#1027: Mystery Babylon #1

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Hey, everybody.

Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.

I'm Dan.

I'm Jordan.

We're a couple dudes.

Like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

Oh, indeed, we are.

Dan.

Jordan.

Dan.

Jordan.

Quick question for you.

What's up?

What's your bright spot today, buddy?

Where do you go first?

My bright spot is a new album by Beirut.

Okay.

I can't remember the name of it right off the top of my head, but yeah, it's great.

It's pretty good.

I am aware of the band Beirut.

Yeah.

But I don't know if I know anything past the name.

It is like,

I mean,

what would I say?

It's like an NPR's wet dream.

Like, it's an indie band inspired by Balkan folk music.

Okay.

So you're like, yeah, of course.

It sounds a little bit like if Les Miserables kept writing songs on its own.

The play itself, the musical

came to life.

It just kept genre-ing itself into other different songs.

And then there you are.

I'm sure it's great, and I'm glad you're enjoying the album, but you've done a bad job of selling it to me.

I don't want to sell it to anyone.

Okay.

That's very NPR indie band of you.

I mean, I don't know if it's, I don't know if there's a way to sell it to you other than like, if you have an inkling of Balkan folk music within your heart, you're going to like it.

Okay.

I guess it's a good test for whether or not you have an inkling of Balkan folk music in your heart.

I think it's a perfect test.

All right.

I'll check it out.

Absolutely.

I will.

It's the PCR of Balkan music.

Absolutely.

Yes, absolutely.

Everybody needs a TV test.

Everybody needs to know if they're related to bulk and folk music in some fashion.

Yeah, yeah.

Great.

What's your bright spot?

So me and my friend Angela Lampsberry went out to the

paper machete over at the Green Mill

the other day.

And I got to experience what it's like to do that with a pinky ring.

And it was fine.

It was fine?

No, it was a lovely time.

It was a great

show.

Very enjoyable.

Yeah, I don't know.

Showed up too early, ran into you on the street.

Yep, that was interesting.

It's always weird to meet anybody that you know in the wild for some reason.

Well, especially because I think you and I both have very limited social circles.

And so I'm hanging out with my friend going to the green mill.

Yep.

And I happen to run into the only other person I know.

Yep.

What the fuck is happening?

Timing is very coincidental.

It was great.

So anyway, it was a good time.

I enjoyed it.

My Pinky Ring was not commented upon by anybody.

So, great.

I'm fitting in.

I imagine if you were still a comic

back in the old days and you were on the show,

it would have constantly been mentioned.

I would have been getting roasted a lot.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Especially if I brought it up as much as I had.

Totally, totally.

Yeah, it would have been a non-stop roasted.

But now that you're just a person,

why would anybody be mean about the affectation that you enjoy?

And also,

WrestleMania is going on.

And Triple H was inducted into the Hall of Fame this year.

And so he came out.

Ha ha ha ha ha?

You bet.

There we go.

So he came out with the Hall of Fame class.

Ha ha ha.

And he had his Hall of Fame ring on his pinky.

Oh, it is pinky.

Exactly.

It's catching fire.

Yep.

Yep.

I'm on the vanguard of trends.

Of the Sopranos trends, I guess.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.

All right.

And

we'll see what happens.

But before we get to anything, let's take a little moment to to say hello to some new wonks.

I think that's a great idea.

So, first, you guys are so kind.

The buttons are so nice.

How could I not become a wonk after that?

Michael P.

Thank you so much.

You're now a policy wonk.

I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Next, Alex's pregnant pauses are too long and should be aborted.

Thank you so much.

You're an out policy wonk.

I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

And Lord Rothschild of the Pez.

Thank you so much.

You're an out policy wonk.

I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much.

My go.

And we got a technocrat of the mix, Jordan.

So thank you so much, too.

Red Beard of House Gershman requests that you tell Liam that he only needs to apply a fake mustache to double his income.

Also, Melanie, you're the best wife ever.

Dan, also use your Dan voice to explain that charcuterie is just launchables for adults to Jordan.

Jordan, stay angry.

Mike up for this.

Thank you so much, you're an Iow Technocrat.

I'm a policy wonk.

Four stars.

Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.

Daddy Sharp.

Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

He's a loser,

little kitty baby.

I don't want to hate black people.

I renounce Jesus Christ.

Thank you so much.

Yes, thank you very much.

If charcuterie is just

lunchables for adults,

does that mean that wine is just Caprice on?

Hmm.

It depends on what exactly crudité is.

Hmm.

He said charcuterie.

Well, right.

Crudité is like vegetables.

Right.

Right?

Charcuterie is like sliced meats and crackers and there we go.

They're similar words.

Right, right, right.

But if charcuterie is lunchables and wine is Capri Sun, what does that make crude

within this?

Uninvolved.

Uninvolved.

Yeah.

I feel like these three are very similar things.

Just because the name, do the words are similar?

No, like at restaurants, you would have a charcuterie board, you could have an appetizer of crude a tae, you could have, you could get a glass of wine.

These are very regular things.

Yeah, but you could also get chicken figures.

You could also get a...

Well, then what are chicken figures?

Get a burger.

I don't know.

Okay.

If it's food, it's food.

Yes.

Great.

The fact that these sound similar, these words sound similar is actually more relevant than you could possibly know about

today's episode.

Yes.

Right.

So I made a joke at the end of our last episode that my birthday is coming up this week.

And as a gift to myself, I don't even want to think about Alex.

I don't want to to talk about him.

Yep.

And

I meant that as a joke, but you responded well to it.

And then when I was hanging out with Angela Lampsbury, she responded well to it too.

Yeah.

I thought it was a good idea.

And so I decided, fuck it.

Yeah.

No more Alex episodes until I'm 41.

Done.

Yep.

I'm all for it.

So that left me in a position where I was like, all right,

let's do some more Tucker.

And I can't do that to me.

No, it's a lot.

Yeah, I can't.

I cannot.

He's just too much.

I enjoy listening to it, and I enjoy how much more there is to think about, and how much more of a passive-aggressive dickhole he is.

But I can't do that to the audience.

So I needed to do something different.

Okay.

And it happens, it just so happens that we're recording on Easter.

True.

This is Easter Sunday that we're recording.

He is risen.

And that is what happens on Easter.

Yes.

People rise from the dead.

People do rise from the dead.

Yes.

Okay.

So I thought, like, let's do a Project Camelot.

Absolutely.

Can't do it.

Shit.

Yeah, it's not fun anymore.

So then I was like, oh, Jim Baker.

Anybody rise from the dead?

Well, no, but that's a thing we don't do anymore.

True.

It's rising from the dead, this bit,

this thing.

Oh, I gotcha.

I was actually thinking that it's possible we could be talking about somebody who has claimed to have risen from the dead today.

No, that's...

If that had been there, yes, I would definitely.

Totally.

