#1063: July 9, 2025

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Hello, Alex.

I'm a fish-time caller.

I'm a huge fan.

I love your room.

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Hey, everybody.

Welcome back Knowledge Fight.

I'm Dan.

I'm Jordan.

We're a couple of dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Joe.

Oh, indeed we are, Dan.

Jordan.

Dan.

Jordan.

Quick question for you.

What's up?

What's your bright spot today, buddy?

My bright spot today is within the mailbag Z.

Opened up this mailbag.

What did we find?

We've got some stuff in the mailbag.

Yes.

Yep.

So I'd like to thank, first of all, Sheridan, Madeline,

for

sending us an old condom.

It was an old musk ox-flavored condom from 25 years old.

Yeah,

it'll be cherished somewhere by someone someday, hopefully.

Yeah, it's a sweet, the thought is sweet,

gift.

Weird.

Yeah.

But it'll go on the mantle.

Also, thank you to G and Serena.

Sent a couple of.

What is this called?

What is this kind of craft called?

Is it Needlepoint or, yeah.

I'm not, your wife's the artist i know but she's the artist i'm i'm the guy who listens to her um but a couple of uh lovely little pieces one of uh celine and uh one with a quote of you saying you shouldn't have quotes it's very very good yeah very good thank you so much it was really really bright in the day yeah uh how about you what's your bright spot uh my bright spot is uh the uh uh a lazarus project my wife and i watch this show it's called the lazarus project does that have to do with uh resurrection uh kind of in a way, but not in the way that you think.

It's a time loop show

and it's not that great, but it's fun because they do something right with time loops.

There's the

like, you can have a time loop and you can explore one thing and be like, oh, this is how it works.

And time travel could work, right?

Or you get it kind of unwieldy.

And you've got like three or four going on and they don't really work together.

Or you get like 50 time loop things going on and eventually you just go, I guess I'm in.

I guess we're juggling that.

Yeah, I'm not going to be able to follow along.

So this is just, I'm on for the ride, you know?

Like, did you ever see Primer?

No.

Okay.

It is like the

quintessential time travel loop indie movie made by these two guys for like $15,000.

And it's got so many time loops and you kind of don't know what's going on at all.

And then you read about it and people have made charts that show you what's what's going on.

You're like, I still don't know what's going on

at all.

But it's a great movie, somehow.

You know, it's enough.

Because

you buy in.

Yeah, it's enough to be like, yep, all right.

I'm in.

Yep.

It's almost like if you see someone juggling like one or two chainsaws, you're like, how's he doing that?

But if you got like 10, there's like, fuck it.

You're the hero.

You're a god.

I don't know what you are.

I'm not even going to question this.

No more.

Nope.

Well, that's fun.

It is fun.

It's a show.

Is it?

It's a show.

Yeah,

there's two seasons out.

Okay, but it's still ongoing.

I think so.

I think it's like a sci-fi show, too.

So

it's that kind of energy.

You know, high-quality production.

It's something like that.

It's got that

big idea, swing and miss sometimes kind of thing that the magicians had.

Yeah, it was great.

It's fun.

Well, I'm glad you're enjoying that.

Yeah.

Maybe I'll check it out.

But I'm busy with the challenge.

That's true.

Me too.

Shout out to that unwieldy fucking cast they have this year.

Nuts.

We talked about that on the last episode that the new season has started, and we went in totally cold.

Woof.

Mystic.

Mystic.

I should have read up on it.

Yeah, yeah.

So many people.

You need lore.

I do.

And they're from places like, well, my wife is like, oh, that's that show.

And I'm like, ah, get this place out of here.

Yeah, we got a couple of people from Survivor on this season, and one I know, and the other I can't remember.

But yeah, so once I'm done with that, I'll get right to the lateral.

Take your time.

Take your time.

So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.

We're going to be talking about July 9th, 2025, as the situation with Trump's cover-up of the Epstein conspiracy is falling the fuck apart.

Alex is reaping the harvest of not saving Gene Hackman.

The United States is still in an active civil war, and the world is falling apart everywhere.

Yeah.

So let's see how Alex deals with that.

Would you say that the Trump thing with the Epstein has given kind of an armistice for the Civil War?

Maybe a ceasefire for the Civil War?

In the same way that talking about the Minnesota lawmakers is not as important

for Alex

or any number of conspiracies.

Yeah.

It's not so much there's an armistice as there is like a it's drawing a lot of attention.

Fair enough.

And Alex is definitely going to have to wrestle with that on this episode.

I believe that.

So we'll check in on that.

But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.

Ooh, that's a great idea.

So first, greetings from Ben in the UK.

And also, I need to know Dan's thoughts about Jason Manzoukis on Taskmaster now that season 19 is wrapped.

Thank you so much.

You're now a policy wonk.

I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much.

It's series 19.

UK dork.

What the fuck just happened?

I was trying to bring some Jason Manzouk.

You're getting

your ass kicked in Scotland next time we're out there.

Bring it.

Yeah.

I thought it was good.

I thought he fit in well.

The cast as a whole was a good balance.

They were great.

He was doing his thing.

He was very much doing his thing.

Yeah.

Some of it seems a little bit forced sometimes, the aggro-ness, but it works for him.

Yeah.

And it's very funny.

Yep.

So I enjoyed it.

Yep.

Next, my wife wants you to know that because we listened to Knowledge Fight at 1.5 speed, Jordan sounds like he says, I'm Jort.

And she refuses to call him anything else and loves his exasperation.

Love you, Memele, from your wife, Weaver.

Thank you so much.

You're an out policy wonk.

I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you.

From Jort.

And thanks to please support your local roller derby team, Scarbuck.

Thank you so much.

You're an Iowa policy wonk.

I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

And we got a technocrat in the next Jordan.

So thank you so much too.

Shout out to Molly Conger from the Weird Little Guys podcast who recommended this year's show, which led me to growing a hyperfixation on it.

Thanks for that, genuinely.

Much love from the Czech Republic.

Thank you so much.

You're an Iowa Technocrat.

I'm a policy wonk.

Four stars.

Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.

Daddy Sharp.

Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

He's a loser, little, little kitty baby.

I don't want to hate black people.

I renounce Jesus Christ.

Thank you.

That's, you know what's fun about that?

That's, we take that for granted.

You know, the internet allows things like that to happen because when I was growing up, the only person in America who the people in Czech Republic knew was like Michael Jordan and shit, you know?

And for some reason, we're just, the internet's amazing.

And maybe like Bugs Bunny.

Sure.

And they're both in Space Jam.

But they have to be the most huge, you know, like, and we can just, people just know us.

That's fun.

That is very neat thing about the internet.

A little overwhelming at times.

But yeah, real cool.

I'll pick up Molly also.

Absolutely.

So

this episode is a real twist.

Okay.

There's a real sort of wub-bubba.

Okay.

Up till this point, we have had a situation where Alex is like, well, Trump made a deal with the globalists.

Sure.

You know, he's

going down this path, or maybe he's going to use this Epstein blackmail.

Sure.

Today is a departure.

Okay.

But I also have an out-of-context drop that I think is very funny.

That's one problem with conservatives is we don't know how to complain enough.

Yeah, that's the problem.

Yeah, I've experienced that a lot in my life.

Too much restraint.

Not enough conservative complaints these days.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Our grievance economy doesn't complain enough.

Boy, I remember listening to four hours every morning of of my dad in Rush Limbaugh.

That's great.

Good stuff.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I think down the road, we have heard

in this second term for Trump, Alex has given a lot of scores out of 100.

Yes.

Do you remember some of these?

I believe one was well over a thousand out of a hundred.

Yeah.

Regularly, I've experienced him at the 150 out of 100 mark.

A lot of it is over what's possible.

Very rarely

have we stayed within the traditional 100-point scale.

Yeah, when he's tried to show like some, like, I got some questions about Trump, it's been like, he's almost at 200.

Yeah.

He's like at 190.

Yeah, even when we're unhappy, we're all exceeding expectations beyond reasonable abilities.

We might be closer to reality now.

It is July 9th, 2025, on this live Wednesday edition.

We're entering the 170th day

of the Trump administration that we had hoped would be the rebirth of the American Republic and the West.

And still, I would say

90% of what he's doing is good.

But six months ago, it was 98%.

Then a few months ago, it was 95% in my dead reckoning.

And now we're moving down about 90%.

So a turn

into events and behaviors that is beyond troubling.

That is troubling.

You're using real percentages.

Yeah, that's dangerous.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

So at this rate, next month we might be down to like 87, 86.

Yeah, but you know, even then with those percentages, I feel like it's similar to the like, you know what?

90% of the time, this guy's great.

Love this guy.

The other 10%, you know, when you're a vampire, you eat people.

It's a real problem, that 10%.

It is a real problem.

That 10% implicates the other 90%.

It might make the other not so important at all.

Yeah, yeah, it's also not real numbers.

Like, I don't know what it means that 90%, like, you know, that nine possession is nine-tenths of the law, that kind of thing.

Sure, sure, sure.

This weird saying that means nothing.

That's an interesting way of describing our government right now.

Yeah.

Nine-tenths of the Trump is good.

No?

So, Alex, I think what he wants is like, all right, this Epstein shit's bad.

Yeah.

But it's not on us.

This isn't our fault.

Is that possible?

I think he wants it to just be like, let's see if we can isolate this.

All right.

So whereas some of the behaviors of Trump, like the Epstein file,

gaslighting,

whitewash

firestorm,

whereas that is extremely frustrating

and extremely dangerous

at the the end of the day, it doesn't matter because our global awakening, and the United States is the epicenter of that, is exponential and is unstoppable.

Unless the globalists release some super virus or have a nuclear war.

And even that, in the end, they'll be defeated because people know they're behind it.

So, Alex wants to try and create this

image that this is just one thing.

This doesn't taint the rest of what we are.

Our movement that

whitewashed and brought to power this guy who could be involved in an Epstein cover-up.

Sure.

That doesn't, you know, the fact that we were that gullible doesn't mean that we would fall for like the Antichrist or something.

