#1025: Tucker, The Man And His Prophet

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Hey, everybody.

Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.

I'm Dan.

I'm Jordan.

We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

Oh, indeed we are, Dan.

Jordan.

Dan.

Jordan.

Quick question for you.

What's up?

Which bright spot today, buddy?

You go first.

My bright spot is actually a novel that I just read.

It's called The Wedding People by Allison Espach.

Espot.

Okay.

I think.

I like to not know how to pronounce something.

Yeah.

Fantastic.

It's a great book.

Is it about people getting married?

No,

it's a classic,

what would I say?

It's a classic tale of a woman suddenly going like, oh, right, everything everybody's ever told me is wrong.

Whoops.

And it was probably my fault for listening to them the whole time.

And then the story goes from there.

But what's great about it is that unlike...

you know, Thomas Hardy's Return to the Native, there was a whole genre way back in the day where that's what women would do would be like, oh, I'm a person.

But then at the end, you had to kill them because women shouldn't be allowed to do that it's heretical so you have a great story of a woman uh becoming uh herself becoming this amazing creature and offending people but also being exciting and cool and then she's punished for it because that's what you got to do uh uh which was thomas hardy had to change the ending of to return of of return of the native uh to make sure she was punished

so so this is like that but because it's now she doesn't get punished hey how about she gets to have a great time what fun Yeah, and then she just moves on with her life.

It's fantastic.

Spoilers for the wedding people.

I know.

It's great.

Oh, Jordan.

The sales of this book are not going to

recommendation because you spoiled the plot.

In the 1900s, this lady's getting murdered.

I'll just put that out there.

Okay.

Fun.

Sounds good.

Yep.

What's your bright spot?

So

I saw this on YouTube and enjoyed it.

There's a show called Casso.

Have you heard of that?

It's skateboarding.

Okay.

But I think it's made by the same people who made American Ninja Warrior.

Okay.

And so, like, there's a bunch of crazy shit they have to skate.

I'm listening.

They get a bunch of people together.

One of them that I really enjoy is

they're up on this giant platform.

And then there's just a big rail over water.

And it is, I think it's like 35 meters long.

Gosh.

Damn.

So you got to try and grind 35 meters of rail?

And I've seen no one complete that yet, but it's you know, you get ranked by percentages of the length that you've made it.

Sure, sure, sure.

Because I don't know if it's possible to get across that.

So you have to go to grind 35 meters.

Well, get this.

Okay.

It's downward sloped a little bit.

So you get that advantage.

Okay, okay, I gotcha.

But also,

so you start skating onto it, and there's a little seesaw that connects you to the big rail.

Okay.

So you have to deal with a kachunk

before you even get a little bit of a bag.

Before you can even get there.

Oh, that's brutal.

So a lot of people only make it like 10% of the way because that's when the seesaw happens.

Right.

Right.

But man, it's just fun.

Yeah.

I like.

That sounds great.

Yeah.

It makes me really jealous of people who are pretty good at skateboarding.

Yeah.

Because it seems like a lot of fun if someone sets up a giant mousetrap-ass.

Right.

Right.

No, is it is it like

American Ninja Warrior fun or is it like wipeout fun?

You know what I mean?

They don't fall all that.

I mean, they do fall fall because you're not making it all the way across the road.

But it's more a celebration of expertise as opposed to being like, we're going to watch people fall in interesting ways.

We want to see them get through it.

Gotcha.

Gotcha.

There's one that's like a spiral,

like

a plank, I guess.

I don't know.

Just a ground in a spiral that you're trying to go across.

And it gets thinner and thinner as it spins, like as it goes around.

Yeah.

So you have to make it around this curve as the amount of space you have is shrinking.

that's cool and it's like that's fucking fun you want to see you want to see people succeed that is fun yeah but then if you're gonna bail you want to see people bail in a fun way so like if you're on that giant rail maybe you're falling and you want to do a backflip why not why not it's fun it is fun so anyway i've really enjoyed the shit out of that on youtube do you know what do you know what i think i think when we were growing up

Adults had like

Battle of the Network stars where they would watch famous people race each other or some some shit, right?

But then when we were growing up, we had like global guts.

We had the aggro crag.

And so now, now as adults, everything is the aggro crag.

Everything has got to be some sort of like really cool,

like we can spin around this thing, and then you get the aggro crack.

Well, and if you can do that, why not do it?

Right.

You know, like, if you can create the skating aggro crag, everything can be the aggro crag.

Sure.

Believe in yourself.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

It's fun to watch.

Agreed.

So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go go over.

Okay.

It's not as fun to watch.

That sounds true.

So

I saw a little bit of a boop, boop, red alert kind of thing.

Okay.

Alex was on with Tucker.

Great.

So they did another little interview.

Great.

And quite different than the last one.

Oh, yeah.

Because Alex isn't getting drunk and prank calling stelter.

So there's a very different energy betwixt the two.

Sure.

But hey, it happened, so we should talk about it.

Yep.

And we will here in a moment.

But first, let's say hello to some new wonks.

Ooh, that's a great idea.

So first, come do a live show in the state capitol, Springfield.

You can eat a horseshoe.

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Thank you so much.

You are now a policy wonk.

I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much.

No.

Nope.

We're not going to go.

I don't want to go to Springfield, Missouri.

I don't want to go to Springfield, Illinois.

I don't want to go go to Springfield with the Simpsons.

My aunt used to work in Springfield, and then she died.

How do you feel about that?

You can't go back there now.

Nope.

Next, Frackis McMele.

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Thank you.

And Wren's theater degree.

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Thank you very much.

And we get a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.

So thank you so much to Quick Mothra correction.

She has fairies, not children.

And it may sound primitive and unscientific, but through the fairies, we would call to mothra for help thank you so much you are now a technocrat i'm a policy wonk four stars go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant someone someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop daddy shark bomb bomb bomb bump bump jar jar binks has a caribbean black accent he's a loser little little kitty baby i don't want to hate black people I renounce Jesus Christ.

The fairies do look like children, though.

That is true.

Yeah.

That is true.

And if you're a moth, fairies kind of have a very child.

At this point, though, with like with Elon and Trump,

I'm into some Mothra.

I'd be fine with Mothra.

Come on, Mothra.

Yeah, I'd be fine with Mothra.

Get me in touch with those fairies.

I'll see if we can get some help.

I do like a good scientist going, it may sound unscientific,

but the fairies are how we will contact her.

It does sound that way.

It does sound bad.

So we start here.

Alex and Tucker sitting down.

Alex is

newly healthy.

Oh, God.

He is looking.

We're not having this kind of a conversation.

No, no, we're not.

I'm just trying to set the scene.

Okay.

There's at no point

a feeling of danger.

Okay.

You know, when Alex is, he's a chaotic element a lot of the time.

Sure.

And so in the past times that he's talked to Tucker, there's been like kind of an electricity.

And this does not have that.

Oh, no.

Because Alex is sober.

So Tucker starts off here.

Okay, so I want to impose my theory on you, and you tell me what you think.

So for the past 15 years, I've been watching the feds, the FBI, the DOJ, try to destroy you.

And I've watched as no

group of gatekeepers or whistleblower protectors or journalistic

ethics guardians have defended you on First Amendment grounds, which is pretty shocking.

But the question has always been, why are the feds so intent on taking you out?

And here's my theory.

So the summer of 2001, you go on TV, time stamped, and say

someone's going to fly planes to the World Trade Centers.

They're going to blame Osama bin Laden.

Call the Bush White House, warn them.

You basically called 9-11 in detail.

You're the only one who did.

And we can prove that.

It's not a guess.

We have the tape.

I've played the tape.

9-11 happens in September.

There's a 9-11 commission immediately impaneled.

They go and interview a bunch of people in the U.S.

government and outside and ask, like, were there signs that this was happening?

They don't interview you.

You're the one guy who predicted it in public, or the only guy who predicted it in public, and no one calls you to ask, How the hell did you know that?

Which is the obvious question.

Then they set about trying to destroy you.

Rather than like hailing you as a prophet, or at least asking the question, How the hell did Alex Jones know in detail this was coming?

How did you know?

They never even asked you.

And then they

mobilized DOJ and FBI against you.

And I think there's a connection between those two facts.

So, this is painfully embarrassing to hear an adult who pretends to take their work seriously say.

All Tucker is basing this on is edited clips from Alex's show from 2001 that are meant to create the appearance that he predicted 9-11 in detail.

In the clip from July 2001, that seems to have blown Tucker's mind.

Alex references bin Laden and the World Trade Center specifically in reference to the bombing in 1993, which Al-Qaeda took credit for.

He doesn't predict that planes will be flown into the World Trade Center.

He just references the idea that the government could false flag blow up a plane sighting the Baltimore Sun.

This is just him mentioning an article that covered Operation Northwoods.

These are all very normal things for Alex to rant on and use as touch points in any one of his episodes.

The only way this even comes close to appearing like some kind of a prediction is if these pieces are edited together in order to create that image.

There's nothing impressive about Alex's alleged prediction, and it's really wild that Tucker is acting like this long past the point where he needs to.

Yeah.

The election is over.

The damage has been done.

So it just feels like what you're seeing here is an indication that Tucker is sincerely an idiot.

Like, I think that he might just be stupid.

Yeah.

Why not?

I mean, you know, like, there's no reason to believe that he was ever more than this.

Yeah.

Right?

I guess not.

Like, if you stop, I think a lot of us are just, well, you're on TV.

You can't be that stupid.

But, you know, other people give them words to say a lot of the time.

Yeah, no, and I think that Tucker may have a lot of built-up, sort of unexamined credibility from that.

Yeah.

You were on real TV.

You wouldn't be there if you didn't have some baseline competence.

Well, you wore the bow tie, which is embarrassing.

You realize that you shouldn't wear the bow tie, which is an indication of some competence.

Right.

But

if you're on mainstream TV and you're Tucker, all you really have to do is sound like other mainstream TV people, but a little bit more.

You know, so you don't actually have to be smart.

None of those people are smart.

They just sound like each other.

Yeah.

And then they're all there.

So you're like, oh, then they must all be good.

Can you imagine if Anderson fucking Cooper saw that clip of Alex's like edited together prediction and was like, oh my God, maybe, maybe he's maybe he's a prophet.

Yes.

That's what I'm trying to say.

I think they're all exactly that stupid in real life.

I think that there's maybe all of them are stupider than we think, but Tucker might be a special kind of thing.

Okay, okay.

I will go.

Okay.

Let's just call it a curve of like just depress the whole profession down.

Yeah.

He was already on the bottom.

Oh, let me actually see if I can articulate it a little better.

Okay.

Tucker is where desperation meets that kind of

vapidity and stupid.

Yeah.

Because he had no other path to go down than I was attacked by a fucking demon.

Yep.

There you go.

That's where we're at.

This is Barry.

Yes, yes.

So I noticed that it's there's a strange way that this

starts.

That's not really a cold open.

No, that's like a cut-out question.

Yeah, I guess there was a question.

He's asking a question, then there's the theme music, and then it comes back, and Alex starts to answer.

Oh, so it's a little bit jarring and disconnected, but here's Alex's answer.

Well, there certainly is.

I'd already been researching false flag attacks, not just by our government, but other governments throughout history.

the Gulf of Tonkin to get us into Vietnam in 64, that was later declassified to have been staged.

And, of course, the USS Liberty between Israel and the

Lyndon-Baines-Johnson administration wanted to get us into full war with Egypt, but the ship survived, became the most decorated ship in U.S.

history because of the valiance of the crew.

And Operation Ajax, where the CIA and Kermit Roosevelt in 53 overthrew Mohamed Mosedek, who was a reformist and really pro-West, but he wouldn't give them all the oil.

And they used radical Islamists to overthrow him and then put the Shah in and then overthrew the Shah over and over again.

There's just hundreds and hundreds of historical real case examples of that being done by our government and other governments.

