#1073: Farewell, Sweet Ding-Dong

Owen is busting his ass.

You're doing more than I ever did at his age.

And I hope he will overshadow soon when I go.

Owen Schroyer.

Well, you've already had your mic attacked.

That's in the news.

You were just attacking.

Let's talk to him.

Let's go talk to him.

Because I know somebody screamed at Roger that he was a traitor.

Don't know what's my mic.

Bro, they're attacking him.

He didn't touch them.

They assaulted him.

They have been trained for this.

You've got a lot of cameras on listening to me.

I'm going to go to break for three minutes.

He said that's a lie.

Anybody?

He wants to try to humanize them and talk to them.

He gets baited.

And I'm not mad mad at Owen.

This is real TV and radio.

So you're in front of all the news cameras.

It's like I'm a ghost trying to talk to the living.

It's supposed to be like, like, you know, your child is using tenth of them.

I'm a ghost.

I saw it.

They'll take it away.

It's under their bed, and they don't hear me.

Owen, speak to the news cameras about what happened to Roger.

But it's okay.

It's just how it always works.

So that's that.

No more coverage from Owen Schroyer.

They say something to him.

He's got to respond to him.

And then that's the end of it.

So do your own live feeds, Owen.

You're doing a great job.

This is what the fake news has done to this country.

This is what the Democrat...

Did they just grab our mic?

Lost audio.

Let Owen know when they need to reconnect.

The wire got pulled out.

Can you give a statement for Alex Jones?

Fuck you.

What you get, Alex.

That's what you get, Alex.

Hey, everybody.

Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.

I'm Dan.

I'm Jordan.

We are a couple dudes.

Like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

Oh, indeed we are, Dan.

Having a little giggle attack because we had not listened to that DJ Danarchy new remix.

Absolute gold.

Oh my god.

Oh, great.

What wonderful stuff.

This world, all right?

You used to have to wait weeks, nay, months for someone to put together music that would be a modicum of music.

And then they'd have to put it in a wax cylinder

and send it over by horse.

Less than 24 hours, this motherfucker has ripped audio from the goddamn world and turned it into something amazing.

Owen Schroyer announced that he'd quit at InfoWars less than 24 hours

before we're recording right now.

Wild.

Yesterday was a day.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Wow.

So anyway, thank you, Dan Archie.

That was amazing.

That was amazing.

How could that not be a bright spot?

I mean, there can be no greater bright spot than that.

Yeah.

But arguably, I would say that today is a tough day to have a bright spot.

Yeah.

Because the world is a little dimmer.

A little darker.

Because Owen Troyer is no longer an info warrior.

Does that, does that, interesting.

What if what if you're removing a shade?

Does that mean that there is a more light?

It's brighter out.

I don't know.

Why don't you ask Bill Gates what's going to happen when he removes the blocking of the Zun?

The blocking of the sun?

That's a good point.

Well, I mean, would it not be brighter?

Because it would just raise the level of normal.

Sure.

Right?

Yeah.

So it would have to be.

Yeah.

Sure.

Yeah.

Okay, look.

All right.

Here's the situation.

I'm abstaining from a bright spot and reverence for Owen Schreier.

Okay.

Do you have a bright spot?

No, we shall.

I mean, if one, then the other.

I think that makes the most sense.

That's fair.

Yeah.

That's fair.

Yep.

I went through so many emotions in figuring out what I was going to do.

I thought about the sound of silence.

Sure.

I thought about Michelle Branch's great song, Goodbye to You.

Fair enough.

There's a lot of farewell type songs.

There are quite a few.

A lot of needle drops I was thinking about making, but I decided none of them.

How many songs have Owen in them?

An Owen?

How many songs refer to an Owen?

Is there a Taylor Swift?

Does Taylor Swift talk about an Owen in her life?

I listened to all of her albums and reviewed

a long time ago.

You should know if anyone.

I listened to the Throw It Away.

I know the hits.

All right.

She doesn't mention Owen in Blank Space.

No, I can't remember an Owen.

Owen was not trouble when he walked in.

Hmm.

Nope.

Look, hey, shit's tough.

Shit's tough.

And we've got an episode today to talk about what has happened in the last, I mean, it's not just the last 24 hours, really.

This is a culmination of some things that have been bubbling under the surface.

And, ooh, what a mess.

What a mess.

All right.

So we'll get down to business on some of that.

But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.

So first,

sorry for dragging you into this Bronco.

Thank you so much, Uranio Policy Wonk.

I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Next, Brian, the 44-year-old former Mormon father of six, faithfully and fastidiously making his way through the full knowledge fight catalog.

Thank you so much, Uranio Palazzo Wonk.

I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

And Isamadean E.

Alex, thank you so much, Uranio Palzuwonk.

I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much.

I decided not to cheat because there is phonetic spelling after it.

Yeah, I gave you the opportunity.

Yeah.

I was off.

Yep.

And we got a Technocrat in the mix.

So thank you so much, too.

Charlie Sheets says trans rights.

Thank you so much.

You're an Iowa Technocrat.

I'm a policy wonk.

Four stars.

Go honk your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.

Daddy Sharp.

Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

He's a loser, little, little kitty baby.

I don't want to hate black people.

I renounce Jesus Christ.

Thank you so much.

Yes, thank you very much.

So, Jordan, we've really hit the ground running.

Right.

I think that the intro theme song and just some sort of palpable excitement has made it so we can't.

We've started with a piece of information as if everybody already knows.

Right, right, right, right.

The news for us is monumental, but it is also possible that somebody maybe doesn't just know.

Right, yeah.

This isn't automatically, it wasn't like a U2 album that gets sent to everyone's phone.

I like that reference.

Wasn't that like 20 years ago now?

It's the only time I can think of that an album was forced on everyone.

That is a good point.

Well, the backlash to it was pretty severe.

Yeah.

There was no like push notification, amber alert situation that Owen Schroyer had left his job at InfoWars.

Right, right, right.

And that was announced September 1st.

Okay.

Labor Day.

Labor Day.

On one level, I feel a little conflicted about the whole thing, especially the timing of it.

It's It's coming out that it's news on Labor Day, and I'm supposed to be celebrating a guy not working.

I mean, there is that.

The irony.

It's there.

I'm tortured.

Yeah.

So Owen sucks a lot, and he doesn't have the goods to make it on his own in the hyper-competitive world of right-wing propaganda and supplement sales.

So his departure from Infowars really seems like a big shock.

He'd been through so much with Alex, and he'd never left.

He was there through Trump losing in 2020.

He was there as COVID happened.

He was there on January 6th, then he ended up going to jail.

He gave a deposition in the Sandy Hook case where attorney Bill Ogden got him to say that he was a puppet.

He was there as Alex sat idly by and let Gene Hackman die.

He watched his position as Alex's heir apparent get usurped by Chase Geyser and then again by Nick Fuentes.

And through all of that, he didn't leave.

But now he's gone.

Obviously, good riddance and rest in piss and all that shit, but for real, this is a major moment in Infowars trajectory.

Owen came to Infowars in the period around the 2016 election, and he'd got Alex's attention by being the guy who would go out to protest and antagonize people.

He'd get into fights and just post the parts that made him look smart and cool on YouTube, which earned him the title of the Cuck Destroyer.

In some ways, this is kind of the next generation evolution of Alex's whole thing.

He made a name for himself by antagonizing people with a bullhorn and by selectively editing videos in a way that made him look like a crusading hero.

Alex made a big scene on camera at the DMV when he refused to get thumb scanned, but he was sure not to record the part where he came back later and went along with the process because he needed to get his driver's license to go to work.

I mean, everybody needs a driver's license.

What are you gonna do?

Yeah, what are you crazy?

Owen was playing the same sort of game, but in the new generation, it was much crueler, and his version really only worked when he was able to make someone else look like a fool.

So he built a name for himself by giving other people he included in his videos names, like Aid Skrillix and all of these side characters.

Man,

there's a resume in there, huh?

And he made it to the big leagues.

Alex brought him in, and over the years since, Owen has got less and less interesting by the day as he became a piece of the furniture at Infowars.

He's gotten older and less brash, which dampens the whole cuck destroyer thing.

He's hosted The War Room for years, and no one cares.

It's not syndicated on radio stations.

He doesn't have other sponsors than Alex's dumb shit, and the show garners so little respect that Steve Bannon decided to call his show The War Room, and he forced Alex to be okay with it.

He used the same name.

Just took it.

Just respect.

Just took it.

Owen should have quit long ago, but there was nowhere to go.

He's not that talented, but he also just doesn't have a place.

He's a news anchor, or at least he thinks that he is.

And that's a job that no one needs anymore.

And unfortunately for Owen, the audience that he's cultivated particularly despises news anchors.

Anchors are exactly what their name implies.

They anchor the show.

They hold it in place and keep things where they need to be.

They're boring and their personality is not a relevant factor in whether or not they're doing a good job and they don't exist in right-wing media.

Right-wing media can only exist based on constant motion.

I've made the metaphor of a Jesus lizard before or Wily Coyote running off a cliff.

As long as they keep moving, they don't fall.

The second you acknowledge that the ground isn't solid, you're done.

So you have to keep moving.

Every headline you come across is actually about some other story, and it all connects, and if you just keep talking, people will forget what you were saying, and it doesn't matter that none of it makes sense.