Oh, boy, I feel like that is exactly what it means.

Like 28,

this is about as close to

the Christians are going to fall for the Antichrist.

You know it.

You know they will.

It's in the book.

Yeah, if you spend 10 years following a false Messiah, I think you probably have no credibility when it comes to like, hey, look, our judgment's good except for this.

Where does deals with the devil fall on sunk cost fallacy situation?

You know what I'm saying?

That's what we're finding out.

We're learning where the line is.

All right.

So Alex talked to some of his sources behind the scenes.

Okay.

And he got some more information about this.

Right.

And it turns out.

This might just be Israel.

Now, I've had some time to continue to research and talk to my sources about what's happening with the suppression of the Epstein case, not just a list of clients, the terabytes of child rape and the rest of it, and the desperate damage control spin we've seen.

And my sources in high-level U.S.

intelligence in the White House and in the FBI have said, no, exactly what you said on Monday is exactly what we know it is now,

and that it is a war inside the intelligence agencies and the DOJ,

not even so much between the Democrat, NGO, Soros wing, that's more and more on the outside and being dismantled.

Trump's really doing that, but that into that vacuum

has come Israel.

Now, people are always saying Israel runs all our foreign policy and Israel runs

from my research.

There's been

factions and power groups.

And Israel's not been dominant in our domestic policies and has not been dominant in our global foreign policies, but has been steering the bus on the Middle East.

But in this power vacuum and this global revolution happening, particularly here in the United States, Israel and the Lekudniks are making a run at seizing control of MAGA right now.

So, this is exactly the same narrative that Nick Fuentes was trying to pitch on Alex's show in the aftermath of Israel bombing Iran.

Israel and Netanyahu were supposedly trying to brand any Trump supporters who opposed the bombing as fake MAGA, and this was a part of a plot to make Jewish conservatives like Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro the image of real MAGA.

Alex is just reappropriating the narrative now and applying it to the Epstein cover-up situation, which is shady.

But this doesn't really make any sense.

In the case of the Iran bombing, there's a clear split in teams.

One side prefers war with Iran, the other does not.

It makes sense from a storyline perspective for Alex and Nick to say that Israel is trying to influence MAGA in order to marginalize those who are against the war with Iran and promote those who support it.

But how does this work with the Epstein cover-up?

Which side is which?

As it stands, Trump's Department of Justice has said that there's nothing to see here and everyone should just move along, which is creating a division in the right-wing base.

There are those who have said, I guess we'll just move along, like Charlie Kirk.

And then there are those who have said, there's no way we're moving on, like Patrick Bett David David or Tucker Carlson.

It makes sense that people on either side of this divide might consider people on the other side to be fake MAGA, but which side is Alex saying represents Israel trying to take over MAGA?

I don't know what he's, I don't know what the point is.

That's that you've you've agreed that, like, we've established as fact now, or not fact, but like strong conjecture, that Trump is in charge of the globalists, or at least has made a deal with the the globalists.

Yeah, he has the potential to be.

Right, right, right.

But what it means is essentially

we're all at a table together.

Me, Trump, and the globalists are at a table together making decisions together.

The devil.

Which makes Trump a globalist.

Otherwise, you're not in that room.

And also, the devil is there.

Again, the devil is there.

The real fucking devil.

So Trump

is in the room with all the globalists and the devil making decisions, which means if you don't like something, it is Trump's fault.

Well, maybe, but maybe there's a deeper state.

Now,

see, we took care of the deeper state.

Now it's a deeper state.

Turtles all the way down, goddamn it.

Underneath that turtle, there's one more turtle.

You know,

I wonder if we have, you know, like Snowden released all of this horrible stuff, but it didn't take anybody down.

You know, it didn't take the government down.

It didn't take the president down.

If there is a CIA operative now who releases all the Epstein stuff and Trump is in it, is that potentially more likely to topple the government than revealing war crimes?

I don't know.

I mean, like, I guess it depends on what is there.

Right.

You know, I suppose, yeah.

Hypothetical, like, what is the information that's there?

Yeah.

But yeah, that is a bleak picture.

That,

you know,

war crimes in America.

Not that big a deal.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, like, this is not a good way for Alex to evolve the narrative.

The whole Trump decided he wanted to blackmail the globalists thing, that was untenable, but it was a fine first effort.

This is disconcerting that after he's had time to think, the angle he's decided to go with is Nick's anti-Israel stuff instead of what would be so much more in his best interest, which is to say that Trump got a demon in him.

It's fine, he can break ties.

Walk-in, clone, robot, all on the table.

The only one that's not on the table is this is actually Trump.

Yeah.

And David Ica's proof of concept that it's possible to not destroy your entire career by being like, nah, fuck this guy.

Nope.

Fuck this guy.

You can speak

like

not truth, but you can speak something that power doesn't like and not be squashed.

What I don't understand truly is like right now is just the perfect time to be like, no, we were right about Trump.

He's been killed and replaced by a robot or a clone or whatever you like.

Just we were right about everything, but there was a demarcation point where this is no longer the Trump that we were talking about.

So we can all, without guilt at all, move on from our terrible decisions and mistakes.

Yeah.

And somehow, like, look, we did everything we could, but the defense shields for demons dropped momentarily.

Totally.

Maybe because of the no-king's protest or something, make it the left's fault.

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah.

Or we just made a miscalculation and then the blah, blah, blah, blah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, Alex has a piece of news that I think that if he actually believes what he's reporting, he should be like taking up arms.

Okay.

And I'm just going to lay out the facts here about this Epstein gaslighting cover-up whitewash

that went from being a very dangerous

fiasco

Sunday into Monday with the DOJ memo that got leaked

like a fart in church because they didn't want attention to it

that the Epstein case is closed.

And then, of course, on Monday, the White House confirmed the DOJ.

No, that's a real memo.

And it said Epstein acted alone.

He wasn't a human trafficker.

There was no blackmail operation.

And he killed himself.

Now, already when they killed Epstein and covered this up over the last 15 years

and killed him

four or five years ago,

it has already been

a firestorm of firestorms because of the Streisand effect.

We don't know what the Streisand effect is.

Barbara Streisand built this giant mansion

on the beach, and she didn't want people talking about it.

And when a local reporter talked about it, she attacked them.

So then it got picked up by the international press.

It was a giant story.

And so by coming out and saying, actually, everything we told you in the past isn't true.

There aren't 14 terabytes of kids getting raped.

There aren't all these new flight logs and blackmail.

Forget about it.

Go to sleep.

It went to a whole nother level.

This is the big issue the general public finally understood the deep state through.

And then when Trump came out in that press conference yesterday at about 11:30

Central, we'll play the clip again

and got visibly angry

and then attacked the reporter

and basically said, You're standing on the graves of dead kids because they've just been talking in a free-for-all discussion about the tragedy in the Texas Hill country.

I mean, that was a very unfair attack on a reporter that asked a really good question.

And

so the story went from mega-massive to ultra-massive.

And so

now, behind the scenes, and a lot of big reporters have talked about it, I've talked to others, it's happened to, they've had the FBI call them up

that's given them information in the past as

a source and said you're going to be cut off

if you don't stop talking about this.

Okay, so the FBI is threatening journalists to stop covering this.

I feel like Alex should be like, this is a red alert.

So,

for me, the red alert is Alex saying that he was being unfair to a journalist, which is

wild.

Yeah.

What is he saying?

Trump, the guy who yells about how all of the reporters are the enemy of the people and all this stuff.

Yeah, this one time, Trump's being unfair.

Do you remember whenever he made fun of the guy who was disabled?

Fucking hell.

Yeah, Trump's been historically quite unfair.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Two journalists.

But this one, that was a really unfair response to what seems like a reasonable question.

Yeah, not cool.

Not cool.

Yeah, but, you know, the FBI calling and threatening to cut off all access to everything in case you, you know, that's fairly normal, though, right?

It's so dumb for Alex to just be like, well, you know, this is just something to talk about.

Like, no.

You're supposed to be getting your battle rifles and shit.

Like, this is what you're made for, man.

I mean, to bring it back, this reminds me of the movie Enemy of the State, starring Gene Hackman.

We should have listened.

Alex should have listened as well.

This all goes back to Hackman.

It's all about Ackman.

It's all about Hackman.

We missed it.

Yep.

Yep.

So I think that if Alex believes this, he should be taking it far more seriously than he is.

Yeah, absolutely.

And I think it's kind of a little bit light.

And that makes me not believe him.

I have a question.

Yeah.

And I think I know the answer to this, but I would like to hear your response to it, okay?

If the FBI called,

let's call them

middle-of-the-road journalists, the regular old working for CNN assholes, right?

I was like, hey, fucking kill you if you do this stuff.

Everybody would be like, this is an attack on the fourth estate,

right?

But if they're calling right-wing journalists while Trump is in power,

they're not going to talk shit, are they?

They're not going to be that mad.

They're going to be like...

They're going to do this.

Yeah.

This is what they're going to do.

They're going to be like, oh, our boss told us to stop.

Isn't that weird?

Isn't that weird?

Yes.

Well, but I think part of that is because I imagine this isn't actually the FBI.

This is like fake weirdo, fake whistleblower types that like they're who the FBI is to

Alex.

Right.

So maybe these threats aren't coming from the actual FBI.

Right.

But the presentation of it, the image of it, is something that should be like a huge four-alarm fire.

Absolutely.

You know, who cares?

No big deal.

I mean, that is, that I think really is emblematic of these people believe they work for the government.

Yeah.

Now.

And now, like, if I got a call from the FBI and they were like, don't talk about this stuff, I'd be off to Mooseport.

Yeah, no, I'm out.

Another Hankman movie.

Welcome to Mooseport.

Welcome to Mooseport.

There we go.

So, Alex gets to some news headlines.

This shit sounds bad.

All right, so let's go to a bunch of these huge clips.

Ahead of all the other amazingly important news we have, new audio has been leaked of President Trump threatening to bomb Moscow and Beijing if they invade any countries.