And I saw a lot of pre-programming in the news.

Oh, Osama bin Laden's going to get us when he gets us.

We need to give up all of our rights and it'll be a new America and we've got to set up this police state.

So I saw a lot of pre-programming.

But you called the specifics.

You called the specifics of 9-11.

I just can't get past that.

And I've asked you in public and private, how did you do that?

I've never gotten really a straight answer.

I doubt I will now.

Because it's bullshit!

The incontrovertible fact, the provable fact that you called it, and then they began a campaign against you.

And it's not because you're a racist.

You've never been a racist or an anti-Semite or a crazy person, actually.

You've never spewed hate, but you have for, you know, 30 years said the foundations of our system are actually kind of fake and rotten.

And it's, but it was 9-11.

That's when they decided, that's when they really decided this guy has to be stopped and

just basically eliminated the First Amendment to stop you.

Well, just to be clear, it's not that I'm dodging how I knew it.

That was 24 years ago, and I remember what I was covering and what I was doing at the time.

It's funny how Tucker is like imposing his own version of Alex onto him.

He's like, you've never been racist.

You just said that society is rotten.

Dude, like, he's created, he has this cartoon character, and he's like, I'm talking to him.

Yeah.

You are that.

Yeah.

But this whole exchange is silly because we know from listening to Alex's show that the answer to Tucker's question is that God gave Alex prophetic visions that allowed him to see the future, which is where this prediction about 9-11 came from.

He said it explicitly on multiple occasions on the show, and it's the answer that Tucker is fishing for here.

If you have Alex Jones on your show in 2025, you're not looking for a calm, measured conversation about what cues he saw in the media that led him to think 9-11 was going to happen.

You want to advance the social conversation about how you're in the middle of a holy war in the spirit realm and you were attacked by a fucking demon.

Tucker is trying to be as soft as he can about it, but he's just opening this interview telling Alex to get into the crazy shit so he can help normalize it.

And Alex seems to want to be taken seriously instead.

It's a mismatch of energies that you see coming at each other.

He's like, Tell me the fun shit.

And Alex is like, well, you know, Lyndon Baines Johnson.

No.

The fuck off.

You're boring.

It's the problem with prophets.

You want your prophets to be dead.

Because if your prophet's alive, they have to be like,

well, I didn't actually predict it, man.

I'm not actually a prophet.

Do you want me to sit here and tell you I see the future?

Right.

Because then our conversation is going to have to shift a little bit, and I'm probably going to come out looking stupid.

Tell me what you want.

Because what you want is for me to be dead so you can say what I'm supposed to say.

Exactly.

So you can draw the cartoon character and have me.

yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Yeah.

So Alex talks a bit about how he predicted 9-11 more times than just that one clip that Tucker's mind was blown by.

Sure.

And everybody's seen the July 25th where I went into detail, but actually my crew using ChatGPT scanning through all my old shows found shows in April and even before that in March where I get more specific and I said the CIA is going to fly planes into the World Trade Centers and blame it on bin Laden.

So So I just think that's the most amazing fact I've ever heard.

So is it a fact now that the CIA did it?

And again, we can prove it because it's on tape with timestamps.

And everyone's like, oh, yeah, okay, Alex Jones is crazy hater.

Okay, whatever.

I don't think that's true.

But you called 9-11.

And no investigator ever called you to ask you how you called that?

How you knew that?

Not one.

No.

No one from DOJ, Philip Zelikow of the 9-11 Commission, called you.

No.

Why?

Investigators didn't call Alex because these clips are edited after the fact to make it look like he made a specific prediction.

It would have been a waste of important public resources after 9-11 to play profit games with some dipshit from public access TV in Texas.

Alex said that his researchers used AI to go find other predictions.

And here's one that Chase posted that Alex is referring to.

On March 6th, 2001, Alex Jones first predicted the September 11th attack on the World Trade Center.

You've got an element of the FBI and these war game scenarios where they can remote control a 747 and they're going to crash it into the World Trade Center.

While other networks lie to you about what's happening now, InfoWars tells you the truth about what's happening next.

So, this wasn't Alex predicting anything.

It's him describing the plot of the first episode of the X-Files spin-off the lone gunman.

That sounds right.

One of the tip-offs is that this is, you know, you can tell that it's not a very impressive prediction, is how tightly Alex's words are cut in order to take away context of what he might have been discussing.

As you heard that voiceover say, this was from March 6th,

2001.

Yeah.

And the episode of The Lone Gunman that Alex is describing came out on March 4th.

Well, this was not Alex making a prediction.

He had just seen

the episode

that he was describing the plot.

That sounds true.

That sounds true.

But on the other hand, have you considered that now we do, like, are we now taking all of this as fact?

Right?

If you want to believe what Tucker's saying, but I don't even think that Alex has a concrete, like, specific version of 9-11 that he would stand behind under scrutiny.

Right, right, right.

But if you're saying, like, it's amazing that this guy called 9-11,

then if that guy also says that they were, that the FBI was remote-controlling planes, that means you are saying the FBI did remote control planes to cause 9-11.

Right.

Right.

Thus,

we should have to do something about that.

The FBI did 9-11, right?

Like, that's what you're saying.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, and I think that all of the crack investigators that have been going for the last 25 years probably would have been able to demonstrate some kind of a remote control thing.

Anything.

Right.

But

I'm sure it's declassified in the white papers or something.

Fair enough.

Fair enough.

Anyway, Alex is

real boring about how he predicted 9-11.

Tucker is trying to get him to say, God told me.

Yeah.

And other powers exist in the spiritual realm.

For God's sakes, monkey, dance.

Exactly.

Yeah.

So that was well known in the research circles

that

bin Laden was basically a multinational cutout used by Western intelligence agencies to destabilize areas, but also be a boogeyman.

Then you see CNN in a mountain cave magically being able to find him, but the U.S.

can't kill him and nobody else can.

And I knew that CNN is literally the CIA broadcasting system.

For sure.

Total mockingbird, thoroughbred.

And there were hundreds and hundreds of points that went in.

But okay, bin Laden's worked for the CIA,

and you got CNN interviewing him, and they're all scaring us, saying he's about to attack us.

And then I remembered how Ahmad Salam,

who was an Egyptian intelligence agency operative working for the FBI and CIA, was hired to build a bomb in the early 90s to blow up the World Trade Center.

But then, when they said build a real bomb, he started recording them because he started figuring out was a setup.

And then he had that press conference where he played it, and I interviewed him a few times

where the FBI said, no, just go ahead and let it go forward.

And so you start adding all that together.

They'd already tried to hit the World Trade Center before.

The World Trade Center had a lot of issues in it with asbestos and also some of the structural issues.

So they were already wanting to have a plan to get rid of it.

And then you have the CIA and FBI in the Solomon Brothers building, Building 7, 7,

the 47-story skyscraper.

You have that right next door.

So I looked at all of it and I thought, where would the new Pearl Harbor be?

And the year before in the Project for American Century, headed up by Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney, Dick Cheney wrote in there that we need a new Pearl Harbor event to launch the Pox Americana.

But it wasn't an American empire of freedom and liberty and justice like Trump's trying to, you know, launch.

It was a globalist empire of military enforcement and tyranny.

And so there was a lot of other data points.

It's like Alex is going out of his way to beg to be taken seriously in this interview, which is somewhat counter to what Tucker needs him to do.

Alex isn't supposed to be an astute guy who understands how to read media trends.

He's a fucking prophet.

Tucker got attacked by a demon.

Alex sees the future.

We're in magic land, and Alex is supposed to be the guy who's leading that charge and isn't ashamed to be that.

This exchange is super boring because Alex isn't playing ball.

He has no use to anyone as a media analyst or historical critic because if he's put in those boxes, you might start to question how consistent his batting average is.

You might start checking and realize that he's wrong about shit constantly and maybe you shouldn't take him seriously.

Now, as a prophet, he's pretty good.

He has a passionate delivery and he's really good at manipulating people's emotions.

He's an expert at making a million vague predictions that can be presented as one specific prediction later with the help of editors and marks like Tucker.

And prophets benefit from being in a position where they don't really have to be right much.

God gives them visions, but those can be hard to interpret.

And plus, their scary prediction might not come true thanks to them making the prediction.

Their inaccuracy might actually be proof of how effective they are as a prophet.

This is the slot Tucker needs Alex to fit in.

Not some kind of rogue academic.

This is a huge miscalculation on Alex's part in terms of what he's useful for.

Like when he got invited to come to that

thing in Pennsylvania,

the show, he played his role.

Yeah.

He did exactly what he was supposed to do.

Yell the catchphrases,

pump them up, do all that shit.

Yep.

This is not it.

This is not hitting.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It does feel like.

It feels like he is now supposed to transition into the Project Camelot role.

That's his job now.

And

he doesn't want to do it.

He just still does it.

He still wants to view himself as the different thing and he's just that he's got to do it well because I think that the archetype that he's living by should be dead by now yeah the the end of this story doesn't really have a good place for you to exist in because if you're really this dangerous the powers that you're shouldn't have let you to get to this point.

You're now celebrating the powers that be having the ability to murder people exactly like you.

Yeah.

So you should be murdered.

Yeah.

You've lived long enough to become the villain.

Yeah.

And it's boring.

Yeah.

Also, I get just a real strong vibe from that clip of Alex as like someone who cheated on a test.

Sure.

He cheated on the test in as much as he said that he predicted 9-11 exactly

in order to create the image that he's a prophet.

That's cheating.

Right.

And now he's being asked to justify it.

And instead of just playing into the cheating, he's trying to justify how he arrived at his answer

by like faking the work that he did in order to arrive at the

conclusion.

He's making up the book report as he says it.

He's read the cover of The Adventures of Tom Sawyer.

And he's like, man,

Tom is out here riding motorcycles.

Tom is adventuring.

And then that's how I knew that Tom was going to paint that fence, man.

He doesn't want to be seen as somebody who just like,

I have magic.

And so he's like, ah, yeah, Ahmad Salaam, the 1993 bombing.

CNN was able to interview him.

Oh, I put all these data points to get fuck off.

Yeah, it's what happens when you go from wanting adoration to wanting respect.

And you should not want respect if you're Alex.

No.

No.

Just play into it.

Yep.

People will love you.

So Tucker is trying to beat this drum of, like, hey, you were the only one who predicted this.

You're a psychic.

Say you're a psychic.

He's not the only one.

Say it.

Which indicates that he doesn't even take any of this shit seriously because he would have seen that Bill Cooper was also predicting this, but whatever.

Whatever.

But I, okay, so these are not minor issues.

These are like the biggest things happening in the world.

The most important things happening in the world.

And the end of one system, ushering in of a new system, millions in the end died because of all of this, millions.

And you're on like cable access in Texas, figuring this out.

Like, where is everybody else?

I don't understand.

Like, I don't, where I worked at CNN at the time.

I don't, and we had a, as you said, Peter Bergen went and interviewed Bin Land.

I'm not attacking Peter Bergen, but like,

how come you were the only one who figured this out?

Yeah, by that time, I started out in 94 as a guest on Access TV and then my own show by 95, but I was on local talk radio.

I just started getting, you know, I've been syndicated a few years then, but I was.

Okay, but I mean, but you're right.

I was on Access TV as well.

And that's where the

way out on

the fringe.

And all the people at the very center of our business, journalism, like they didn't see or didn't talk publicly about any of this, none of this.

Well, I saw Gary Hart

on with another guest.

Gary Hart, the former presidential candidate, Senator from Colorado?

I think it was the Hart-Rudman Commission.

Yeah.

I saw him in Congress

with testimony earlier that year, and I also saw him on, I believe it was CNN, or maybe it was Chris Matthews, MSNBCI, but the clip's famous.

And they say the world's about to change.

There's about to be big things happening, big, big attacks.

When was this?

It was in early July.

It was before 9-11.

Yes.

And they were very specific.

Somebody should find that clip, can crowdsource that.