This media format is based on chaos and motion, whereas an anchor is the embodiment of stability and steadiness.

Owen has always thought that he was being an anchor, but he doesn't realize that that's a vestigial position in the media field that he works in.

On the one hand, what an anchor does hurts the process of Infowars-style media, but on a more important level, the audience distrusts anchors and inherently feels like they're liars.

Alex yells about how all the people in the news are like they're teleprompter readers, being fed globalist scripts, and a big part of that is just attacking them for being professional.

They don't have emotional outbursts on air and rant about sci-fi movies they kind of remember because that's not their job.

Their job is to deliver information in an understandable and concise manner.

But that detachment from baser human impulses can look like deception to suspicious minds, and Alex preys on those suspicious minds.

The entire ecosystem that Infowars represents is built in opposition to that, the dinosaur media, the MSM, and their audience doesn't want dry newsreaders and anchors.

They want personalities, they want drama and excitement.

Alex didn't hire Owen because he had did solid work at the sports station that he worked at before.

He hired him because he posted videos where he made fun of leftists and tried to make them cry.

But I don't think Owen has ever fully understood that, that that is why he got hired.

And that not understanding is part of what makes him so painfully uninteresting as an Infowars host.

Owen thinks he's a news anchor, and it's probably because he was a straight sports guy before he got hired at Infowars.

But he gave up that whole thing.

That whole thing is gone to pursue the path that he decided to take instead.

He bullied people and made fun of people at protests, and that opened the door to Infowars for him.

And when he stepped through that door, there were no anchors.

There are no straight-up reporters there are personalities and characters working to push the narrative and sell pills so right now he's either completely fucked or he's perfectly situated to exploit the current situation in the world alex is blowing up his own ship and ruining whatever legacy he thought he might be able to hold on to he's cheerleading trump's clear police state actions and clearly signaling that trump covering up the epstein stuff isn't important enough for him to care about but he's also about to lose his company and with it he's going to lose the InfoWars name and brand.

Alex is weak because of the consequences he's suffering, but also because he's making decisions that cut against the grain of the worldview he's sold.

And he's also promoting Nazi shit.

And that's where Owen's dilemma falls.

As it stands, Alex can't appeal to the Nazi types in his audience by pretending to be one of them.

That's a lost cause.

He has too much baggage.

He could never really convince them he's cool.

But Owen could.

Owen could market himself as the guy who left InfoWars because Alex wasn't letting him speak freely.

Alex wouldn't let him name names and call out the Jews.

He could craft a new space for himself, but it would mean being a pretty open Nazi and completely burning Alex.

On the flip side, he could notice Alex's clear drift towards anti-Semitic shit and towards supporting the police state and everything Infowars is supposed to be against and brand himself as the real Infowars.

Alex lost his way and got caught up chasing power and Trump's cult of personality seduced him into forgetting his principles.

But Owen remembers.

He tried to make it work on the inside until the point where Alex was clearly irredeemable and he just had to quit.

Owen didn't leave the party, the party left him.

He could do that.

These are the two paths that could work for him, but ultimately neither are really going to get him that far.

He sucks, and no one would have ever heard his name if he hadn't gotten hired at Infowars, so that level of talent is going to even things out eventually.

If he tries to become a Nazi guy, he's not going to be the best Nazi guy in that media space.

If he tries to be the real InfoWars guy, he's not going to be great at that either.

He has a fairly short window where he's anything other than just another guy.

For a little while, he gets to be the guy who left InfoWars.

And if he capitalizes on that right, he might be able to buy a little bit of time, but it's not going to last.

He's an anchor in a media space that doesn't need anchors, and he's not good enough of an Alex impersonator to stand out on his own as a personality in this space.

So, I wish Owen the least safe of travels in his future endeavors, but the question remains: why did he quit?

Did he quit?

That's what he says.

He quit.

Yeah.

I would argue that based on his telling of the story that we're going to get through later, I think he was fired.

Yeah, I think he was.

Okay, so here's what I know.

All right.

Somebody sent us an email with the heading, Owen Leaves InfoWars, which is very frustrating because I almost didn't know about it.

I almost made it.

Imagine if you didn't know when you were there.

Because I just, I just, I've left the internet almost entirely, you know?

Like,

I could have escaped.

Ooh, that's so, and it's frustrating, but I get it.

I wonder if you would, could you have processed that information in the moment?

In the moment, I don't know.

I mean, because I still kind of can't, in a way,

unless,

here's what I'd say, right?

You maybe you have some friends in the old radio.

It's easy to change your name, especially to a nom to radio.

Well, his name is Jonathan.

There you go.

Go somewhere else, pretend you never went to Infowars, do sports again.

Jonathan, whatever your mom's made in name.

Absolutely.

Leave it all behind and just be like, man, the Pats.

And that's it.

Just do that.

Perfect.

Your life is 10 times better.

Yeah.

Right?

I mean, honestly,

we're going to talk a little bit about Owen taking some calls, and a few of these people brought up sports things, and he lit up like a Christmas tree.

Of course he did.

How great is it?

But here's the problem, right?

Wasn't he making almost like $150,000, $200,000?

Like, he was making a shit ton of money.

I don't remember the precise numbers, but I remember being shocked.

We were all like, no, you shouldn't.

Yeah.

You shouldn't be paying him that.

You would not be commanding this salary anywhere else.

Yeah, absolutely not.

And yeah, and I think that that's part of the trouble.

Yeah.

But why do you quit?

I want to know.

I don't know why he quit.

I don't know why he quit.

He's put up with so many humiliations in the past so far.

It just doesn't seem like it would have to be something fairly major.

I mean,

I suppose

if you wanted attention, like if you wanted to do some attention seeking right now before Infowars is completely gone with a, with hopefully a whimper,

make a blow-up.

You know, make a big fight.

And then, you know, Owen can get his, like, the New York Times reporters are slobbering over, like, oh,

why does Alex suck pieces?

Those are going to be everywhere.

Well, maybe, if he goes along with it, that's a choice that he can make.

Based on what I've seen from what he's put out, I don't think that that's the direction that he wants to go.

So, I don't know if those pieces

will be written.

Go back to some of the stuff.

He might talk to somebody on background or something, but like, I don't know if he wants to do a Josh Owens-style article.

That's what you do.

That's the move.

It would be a move to do.

But I think that that would hurt him.

Like, there is no audience to chase in that direction right you would get a little bit of momentary attention out of like Schadenfreude from New York Times readers like haha I knew they were full of shit yep or whatever but it wouldn't last those people wouldn't come over to you

no because two weeks later you get back together sure

no big deal and the only audience you have to chase is further right right the only the only real audience that's relevant that owen could be tapping into is like just admit you mean jews when you say globalists that's really the only people he has to look for right doing anything else yeah or trying to be closer to like mainstream respectability ridiculous is going to be like the audience that you could have captured is just gonna be like oh you left to sell out even more yeah or whatever all right how about this uh you send him out for a couple weeks to come back with a new persona like a wrestler you know great he's he's gone a couple of weeks and then all of a sudden we've got new owen who's this jacques character Right?

He's got a mustache, he's French, deep,

Jacques Schroeder.

What?

Yeah,

hell yeah.

It's about time somebody took it to the front.

I do want to say one thing before we even get into any of this.

Sure.

I don't exclude the possibility that maybe this is a prank of some sort

and that Owen hasn't quit or will work.

Sure.

Who knows?

Whatever.

If that's the case, case, then good on you.

All of my insults still stand, and I still think all of these things about all of you.

Either way, I don't actually care about this.

You didn't prank me and get one over on me.

This is fun, or it could not be happening.

I find no difference between the two.

Yeah.

So I wanted to understand the situation and what was going on.

So what I decided to do was...

Let's go look at the last full day that Owen was at the war room.

Okay.

And see if we can find any clues in his coverage.

We're doing a Rash Oman.

Well, I mean, it's the last piece of evidence that's there.

Right.

So we're starting here on the 26th.

That was a Tuesday.

Last Tuesday.

Was his last day fully

at the war room desk?

I mean, I don't know how else to explain it.

The Trump administration is

going fascist.

I mean, it's fashion light is what we're calling it.

I mean, getting a 10% stake in Intel.

Now they're looking at at getting stakes in these defense contractors.

So

when it comes to applied politics,

I am more of a pragmatist than anything else.

I mean, myself personally, I'm a conservative.

Myself personally,

I'm on the right, maybe a little socially liberal, but

I don't live in a tyranny.

I'm not a dictator.

So you have to be pragmatic.

So I'm not somebody that comes on here as a big anti-fascist, but

it certainly is a concerning thing.

Now, I don't see the big Antifa movements out in the streets now, ironically enough.

They never were!

Well, he's wishy-washy on fascism.

It does feel like you could...

I feel like it's a

safe place to just be like, I'm not Antifa, but I am not cool with fascism.

Yeah,

I feel like that's a real safe position to have, unless you're worried that a large portion of your audience is kind of into fascism.

I'm going to say this.

I would argue that perhaps the most American thing you could possibly do is be like, no fascism, thank you.

Yeah.

It gets out of hand real fast.

Yeah.

I think that

it's shocking to hear him just say that Trump is going fascist.

Yeah.

Because pretty, like, almost objectively, you could see that as a negative.

Right.

And maybe Owen doesn't mean it as like just a full out-and-out negative thing.

Yeah.

But it's not what you would expect to hear from like Alex.

