#1030: Mystery Babylon 3 & 4

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Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.

I'm Dan.

I'm Jordan.

We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

Oh, indeed, we are.

Dan.

Jordan.

Dan.

Jordan.

Quick question for you.

What's your bright spot today, buddy?

I guess my bright spot today is that there's a new season of Taskmaster coming up.

Ooh.

And Jason Manzukas is on it.

Oh, I'm so excited.

And

I am so thrilled for whatever that's going to be.

Like, he's such a chaotic, fun kind of element.

And I think

he has,

as someone who's listened to a number of podcasts that

he has guested on and been a part of and seen a number of his pieces of work,

he has high status in his comedic persona.

He performs and it is...

it is a trouncing of the people around him.

And to see how that's going to interact with a taskmaster and Greg, I find I don't know what I should expect.

And I'm interested in that.

So I'm excited.

I could not be more excited because the energy is similar to like Acaster in terms of

one, and just sheer funniness and steamroll ability.

Like once he gets going, get out of his way.

Sure.

You're not involved there.

But James Acaster is also a younger man.

And so him and Greg's kind of thing was like a teacher student, kind of like

I was you, but I don't want you to get away with stuff kind of thing.

And it's great.

Yeah.

These are two old men.

This is not a student.

I'm Jason fucking Manzukas.

Yeah, yeah.

I see the energy that he would have with Alex

and just crushing him.

Yeah.

I see that being very easy to imagine.

Yep.

But with Greg,

who knows?

I don't know if there could be any human being more

suited to

trying to cleverly solve absurd tasks and making it electric to watch, right?

Sure.

And someone who, like, in the studio bits will pose a great challenge for Greg to maintain his authority.

Spectacular.

Yeah, so that'll be great.

I'm excited.

What's your bright spot?

My bright spot, I think I could say a few things, but honestly, today

I'm going to go as mundane as humanly possible.

This is my Vonnegut.

You know, if things are nice, say things are nice, right?

I took the hell out of a shower.

Okay.

I took such a great shower today.

You know, when you walk out of a shower and you feel like clean.

That's generally how I feel.

But like, but like there are no bacteria.

There's no, there's no even invisible.

There's, I'm, I'm Mr.

Clean.

I am this kind of clean, and I just, it was just great.

It felt great.

And so I'm acknowledging that sometimes that is a great feeling.

Let me ask you a few questions about your routine.

Sure.

What What type of shampoo do you use?

My wife gets me whatever shampoo is from someplace that makes good shampoo.

Is it something that has a mentholating effect?

Like, do you get a tingle in your head when you use your shampoo?

No.

Okay.

No, and I think that she has something to do with that.

She buys stuff that's very smart.

Because my hair is on its way out.

It's saying goodbye.

And she's getting me stuff that's like, not just yet.

Not just yet.

We're hanging on, buddy.

That stuff that's the maintenance shampoo.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

The stuff that's part glue.

Probably.

Okay, next question.

Liquid soap or bar?

Liquid soap.

Okay.

Loofah.

Loofah.

Loofah, the only way to go.

Okay.

And then I guess my only other question is in the shower, how regularly do you wash your feet?

Every time.

Every time?

Yeah.

Okay.

I didn't used to wash my feet at all.

Yeah.

Until like probably three or four years ago.

And for some reason, three or four years ago, I really did just start being like, you know what?

I should take care of my skin.

Sure.

You know, I beat lotion up, do all this other stuff.

Every single time I wash my feet in the shower,

I think of that.

There's an Andy Capp cartoon comic strip where he's stepping on a bar of soap and slipping, and he says, I wish there was a better way to do this.

I think about that every time, how terrible that fucking comic strip is.

It was.

And yep.

Yeah.

So anyway, glad you had a good shower.

Yeah, it was great.

So today, Jordan, we got an episode to go over.

We're going to be talking, we're going back to Mystery Babylon.

Oh, all right.

We're going to be talking about...

I wanted to

keep making progress through this.

Yeah.

I think that one of the things that has characterized our show, unfortunately, is a tendency that I have, which is to lose threads.

Sure.

I will embark on something, and then we'll just, you know, we'll get back to it.

And so I wanted to make sure we didn't do that.

We stayed moving forward.

Okay.

As we re-focus on our primary ding-dong,

we also make progress with discovering what the mystery religions are all about.

Sure.

Because

I think that Alex believes some of this stuff too.

Yeah, it would make sense.

Right?

I mean, like, this is part of his cosmology.

Yeah.

He was a fan of Bill Cooper.

This is weird, esoteric nonsense.

Yeah.

So I think there's a value in maintaining some momentum on this.

Yeah, and it's a little bit like a melange, too.

It pulls from so much stuff that, of course,

it must flow, of course.

But, like, Alex pulls from enough of it that even if he isn't, like, directly inspired by it, it's from the same pool of bullshit.

Yeah.

So we will look at three and four.

Episodes three and four of Mystery Babylon today, because three is a dud.

Four, also not great.

Right.

But there's a little bit more meat on the bones for us to talk about.

But three, holy shit.

Not enough mystery.

Nothing.

Nothing is happening.

Holy shit.

It's boring.

Just a discussion of various Egyptian deities.

Great.

Oh, boy.

Anyway, we'll get down to business on this.

But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.

Ooh, that's a great idea.

So, shout out to Joy.

I've been listening since 2019, and I start every work day and road trip with, thank you so much, you're now policywalk.