No, I'm just saying that we're in the realm where that's a possibility.

Yeah, the Jim Baker episodes

that I stumbled across were

uninspiring.

That sounds true.

But there was one last thing that could be risen from the dead.

Do not.

Do not play it.

Do not play that song.

He lives.

Do not do it.

It's sort of a song.

I'm gonna be honest.

honest.

I was hoping for Lionel.

You're listening to the hour of the time.

I'm your host, William Cooper.

Yeah, Bill Cooper's back.

All right.

All right.

So, Matt.

I'm feeling excited.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Sure.

Yeah.

We got this asshole.

Now, having experience sitting through it here,

I shouldn't have played that whole siren intro.

Not at all.

It's a little too long.

You can edit it out.

No, I'm not going to.

I'm going to let it be.

Okay.

But I just wanted to make that note for myself.

Okay.

Unnecessary

marching sounds and dogs barking.

I think it was meant to be a little bit of a record scratch moment.

A little beat-drop, a little like, now you know what you're in for kind of thing.

But that happens in a moment.

It doesn't last for.

Yeah.

And it sets the mood for him but that's not the mood i necessarily enjoy all that much nope so yeah bill cooper uh the og alex yep um i many many years ago a number of years ago we covered some bill cooper episodes and they were a lot of fun there were his call-ins were ridiculous trying to buy turner or no gannette yeah he wanted to buy his own news server buy the whole thing if everybody gives a dollar we can do it yeah and he he's a bit of an you know more interesting character than Alex in a lot of ways.

For one, he's dead.

He went out like conspiracy theorists

are the narrative is supposed to.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And he's killed by the government.

I mean, they're prone to that.

He, of course, wrote the book Behold a Pale Horse that is full of complete bullshit,

nonsense that lays a lot of the groundwork for a lot of conspiracy belief.

Ruined a lot of people's lives.

It centralizes a lot of really dumb ideas.

So he is a legend in in that world.

And he, on his radio show, did a series called Mystery Babylon.

Okay.

That is like a 30-something part series.

And I joked a long time ago, I'm going to fucking cover Mystery Babylon.

I'm going to fuck around and do it.

And so

I'm covering the first episode.

You're fucking around and doing it.

I don't know if I'll do all of it.

Sure.

But I decided, why not?

You got to resurrect something.

I'm going to resurrect Bill Cooper describing the mystery religion.

I think it's perfect.

And I'll give you two reasons why I think it's perfect.

The first is Alex needs to be on the back burner for a sec.

And the second is, it does feel like every year, the past gets like 10 years further away.

It feels like Bill Cooper is so much further in the past than he was five years ago, you know?

Yeah, but at the same time, I think if you listen to some of this shit, it's like, this is unfortunately relevant.

Right on time.

You know, you're talking about like a world now in 2025 where, you know, Tucker got attacked by a demon.

Right.

And Alex is like this really esoteric religious bullshit underlies his politics.

Yeah.

Like we're looking at the Mystery Babylon that Bill Cooper did.

It's pretty close.

God, I would give anything for him to have just saved Gene Hackman's life once.

Yeah.

Like for him to just tell a story of just like, oh, this guy was broken down and he almost got swiped and I fixed his car and all this stuff and moved on.

And then for later on Gene Hackman to tell us a story where that's about Bill Cooper.

Fucking amazing.

It'd be amazing.

Yeah.

Yep.

If I find that, I will probably end it.

Yeah, I think we should just call it.

We should just call it a day.

We did it.

I have to walk into the woods.

We're putting stones in our pockets.

Walk into Lake Michigan.

Yep.

So Bill starts this series off, and I think he has a lofty premise.

Tonight, ladies and gentlemen, we begin the origin, the history, the dogma, and the identity of the ancient mystery religions which are now known as the mystery schools.

The Order of the Quest, Freemasonry, the Ancient Order of the Rose and Cross, the Knights Templar,

the Sovereign and Military Order of the Knights of Malta, the Order of St.

John of Jerusalem, the Priory de Sion,

the Fool Society, are sometimes known as the Foolish Society,

the Order, the Skull and Bones, the Russell Trust, the Jason Society, the Scroll and T,

the Illuminati, and I could go on and on and on and on.

But the most important thing to realize is that they all have been collectively known throughout the ages as the mystery schools, the Illuminati, which literally means illumined ones.

International socialism, communism, they are all one

and the same, as you will come to know.

So, lofty premise.

Yeah.

International socialism and communism is the same thing as all of these secret societies that go back to the mystery religions and time immemorial.

Yeah.

That's a pretty big claim.

Yeah, and you kind of get the sense of why he needs 30 episodes in order to spell a lot of this out.

Because that's crazy,

that's a crazy amount of stuff to bite off.

Yeah, you're going to have to connect a lot of stuff that is really unconnected, and not least of which, I don't know if anybody has full claim to just the order.

You know what I mean?

Like, he's calling the order a completely separate.

There's probably at least five or six the orders.

Sure.

You know, if you check the fossil record, you're not going to know if that's a Stegosaurus or not.

So you never know.

You know what's my order?

What's that?

Charcuterie?

Croudeté.

Fuck you.

I see.

So

Bill starts off at the beginning, as we all must.

Yeah.

And he establishes that the mystery schools believe in evolution.

Okay.

But we have to begin in the beginning with every story and every history

and we have to begin at the beginning of mankind and the beginning is the beginning according to the mystery religion

and they believe wholeheartedly that man is a product of evolution not of an extraterrestrial race and not of the creation

of some benevolent God.

They believe that the tree-dwelling ancestors of man were among the most intelligent beings of their distant age.

And when these creatures finally abandoned the trees and walked fully upright, freeing their hands to serve as implements of their minds as well as their bodies, there began the most successful evolutionary drive toward higher intelligence ever witnessed in nature.

As ground dwellers, These creatures were easy victims of the great predators who hunted them down by day and surprised them at night as they huddled in clearings or in caves.

They could not compete in strength, ferocity, or speed with their attackers.

Armed with little except their hands and what their complex brains enabled them to do with those hands, they had to think or die.

For untold thousands of years, most of them met early, violent deaths.

Only a few in each generation had the good fortune and the ability to outwit their enemies.

And these favored ones survived long enough to have and rear offspring.

The unwary, maladroit, or stupid

died early.

And folks, I'm afraid that the stupid who live today are going to die early.

Nice!

But back to the beginning.

Yeah, back to the beginning.

Boom.

So, um, yeah, uh, man's ancestors came down from trees, and it's dangerous down there.

And so they had to do stuff.

They had to figure it out.

You know, what's funny about this is I was actually literally reading a book on the extinction of the Neanderthals this morning,

which is really interesting.

But also, what I was thinking about was

this guy in particular doesn't believe that

Homo sapiens and Neanderthals interbred

because we didn't live in the same exact areas during the same time periods because of climate or whatever.