Yeah.

Alex isn't going to say that Trump is going fascist.

No.

And it's a level of,

what would I say?

If you can see this now, what else could you have been seeing?

Right.

You know what I mean?

Like, why now is this a thing?

Yeah.

Because it's been, this is not a new thing.

No.

No.

No,

it's weird.

It's a little bit surprising.

Yeah.

Especially the language, but it's not, it doesn't work.

no so he talks a little bit more and seems to think that Trump is lying about everything well like yeah I just don't get it yeah I really don't when Trump comes out and says how great the economy is doing and how all the prices are lowered and I'm just like

is anybody seeing this I'm genuinely asking is anybody seeing this it's definitely not here not here in Austin Texas

I mean, gas prices are down a little bit from the Biden administration.

A little bit.

it's not it's not really budget changing uh the grocery bills are certainly not down if anything they're they might be up i guess depending on what you purchase

wow and then just generally speaking uh energy bills aren't going down here either so so i don't know what he's talking about with that i don't know if that's somebody telling him that that's the case or if somebody's feeding him numbers that are that are isolated in some area that's doing better.

I don't know.

If it's an average, I don't, nobody's telling me this is going on.

So

I'm going to get get Ed Dowd's opinion.

You know, I'm just going to do this on air.

Hey, guys, I got some weird noise in the studio.

Can somebody just come in here and figure out what this is?

This is bothering the hell out of me.

Don't worry if you're in the background here.

It sounds like it's right behind me.

Sorry to do that.

It sounds like there's a rat running around the screens behind me.

Anyway, that's fun.

Maybe you might catch a rat live on air.

Oh, boy.

So it's clear that Owen has a perspective that's kind of unwelcome at Infowars.

He's able to accurately call Trump taking 10% stake in Intel fascism, and he's able to see through the deer leader's lies about how well the policies are all going.

This isn't good because if it's allowed to continue, he and Alex are gonna drift further and further apart, and it's gonna be too clear that one of them is lying.

Or one of them is lying more and worse.

But I'm curious about the sound issue that Owen's describing.

I'm sure that he's actually hearing some kind of weird interference, but considering this is his last full show, it's interesting that he's talking about them catching a rat live on air.

It's accidental poetry, Jordan.

Yeah, there's something to be said there.

Yeah.

Or maybe he was just like, man, this place is really shit now.

They have not done anything, and we're so covered with rats.

That's probably more.

Is that worse?

Think about it this way, right?

You can be embarrassed.

You can be cucked.

By Alex, by so many people.

You can be replaced by Chase Kaiser.

But man, if there's 15 rats around you, it's time to go.

Yeah, it's a sign.

But I also think that that is a perfect clip that I wouldn't think twice about if I just heard.

But because it's the last day,

his last full shift.

It is interesting.

It's just fun.

Here's what I don't like.

I don't like having to confront the possibility that he did not always know that Trump was lying.

Or that Trump was a liar.

No, I'm sure he knew.

Yeah.

I'm sure he understood.

That can't not be the case.

And And yet here we are.

I think he's lying.

Yeah.

What are you doing?

I think that he just

I have a funk.

I have a functioning theory.

Okay.

I think that he thought he had more clout than he did.

I think that he thought he could pull

some weight around.

He thought that Alex valued him a little bit more than he actually did.

Right.

He thought maybe he could

let the company line be the company line and step out and say what he wants to say.

Yeah, and do other things.

Differentiate himself.

Yeah, and I think that being second banana at Infowars made him feel like he might have value outside of the company.

Right.

Not realizing it's an artificial environment.

Right, right, right, right.

And so I think that's what got him in trouble.

And I think it might be part of what is allowing him to speak about...

like this freely on the show.

Not understanding that he's in Ceno Man and that the moment he gets outside of the ice, he's fucked.

Yeah, yeah okay so he's he's on the show and he he's mostly just doing the same stuff you would always expect

by the way I want to make another point about that young girl in Scotland

standing up for herself against the Muslim invaders

that of course they look at they look at Western nations as weak they're like wow you're just gonna let us come into your country and give us stuff for free well you're weak and pathetic are you gonna give us access to your daughters too

and then nobody stops him.

Tommy Robinson tries.

He goes to jail for years.

So now, this girl obviously knew this was going to happen.

That's why she brought a knife and a hatchet.

She knew it was going to happen.

Now, I'm going to put that down for a second.

I want to switch to the trucker issue coming up here in five minutes, but we are going to get back into that in a second here.

And then I kind of teased the situation going on at Fox,

which we've talked about before, but there's an interesting new development that might kind of,

it could actually shake things up a little bit there.

We'll have that coming up momentarily.

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Yeah.

So a lot of the first hour of this show is Owen being really critical of Israel.

He's far more able to directly criticize Netanyahu and the Israeli government than Alex, which is a stark difference between the two men's show.

Alex dances around the question of whether or not there's a genocide being carried out against the Palestinian people, and he throws smoke bombs into every conversation about like Mossad doing 9-11 or how Alex just doesn't want Palestinian refugees coming here.

Conversely, Owen's able to speak more directly to the actual news events like hospitals being bombed and things like that.

It makes him feel like he's doing radically different coverage than Alex, but he's actually doing mostly the same thing.

I would have just left this alone and not even pointed it out, but I felt like I would be lying by omission if I didn't call it out, because I think that there's going to be a lot of people in the far-right spaces that'll say that Owen got fired because he was too critical of Israel.

If Owen wants to give his future career a better chance at success, he'll play into that too.

That would be very smart of him.

This is categorically not the reason that he and Alex would not be able to work together anymore, though.

His coverage of Israel is a little less convoluted and all over the place than Alex's, but nothing he's saying is really that out of sync with what you hear on Infowars pretty regularly.

And that's kind of what that clip embodies.

It's kind of business as usual.

Owen's still doing his job and covering white victimhood narratives the way he's supposed to and whipping the audience into a little bit of an emotional state in order to transition to a sales pitch.

It's classic Infowar shit, and he clearly has no problem playing the games like he always has.

Let us give you $10,

please.

That was the most...

Listening to that.

One, made me feel like this man was talking to himself in the middle of...

Like, I feel like this is...

What makes the most sense for this type of stuff is for it to be on YouTube somewhere with like three views.

And maybe at the middle of the night, you find it and you stumble upon it.

You're like, does anybody even know about this guy?

This is so weird.

He's alone.

Why is he even doing this?

But instead, there's people,

right?

Like, that's strange.

But then to just be like, oh,

hey, give a $10 on us.

You know, he does a little on us kind of thing.

It's for nothing.

Yeah.

And you win a truck.

Exactly.

He He puts a little in there.

I mean, it's what Chase said on one of our recent episodes.

It's a tough pitch.

It is a tough pitch.

Going from white genocide over into, hey, you want a truck?

And $10 free dollars?

Sometimes I just want to see if people are doing okay and then go to the pitch.

So there's some talk about Kilmar Obrego Garcia.

Sure.

And the Trump administration has apparently, they failed to send him to El Salvador.

Or they did, and then he had to come back.

Right.

And now they want to send him to Uganda.

Sure.

Trump administration might deport Kilmar Obrego Garcia to Uganda.

Obrego Garcia detained by ICE as possible second deportation looms.

So he was due in court in Tennessee and then he turned himself in to ICE where they detained him and are now

threatening to send him to Uganda.

Yeah, you know for the 100 million foreigners that are here, I think it's just time to say,

you don't have to go home, but you can't stay here.

It's not personal.

You know.

It's not a personal thing, but we have to take care of our country.

So that's a pretty tough argument to defend without being pretty direct about white nationalism.

I think a lot of Owen's ability to say this kind of stuff depends on his use of that idiom, you don't have to go home, but you can't stay here.

he uses that expression to make what he's saying sound normal like it's just a common thing for someone to advocate you don't have to go home but you can't stay here is an expression that's used by bouncers to kick people out of bars at the end of the night yeah this is a scenario where the bar is closing and everyone is going home the staff needs to get everyone out because they have to clean up and then they go home themselves no one is staying here so the expression you don't have to go home but you can't stay here is meant to be a playful way of saying our part in your night is is over.

The law says we can't serve alcohol past a certain hour and our business only exists to sell you alcohol so goodbye.

The situation Owen is describing is very different.

He's saying that foreigners can't stay here whereas other people are going to be able to continue to stay here.

The bar isn't closing but some people aren't welcome anymore.

Also, the bar isn't kicking people out, it's shipping them off to various other places.

This bar is talking about sending someone to Uganda for no reason.

What Owen is actually saying is that he's abandoned the pretense of caring where immigrants are sent when they're deported and no longer cares if they're treated as humans.

Previously, they tried to pretend that it was important that people go back to the countries where their families are from, but now he doesn't even care to try and make it look like that matters.

Abrego Garcia was sent to El Salvador, which was illegal because he'd fled from El Salvador as a child.

And the US government had stipulated that he couldn't be sent back there without putting him in danger.

They just wouldn't allow it.

So when the Trump administration sent him to a prison in El El Salvador, they were forced to bring him back to the United States, which is a bit embarrassing.

And now there's talk of sending him to Uganda.

Owen's trying to dress this up with a folksy aphorism, but this isn't anything like a bar telling customers they need to get out because they're closing.

This is a targeted discharge of certain customers while the bar remains open, where the bar isn't just letting them out into the street to go home if they like, but sending them to Africa for no reason.