Putin sends messages to U.S.

with record 700 drone missiles in overnight attack on Ukraine, mainly targeting their capital, Kiev.

Panic in Brussels.

Globalists tremble as patriots for Europe group will lead negotiations on the EU's climate target and ditch the climate

cult global carbon tax.

I mean, it just goes on and on.

So, this makes Trump seem like a horrible leader and someone Alex should see as a threat to world peace and someone who's likely to launch a nuclear war.

So, I think that really building a lot of scaffolding to

turn this guy into a villain.

Even worse, though, the idea that he would threaten that, and we all know it's a bluff.

That's a real bad leader.

It's an empty threat.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, I think you'd have to assume it's an empty threat if

the next headline is Russia is attacking Kyiv.

Yeah, absolutely.

So what are we doing here?

The president just gets to talk shit whenever he wants?

Yep.

All right.

We have a world of shit talkers.

All right.

So that last headline is interesting.

A group with the name like Patriots for Europe is one that should make you a little suspicious.

And as it turns out, this is an international organization of extreme far-right and generally ultra-nationalist political groups founded last year by Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbach.

Great.

It's basically an effort to make an anti-internationalist EU, which is fucking dumb.

This is a group that grew out of the ashes of another group called Identity and Democracy, which included such winners as Germany's AFD and Marine Le Pen's National Rally Parties.

Identity and Democracy was a group that came together in 2019 after the collapse of another group called Europe of Nations and Freedoms, which itself was created just a few years earlier.

Right.

Basically, these coalitions of extreme far-right elements get together and form a new supergroup every few years, and then it falls apart because someone decides to get a little too overtly Nazi in their messaging, and they have to come up with a new name for branding purposes.

Patriots for Europe is the current one, and we should start the clock on this name being abandoned probably by around 2028.

Yeah, yeah, it seems like, you know, it seems like a good idea.

Like, hey, let's bring all of our hate groups together.

But then you're like, wait, isn't a hate group based around a lack of togetherness in all effects?

Yeah.

So then here we are.

Each of us has like a couple seats in these bodies, and maybe we can work together.

Oh, no.

No, I hate you.

Shit.

Shit.

I have a bag filled of hate.

So, Alex, for what he's, you know, it's worth, he's trying to get off into other topics, you know, cover some other news, Trump threatening to bomb people and what have you.

But you can't avoid the elephant, the Epstein elephant in the room.

Yeah.

And so Alex is like, I'm not going for this.

I'm not going along with this Epstein shoot.

What an insult to everyone's intelligence.

And let me tell you, 95% of the time, Trump's saying something, it's true.

I defend him.

I do it constantly.

My job's easy.

But not now.

And I won't defend this.

Terry Carlson says this could trigger and spark a revolution.

Ben Shapiro, though, is, in my view, I mean, definitely is from his actions, probably a Mossad agent, but definitely works for Israel, always has.

He came out and said Epstein didn't do anything, basically, and there was no money funding him.

Don't look into

all the other known Israeli operatives, like Lex Wesner, and all the rest of them.

And by the way, you're either for Trump or Alex Jones.

So he builds the straw man, classic intelligence formula.

It's coming up.

You're either with the crazy person, Alex Jones,

or you're with Trump.

And then he quotes CNN articles that are fake that my lawyers said 12 years ago in a custody battle that I'm an actor and nothing I say is real.

It's not true.

They never said that.

So Alex has, I guess, just decided, like, okay, Israel is,

we're going to say that Israel is trying to take over MAGA.

Yeah.

High-profile Jewish commentators in the right wing are going to be Mossad agents.

And this is just like, okay,

you're just deciding that you're going with that branch of the right wing.

You're cozying up to that.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean,

it's

pretty fucking predictable.

Like,

what was this wind-up breaking apart on?

You know, they're not going to blame each other for fucking up the very obvious thing that they fucked up.

They're all going to find some sort of proxy reason to blame each other because it's all your faults together.

Yeah, yeah.

And like, what audience is Alex realistically going to chase after

this?

When you need to make a pivot, it's not like he's going to be able to find some left-wing-leaning audience.

Yeah.

It's not like the rhinos are going to

accept him or want any of this bullshit.

The only thing that is available is probably more extreme folks.

I've been saying this for years.

Yeah.

And the indications are that

when forced, when the temperature rises, this is the direction Alex is going to go.

Yep.

Towards the neo-Nazi-ish wing of the right wing.

Somehow they represent safety to him.

Right.

Yeah.

And I think it's really unfortunate, but at the same time, like, I'm not saying people should embrace Alex with open arms to keep him away from the Nazis.

That's not how it works.

No,

Glenn Beck's apology to her wasn't sincere.

You shouldn't fall for it with Alex either.

You really shouldn't fall for it with Alex.

Yeah.

So he just decides: I'm going to go against Shapiro.

Shapiro is going to be.

Shapiro mentioned my name.

Yeah.

And so we're going to war.

Yeah.

But she's convicted of human trafficking, but you'll hear Shapiro say

human trafficking

because they put out a two-page memo and said so.

Okay.

And how do you expect us not to sit here and go, what in the world is this?

I got to tell you,

I think they thought because Trump has so much support and has done such a great job overall and survived the assassination attempts on the law fair, that when he came out and said on, and did all this, that we would just go, okay.

But almost no one is buying this.

And people are being told now, other prominent talk show hosts, I'm not going to name them, though some are going public, you keep reporting on this, you're not going to have White House credentials.

You're not going to get invited on Air Force One.

You're not going to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

The FBI is doing that.

Why would the FBI put itself in a position of total damage control?

Because Bongino and Patel and Trump were manipulated by people telling them, shut this down, move on from this.

Knowing it would create a firestorm.

And now the deep state will come and say, don't worry, we'll manage this.

We'll control this.

We'll start censoring.

We can protect you.

So they maneuver them into an unmitigated Streisand effect disaster.

And then out from under a rock crawls the discredited

Israel Firsters,

Mark Levin and Shapiro and the rest of them,

to say

Alex Jones just hates America.

So this is tortured stuff, and it really makes Trump look like a total piece of shit.

But it's important to understand that Alex's only goal here is to make sure that no one thinks that Trump was associated with Epstein and is implicated by his crimes.

Alex has turned his career into an exploitative crusade against child abusers, and he likes to pretend that he was the first to cover the Epstein story.

So the entire house of cards really comes down if Alex has to face the reality that the last 10 years of his life has been dedicated to shamelessly defending Epstein's best friend.

Alex has claimed that he researched this heavily and he vetted Trump, so the idea that he could have possibly missed something so obviously disqualifying is a severe threat to Alex's credibility around an issue that his audience is actually hysterical about.

Trump doing something self-defeating in terms of the economy, that's spinnable, because the audience really only abstractly cares about those types of issues, but this one's visceral.

Trump cannot be involved with the Epstein stuff, because if he is, then Alex is either incompetent at vetting messiahs, or he knowingly covered it up in order to sell Trump to the audience.

Because it's so important to steer people away from that conclusion, Alex has to come up with these alternative explanations that make Trump look super bad, but still maintain the game.

He's still a good guy, but he was put into an unwinnable situation by the forces of evil.

You got to understand, they maneuvered it.

You also notice that Alex is going hard into blaming Israel here.

This is an indication of the desperation that he has to spin the story in a way that isn't damning about his own support for Trump over the years.

And seen through that lens, lens, like

this all, first of all, makes total sense.

And second,

it's just like, okay,

yeah, I didn't kill this guy because I was busy robbing a store or whatever.

You're coming up with an alibi that is also really shit.

No,

it feels like

in our lives,

whenever he's been, like, if we call this like a game of chess, right?

You get pinned.

You know,

you've got one piece, and it's if you move it out of the way to protect it, it's only going to get another piece killed.

That kind of concept.

You know, there's no escape.

There's no escape from this pin.

Somebody's going down, right?

But in our lives, we've seen him do that, and he's like, ah, actually, but the knight can fly.

Sorry.

It's a flying knight.

No big deal.

None of this is real.

It's not fifth-dimensional chess.

It's crazy chess.

Yeah, it's cuckoo chess.

Yeah, yeah.

None of this is real.

Also, the opponent is fake.

He's not really playing against anybody.

And I'm upside down in this one.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And this feels like there's just, it's reality's hit.

Yeah.

We're on the board.

The piece is pinned.

You got to do something.

He's like playing chess alone in a park by his own rules, and someone has accidentally sat down and is now playing against him.

Oh, fuck.

It turns out I don't know how to play chess.

Shit.

So, Alex,

there's a lot of people who have a lot of beliefs about Epstein being connected to intelligence agencies.

Now, I don't want to say you're wrong to believe that.

I don't want to say that it's definitely proven.

Right.

But the biggest piece of evidence that a lot of people point to is Alexander Acosta, the former Secretary of Labor that Trump appointed,

who has made some comments about, or allegedly has made some comments, about how he was made to hands-off, treat Epstein hands-off during the 2008 prosecution.

Right.

Back when he was in Florida.

Which we all know because of the deal that he was given.

Well, it's implied in a way.

Right.

But Alex,

this is the big, you know, big piece of evidence for him.

Yeah.

And so he plays a clip of Acosta that he thinks is going to be a slam dunk, nail-in-the-coffin type of thing.

And it's actually the opposite.

Here's another one.

Jeffrey Epstein's sixth story played out years in plain sight.

Here it is right there.

And, of course, Roger Stone recently put out this tweet when Alexander Akasa, the U.S.

Attorney for South Florida, who gave Epstein a pass on sex trafficking charges, was appointed Secretary of Labor, he was asked why he would say about his handling of the Epstein case if asked about it in the U.S.

Senate Confirmation hearings.

Akasa said, I'll tell the truth, that he worked for the CIA and the case was sealed at their request.

And here he is then being asked about it and saying he can't comment.

here's the video

one more question

Richard Lardner from the Associated Press Mr.

Secretary were you ever made aware at any point your handling of this case if Mr.