When you say this guy, you mean the person who wrote the book, not Bill.

He's like the Harvard guy.

He's one of those guys who travel the world and is Harvard guy, that kind of thing.

But we shared a common ancestor 135,000 years ago.

So that's why we have similar DNA.

Now,

then I was thinking, if we did interbreed, and that means that we could have interbred to create more people ostensibly with souls.

Does that mean that the Neanderthals had souls when they interbred with us?

Right?

Do you want me to answer as me or as Bill?

As anybody.

You know what I'm saying?

I'm not sure souls exist.

Right.

So, but then that has to go back even further to when we had a common ancestor.

If we didn't interbreed and they do have souls.

Right.

So what common ancestor developed the soul?

It's a good question.

Is this book you're reading arguing about soul possessions?

Absolutely not.

This is completely separate to the

message.

No, it's very, very scientific.

Okay.

It's really good.

It's a really well-written book.

I would be worried if the person who is from Harvard is writing a book about whether or not

common ancestry

where did the soul diverge from it.

But that's what I'm saying.

They don't think about things like this.

They don't think about the implications of the soul on whether or not different species can interbreed.

Because if only Homo sapien has a soul, then we can

lay some sort of claim to this kind of religious thinking.

But if Neanderthals also have souls, what doesn't have a soul, my man?

Well, here's the thing.

Bill doesn't believe in evolution, I don't think.

That, I think, is probably where he and I are going to say that man was created by a benevolent God.

Well, there you go.

He does a couple times throughout this episode have to make the qualifier that, like, don't get mad at me about the things I'm saying.

I'm explaining other people's belief.

Right.

The mystery Babylon religion.

I'm explaining that.

I'm not talking about what I believe.

Right, right, right, right.

And even in that clip, you heard him say, they believe that man wasn't brought by alien or brought by

benevolent God.

This is Alex doing the, ah, this is what they believe.

I'm not saying that there are interdimensional beings who appear inside it.

Actually, there are.

But that's what they believe, and I also believe it.

Yeah, Alex took a little bit of that panache

here.

So I think that Bill is a decent storyteller.

I like it.

Inasmuch as he's going through early history and discussing innovations like the creation of the knife.

Many edible nuts are too hard for even a caveman to crack between his teeth.

Accordingly, they were useless to early man until some genius of his day discovered that any nut could be opened if it were just placed upon one stone and struck hard with another.

Better fed, the family of this innovator proliferated while the others died off.

Perhaps centuries later, while a man sat cracking nuts between two stones, one stone broke and the broken edge cut his hand.

Previously, men in the same situation had thrown the broken stone away and nursed their cuts.

But this man,

this man,

started thinking.

He possessed an original thought.

Since the edge had cut through his skin and drawn blood, it might also cut through the skin of the small animals he caught, making it easier to get at the meat.

The first knife

was invented.

I don't know if this follows the archaeological record or anything, but it's a fine dramatization of this early history.

Perfect.

Absolutely.

I got no qualms with it.

I wouldn't want this as

a classroom setting for like archaeology.

Yeah, yeah.

But for his purposes, I'm fine.

Yeah.

A guy cut his hand when he was trying to open a nut.

Boom, we got a knife.

I'm with you.

I loved the opening of Space Odyssey.

I'm fine with that.

Give me some bones, smash it, monkeys.

I'm good.

We're good.

Move on.

Well, unfortunately, he doesn't.

Oh.

Because there's a bunch.

It goes on quite a while.

Oh, he takes a lot longer.

Yeah, he discusses a lot of things like

the invention of the spear.

A great many centuries later, a young father foraging for his brood may have come upon a long straight stick splintered at one end.

Well, he pulled and chewed at the splinters until only one stout point was left,

or at least that's how we can imagine that it was done.

It seemed to him a very useful stick, where it was sharper

than the digging sticks which the women used.

He may have remembered a night during his boyhood when a great cat had charged his family's campsite and dragged away a younger sister.

Now that he had small children of his own, the memory of that attack was ever present.

Lately, he had seen fresh panther tracks.

Another family not far away had been attacked, and the monkey

had been killed.

His dawning intelligence told him his pointed stick might be a better weapon against big cats than the clubs which he and the other men carried.

So for many days he kept the long stick near him.

Even when he was laughed at for having what was regarded as a woman's tool, not only did he possess

a greater intellect than his fellow men,

but he possessed more courage

to resist their laughter.

Then one night he he heard a faint rustling.

He whispered a quick warning to his family.

Suddenly, a dim shape charged at him in the darkness.

Kneeling, he raised the point of his long stick toward the beast.

It sprang, clawed at him savagely, then fled.

The creature had struck the point so hard that the blunt end of the stick was shoved deep, deep into the ground.

Next morning, following a trail of blood, the man found a panther dead from a punctured chest.

The long, sharp stick had saved his life and the lives of his family members.

In the same situation, less perceptive men armed only with clubs

would have been killed.

From that time, he, his sons, and their sons carried impaling sticks whenever big predators were near.

Smart.

So eventually, this ancestors of the the guy who cut his hand on a rock made a knife, bred with the person whose family made the spear, and then they started throwing sticks and trees.

That's right.

And arrows and stuff.

Yeah, you get the sense.

You get the general sense of what he's.

I like the idea that somewhere in the fossil record is like, oh, and Ugg wasn't allowed to play in the reindeer games, also.

Like, there's people bullying you for having a stick.

Is that what's happening?

That is a woman's tomb.

Right?

What?

What?

Yeah.

What?

Well, that's the thing, though.

It's like, I think it's dumb and whatever, but I get it.

It's dramatizing this thing that Bill is trying to convey.

And I don't begrudge it too much.

I think without it, this becomes a little too dry.

And maybe...

I mean, it's already quite dry.

Yeah.

No, I mean, I both see why it needs 30 parts, and also I think we could probably bang it out in 10.

I would like to say, like, if he wasn't dead, I would like to just be like, cut off the fat.

What's the point?

Boom.

Let's get to it.

Stop it with

woof.

Yeah.

I have places to be, and you're telling me you're going on for eight minutes about a fucking spear.

Yeah, somehow you've invented bullies.

Great.

So throughout all this, man creates sharp things and can fight off panthers

and stuff.

But they come to a realization.

Radios.

No.

Oh.

That's episode.

Way later.

Okay.

Okay.

They come to the realization that man's greatest enemy is the darkness.

Okay.

Even with man's new weapons.

They invented spears before light.

It did not take him very long to decide that in this world the single greatest enemy to be feared was the darkness of night and all the unknown dangers that came with it.

Simply stated,

man's first enemy was darkness.

Understanding this one fact alone, one can readily see why the greatest and most trustworthy friend of the human race could ever have was, by far,

heaven's greatest gift to the world, that glorious rising orb of day,

the Sun.

I was going to go with dogs.