It's bullshit.

I mean, listen,

I understand all of that, but I'm frustrated because,

and I hate to say this, I feel like the appropriate thing to say is, you don't have to go home, but Uganda Go.

Yeah.

That's right there.

Well, it's right there.

Yeah.

It makes me frustrated that I can't focus on anything else until Uganda Go is available to me.

It's very frustrating.

What?

Okay.

But Uganda go.

Okay.

It just works.

It's just right there.

This is a tough question I need to ask, and

you have to be brave in your response.

Let's say that you're 100% opposed to Trump's immigration policies right now.

Sure.

If he just started winking and saying, Uganda go and sending people randomly to Uganda.

Right.

What percentage would it shift?

What percentage would it shift?

Would you get to be like 98% against?

I mean,

listen, playfulness counts for a lot more than you might think.

Wow.

You just want to wake in a pun.

I mean, it would be nice if he said you got to stay, but if you got to go, you got to go.

Terrible.

So it turns out that Owen has a way that we could just not do these deportations then.

Right.

Wait, how are we doing that?

Quiz show.

Teleportation?

They don't know what to do about that deal.

Oh, we should protest him.

We should not protest him.

He's got a history of beating his wife.

He's got gang tattoos everywhere.

Oh, my gosh.

He's just a Maryland father.

Oh,

Uganda.

Uganda.

I'll tell you what, Liberal.

This would be fun.

All right.

I'll tell you what, Liberal.

I love this guy so much.

All right.

Come on over here.

Come here.

In fact, I got a world map behind me.

I got a world map over here.

Okay.

Show me, liberal.

Show me Uganda on a map.

And if you can do that,

we'll let Kilmar Obrego Garcia stay with you.

That'll be a little gift for you.

Okay.

What?

So that clip feels like Owen in a really deep way.

It's so dumb in a very specific style that I can only describe as Schroer-esque.

Yeah.

He's trying to be funny, and I guess the ultimate point he's making is that liberals don't know where Uganda is on a map, and that's fun.

I suppose.

That's good and well.

If that's the point.

But in order to make this point, Owen has to say that if you can point to Uganda on a map, then a Brego Garcia can stay with you.

What?

What kind of immigration policy is that?

If liberals just study basic geography, then all these people you think are so dangerous can stay in the country?

It's stupid.

Yeah.

But what's going on here is that Owen has married two aspects of right-wing entertainment into a really bad combination.

This is one-part Infowars host blowing hard and one part confrontational debate guy on a college campus.

Sure.

The confrontational debate guy does stuff like force the person they're debating to point to Uganda on a map because if they can't, then they look dumb and weak.

Sure.

It's a tactic that relies on there being someone else there to humiliate and when it works, you can use that to mask weak arguments that you're putting forth.

The InfoWars host blowing hard is the voice that's trying to come up with a way to say, hey liberals, you don't want this dangerous person staying with you.

This is a tactic that's best used solo, because if you make this point to the wrong person and they say, I have no no problem with someone like Abrego Garcia staying in my home, now you look weak.

Owen is trying to use this debate guy trick to dress up his InfoWars host point, and it just comes out looking like shit, because neither game is being played correctly.

There's no one there to fail to point out Uganda, so you can't dunk on anybody, and the idea that if someone can point to Uganda on a map, then these immigrants can stay, it makes it seem like you really aren't that worried about the danger these people represent.

It trivializes what's supposed to be a very important fear that is behind the infowar.

Owen sucks, and I think that this clip is a great representation of why.

He's just not very good at any of this.

And his teacher and mentor for the past almost decade has been Alex, a man whose only gifts are things that can't be taught.

You can't.

You have to be traumatized into being Alex.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Is it possible?

that Owen has just finally like Alex was just okay.

how about this Alex is like fuck it you know they're gonna close the whole thing down anyways I won't have to worry about any of this but then he watches this show and he listens to that and he goes you know what

he's fired I can't deal with this shit anymore that sucks you know what I think that sucked yes I think I think that's possible if Alex cared ugh like I think that if you were in Alex's position and you're like, I have some standards.

I got to mine the store here.

This is ridiculous.

Right.

Then you would probably fire him.

But he's the other guy at a one-talent business.

So the guy who's the one talent doesn't really care if this person's doing a good job or is funny or whatever.

He just needs to be alive.

Yeah.

Jesus.

Okay.

How do we punch this up?

I can't.

No.

This is the worst thing I've ever heard in my entire life.

I refuse to take this on as a commission.

If you can point to Uganda, then he can stay with you.

All right.

Am I being insulted here, or is this a bet?

Well,

it's just a bad joke.

Is it a joke?

Well, I guess it would be a bet if there were someone there to either correctly or incorrectly point to Uganda.

Right, right, right, right.

He's betting that the other person wouldn't be able to, and then he can laugh at them.

Right, so I'm not insulted yet.

Yeah.

Which is a problem for an insult.

It's gambling on an insult.

Right.

but you gotta you gotta follow it up with something that will like, you know, spices me, you know, that gets me in the gut.

Yeah.

Yeah, but also if you know for it to work as a joke, it doesn't really have much punch behind it.

No, because like what about

me knowing where Uganda is, what does that have to do with whether or not it's appropriate for Trump to deport someone to a random country that they're not from and they have no connection to?

Right.

Or for it to somehow be a massive negative for them to stay with with me.

Yeah.

I mean, it's just, it's incomprehensible, but

it has the sound and cadence of what they're supposed to sound like, which again is why Odin sucks.

Yeah.

Maybe he just got fired for sucking.

I mean, look, if so, it's overdue.

Owen's razor.

Ah?

Yeah.

All right.

Well, you should shave.

He shaved.

He has shaved in the past.

So he is scared.

He's a scared man who thinks that the United States is a war zone.

Right.

And therefore, we kind of got to have a police state.

Well, a Ukrainian refugee was here.

I support this.

I will admit it.

This is very selfish of me, but can you blame me?

I'm only a man.

Irena Zarutska.

If only she was somewhere else.

Ukrainian refugee, 23 years old, who fled war for safer life in the United States.

Knife to death

by homeless career criminal in North Carolina.

To be clear, I think Owen's saying that he supports an attractive Ukrainian woman being here because she's attractive and he's a man, not her being murdered.

Right.

I don't think that he's saying that he's in favor of murdering her.

Right, right, right.

She's a refugee.

But again, he sucks so much, there's ambivalence there.

He phrased it so poorly that it almost sounds like he's in favor of her murder.

Yeah, yeah.

I believe six previous arrests is what I had seen.

Six

previous arrests, and this woman is stabbed to death.

Now,

this isn't really ironic.

You say, oh, she leaves a war zone to get stabbed to death in America.

No,

that's not really irony, folks.

You know what that is?

That's, we are in a war zone.

What?

Oh, my gosh.

It's crazy to hear.

Yeah, that is a little disturbing.

That is a little controversial, even, but hold on a second.

Guys, pull up.

How many homicides are there in the United States

every year?

We're talking about just

gun violence, knife violence.

I mean, you're talking thousands.

You're in the thousands.

I don't know.

I don't even remember.

I don't even know if I sent the videos to the crew.

I mean, folks, whatever is going on in Chicago right now is

crazy.

Crazy.

So, no, it's not ironic

that this young Ukrainian woman leaves a war zone to die in America.

No,

that's the reality.

You're not safe in a lot of these Democrat cities.

You're not safe.

So it's like, I don't like seeing the military on the streets, but guess what?

There hasn't been a murder.

In Washington, D.C.

So, if the U.S.

is a war zone, what does that mean?

Like, who who qualifies as a combatant in Owen's mind?

And, more importantly, is Owen willing to take responsibility for the kind of thing that he's breaching here?

If the U.S.

is a war zone, then certain laws certainly don't apply.

And

his audience should be able to kill people because it's a war.

Oh, right.

So, when I think of war

beaches,

I'm thinking of Normandy.

Right.

I'm thinking of issue is

there's too many people firing guns at you while you're trying to enjoy the beach.

Not enjoy it, but you know,

get over it, right?

Now, yesterday was Labor Day.

Yep.

And I want to say that the beaches were as covered with joyful people as maybe I've ever seen them.

You didn't see that saving private Ryan scene happening on Michigan?

No,

there were so many people riding bicycles in the bike lanes, waving at each other, wearing those hats with the little thing that goes on.

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, and they're going,

yeah, the problem is that you didn't go to the dog beach.

Right.

That was a bloodbath.

The dog beach was a bloodbath?

Oh, but well,

if somebody tried to hurt the dogs, it would be a bloodbath.

No, the dogs started it.

Oh, well, you know, then they probably had a good reason.

That's why we need

federal kennels or something.

Dog 100%.

So Owen should take a real hard look in the mirror about that thing he said about how it's hard to see troops on the street, but there's no murders in D.C.

The first problem is that's not true.

There have been murders in D.C., and incident-based crime reporting is never accurate up to the date.

So experts caution not to be so sure about whatever numbers you see for at least about six weeks.

Even so, there have still been violent crimes and even murders in D.C.

while Trump's been doing this.

I mean, obviously.

But leaving that aside, am I to take away from this a belief that the police state is acceptable if crime is lower?

A fundamental pillar of Infowar's ideology has been breached, but it worked to lower the crime rates, so maybe maybe it's good.