And that was the final catalyst because they were basically telling the establishment, very thinly veiled, what was about to go on.

So I sat back, I looked at it, and I thought years later, how did I come up with that?

Because I don't just say a bunch of stuff, then most of it doesn't come true when I'm very specific on predictions.

You're saying that now.

Yeah, a little defensive.

This isn't why Alex is here.

He's here to talk about psychic visions.

Plus, he's not answering any of these questions honestly.

Tons of people in the conspiracy and right-wing world were talking about false flags coming because the experience of Oklahoma City and Waco were fresh in their minds.

And Bill Cooper had made the exact predictions that Alex did previous to him.

This is all just

real

sad, false

image building here.

I think going back, part of the reason that we like...

I've read a few books recently that were written in between the time period of 93 and 01, and they referenced the World Trade Center bombing.

And there's so much of that that's like,

I remember now that was not spoken of like in my experience after 9-11 was it took me years for people to finally be like oh yeah but didn't you know that Osama did it in 9-11 because it was so much bigger what happened in 9-11 no no no but the point being is that it was it was like used to then push us towards Iraq to push us towards doing all that stuff as opposed to being like no this guy is this is number two man yeah we know what's going on with this guy because he's already said what's going on yeah it muddied muddied the details a little bit.

And there's a criticism to be made on that front for sure.

Yeah.

But yeah, it's it that when you have that clip of Alex from the summer of 2001 and he says the World Trade Center, you think of 9-11.

Right.

But he was thinking of 93.

Right.

And that's.

Because 93 happened.

Right.

And that's something that's really difficult to, after 9-11, keep track of.

Right.

Because of the cultural memory and the precedence

that 9-11 took, quite frankly.

It was the World Trade Center.

Those eight years.

Those eight years were filled with a lot of people.

A lot of people being like, we didn't do anything about this Osama character.

Yeah.

Are we going to do anything about this Osama character?

Because he said he was going to do this again.

Yeah, because he said it.

Because people weren't needing to predict it, because he said it.

Yeah,

it's not as

magical as Tucker wants to present this.

And that's fine, I guess.

I mean,

just comes off a little desperate.

To a certain extent,

believe women, of course, but also believe terrorists if they announce they're going to terrorize you.

Sure.

So I mentioned earlier that Alex may have been reciting the plot of Alone Gunman episode.

Yes.

When he made one of his 9-11 predictions.

Sure.

He,

I think, realizes that that might be a criticism that is going to come his way.

Oh, yeah.

And so he gets defensive about that in advance.

Sounds right.

I don't just say a bunch of stuff, then most of it doesn't come true.

I'm very specific on predictions, and almost all of them have come true.

I thought that it was the spin-off of the X-Files, and I wasn't even an X-Files fans, rarely watched it.

Hulbalone Gunman, that it turns out had come out in the spring of

2001 that I didn't even learn about because there wasn't Facebook and Twitter and X back then.

So if you didn't watch those entertainment shows, you didn't know about it.

And then

six months or so after 9-11, listeners start saying, have you seen this?

And I had listeners send me VHS recordings off Fox TV of this episode where a criminal group in the U.S.

government hijacks a Jumbo jet in New York to fly it in the World Trade Center to blame it on a Central Asian terrorist.

so that they have a pretext to take over domestically with a police state and launch wars in the Middle East.

Wait, this was on the X-Files?

Yes, this was on the X-Files.

And so later I thought maybe I got it from that.

But then we found tapes even earlier, a month before that came out, where I was already had put it together on the radio.

But here's what's crazy.

Then I got reached out by some of the hosts of the X-Files saying, hey,

Chris Carter told us that the CIA came to him with the plot of this and asked him.

Where do you think the X-Files is?

David DuCovny called you?

Is he the host of the X-Files?

He has a TV program.

And then later I corresponded some with Chris Carter via email.

He talked about this in the news, like in entertainment publications, about, oh, Alex Jones is a really good guy.

And when they rebooted in 2016 again, he talked about the talk show host characters based on me.

So I've talked to him, some of his crew, but he said, no, I don't know why the CIA, you used to interview him, came to me and said, here's the script for this show.

So it wasn't just Alex Jones saying that a government agency was going to hijack a jet and fly the World Trade Center.

The X-Files spin-off, The Lone Gunman, one of its main episodes, was about that specific story.

This is just crazy.

So I

can get people I know.

Oh, and they remote control and hijack the jet, the good guys, and keep him from crashing in the World Trade Center.

Great job.

So why would the CIA come to Chris Carter and say, we want you to write this?

And then it's released months and months before 9-11.

So I'm not the only one.

It was in the collective unconsciousness.

I mean, I don't know.

Yeah, you don't know.

So when he says the hosts of the X-Files, what he means, he just doesn't want to say Dean Haglund, one of the lone gunmen, one of the actors who was on the show.

Okay.

Alex interviewed him way back.

Right.

He's had him on the show.

Right.

And so this is what he's referencing.

And actually, if you go and find the Dean Haglund interview that Alex did,

Alex is trying to say, like, Chris Carter got a visit from the CIA, and they told him to put this in.

Dean Haglund specifically says, like, Chris Carter was busy trying to do the X-Files.

Right.

At the same time, we were doing this spin-off.

It was really mostly Vince Gilligan who was doing this show.

Right, right, right.

And so, like, it doesn't even make sense based on the interview that Alex did himself.

But whatever.

Yeah.

I mean, that's the thing.

You're already Project Camelot.

This is bullshit.

Right?

Zhuzhit up.

Yeah.

If you've already crossed the line from anything resembling reality and you've gone full into fictional reality, then fucking have great times with it.

But I think that Alex realizes that you risk shaking loose whatever amount of your audience is still connected to reality if you go too far.

And I think that

he wants to play both sides.

And that's why this has this dissonance to it.

Yeah, it's a little bit like, who's given him advice these days?

Or is he just...

No one.

Right?

Like, is somebody saying, hey, don't go too far?

Because

nobody could possibly be saying that.

I'm sure his dad could bully him, but I don't know if anybody.

I'm sure.

emailed to his dad.

Hey, bully him into being fun, you asshole.

Yeah, tell him to lean in.

Yeah.

Also, I like this, the main episode, one of their main episodes.

Main episodes.

It was the pilot.

As opposed to some of their other non-main episodes.

It was their pilot, and it's because the play on words of the title pilot.

Right.

Yeah.

Yep.

Gotcha.

Yeah.

But also, like,

he's trying to pretend, like, I didn't see it till six months later.

He was explaining the plot two days after the show aired.

Yeah.

You watched that shit, man.

Yeah, there was the time, there was a time when you really didn't need Facebook or any of those social media sites because there were only so many shows.

So you could conceivably just know all of them.

Like walking through the day, you'd be like, I know all of the TV that's on right now.

And I just don't, I don't believe that someone like Alex in 2000, 2001 wouldn't watch the X-Files

and be thrilled about the Lone Gunman.

That's his favorite show.

Yes.

100%.

Yeah.

He would probably be like, I want to grow up to be this someday.

Like, that's what he did.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Dean Haglund also said specifically that this episode was written a year prior to when it came out.

So Vince Gilligan predicted 9-11.

He must have.

Okay.

Yeah.

He was the one who wrote the episode.

He definitely was like one of the producers, one of the main creative forces of the show.

He did that and then he predicted Crystal Meth, I guess.

Yep.

Yep.

Well, there we go.

So look, when you're a prophet, it's hard.

Well, it weighs on you.

Sure.

And so Tucker wants to know about like,

what's it like?

Don't make me lie to your face.

Being tortured by all this information that you have.

How hard is it?

Before I ask you

what you think the signs are pointing to now, like what are your predictions for the next five years?

And then I ask you how how your battles with the U.S.

government are going in its attempts to silence you.

How do you, like, if you have this ability to do, I'm not sucking up, it's just, again, it's provable to put together a picture, an extraordinarily accurate picture of what the future holds.

Like, what does that do to you?

How do you sleep?

And how do you live?

And, like, why haven't you totally destroyed yourself?

Like, that's not, those are kind of not thoughts that most people, including me, are burdened with and don't really want to be burdened with.

But, like, like how do you turn off the visions of the future in your head well i i mean i appreciate you saying nice things about me and obviously god gives us all different gifts and i do have some gifts but i think a lot more people have these gifts than than than really realize it but you can prove it that's why i've obviously we're friends and i i like you as a as a man but you can prove it in a way that others can't because it's on tape so it's not really debate has alex jones had you know more accurate predictions of the future than any living person in the world that I know of.

We can prove that.

We don't have to argue about it.

I've got the freaking tape.

So, again, it's not even a compliment.

It's just an observation.

And I don't know why I seem to be the only person who's obsessed with this.

Like, how did this guy predict this?

No, everyone's like, oh, he's crazy.

Okay.

Maybe he's crazy, but he predicted this.

So, my question is, like, what does that do to you?

I mean, it is stressful, the responsibility of

researching and looking at all culture.

I killed Gene Hackman.

That is so weak.

That is crazy.

Yes.

That is crazy.

I don't want to be asked a question like that because that makes me feel like you're fucking with me.

Yeah.

Right.

Because if you're not fucking with me, then it makes me want to ask you a question like, how the fuck do you get through the day?

What are you doing if you're asking me this in honesty, right?

Well,

I think that the reason that the question is framed as such is because Alex isn't playing ball.

Tucker wants to interview him, but he's a fucking psychic and a prophet.

Right, right.

He's trying to push him into a yeah, and Alex is

sort of doing these little hand-asides about, like, you know, God gave me a gift, but he gives everyone gifts.

I saw these data points, and

he's trying to do that, whereas Tucker needs him to be like,

dude, you have the main line to God.

I genuinely,

genuinely, if he just had the slightest bit of yes and, he might be off to a better start.

Maybe.

You know?

Or, you know, replace that yes and with

whiskey.

Yeah, whiskey works.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But this question, this line of questioning is weak.

Yeah.

Complaining about how difficult it is to be a psychic is, I don't think that's going to resonate with the alpha audience that Tucker likes to pretend he has.

It's beta to be stressed and feel responsibility about stuff.

Also, the reason that other people maybe aren't as convinced by the supposed evidence as Tucker is, because they've looked at more evidence than just that edited clip that Alex put out to market himself as a prophet.

Sure.

Possibly, some people have looked at the larger picture of Alex's career and assessed more than just memes.

That isn't profitable for Tucker, so he's going to stick to this game, but man, he seems like an idiot.

He just looks so dumb.

It is, it really is just so mean.

It's so mean for him to either be that good at fucking with Alex to his face or to be that dumb.

I have the opposite take yeah I think Alex is the one who's fucking with him really because Alex screams about how he has prophetic visions on his own fucking show sure Tucker you have every reason to think I'm throwing a softball up Alex is gonna hit it by talking about how much God has told him okay you have every reason to think like this is the person that he presents himself to be right this is the kind of conversation that he's going to be willing to have okay so you're saying that on a fundamental level the motivations that we're getting, this is the dynamic.

Alex is coming in thinking, oh, I'm glad to take my show off so I can be Tucker's show.

I can try and present myself to maybe some of the more rational older people who watch Tucker.

Right.

I can market myself to this audience in a way that isn't buffoonish.

Right.

And he assumes because Tucker invited him onto his show, Tucker also wants this.

Yeah.

Tucker assumes that Alex is going to come in psychic, and he assumes that because he invited Alex onto his show.

Yeah.

So both of them fundamentally, through the same actions, have completely different perceptions on how this is supposed to go.

Yeah, except for the place where the Venn diagram overlaps, which I think is that they both want to sanitize and sell Alex as being something that he's not, which is profit and not racist.

Right.

But like, this is, again, this is...

This is just pre-show conversation.

It could have helped.

Right?

Yep.

Just do a little bit of preparation.

Put a clown nose on Alex.

I think ultimately so much of this shit is just laziness.