Epstein was an intelligence asset of some sort

so

so so so there has there has been reporting to that effect and and let me say there's been reporting to a lot of effects in in in this case not just now but over the years and and again I would

you know I would hesitate to take this reporting as fact

this was a case that was brought by our office it was brought based on the facts and and I look at that reporting and others I can't address it directly because of our

our guidelines

but I can tell you that that a lot of reporting is just going down rabbit holes a few A few more questions.

A few more questions.

Have you asked a question yet?

I have.

Okay.

How about that in front of you?

Yes.

Sorry, I'm done.

All right.

So, Roger, you have been right there at point-blank range.

Oh, Roger's there.

Oh!

So it's painfully clear that Alex didn't know what was in that clip before he played it because it makes the opposite point from what he was trying to say.

Alexander Acosta was Trump's choice for labor secretary in his first term, which is a strange choice because he was the prosecutor who worked out that sweetheart deal that saved Epstein from a ton of jail time in 2008.

In 2019, a journalist named Vicki Ward published an article in the Daily Beast that cited an anonymous source who told her that Acosta had said that he was told that Epstein, quote, belonged to intelligence and that he needed to leave it alone.

Ward has stood by her anonymous source, but Acosta has also publicly refuted this, in a vague way in that clip that Alex just played, and in a much more direct way when he spoke with the Justice Department Office of Professional Responsibility in 2020.

It may well be the case that Epstein had some connections to intelligence, but Alexander Acosta's alleged comment doesn't do a good job of proving that.

But it's good enough for Alex, and he's very uncurious, so he doesn't seem to even consider that it's possible that the clip that he's about to play is Acosta saying that Epstein wasn't intelligence.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Also, Alex needs to cut off Roger.

Regardless of the path that Alex chooses to go down, Roger is no good for it.

If he wants to become less extreme and more like a libertarian type, Roger's way too loyal to Trump to make that pivot with him.

If he wants to lean into the anti-Semitism thing and swing with Nick Fuentes, Roger isn't going to go along with that because he knows that's a dead end.

Whatever Alex does now, he needs to put on his big boy pants and stop taking Roger's call.

There's nothing.

Yeah, there's nothing to do there.

That well is gone.

Yeah.

I mean, you can't, listen, and you know what?

I think it's totally reasonable for Roger because nothing Alex does can compete with getting a pardon.

Nothing.

There's nothing that you can do that's like, oh, well, I saved you from years of jail time.

Nope.

I'm in Trump's back pocket because he pardoned me.

It's that simple.

There's something also really weird that Roger does bring up, and that is that he says that he

reported this Acosta quote in his book, The Clinton's War on Women, which came out in 2015.

Roger reported it.

Right.

He says that.

Okay.

And then this Vicki Ward article is in 2019, which is later.

So that would have ⁇ it would strongly imply that maybe Ward is anonymous source as Roger Stone.

But I'm not sure exactly what is in his book.

And I think that might be also him fudging some details.

But whatever the case,

it's a little bit less concrete.

The Acosta angle on this is a little bit less solid than Alex wants to make it.

So Roger is in, and of course, his take is Trump's fucking cool.

Obviously.

He's great.

He's the best.

The problem is that Biden destroyed evidence.

That sounds true.

Jeffrey Epstein was charged in Manhattan with two crimes.

Count one was sex trafficking of minors, violation of 18 U.S.

Code 1591, and conspiracy to commit sex trafficking of minors, violation of 18 U.S.C.

Code 371.

But those, those

grand jury testimony is sealed.

Also, the search warrants are sealed.

Pam Bondi can clear the air here by directing the U.S.

Attorney, the acting U.S.

attorney, the interim U.S.

attorney in the Southern District of Court of New York to go into federal court and ask the court to unseal those documents.

They didn't indict this guy without evidence, and the evidence has to be within those documents.

When Cash Patel and Dan Bongino tell you they don't have the evidence, they're not lying.

The evidence was destroyed by the previous administration.

They can't give you what they do not have.

But the court has this information, and they should move aggressively to ask that it be unsealed.

That's a great point.

So Alex says that this is a great point, but I'm not sure that he realizes that this completely contradicts everything he's been saying since this story broke.

The narrative is incompatible with Alex's coverage, where he's like, they made a deal and all this stuff, but Alex can see like, oh, that could work.

Roger, you might be onto something here.

We could say that Biden just destroyed all the evidence.

That would be insane.

But they also didn't destroy the stuff that's in these warrants.

Yeah.

Come on, man.

They did like a half cover-up.

Yeah.

Great.

Yeah, yep, that makes sense.

It's the person seeing the light.

Like the, the, ooh, there's my escape hatch.

I can maybe do this.

No, buddy, you're in the movie The Descent.

You ain't getting out of there.

There's monsters.

You've already committed a lot to this narrative that you're building.

You can't go along with Roger on this one.

Too late.

Too late.

You blew it.

And part of the reason is because Roger's story feels good for a second.

Yeah.

But there's also like, why did Trump

lash out at that reporter then?

Like, what's going on?

Yeah.

This doesn't make sense, Roger.

He's got, it's such a great.

Oh, oh, no.

What are you talking about?

Yeah.

This might work with another employee at Infowars, but Alex is like,

what do we do?

Come on, buddy.

But I overall agree with what you're saying here.

My big concern is who is advising,

who is coming up.

Who advises the why is it good to have Bongino and Battelle

and Pam Bondi and now Trump going out and contradicting stuff that they said in the last few years and the last few months?

If U.S.

intelligence is involved and they've hidden most of the evidence and destroyed it and Trump wants to move on to try to save the economy and stop the current human trafficking why not just say that why freak out on reporters why come out and wag their fingers at people and say you need to stop talking about this I mean anybody knows that if you tell people don't look into something or don't talk about it

I mean

that that it's going to have the exact opposite effect so great advice hey you've got you know him being indicted in New York.

You've got the court case.

There's the evidence there of the human trafficking.

How can this lane be in jail for human trafficking?

But now this new memo says that there is no human trafficking.

I mean, this is just preposterous.

What else should Trump do?

I think he has to make a clean abreast of it.

I suspect, this is speculation.

I'm not going to say this on the air.

But don't you think the Israelis, the Brits, the Saudis, everybody else who has dirty laundry here is...

saying to Trump, you know, this is, we can't have this out.

This is very problematic for us.

At the same time, he's trying to negotiate a peace deal and avert World War III.

That's a guess on my part.

I haven't talked to him about this.

No, there's no doubt that's what it's not a guess.

Obviously, the entire establishment would come down, and so all these allies are bare minimum begging, you know, especially the British, do not release this.

I think that's a no-brainer.

Why then come out and slap people around and say, stop asking questions?

You know!

I'm not sure.

You know why?

The president's got larger things on his mind at the moment.

One of my favorite things is, I'm not going to say this on air, on air.

On air.

Oh, my God.

You can see that Alex desperately wants to accept Roger's spin, but there's just that sticking point that it doesn't make sense.

Why are Trump and the people around him lying and changing their stories if this is just a situation where Biden destroyed the evidence?

Roger's story doesn't deal with Trump's very suspicious response, and Alex is like asking him to help.

Just help with that.

Cover over it.

And the answer Roger gives is essentially that Trump doesn't want to upset the establishment.

The international deep state would be severely impacted by Trump releasing this information, which he doesn't have anyway because Biden supposedly destroyed it.

So even if Biden hadn't done that, Trump couldn't just put this stuff out.

That might take down the establishment.

This highlights a big difference between Alex and Roger.

Alex is an idiot and thinks he's fighting against the establishment, but really he's just flailing around and trying to beat up immigrants.

Roger is fundamentally a huge fan of the establishment.

He just wants power within it, which he's achieved in part by tricking anti-establishment people into being his mob, which is what he does.

They've paid him a lot of money over the years.

Yeah.

The establishment loves Roger.

Yeah, Roger wants nothing more than to maintain that establishment and be powerful in it.

Alex thinks, like,

I've waged this crusade against the deep state and all this stuff.

Yeah.

And now he's faced with a situation of like, okay, why isn't trump doing this thing that we really want him to do yeah and his mentor is a guy is like that would ruin the deep state man like okay so for a lot of stuff

um

you know that people uh live within you know that that like this is right or wrong or all that stuff reasons can alter people's perception of how right or how wrong there can be things where it's like well maybe this is this but maybe we're not over here and you don't know all the details and you don't know what this person is going through But sometimes you pass over into a place where you may or may not have accurate details.

You may not know all the details, but no matter what you do, you're not going to change the fundamental reality.

And that is you all know what's happening here.

At least you're worried about what, you know, you know that something is amiss.

No matter what details come out, they will not reinforce the things are going to be fine with this guy.

Yeah.

You know, for your ideology and your worldview that you've built up.

There's going to be problems.

If there was going to be a,

no, actually, we didn't do this, it would already be out.

Most likely.

And I think that, like,

you have to be like, there has to be a rock-bottom type moment.

Yeah.

When you're sitting there talking to Roger Stone and you're like, why isn't he putting this out?

He's like, well, it would destroy the deep state and the establishment.

Wasn't that our whole idea?

That's why we elected Trump.

We elected him to destroy the establishment.

That was the point.

And who cares about these allies in intelligence agencies and other countries that would be hurt?

How could you possibly argue to Alex Jones?

No, Trump can't release the Epstein files because there are some prime ministers in other countries who will be fired.

Yeah, the globalists will get in trouble if he does that.

Yeah, what?

Yeah.

Are you shitting me?

That's your pitch?

Yeah.

Fuck me.

Roger's just the bad guy all along, I guess.

Yep.

Yep, here we go.

Oh, Alex, you're so stupid.

So Roger explains to Alex, Alex asks him about, like, what about the left?

They're doing all this violence.

They're all mad at ICE, having protests and stuff.

Oh, that left.

And Roger's like, yeah,

Trump has used martial law.

That's fine.

There we go.

And Alex's response is thank you.

There needs to be blood.

Democrat lawmakers tell Axios that their

constituents want violence and want to elicit a response from Trump so they can play victim and have a civil war.