Does Owen really expect anyone to believe that this is his sincere position?

He's worked at Infowars for almost a decade, and they almost declared independence from the United States because of DUI checkpoints while Obama was in office.

Right.

So I'm going to impolitely decline to take this seriously.

Right.

This is some bullshit.

Like, okay, so if you actually wanted to lower quote-unquote crime

by increasing the military presence there, then maybe you just assign one guy per person.

And if anybody's like, man, maybe I'm going to steal this car, that guy can be like, no.

Is that where we're at?

Yeah, sure.

I mean, because I see no way that the military being there can stop somebody from being in an alley somewhere

in the alley.

Well, but what if they're not in the alley?

That's why they need drones.

One-to-one, everybody gets a drone.

Yeah.

And there is always a drone watching you.

I can't see anything wrong with this.

Dalek with a gun.

Dalek with the...

We're back.

Yep.

We're back in business, baby.

Everybody's assigned to Dalek with a gun.

Finally, we have a good idea.

Yep.

So, Owen, I think he kind of likes the police state.

Weird.

Yeah, what a dick.

Option one is to

continue as normal.

You're in the wrong place at the wrong time in the wrong city.

You might get stomped out.

You might get beaten out on the streets and robbed.

You'll be lucky if you can escape with your life.

You might get stabbed.

You might get shot.

Again, I can't even, this stuff is so insane right now.

I don't even know what I end up sending the crew and what I don't.

But I mean, crazy videos on the New York City subway, all this stuff happening in Chicago.

So, okay, one option.

Just continue as it is.

You're in one of these big blue cities.

You're, who knows?

Be careful out there.

You can't carry, by the way.

Okay.

Option two.

This is what we see the Trump administration doing.

Let's send in the military.

Let's militarize the streets

and let's show that you can stop crime.

So you can put up a fight about it.

You can say, I don't want to see this military in my streets.

I don't want to see the American military turned in word to the U.S.

cities.

It's like, okay,

reasonable.

Zero murders in D.C.

And most of the D.C.

residents support it.

So I say, okay, you know what?

Not my city.

I don't really like it.

I don't like that it's come to this, but it's worked.

The D.C.

people like it.

So, all right.

Good job.

Good job.

Wow.

So to be totally clear, there is a third option that he eventually gets around to that he supports even more

than these other two.

And that is make sure that everybody's got guns and everybody knows that if you shoot somebody, it's cool.

Like, if you feel threatened threatened by somebody and you shoot them in self-defense, you're not going to get prosecuted for that.

Right.

So just make sure that everyone knows that they can shoot people.

Right.

Vigilante stuff.

Right, right, right, right.

But doesn't that eliminate the need for the military?

Because everybody's got guns.

Yeah, yeah, that would be the third option.

Right.

That's what I'm saying.

So let people continue to be the victims of crimes.

Right.

Militarize the streets.

Right.

Or

make sure everyone has guns and let them go.

Right.

Vigilante shit.

I mean, you do understand, right, that if you make the argument that everybody should have guns, you are also making the argument equally that everybody should not have guns because the argument is the everybody part.

If everybody is equal, then we don't need guns.

Yeah, it's, you know, it's the dumb thing where they,

I don't know, Alex has expressed this in the past, and I'm sure Owen feels it in some ways, that like, If everybody's armed, then chivalry is guaranteed because everyone will be like, if I fight you, I might get shot.

So everyone will treat each other nicely because of the fear of being killed.

Right.

So everybody could also treat each other nicely if you removed that fear.

That's true.

Right.

Because it's the fear that is.

Yeah, but tyranny.

But see, now we're in tyranny because of them.

Yeah, I know it looks bad.

They're fair enough.

But if DC is happy and there's no murders, then I guess all the things I've ever believed or said are a lie.

lie.

This is so goddamn pathetic that I can't imagine being someone who works at Infowars saying something like that and not committing SEPACU.

Yeah.

You're doing the thing that you've always said your enemies are going to do.

Make excuses for why expansion of police state powers are justified by scary circumstances.

You're doing the devil's work by your own definition.

Add on top of this the fact that the feds in D.C.

have not been successful in dramatically reducing crime, but Trump has lied to say that it has worked.

On top of that, D.C.

residents are not in favor of the feds being there, but Trump has lied and said that they are.

Owen is justifying Trump's expansion of his powers by repeating two lies Trump has told, so he's once again being a fucking puppet.

According to a CNN poll, 79% of respondents in D.C.

opposed Trump's actions in terms of federalizing the police and using the National Guard.

61% said that they felt less safe as a result of Trump's actions, so Owen trying to wash his hands of supporting this by claiming the locals like it, it's a special kind of disgusting.

But really, think about this.

If what Owen is saying were true, why should he have any problem with the idea of like Wisconsin banning guns?

If it lowered the crime rate and the public supported it, it seems like his take should be that it's hard to see, but good for them, right?

Exactly.

He should.

Well, I mean,

the other thing is essentially that the military being called and placed inside there is a de facto gun grab because

yeah, guns are being confiscated.

Right.

And they will be even more so if they want to.

They're the military.

Yeah, it is the rule that they get to shoot you and you can't shoot back.

That's the rule, right?

Yeah.

The thing that these dipshits can't get into their heads is that supporting this makes it so they really can't defend anything anymore.

If acceptance of the federal government operating as a police state is conditional, then none of their positions mean anything, and no one has an obligation to take anything seriously.

It's made it as it's really put me even into a little bit of a tailspin because, like, why care about

why take any of these words seriously?

Like, and it, and it frustrates me to no end still further that when you say, like, 81% of residents are against it, the other 19% aren't against.

You know, they're not for it.

They're just responding to you like an asshole.

Because

this is the way they respond.

If you, like, remove the politics from it and just go, there's going to be a bunch of guys with AKs right outside your fucking door all day, every day.

They're like, ah, maybe I should not have that.

I think some number of people would still be for it, but like, it wouldn't be

100 minus the people who are against it.

Right.

It wouldn't be a clean either or the other, but I bet there is some number.

Well, hey, what are you going to do?

Right.

Yeah.

But, you know, those numbers are always skewed by the fact that those people don't think they're the ones who are going to get military.

Yeah.

You know?

And some of them might be joking.

Yeah, absolutely.

Hey, why not?

I want a little military.

Yeah.

So this is the last day that Owen hosted the entirety of his show, The War Room.

So I was kind of surprised to find that it's kind of just InfoWard shit.

There's nothing in here that really seemed like it would be a good reason for these two guys to have split up.

Owen ends the show by saying that he was hosting Alex's show the next day, and he does end up doing that.

That ends up happening.

Most of the show is about the Minneapolis shooting and Alex desperately trying to identify the shooter and blame it on them being trans.

Right.

Alex calls in from his car and takes over a bit of the show along with his new big-time FBI whistleblower Kyle Serafin.

And they're just chomping at the bit to ID this shooter.

And you can see Owen is uncomfortable.

Yeah.

I don't have any clips of this because it's kind of hard to convey through audio, but when I was watching Owen's face, it became clear to me that he was realizing in the moment that they were doing Sandy Hook shit all over again.

They were doing Mauricio Garcia all over again.

Owen was hosting Alex's show, and Alex was butting in to cover details that were possibly sketchy and if this goes wrong, Owen might end up getting sued again.

He's already given two depositions where he had to admit that he passed along defamatory information because he didn't vet the stuff he was allowing on his show so this has to feel like a potential third strike of the exact same thing.

It'd be hard to imagine yourself not experiencing a solid amount of deja vu.

Yeah.

Owen looks flustered and maybe even a little bit pissed off, but it's hard to tell exactly what's going on in his head.

If I were him after the second lawsuit, I would have told Alex that I'll keep working here because no one else is going to hire me, but I need you to stop creating situations where I'm totally going to get sued.

Rushing identification of shooters has been a real problem for Infowars in the past, and Alex can't resist taking this chance again.

And it's for nothing.

No one is going to remember who went to print first with the shooter was trans story.

Nope.

No one's fighting over a Pulitzer here.

This is pointless.

Nope.

Honestly, I wouldn't blame Owen if that was his reason for quitting.

It's disrespectful, and it drives home how he's just another talent at a one-talent business, which is to say that he means nothing.

Yep.

So that was on Wednesday, August 27th, and Owen hosted half of the war room on Thursday.

But from all appearances, it was just another plain-ass episode of the show.

He was there, then Alex popped in and said Owen had to leave for a family emergency, and then the cuck destroyer was gone.

Right.

Reappearing on Labor Day

to do a live stream discussing how he'd quit at InfoWars.

A live.

Okay, so it wasn't on InfoWars.

No.

Oh.

God, that would have been so much better.

Well, he discusses how much he wanted to do that.

Well, then you suck even more.

And it means you got fired.

If you were cool, you would have done it.

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

Yeah.

Yeah, he definitely got fired.

So I will say that I think that the stream was way too long.

Oh,

who could have imagined?

It was just over five hours long,

which is too much, Owen, and it's fucking repetitive.

And, you know, there's a couple things that are clearly like things he wants to brand himself as and little like catchphrases and stuff

that are getting repeated.

But, like,

I don't know.

He had no business going five hours.

Five hours of Owen Schroer.

I paid mostly attention for about the first four hours, and then

shit fell apart a a little bit.

How?

How do you make it that long?