I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

I think there might have been something after that width that you cut off.

I believe it was you.

I think whenever I copy and pasted it, I lost the Y-O-U.

All right.

Well, next, the Consortium of Women who convinced Alex that he impregnated them with a gaze and scammed him out of $300 a piece.

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Thank you very much.

So I think that

one of the things that I'm trying to focus on, like I said, is doing these things that you mean to do and you lose sight of.

And so Mystery Babylon has existed in our heads for a long time to the point where some people will use shout-out names that sass

about how we need to do it.

And I feel like checking that off the list is important to me.

And unfortunately, the experience of going through it, like I said, three is

if

I were listening to it for sport, just for fun,

I would be gone.

I would tune out.

It's that dull.

Makes sense.

Except for one part towards the end of three,

the third third lecture of Mystery Babylon.

I mean, he's essentially reading somebody else's book to you, too.

A lot of it is just that Manly P.

Hall book.

Right.

That is true.

There's a lot of that that's, yeah, it's going to be dull.

He's reading a dull book.

It's kind of the way that Alex will read a headline and then yell a couple things.

Yeah.

Bill's doing that, but with the text of this Manly P.

Hall book about Egypt and Freemasons.

Yeah.

And so that is.

You start to feel like, why am I even listening to this?

I should just read the Manly P.

Hall book.

But then there's every now and again, there are just moments that are like, uh-oh, this could be interesting.

And it turns out, towards the end of this third episode, Bill reveals that this has to do with Atlantis.

Oh, hell yeah.

Osiris is the primitive revelation of the first race.

But as Isis was born upon the fourth day, we find this tradition coming into Egypt through the Atlantean mystery school of which Isis is the symbol.

And you will find at the base of all of these things

Atlantis.

Francis Bacon wrote about Atlantis.

Hitler believed in Atlantis.

So you know it's a country the Freemasons established the city of Atlanta as the new Atlantis.

And all of this will come together for you.

It took me many, many, many years of study deep into the night.

And trying to discuss this with other people had no idea what I was talking about.

So most of it was put together in loneliness late at night.

And then when I established my organization known as the Citizens Agency for Joint Intelligence, many others began to help and

furnish bits and pieces of information.

And we have succeeded, folks, in infiltrating the lodge.

We have members in the lodge who feed us information constantly.

Too much, in fact.

Members

whom we taught how to take an oath so that the oath of Freemasonry would not be binding upon them.

Words, mainly.

Have to play sometimes by the rules of the enemy in order to beat the enemy.

And we are beating the enemy now.

So I thought that this was an interesting clip amidst a lot of rambling about and like just stories about Osiris and Isis and what have you.

Sure.

Because this is so Alexy.

This is, I'm fighting imaginary, I'm fighting ghosts.

Yep.

And I have devised a way that you can take an oath and not mean it so you could get into the you could get into the basins without giving up your soul.

Crazy.

Right.

An absolutely crazy thing to say.

I have discovered lying.

What?

What are you talking about?

No one else has been able to infiltrate the lodge because they didn't know how to lie.

Unreal.

Unreal.

But that is

so much that somewhere within this man is a belief that there is a cosmic contract.

Yes, and magic.

Yeah, that you cannot, that like you physically, in the universe we inhabit, cannot break once you establish this thing or you will receive unearthly consequences.

And it does seem to imply that he and his Kaji members, the citizen journalist, whatever, intelligence, joint intelligence, excuse me.

Yeah.

That is where he'll teach you how to take this oath.

And it also costs $45 to join.

Of course it does.

So there does seem to be a little bit of a uh

a little bit of a scammy thing going on but

I think that there's a real pathos and I think there's a real human thing that he's expressing when he says that I stayed up long nights I know reading this stuff and talking to people who had no idea what I was talking about

I think that there is some real

feeling of like I was I was alone and then I found conspiracy folks and everyone knew what I was talking about, and it didn't sound crazy.

I found my people.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I was listening to that, and I thought,

because the moment he brought up Atlantis and Atlanta.

You're talking about Hotlantis?

I was like, we're off to a great start.

But then I immediately went to Atlanta, Ted Turner, and then I went to Duke Phillips.

And I was like, oh, if Bill Cooper were in the critic, Duke Phillips would

fulfill all of his ideas, basically, right?

Duke is like, like, it would be a Duke tastrophe, what we're dealing with here.

It would be.

Like, he would get it.

I think I would, I think it makes perfect sense.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, like I said, the third one is not, there's not much going on, and I found myself almost falling asleep through parts of it.

But as a refresher, I guess, what do we know?

Ooh, as a refresher, of what can you help as a pupil, the eye of Horace.

Can you tell me what we

like a recap?

What we've established, I think,

because here's the important parts to me.

Okay.

What we've established is that he is talking about something they believe that he does not, even though I think he kind of does.

I think he kind of does.

Yeah.

He is also talking about something that is older than Christianity.

Yes.

But he believes is subjected to or subjugated by Christianity.

He believes that Christianity is correct.

Right.

And that they believe that Christianity is a perversion of their mystery religion.

Right.

Yes.

Right.

Then he believes that there is,

like,

I don't know.

I don't know if there's a pantheon so much within the mystery of Babylon.

This is something that I can throw around from

three.

Okay.

Lecture three.

And that is that there is not so much a pantheon as all of of these deities are metaphors for things.