That's the Podesta plan.

What do you make of this?

And their no-kings thing fizzling out to a great extent.

I mean, but it appears they're still trying to get a civil war going.

I think they would be very, very unwise to test Donald J.

Trump.

You notice that unlike when we had the Antifa BLM riots during his first term,

and he was persuaded to let governors make decisions about how to deal with that.

As soon as you had problems in Los Angeles, he mobilized the National Guard.

He also sent in the Marines.

Those who think that they can mount an insurrection are going to see that insurrection crushed.

The first responsibility of the President of the United States is to maintain order.

That is his responsibility under the Constitution.

This president has already demonstrated that he will do that.

So those who are planning violence, they better think twice.

Donald Trump is not to be trifled with.

He will be the a law and order president, and he will maintain order and protect the American people.

Roger Stone, StoneZone.com.

Thank you so much.

I think it's really important to understand how far Alex has drifted from the principles that he's supposed to care about.

He believes staunchly in states' rights, and it's always tyrannical for a president to use the National Guard without a state's governor approving it.

FEMA can't even do disaster preparation or relief work without a governor requesting it, according to Alex.

And now here you have Roger telling Alex that Trump will disregard a governor's wishes and commandeer the National Guard and even send in the military in order to quell protests.

Earlier in this episode, Alex was talking about the FBI calling journalists and threatening them to stop covering the Epstein story, which is a comical example of violating the First Amendment.

Alex thinks that if Twitter doesn't let you harass people, it's a free speech violation worthy of going to war.

But now the FBI can directly coerce the press, and maybe it's not a huge deal?

Like, he's gone, man.

This is nonsense.

Just after Roger leaves, this is how Alex describes the FBI's actions.

I'm going to have Kyle Serafin pop in for just 30 minutes, the FBI whistleblower, because he pointed out to me, and I also got some calls, some of the prominent influencers and talk show hosts that are getting calls from the FBI.

Hey, you might get kicked out of the White House or whatever.

You know, if you keep reporting on this, that is the dumbest thing to do ever.

Don't start acting like the Democrats.

And whoever's giving the FBI the advice to do this, I mean, you're being set up.

This isn't a fundamental violation of the freedom of the press.

It's not bullying and intimidating meant to cover up a story about a human trafficker.

It's just dumb and probably a setup.

It's just dumb.

This is dumb.

Don't do this.

I mean, you know, in terms of just like pure, let's get rid of all of the realities and let's just go with what is happening from a broad sense.

Historically speaking, it's almost never happened that an out-of-control, out-of-control, megalomaniacal dictator, when facing a challenge, would wind up destroying himself in the attempt to overcome that challenge and keep people from seeing it.

So any action that this megalomaniacal idiot dictator takes isn't necessarily going to actually lead to the downfall he's trying to avoid.

Now, thankfully, there's almost no examples of that throughout history.

Yeah, we're in the clear.

Yeah, I can't think of any.

So, what's going on is just like a squabble between the Israeli intelligence and the U.S.

intelligence about who gets to control this blackmail file.

Yeah, what are we going to do?

Hey.

And Alex is like, I think Trump will be fine if he just shuts up.

Yeah.

And we know Israel is heavily involved with Epstein and the CIA.

And I'm told by very high-level sources that that's what this is, is an internal fight over that file between those two groups, U.S.

intelligence and Israeli intelligence.

And I think it's overwhelmingly clear that's what's happening.

So we'll continue to watch this as it unfolds.

But for heaven's sakes, no more

press conferences saying, shut up, don't ask questions.

All you're going to get is questions out of that.

And I am really,

really trying to not get the Trump administration to self-harm here.

Okay?

Please.

I'm trying to patch up the holes.

I'm trying to make this work.

Guys, stop it.

Stop it.

I mean.

And they do not stop it.

Like

in the conversation, you know, you've got, did you do this?

Yes, I did.

Oh, no.

Or did you do this?

No, I didn't.

I don't think so, but it's your word against mine.

You know, if you just give me yes or no, there's really nowhere to go from that.

You know, I've got a follow-up question.

My answer is also no, you know, but if you give me like, actually, here's a 12-hour video with a minute missing.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

You've done far more harm than if you had just said, no, we didn't do it.

Yeah.

And I think that, you know, the answer that Pam Bondi has about that minute missing is that every night the cameras reset.

Oh, there's always a minute missing, which is something that

could be true, but is unacceptable in this situation.

Because also, if you want to say that it does that every night, then I guess the way you would prove that is release video of every night, that minute being missing.

Yeah.

But also, anyone could just take that minute out of other days' recordings in order to.

You're trapped in a way that, like,

never should have released that.

You'd have to be insane to release that video.

It's, it's, um,

it's definitely like, even in the most benign circumstances where you are not lying at all about that minute that's going to be missing, you still have now shot yourself in the foot again.

Like what Alex is saying, you're self-harming as a

power block.

Hey, listen, if there's anything I know, it's that the Zapruder film stopped conspiracy theories from happening.

Yeah.

So Alex does not get his wish of no more outbursts.

There's going to be more.

But for now, Alex is he seems to be fine to just attack Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro and say that they're trying to run cover for Israel, trying to take over MAGA

through the Epstein files and something.

And then I want to talk about Ben Shapiro.

This is a lot bigger than Ben Shapiro.

It's about the methodology of how these disinformation operations work.

And you when Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin come out from other rocks, that they're working for Benjamin Yetan Yahoo, and they know exactly what they're doing, and they don't want this Epstein situation looked into.

Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin haven't been hiding under rocks and just popped up now to chime in on the Epstein situation.

They both have daily radio shows that are broadcast on so many more stations than Infowars.

Ben Shapiro runs probably the most successful right-wing media outlet at the moment, The Daily Wire, and Levin is a big player at Glenn Beck's network, The Blaze.

They're huge.

They're constantly putting stuff out.

They pump out content all the time, and they are sure to comment on pretty much every topic that riles up Twitter because their businesses, they run on the same attention economy as Alex's.

So it's kind of suspicious that Alex is saying that these two high-profile Jewish conservatives have just now come out from under their rock to do some misinformation on behalf of Israel.

Yeah.

I suspect that the reason Alex might have this impression is because he doesn't necessarily see Shapiro or Levin's content regularly.

He probably doesn't follow them on Twitter, and he definitely doesn't listen to their shows.

I would guess that the only times that Shapiro or Levin pop up on his radar are when someone like Nick Fuentes is tweeting anti-Semitic shit about them, which would explain a lot of Alex's tone

in this, like saying, oh, they popped up again.

No, the Nazis that you follow on Twitter are just mad at them at this point.

Yeah, you're never going to get away from the like, we live in this world now where you can turn and somebody's like, yeah, 50 million people love this.

And you're like, I have never heard of that before in my entire life.

Where?

You'll never know.

Okay, great.

Yeah, and like I mentioned earlier, there are people who are like Charlie Kirk who are going along with the, you know, the idea of like, well, I guess, I guess Trump said that there's nothing to see here, you know, and like, oh, weirdly, he's not the person that is being used as an example.

Yeah.

It's a very intentional, like, these are high-profile Jewish figures in the right-wing media that are being attacked because it's easier to connect this anti-Semitism that goes through Alex's right-wing world

with

Israel criticism.

I mean, it's never, you know, like,

fuck it.

Who was it?

Was it Rahm?

Like, don't waste a crisis, you know, like, you've got this.

You've got an opportunity to, like, hey, maybe we purge some voices that are my my competition.

And here's our opportunity to use this stuff and use this stuff.

It doesn't matter what we do.

We just got to get rid of them.

Yeah.

Horrible.

So Alex says

something along the lines of like, and I think this is probably a fair point.

And that is, we can't let ourselves be

gaslit in order to support Trump.

Like, he can't piss on us and tell us it's raining.

Right?

We just can't do that.

Where have you been?

You've been under a rock getting pissed on for the last 10 years.

Drinking all the piss.

Drinking all that piss.

We can't be in a position

when they feed us rocks and tell us they're strawberries.

I use the nice analogy.

I didn't say piss on us and tell us it's raining.

No, I just did.

Crap on us and tell us to love it.

So just whoever's coming up with these ideas

is setting up the Trump administration.

And that's what Kyle Serafin

said on Monday he believes it is because he understands how this works.

And I agree with him.

Again, Nixon was barely even involved with the plumbers.

They did it on their own.

He told them to go get dirt on people.

The CIA was running them.

Then they set up Nixon, who they hated.

Then they got him through that.

So Trump's busy, and he's got his people running around getting all this bad advice.

And I'm not

defending any of this by saying it.

I just know how all this stuff works.

Roger tell you that?

So, what exactly is Alex trying to say is a setup here?

In the case of Nixon, Alex is saying that Nixon didn't do anything, but he also told the plumbers to go get dirt on people.

So I'm not sure what the setup is here.

He seems to have, Alex is saying he did the thing that,

oh well, the horrible reality that Alex can't allow himself or his audience to face is that the person giving the Trump administration their marching orders is Trump.

There's no one setting Trump up.

They just didn't think the conspiracy-brained audience would be all that upset when he tried to cover up their biggest conspiracy because they've gone along with everything else up to this point.

It's kind of easy to see how Trump and all those folks would think this is no big deal and that the media folks would all toe the line and go along with this.

They've done it every time.

Yep.

Trump is setting Trump up here.

Or more accurately, Trump is setting up his followers who want to still pretend they care about the conspiracies that they used to get Trump elected.

Trump's first run was full of crowds chanting to lock up Hillary, and then when he got into office, he said that worked well during the campaign, but he didn't care about it anymore.

This is basically the same thing, except with the added layer that Trump was best friends with Epstein.

Yeah.

And there's some really shady there.

Yeah.

So it's just him trying to jettison the rockets again.

I mean, it's just, it's so hard.

It's so hard to watch these people do this terrorist edging for so long and then get to this place where it's like, you know, all you need to do.

