked it.

They were like beaming.

Like all the groups, they told me like, wow, thank you for coming up, you know?

And the day later ended with me, like, I was talking to this one woman that was in our group that I had joined.

And

we ended up talking for no more than 10 minutes before I just had this moment of inspiration and I pulled her in for a kiss and she liked it.

And this was in front of all of these like people.

This was literally my nightmare, right?

Like I just thought I didn't

just ask her on a date.

I just kissed her like in front of

the entire group.

The guy who's afraid of the society cops, throwing him in prison is now making out with a girl he just met in front of all of her female friends.

Talk about stepping up to your fear and like really changing the game.

So, what happened then?

Um, well, she liked it, she kissed me more.

And then we spent the whole day together just like floating down this river and like holding hands and like flirting and talking about our lives.

It was really fun, it was like a life dream of mine to like have something like that happen, you know.

And that day was crazy, like, on a spiritual level, it changed my idea of what was possible in life and like what a human being,

like a worth of a human being, even was.

What is the worth of a human being?

What is your worth?

What did you have?

What was the realization?

Well, before I was like, you know, I was raised by immigrant parents, right?

So that's where a lot of this dating stuff actually comes from.

That everyone I knew had an arranged marriage when I was a kid, right?

And none of these people were happy in their marriages.

Like, they were forced to marry these people and they would like justify staying by saying things like, you know, like it's not that good.

All relationships take work.

Like, this is about as good as it gets, basically, right?

Like, you can't really expect anything better than like working your ass off.

And, like, there's a limit on what we deserve.

Like, we can't have things that are too good to be true.

And I lumped this kind of thing into that.

Like, I lumped an attractive partner or woman or like hookups, or all this stuff that I thought was quote haram, you know, like forbidden into this category.

And so, when all this stuff started happening, I was like, holy shit, God is weirdly sex positive, positive, you know?

Like,

like, that was what it was.

I was like, I didn't realize God cared.

Like, I thought I have to be running away and hiding my sex life from the all-night.

God likes sex too.

Hey, how do you think we got Jesus?

I mean, it makes it so stupid when you say it out loud because I was like, India has like a billion people there.

I mean, it's not like they got delivered by the stork.

So yeah.

And I love, and I love how in one moment you're kissing this cute girl in the rafting setting.

And you have, what I love is that you are directly at this time walking into the thing that used to scare the shit out of you.

You're like a lion tamer saying, time to get into the lion's den.

And realizing, oh, wait, nothing bad happened.

There's no lions that are going to come and eat me.

In fact,

maybe there's just no lions at all.

It's still a weird concept to wrap my brain around.

Like even now when I go to like events, like recently I went to a Tantra class that I was really interested in, right?

That a friend invited me to.

And I met a woman there.

We hit it off.

I asked her out.

She said, yes, we're seeing each other on Friday.

And,

you know, like

part of me is still in my head about like, what if everybody saw?

Like, I was afraid that I was going to get some sort of phone call from the leader, the teacher,

because they had asked me to come volunteer for them.

That's why I was at this thing, right?

And nothing had happened.

The text I got was like, hey, yeah, we thought you were really cool.

Like, you want to do a trial period of volunteering?

And then, like, you know, you'll just be a part of our team.

And nobody cared, dude.

It was crazy.

Like, it's so weird to wrap my brain around that.

So, well, it's about doing, it's about taking the right action in the right measure.

Yeah.

If you approached a woman and she wasn't interested, and I know you would never do this, but if you then then approached her five more times and harassed her and called her names and didn't look at the woman's social cues, that guy's in fucking trouble and he should be.

But what you're doing is, hey, I'm going to shoot a little shot at romance here.

If she likes it, you got your consent to keep going.

And if she doesn't, you're a gentleman and you'll be like, hey, all good.

Nice meeting you.

I'll let you get back to whatever.