Okay, that's kind of what I was worried about here.

I wasn't sure exactly how far he was talking about with the gods.

Right.

So there's like an esoteric truth and an exoteric truth.

Sure.

And the esoteric truth is known to the initiates and the select few, and that is that like there isn't actually an Isis or an Osiris.

These are metaphors for things.

Sun and the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Sure, sure.

And the exoteric belief is whatever you want to believe, the cult doesn't care.

Yeah, that does make sense.

If you believe that Horus is a person or Osiris is a person, they don't give a shit.

You can believe that if you're.

You're already in.

Right.

Yeah.

Or you're out.

You're the exo.

You're the people on the outside.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Your beliefs in the reality of deity and all this stuff isn't really important to them.

So that's kind of the way that this, the mythology is understood.

And then from there, it really does feel like everything else is just like,

ah, these words sound similar.

Atlanta, Atlanta.

Atlanta, Atlanta.

You can see that it's similar.

There is a lot of that.

Yeah.

That seems to be

the Mason's center stone of the building.

Which is why I think it's hard for me to remember specifics after that, because once we get into a, oh, these two sound alike, and that's it, then I just shut down.

I don't also absorb the other information about why the sun and then sundial are like some yeah it's really especially when like you have these words that sound similar and they're being presented as being connected and that's wrong right that when you have failed on that level it calls into question your ability to assess a lot of the other information

and that's a problem for bill yeah so we start the fourth lecture okay and this one has a sponsor Well, wait, is that okay?

The other ones didn't have a sponsor so far.

Okay.

And so I was I was intrigued

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Right.

It's unsurprising that this is the kind of sponsor that Bill could have access to.

And that kind of lineage definitely has trickled down to Alex.

You know, like this is,

it's honestly pretty surprising that Bill wouldn't have gotten in some trouble for

an active participant in promoting this.

Yeah.

Because it is mail fraud.

Yep.

It's not just a tax issue.

No.

Like, this is

fraud.

And Bill is an active participant in it.

He says that he has used this himself.

He says that I'm not just a member.

Oh, that's a good idea.

That's your dodge.

He was also a victim.

Yeah, but he's also clearly making a cut.

Yeah, that's definitely true.

You know, he's a middleman, even if he is a victim of the scam.

And it's like, okay, we're talking about the fucking esoteric religion that's behind the world

order and history.

This is your sponsor.

Yeah.

That's bad.

Yeah.

Yeah, you know, that is, that is like a throughout American history, because you're right, there is that lineage that's going through Alex now.

There is a person who is like, here's what people want, to do crime.

Here's what also people want to not feel like they're doing crime.

So how do I tell people to do crime and also make them feel like they're not doing crime?

And that's my business, right?

Well, even if you take it away from crime, it's just like people like to scam.

Yeah, I mean, get away with some.

You know, crime is as far as legal is concerned, more like just get one over on somebody.

Right.

You know?

Yeah, like, you know, Alex.

Look at all these idiots paying taxes.

I have the pilot connection, so I mailed in a thing.

I don't have to pay taxes like the dum-dums here, you know?

Yeah, Alex likes to terrify people about how, like, the money system is going to collapse and everything, and then he sells them gold.

Yep.

Like, it's

it's it this is all just, you know, false promises, and uh it's great.

Here's what the smart people are doing.

Yeah, and then you go, oh, shit.

Yeah, yeah.

But what you're really doing is selling this packet of fake documents and stuff to people who are

probably going to get in trouble themselves.

Like,

what do you even say at that trial?

Oh, yeah, I guess it is a crime.

How about that?

all right well 17 years that sounds about right for me cool

so

he gets into the actual the meat of the the subject gotcha and so the mystery religions they believe that basically

God

put us in ignorance okay and that Satan saved humanity from the bondage of ignorance oh okay so they're doing that okay gotcha the lightbringer side right right right right now this might sound cool well I mean the kids like it, but it's not.

Oh, no!

Because the mystery religion of Babylon believes that man was held prison

in the bonds of ignorance in the Garden of Eden by an unjust, vindictive God.

Lucifer, through his agent, Satan, and many believe them to be the same entity, and that's okay.

Lucifer, through his agent, Satan,

released man from the bonds of ignorance with the gift of intellect.

And through the use of that intellect, man himself will become God.

And that's the heart and soul

of the

dogma of the mystery religion of Babylon.

Now, since I am taking the content of all of these episodes directly from their own teachings and their own writings, so that you'll know that this is exactly what they believe.

Sometimes it may sound to you like these are the good guys,

but remember, they are

the

ultimate perfection of deception and they have intentionally

made it this way so that they can get people to join them and stay with them until they're so deeply involved and committed that it's too late and that is why the degrees of initiation

so

Stick it out and you'll find out that these guys

are the greatest liars, deceivers, manipulators, and scum that exists upon the face of the earth.

Typhon

and their teachings is the desire of the few pitted against the good of the many.

Now, if you understand what I just said,

you understand that these are communists, socialists.

Yeah.

Wow.

This is all communism.

Was it communism pre in like the 700 BC era or wherever?

That was also communism?

International socialism.

Ah, damn.

I've been running this record for a long time.

I like the retreat of the idea that you have,

you know,

they sound good.

Yeah.

But trust me, eventually we'll get to the part where this is bad.

Come on.

It sounds very innocuous to just say that people will use their intellect in order to be godlike.

Yeah.

But that's bad.