I don't know.

I mean, it's just a miracle.

I think morbid curiosity.

Do you remember when we were on that?

Remember the last time I listened to Russell Brand, right?

And I made it through about 15 seconds of it before I started shouting.

I can't imagine making it through four hours of Owen Schroyer.

Yeah.

Unleashed.

Good.

Good.

They took it off.

I can't even handle zero seconds of Owen Schroyer's live stream right now.

Yeah, well, unfortunately, you're going to get a bit.

Shit.

So I was looking for pieces of like, what are the indications?

Before I listened to Owen's explanation for why he got fired or quit,

before I listened to this live stream, you know, watching his show, the content seems largely like, okay, he's saying that Trump is going fascist, but he also isn't super anti-fascist.

So like, that's not that bad.

Right.

Trump's lying, but yeah, so what?

I guess.

That's not a deal breaker for them.

We kind of know that he's lying all the time anyways.

Yeah.

He's doing the ads pitches just like everyone else and like he always has.

He's talking about how you get 10 free dollars.

It's embarrassing.

Yeah.

I could not tell what the fuck was going on.

Yeah.

And the only thing that stuck out in my head was this, like,

Maybe he looked uncomfortable during the shooter identification thing.

I mean, maybe that was the only thing I had to work on.

That would be a moment where I would feel like

the appropriate response, even if you're an actual news anchor type person, is to say, fuck this.

From a self-preservation standpoint.

Yeah, absolutely.

Just from a literal, like, this is what needs to happen.

I am willing to embarrass myself on television to say, fuck this.

This cannot happen.

You know, that's the appropriate thing to do.

If this keeps happening and my

ability to control the content that I'm associated with

is abused like this,

I could ruin the rest of my life.

One billion dollars isn't enough to shut you the fuck up about shootings.

Well,

Owen's not on the hook for that, and Alex has created fake businesses.

Yeah, well, there's it.

Nobody's on the hook for that.

So

I was really interested to see what Owen had to say and how this all went because as much as I felt like that was a possible thing that he was feeling, it also was entirely possible that I was just projecting all that.

Sure.

So, like, who knows?

Yeah, I mean, they're all psychos.

Yeah.

So, Owen starts off his stream and

he throws it to a song.

Oh, God.

I'm going to break it all down.

I feel I owe you an explanation of what's been happening.

I'm going to let people get caught up before I really get into the juice here.

But

let you know it's official.

I am now done at Infowars, and I'm going to let you know why coming up in

just a minute.

First fuel hemorrhage, because why not?

Memories are just waiting down.

Leave light breeding in my head.

Sounds like somebody who quit.

Sounds like somebody who broke up with the relationship on their own.

He ends the show playing another fuel song, Bittersweet, that is also a little bit...

Oh, boy.

So Owen's going to learn a tough lesson if he continues with this show, and that is that he can't play full songs without permission.

He's going to get DMCA strikes against his content, which can lead to these shows being taken off whatever's hosting the episodes.

He doesn't have the shield of whatever radio licensing contracts Infowars had to use songs as bumper music.

But even still, he plays the whole song.

Like, I hope he doesn't plan on trying to sell ads because if you have a copyright strike on an episode that ends up going down,

you're not getting the ad revenue from whatever that episode is.

You might get sued for failure to fulfill your advertising obligation.

I appreciate not understanding ASCAP licensing from a fucking radio host.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, he's worked at Infowars for 10 years.

Yeah, no, that's fair.

Maybe he genuinely thinks that they steal it.

Like, does he not realize that there's a reason that, like, on the InfoWars official streams that are on the radio, like, or on the internet, they don't have

most of the theme music?

Of course.

He can't afford it.

Of course.

He doesn't have those rights.

It's ridiculous.

Anyway, Owen comes back from fuel

and he explains.

He's got fire.

He's got desire, etc.

He has a desire to explain why he's here tonight.

And it's because he had a bad phone call with Alex.

Why I am done at InfoWars.

Now,

there's a reason why I'm doing this tonight.

There's a reason why I have to do this tonight, and I'm going to explain it all

because that's what you deserve as my audience, as people who have financially supported me over the years.

You have prayed for me, as people that sent me letters when I was in prison, just

all of it.

You know, I'm grateful for my audience.

I consider myself extremely blessed.

And quite frankly, I consider myself extremely blessed for my time at InfoWars.

And I'm sorry that it had to end so abruptly, if you want to say that.

But about an hour ago, I got off the phone with Alex, and

that was it.

That was it.

It was a bad call.

It was a bad call.

It was a bad phone call.

Hey, listen, I've been fired in very similar ways.

Yeah.

Yep.

This phone call was terse, it sounds like.

Yep.

And ends with Alex saying, don't come back.

We don't need you.

That's fair.

That's fair.

You know,

I suppose that's maybe better than an email, but maybe not.

It's close.

Yeah.

So, well, actually, I think

I don't know what you could expect in an email from Alex.

I would appreciate an email from Alex that was just like, hey, don't come into work tomorrow.

Just made-up words, misspellings.

It'd be chaos.

So you might accidentally think you're getting a raid.

That's also possible.

The wingdings function.

Yeah.

Owen did not want it to go this way.

This isn't what he planned.

And it's very unfortunate because he really tried.

Just to be perfectly clear,

this is not how I wanted it to be.

I want to be perfectly clear about something, and I'll explain this in a little more detail.

I did not want it to go this way.

Okay?

I tried everything.

I tried everything so that it wouldn't go this way.

But I am left with no choice but to come on here tonight and make the announcement.

He didn't want to do this, but he's here.

He's doing it against, like, it's not what he wanted.

He's using a lot of words that suggest he was not in charge of the decisions.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I think that sometimes people present things that way because they're, uh, they want to kind of

excuse what they're doing.

Like maybe they're about to go real low and say some dirty shit.

Absolutely.

And they're like, I didn't want to go this way.

It wasn't my fault.

I didn't choose to to get here.

Yeah.

Some people might go that way, use this language that way.

Right.

But another reason you would use it is if you are entirely powerless and you are backed into a corner.

Yep, absolutely.

And that's kind of what this feels like.

It was either this or he was going to paint a target on my back and throw strawberries at it.

So I finally decided to leave.

Yeah.

So a new piece of information that we get is that there's a reason that he only did half of his show on Thursday.

And that is because he left.

Oh.

You may have noticed I've been taking a lot more time off.

Specifically, you may have noticed how on Thursday I walked off the show mid-show, about an hour into the show.

And just so you understand what happened, and if you watched the InfoWars War Room, you've seen this before, so it's not like it's anything new, but

you know, Alex was disrupting the show, and he wanted me to cover something, and he wanted me to get a guest on.

I'm in the middle of of the show while it's going on, as you see so many times,

and it just didn't go well.

I kind of just reached my point of no return and so I just walked off the studio.

Now I will say it was a little

upsetting to me that he went on and said that I had a family emergency.

I did not have a family emergency.

There was no family emergency.

I didn't appreciate people reaching out to me thinking that something bad had happened, happened, including my own parents.

So there was no family emergency.

I walked off the show.

That's fucked up.

Yeah, that's funny.

So Owen hosted his show on Tuesday, which we listened to a bit of, but then took Wednesday off, probably because he was hosting Alex's show.

Then on Thursday, he was doing his own show and he stormed out about halfway through.

I watched the incident and it's not interesting at all.

When Alex leaves the show, he leaves the show.

He makes an impression.

In this case, Owen went to break, some videos played, and then Alex appeared at the desk lying about Owen having a family emergency.

It's so funny.

It's notable that Owen is saying that Alex was trying to pop in and control the topic he was covering and telling him he had to feature a specific guest.

As soon as Alex gets into the studio, he's covering that same shooter with his super credible FBI whistleblower friend, Kyle Seraphim.

The day prior, you could see and feel a discomfort in Owen as Alex was forcing his way onto the Alex Jones show to identify a mass shooter with Kyle.

And now Alex is doing that to Owen on Owen's own show.

I'm certain that this is a piece of the puzzle because Alex being annoying and disruptive is something that Owen obviously dealt with every day, but it's not every day that Alex is demanding he engage in the same behaviors that have led to humiliations in multiple depositions.

An added layer to this is that Alex is preempting Owen's show and demanding that they interview Kyle Seraphin, and that means that whatever Owen was planning to do has to go on the back burner.

That segment of the show that day was supposed to be an interview about January 6th defendants not getting enough support from Trump, and the guest was former Proud Boy leader Enrique Tario.

You can see how this is possibly an important type of interview for Owen.

It's not every day that you're interviewing a guy who tried to overthrow a country about how he and his friends aren't being treated nicely enough by the president who they tried to do a coup for.

It's a

moment.

You know,

it is a question of of what have you done for me lately?

Right?

Because you pardon somebody, you figure, like Roger Stone, you got them in your back pocket till both of you die.

Yeah.

Yeah.

These people.

No loyalty.

No.

None.

They are ungrateful.

They are ungrateful and petty.

And the fact that fucking Owen Schroer is going to look you in the eye and say, Alex Jones said something on his show that was not true makes me very unhappy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

About me.

If Owen is being sincere about what happened and all this shit, then I wholly understand quitting over that.

Alex is being disrespectful as hell, but I don't get the feeling that this is an uncommon thing at Infowars.

I still think some piece is missing to this story that can explain the why-now of it all.