There's nothing to fear within reason, as long as you're going through the world as a gentleman, as a guy who's aware of how women are feeling and adjusting accordingly, which is

all we want to give people in life and give women is a sense of, oh, let me be present.

Let me calibrate, make sure you're comfortable.

If she's comfortable with you, then you're good.

And if she feels uncomfortable, you can say, hey, you know what?

I'll let you go and then live to fight another day.

But yeah.

I love that you had to, I love that you discovered this because you stepped into the thing you were afraid of and just said,

courage, baby.

Yeah.

Um, now the listener is like, What did you say?

How did you kiss her?

What did you say to get all the girls into you?

How did you spark attraction?

What is your

answer to that?

So, in that moment, um, well, one, the module three like missions, you had like a video about this, it's publicly available on YouTube.

The Man the Woman Communication.

That stuff works.

It's not like specific things to say, but more like a way of being that is aggressively or unapologetically not aggressively straight

and

as far as what i said to the girl at the rafting thing um

actually here's what i did you'll love this this is why i thought that god was sex positive it's like i was talking to this woman and i could tell i liked her and that she was really i mean gorgeous you know and i was like I had this realization in that moment where I was like, we're just having a friendly conversation right now and I'm scared to make a move.

I'm thinking about what's the right way to do it, right?

What's the way to do it that's not going to get me judged by anybody and that's going to work?

And I was like, if I continue down this path, this is going to end like every other woman interaction I've ever had, except for, you know, a couple, but with the friend zone, right?

It's going to end with us just parting and never seeing each other again.

That'll just be so boring and like mild, right?

And.

I was like, I'm going to have to take a risk, but I didn't know what.

So I prayed, actually.

I like said a little prayer to my higher power and was like hey like take the wheel like i don't know my own best interest like help me out here and that was when it just came to me like she had this really cute chain around her neck and the chain had a loose end here like it came down the middle so i like picked up the chain and i like gently pulled her in with it and then we like kissed each other um

It was wild.

Like in hindsight, I'm telling this story and I'm like, that's crazy.

So it's the sort of thing you would think wouldn't work and would be considered sexual harassment.

But like in this case, it did.

I think because I went really slow, we had already been having a conversation.

And I also,

I got more clear through doing work in 12-step programs where my part in things was.

Like a lot of this fear about women had to do with like my upbringing, right?

Like my mom was,

it was, it was a bad household.

So like, you know, she tried her best to hold everything together, but part of that was like,

I, as her oldest son, was somewhat responsible for managing her emotions right and she was really afraid of like people outside the house like thinking that we were not the perfect Indian family right and so if I if like she got upset or scared for something it wasn't like oh my god I feel scared and upset right now it was like how could you do that like you did this thing that was wrong and you're bad and the fact that I'm upset is a reflection of that so I learned from a really early age to caretake women's feelings and that women were not to be held responsible for their own boundaries or like for stuff like that.

And that was echoed where in college I had that experience with women where I think a lot of my friends like had a hard time saying no and didn't really want to admit it because they were scared of judgment, just like all of us, you know.

And so

I kept getting these messages.

that I would focus on because it matched my already existing core belief.

So in that moment, after having all that work, I was able to look at the situation differently.

And I was like, look, I'm going to go for this kiss.

She's a big girl.

Like, if she doesn't want it, she's going to say no or push me away or say, get the hell away from me, motherfucker.

That's cool with me, you know?

Like,

and that's the kind of people I want to be around anyway, or like people that I don't have to caretake, like who can take care of themselves, say no to me, you know?

Yeah.

Nice.

And what makes all of this work, other than authenticity, which I preach a lot, is just having empathy and noticing how a woman feels with you.

Actually reading her body language.

Is she smiling or is she frowning?

Is she making it easy for you to go kiss her or is her body language all turned away?

So we have to, and I know you do this, but we have to be really present to how a woman is feeling.

or to the best of our ability because that's telling you what you can or cannot do or what you might try.

And it makes it easier to take some social risks and go for that first kiss.