Yeah.

And of the devil and communists.

Sure.

You know,

here's what I think.

Coming from it from the opposite direction, right?

So he's from the I am a Christian direction and then the God thing, right?

So I'm coming from this direction.

Okay, mystery religions, you're telling me the intellect can allow me to become God and stuff.

What are we talking about becoming God?

Because if we're talking becoming God, I want some powers.

Right.

You know, like

when I was at the witch store getting your birthday present, there were two people honestly and very seriously discussing the powers of witchcraft that they are going to obtain.

Sure.

Which makes sense to me.

Yes, you're going to get powers.

Of course, right?

It's only if you're just telling me, like, oh, you're going to be at peace or something.

Like, nah, nah, nah, nah.

I don't need that.

Well, I think some of the powers may be things like understanding the processes of nature

in order to act in ways that are in accordance with that so you can like maximize crop yields and

various things like that.

Know when I want to catch a leprechaun.

Okay.

That's going to be tougher.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think that's my bar for all world religions.

Yeah.

Catch a leprechaun.

I don't like to like

shit on people's fun, you know, in terms of magic.

Yeah.

I think that having some fun with the world is pretty necessary.

Yeah.

And I think that however you get it, I'm not going to sit here and be like, you witches can't do shit.

Yeah, yeah.

That seems like a boring and assholish way to go about life.

You're not bothering me.

I'm not bothering you.

At the same time, I think that if someone makes an affirmative statement that they can do magic,

I must see the magic.

100%.

You got to do it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And if you are going to insist on some kind of world that I must adhere to based on that magic, Yeah.

I need to see you shoot lightning bolts or something.

I'll join your team.

If you shoot lightning bolts, like I think of it as a positive.

If you can shoot lightning bolts, I'm on your team.

Right.

Right?

I'll join a lightning bolt team.

Why not?

They can shoot lightning bolts.

Right.

That sounds fun.

A lot of my beliefs about the world are based on

sort of truths that we've uncovered.

Sure.

And a lot of those are called into question when someone can shoot lightning out of their hand.

Yeah, everything changes.

And so I will reassess some of my prior assumptions.

Totally.

Some of the baselines.

I think it's fair.

Yeah.

I'm coming

with open hearts and open eyes.

I want you to shoot lightning.

I want to be on your team.

Because currently, my team has a dearth of lightning shooters.

And I could handle at least one or two of them.

I'll even let you shoot me with the lightning a little bit.

Totally.

You now get a little jolt.

Hey, that'd be fun.

Yeah.

People do that for Zuck stuff, too.

You know, let's have a good time.

Yeah.

So you mentioned Typhon in there, and that's just another member of the Egyptian

gods and stuff.

It will be used as a stand-in for Christianity.

Okay.

So that's the metaphor that it is going to take.

Right.

It's the enemy of the mystery religions.

They don't like Typhon.

Gotcha.

Okay.

Weird.

Yeah.

They got, they got a,

like,

okay, if you don't have any real gods and your idea is that the intellect is going to do the thing, how is Christianity a perversion of that?

You know what I mean?

I think that they would view it as a perversion of it because it's a limiting.

It's a co-opting of this

mystical truth.

But it does kind of run counter to what Bill has already said, too, which is

the exoteric truth of if you want to believe that like these images are

humans or are individuals like Jesus per se, then the mystery schools should have no problem with that.

Yeah, it's they seem to have a problem with Christianity, but not with all the other

personifications of

hidden truths, which is strange.

It almost seems like he has a persecution complex.

Almost like he created an enemy specifically for himself.

Yeah, almost like he's fighting ghosts and has figured out how to lie about them.

Strange.

Cool.

But do you want to pay taxes?

Of course you don't.

Send Bill some money.

So

a lot of the people who have similar beliefs to Bill.

Maybe some of the people who have helped him not feel so alone in the quiet hours of the night

don't like Jewish people so much.

Whoa, wow.

And a part of that is that the Masonic master builder, Hiram the Biff,

is seen as Jewish.

And so

Bill has to counter this or address this.

Oh, boy.

They believe Typhon is the spirit of dissension and discord that breaks up unity of purpose by setting factions against each other so that great issues lose the name of action.

The desire for riches, pomp, power, and listen to this, folks, sovereignty

by which this evil genius was obsessed, reveals the temptation by which humanity is deflected from its ultimate goal and led into the byways of sorrow and despair.

Typhon, the queen of Ethiopia, and the 72 conspirators represent the three destructive powers preserved to modern Freemasonry as the murderers of the master builder Hiram Abif.

You will see that Hiram Abif was never murdered.

In fact, in the Bible you will see that when the Temple of Solomon was completed, he went back home to Tyre.

But in the Freemason legend, Hiram of Biff, the master builder, was killed and the temple was never completed.

So everybody is blaming all of this upon the Jews.

It is not the Jews, folks,

because all of this is a front.

It's symbology for what they really, really mean.

Hiram of Biff

was really, folks,

Jacques De Malay.

of the Knights Temple.

All of this will make much more sense to you.

Several shows down the road because we have lots and lots of information to go through

before you put it all together.

I guarantee this will not make sense

a couple shows from now.

There's no way.

No, you're going to tie all this together.

There is actually a point where Bill is like, it's not the Jews, it's some Jews.

Nailed it.

There we go.

Yeah, there is a certain element of tap the sign to it's not the

tap the sign.