And with this simple truth understood, we can now begin to unravel the most ancient

and still the most successful religion

upon the face of this earth.

Its success lies in its ability to remain hidden

from the rest

of the people.

But first, let me assure you folks that no people of the ancient world believed the sun to be God.

Oh, that's a relief.

Wait, they didn't?

No.

Why not?

Because they didn't.

I kind of think they probably did.

Or at least some of them.

Some might have.

Yeah, I don't know.

Bill's take on it is that it's all a metaphor.

Gotcha.

Son's a metaphor for God.

Right.

We'll get to that.

But the darkness is man's enemy.

I don't think we needed all the spear and knife talk to lead up to that.

I think we could have just started from man is scared of dark.

Yeah.

It was a little bit of a rug pull to have all these other fears that a man solves first.

Yeah, but then to be like, ah, but that one, all of that is meaningless.

So

if something, just my personal opinion on writing is if I, at the end of something, go, all of that was meaningless, that also means I could just get rid of it.

Yeah, but I think on some,

you know, to be an advocate for Bill, I think some of it is setting the stage.

Sure.

It's dramatic buildup

in a little way.

It's like, yeah, we overcame these things, but we can't overcome the dark.

Darkness is, it's just going to keep being there.

And that's where the big cats come from.

Right.

Is the dark.

It's a metaphor.

The sun is God because it's the light.

The darkness is evil because it's the darkness.

The things come out of the darkness, they kill you.

You can see shit coming in the sun.

I get it.

And he kind of expands on that metaphor a bit here about how the sun is a proxy for God.

In point of fact, every ancient culture and nation on earth have all used the sun as the most logically appropriate symbol to represent the glory

of the unseen creator of the heavens.

In the Old Testament, it says, quote, the heavens are declaring the glory of God, unquote.

That's in Psalms 19, verse 1.

In the Old Testament, quote, the Son of righteousness will arise, unquote, Malachi chapter 4, verse 2.

The ancient peoples reasoned that no one on earth could ever lay claim of ownership to the great orb of day.

It must belong to the unseen creator of the universe.

It became, figuratively speaking, not man's, but God's Son.

Truly, God's Son was the light of the world.

Sure.

As I stated before, folks, in the dark cold of night, man realized his utter vulnerability to the elements.

Each night, mankind was forced to wait for the rising of the sun to chase away the physical and mental insecurity brought on by the darkness.

Therefore, the morning sun focused man's attention on heavenly dependence for his frail short existence on earth, and in doing so, it became the appropriate symbol of divine benevolence from heaven.

For without the sun there was no light, there was no warmth, and nothing could grow or live upon the face of this earth.

So, just as a small fire brought limited light into man's own little world of darkness, likewise the great fire of day served the whole earth with its heavenly presence.

For this reason, it was said that the God of the Bible was a consuming fire in heaven.

And so he was.

Makes sense?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Sure.

Yep.

I mean, who believes this now?

The demon schools.

Right.

The mystery schools.

See, this is, I think, where I'm getting confused.

Please.

If you are telling me about somebody else's beliefs that you don't respect,

it feels strange to give it so much narrative heft.

Give it narrative heft and also

being like a plausible kind of explanation for anthropologically

explanations.

like yes okay god's son uh allows life on earth we it makes it makes sense right uh compared to like something divine right so so are you are you fucking with me through this or or

yeah yeah because it seems like he's very invested in telling the story yeah yeah of what's wrong right yeah like what if somebody is telling me about scientology they're not like and let's start on page page one of Dianetics and then we're going to go through bit by bit until we get to the end, you know?

Usually they're like, ah, it's crazy.

But if you're someone like Bill and you believe, for example, that Scientology has run the world secretly since the time of the guy who invented that knife or whatever from

broken stone,

then maybe you would want to dramatize it all like this to give the story of history according to the people that I believe are wrong.

wrong.

Absolutely.

So,

you know, the sun gives life.

Sure.

That's true enough.

Yeah.

I mean, we wouldn't be here without the sun.

I'm on board.

Yep.

You've nailed it.

And so Jesus is the son of God.

Oh, no.

So we're doing the word thing.

You bet we are.

Oh, goddammit.

So Jesus is the son of God.

Yeah.

And this makes total sense if you think about it.

Ancient man,

even with his limited intelligence at that time, had no problem understanding that all life on earth depended directly on life-giving energy from the sun.

Consequently, all life was lost without the sun.

It followed that God's Son was nothing less than man's savior.

Since energy from the sun gave life,

And we sustained our very existence by taking energy in from our food, which came directly from God's Son, the Sun must give up its life, supporting energy, so that we may continue to live.

God's Son must give his life for us to live.

Now, I

know that if you are intelligent out there listening, you are making some connections here.

Yeah, I think even if you're not, you're probably making some connections because they're pretty obvious.

Yeah, are those connections that English didn't exist?

Never mind.

Well, that's an interesting thought that you have.

But just sort of from like a metaphorical construct standpoint, like, yeah, okay, this is one way of explaining the idea of

like the God sacrificing his son in order to give life to humans.

Yeah.

At least

from a metaphor linguistic standpoint,

Bill is not talking shit.

Right.

Like, at least it makes sense from a

like I follow your thoughts.

Right.

If you had a foundation that was anything but the foundation you currently have, you would have something that makes sense.

As it is, you have something that makes sense out of absolutely nonsense.

But it's also like what you have as your real ideology does not really make sense.

Right.

And you're explaining the villains' mythology and their

way of thinking about things, and it unfortunately makes sense.

Yeah, that is a problem for your...

That's tough.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, it's nice to make an enemy that you can't defeat.

That's outside of our normal reality where he's just like, man, these guys are just better than us.

That would be an interesting take on religion.

Well, I don't know if that's the case because we've got to get through 30-something of these episodes before we really get it.

That's a fair point.

But at this point, I think he's starting off on a bad foot.

I think that the mystery schools and stuff kind of make more sense than him.

Yeah, currently.

Currently.

I don't know if that status quo will remain.

So

he's giving us a dramatic reenactment of the evolution of man beyond ape or simple ape

while at the same time saying that act yeah, but that's crazy because actually God created everything about 6,000 years ago.

Sure.

Okay.

And I think that

I think that this is not necessarily

in terms of the evolution of religious thought, I don't believe that this is necessarily even accurate.

No.

I think scholars would probably take some issue with this, but I'm leaving that alone for the sake of like, he's telling a story.

Yeah.

Yeah.

These evil people believe that the story of Jesus is really just this metaphor for the sun giving life to earth.

Right.

Like, all right,

let's see what's your next thought.

Yeah.

Jesus came back, though, right?

There is that.

Well, the sun comes back.

You bet it does.

Oh, boy, here is.

Oh, God.

You see, the mystery schools believe that Christianity is a perversion of the mysteries.

While it was plainly said that our life came from and was sustained each day by our Savior, God's Son, it was and would be true only

as long as the Son would return each morning.