If she's looking at you and her eyes are really big and she's, you know, licking her lips, hey, that might be a signal.

And if she's not, maybe you don't go for the kiss.

So what I love about you is

what was holding you back before in part was almost like you were being too

safe in saying, oh, I'm not getting a sign held up saying, come and approach me, Ajay.

Right.

That was a little too much safety you were looking for, but you're now like, hey, I'm still reading women.

I'm still noticing how they feel.

But also, there are times when a man has to make a move, and that's part of dating.

Yeah, that was a totally new concept for me.

And that was what's helpful about this whole experience is that you were an experience of like a sane man who like was very, you know, mature, like grounded in reality.

So

I think your takes on things were just fundamentally different than a lot of the feedback I was getting from my social circle before.

And again, again, like, it's more, I'm more used to it now, but there was definitely that period of like taking the red pill.

I'm not going to use that.

Oh, my God.

That has a terrible association in this context.

You know, like the matrix, like waking up and realizing, like, oh my God, like, the sky is blue.

Like, what's up with that?

Well, now that you have all of these past, recent and current experiences, all these approaches, quick, fun, sexy makeouts, good dates, some some love has happened, I'm told.

And I know you're not right now yet with your final girlfriend, whoever she ends up being one day, but you've learned, you've taken so much of your own action.

Here's my next question.

Of all the things that you hear other people having told you, things you read on Reddit, or things your other people have said to you, what's the biggest myth you now know is bullshit?

What's the biggest thing you're like, oh, those guys are wrong.

Ignore that.

You know, this came to me in the last thing we were just talking about.

I don't know if it's the biggest, but one that's really relevant here is I had this idea that like with the whole thing with,

you know, being around people that had a hard time saying no,

it was like, I had this idea that if a woman really wanted it, like that she would be holding up the sign.

I mean, that's an exaggeration, but basically I was expecting women to like make the first move or to make it really easy for me.

Or that like I would see other guys successfully flirting and take that as evidence of like no woman has ever actually wanted me.

You know, except maybe, but here's the thing, Connell: like, the evidence I had for this in my life is I had like, let's say, two women who did make the first move with me, who did make it really easy.

Like, I'd been hit on before in like a therapy waiting room once.

It was really sweet, actually.

She could tell she was nervous, but she came up and she was talking to me and she like complimented my glasses and was like, oh my God, you must be so smart.

You have the smart guy glasses.

And I was like, I got these for $4.99 on ready.com.

They're cheap guy glasses.

You're a smart investor.

You're smart with money.

But, you know, so I thought like

this is what I can look, expect, right?

Is that I don't have power in dating because talking to women is creepy.

They don't want it.

They don't want men to come up to them.

And what they want, if they wanted it, they would have it.

Because I thought that women had so much more power than they actually do.

Like, I thought that they were just these goddesses who had easy lives because they were so privileged and like could pretty much just have whatever guy they wanted if they were willing to follow a simple workout plan.

And this was all just my own resentments and projections and stuff is because I was so confused.

I was like, I was on this elite wildland firefighting crew.

Like I'd been really successful my whole life.

I've been really physically fit.

I've had lots of friends, even female friends.

I was like, what the hell is wrong with me?

And.

That's a hard question, right?

Because like, I was like, I must be so undesirable somehow.

otherwise women would be coming up to me and that's the myth like that just doesn't happen it wasn't until you told me that you're like dude like I dating coach Conan Baird I've been approached twice and I was like yeah it recontextualized those experiences I had of like wow I must be so attractive that two whole women like by my mid 20s have come up to me and made the first move I've been doing this 20 freaking years bro by this I mean actively intentionally working on my dating life yeah 2005 was when I said I'm out of this relationship that wasn't working.

We were both settling.

Time to change the game.

I believe I've been cold approached by two women in 20 years.

Now, other women did show a lot of interest, but that was actually them reacting to my positive social cues.

Like I'm at a bar talking to people, being really lively and...