It's not the Jews this time, goddammit.

So, Hiram Abif is a mythical character in Masonic lore who is the chief architect of Solomon's Temple.

He gets confronted by three fellow builders who demand to know his architectural secrets.

What are the Master Mason's secrets?

Right, right, right.

But he refuses to tell them what he knows, so they kill him.

The idea is supposed to be that he was the carrier of the secret Masonic word, sure, and that that secret died with him and was replaced by a fill-in

word.

And like the Masonic tradition from then on

doesn't have the same secret that Hiram Abif had.

Right, right, right.

But what they have is good enough.

Right.

Jacques de Molay was the last head of the Knights Templar.

There's no real way that these two figures can be the same person.

But.

Well, one isn't real.

Timeline's a little strange.

But in the 1700s, some branches of Freemasonry began to believe that De Malay, while he was in charge of the Knights Templar, had come across some secret information at Solomon's Temple.

He had discovered the stuff that was supposed to have died with Hiram Abif, and those secrets were then passed down from him through Masonic tradition.

And so that's where this is coming from, that they're the same person.

Last Crusade shit.

Yeah.

And a lot of this is still just from that Manly P.

Hall book.

He's really just reading that stuff.

And that's why it kind of doesn't make sense.

Yeah.

Like a lot of it is, like, some of it naturally is, I'm playing clips.

I'm not playing the whole thing.

Sure.

But even if you listen to the whole thing, a lot of it does not connect.

Yeah.

Because he's taking just chunks of this book and reading it.

Yeah.

And

it's not going to make sense in a couple episodes.

I don't think it will.

I have faith there will be something.

Maybe.

Here's what I always like about

whenever people are talking about somebody else's religion, whether it's real or fake,

they're always taking it very seriously.

Like, they never really account for are there like Christmas and Easter Mystery Babylon people, you know, like people who don't really

culturally Mystery Babylon, you know, like, hey, man, we don't actually believe in all this sun and solar.

Like, we don't even think false cognates make any sense either.

But we're, you know, you just go along to get along.

That's just how I was raised.

Yeah.

I was raised in Mystery Babylon.

Like,

why are you judging me for this?

I'm not like, you know.

Uh-huh.

Yeah.

I don't want to destroy you.

I just...

I just.

You're the one making us enemies.

Do you understand?

You're the one making us enemies.

I am over here just like having a good time.

This is you, Bill.

Yeah, Bill.

You're trying to do crusades.

I do think that there is something ultimately incredibly funny if we go through all of this and the end result is like, hey, you know what?

This Mystery Babylon sounds pretty normal.

Actually, I'm sold.

If it's even a stealthy evangelical thing for Mystery Babylon.

I assure you it's not.

Trying to start a religion.

Once again, I do think Bill has not done a great job of convincing me that this is a mystery cult that is evil and has run the world.

But, you know,

there's a lot of episodes left.

Sure.

So he has plenty of time.

Yeah.

So the Mystery School,

they have set out some objectives.

Their objectives are chiefly to get rid of ignorance, superstition, and fear.

And that may sound cool, kids, but when you understand what that actually means, it's no good.

Now, these three destructive powers preserved to the modern mystery school, known as Freemasonry, as the murderers of the master builder Hiram Abif, who was really Jakubi Malay, are ignorance, superstition, and fear,

what they call the destroyers of all good things.

When you get even deeper into their teachings, you find out that ignorance, superstition, and fear

stand for the state, the church, and the mob.

What?

And those are the things that they have sworn to destroy.

Wait, what?

Institute themselves as the ruler of the world in a benevolent despotism, a totalitarian socialist state.

Because from the very beginning, these people have been pure true communists socialists so it's communism uh we're getting that uh nailed down pretty strongly yeah it's feeling like that so yeah the three builders that killed hiram a biff and uh are the enemies of the master builder are ignorance superstition and fear which really translate to the state the church and the mob right that makes sense somehow it doesn't really because the state doesn't have to operate from ignorance.

No.

The church can be deeper than superstition.

I guess.

And mobs aren't the only things you associate with fear.

I think Bill associates fear with the state quite a bit.

Yeah.

He associates fear with the church, too.

Yeah.

You're afraid of God.

You have a fear of God.

I don't know.

This doesn't make sense to me.

No, it feels very arbitrary and very extra grindy.

You know, it is very much like, these are the things that I have personally chosen because I don't like them.

Not like these are the Mystery Babylon teachings.

Yeah.

I mean,

like, that just doesn't even make sense.

So, why would you wrap it in the mysticism part?

Right?

Like, why even bother?

If you're against the state, church, and the mob, that's everybody, first off.

That's literally everybody.

That's literally everybody.

Yeah, the mob, taken as like

Bill is kind of understanding it.

it's everybody.

It is everybody as a thing.

Yeah.

Right.

So why not why bother with the like ignorance and fear part?

Just be like, hey, we're going after everybody.

Who's not like us or something, you know?

But I actually think that maybe there's a way to interpret this that looks a little bit better.

Okay.

And that is creating a world where the state doesn't operate from a mode of keeping people ignorant.

Sure.

Like a state that has more transparency and has more accessibility to people.

Sure.

A church that doesn't operate off of superstition and a population that isn't chiefly motivated by fear.

I think that creating a state that's characterized that way is actually fairly positive.

I agree.

And it doesn't involve killing anybody.