And our hope of salvation would be secure only in a risen Savior.

For if he did not rise from his grave of darkness, all would be lost.

All the world waited for his imminent return each morning.

The Father would never leave us at the mercy of this world of darkness.

The heavenly promise was surely that, quote, he would come again, unquote, to light our path and save those lost in the darkness.

Logically, even if man himself died, as long as the Son comes up each day, life on earth will continue forever.

Therefore, it was said in the ancient texts that everlasting life was the gift the Father gives through his Son.

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that we may have life everlasting on earth.

And the ancient texts did not mean for you personally,

but on earth, everlasting life.

That is the interpretation of the mystery schools.

So yeah, their interpretation is that if the sun rises, life will always exist on earth.

Sure.

And so that's Jesus coming back from the dead.

Sure.

God sacrifices the energy of the sun in order to give life to things on earth.

It rises and falls.

Okay.

Yeah.

Is that all the mystery schools?

Does the order also believe in that?

Or does the order have their own little thing?

I mean, I get that this is

like rejecting of Bill's religious beliefs.

Sure.

And I can understand how he would be upset about that.

It happens.

But so far, I don't really see anything evil.

No, not yet.

If you don't have the religious framework of, you know, like God

and, you know, the Christianity that Bill subscribes to, this is just

understanding

plants.

Yeah.

Is this the, like, is his essential point, like, these people look at Christians who obviously believe the correct stuff.

Yeah.

And they, in their attempts to interpret what it is we believe, don't just agree that what we believe is true.

They find some sort of secret meaning behind what we believe that is involved with like, you know, mysteries.

And they believe that Christianity is a perversion of

the mysteries of the universe that they have solved.

Right.

And so that's, yeah, yeah.

Okay.

Basically.

All right.

I mean,

I guess

I guess when pots call kettles black, I'm fine.

It's a lofty premise, is what I'm telling you.

No, I get you.

I get you.

I get you.

It's, yeah, no, I get it.

So most of this, I think, is reliant on wordplay.

It does seem very heavily reliant on wordplay.

And this next clip, I was like, uh-oh, we've run into a wall.

Oh, no.

That being true, then the great orb of day, God's Son could rightly say of itself that, quote, I am

the light and the truth, unquote.

We should all,

in their words, not mine,

give thanks to the the Father for sending us his son, spelled S-U-N, in case some of you were getting confused.

In the instance where I have mentioned the word sun, it has been in reference to the sun,

S-U-N.

For the peace and tranquility he brings to our life is even called solace.

Solace is from the word solar, which means sun.

Are you beginning?

Oh boy.

To see the light.

Oh, my God.

So solus doesn't come from solar.

It comes from the Latin solassium, which means a soothing or a comfort.

Solar comes from the Latin solaris, which means of the sun.

I know in English it sounds like these words have a common root, but they don't.

That is the problem.

This is a lot of what the games being played rely on.

Like, this word sounds like this word.

Yeah.

uh it is trouble whenever anytime somebody who doesn't introduce themselves as having like a PhD in philology or something and then is going like hey you want to talk about the etymology of this word the answer is no I do not yeah if you're if you're just like throwing together weird superficial connections as opposed to like I understand I have an intimate knowledge of these words

it definitely comes off as like I don't know I'm gonna double check this and you're probably wrong It is so weird how there's a combination of like, it is very, very interesting whenever somebody accurately traces words that you use every day all the way back, you know, however long to their root origin, while at the same time being incredibly boring in 99.9% of all other situations when somebody's like, did you know soul means sun?

Well, but like, but soul can, it's just not in every time soul is the beginning of a word.

Exactly.

I think that you're right.

Like,

I don't know if I'm going 99.9, but it's damn close percent of the time.

It's a card trick.

It's someone is doing something in order to blow your mind in a way that is dishonest.

And I don't trust it without confirmation.

If somebody ends a point with these two words, ah, ah, God gives us solace.

Nobody who actually studies etymology ever ends a point with these two words are similar.

It ends with like, and will never know.

I think that, yeah, if someone, if someone pulls off this little sleight-of-hand trick and then is like, they end it with, you get it?

Yeah.

You see the light?

You see what I'm saying?

That's bad.

Fuck you.

So anyway, he does it again.

Of course.

We now have before us two cosmic brothers, one very good and one very bad.

One brings the truth to light with the light of truth.

The other is the opposite, or in opposition to the light, the opposer,

the prince of the world of darkness.

It is at this point we come to Egypt.

More than 3,000 years before Christianity began, the early morning sun, the Savior, was pictured in Egypt as the newborn babe.

The infant Savior's name was Horus.

The early morning sun, our newborn babe, was pictured in two ways.

The dove, known as the bringer of peace, the hawk, the god of war who punishes the enemies of God.

Today in government, we still use these terms, doves and hawks.

How powerful this religion is, is that we use the terms of this religion even today and know it's not.

At daybreak, this wonderful newborn child is, of course, born again.

Hallelujah.

Horace is risen.

That is what hallelujah means.

Even today,

when the sun comes up, we see it on the Horus risen or horizon.

Boom!

Horus hours, the 12 signs of the zodiac.

Oof.

Oof, oof, oof.

So horizon doesn't come from Horus.

Horus risen?

It's not Horus risen?

Weird.

It comes from the Greek horizion, which means bound or limit.

Also, hours doesn't come from Horus, but this sounds close enough that Bill can just play these games.

Yeah, why not?

It just blows people's minds.

Why not?

Yeah, like, this is great.

It's so fun, but it is not real.

No, not even a little bit.

It's just...

It feels like a classic

one.

I mean, aside from an assumed misogyny that underlies everything I'm sure he believes.

Sure.

Period.

This is classic, just like red string from point to point.

Yes.

These are not actually connected, but this red string really makes you think they are.

So it's, you know, how he said he was getting at this idea that the guy who made the knife ends up marrying the guy who, the ancestor of the spear person.

It's kind of like if the red string, the platonic ideal of the red string,

that the ancestor of that fucked

beanbag, pot-smoking, older brother who's going to blow your mind.

Right, right, right, right.

They came together to create this.

Plus anger.

So,

you know, we've done some word stuff.

Sure.

And I think Bill has shown himself to be

horraising.

Horrific.

Why not jump into numbers?

Oh, God, yes.

Please tell me more numerology.

We got some number stuff.

It is at this point that we should look at the significance of the recurring number 12 in the Bible.

Obviously.

First, 13 is said to be unlucky for humans.

It is a heavenly number.

It represents the Son plus the 12 equals 13.

Our Christ plus the 12 disciples equals 13.

It's unlucky for a different reason, folks.

And I will explain that on another program, but it has to do with the persecution of the mystery school, the mystery religion.

I guess we'll get to that later.

I don't know why 13 is unlucky, because Bill just brought it up and then moved along.