Connel fucking Barrett, my higher self.

Then a woman might talk to me or might make it clear she wanted me to talk to her.

I'm not counting those.

I'm talking straight up random woman speaking to me, speaking to me out of nowhere twice in 20 years.

So, hey, some guys get approached maybe.

Maybe they're better looking or cooler than me.

But all I know is my own experience.

And it sounds like you were taking what was happening to you before and saying, oh, I guess what's wrong with me?

I'm not enough.

And of course, we know what that creates, that shitty lower self on all the self-doubt.

Yeah.

Totally.

So yeah, I would say that myth is the biggest one.

Like there's a few in there.

One was like that, you know, a woman would come up to you if you were enough.

Like that's not true.

I think women, they're just as messed up as us.

I mean, that's a bad way to put it, but they're, they have their own fears.

Claude?

Yeah.

Claude?

People like we are.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I never thought I'd ever find a woman that I could like relate to who like would have struggled in dating despite being attractive and successful.

But that's not true either.

I met a woman like that.

I met all kinds of women, you know, that was the coolest part about doing this was like just developing, just like getting to have more intimate conversations with a lot of women that I wouldn't normally have those kinds of conversations with.

And it just changed my entire worldview.

So I realized that I'm actually not behind.

I'm not as behind as I thought I was because,

one, I'm only 29.

I'm going to be 30 next month.

And

yeah, it just made, it gave me just like a space to just breathe and be all like, okay, I don't need to chase hookups.

I don't need to do all this.

Like, what is it that I actually want?

And I realized it's like, I want to take my time and find just a steady girlfriend, you know?

Yeah.

So, yeah.

Well, you did something that I really admire.

And

I remember when I first started going to these seminars like 20 years ago, I heard some really sketchy stuff.

I heard some things like guys standing on a stage, essentially

this red pill, toxic women are to blame issues.

One guy said, oh, you know, 80% of women, the children they have, it's not with their partner.

Meaning all women are sluts.

So basically what he was saying.

And I feel like

you were opening these doors on Reddit or hearing, having all this stuff poured into your ears, like, oh, women are, women are just whatever, shallow, or they're different than us, or they're the enemy, or, you know, you should feel shame.

And what I love about what you did, whether you had worked with me or not, is you said,

I think I can do better than that.

I'm going to shut that out and try something different.

And I just say, I just want to say I admire you for closing those doors.

It's really beautiful.

Thanks, man.

Yeah, that's the biggest piece of advice for guys is like, if you're currently on Reddit, get off Reddit.

Fuck Reddit.

It's a terrible place.

Even the parts of Reddit that claim to be virtuous, like they're just as judgmental and shitty as the parts that aren't.

Yeah.

I have peeked into the dark reaches of Reddit, and I am not a fan at all, at least in the dating space.

But anyway, let me turn things over to you.

I want you to play dating coach.

Okay.

Okay.

This is now your podcast for a couple minutes.

I don't mean you don't have to take total control, but give us some dating advice.

Give some approaching tips.

Anything you that we worked on that you did that especially worked well in terms of how you approach or flirting?

Anything at all.

Guys love to hear some practical tips.

Any thoughts from that?

What worked for Ajay?

Ooh, that's a good question i mean it's easy for me to say hiring connell barrett no no no no no but i can't say that okay

i was not teeing you up to say that by the way go to dating transformation.com to hire

connell

okay

commercial okay

so like what would i actually do um

If I'm talking to myself like five months ago, whatever it was, like

here's what I would say to him is

it's hard to distill this down to like moves, honestly, because like that, I think is beside the point.

So I did like the RSD, like the pickup stuff back in like 2016 when it was coming out and simple pickup was pretty good back then, but there was something missing in that.

Like even simple pickup, which was a lot more wholesome, a lot more like sane, I think, than what RSD and some of the other guys were doing.

It was all these like technique things of like, here's how you talk to women.

But I never really got in touch with like why I was doing it and what was holding me back.