No, no, and I think this is another thing that I find fascinating about when somebody else is talking about somebody else's religion with a real, like, fuck these guys kind of tone, is, do you see that right there?

There is a space for interpretation.

If you are saying that the ISF is actually the state, the church, and the mob, then maybe there's another Freemason sect over there that's like, actually, it's blankety blankety blank.

That's just as reasonable as you maligning this group for believing this shit.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, it's just, you're just choosing arbitrary shit that you hate.

It's you, Bill.

Yeah, Bill.

You hate communists and probably Jews.

Let's just get over that.

Yeah.

So the mystery schools were the original college.

And

they taught you about dicks.

Fair enough.

College

run by Nimrod in the city of Babylon.

Rod.

And the college was a college of priests who practiced the religion of the sun.

The college, the adepts, the initiates, the priests were scattered all over the world when Seth, the son of Noah, came with an army and defeated Nimrod.

And this is where the legend really comes from, because Seth chopped Nimrod up into little pieces and scattered him all over the land.

In the legend of the Osirian cycle, Cyrus was chopped into 14 pieces.

Isis came to put him back together again and bring him to life.

She could find all the pieces save one, the phallus, or the generative force.

It is now known as the lost word of Freemasonry.

And the phallus is represented by the obelisk,

the monolith.

It is the penis of Osiris, the generative force.

It represents

the word of Freemasonry.

It represents the Luciferian philosophy.

Yeah.

George Washington also.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Osiris was murdered and chopped up into a bunch of pieces.

Sure.

His dick was eaten by a fish.

That'll happen.

So Isis was unable to find it when she recovered all the parts of his body.

Sure.

This gave the Nile a holy quality because the dick.

The dick is in there.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

And then Osiris made

Osiris a fake dick for mummification, which is permanently erect.

Right.

And that became a piece of tradition.

But

the lost word is Osiris's dick.

Yeah.

And that's the teaching.

You know, sometimes when you go back through a myth,

here's an interesting thing that I

so somebody just put out a new abridgment and like commentary of

Augustine's City of God.

So naturally I'm on it.

But sometimes whenever you're going back through like myths and stuff like that, it stops being so big and starts feeling like a little bit personal, like a little bit like a guy was like, okay, here's why my dick's not working tonight.

You know, like sometimes it gets really specific where you're like, oh, it's always erect.

Is it always erect?

Why does it need to always be erect?

What are you talking about?

Well, because she, in this case, it's because she made a new, like, non-human

phallus.

Right, exactly.

Doesn't have the to satisfy her.

No.

Well, maybe.

See what I'm saying?

Like, when you take away the myth parts of it and remember, there's a guy somewhere in some time period explaining all of this to other people.

Yeah,

the craft of myth writing is the intersection of some really grand thing and a human who is writing it.

It's huge and tiny.

There's something personal in it.

It's a guy.

There's a guy in there.

Sometimes you can see the guy.

And that's kind of even relates to Bill.

Like, he's talking about this really big thing, but there's also him in there.

Yep.

Yep.

Totally.

And his long dark nights where where he felt alone because no one understood.

Yeah, absolutely.

His mystery Babylon.

And that's why he's got a fake phallus to get.

Never mind.

Yeah.

So scrolls are about dicks.

Sure.

Also, the Illuminati is real.

Ooh, I have a question.

Sure.

And maybe this is something that's already been included in the parts that we haven't listened to.

Maybe.

Are we going to get to Merlin?

Not yet, certainly.

Not yet.

But do you think Merlin's in play?

Because I feel like Merlin is very in play in this kind of conversation, right?

King Arthur and all of that.

It should be.

If it's not, it should be.

Yeah, right?

I feel like Merlin should be somewhere in the background.

Like, he's got thoughts at the very least on Mystery Babylon.

And in this world that we're conceiving of, he's totally real.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Merlin's gotta, he's gotta be in here.

I, I, if we get to episode 15 and we don't see Merlin, there's gonna be trouble.

There's gonna be issues.

So the Illuminati is real.

Uh-huh.

And people who don't think it's real are dumb.

That's true.

And we get back to the issue of Atlanta.

Oh.

And those who rose to enlightenment were considered illumined.

Collectively, they are known as the Illuminati.

And all of you who have fallen for the scam that the Illuminati does not exist,

they do.

For the term Illuminati merely refers to the collective body of those who are illumined are enlightened, and they are the Illuminati.

Ambition, however personified by Typhon, knowing that temporal power must die if divine power in the form of truth be reestablished, put forth all its power again to scatter the doctrine, this time so thoroughly that it should never be rediscovered.

If Typhon, as Plutarch has suggested in one of his manifestations, represents the sea, then it appears that this second destruction of Osiris may refer to the Atlantean deluge.

There's Atlanta again.

Atlantis.

Atlanta.

The same.

Are they?

If you go to Atlanta, Georgia, folks, drive around in that city, you will see pyramids everywhere.

You will see 666

everywhere.

You will see the symbols, the all-seeing eye.

Yeah, man, Atlanta.

Devil of the city.

What is everywhere?

What is everywhere enough?

Do you know what I mean?

Like, okay, so there's four or five.

Is that everywhere?

Have you ever been to Atlanta?

I have not been.

I don't think I've been to Atlanta.

Or I've been downtown Atlanta.

Okay, so yeah, you've been downtown.

No, I haven't been downtown.

I've been around Georgia, but not to actual Atlanta proper.

What does that mean?