I don't know.

Is the concept of 13 unlucky?

For humans.

Right?

Yeah.

Okay.

All right.

Sure.

Sure.

We've got nothing to go on.

12 plus one?

That's unlucky.

So 12 is an important number.

Yeah.

And part of the justification for it is that 13 is not.

Right.

And we're not going to explain why it's not.

Because it's not.

Until another day, maybe.

It has something to do with the persecution of this.

Well, Jesus plus 12, and then one of them obviously got in trouble.

Well, you're saying Jesus, maybe it was the son.

Oh, that's a good point.

Yeah, hard to tell at this point.

So, anyway, let's get back to 12.

Sure, or maybe seven.

Ah, goddammit.

It would be well to get a Bible concordance and look to see how many times the number 12 is used in the entire Bible.

Would it remember

the

mystery religion is a religion of the heavens.

Also in the Bible, you will find many combinations of the number seven in the mystery religion that represents the seven stars of the Pleiades.

And you can see the emergence of the mystery religion in the UFO movement when the Pleiadians come to talk to Billy Meyer in Switzerland.

Oh my.

How we are deceived by these people.

So now we're on to seven.

Wait.

Yeah.

Hold on.

Yep.

Did the mystery religions come before Christianity or after Christianity?

Because if Christianity is a perversion of the mystery religions, then it suggests that the mystery religions existed prior to the Bible being written.

Otherwise, the numerology within the Bible meaningfully relating to the mystery religions doesn't actually make any sense if they're separate, right?

I think Bill might get to that in a later episode.

I don't fucking know.

Okay.

No, no, no, no.

Listen, I'm I'm not interrogating you regarding what is clearly insanity.

The religion is real

and correct.

Right.

The mystery schools are pre-dating and post-dating, but also wrong and bad and evil.

Right.

Right.

Yes.

No, I mean, one of the things that we're going to have to deal with is that you will get to the end of this

first.

I'm not going to be sad to see you.

Yeah, the mystery of Babylon.

You'll be like, what is your point?

Right, right.

Because there isn't really a point of view.

You wouldn't need 30 if you had already nailed your point right out the gate.

Yeah.

So 12 is an important number in the Bible.

Yeah.

And so is 7.

And then also the Pleiadians

are bringing the mystery religion, the mystery school is being communicated by these fake Pleiadians to inject it into the UFO community.

I assume he's thinking that the UFO folks are commies or something like that.

That must be it.

Because maybe it's more left at the time, more left-leaning, hippie-ish people are into

space and UFOs and stuff.

I guess.

How are they tricking me with this?

I mean, I don't know.

You know what I'm saying?

Like,

they're manipulating and deceiving us.

Yeah.

Right.

How am I being deceived by different combinations of seven?

I think.

Well, I don't know about the seven part of it, but that has something to do with the Pleiades.

Right.

The mystery school

are injecting ideas into the Pleiadians who are fake.

There are not real, these Pleiadians are real.

Right.

But they're injecting their ideas into the mouthpiece of the Pleiadians who are telling it to the UFO community who are being tricked by the fake Pleiadians who are just regurgitating mystery religion ideas.

Gotcha.

I think that's what he's saying.

Okay.

Okay.

I'm seeing the red string on the board.

I'm seeing the pins go in.

I'm seeing the circling as we draw another line.

I get you.

I'm hearing the bubbling of the bong water.

I am absolutely.

I'm enjoying myself, but I am too sober for this.

So there's 12.

Of course, there is.

But not 13.

No, that's unlucky.

There's 12 zodiac signs.

Is there?

Yeah, so let's talk about them.

All right.

And since the zodiac divided the sky into 12 equal portions, each of these houses

are equal.

Comprising 30 degrees or 1/12th of the 360-degree circle.

And the houses, the signs of the zodiac, were as follows: Aries Aries with the ram, or lamb of God.

Taurus, the bull, the golden calf.

Gemini, the twins, which represented Cain and Abel, Jacob and Esau, are Jesus and Satan, for in mystery Babylon, Jesus and Satan are brothers.

And in some sects of the mystery religion, they are the same entity.

Cancer, the crab.

Leo, the lion of the tribe of Judah.

Wait, wait, wait, hold on.

What about that crab?

I was going to say, we need more information on the crab.

You can't just say cancer, the crab, as if that's enough.

All of these other things I've elaborated on.

Absolutely.

Christian connections.

Nah, just the crab.

The crab.

I mean,

I'd take anything but just the crab.

Right.

The crab of the sea.

That would be fine.

I'd be like, oh, the sea crab.

That's different.

That's a unique crab.

The crab that counsels Jonah in the belly of the whale.

Yeah, something.

Something.

Just the crab.

Yeah, it's such a...

I give up.

I don't know.

Yeah, no, we don't need it.

Do you need anything for the crab?

These other ones are pretty simple.

The lion.

There's always fun something.

The ram.

The crab.

The crab.

The delicious crab.

Crab.

Yeah, I thought that was funny.

I love it.

No, I immediately felt it too.

You can't have all of this significance that's ascribed to all of these things and then be like, except that one.

Yeah,

that's the problem.

It's like

the prediction, you know, you can't, it's worse if you're close because the closeness is even more meaningless.

You can only hit it on the head or it sounds stupid.

Yeah,

you can't claim to have deciphered a message if a couple of the things are wrong.

Yeah, you don't need to worry about E's.

Okay.

That's a problem, crap.

You can figure it out where the E's would have been.

It's Jeopardy rules.

It doesn't quite work that way, but I tip my hat.

So anyway, Bill's citing some real good sources here.

Sure.

This is just outrageous.

We belong

to one another.

According to the mystery school, we are part of God's creation.

We are part of a great fraternity of man, according to them.

We are creation's voice to sing praise to God as we gather in the morning.

The morning oaks to pray.

The very time of day recalls our creation and our new creation in Christ.

During the gathering time, reflect on this mystery.

Using the silence, the sounds of morning, the psalms, and other scriptures, be aware that the rising sun is the image of Christ, our Son and source of life, and that is taken right out of a Protestant church's

leaflet

calling for the congregation together for the Easter Sunrise service.

Hey, it's Easter.

Okay.

I don't care about this leaflet.

A random church's leaflet.

I think you're going to need more than just a leaflet for proving the mystery religions have perverted Christianity.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Also, a lot of that stuff that he's saying does not sound like evil mystery religion type of, like, we are a community of people.

That sounds fine.

Of God's creative.

That sounds like pretty in line with my idea of Christianity.

No, that's pretty all right.

Yeah.

Everybody's pretty chill.

Yeah.

You know, the sun, pretty important.

Without it, not least of which, we wouldn't have the magnetic field that protects us from all those kind of

outboard radiations.

We would be left without solace.

And then there is the food thing.

The food thing is pretty big.

The food thing is big.

Pretty big.

Pretty big, yeah.