And your program did a really good job.

So I would say that, like, do a journaling exercise first.

Like, pull out a pen and a paper and write out like a few things.

Like, one, it's like,

this was a really good one.

A friend made me do this before I hired you.

He said, like, I want you to pull out a pen and a paper and write all women are and just fill in the blank.

And like, highlight anything that you think is really judgmental or like potentially like untrue.

And when I wrote this down, this isn't something I would say on air because I don't want to offend any female listeners, but I needed to do it for me.

Like a lot of it was really, really unkind, right?

Because that's just where I was at at the time.

And,

you know, but when I wrote it, I started realizing contradictions because I had female friends, right?

It's like, okay, no, all women except Kimberly and except for Jen and except for like,

you know, all these other people like are this way.

And it started to make me realize that I was afraid of phantoms, You know?

And then the other thing is like,

what else would I do?

I'll just go out and talk to women.

You know, I would say the biggest thing I did was letting go of perfectionism.

Nice.

A nice big breakthrough I had was like I went to the city to San Francisco.

Because, you know, down here, there is some truth to like, it's harder to meet women in this like particular tech suburb that I live in because there's not a whole lot of opportunities for random social connection.

And so I went to the city.

I rode the train up.

I was like walking around to do my homework, which was spend 90 minutes approaching women.

Right.

And it didn't go so well at first, you know?

And I started getting in my head about like when these women would give me like middling to kind of, oh, okay, like kind of responses.

I was like, did I do something wrong?

Like, am I messing up?

Am I creepy?

Like, would an average guy be able to do way better than that?

Is what I was comparing myself to is this idea of where I should be if I wanted to be an average good person.

Yeah.

Don't do that.

That's my advice.

It wasn't until I started riding my bike somewhere else to the city and processed that and I realized like, look, even if I really want to be like the perfect person, the reality is I'm not.

Like I have these very deep flaws and I have this inexperience and there's no shortcut here, you know?

Like the only way to keep from being the guy you described who would be in trouble, you know, like who's not reading social cues.

I wouldn't say like for for me, it wouldn't necessarily have been that I didn't want to.

It's that, like, some people just can't.

Like, they weren't taught how to, you know, and especially men, like, we're not conditioned to be like that.

And the only way out is to crack a few eggs, frankly, like, go somewhere where no one will recognize you again and like make mistakes, like piss off a few people if you have to.

Like, you're not doing it, like, intentionally.

But if they want to get upset, like, let them be upset, you know?

And it's easier to say that than to actually do it because I feel like shit when other people get upset.

But like, unfortunately, or for better or for worse, I think that's just a part of the journey that is required really to do anything.

Yeah.

Let go of perfectionism.

And

the best approaches are imperfect.

We want them to be committed.

Here's something that hopefully resonates with you.

I don't really care what you say to a woman.

I want you to commit to that approach.

Stand there like you belong there.

Do your best.

Let her hear your voice.

Let her look in your eyes.

Let her deal with you in the best intentioned way.

And then the chips are going to fall somewhere.

I just, I have a brand new client.

I'll call him, his higher self-name is Maverick because he's a pilot.

He loves Top Gun, his favorite movie.

Oh, cool.

Maverick.

I'll call him Michael.

He just did his first, first approach of his life yesterday at age 44.

Walks up to a woman and said, hi, how are you?

Wow.

Michael.

She's like, hi.

And she smiled and had a really great conversation with him.

And hi, how are you?

There's no fancy game there.

That's the most basic thing in the world.

Hey, you commit to it.

You smile.

You own the space.

And women are noticing all the sub-communications that project your authentic core value you bring to people as a man.

Maybe she'll be into him.

Maybe she won't.

So I love imperfect openers.

Like, I don't think I ever gave you this exercise, but I know I've given it to a couple other clients.

So dear listener, here's your approaching mission this week.

Go up to five women this weekend.