Yeah.

Like, it doesn't make sense.

Yeah.

Also, I just think that lying about a family emergency, like, it really reveals how easily Alex lies.

Oh, yeah.

And that should worry everyone.

Oh, boy.

So, Owen left.

That's fun.

That's fun.

But also,

I mean...

But is that quitting?

If you're going to do it,

do it.

You know what I mean?

Like, if you're going to walk off, walk the fuck off.

Don't like slink away.

Do it, Alex style.

Yeah, if you're going to Irish goodbye, that's to keep the people there from having to do a whole thing and you just kind of get out of there.

If you're going to walk off a show, that's part of your show, you know?

But is it quitting?

I think it's quitting.

I'd say it's quitting.

I think if I walked out of a job,

I'm not coming back.

I think it's damn close to convey.

It sends the message that if someone got the message, hey, I have quit from that,

you wouldn't blame them for that.

No, I'd be like, yeah, absolutely.

But Owen wanted to come back to work this week.

What?

My intention was to go back this week.

And I made that intention

perfectly clear to Alex an hour ago.

Now, I wanted to meet with Alex in

the office tomorrow, and I told him that.

I told him that last week after I left the studio, he texted me, and I said, Alex, let's talk next week.

I said, I don't want to talk about it now.

I'm done for the week.

Let's talk next week.

We communicated a little over the weekend.

And then today I said, let's meet.

Let's have a meeting tomorrow before your show, whenever you want.

Let's meet tomorrow before your show.

And maybe we can talk this out, work it out.

And he said, no, let's just, let's just talk now.

And so he called me.

That's cold-blooded.

Yeah.

I remember one of the times that I got fired from the theater I worked at, and the manager called me into the office.

I was going to sit down.

He said, you're not going to need that chair.

And this has the same energy.

Yeah.

Straight up.

Yep.

We don't need to meet up.

Let's just talk on the phone.

This isn't going to take long.

Yep.

As Owen keeps talking, I find it a little harder to defend how he handled this.

If he quit on Thursday when he walked out, that's fine.

But he walked out in the middle of his show and then decided he wasn't coming in on Friday, telling his boss that they'd talk about it next week.

I think that Owen probably felt like he had the sway to pull off a power move like that and score himself a long Labor Day weekend, but he learned the hard way that he isn't important at Infowars.

If he doesn't like his job, there are plenty of racist dipshits on Twitter who would love to play dress up and pretend to be on the news.

Now, I think this is actually kind of funny, especially because he's doing the stream on Labor Day.

He thought that the value of his labor was enough that his boss would let him take a mental health day, and he found out that his labor is very replaceable.

Too bad there's not a liars union.

Otherwise, maybe he could have been protected from this.

It is unfortunate.

It is unfortunate.

I mean, on the other hand, you know, I was thinking about it, and when I got fired at the coupon place, the guy waited until I got into work and then was like, hey, you're fired, right?

And I was like, man, I wish you would have called me before I took the train down here.

Sure.

That was an easy thing to skip, right?

So, in a way, I appreciate Alex for letting him know, don't come into work tomorrow.

I'm saving you a trip.

I think sometimes in some of those corporate environments

where there may be like passcodes and keys and stuff like that,

then they might really want to get you there so they can take surreptitiously

under false pretenses.

Make sure that you don't have a way to get back in.

That's fair.

That's fair.

I know that was definitely the case at some places I've worked.

I mean, you know, but I feel like InfoWars, they've got guns.

You probably can't get back in if they don't want you to.

Owen's clearly not going back.

Yeah, I wouldn't go back.

But he wanted to finish the week.

He wanted to work this week.

What a silly idiot.

He wanted to come back after Labor Day on Tuesday, talk to Alex, chop it up, and finish this thing.

What a child.

And I wanted to finish this week, and I wanted to finish positively at InfoWars.

And

I even said if he wanted me to kind of stick around like a satellite to go down with the ship, that I'd be willing to play some sort of a satellite role to go down with the ship and be a part of that and continue, you know,

wearing the name on the front of the jersey for at least some semblance while it's still ongoing.

And he didn't express any interest in that.

What?

And so he told me that he didn't need me and good luck.

And that was that.

Yeah, that is that.

Yeah, that's the all of those things are probably pretty accurate.

It's got a sting.

Owen was offering to do free publicity for Alex while InfoWars is sinking and Alex wasn't interested.

I would describe that as begging.

Isn't that what it is?

Would you describe that as begging?

No.

Yes.

Okay.

Okay.

It is.

Yeah.

But it's...

The way he's describing it, Owen is very invested in not making it appear that he's not.

Right, right, right, right.

But if I heard somebody say that and I sent it through my what did somebody actually mean machine, it sounds like I begged him to stay.

I had some reasons that I wanted things to go one particular way, and he was not interested in that.

Yeah, so I begged him to continue paying me while I didn't really work here.

And he said he didn't need me.

Well,

turns out.

Yeah.

So I think that Owen's like, ah, man, I hope Alex is real classy about this.

Which

fucking bet he will be.

I don't know how Alex wants to handle it.

Honestly, I hope that he just doesn't talk about it at all.

And people might view that as like a bad thing or a negative thing.

I don't think so.

If he wants to just sever ties and just move on like that, I have no problem with it.

So I don't, you know, I hope he doesn't make a thing of it.

I hope he's fine.

He can bring in whoever he wants to host it or shut it down.

I don't really care.

You know, I don't have anything negative to to say about Alex.

This is not

about.

I have nothing but

respect and appreciation

for Alex and everything that we've done at Infowars.

I'm not sure that was mutual.

Doesn't really matter.

It wasn't.

I think the only thing you can safely bet on here is that Alex isn't going to say nothing.

And the fact that Owen is saying that he hopes Alex will just move on seems insane.

It feels like he would only be doing that either to claim the high ground in the likely event of a fight or to signal to Alex that he's not going to spill the beans on anything.

So Alex shouldn't feel the need to reveal anything too damaging he might know about it.

Right, right, right.

We don't need to take each other out.

Right.

Right.

Because at the end of us taking each other out, I am taken out and you're pretty much exactly the same.

Yeah.

So please don't let us take each other out.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

You're an embarrassing monster who screams about demons all the time and thinks sci-fi movies are real.

Yeah.

I don't think that I have anything that's going to stick.

Nope.

No, no, no, no, no.

Hey, you know what?

He was a bad boss.

No shit.

How about that?

So Owen starts to talk about what preceded this.

Sure.

This Thursday blow-up.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And it turns out that for a little while, Alex had been being a bit of a dick to him.

A bit of a bit of a bad.

For about 10, 12 years?

Yeah, about the time he'd worked.

But especially lately, he's been too negative.

Right.

And too anti-Trump.

Owen has been too negative and too anti-Trump.

Gotcha.

So we're at an ideological crossroads.

Yeah, and so Alex managed to gaslight him into thinking that that was his fault.

But, you know, kind of to give you the longer form

situation, you probably noticed

that

I had not been hosting the war room a lot this month.

And, you know, Alex had been coming into my show and talking about how I'm negative and calling me a pessimist and all this other stuff, which is, which is fine.

You work for Alex.

You're going to get hit with it a lot.

Alex is not easy to work for, and that's fine.

You know, that's okay.

That's it.

But,

okay, he says I'm too negative.

He says I'm a pessimist, whatever.

I'm too anti-Trump.

So I just said, all right, you know what?

I'll just take some time off.

I'll just disappear.

And

if

Alex thinks I'm too negative, then maybe he's right.

Maybe he's right.

Maybe I'm too negative now.

Maybe I'm too much of a pessimist now.

Maybe I'm too anti-Trump now.

Whatever his issue was when he kept coming in the show, telling me I'm too negative, saying I'm a pessimist on his show.

I said, okay, maybe he's right.

I'll take some time off.

I'll blow off some steam.

I'll just get out of the ring for a week.

And, you know, maybe I'll come back a little more positive.

And, you know, maybe there was a level of reality to that.

And I think I did come back more positive.

But

the same issues that I had started up immediately as soon as I came back.

No shit.

Yeah.

So Owen's describing two different problems here.

The first is Alex being super annoying and hard to work for.

That's no big deal and has been the case the whole time that Owens worked there.

It seems to me like Owen could probably handle that or else he wouldn't have lasted almost a decade.

So I don't believe annoyance is a good reason for this breakdown.

The second issue is about Alex trying to sway Owen's coverage of certain topics, saying he's too negative and anti-Trump.

Owen was able to gaslight himself into thinking that maybe Alex is right and it's a problem that he's having that he's too pessimistic.

So he took a week off to clear his head.

He comes back and the same problem is waiting there for him.

The problem is that Trump sucks and Owen gets called negative and pessimistic when he calls out the elephant in the room because Alex can't handle it.

But it feels like this has to have been happening the whole time Owen was there too.

Right?

So I don't get this as an explanation for ending the employment now.

There's a part of me that hears these explanations, and I can't help but think this has to be financial.

Alex couldn't convince Big Lee to pay Owen enough for him to put up with this shit anymore, and he thinks he can find a better salary elsewhere.

Like, that's the explanation that makes the most sense.

Sure.

I don't, I, you know, I don't have any re I don't have any documents to back that up or anything.

Possible.

What Owen's offering me isn't making a lot of sense.

If Owen believes his prospects for money are greater, then Owen has a difficult relationship with reality.