There's just going to be a moment and it's going to happen and then we're going to move into the next stage of our lives

but there's no escape you're pinned you're pinned there's no escape from this there's no way even if you even if trump escapes and nobody gets any consequences and yada yada you know the world is the world there's still no escape there's still no way for you to have an argument with somebody that doesn't end with well what about epstein and you going Yeah, what about Epstein?

That's it.

And the whole thing is about arguing on Twitter.

The whole right-wing media is all just about who can argue the most.

And it doesn't matter if your arguments are right, just that they're adjacent enough or angry enough to continue the fight.

But if this fight is just, what about Epstein?

And you go, yeah, what about Epstein?

Then your entire media sphere is done.

Yeah, well, you know,

it's definitely threatened.

Yeah.

And Trump may not face like real actual consequences because he's operating in the sphere of power.

Right.

Whereas Whereas Alex is operating in the sphere of like attention manipulation.

Imaginary power.

Yeah.

And a large part of what's made his game work is this proximity to the real power that Trump has.

Right.

But now he needs to give that up in order to maintain his ability to operate in that attention fake power space.

Yeah.

And so he, yeah, he's just, it's a crisis.

You have to pick one.

The wizard's got to get up in the balloon, man.

Can't hide behind the curtain anymore.

Yep.

Yep.

So why would Trump do this?

Because he did it.

Why would he do it, bro?

Because he did it.

God, it's so dumb.

Why would he do it?

Why would this guy who was holding a bloody knife right next to this dead body, why would he hold that bloody knife?

That's a terrible idea.

Why would he let someone tell him to hold that knife?

It's a terrible idea for him to be.

It's bad advice.

He goes to this dead body and then he holds the knife of the person.

Ah, that's a terrible idea.

He needs better counsel about what to hold.

That's really the issue.

Absolutely.

And I'm just watching the Trump administration's self-harm, and I'm just sitting here

saying,

you're the lifeboat here.

Like, we know the Democrats and the Globalists are as evil as it gets.

We know it's 90-plus% Democrats and leftists with the Epstein thing.

We know it's Bill Gates and all the rest of them.

Why would you do this?

And it's because they made a deal to roll over and stop opposing Trump.

You can already see it.

And they said, oh, just one thing.

We want you to join in the cover-up with us so you'll never bring it out against us again.

We want you to say it's closed and there was nothing there.

And they give them a list of it.

And then it happens.

And Trump just thinks it's the right thing to do and he's got so much support he can do it.

I mean, it's not like I'm not up here telling Trump how to cover things up.

I'm here exposing the whole thing, but I'm also saying, who who isn't giving you people this advice?

Because for heaven's sakes, if you're going

to use the blackmail file in the deep state and you're going to do all that, then shut up.

Don't treat us like we're stupid.

Because we're not.

It really feels like Alex is trying to advise Trump on how he should cover up this Epstein stuff by just shutting up and using it to blackmail Alex's enemies.

Seems very very emphatic about that.

Yeah.

I love the part of Alex's fantasy where the globalists have to insist that Trump's Department of Justice puts out a memo saying that there's no evidence of the Epstein trafficking stuff as if the government works on a no-take-back system.

Like,

the FBI said this now, they can't possibly ever say something different later.

What would happen?

All smooth sailing.

Chaos.

This is an aspect of the narrative that sounds ridiculous and wouldn't be necessary if Trump just took Alex's advice and shut up.

Because Trump keeps talking and saying really suspicious stuff, Alex has to try to explain that all the way because this is Alex still trying to defend Trump.

It just looks like shit because there isn't a good explanation for any of this.

Yeah.

Like, it's, yeah, he's saying there's a cover-up, but that's because the alternative is so much worse.

Yeah, you can't, you can't, like, knowledge of good and evil this.

Once you have it, it's too late.

You can't be like, oh, man, if I didn't know this, I could totally still support Trump.

I would have all of the support of Trump I need.

So what if I just didn't know this?

That's not how it works.

You know it now.

Too late.

Yep.

You're fucked.

Get out of the garden, dude.

The veil has been lifted in terms of what's plausible.

Now, here's my favorite clip that we've had in a long time.

All right.

Now, I think there's, you know, there's some historical stuff that maybe people would argue about, but there's one glaring error in this clip.

I'm going to play it.

Mike down for this.

I want to see if you catch it, because I think you might.

And they tried to kill Hitler in Operation Valkyrie, and they failed.

It wasn't the German high command weren't Nazis.

It wasn't the German high command.

No, they knew they'd lost.

The Russians, by then, were out producing weapons three to one.

They knew the U.S.

was getting ready to invade.

And so they said, all right,

but they'd only get about half the German officers to be part of it.

They wanted a new person to lead Germany.

They thought, well, who's as popular as Hitler?

Only one person.

Rommel.

The desert fox.

And of course, right after they tried to blow Trump up in the wolf's lair,

with the explosive,

they placed it up against the big table legs so it was deflected.

Hitler was hard to kill.

They learned that in World War I.

Blew him to the wall, but he still got up and went back to work with his arm paralyzed.

Oops.

That's unfortunate.

Sometimes, you know,

you can be like, ah, Sigmund Freud was a coked-up lunatic who was probably just touching people inappropriately.

But sometimes you go, that Freudian slip thing, he was on to something there.

He was on to something.

Hitler was hard to kill, just like Trump saying, fight, fight, fight.

And Butler.

Hey, come on.

We all misspeak.

I'm not going to be the person who's like, this means everything, but it's funny.

Well, okay, so we all misspeak.

Oftentimes, whenever we mix up words that sound similar or have similar meanings, or we intend to say one word and it comes out as the other words combine together.

And sometimes words do not sound at all alike.

Like Trump and Hitler?

Yeah.

And the only thing that connects those two things is very suspicious that you would connect those two things that way as well.

Yeah.

Yeah, like if they occupy a similar kind of role

in your mind as like heroic figures.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Weird.

Weird, weird, weird.

Strange.

So Alex plays a clip of Ben Shapiro

talking some shit.

Sure.

And I think that

this is a weird thing because, like,

I don't care about Ben Shapiro, but Alex is clearly misrepresenting what he's saying.

Yeah.

But here's Ben Shapiro saying, none of you ever had any evidence.

There's no evidence.

Do you hear this memo says there's no evidence?

There's just people in prison that worked with him for human trafficking, but that didn't happen either.

Nope, your FBI said it.

Trump said it.

So you're either with Trump and Bongino, or you're with that crazy guy who admits he's fake, Alex shows.

Did I say that was fake?

Oh, well, CNN said in the court filing, didn't say that.

But that's what they do.

An intelligence agency talking point.

Here come the Israelis to the rescue.

The bugle, the cavalry.

Here comes Ben Shapiro.

Here he is.

We now have the answers.

And the problem is this.

People who never hedged their bets, people who never at any point suggested to you that they don't have data to back up the speculation, that the speculation was in and of itself the conclusion that if you speculate without evidence, that that amounts to an actual conclusion to an investigation, they're going to be very upset today because it turns out that the DOJ and the FBI have concluded that Epstein didn't have a client list and died by suicide, according to a memo detailing the findings obtained by Axios.

Now, again, does this put to bed like all inquiries?

Of course not.

People can continue to speculate as much as they want.

And I think there's still open questions here regarding how did Epstein make his money?

That's a very serious open question.

The speculation for a long time was he made his money from blackmail.

But the DOJ and the FBI, again, run by people like Dan Bongino and Cash Patel and Pam Bondi, are telling you,

I'm not telling you, they're telling you, people who are members of the Trump administration, people you elected and put into these positions to get you the truth on this matter, are telling you that he didn't, in fact, he was not murdered, he did not keep a client list, and he did not blackmail powerful figures.

That is the thing that they are saying, not I, they are saying this.

If you're willing to throw that over and claim they're lying, then I'd like to see you present your evidence that they are, in fact, lying because I know Dan.

I don't think that Dan Baggino is lying to me.

I know Cash Patel a little bit.

I don't think Cash Patel is lying to me.

What did Patel say on Rogan a few months ago?

He goes, listen, Joe, you know me.

You can trust me.

Alex should really listen to these clips before he plays them because this is another example of one that doesn't say what he claims it does.

It's hard not to see that as a sign of either deception or incompetence.

And I hate to say that Ben is making a good point, but he's right in that clip.

The FBI has said that they don't have the evidence, and it's not the FBI you can just pretend is run by the evil Democrats because Trump is in charge and he picked all of the leaders.

You're welcome to disagree with their conclusion, but Ben wants to know what your evidence is to disagree with it.

And also speculation doesn't count as evidence.

I don't know Ben's track record on this issue, so I don't have any idea if he's consistent here with what he's always said.

And I do think that he's full of shit generally, but that clip isn't him telling everyone to stop questioning the Epstein stuff.

He's saying that you shouldn't confuse having questions with finding answers.

Basically, Ben is saying that the it's all the deep state type arguments, they're becoming implausible, since Trump's guys pretty much run all of the government now.

The team you wanted is in charge, so you can take your word, uh, their word on this that they have done the investigation, or you can decide that they're lying.

Ben seems to largely have taken their word for it, whereas Alex desperately doesn't want to do that because it's not viable for his brand.

But he's also not willing to

deal with what Ben is actually saying, which is like, hey, you have a choice now.

Yeah, you have a choice.

No, Ben is presenting the correct choice and he's making the wrong choice, but he is presenting the choice.

Well, they're both wrong choices, but Ben is more or less saying

the power has made its choice.

They are saying there is no evidence here.

I mean, if you want to maintain proximity to power, this is the choice that you need to make.

If you want to maintain these conspiracies, the burden of proof is now on you to argue that the FBI is lying, and that will probably drive you away from proximity to power.

That's how it works.

That's what he, that's.

There's no other way to put it.

This is, I mean, it's, it's,

what else do you say?

These are the guys you elected.

If you don't like their answer, it's your fault.

How do you not understand that?

Yeah.

I already chose.

I knew they were lying about all kinds of shit.

Why would I give a fuck now?

I think that Ben is essentially making an argument about the dynamics of this media space.

Yeah.