And if you're a guy who gets stuck in your head and you don't know what to say, walk up to a woman who you are very intrigued by and walk up and say, hi, I don't know what to say to you.

And then tell your name.

Just own the imperfection of that.

And you might be surprised at the volume, but the vulnerability of that is what makes it so great.

And the honesty.

And you'll come up with something after that.

I don't know what it'll be.

So yeah, perfectionism.

Take it from a a guy who tried too many times to have the perfect witty line.

When I embraced imperfection,

it was more real, more relatable.

And then paradoxically, my witty, funny self would come out because I wasn't trying so hard to be perfect.

Yeah, I mean, a large part of it just has to do with like feeling safe, you know?

Yeah.

I think when people feel safe,

because it is safe, we just don't always feel that way.

And it's easy.

That's what I mean with the breaking eggs.

Like it takes me like usually at least two or three like really awkward interactions before I get going and stuff just starts flowing naturally.

Yeah.

I also would say to the guys like, man, the bar is so much lower than I thought it was.

Like I had this idea that we would have to like measure up to some crazy standard because women had so many options.

Because that's one of the stories people tell around here because we're all in tech.

We're obsessed with hinge, right?

And like statistics and stuff like that.

And it's total bullshit.

Like the bar is so much lower.

Like I literally had a woman tell me on a first date and she was like, I'm so glad you asked me out.

Like, this is a great date.

Like, I really need to get out of my house.

And,

you know, like, I forget exactly the way she worded it, but she told me that I was better than most of the guys on Hinge because I could, quote, tell a joke.

And

that was it, because I could tell a joke.

And there was some other really like basic thing.

And I was like, laughing at her, like, oh, I'm so great.

Like, you're so good at compliments.

Like, I can tell one joke.

That's,

you know

I'll pass I don't mind a low bar, I can jump right over it, and I have a two-inch vertical leap, but if I can jump over it, I'll take it.

No, exactly, and it was just really like this moment of empathy where I was like, oh, yeah, like they want the same thing, they're trying to find Mr.

Wright, too.

And it's like,

they're just like, be normal, just be normal, be chill, listen to me, be a person, you'd be surprised about that.

They're not all out there expecting some Navy Seal Dick alete who went to Harvard and like is a stand-up comic.

You You know, that's not, that doesn't even exist.

Right.

So yeah.

Awesome.

I'll leave you the final word.

Would you like to end with a tip or

a moment that you went out there and achieved that really makes you smile?

Or any final parting words for the guy who's listening to this?

The guy who's listening to this, maybe he hasn't had a date in a long time.

Maybe he wants to approach, but he's afraid to.

Maybe he just feels like, oh, women won't like me.

I'm too brown or I'm too short or I'm too fat or too something.

What would you say to this guy?

Besides higher Connell, besides that.

I think the one that really resonates is the I'm too brown or the I'm too insert ethnicity here.

I had that too with you.

Like you self-deprecate jokes a lot on your content where it's like, oh yeah, I'm a nerdy ginger.

But I didn't see it that way.

I was like, this guy's just pretending that he's a fake self, you know?

For people who don't know what that is, there's on the incel dark corners of the web, they accuse people who they think are too attractive to be fake cells.

Like, oh, you're not actually an incel.

You just have low self-esteem, you know?

Okay.

I'll spoil it.

There's no such thing as a realist.

You're all fake cells.

I was.

Wait, that's not really a thing.

Define fake cell again for those who don't know the term.

So like

an incel is somebody who like, well, this is what they believe, right?

It's like who's so ugly or like genetically like ungifted that there's no hope in in ever of them ever like getting what they want with the opposite sex right

and the frustration is that like when people would come onto their site and say like let's say oh i'm an airline pilot and i'm struggling with women i'm an incel they'd be like you can't be an incel you're a fake cell you know okay like you're just not doing the work right

And so I have a friend who teases me about this all the time.

When I tell him about dating success, he's like, dude, you're a fake cell, man.

So that's what I would say is that there's no such thing as that.