Yeah.

But they eventually get around to it.

Alex does get in the mood a little bit.

Okay, good.

And so demons, you know.

They'll pop up.

Yeah, they come up.

All right.

I'm talking to so many people that weren't even Christian or weren't even religious or weren't even spiritual who are saying, it's good versus evil.

And I talked to so many people I know that are professionals and they, you know, Austin's full of a lot of, you know, particularly rich people and women, you know, just becoming demon-possessed.

I mean, mean, literally the same-possession city.

And I'm hearing about it all over the country, all over the world.

What is that?

Shut up.

It's so noticeable.

And I'm so blessed to be surrounded by

it.

Mostly by women, just the opposite of the wonderful,

who are the rock.

I mean, they're just the best.

However,

what you just described is just on display everywhere.

And it's men, too.

You're about the soccer coach that just kidnapped the little kid and took him and killed him and threw him in the woods, reportedly, allegedly.

I mean, it's just, I mean, it's men too, but normally in history, it's men that do the really openly satanic stuff.

Exactly.

And women, you know, 2% of violent crime.

Now it's, you know, they're, it's, because it's a crisis.

And women particularly, but men as well, buy into whatever they see as the power structure.

That's a survival mechanism generally.

It's exactly right.

But when the power structure is a death cult, by increment, they get deeper and deeper.

I mean, you look at these leftists.

And, you know, them in the hundreds of photos, they took their shot

or they had their abortion or, you know, they want to kill Trump.

And you look at them.

Or they're worshiping death in some way

absolutely and you can see it they all look super unhealthy they look totally insane in the eyes they all look like charlie man

and so so it's it's i'm seeing more and more love in people's eyes yeah more spiritual connection to god uh more and more that quiet place of just serenity in people and then i'm seeing more and more of the satanic energy so it's it's really a parting of the sea yes yes

so you're saying that things are getting polarized

novel novel observation that Alex is making.

It seems like the people I like are more likable.

Yeah.

And it seems like the people that I don't like are more unlikable.

To the point where one side is angels and the other side is demons.

Seems like maybe things have gotten out of hand.

Yeah.

Maybe things have gotten out of hand.

Maybe you're a fucking child.

I think that is.

Yeah.

That, like, honestly, that response of shut up is just like...

That's exactly what Tucker deserves.

Fuck you.

Fuck you.

Fuck you.

Fuck you.

How dare you make those noises?

Yeah.

Unbelievable.

So Alex expounds on this a little bit further about how his enemies are demon-possessed.

Sure.

That'll happen.

And then Tucker tells a second-hand story that I don't think is necessary.

And these people that are influenced by satanic energy, by literal spiritual forces, demons, they are the slaves.

And when they're not outdoing evil and persecuting people, they don't even feel like they're alive.

And they're desperate and they're scared

and they're lost.

And then they get driven forward

by this dark force to like, it'll be all right once you just go out and once you take these people out.

It's the good people that are making you feel bad.

It's them.

Destroy them.

Then you'll have peace.

And that's the deeper understanding I've had of how this satanic system works.

That's so clearly true.

And if you ask if there's anyone that you've really like focused on,

I don't know, George Soros or Larry Fink.

I mean, just the other day, I was talking to somebody who knows Larry Fink really well.

And I was saying, I think Larry Fink is like, I don't know, I've never met Larry Fink, but boy, he's responsible for a lot of suffering from my perspective.

And, you know, this person said there's no one more unhappy than Larry Fink, like nobody.

And I was just with him in a car.

He was like screaming at someone on the phone.

This guy's made billions of dollars and personally tormented.

And I know a bunch of people because I know a lot of the

people involved in things that I think are really evil.

And there's not a happy one among them.

Not one.

Larry Fink's so unhappy, according to some guy I talked to.

Tragic.

Never met this person, but I'm going to characterize him as miserable.

You know, it's crazy.

It's wild.

All those people with all the money, their lives are terrible.

You wouldn't want it.

You would not, don't ever want that kind of thing.

You also did see Tucker slipping up a little bit towards the end there where he's talking about how I'm friends with all the people who are

all those people.

We all suffer in the Hamptons.

We're all together pretty much all the time.

Yeah, it's so miserable.

We play tennis together.

We have a standing appointment.

We have the devil.

We have the most miserable vacation.

One time we went to Sicily.

It was fucking awful.

Everything was said.

Terrible.

We walked through the

stress

sitting on the beach looking out at the vastness of the ocean, wondering about God's creation and whether or not we were meant to enjoy it.

I hated this one time we went to Dubai and we went to the tallest building in the world and went to, we were just like hanging out in Infinity Pool on the top of the biggest building in the world.

It sucked.

Everyone was so sad.

Yeah.

Miserable.

This is awful.

Yeah.

Cool, man.

Yeah, great.

Great work.

So I think that there is an internal tension here that

they are kissing the ass of really rich people

while having like pretended to create this populist image of themselves and Trump and this.

And I feel like this next clip really sums up Alex's attempt

at squaring the circle, and I just don't think it works.

You know, we're always hearing Elon Musk, the richest guy in the world.

Well, he's a guy that has been good at keeping the companies under his control.

So he independently is the most powerful person,

corporate science, communications, titan.

But then they spit him like, oh, he's the establishment.

No, Trump, as you know, has a very small orbit of independent billionaires that are defending him because they want to stabilize civilization

for everybody's good.

But when you look at the international power and the large S, it's been against Trump.

More and more they realize they're losing because the people are with Trump.

Yeah, so Trump has an inner clique of benevolent oligarchs.

So a small group.

Let's say between,

I don't know,

eight and 14,

a small group of extremely wealthy individuals together who possibly have financial interests that run counter to those of the rest of the international community.

Right.

Are together making decisions.

Now, perhaps I would suggest maybe we would find all of those names on Epstein's flight logs.

So you're saying

that there is a small billionaire cabal of pedophiles who are running the world right now, Alex.

Am I correct in you saying that?

Not exactly.

They're benevolent oligarchs.

Okay, so a small group of benevolent pedophile billionaires is running the world.

Is that what you're trying to tell me?

I mean, I just think that there's nothing more comical than Alex saying something like this.

I just think, yeah, Trump has a small group that he keeps close of good billionaires.

There's just no other way to describe it than Alex is saying that it's okay for there to be a small billionaire pedophile cabal.

If they are into Trump,

that's what he's into.

I don't think that it would be a deal-breaker.

I mean, obviously not.

I mean, yeah, it's what's happening.

yeah

so tucker uh and alex had a conversation prior to their recording yeah and alex brings this up uh and i i i think that alex thinks that he has said he's talked out of school yes but i don't think he has i think he's fine but he gets a little self-conscious and we were just talking last night i hope you would repeat that

because you were asking me with some folks we were talking to about what my view is basically on the geopolitical new landscape and i laid my my view and you said no i think that's dead dead on.

And then you said, basically,

if you feel like repeating it, that

we need to sell it very clearly.

You're on this team or you're on that team, because it really is Team ChiCom, EU, globalist, New World Order.

That's what's left.

You know, the U.K.

don't trust them who runs it, but they're trying to come in under a U.S.

alliance.

And America and the world needs to understand there's a new international system forming.

The old one fell.

And we better decide what this new system is going to look like and who's going to be in charge of it because that's the way it is.

So think about how you'll feel when you achieve your biggest goals of all, whether it's starting a business, paying off your mortgage, sending your kids to college, and having the money to pay for it.

You'll be pretty proud when you've met these essential life goals, and you should be proud.

All of us are when we do that.

But what do you do next?

So, getting to the goals is one thing, but protecting them is an entirely different thing and maybe a bigger thing.

And this is where life insurance from Policy Genius comes in.

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Cool.

So I kept that as that because his commercial breaks are very jarring.

Yeah.

You know, they kind of come out of nowhere.

Alex was in the middle of a thought and now we're talking about life insurance.

Yep, yep, yep, yep.

It's clunky and unprofessional, I would say, as somebody who's recording a podcast out of his apartment.

I mean, it's it,

you know, like sometimes if you're listening to a true crime podcast and they're talking about the tragic and horrific murder of somebody, and then they're like, and now hello, Apron Fresh is here to, you know, you're like, oh, what you're revealing is the valuelessness that you treat life with.

Sure.

You know, that kind of thing.

If you're talking about like the importance of the world

and how everything is black and white and you're on our team or you're against us.

It's good versus evil.

The Bible cannot have

inserts for like coupons.

No,

it's poor form.

It just can't.

It can't.

It can't.

And it does.

That's how weird it is.

Yeah, I would have chosen better edit points if I were Tucker or whoever's producing the show.

But hey, petty criticism on my part.

I guess.

I think that this black and white thinking is pretty stupid.

Probably.

But I don't think that Tucker has any problem with what Alex is saying.

Sure.

He's not telling some conversation they had on air that would get him in trouble or anything.

So they come back from the commercial,

and

thus begins

the talk of how how great Russia is.

Great.

And how we need to side with them or else

to now project that around the world.

And so the globalists are being destroyed by their own Frankenstein monster.

And then the EU has decided to ally with China.

And again, the U.K.

is at least on the service action, like, no, they want to be in a new Anglophile alliance with the, quote, you know, U.S.

Empire.

And again, the U.S.

has a limited window to get everybody on board with us, and then our alliance easily with the key countries in the Middle East, Saudi Arabia, Central among it,

and some other alliances,

and then obviously an open economic alliance with Russia, who wants an economic alliance and has more resources than any country in the world.

I mean, that is the real chessboard, and that's why the left and the globalists want to drive America and Russia apart because geographically

and also militarily, and then also scientifically, and then just raw material.

Of course, that is the obvious if you're if you're If you believe Russia is our greatest enemy, if you are working full-time to divide the United States from Russia, you are acting against the interests of the United States.

You hate the United States.

You hate the West.

You want to see it fall.

They hate Russia because it's a white Christian country.

That's a fact.

Why Russia?

And all of this, once you take three steps back, makes perfect sense.

Like, we have a lot of people in our country working actively for the destruction of the West, of Christian civilization.

So that's just a fact.

This stands in the way.

Sorry, they don't, you know, people don't like it when you say that, but they don't like it when you say it because it's absolutely true.

And the farther you get from the United States, that's one of the great benefits of travel, the more obvious it is.

Like, you can't, you don't know you're married to an alcoholic until you go on vacation without that person.

You're like, oh shit, I'm married to an alcoholic.

Like, you can't see any of this when you're in the middle of it, but when you leave, it's like, oh, my gosh.

So, yeah, they hate Russia because it's a white Christian country.

It's always amazing.

They always manage to do it.

And that's the thing that they do so well because it's

it's what everybody kind of gets pushed into: of like, oh, they hate Russia.

Russia's our enemy.

I've got to be 100% clear on this.

Everybody in Russia is totally fucking fine.

Yeah.

Kill Putin.

This is a guy.

This is a guy and like 20 billionaires who work for him.

Yeah, it's a guy and the control over the government.

Yeah,

this is nothing to do with Russia as an imaginary concept.

This is, it's a guy.

It's a guy.

Just go kill that guy.

It's not about whiteness, Christian-ness, or anything.

That guy wants stuff.

I don't know how else to describe it other than there's a guy who wants other people's shit.

Yeah, there's an emperor.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Got to kill that guy.

It's not complicated.

It's simpler than Tucker would like it to be.

Yes.

For sure.

Yeah.

I mean, like,

I just, I think the argument that hating Russia because it's a white Christian country is stupid.

Yeah.

Considering all of the white Christian countries, or countries that Tucker would classify as white Christian countries that aren't treated the same way because they haven't invaded their neighbors constantly and they aren't run by a guy who's very clearly an emperor.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Nobody's coming after like Portugal and shit.

Right?

Or France.

Yet.

Yeah.

Let's get them.

Luxembourg, France.

I want Portugal and Luxembourg, France on my desk by Monday.