That like you now, you have these paths in front of you, and you can choose your path.

I've chosen this.

Yep.

And Alex clearly is wanting to choose the other.

And he's

going to

drive himself away from Trump.

You're too far down the path, buddy.

In for a penny, in for a pound.

Yep.

Yep.

So

I think that Alex really wants another story to cover.

Yeah.

Because we need to get away from all this episodes.

It'd be nice.

It's too much.

Yeah.

Well, now this report.

U.S.A.I.D.

quietly sent thousands of viruses to the infamous Wuhan lab.

Yeah, we're all taught USAID feeds starving people.

That's less than 1% of what what they do.

It doesn't even stand for aid.

The U.S.

Agency for International Development reportedly shipped thousands of viruses to a Chinese military-linked bio lab in Wuhan.

U.S.

aid sent 11,000 viral samples to the Wuhan Institute of Orology over the course of a 10-year program under Obama,

despite not having any formal agreement with the laboratory, according to documents obtained by the Daily Caller, the viruses were reportedly sent from China's Yunnan province to Wuhan, the infamous epicenter of the Chinese coronavirus pandemic.

So, this isn't news.

It's just slightly repackaging things we already knew in order to create some kind of exciting conspiracy headline in hopes of distracting from the Epstein story.

This goes back to a Daily Caller story that covers a $210 million contract USAID had with the University of California, Davis, who ran a program called Predict.

Part of the funding involved transportation of samples collected in China to the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which makes sense.

The big complaint I can see in the Daily Caller article seems to be that it wasn't a U.S.-run lab, and it should have been because it was U.S.

funding.

And I guess there's a small resource allocation issue people can argue about, but it doesn't prove that this is where COVID came from.

I mean, it's grasping its straws, and this feels fucking desperate.

I mean, just think about the budget allocation implications of this.

Do you not understand?

Alex wants it to look like they're shipping in like germs from Germany or something like that for warfare, but it's like this is the closest competent lab to where these samples are.

Totally like regular

all the time.

Yeah.

All the time.

You're just not paying attention to it.

Right.

Yeah.

It really just feels like, hey, maybe this will work.

Well, people go crazy for COVID conspiracies.

Maybe we bring that one back.

You're not going to get past the fact that you yourself have said, my guy is a globalist leader now.

Yeah.

It's like this Epstein story puts you a mile underground.

Yeah.

And you think, like, okay, I can get up a foot with this COVID thing.

It's like, it's going to take you forever to get out of this conspiracy hole.

You are not Uma Thurman.

No.

And another thing that he tries is

a, like, hey, they're going to investigate Comey and them.

They're going to, they're going to do Russia gate.

They're going to figure it out.

Unfortunately, he has Kyle Serafin on his FBI whistleblowers on.

And he's like, they're not actually going to investigate Kome.

Of course they're not.

And not only that, he's like, this is clearly an attempt to distract from the upside stuff.

Anybody with a brain hate seeing this self-harming by the Trump administration, but since we talked on Monday,

the consensus has formed that this is some type of backroom deal with the Mossad, MI6, the U.S.,

and it is too damaging to come out.

And so now we're supposed to just stop talking about it.

Well, then they should have just stopped talking about it instead of making it a thousand times worse.

This is turning into the mother of all Streisand effects.

You sent me some videos to go to as well.

We also have reportedly a criminal investigation now launched into Comey, Brennan, and Clapper during the firestorm.

I was told four months ago and reported it that there was criminal investigations going on by someone in the Justice Department.

And so I don't think it's a total lie that they just did it to cover up the last story, but I think they reported it to change the subject.

What do you know?

You got the floor, Kyle Serapin.

Yeah, well, first of all, it looks like a complete cover-up with the announcement of investigations, the fact that Fox News is going to go out there and push their piece, and you're hearing them say that they're going to investigate Comey and they're going to go after Brennan and all this kind of nonsense.

You know, unless they have a capital offense,

which is basically not a realistic possibility, these are not prosecutable investigations.

Alex, you know this too.

When they want to go out there and do an investigation, they investigate you, period.

They don't tell you.

They don't warn you.

There's no press release.

There's no like leak it to Fox News digital so that they can go out and have a, you know, favorable headline when you have an investigation.

Years later

because you've been indicted.

And the guy gives you a notice that you've been under investigation, or you have to respond to a grand jury.

That's right.

This is exactly correct.

There's an indictment, you get subpoenaed, and you're made aware of it, or you're arrested.

That's how you find out that there was an investigation.

This sort of messaging saying we're going to be doing a, and I love it when they always use the word probe for some reason.

Probe seems to be like a Fox News word.

But when you want to go out and announce that you're going to investigate, that is 100% deflection, trying to get attention on something else.

Please follow the shiny object, follow the squirrel, follow the laser pointer.

Take your pick.

It's not real.

Ah, shit.

Well,

that's going to be...

That makes it more difficult for me to distract people with the shiny object.

You ask me.

I mean, wow.

Yeah.

Way to, I mean, I suppose, credit where it's due, that was well dismantled.

That was well taken apart.

And I think it's also like

it really deepens the conspiracy that Trump is involved in.

Yes.

Because now he's trying to manipulate the media through fake investigations and things in order to distract people.

He's using the FBI to threaten journalists to stop covering it.

Like, this is a crazy

story.

All active steps you take

are going to lead towards destruction.

Whether or not a passive non-step will avoid destruction remains to be seen.

Probably not.

Anything you do only makes things more suspicious because there's only one thing that you can do to make things not be suspicious, which is not be guilty of the thing.

And we can't do that.

Yeah,

the explanations that you need to try to use to explain the situation are things that innocent people would never do.

Why?

What are you talking about?

They're insane.

They're an insane thing to do.

You could have gone to like the Waffle House.

It would have been fine.

Yeah.

So I think that Kyle might be a fella who's

getting in on the Alex will let anyone on, or maybe he takes payment for playment.

Hey, it's possible.

A playola, if you will.

And I think that we get a little bit of

them not being quite on the same page here.

And you said it to me this morning.

I told my wife because it was too funny.

You know, they tried to release this thing like a fart in church

and they didn't get away with it because it squeaked really, really loudly.

And so the Streisen effect you're pointing out is obviously the case.

It's totally damaging.

This might be the this, as Tucker said, it might be one of the worst rollouts of anything.

I think we've got a clip of Mike Howell talking about this.

It's a class on how to not do it.

Yeah, let's go to that clip of this.

Is a class on how to not do it.

Here is the

Mike Howell clip.

You guys gave me that clip.

You had it.

You came in and gave it to me.

Well, maybe we don't have it then.

That has Schachter energy.

That has Alex.

Like, this guy has his own agenda.

He's brought his clips that he's going to make Alex play and we're going to do this thing.

And Alex is like, didn't work.

His enthusiasm.

His enthusiasm is infectious.

He brought me the clip, but I don't know.

I don't know if the clip is here or not here.

You can play it.

Whatever.

Who cares?

You don't believe me.

I'm alone.

It does feel like he just wishes he could fade into the background.

Do I need to be here for this?

You paid for it.

Yeah.

I'm happy to chime in when things are running smoothly, but you didn't get us the fucking clip, Absolutely.

Absolutely.

And so Alex seems to get a little bit more annoyed by this.

You can work with me on this because you just came on.

I love our guests, but you'll send us a bunch of articles and documents two minutes before.

I'm not mad.

The crew has all the clips.

They just don't know who Mike Howell is.

And so I'm like, go to Mike Howells.

So just look here with me, Kyle.

Let's go over the clips you sent.

We'll produce here on air right now.

Oh, Redshot.

Is this my Cal?

This is my Campbell one.

Okay.

Let's talk about the other ones.

So these are the things you sent us.

It's all very interesting.

Well, actually, let me tell you that one you just picked up.

If you go back to the Washington Times piece, this is just

inside kind of information here.

The piece is written.

It's not as important what it says that, you know, FBI launches criminal investigation.

It's a scoop.

What's important is the source and the actual writer.

So if you'll notice the byline there, it's Carrie Pickett.

Carrie Pickett is an, I'll call her an acquaintance of mine.

And she's the person that introduced me to Dan Bongino.

So I know she knows Dan well enough because

they used to talk in the background and they connected the two of us together in the first place.

So Carrie Pickett is a soft and friendly source for the FBI to leak this information.

And again, I just told you, that information is obviously bogus because you can't go after Comey for anything that's not capital.

And there's no indication there's a capital crime there.

So just that's the reason why that story is relevant.

The headline is almost all of it.

And the byline is actually as important as anything else.

But the Mike Howell, in his own words, you know, he's an attorney.

He's been around DC for a long time.

He's worked in and out of government and in oversight now.

It's a useful clip if you guys want to hear people in his own words.

Well, we do have the Mike Howell clip from the Oversight Project again.

Tell us who this guy is.

Who Mike is?

Yeah, sure.

Yeah, sure.

Yeah, sure.

Sure.

Who fucking cares?

Mike,

Dyke, whatever you want.

I don't care.

Alex is pissed.

That is an angry man.

But

in the interest of fairness, once they actually do play the clip, Alex gets pretty excited because it works for him.

But the process of this is torturous.

I found a penny.

Oh, my God.

So, yeah,

that has all the fingerprints of a guy who's

just sort of renting out time on his show.

Kyle Seraphin gets to decide what we're doing.

We usually smooth a little bit of this out beforehand, but he didn't number the clips or something.

So, yeah, it's a little clunky.

Yeah, and he's coming in confident with all of his conclusions made.

He's not coming in like, Alex, let's kind of work out some ideas.

He's like, we know this is bullshit.

And I was like, ah, come on, man.

Yep.

And so Kyle actually does have a theory about how Trump could have made this catastrophic error

that somehow doesn't involve Trump wanting to cover the story up.

Okay.

I'm listening.

It's not great.

So why do they want it closed?

I think that there's also a secondary piece of it.

I think they want it closed because they don't want to mess with it.

And I think it's ugly.

And there's a decent chance that Trump, you and I may differ in opinion on this one.