Like, I learned that, I mean, I do want to give big compassion to like, there was that huge part of me that internalized so much racism growing up that, like, I genuinely did believe this, that, like, because I'm brown, because I'm Indian, like, I'm not worth as much as other people.

And especially in dating, like, I'm not going to get attention from women.

Or if I do, it's not going to be because they're attracted to me.

It's because I have.

I don't know, money or something.

I don't actually have money.

I'm an outdoor dirtbag, but you know, like, I thought it would be like something like that.

And it's just not true.

Like, I realize other people are not thinking that way.

Most people have never even heard of an incel like in their lives.

Like, most people don't, are not as mean to me as I am to myself.

And so,

I mean, that was my biggest takeaway is like, don't give up.

Like, you're not broken.

Yeah.

So your old belief was

your heritage, is it Indian?

Yeah.

So you had to have Indian heritage.

Your old belief was, oh, I'm not worth anything to women because I'm Indian Indian in a fairly white country, something like that, right?

Yes, exactly.

And what shift or changes did you see and feel and how you feel about yourself now relating to your race and attractiveness?

I guess I see myself as like,

yeah, I'm a flawed person.

And I also have such self-respect and offer myself because I know like...

the stuff I've crawled through through my life, you know?

Yeah.

And I also know that it's BS.

Like women are, it was helpful getting getting a lot of positive feedback from a lot of women that I was really attracted to, you know?

Yeah.

And it's not like that's just like a cure.

I mean, but it's more that when that shame and stuff comes up, I know where it's coming from and I know how to deal with it.

I don't take it at face value or believe it's lies.

So, yeah.

Right.

I think, didn't I tell you on our first couple of calls that the very first coach I ever had in person

is Indian?

Really?

Maybe it wasn't you.

So I have a quite a handful of Middle Eastern/slash Indian heritage clients.

So I must have told somebody else.

But the first chapter of my book opens with a story about me approaching women, first night ever, 38 years old.

I'd never done it before.

My coach was a guy who went by the name Ryan.

It's not his real name.

I won't give his real name.

He's out of this world completely.

But he went by Ryan at the time.

And Indian guy, American raised, but Indian heritage, very brown.

And he even talked about this limiting belief he had about, oh, women won't want me because I'm this just a brown five foot eight guy.

Right.

And

Ryan arguably was the best I ever saw in terms of approaching and just using wizard moves of just like being hypnotically attractive to a lot of women.

And to me, not that my issue wasn't my skin color because I'm a white ginger dude.

But I still have my own limiting beliefs.

And I was like, wow, if he can break through that, then who knows what I can do.

And so seeing a guy like you

approach women of all different colors and shapes and sizes, I assume, and ethnicities,

having you have that realization feels great to me.

That's the thing about limiting beliefs is we can tell ourselves it's bullshit, but it's not until we get the hard evidence, the proof, where we're like, oh, now I know it's nonsense.

But that's why we have to go out and take action, which you've done.

Yeah, it certainly helps.

I mean, it's like that spiritual paradox of like, yes, we could all just be the Buddha and like, like, you know, just be totally enlightened, but it's way easier to do that if you have like certain things,

like food and water

or like building self-worth, you know, like it's theoretically possible because it is unconditional.

It has to be unconditional by nature, but the crutches do kind of help, like having people that like me, like say good things about me, stuff like that, right?

So yeah.

Awesome.

All right.

Ah, Jay, you're the greatest, man.

I wish I had so many more clients just like you.

You do the most important thing.

If I boiled everything down to I teach, that I teach into one sentence, it would be take courageous, authentic action while respecting the women you talk to.

And you've done that dozens of times and look where you are now.

And you know what?

There's a lot of great things still to come.

Like

whoever the one ends up being or the next one in your case.

So

I'm here for you.

Okay, bro.

Thank you, Coddle.

I appreciate it.

Take it easy, man.

Thanks for being here.

All right.

That ends today's episode.

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