Give Trump time.

All right.

So anyway, Russia's great.

Sure.

And I think that one of the things that's underlying this messaging that Tucker has is we have to just do everything we can to support and get in line with Russia because otherwise China wins.

And I think that's maybe

if you pushed him hard enough, that's what would come out.

If you squeezed him like a grape, that's the juice.

Right, right, right, right.

The best rational explanation.

Right, yeah.

I mean, yeah,

they're not white enough.

Right.

Yeah.

So,

Alex, as we know from our last episode that we did, one of his employees was murdered.

Yeah.

And this comes up.

Great.

I bet we're going to treat it with all the reverence that it deserves.

Man, it's respectful.

Oh, boy.

There are signs that it's, you know, we're entering a violent stage.

I pray that we're not, but it feels like we are.

You just had a longtime employee assassinated.

There are no extent to which you want to talk about that, but what was that?

Is it a harbinger of things to come?

Well, a month ago, Jamie White, a great reporter,

great guy.

We were working up there Sunday night until about 9 o'clock.

I left.

He went home and then got shot through the carotid artery, one shot through his neck, and then out the back, and then he bled to death.

By the time I got to the hospital, about 15 minutes later, the police got to verdict.

How old was he?

He was 36.

And

he was on the Ukraine hit list along myself and you and a bunch of other

people, everybody getting the SWAT calls, the SWAT team sent to their houses and their families has been on that list as well.

Just basically everyone you know.

Yes.

And then, of course, you know, everyone tortured American journalist Gonzalo Leara to death and then celebrated that.

And

so,

and of course, we have the would-be assassin down in Mar-Lago, who is a big leftist, connected to all these intelligence agencies, recruiting hundreds of fighters for Ukraine.

An American, then he comes back and tries to kill Trump.

So I guess the DA is off the hook.

I guess we've landed on going with Ukraine.

I guess Ukraine is

a Ukrainian man.

Assassinated Jamie White.

See, this is what I'm saying.

I'd be furious if I was a Ukrainian and I'm like, I'm looking at this list.

I'm going down the list.

All right.

If this is the guy you've got for me,

this is not competence.

This is not good.

You think it doesn't rank in terms of targets.

It's not.

Listen, I'm just shoot for the sky.

Sky thinking, you know?

Well, look,

I'm reluctant to talk like this because I think this is even a little bit disrespectful, the fact that someone died, and that is tragic.

But in an RPG,

you can't go against the boss immediately, right?

You need to build up your character.

That's a good point.

So

I think that if you're looking at the list,

so you're saying we're getting some experience points before we can level up to take down Tucker.

I don't know.

Alex thinks sci-fi is real.

Why can't I think RPGs are real?

I'm saying that I'm following along with you, my friend.

This is is a yes and if ever there was one.

I just think this is fucking gross.

I think that they should be ashamed of themselves and whatever.

Yeah, I mean, fuck them.

So Tucker explains in this next clip how we've lost to Russia already.

Lost what?

Everything.

Oh, okay.

So one thing I don't, one fact I don't think has penetrated the brains of policymakers in Washington is that we just lost a war with Russia.

The U.S.

was running that war.

The U.S.

military, the Pentagon, State Department.

Did we have to give them New Mexico?

They were against Russia.

Russia?

It was not, it was never about Ukraine.

No one in Washington cares about Ukraine or the hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian men destroyed.

The fact it'll be populated by third worlders.

I mean, Ukraine, we just eliminated Ukraine.

Nobody cares.

This was a war against Russia.

They hate Russia for a lot of reasons, mostly spiritual.

But we lost.

And my concern is because nobody will say that out loud, that we're overstating our power.

And in the same way that you sometimes see like divorced 60-year-old guys hitting on on young women and don't realize that the young women think this is like absurd.

You're like an old man.

Why are you really thinking I'm going to sleep with you?

But the 60-year-old guy hasn't readjusted to the reality of his present condition.

He still thinks he's 25.

Do you see what I'm saying?

And he humiliates himself.

That can happen at the level of nations where you think you can affect outcomes that you actually don't have the power.

to bring about.

And so that's called hubris, and that's how empires get destroyed and populations vaporize.

Hubris?

And I'm really afraid of that.

Like, why

we should know that we were not able to win a conventional war against Russia, period.

So, like, what does that say about our power?

And maybe we should readjust our expectations a little bit.

I don't want that to be true.

By the way, I want, I'm reading for, I'm American.

I'm not leaving.

My family's buried here.

But, like,

don't you think that we run the risk of thinking we're capable of things that we're not capable of doing?

Well, it's an example.

Hillary had a lot of fraud baked in, but Trump won in such a landslide, he beat her.

and then a lot of Republicans and conservatives and populists thought Trump was going to win for sure so we'd have as big a turnout so they were able to steal 2020 but there was such a giant landslide this time it it overrode the mail-in ballots you know the dead people the illegal aliens voting all of that they ran out of bullets so it's fun how Alex just starts off on an unrelated topic here because it kind of feels connected to what Tucker was saying and he really doesn't know how to respond directly to that.

Tucker said the U.S.

is like a 60-year-old trying to pick up a young woman at a bar.

The country is oblivious to the fact that it doesn't have the abilities that it once had.

It's over the hill.

As Toby Keith might put it, it's not as good as it once was.

If you follow Tucker's thought, he's saying that the U.S.

needs to know its role and submit to Russia.

We can't beat Russia, so Russia makes the rules.

If they want to invade Ukraine, we don't have a say in that because we can't beat them.

Alex should not agree with this.

He also supports Putin, but the way that Tucker is articulating this is defeatist, and it's a bit anti-patriotic.

To relate it back to Toby Keith, Alex can believe that the U.S.

is not as good as it once was, but he has to believe that it's as good once as it ever was.

We can kick any country's ass if we put our mind to it and actually try, because the USA is the best, even at our worst.

Without this feeling, Alex's entire worldview crumbles right in front of him.

Yeah.

Putin has a distinct advantage in this conflict that Tucker seems to be ignoring, which is that he's acting in violation of international law and norms.

He invaded a neighboring country and seized territory, which he's able to get away with because other countries are scared that a full military response would prompt him to escalate things to nuclear weapons.

The U.S.

is one of those countries that's scared, and they have to tiptoe around the conflict as opposed to addressing it directly, which is a disadvantage.

Putin knows that unless there's a justification for these NATO countries entering the war as active participants, it's probably not going to happen.

And his place in the world stage is going to be unchanged.

He's already seen as an undemocratic dictator by most of the world.

And him giving up on this war, it's not going to improve that image.

So long as he doesn't invade a NATO country or do something that would cause the larger powers to get involved, there's no real upside to him not acting like an emperor.

Tucker's take on this is strange, and it's kind of hard to square with any kind of America-first ideas, but you can see that Alex knows he needs to buy some time before responding to this.

I mean, I find it really fascinating because

it is an echo of something that is like

is the American thought process, right?

Can't win a conventional war.

Like, to be clear on this, America could win any war that it wanted to fight if it was fought

in America because you would have to cross an ocean.

and then land and that's not going to happen, right?

So any war, the saying of war in these people's minds is like, well, we send a bunch of of people over there to die, right?

Right.

And we can't immediately win that as though that was ever a possibility.

Right?

Like, you can't just, like, the problem is, again, oceans are very big.

They are.

That's the big issue.

We don't need to.

No, we can't fight a war with anybody, really, unless we send a bunch of people there.

Because nobody's sending them here.

Unless we wanted to fuck around with Canada.

Right.

We would have to fight a war with Canada, which is like, what?

What are we doing?

Well, Trump's trying.

What are you going to take?

Territory?

Like, it's always, it's got to be reminded that, like, the war that they're talking about is taking other people's shit.

Yeah.

It's not like we're fighting to save the day.

Yeah.

You know?

Well, I think in essence, a large part of what's behind

Tucker and Alex and all of, you know, like where they're coming from is that they just don't really believe in sovereignty of other countries.

Yeah.

They believe in it for the United States, but they don't really really believe in

the borders that exist for other countries.

Yeah, there's a ranking system, and if you're not on top, you're a colony of everybody else.

If you're not strong enough, you are food.

Yeah.

And that's.

Yeah.

You know,

Tucker and Alex believe that Russia is strong enough to not be food, whereas Ukraine isn't, and we shouldn't be supporting food over predator.

I mean, you know, that's kind of, yeah.

Anyway, Tucker brings up something,

and it's not really true.

Well, they got in the middle of the war.

This just came out the other day.

The Pentagon wrote an assessment saying that they calculated that if we gave weapons to Ukraine that allowed the Ukrainian military or our military using Ukraine as a proxy to hit targets within Russia, they judged the likelihood of a nuclear exchange at 50%.

And they did it anyway.

At that point, like, you should be in prison for the criminally insane.

Well, that's right.

If Russia moved.

You're risking risking nuclear war?

Like, you should be locked up?

I don't understand.

Like, that's the, I couldn't even believe that.

I mean, I, of course, intuitively knew that.

And say that again because I ruptured.

That's important to sink in for people.

That

the Pentagon, under Joe Biden, assessed, like, because they assess the likelihood of everything, or they guess, you know, they guess, they sort of work out how they think things will progress.

But in every scenario, globally, they do this.

This is what they do at the Pentagon.

And they assess that if we gave certain weapons, weapons that allowed the Ukrainians to strike targets within Russia, if we did that, which we we did

the chance of a nuclear exchange nuclear holocaust that killed everybody on earth would be 50

and they did it anyway so imagine the brain

idiot would make that evil kind of fucking moron thinks this

by like supernatural forces to do something i think there's a 50 that kind of chance there we are supernatural never mind killed in a nuclear

doing it anyway like why aren't you how are you still walking free I'm serious.

No, and I'm glad you brought that assessment up because I really tried to be able to focus on that.

And I agree with that assessment.

So assuming that everything that Tucker said there is true, then consider what the conclusion would be.

If someone is likely to use nuclear weapons, you should do whatever they want.

Mike makes right.

This is a profoundly shallow and dumb perspective on international relations.

And when you throw in that supernatural forces shit to it, Tucker really sounds like someone who thinks he's doing children's television.

So I found an article in Pravda covering this Pentagon document that Tucker's talking about.

Actually, it was covering Tucker telling Alex about the document.

Sounds more likely.

No one knows what this document actually is.

Yeah, because it doesn't exist.

The U.S.

didn't do an assessment that found that if they supplied weapons to Ukraine, it would lead to a 50% chance of Putin using nukes.

This is a misrepresentation of a story about how a Russian general named Sergei Surovikin

really wanted to use a tactical nuke to stop the October 2022 advance that Ukrainian forces were making towards Kherson.

U.S.

intelligence overheard this and upgraded their assessment for the likelihood of nuclear weapons being used from about 10% to 50%.

In response to this, the U.S., under Biden, advocated that the Ukrainian forces ease up so as to not risk triggering this general's desired plan to use tactical nukes.

There's no real consensus on whether or not that guy's plan would have been adopted, but the fact that he was pushing that made U.S.

leaders raise their concerns, and now Tucker is lying about those circumstances in order to prop up Putin.

He's a fucking idiot.

This is insane.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, well.

Yep.

All these people are dumb.

Yeah.

And

I think really the way that they present this information and how they're discussing it,

it relies on a malice and an expectation that the people listening are dumb too.

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, it's...

Who would do this?

They must be demons.

Like, it's outrageous.

Man, remember Progozhin?

Remember how he got blown up in that helicopter?

That's crazy.

What a fucking idiot.

That guy really tried.

He swung.

Putin must have had his family, right?

That had to have been the only thing.

I don't know.

Because that's fucking dumb.

Yeah.

That's one of the great dumb moves of all time.

Yeah, this guy who advocated for the nukes, actually, he disappeared for a little while.

And there was talk that it was because he might have been mixed up with Progosian.

Sounds about right.

And

that attempted coup.