I mean, the city part of it.

You've been to the suburbs of Atlanta?

I guess I was driving through Georgia.

I don't know why I suddenly said something different.

I have no idea.

This makes me think you committed a crime in Georgia.

I just suddenly was.

Why were you driving around Georgia?

I don't know.

No.

What was I doing there?

I would assume it would be like he had a show.

I think it actually was a college thing.

I was going to visit some college in Georgia, and that's why my brain brought that up, even though it's unnecessary and unrelated to this conversation.

Well, if you'd spent more time in Atlanta, you would know that the building codes there require that everybody live in a pyramid.

Well, there you go.

That does make sense.

No houses, just A-frames everywhere.

Is it a more efficient design?

Nope.

Should we be living pyramid style?

I don't think so.

Okay, fair enough.

Also, Atlanta is not named after Atlantis.

It was founded in 1837 and was originally called Martha'sville, but it was renamed Atlanta after the Atlantic Railroad because it was the end point of that line.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

The Atlantic Railroad was named after the Atlantic Ocean,

which has its name derived from the Latin and Greek words that mean atlas.

Atlanta does sound like Atlantis, though.

It sure does.

So you can see how Bill might jump on this and make a deep connection, but this is just dog shit.

Yeah, this is a decade before the Futurama episode, too.

So there you go.

I mean, obviously, Atlanta will eventually sink and then become Atlantis in the future.

I could see it.

Yeah.

I wouldn't put it past them.

Yeah, it makes sense.

Magic City.

Strip Club in Atlanta.

Frequently referenced by rappers.

Atlantis was a magic city.

There we go.

I think it makes sense.

Yin-yang in this thing.

Where's the sun in that?

Probably up at the One Tweezy,

another strip club.

Fair enough, though.

It was referenced by Jermaine Dupree.

And welcome to Atlanta.

I get it.

I get it.

Yeah, it's where the players play.

Ride on those things like every day.

Big beats, hit streets, see gangsters rolling.

Parties don't stop till 6 in the morning.

This is what we know about Atlantis.

Sometimes you do listen to

those old lyrics and you just go,

yep, that's what they said.

They sure did.

So

Bill,

he pulls like a real Alexi move here in this next clip.

Listen to this carefully, folks.

This is their own words.

In the dark retreats of Islam, the Sufi explored the depths of nature.

Among the Jews, the learned rabbins unraveled the intricate skine of Kabbalism.

Among the Greeks, initiates rose to life through the nocturnal

rituals of Eleusis.

In India, neophytes were brought to the contemplation of the triple-headed Brahma at Elephanta and Ellora.

Through the Middle Ages, the alchemists in their retreats explored the infinite chemistry of existence.

The Illuminati sought the pearl of great price, and Rossicrucian adepts sought to recast the molten molten sea.

So at the beginning of that clip, Bill said, Listen carefully, this is their own words.

Yeah, and then he's just reading a passage from this Manly P.

Hall book.

Right.

It's the same thing that Alex does

when he's like, They tell you in their writings, they reveal it all.

And then he's talking about like none dare call it conspiracy or W.

Cleon Skousen.

He's talking about someone else has written a book about this crazy shit.

Yeah.

And you're pretending that it's like the first-hand document

of this mystery religion.

And it's not.

You're cheating.

Yeah, I mean, well, it's a lot less convincing if you say they say it in the things we write about them.

That sounds very suspicious, in fact.

Yeah, it's not,

it's skipping a step.

I know they say it because we have a long tradition of all the people we trust who also are not allowed to speak to them at all,

of knowing all of these things about them, who, again, we're not allowed to have any contact with.

Yeah, but I think that if you hear that clip and you have listened to a bit of Alex, you see the same kind of handling of information.

Like that tradition is deeply ingrained in this kind of

entertainment content.

Yeah.

And I find that fascinating, like the depths of these connections.

Because

it's almost something that you can't believe that Alex would consciously be

mirroring.

Right.

But he is.

Well, I think there is a, it makes a certain type of sense, okay?

Insofar as the way they treat information that they say comes from them, you can't trust it because they're obviously liars.

So you have to read between the lines there.

Whereas the information you can trust comes from people like Manly P.

Hall, only it's only from him.

You know what I mean?

Like, you can only trust the people who are lying about what they're saying.

Yeah.

Because they're lying whenever they say what they're actually saying.

Yeah, Yeah, maybe, but when you're saying it's in their own words,

you can't then be reading someone else's words.

Right.

Well, we interpreted their words from.

Oh, fuck off.

Yeah.

Yeah.

There's

a misunderstanding or disrespect of what a primary source means.

And I think that that's indicative.

Right, because the underlying truth of it is

I'm telling you that it's in their words, but I'm not going to give you their words because I know you wouldn't understand it.

You wouldn't be able to interpret it the right way.

Yeah.

You would listen to them say stuff like, we want to use the intellect, and you'd believe them, you idiot.

Right.

So I'm going to tell you what they think.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's cheating.

Yeah, it's cheating.

So we have one last clip here, and it has more to do with Osiris's dick.

Okay.

Osiris's dick is apparently very important.

Oh, right.

That makes sense.

Thus, the physical body of man is definitely tied up in symbolism symbolism with the creature which conceived son Horus, a term concealing the collective body of the perfected adepts who were born again out of the womb, swallowed the triple phallus of Osiris, the threefold generative power.