You think that he's using the tool.

If that's the case, that's the worst capability ever.

Dancing with the devil, literally using the devil's tools

to control evil people is a

you don't bet on the good guys winning on on that.

So I'm kind of hopeful that that's not the case.

And I don't really deal in hope.

What I do think is that these people were advised by the worst possible actors inside DOJ and also the same thing in the FBI.

Like most of the middle management there are looking for a Dan Bongino to fail, looking for a cash Patel to fail.

And so if they're out there, Palmer's really set up Nixon.

I think you might be right.

I'm 50-50 now.

I think these people are setting him up to fail.

They said, this is not as big a deal as you think.

Like all we got to do is talk about it.

You can see this being downbriefed, Alex.

If you came in and I showed it this morning, hey, hey, President Trump, by the way, we shut down the Epstein investigation.

There was nothing there.

He's out there looking at World War III and in Russia and Ukraine.

And he's looking at a peace deal that happens in, you know, Iran and Israel.

And he's got a million things.

He's trying to figure out whether or not he's going to have the same Federal Reserve chairman and so on.

You know, he's got 20 things up there that are all high-level importance.

Someone tells him, We shut down the Epstein thing, we didn't find anything there.

He goes, great, no big deal.

They didn't go, hey, sir, by the way, the people who voted for you that really wanted that executive order are going to lose their ever-loving minds if you say that an elite pedophile was able to get away with it and that we are proving that there is a second system of justice in America, that the rich and the elite and the powerful and the corrupt can get away with hurting babies and nobody cares.

If you told him that, he might be like, holy crap, like you better take another look at this before I go talk about it.

I don't think that's what they did.

I think they slowplayed it, they underbriefed it, and then he goes out there and he actually probably was surprised that people were asking about it because, you know, he's not on social media the way that guys like you and I are.

He's just not.

Yeah, very well said.

Well, yeah, Trump's just not on Twitter enough.

You know, he doesn't get it.

He doesn't understand how seriously people take this and how much of a betrayal this will be.

If only he was on Twitter more, he would never have acted like that.

He would have understood.

Okay, so essentially he's boiling this entire thing down to like some

middle managers in the FBI were sitting around in a conference room and one guy was like, 50 bucks, Trump says anything we tell him to say.

And the other guy goes, I'll take that bet.

Let's say that Epstein didn't do it.

And they're like, no way will anybody, no way is he going to say that.

You'd have to be an idiot to say that.

That would take our bosses down.

Let's do it.

Let's try.

Let's see what happens.

All right.

Gentleman's wager.

Is that how that works, huh?

I guess.

I guess it could.

Yeah, middle management is really sinking everybody on this one.

Traditionally.

Which is convenient because Trump has appointed all of the people.

Yeah, it's always nice whenever the nameless people are at fault who we can never find or punish or face consequences.

That deeper state.

Oh, those states.

They just keep going down.

Fuck.

I do love the idea that a bunch of Twitter addicts are like, Trump's not on Twitter enough.

That's why he fucked this up.

I mean, yeah.

He doesn't have the temperature of the people.

What have we been doing for the past 10 years?

I don't believe that this excuse can work because Trump would have to be so.

like, you know, they talk about how,

like, Biden can't talk and he doesn't know what reality is.

Yeah.

Trump would have to be far beyond that to not understand how important this is to his base.

I mean,

you know, okay, so sometimes if you think or say something like, only an idiot would do that, then that is also a retroactive statement through which you should view the rest of the things that he has done.

So if only an idiot would do that, perhaps the other things he has done were done by an idiot.

And if they were done by an idiot, perhaps I, in fact, am the idiot.

Well, even beyond being done by an idiot,

this action that Trump is making does not change my opinion on Trump.

This is in line with about the character that I have considered him to have for a long time.

Oh, yeah.

And so I don't really need to update all that much.

I think maybe it's a little more brazen than I would have expected, a little bit more reckless, but it's in line with his character.

For Alex, it's not.

No, it can't be.

Yeah.

This cannot be.

Yeah, so that's why he needs the demon.

Yeah, but sometimes when you say only an idiot would do that, you're right.

There's no going back.

You know how you become an idiot.

How?

Demon gets in you.

You got to go.

Yeah, you got to go with demon, walk-in, clone, or robot.

Yep.

You got to do it.

Yep.

There's nothing else to do but say, that is a different man.

I would even go so far as to say changeling.

Let's do changeling.

Sure.

He's a tiny Irish child that came back wrong.

Shape.

That's fine.

Yeah, that's fine.

There's a million possibilities, and they're all crazy.

And Alex needs to commit to it or else

he's going to drift into this Nazi territory

and then still fuck everything up.

Think about how much more fun your life is if instead of going like, oh, it's Israel's fault, you go like, maybe aliens made a clone.

That's a more fun life.

Yeah, you can still very clearly signal on like a crypto dog whistling level to the neo-nazi israeli aliens right yeah you can do that yeah but your life is more fun if you just get wacky with it absolutely because it's not going to get more fun any other direction no no there is no direction where you're like whoo this is fun yeah getting closer to reality is gonna suck yeah so we have one last clip here and uh it's uh Kyle and Alex talking about how

the FBI, it's being run like a Twitter account.

Then Alex says some harsh truths.

These are media guys.

Patel, Bondi's been around media a lot.

She's been on Fox an awful lot.

Bongino, obviously, as well.

They're media, which means they're savvy, which means they know they're lying.

They know they're trying to spin, and they're being run by PR people, which is exactly what a senior FBI supervisor told me the other day.

The FBI is currently being run basically like a social media influencer camp, and they're just getting moved by the waves and the waves of the public opinion that they send out on Epstein.

If they're going to cover up Epstein, shut up.

I mean, that's not.

Yeah, that would have been the best move.

All right, Kyle Serafin, very interesting.

We just

move forward.

Thanks for talking to us.

Yeah, you bet.

Thanks, Alex.

All right, let's get Matt Bracken on.

I apologize for getting him on 14 minutes late, but I had to finish up with that.

Look,

here's what's going on in my brain.

All I can do with viewers and listeners is just tell you what I'm thinking.

When I'm cutting drowning something in issue, I know what I stand for.

Second Amendment, pro-life, national sovereignty, anti-nuclear war.

I actually stand on that.

Trump's doing a lot of good, and then I'm starting to see some bad.

And I'm kind of having thoughts.

Am I spending too much time on this Epicene fiasco or not enough?

And I think I'm spending a lot of time on it to get messages up to the Trump administration, which we know they're watching, and the FBI.

Whoever's setting you up to do this stuff, you need to fire them.

Because you're doing the dumbest stuff I've ever seen.

You just saw the Heritage Foundation say, this is a really smart club.

This is the dumbest thing they've ever seen.

That's what I've been saying since Monday.

This is some stupid shit.

Everybody agrees.

Why is this so complicated when it is obviously simple and they agree with it?

Yeah, just about everybody who has an opinion is that they all agree that this is stupid.

It starts with...

You should have shut up.

Every opinion about like where to go or what they did wrong and any specifics it starts with, all of these people go, oh, well, you shouldn't have said anything, which shouldn't fit within their character whatsoever.

No, it's very suspicious for the conspiracy people to be like, they should have covered this up with silence.

Absolutely.

Which suggests you already knew.

You just knew.

You already knew.

You already knew.

So what's stupid is that they're putting what you already knew out in public.

Yeah, and what's stupid is what Alex is being forced to do

as an explanation.

Like pretending that

they're getting bad advice and the Trump administration's being set up, and all this stuff.

Like, that's dumb.

And Alex is forced to do that because the alternative is so much worse.

Yeah.

And his hand is being forced to do that by them not shutting up.

They need to shut up.

Yeah.

And Trump does not.

It seems, it seems, again, it seems so simple to me.

Like, any political philosophy that keeps you from saying,

yeah, I want pedophiles to be in trouble for that, is not a good political philosophy.

No,

it's building a house on sand.

Yeah, you know, like, oh,

what team are you on?

Don't care if one of them is a pedophile.

I am no longer on that team, and I hope he's no longer on that team.

Especially when it's not even just these crimes that are being committed against children.

It is also that they are the cornerstone of a blackmail operation that is responsible for literally everything that has ever happened in the world.

Every conspiracy traces back to

people being able to

maintain their power through this.

If Alex actually believes in that construct of the world, then he can't possibly

be like that.

It's not possible.

No.

It has to be.

We have to escape possibility and head straight towards fantasy.

Yep.

Yep.

And that's why this is the stupidest shit ever.

It's got it.

It's stupid.

Yep.

You're playing in the wrong sandbox.

You're playing in the what's possible sandbox, and you got to play in the anything's possible sandbox.

Yep.

And that's, I think, a large piece of it is

the what's possible sandbox is the one that is closer to where power can be.

Yeah.

Like the

crazy nonsense, you're never really going to get close to institutional power.

Right.

If you're talking about aliens and walk-ins and all this stuff,

you're abandoning your ability to ever really be taken seriously seriously by institutions.

Yeah.

And Alex has come close enough to being able to present himself as like, I briefed the president and all this that like he can't let that go.

Yeah.

He's taken,

he's put on the ring.

He's put on the library.

No, everybody has made so many bad decisions to lead us to this point.

All of these people agree that we should not be here and agree that they've made bad decisions and yet at the same time, all agree to continue doing the same stuff.

And that will definitely not be a problem.

Jesus Christ.

So we'll see how this deteriorates.

I mean, we're a few days away from Trump saying, I don't want you losers as my fans.

I mean, so.

Oh, boy.

Wild.

Good times.

What a world.

Yep.

So we'll check in on that.

But until then, we have a website.

Indeed, we do.

It's KnowledgeFight.com.

Yep.

We'll be back.

But until then, I'm Neo.

I'm Leo.

I'm DZX Clark.

I am the mysterious professor.

Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo.

And now here comes the sex robots.

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.

Thanks for holding.

Hello, Alex.

I'm a first-time caller.

I'm a huge fan.

I love your work.

I love you.