So I think you have a guy who's operating off words that sound similar and then a pamphlet from a church.

I don't know if we're really doing high-level work here.

I just, I want

to go to the pamphlet, Megan.

I want Gladys from New Life Church of First Day Adventism to suddenly hear this and be like,

I was just doing a little something.

It was copy and paste.

I took it from something else.

I was just doing a little, I was trying to make it a little bit nicer for the day.

You know, it's Easter.

I was trying to put a little ceremony in there.

Do you want to see my last leaflet?

Zero mystery religions in there.

I would imagine this is just a leaflet that one of his listeners sent him.

Yeah.

Right.

From one of their churches.

And it just references the morning.

I guess.

Basically.

Morning.

Morning, M-O-U-R-N-I-N-G.

That's when we mourn the loss of the sun at night.

So the morning is when you wake up, but then the morning is also when you go to sleep.

Mornings are mourning mornings.

We're trapped in an eternal morning.

Ah, that's.

I'm mourning that.

So we should mourn

the age of Pisces.

Yeah, okay.

Because that's going to be ending.

Right.

How's the crab doing?

Crab's good.

Crab's good.

The crab is the key.

So the age of Pisces is the age of fish or something.

Sure, sure.

And it's coming to an end.

The age of Aquarius will be upon us.

Right.

My note here is this is all over the place.

Okay.

The New Testament tells us three different times that God's Son was taught by and learned all things from the Father.

He was the pupil.

Like the eye.

We are told in Matthew 14, verse 17 and 19, that God's Son tends to his people's needs with two fishes, the two fishes being the astrological sign all astrologers know as Pisces.

Thus, we have had for almost 2,000 years God's Son ruling in his kingdom or sign of Pisces, the two fishes.

As stated before, these signs are called houses.

Therefore, Pisces is the Lord's house at this time.

Truly, the greatest fish story ever told.

Now, according to astrology, sometime after the year 2010,

catch that date, folks, the year 2010.

Remember what I told you about 2001.

Arthur C.

Clarke is obviously a member of the mystery schools.

Sure.

And Stanley

Hebrick,

who's responsible for making the movie, is obviously a member also.

According to astrology, sometime after the year 2010, the sun will enter into his new sign or his new kingdom.

As it was called by the ancients, this next coming sign or kingdom soon to be upon us will be, according to the zodiac, the house or sign of Aquarius.

So we're entering the age of Aquarius.

I heard that song.

Yep.

So yeah, the fish,

the age of Pisces, it all checks out.

I'm sensing a clear pattern that he has,

wherein

a very consistent rising and falling action to all of his paragraphs.

But my favorite is how a lot of them seem to end with like

two fish, we all eat.

Hungry now.

And then he just moves on as though there's no...

I don't need to explain anymore about the two fish.

houses it's God house moving on the loaves and fishes right two fish

two fish

were in the house of Pisces for the last two thousand years and that's God's house god's moving to Aquarius sometime around 2010 which is the sequel to 2001

Space Odyssey which includes Arthur C.

Clarke and

Kubrick

they're members of this because you made a movie then see that's that's kind of a nice little bit of connective tissue between him and Alex too like this this idea that these sci-fi people were giving you prophecy and all kinds of hints at what is to come.

That blurring of fiction and reality is

certainly a part of their tradition.

You know what I find fascinating?

What's that?

Right.

Is it suggests that

the mystery religions of people are also still getting like movies around the same time we are.

Right?

You know, like they're like if you're making a movie, but everybody else also has movie technology, it's not like the Mystery Religions got movies first.

You know what I mean?

Maybe they did.

Well, but even if they did, they didn't get them that much furter.

I don't know.

Can you prove that?

I mean, I guess I can't.

You can't prove that people in the 1400s didn't have movies.

I feel like I actually can't prove that.

I'd say you can't.

I feel like if you go back further, I can't.

But I feel like the 1400s, I've got a pretty clear idea on whether or not movies were available.

Well, really, like, someone yelling on the street is the equivalent of a movie, right?

I mean, it's just.

Yelling, yelling, yellow, yelling, and yellow in the street.

Streets are made of yellow submarines.

Don, streets of gold.

The Beatles are in the mystery religions.

Streets of gold, heaven.

Heaven is the sky.

Love it.

What's in the sky?

God,

sun.

Boom.

Nailed it.

Which mystery religion is that?

Are we in the order?

Yep, we're in the order.

This is out of order.

I want to join the Knights of Malta.

Sure, do it.

All right.

So if you're confused about this.

I am.

Yeah, me too.

Bill tells you what to do with that.

Okay, good.

Thank you.

A rule of thumb to remember is that signs measure your inherent qualities.

The planets influence those qualities, and the houses indicate directions for them.

In other words, the houses indicate certain things, and a planet and a house influences or activates

the things indicated.

Now, this is all according to their religion.

If you want more explanation, please ask Nancy Reagan.

I will not.

Got her.

I will not go ask Nancy Reagan.

You can't make me.

I really, really don't want to ask Nancy Reagan anything.

About the planets?

Period.

I mean,

I guess maybe one good question would be: are you sure you want to entrust nuclear weapons to the planets?

It's a choice.

So

I guess most of this comes down to

some kind of belief in astrology.

Right.

I guess.

These people fundamentally think that outside the earth has stuff that makes the earth different.

Right.

Right.

Maybe.

I mean, you know, like, you know, Earth does a thing, and then just the way stars are shaped in our perspective affects the things.

But at no point in time, do they just go, God is completely sovereign over everything?

Because

I think that the

constellations and all that stuff,

pretty arbitrary, what shapes you want to draw around stars.

You can see real strongly about the arbitrariness of those constellations.

A lot of them could be connected.

The stars could be connected in different ways and stuff.

And you could make a different design.

And so all of these houses and the astrological signs,

they were created by the mystery religion in order to create their framework.

It doesn't affect us.

We're affecting it.

And the crab is the key.

The crab has to be the key.

Now, my question to that would be like,

what about all the places that weren't in the same place as the people who clearly invented those

constellations?

Because if you're on different parts of the earth, when you look up at the sky, it is not the same.

So we don't all have the same constellations, but we do all have the same houses of God?

Yeah.

I don't know, man.

All right, I'm just asking.

I can't go ask Nancy Reagan for clarification.

Actually, that I would like her to know.

Yeah.

So we come to the end of Bill's first presentation.

And I don't know if I have a whole lot of clarity.

Okay.

Yet another simple mistranslation to clarify, and there are many in the Bible with the proper understanding of the actual words used, this end of the world is translated differently in various Bibles.

Some say end of time.

Some say end of the days, and still others say conclusion of this system of things.

So what does all this talk of the end time or last days really mean?

Nothing.

Well, here's the simple answer, folks.

According to the mystery schools, when the scriptures speak of, quote, the end of the world, unquote, the actual word used is not, I repeat, not end of the world.