This golden phallus is the three-letter word of Freemasonry concealed under the letters A U

M.

And all of those of you in the in the

New Age movement are all of those of you who fell for all these gurus who came over here and taught you to sit and meditate and while you were meditating idiots

this

AUM

A

UM

You got golden phallus is the three-lettered word of Freemasonry concealed under the letters A U M.

How do you feel, Sheeple?

And why do you do these things?

How do you feel?

Here's the other question I have for you.

If this is something that they presumably believe,

right?

Then at some point, somebody is explaining that this is this to somebody else.

Like, this is what we believe.

I am going to tell you that the golden phallus is A-U-M.

Right.

And then what do they say?

How do you feel now, Sheeple?

Like, what?

Yeah, you meditate on the dick.

Yeah.

Okay.

I mean, I guess that's fine.

I guess.

I mean, like, um,

also is like, you know, from Sanskrit.

You're mixing up traditions entirely here in order to make this

Atlanta, Atlantis connection type of that style of connective tissue is there.

And I will say that, what do you think now, Sheeple?

That's not in the manly people.

No, I imagine imagine that.

That's straight up Bill.

I imagine that.

Yes.

That really feels so much like what this is.

It is an incoherent tying together of disconnected things,

reading long chunks of text from Manly Pee Hall, and then Bill editorializing some condescending and slightly aggressive thing about how smart he is and how he's seen through the riddles.

And

it's kind of funny.

It is.

It is.

It is weird

because it feels like,

how would I put this?

I guess I think my feeling about Bill is the amount of effort that a lot of these people put in versus the amount of reward they get is so low compared to so high.

And I feel like Bill is working too hard for the amount of success he's

Yes.

You know what I mean?

I think that he

definitely never enjoyed the lifestyle that Alex has enjoyed in his life.

Right.

And I think that Bill probably puts in way more effort.

Way more effort.

Now, at the same time, a lot of that effort is not reflected in these episodes because behind what appears to be effort, he's just reading this Manly P.

Hall book and not saying that's what he's doing.

Totally.

So there is an illusion of more work than is actually being done, perhaps.

Yeah.

But yeah, in terms of reward, a lot of these other scammers were able to monetize much more effectively.

Yeah, well, I mean,

it is like he's reading the whole book, though, which isn't what any of these idiots would do.

They would give you the, they would be like, first line of chapter one, all right, I've finished the book.

Now I'm just going to make up a bunch of bullshit and say that that's what was in the book.

But I can't imagine that this entire series is just reading this book.

I hope not.

It can't be because he is also jumping around a bit.

And I've listened deeper into it, I don't remember a whole lot of it,

but I've listened to more of this, and I do think it evolves into other subjects than this Manly P.

Hall book.

But yeah, no, I don't know.

I think I give him a little more credit for work than he deserves.

I think the I think more.

And I think you might be too.

I think it's more just that my bar is so low.

Yes.

You know, like, it is.

We're used to Alex doing nothing.

Absolutely, absolutely nothing and being rewarded beyond your wildest dreams.

You know, like, this feels like he's working too hard.

Make $100,000 in a day because you read a tweet.

Absolutely.

Like, that's Alex's style.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, at least this has some appearance of craft.

Yeah.

I don't think that you could do this

series or this episode without him sitting down to prepare.

Yes.

Yes.

And that at least indicates some level of I have intent.

Yeah.

I have a point I'm driving at.

The point may be stupid and also maybe being conveyed poorly.

But at least there is like, you can imagine him sitting down before the show with some papers

and like being like, all right, here's the plan.

I think that's what it is.

I think it is exactly that.

I don't think there's a cold read here.

And that is what, no matter what any of these, no matter how much effort Alex or any of his ilk put in, sooner or later you hear them do a cold read.

Yeah.

Where it's like, you've clearly never read that before in your life, and now you're going to improvise off of it.

Yeah.

This feels like he has read the book in advance.

He's done his homework.

He's done some homework.

Yeah.

And I think that the way I would boil it down is that, like, intent.

Yeah.

He has an intent

and there is an effort to follow through on that intent.

Whereas Alex, I think, is killing time most of the time.

And even though I think that the point that Bill is making is stupid and he's doing a bad job, I still think that there's

do I say respect for an effort?

Maybe.

I mean, you know, like

the best turd, still the best turd.

You know it's a turd.

Yeah.

But at the end of the day, you're like, well, that one's better than the other ones i guess i don't know what to tell you it's a blue ribbon turd you know what are you gonna say it is relatively speaking i know it's still a shit but relatively speaking that one's impressive yeah yeah anyway um we've learned a lot about

dicks and uh atlanta

um

i don't know i i'm i i enjoy this so we're i'm gonna keep doing it but uh we'll be back to alex uh

next time.

I feel like this entire episode could be summed up with just a guy going, Atlantis, Atlanta, Atlantis, Atlanta,

doing a lot of.

Yeah, exactly.

Yep.

I think that would be the

theme of all of these episodes is ah.

Yeah.

We'll check back in.

I have another episode for you.

But until then, we have a website.

Indeed, we do.

It's allotright.com.

Yep, we'll be back.

But until then, I'm Neo.

I'm Leo.

I'm DZX Clark.

I am the mysterious professor.

Yeah,

woo.

And now here comes the sex robot.

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.

Thanks for holding.

Hello, Alex.

I'm a first-time caller.

I'm a huge fan.

I love your work.

I love you.