Yeah.

But he's still alive.

And so that was just hearsay.

I don't know if if that's actually...

I don't know if there's any validity to it.

Yeah, you know, but that's...

They're just people who don't know when to get the fuck out.

Just don't know.

Don't know who you're fucking dealing with.

Crazy.

But the thing that's nuts is like

that Wagner uprising and shit, they could have done something.

I don't think they could have succeeded, but they could have done more damage than they did.

I don't know.

Listen, listen.

If you're playing the game, and I hate to say this,

you either win the Game of Thrones or you get blown up in a fucking helicopter.

It shouldn't be complicated at this point, right?

What is a helicopter but a dragon?

Exactly.

What an idiot.

So

Tucker, I think, is stupid.

I think I've made this point, and I'm going to stand by it.

Agree.

And I think him discussing the issue of nuclear power in this next clip, I think it really helps make my case that he's stupid.

Plus, they're never run right.

They always have scenarios where they're not going to leak.

Basically, they all leak.

You see all these stupid conservatives.

Like, the answer is nuclear.

You want more AI data centers,

which I don't.

The answer is coal.

Obviously.

But I don't understand.

Wait, obviously.

This is such a sidebar, and I'll stop in one sentence.

But, like, those of us who grew up in the 70s and 80s remember that all the opponents to nuclear power were like, you know, furry armpit dumb people

and, you know, all the Greenpeace people.

And so you're just like, oh, shut up.

Nuclear is obviously the solution.

Like, you just don't understand science.

How can you be against climate change and also against nuclear power?

I've said that myself, like, a hundred times on TV.

But it's not about the spent fuel rods.

What do we do with nuclear waste?

That's easy.

Put it in Yucca Mountain.

It's about what if these things are untended?

What if they're, you know, the subject of a conventional or nuclear attack?

And you look at all the mismanagement.

There's a massive vulnerability.

Like, why doesn't anyone mention that?

Some people might mention stuff.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Like,

this idea that he argued in favor of nuclear power because the people who were against it were furry, arm-pitted hippies.

Like, that's what he does.

Why would you ever expect any of his positions to have any deeper rooting than that?

That's the kind of person he is.

Yep.

I fucking hate these dirty hippies.

I don't want to listen to anything they say, so the opposite of what they say is correct.

It's oppositional defiance turned into a worldview.

It's pathetic.

These are the people I want to hang out with, so I'll say what they say.

Because I want to hang out with them, that means they must be right.

Because I want to be right.

But because I don't want to hang out with those people, what they say must be wrong.

They smell like patchouli.

Right.

But, you know, it doesn't matter what my people smell like because they smell like what I like them to smell like.

I don't like sitting on bean bags.

Therefore, I am for nuclear energy.

It really isn't that.

Oh, whoops.

I've completely changed my position now.

It's shocking that your belief system is fucking malleable when it comes based on entirely, I want to hang out with this guy today.

Yeah, I think he's stupid.

I think he's fucking stupid, and it's a mistake to take even the toxic, noxious positions that he has all that seriously.

Crazy.

This idea that Russia beat us in this war and all this stuff, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't defend any of that shit in like five years.

Why?

Yeah.

Why would you?

Yeah.

He's

a worm.

He's been against the Iraq war.

He's been for the Iraq war.

He's been against the Iraq war.

He's been for the Iraq.

Who cares what he's been doing?

He's been against Alex.

He's been for Alex.

Absolutely.

None of it means anything.

No.

Yeah.

So Trump, I think we can say that he's a bit destabilizing.

Sure.

He's a little chaotic.

Sure.

And yet extremely predictable if you're not a fucking moron.

I don't know.

I don't know if that's true.

I think some things are still a little bit

left field.

Alex, on the other hand, believes him to be a stabilizing force in the world.

Well, I'd like to talk to folks out there saying Trump is being a destabilizer.

The globalist order was collapsing by their own corruption and mismanagement and their alliance with China being double-crossed.

And so that old order was already being collapsed by them.

And Trump's coming in very pragmatically with a good, fair, freedom-based meritocracy,

competition-based system.

But

to people that want to talk about destabilization, starting the war with Russia, totally destabilization,

dissolving the borders and all the human smuggling and the fentanyl, total destabilization,

engaging in all this overspending and the country basically being bankrupt if we don't grow our way out of it, totally stabilization.

And then, wink-wink, the attempted assassinations of Trump.

What do they think would have happened if Trump really would have gotten killed in Pennsylvania in July of last year or a few months later in Florida?

If you look at the scenarios there, they run from from bad to worse.

So the real destabilization.

And bad for the people behind it.

Like clearly those assassinations were not lone gunmen.

They were part of a much, much larger conspiracy, obviously.

Everyone knows that.

But those people behind those attempted murders would have been in bigger trouble had those murders succeeded.

Attempted murders succeeded, correct?

Absolutely.

And if somebody's able to kill Trump now,

people better hope he doesn't get struck by a bolt of lightning because the bad guys will get to blame.

And

that's why so many people that have kind of been on the fence, the establishment, but were working with the globalists just because that was the system are enthusiastically joining Trump and Elon

because they understand that this is the only game in town for people that aren't delusional.

Oh, that sounds kind of mafia-like.

So you can say a lot of stuff about Trump and make up plenty of reasons to support him if you want, but claiming that he's stabilizing as a force, that does not work.

It's interesting that Tucker has concluded that the assassination attempts were elaborate globalist globalist conspiracies because that definitely hasn't been proven.

He gets around the need for proof with that, come on, it's obvious.

It's obvious.

That act, but that's

fucking full of shit.

It's obvious.

You see this mirrored and celebrated with Alex, where he's saying that the globalists better hope that Trump doesn't get struck by lightning because they'll end up getting blamed.

If the globalists get blamed for Trump getting struck by lightning, then the people have been fooled and they're not operating off of any kind of solid information base.

And that is what Alex is pumped about.

He's helped rot the information economy so bad that a lot of people operate off conclusions now, and they're willing to accept any explanation for why things are happening if they adhere to the conclusions that they already have.

The globalists will want to kill Trump as a tenant of the far-right faith now.

So if Trump dies, then people will be willing to accept any explanation of his death that adheres to that tenant of their faith.

If he has a heart attack, the people will still blame the globalists.

This is not working off reality.

In essence, Alex and Tucker are relishing the fact that they live in a completely malleable and fake information economy where nothing they say really matters so long as it's in service of their narrative.

If you understand what they're saying properly, Alex saying that people will blame the globalists if Trump gets struck by lightning is a serious insult about the people listening's critical thinking skills.

And he's kind of mocking them.

Yeah.

You'll believe anything I say as long as it works for what you want to believe.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know what's you know what's interesting is I think one of the underlying assumptions that I never really examine too often is that

Tucker is assuming that they want to get away with it.

You know?

Like he's assuming if you are doing something, you want to get, if you're doing a crime, you want to get away with said crime so that nobody can post pin it on you.

As opposed to being like,

like, I'm willing to die for this.

You know?

Like the, the, what's his Wilhelm, right?

Like, those guys had tuberculosis and cyanide pills.

Like, the idea was not, we're going to make it through this and, and we'll sneak away and get away with it.

Like, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's, it's.

I'm going out on this one, is the point.

Well, well, yeah, I think that that's, that kind of intersects with like the, the weirdness of how that hit my ears with him being like, things would have been worse for the assassins if they'd succeeded.

Like, that guy died.

Right.

And the guy in Butler died.

The reason I do this is as death.

But how could it have been any worse for him?

Right.

And this is where the disparity in realities work.

Because when you say the people behind it,

we don't even agree on who's behind it.

Yeah.

Like,

yeah, obviously.

What are you talking about?

Things would be worse for the people behind it.

Then kill them or something.

I don't know.

Sure.

What are you talking about?

Things would be worse.

Jesus Christ.

Yeah.

I can't believe how trivially they're dealing with what they imagine to be

a demonic cabal that tried to kill their president.

Yeah.

Like, I don't understand.

They're real chill about it.

Yeah.

Oh, well.

Well, all right.

So something else that Alex is chill about is his legal issues.

Sure.

You could say that he was sued for defaming and harassing and profiting off of

fundraising

based on the harassment.

If that were true, I think things would be different.

Victims of a tragedy.

Or he's fighting the government.

That one of the two.

That one sounds right.

So it just so happens that Alex just got some pretty bad news.

Oh, yeah, the government's after him?

Yeah, man.

So in a way, it's fortuitous that I'm here today because you were here where I was talking to my lawyer right before we started taping.

We got some really big news that in Connecticut, the Supreme Court has said, we're not even hearing your appeal now because it was so strong, the kangaroo show trial, too through there a few years ago, where the judge had already found me guilty.

I wouldn't like it.

Guilty of what?

Of having an opinion

of being insane or whatever.

Those are all legal under the U.S.

Constitution.

Like, you cannot be punished for giving your opinion.

I don't care how ugly other people think it is.

And you've contested whether you even gave that opinion, but it doesn't matter.

Under our system, you're allowed to say what you think.

Period.

Well, you're right, especially.

That's what the Bill of Rights is.

And we have the Supreme Court rulings with the New York Times Sullivan.

That's insane.

So, So, yeah, we got some bad news for Alex.

The Connecticut Supreme Court is not going to hear his case that he lost.

And then he appealed, and the appeals court agreed with the lower court's ruling.

And then now he tried to appeal it to the Supreme Court, and they're not interested.

So I guess he's got the U.S.

Supreme Court, but I don't think that's going to work either.

I don't think they're going to want to meddle into this.

So, yeah, he's fucked.

He's straight fucked.

Well, I mean, like,

in as much as anyone who's really rich, who tries to avoid consequences, can ever be truly fucked,

this isn't going anywhere, is what I'm saying.

Sure, sure, sure.

That $900 million or whatever in Connecticut is on it.

It's on him.

I just refuse to believe that this is, you know, like, I've just let it all go.

He faces no actual.

So that's fine.

Yeah.

Like, I've just let it go.

It's hard at this point to ever be like, ah,

it's coming around the road.

Don't even care anymore.

But I think we can all acknowledge that this is not the news he wanted.

Right, right.

Not yet.

I think he would have liked to go to the Connecticut Supreme Court and do some

PR things outside the courthouse.

Yeah, everybody wants to hit a 95-yard Hail Mary.

It's not always going to happen.

But hey, if it does, it's the best day of your life.

So Alex, obviously, I think half of this show was supposed to be about how he's a prophet.

Right.

And then the other half was supposed to be about lying about this Andy Hook case.

Great.

And so the fact that he lost or the Supreme Court rejected his case is kind of fortuitous.

That is nice.

That gives him something to talk about.

Yeah, it leads them easily into lying about what that was all about.

Great.

And what they did was, with all these PR firms and massive thousands of articles sometimes a month and hundreds of TV programs a year, they built a straw man once I was censored off the internet the last seven years.

Still on my website, InfoWars.com, still on some talk radio, but it was the verboten thing.

People had to go get underground.

They could then build a straw man of things I had supposedly done I never did.

And then when I wasn't defended, other than people like you, it set the precedent to then come after everybody else, including President Trump, when he was taking off everything on January 6th.

So people couldn't hear him saying be peaceful before during the day.

I defended black nationalists who hate whites.

Obviously, I don't agree with them.

I am white.

So are my kids.

Like, I reject their program.

But they were indicted for giving their opinions.

And like, we cannot allow that.

And now the ACLU is just completely captured.

It's like a training organization, nothing to do with free speech.

Like, where are the people who will stand up for the foundational right that separates a free man from a slave, which is the right to say what you think?

And why were they also may they bask in shame for not defending you?

I mean that.

Well, I have a major update.

It's in the last seven years of them suing me and this whole saga, we now have basically all the pieces of exactly what happened.

I told you some about it last night.

It would take a few minutes, but I could just give people a basic summation of what's happened.

Yeah, please.