The actual word in Greek is aeon, which when correctly translated means age.

That's spelled, folks, A-G-E.

Any library will have Bible concordances.

Don't do it.

Strong's Bible concordance is a good reference word to use here.

Look up the word age in any secular dictionary or Bible concordance.

There you will find the word for age is from the Greek aeon, or A-E-O-N.

Remembering that in astrology each of the twelve houses or signs of the zodiac corresponds to a 2,000-year period of time called an age, we now know we are 1,992 years into the house or age of Pisces.

Now correctly understood, it can rightly be said that we today, in fact, are living in the last days.

Yes, according to the mystery schools, we are in the last days of the old age of Pisces.

Soon, God's son will come again into his new kingdom or new age, and that's where all this new age movement and new age comes from, new age of Aquarius, man with the water pitcher.

Luke chapter 22, verse 10.

That's right, folks, the new Aeon, or the new age.

This, according to the mystery schools, is the perversion of Christianity.

This is the theme of the Bible, God's Son and His coming kingdom age, the new age of Aquarius.

Now, what you choose to believe is your business.

Remember, don't get mad at me.

I am teaching you the mystery religion of ancient Babylon.

And I am telling you right now, many people practice this mystery religion in secret, and they hate Christians.

They hate Christians because they believe that Christianity is a perversion of their religion and thus is their enemy.

Wait.

When viewing the shimmering rays of sunlight on a body of water at dawn or sunset, according to the mystery schools, one can still see today how God's son walks on water.

Good night, and God bless you all.

What?

God bless you too, Bill.

What?

Yeah, what?

What do you mean?

I guess that's the end.

The light is reflected off water?

Fine, fine.

I think, I don't understand from

this first installment

how the mystery school people hate Christianity.

I don't feel that at all

from what he has presented.

Right.

I think that you have him representing the side of Christianity

and saying that the mystery schools are a perversion of Christianity.

Right.

And then the mystery schools are saying that Christianity is a perversion of their

ideology.

And

I'm being left with either I'm supposed to believe that someone just walked on water or light reflects off water and it's a metaphor.

Sure.

And I think that that's more plausible

of an explanation for someone walking on water.

It would make sense.

So it's just, it's strange to me that he's presenting these two things and one of them makes a whole lot more sense.

Yeah.

Yeah, I'm also confused as to why it is he's interested in what the mystery schools interpret the scripture as.

You know what I mean?

Like, so if the mystery schools are not coming up with this idea, if they are instead taking something you believe and just change and just believing something different about it,

what does that matter?

Unless they existed before you, in which case, well, you're kind of like pissed off.

Not necessarily, because I think that you could say

that the mystery schools, as Bill is presenting it, are an effort to undermine

the reality reality of the Christian Bible.

So, like, you have a miracle that Jesus did, which was walking on water.

Right.

And the mystery schools are like, no, that's just light reflecting on the water.

So, it's an undermining of

this religion.

So, it could exist after.

What time?

Okay, we're talking ancient Babylon.

All right.

Sure.

And we're talking about Horus.

Yeah, right?

So we're going way back.

We're going back.

Ancient Babylon, because I feel like maybe I just don't have my dates right.

Sure.

There's some dates that maybe should be fleshed out.

Yeah, I want to say that if we're talking about, I mean, depending on what time period, but

yeah, we're talking way before Jesus was born and the Bible was compiled.

Sure.

Like way before that.

But I don't think that based on what we're being presented with in this first episode, we know whether or not this is the religion of Babylon Babylon or if it's harkening back to Babylon

and was created after Jesus.

Okay, so

we're leaving open the possibility that when they say ancient Babylon, or when he says ancient Babylonian mystery people,

that is him describing a religion that was created relatively recently

and harkens back to ancient Babylon as a tradition,

as opposed to something that was originated in ancient Babylon that has stayed with us throughout, I guess, the Knights of Malta.

Yes,

I think that's possible.

If we're, you know, we're confining ourselves to the information that's being presented in this lecture.

Of course.

And I think that that's possible.

Right.

I don't know what he's talking about.

I believe it is on the lecturer

for you to then at the end of the lecture know what the lecturer was talking about.

I think the lecture is about feelings of persecution as a Christian.

Sure.

I definitely get that sense.

That's true, but not from the people that he is saying.

Created an eternal persecution that he's describing through riddles and word puzzles.

I don't know.

I have this tension.

Yeah.

And that I'm interested, and I would like to learn more.

Yeah.

But do I actually think that there's much more in the 29

plus episodes?

Absolutely not.

No, but I think we, I feel inclined to explore it more.

I want to, I don't know.

I think it's probably boring.

And I don't know what the point is.

And maybe, maybe this Easter, the thing that rose from the dead, should have stayed dead.

I will say this.

I don't know.

I will say this.

From a pure vocal standpoint,

his

storytelling style is digestible.

It is somewhat hypnotic.

And ultimately,

if you are not thinking, it's kind of enjoyable.

Yeah, and he has

a certain amount of authority that he's able to

if you're just like passively listening and assume he knows what he's talking about,

you could end up internalizing some bad information.

Yeah, he has a very professorial tone to him.

He's got that depth

of age to his voice that gives you, and then he's got the lilt.

Yeah.

The lilt that gives you the like,

you know, it's good.

It sounds more human in its conveying, whereas Alex just sounds like an idiot.

Yeah, he sounds like a lunatic.

And so there is something to that.

Yeah, so I don't know.

I want to know what he's talking about.

And so far, it's nothing.

It is weird to hear somebody deliver utter nonsense in that tone, though.

You know, like just complete batshit lunacy, but with the calm confidence of a true psychopath.

The crab.

Right?

Yeah.

Cancer the crab.

Leo, the lion of Judah.

I think that I'm going to at least do another Mystery Babylon episode.

I'm in.

I think I'm going to.

I don't want to say that we're going to cover it all.

I'm not committing to that kind of thing.

30 might be a lot.

But I think I'm resurrecting this at least for a bit.

We're going to try it for a little bit.

Like somebody of the mystery religions from ancient Babylon.

Are you revealing yourself to be the fulfillment of Bill Cooper's prophecy here?

Is this whole 30-part thing about how Dan Friesen of the Mystery Religions will arise on Easter?

Exactly.

Oh, shit.

I don't want to say that is the case, but I want to leave open the possibility.

I think that's wise.

I think it's wise to leave open that possibility.

So we'll find out if that's the case later on another episode.

But until then, we have a website.

DB Do at SolidFight.com.

Yep, we'll be back.

But until then, I'm Neo.

I'm Leo.

I'm DZX Clark.

I am the

Mysterious Professor.

Woo, yeah,

woo.

And now here comes the sex robots.

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.

Thanks for holding.

Hello, Alex.

I'm a first-time caller.

I'm a huge fan.

I love your work.

I love you.