But first, just an example of free speech.

In Texas, there's famous cases where they take people's small children because the school secretly convinces them with grant money, they get paid for it, public and private, that a little boy is really a girl, a little girl's really a boy.

Let me prime you first.

And the parents find out the school's been putting them in the database, giving them a social worker, sending them to special school times with peer pressure of other kids that have been put in the cult for sterilization, transhumanism.

So, yeah, I mean, that's exactly right.

Your response is exactly right.

Alex is like, my case is going to be thin here, and I'm going to need to get y'all excited.

So I'm going to do some transphobia here and get everyone on board.

In the right mood, I look like I have a strong case.

But if you're in the wrong mood, boy, it does not look good for me.

Yeah, and the uniting glue that we all have here on this extreme right-wing shithead media sphere is that we all really are mad about trans people.

Fun.

All right.

So he just does his normal.

Just regular.

Just the spiel about his case.

Right.

All of the talking.

We've heard him tell Tucker all these things.

God,

I would give so much to never have to hear this exact same case.

I've heard it before a courtroom, during and inside a courtroom, and then inexplicably after

more courtrooms, and then somehow inexplicably, still more outside of these courtrooms.

Yeah, so we're not going to listen to the classic retelling that we've heard over and over and over again.

It'd be nice.

All that much, except where necessary to get some of Tucker's responses.

Great.

I'm given 20-plus things I can't talk about.

My lawyers are sanctioned.

If they try to raise that, well, where did Alex Shones say this?

Where did he do this?

No evidence could be shown to counter them.

They could just say whatever they wanted to.

And then they have a billion and a half dollar judgment in Connecticut.

They have a $50 million judgment total, or $49 million in Texas

because I'm already found guilty.

Then the judge tells them to say how guilty I am.

They lie and totally exaggerate all the money I have, say I got it from these people with no evidence.

And so I knew I was being railroaded for my speech.

They said in the Connecticut trial and in the Texas show trial and on the courthouse steps, we don't want money for Mr.

Jones.

We want to shut him down.

They said that in court filings.

So I go into bankruptcy because I'm out of money personally, never had all this money, they said, not even a fraction of it.

And so for three years, I'm in bankruptcy.

And they keep going and say, we don't want money.

We want him closed.

The judge keeps saying, no, you have to actually, you know,

do a settlement with him or we have to sell him for wars.

This is all because you said something that other people said they were offended by yes but but but but

how can you i don't understand in a free country how other people being offended by what you say

can have you destroyed by the state well it's more than that they said i sent people to their houses i peed on graves all this stuff that nobody did did why weren't you arrested you can't pee on a grave why weren't you arrested

why weren't you arrested for peeing on the grave of the people that sued me i only said the name of one of the people ever if you commit a crime you should be criminally charged for it, and the state has to prove that you did it, at which point you're convicted and punished.

If the state accuses you of something but doesn't charge you with it, they're fucking liars.

So Tucker is getting mad about a fake version of Alex's case because he has two really false premises that he's working with.

The first is that the government sued Alex, and the second is that he was sued because he offended someone.

Neither of these things are true, but if you pretend that the government sued Alex because he offended someone, it's really easy to champion his cause as some kind of a free speech thing, which is why they're doing this dumb bullshit.

Yeah.

These dicks can't make any of their arguments on the merits, so they just create these fake versions of what happened to get mad about and make themselves the victim of everything.

Fuck you.

Fuck this nonsense.

And does Tucker not understand civil courts?

Like,

what is he talking about?

I don't even know.

Alex isn't going to get indicted for this.

What the fuck are you talking about?

You know, my thought whenever I heard him talk was I got rid of all the content of what he was saying.

Mm-hmm.

Otherwise, that would drive me insane.

You just listen to tones.

I was in my head.

I was like, I'm in.

Here's a fantasy I've got.

I was

owning a bar in this fantasy.

I'm also the bartender.

Very small bar.

And then this guy is just in here just fucking talking, just talking.

And it's like, eventually, everybody there goes, you can no longer be in this bar, sir.

And he's like, Ah, free country.

But then we all grab him and just move him outside of the bar.

I feel like that's a reasonable response to Tucker.

Everybody get together and move him outside the bar.

That's it.

Yeah.

Get out of here.

Yeah.

Shoo.

This is unacceptable.

Shoo.

Yeah.

You are so bad and so transparently malicious.

This is bullshit.

Yeah.

I need a broom for you.

Yeah.

So he has, as Tucker introduced at the beginning of the show,

his theory that he's operating off of, and the reason why half of the show is supposed to be about Alex being a prophet, and then the other half was supposed to be about this Andy Hook case and how he's been wronged, is because Tucker's theory is that Alex predicted 9-11, and this is the culmination of the government trying to punish him for that.

That's the premise that Tucker is trying to put forth.

Okay.

So, an adult male human being in the year of our Lord 2025 has decided that a real prophet predicted

9-11.

Yeah.

The only person who did.

Right.

Because of magic.

And then

multiple governments throughout that time period have been putting together a very slow plan, regardless of their partisan status.

that would eventually 25 years later culminate in the moderate lessening of his quality of life.

Yeah, and I think the like the real

fundamental thing was him getting kicked off social media.

Yep.

Like, that's really the consequence that he faced, and mostly that's been undone.

Boy, what a world.

Yeah, no, I mean, when you put it that way, it's kind of stupid.

It doesn't sound great.

No.

No.

You got to be in the right mood, though.

If it's in the right mood, it sounds pretty good.

Yeah, I guess.

So anyway, he talks about how Alex has been punished.

Okay.

And then right after they win, the jury's fine for all this money.

They come back and they say, that's not enough, Your Honor.

We want $2.75 trillion.

That's the GDP of India.

People don't believe that.

Just type in Alex Jones, Sandy Hook,

$2.75 trillion.

And so the judge said, no, you just get $1.5 trillion.

In retrospect, did you ever think when they awarded a judgment against you equivalent to the GDP of India, did you ever think like, maybe I should keep my visions to myself and not, like, next time I see 9-11 coming, I just shouldn't say anything because people who predict the future accurately are always punished for it.

I think that's, I mean,

yeah, I mean, well,

what I realized was I've got something important to say, so I better say it even louder because the evil wants to shut down.

But just to finish the key part, I'm telling you.

I'm sorry, sorry.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

It's making me upset hearing this.

Oh, so upset.

I think that Alex's behavior around Sandy Hook, and if you look at what he actually did,

his behaviors,

I think it's so indefensible that the only way that Tucker can swing this is pretend that it's connected to 9-11.

Yeah.

And Alex predicting it.

That makes sense.

I think this is legitimately the only way he can make that behavior excusable.

Yeah.

And it's pathetic.

It is.

Because, like, he's talking about how Alex is being punished for sharing his visions.

Yep.

Did he share his visions about Sandy Hook?

Is Tucker trying to defend Alex's prescience there?

Or is that just a big whoopsie where the prophet completely missed the mark and ended up leading the charge on terrorizing grieving families?

Hobody's nerfed.

No, no, you can't.

Oh, the prophet.

The prophets sometimes are wrong.

The worst.

It's pathetic behavior.

I just think they should be deeply ashamed.

Yeah, I mean, it is, and it's one of the things that I hated so much about the coverage during the trial, the coverage now, and then the assumption that everybody has of like, well, in bankruptcy and appeals and all this stuff, the judgment's going to go down, and it's not really the amount of money.

Because

what is so important about the judgment is that 14 regular ass people were explained in very exhausting detail what this man did.

And 14 people went, fuck that guy, one and a half billion dollars.

Right.

That's you.

That's what all of us would say.

That's the thing about the jury trial.

And that's what I wanted the coverage to be.

It's about, like, if you had sat through this trial, you would go, fuck that guy to the tune of one and a half billion dollars.

But also, I think that you have a passion that you're describing fuck this guy with that the jurors did not have.

It is not a fuck this guy.

Sure.

This is probably the only consequence that's commensurate to what he did.

Right.

He is incapable of change.

He is on air during this trial defaming these people again and talking shit and trying to antagonize the judge.

He will not change his behavior in a way that he very desperately needs to change his behavior because it hurts people.

And yeah, impartial jurors heard the cases, and that is what they decided.

Yeah, I mean, it could not be more like, hey, it's illegal for us to say,

stop this man.

Like we're in a movie.

Stop that man.

But that's what we're trying to say through this money.

Yeah.

The money means somebody stop him.

Yeah.

We're here.

Will not stop.

We're trying to stop him.

This is the best way we have to stop him.

Now it's your job.

And everybody fumbled that fucking ball hard.

Yeah, because of freedom.

Yep.

So I think that,

man, just shit.

So Tucker and Alex talk about how the government's doing this to him, and it's all the government.

They did it because he predicted 9-11 or something.

And then get ready for another sneaky ad break in here.

Great stuff.

Then when they win the show trial, it was already fixed.

These PR firms come out of Newark, Connecticut, and go, we've been doing this for years.

We exposed Jones.

We did this.

We helped get this big win.

Blah, blah, blah.

Then

this undercover video comes out that is in a predator sexting trolling operation in D.C., which the guy was never implicated in, but that's how he got caught up with the troll, trolling operation.

This Oblevis person,

CIA and FBI, it's confirmed, says, well, we investigated Alex Jones for years at the FBI.

Then he went on to the CIA, that's where he's currently.

And he said we couldn't find anything criminal on him.

So we went to the Sandy Hook people with law firms and we developed this plan with this narrative to take him down.

And now we're in the process of shutting him down.

And the person says, well, are you still trying to put him in prison?

No, we've just destroyed his name and destroyed who he is.

It's all on video.

It's online.

Just type in FBI, CIA agent,

admits to running Sandy Hook

Frame job of Alex Jones.

We recommend you take this moment to do what we're about to do, which is

enjoy an alp.

Wow.

Just to kind of refresh our baseline assumptions here, is the CIA allowed to destroy people in the United States?

That's unreal.

It's illegal.

That did not just happen.

Oh, it happened.

What the fuck was that?

That was Alex Jonesian.

Except it's not.

Alex is smoother.

That was.

Yeah.

That's...

This is bad.

That was bad.

Yeah, selling his tobacco pouches that aren't woke.

It makes me long for the day.

Like, I long for the openness of the, like, right after this, and now first,

a long drag of this American cigarette we'll enjoy.

Well, like our first episode of the cat had the Winstons.

Yes, absolutely.

This was brought to you by Winston.

Just fucking, goddamn, man.

man.

I think that this is

tacky and gross.

Alex is very clearly slandering this guy

and accusing him of being caught in a pedophile sting operation and then saying that he admitted to planning the Sandy Hook hit job on Alex.

This is, I would sue the shit out of him if I were this guy, just on principle.

Why not?

But then just a weird out of nowhere

pouch tobacco ad.

Now.

See, now here's the other thing.

If I'm doing this, they've just given me an idea for the greatest OnlyFans ad breaks that's ever been.

Do what I'm doing right about now and enjoy Melissa.

I think that Tucker is really channeling Alex in the making noises.

Yeah.

I think Alex has rubbed off on him a little that you could just make noises and real gross noises.

Yeah.

So I think in order to defend any of the shit that Tucker is trying to defend and to prop up this stupid theory that Alex predicted 9-11 and has been punished ever since for being a vision profit guy,

you need to create fake versions of the criticism that's leveled at Alex.

And so Tucker does that here.

All of this stems from a school shooting in Connecticut.

12 years ago.

12 years ago.

And you suggested

that there was something weird about this.

I covered covered other people saying that.

Correct.

You did not commit the school shooting.

No.

Adam Lanza did.

Adam Lanza did.

And I said for years I believe it happened before they suit me.

Right.

So we spent approximately zero time and zero money as a country trying to figure out why would Adam Lanza murder all these children?

We're all against murdering children.

Some of us are against murdering all children, including in foreign countries and here in abortion claims, we're just against murdering kids.

Okay, so I'm not going to cede the moral high ground on kids to ghouls like this.

So, okay.

But we have no idea why Adam Adam Lands did this.

No one's trying to find out.

You instead are being blamed, or the father of four kids, for the murder of all these kids when you had literally nothing to do with the murder at all.

And the actual murderer is probably brain-fried in SSRIs or whatever, the cause.

Like, no one cares.

Well, that's right.

He was on SSRIs, like, almost all of them.

And exactly.

And here's the finale.

But, like, no one cares.

So, like, all these people jump up and down, including some of these parents, I assume.

And, like, I understand they're upset.

Their kids are murdered.

I mean, I, I,

who let this guy back in my bar?

Blaming you for it?

Who let this guy back in my barn?

You get the fuck out of here.

Unbelievable.

I would say that the end of that clip is

generous to call an unforced error on Tucker's part.

Really being a total asshole.

Wow.

Yeah, I think that if you pretend that people think Alex did the shooting, then yeah, man, that's not right.

He shouldn't, like, people shouldn't think that

because he didn't, and no one thinks he did.

I also think it's kind of stupid to say that no one thinks or no one cares about why Adam Lanza carried out the shoot.

I think people care a great deal, and people spent a lot of time wrestling with that and

trying to figure that out.

This is disgusting.

Yeah.

Yeah,

I'm trying to focus.

I'm trying to focus.

You got to stay in the pocket with this shit because this is clearly like

this is for, this is for us, man.

This is for us to, like, oh, I'm so mad that he would say this nonsense because then we've wasted our time listening to him talk about it and then feeling things about it.

He doesn't even believe those words.

He doesn't even know what he's saying.

He's like a minor bird.

He's just mimicking what humans sound like.

Yeah, there's legitimately no way for him to have engaged with any of the content and any of the stuff that has happened and come away with these conclusions.

Yeah.

I think that there is a version of an argument that you can make that Alex was over-punished for something.

You could make that argument.

You could say that,

you know, like he was persecuted more than lying about these people and directing the harassment the way that he did deserves.

I think you could say that.

Right.

You can't say this stuff.

If you have any awareness of anything that has happened, this is

just, you don't care.

If you made the argument, I would ask politely for you to leave my bar.

If you said shit like this, you're getting tossed out of that bar.

And I think that's fair.

Yep.

Yep.

So Tucker lays out his thesis, which is that you predicted 9-11 and now you're being punished for it.

Makes sense.

And I just, the title of this clip is, This guy is profoundly stupid.

The point is, is now to last night, the Connecticut Supreme Court said, We're not even going to hear your appeal, and which is ironclad, abusive process, all

Texas.

The judge violated three laws cut and dry.

I mean, the cap is at $5 billion.

She said, I don't care about the Texas cap.

I'm doing 45.

The change was 49.

They just don't care.

And it's the same in all of this lawfare.

Just like a judge found.

But you never did anything.

You never broke any laws.

They would have indicted you.

Like, this is all so

hallucinogenic.

It's so crazy.

Well, imagine

it's like I'm their chew toy, and they just chew on me.

But your crime, crime, look, I just want to refer you to the very first moments of this conversation when I pointed out once again for the hundredth time, you called 9-11 in detail before 9-11.

So that is like,

just from my perspective as an outsider and someone who knows you, that's like the defining fact of your life.

That's the first sentence of your obituary.

No one did that, only you.

That fact, I think, is responsible for everything that has come after.

Well, just exactly.

So dumb.

Just so dumb.

That's the first line of Tucker's obituary.

Yeah.

Believed Alex wholeheartedly.

I think that every guest that he has on his show should have to be asked about what they think about Tucker believing this.

Yep.

I think it would be embarrassing.

I think he'd end up with...

Tucker's show should just now, from now on, be about trying to indoctrinate people to the cult of Alex.

Yeah.

He's a prophet.

Don't you understand?

There's so many things that Alex does that

are like

preemptive arguments uh uh against what are so obviously his own faults like

by delegitimize by like being people have no memories by delegitimizing that as a concept of things to say about other people

you leave open this shit where it's like the reason that tucker is allowed to get away with this is because people have forgotten tomorrow that all of this happened.

Yep.

People have no memories is not what Alex means.

It means that nobody is going like Tucker until you answer for this thing that you did.

We go no further.

You know?

Yeah.

It's just never going to happen.

You said you were attacked by a demon.

We go no further until you tell me the name of said demon.

What have you done to look into demonology since then?

Are you working on like protecting your family from demons?

Do we have products already available about demons?

If I got attacked by a demon, I wouldn't be hanging out with Alex Jones.

I'd be hanging out with witches.

I would be hanging out with.

It's all real.

If I got attacked by a thing that other people believe to be fictional, the next thing that would happen is everything in my life would be about how that fictional thing is real.

Yeah.

I'm the witcher.

Yeah, absolutely.

The whole thing is real now.

If I'm Tucker, I always have a sword that I have blessed or something.

I'm carrying around holy water like I'm one of the Belmonts.

If I'm attacked by a demon, right?

I don't care if you believe or don't believe.

I'm busy fighting demons now.

Yeah, and I think that maybe that is a part of the unearned confidence that he has with

trying to defend Alex.

It's like, Alex is on my side against those demons.

Maybe that's part of it.

Wild.

These guys are fucking dumb.

Man, I think they both killed Gene Hackman.

Yeah.

Shockingly doesn't come up.

200 prophetic vision.

That's so important to his profit story.

It should be.

Weird.

Could have been.

So Alex talks here about how he's the bug, the ant in Bug's life.

He's the ant in the one where they're like, if one bug stands up, then all the rest of the bugs won't stand up, too.

Yeah.

And Tucker's like, that's great.

They want Alex Jones' head on the wall as a symbol to scare everybody else.

I mean, they said that in the courthouses and on the courthouse steps.

They said, send a message to everybody else, these patients, zero.

We're going to take him off

and destroy him.

And we're going to scare every one of these other Americans to keep.

I mean, literally, it's like in Bug's Life when the head grasshopper says, yeah, we got all this grain.

Why are we going to go beat up the ants?

Because one little ant stood up.

He goes, yeah, one little grain doesn't hurt.

But he goes, but if they all stand up and he pulls it and it floods them, he goes, if those little puny ants outnumber us 100 to 1, and if they ever figure that out, it's over for us.

That's why we're going back to kill that ant.

That's That's exactly right.

That's it.

So I'm just the ant in Bug's life.

You are, but it hasn't worked.

And so I want to make a prediction because I just want to be on tape saying this.

I'm going to say it again even more clearly this time.

And of course, I hope I'm wrong.

I pray I'm wrong.

But I do think a lot of the really crazy, bitter ethnic hate that you see on social media is fake.

It's, it's,

people are saying it don't mean it.

I think it's like, you know, the Klansmen, you'd see marching and you're like, they're no Klansmen.

And he'd be like, what?

And of course you find out that it's all, it's fake.

And it's designed to convince people that there's like a lot of roiling ethnic hatred that doesn't really exist.

And that's a predicate.

It's a Patriot Front.

Exactly.

It's Charlottesville.

But that's happening online right now.

And I know that it is.

And I think that at some point, I pray I'm wrong, but there's going to be an act of violence, ethnic-inspired violence, of hate-inspired violence, actual hate, like killing people.

And I really hope I'm wrong.

But I feel like this is real and that that event will be used to shut down free speech on social media

because that is the threat.

And you saw with TikTok, like, oh, we need to ban TikTok because China owns it.

No, nothing to do with China.

It had everything to do with opinions that the people in charge didn't like being expressed there.

And it's like, we're just going to, and the Congress went along with it.

But if there's an act of violence and innocents are murdered, and I pray that doesn't happen, because I hate that above all, but it has happened, and I feel like it could happen again.

And people say, and a lot of good people will go along with it, just like they went along with the censorship of you and the destruction of your life.

Or like how you supported the Iraq war, you dip shit.

Dan, I am getting dangerously close to invoking the angel of death.

Yeah.

I think I'm going to

talk to your pastor.

I think I'm going to have to talk to my pastor because after listening to that, I am dangerously close for praying for bad things.

Fuck you, man.

What the fuck?

That's outrageous.

But also, it's fascinating how Tucker is convinced that all this racial hatred, like the Klan members or white supremacists, it's all fake.

But he thinks that Russia is hated because they're a white Christian country.

It's strange how the racism expressed by white people is fake, but the racism he imagines is directed towards white people is the biggest problem in the world.

Strange how that works.

It seems convenient to you, but that's just because you're not a deep thinker.

Right.

See, otherwise, because if it wasn't that way, then maybe, so think about it this way.

His show is generally about like white genocide.

All of this stuff is based on these fears that they have about replacement and shit.

Well, but I mean, think about it.

Think about if all the racism that white people give is real, and all of the racism that he says white people receive is actually fake.

Well, then, white people historically

came over and like murdered a bunch of people and then stole their shit.

That doesn't happen.

See, there you go.

Yeah.

I just, I find,

I,

I think, you know, like, you're, you're saying, like, you're not a deep thinker.

And what I think is that this is fucking baby shit.

Yep.

This is children's television

for

awful people.

It is, it is like, sometimes it does feel like, hey, I don't even want to address you.

Grow up.

Yeah.

Then we can talk.

Grow up.

Or

get out of my fucking bar.

Get out of my bar.

Get out of my fucking bar.

Get out of my bar.

You can't drink here.

We're trying to have a good time.

You can't drink here.

You can drink other places.

If you don't get it, man.

Get out of my bar.

So, anyway, what an appearance.

I think these guys come off as real pieces of shit, and I think they're stupid.

But also, I think this is boring.

I think this was,

there was an electricity to the other times that Tucker and Alex have gone up against each other or done a show together.

And I think that it's a miscommunication of Tucker really wanting this premise to be pushed, which is you are a prophet, you predicted 9-11, and now all of the bad things that people think about you is because the devil is trying to punish you for trying to save humanity from 9-11.

Let me tell you this, right?

That sounds crazy.

Second thing that's crazy,

Tucker did not feel that he needed to give Alex that context, that he could

bring this insane plan,

this insane idea on Alex, and Alex would be like, absolutely.

Now, this should really be insulting to Alex.

Yes.

Because you were assumed to be so dumb that you would be like, well, obviously the CIA did this because I predicted 9-11.

Right.

I think that Tucker was aware, at least on some level with Kraft, that this is the best way to present this person.

Probably.

This is the way that they will come out looking the best, the way that I can use them in the future to the greatest benefit.

And I think that he assumed that Alex would get it and his narcissism would

be stroked by these things and Tucker would be able to walk him through it.

Now, unfortunately, Alex, I guess, was in the mood to be taken seriously.

And I think that there's the false modesty that he's expressing with the, oh, little old me, I didn't choose to be.

I mean,

God didn't choose me to fight the devil.

Little old, he's trying not to come off as conceited or something to Tucker's audience, not realizing that that ruins the game that they're supposed to be playing.

Yeah.

And that's fun, kind of.

It would be nice if they just have a sit-down beforehand and Tucker is like, hey, whatever I say, all right, I am trying to pin all consequences on your success, thus ratifying consequences as a measure of success.

Let me use you.

Putting those two together means that you will be safe.

And Alex was like, I do not understand that at all.

Yeah.

Not even a little bit.

Yeah, and because he kind of didn't play along with the premise, the conclusion ends up kind of, it just looks stupid.

And I think they wasted an interview.

Yep.

Anyway, we'll be back and check in and see what else is going on in Alex's stupid fucking world.

But until then, we have a website.

It's knowledgefight.com.

Yep, we'll be back.

But until then, I'm Neo.

I'm Leo.

I'm DZX Clark.

I am the mysterious professor.

Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo.

And now here comes the sex robot.

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.

Thanks for holding.

Hello, Alex.

I'm a first-time caller.

I'm a huge fan.

I love your work.

I love you.