I will say, without tipping my hand on where things go, I think Owen thinks his capacity for earnings is unlimited.

That's no good.

No.

He should think that it is very limited.

Perhaps some of the more limited capacity that's ever been.

I think he imagines that he will be one of the most successful people on the planet.

You know,

there are venues that can only hold like 38 people, you know, capacity crowd, 38 people.

That is the number of dollars he can expect to earn as a radio host going forward.

Black box theater propagandist.

Late night shows.

So, you know, the question obviously comes up when a creative, when a journalist leaves an outlet,

the question comes around about like, how much creative control did you have?

Did you have impositions that were coming from management?

Right.

It does feel like he very much pointed out that the owner of the media company was forcing him to have certain lines upon certain things.

And have certain guests on at certain times.

Which feels like you would be against it.

Yeah, so Owen says, yeah, I had creative control, but also kind of didn't.

Nope.

And

it's not to say that I didn't have creative control over the InfoWars war room,

but I mean, imagine it's like somebody staring over your back 24-7.

And so every single day that I came back, it was either a guest that I was told I had on at the last minute, or it was, you know, him coming into the studio.

He wants me to cover this.

He wants me to cover that.

Or I have to host his show for him because he's not in.

So there was just,

there's nothing consistent for me.

Nothing consistent.

Yeah, that's.

That's, yeah.

Yeah.

That's a hostile work environment.

Yeah.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't know what to say to this.

And that's, that's the reason that I find this really interesting.

And that is like, yeah, Alex was creating a horrible place and you should have quit.

But I also think you were fired.

Yeah.

I also don't think you chose to leave.

No, no, no, no, no.

No.

Oh, remember when I was telling you about that Facebook lady's memoir and how she was like, oh, this was when I knew I had to leave, but then she stayed because, of course, she fucking did.

Yep.

I did.

I thought about that.

Your story about that when I was listening to you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then it was like, oh, I finally got out of there when they fired me.

Great.

All right.

You did it.

Congratulations.

Yeah, you've got, you won.

Hold on to that thought because I think Owen might say literally the same thing.

So

there obviously was difficulty after he came back from his sabbatical, his little hiatus to clear his head from the things that Alex had convinced him were wrong with him.

And then Wednesday, Wednesday was the breaking point for him.

Okay.

That was on Alex's show when he just felt out of control.

Okay.

So, whatever.

So, I'm going through it again last week, and then Wednesday last week happens.

And this is really where

I think for me, it was like, okay,

if this is how it's going to go, really, what happened Wednesday and Thursday.

So, Wednesday was the school shooting.

And we get the exclusive

with Kyle Serafin from his Fed source

at about 9 or 10 o'clock in the morning.

Now, we get this information.

We have the images.

We have the name.

The crew has already archived all of the online content, the manifestos, the videos.

So, I mean, we got it.

We got it.

Now, I was supposed to host the show, but obviously we get this exclusive.

So,

Alex wanted to host the show.

So, I'm like, okay, well, great.

All right, so let's do this.

So it's like, here we go.

I'm riding with Alex again, folks.

We're firing up the Millennium Falcon again.

We're going into the Infowar.

We're taking out a Death Star again.

And I know that this is hard for people to understand from the outside looking in.

And I don't say that from an arrogant standpoint.

I'm just trying to explain to you what it's like here.

It's a little arrogant.

So that was fascinating to hear because

I was so right and so wrong on my read of how Owen was experiencing that Wednesday show.

Yeah.

Something was off about the energy, and it did have to do with Kyle Seraphin and Infowars identifying a mass shooter, but Owen wasn't mad that Alex was pushing him to act the same way that led to lawsuits in the past.

He was mad that

Alex was inserting himself in this.

And it's really just about micromanagement and Alex not letting Owen do the thing by himself.

You know, I can cover this exclusive.

You don't have to come in and call from your car.

It.

Hmm.

right?

So you'd think, you'd think that at a certain point learning would happen.

But then you think, wait, is this just ego?

And it is.

It is always just ego.

It's an interesting variation on ego.

It is mostly just my little baby feelings have been hurt by this.

Amazing.

And then Alex Jones went on air and lied about my family issues.

Can you believe it?

Yeah.

And then I couldn't even come and do my last week.

What was that going to be?

I kind of wanted to.

We'll see.

We'll see.

Okay, he's got a plan.

Okay.

All right.

All right.

All right.

So that day, when Kyle Seraphin and Alex took over Alex's show that Owen was hosting because Alex was out in his car.

Yeah.

Sure.

They broke this story, this big story about this mass shooter.

And Owen took the heat for it in terms of like getting negative headlines written about him.

Right.

And he thought, man, that's going to get Alex off my back for a day.

Right, right, right, right.

And it didn't.

We broke the big exclusive.

It's very likely that if it wasn't for us that day, you never heard about the trans shooter.

You never saw the videos, the manifesto, or any of it.

It's very likely that that's the case.

But we knew, we knew we would get burned.

We've been down this road before, especially on that issue.

Just, you're guaranteed you're getting burned.

You're either getting suited

or you're getting censored in the negative headlines.

So before the show is even over, there's multiple headlines printed up.

Owen Schroyer celebrates mass shooting.

Owen Schroyer celebrates dead kids.

I might get to that later on.

Whenever, it's par for the course.

So there you go.

So I got burned.

So I rode into the fire on Wednesday.

We broke the big exclusive.

I fired up and I got in the co-pilot seat of the Millennium Falcon with Alex Jones for one more ride.

Knowing I was going to get shot out of the sky.

Knowing I was going to get burned.

But hey, all right, it's the info war.

I said, all right, Alex, you want me?

Let's go.

Let's do it.

And we did it.

And we fucking did it.

And then I get the negative headlines.

Okay, fine.

I anticipated that.

And then the next day,

I have to deal with the same stuff of him breaking into the show.

Now he's on a speakerphone, and he's asked the crew to bring him.

It's just a cluster.

It's just a cluster bomb.

So I had

prepared a three-hour show.

I thought since we just did what we did the day before that I could do a three-hour show and babysitter wouldn't be looking over my shoulder.

I was wrong.

It happened and I just said, I'm out.

I'm just done.

So if you don't want me to do the show, you can do it.

And I think he ended up hosting the rest of his show.

I don't even know if I wanted to get any more details with that.

Yeah, I wouldn't.

And Forwards didn't break this story and had essentially zero relevance in the anti-trans hysteria that this story kicked up.

They're just a part of Twitter now, and this shit would have been flying around with or without their involvement.

There's no importance.

Yeah, you guys are empty.

But Owen is right.

He probably shouldn't give more details about this, because it looks bad for everyone.

Owen could probably make some perfectly acceptable arguments for quitting, but the way he's telling this story, he sounds like a baby.

He had a problem with his boss's management style, and that boss gave him a week off to clear his head and get back in the game.

He took that time off, came back to work, and the problem was still there.

Instead of sucking it up and accepting that this wasn't working, he had an outburst and stormed out of work and demanded Friday off, expecting that he was important enough that he could get away with it.

I'm a big proponent of workers' rights, and I will side with labor over management pretty much every time.

Unless there are major pieces missing from Owen's story, it kind of sounds like you deserve to be fired.

And I don't know how anyone could expect that.

Like, I know that Alex acts that way, and it might give you the feeling that I get to also, but you don't.

Alex can storm off his show whenever the fuck he wants because he owns the place.

It's his.

I mean, listen, I don't know.

Here's what I say to these, to this kind of situation, right?

You're a professional liar.

Ask somebody what would be a good reason to quit and then give that reason.

Don't give whatever reason you think is a good idea because you have bad ideas.

And then don't do a five-hour stream about that bad explanation because it's going to end up, you're going to end up accidentally giving more details.

And you're going to reveal that you kind of sound like a rightfully fired employee who abused his boss's unprofessionalism.

Yeah.

Yeah, you're bad at this.

Yeah.

Let somebody else do it.

Which also is part of why you're fired.

Look,

I've had a number of jobs in my life, and I've been fired from a number of them.

Yep, yep.

And if I were to explain the circumstances of a lot of them, I would be telling you a story, and you would say, well, you deserve deserve to get fired.

And I would say, you're correct in hindsight.

Yep.

Maybe I was a little mad when it happened.

But yeah, that was.

Yeah.

I have a couple of stories wherein I was wrong to be fired according to the law, and that meant nothing.

Weren't there also instances where you got fired?

And it's like, oh, that was on me.

Oh, yeah.

No,

I absolutely.

Well, one time I got fired, but I resigned before, like the hour before they called me in.

I was trying to do?

Yeah, yeah.

The hour before they called me in, I had written up my resignation letter and I was like, I have got to get out of here.

And they were like, we were going to fire you.

And I was like, ha ha ha, I went in this round and I was gone like the hamburgler.

This all worked out.

We've all saved face.

Yep.

I just, sad.

Yeah.

It's really, it's a bummer, too, when I have to look at this situation and be like, I think Alex is right.

I think he's wrong to create this awful work environment that people have to put up with.

Right.

And I think he shouldn't be allowed to do that.

Right.

But since we're not just stripping away his business and all that, and it's allowed to exist,

Owen, like he should have quit long ago, and it's not his fault that he had an abusive boss.

Right.

But

he acted in ways that would get anyone fired.

Here's what I love about this.

Here's what I love about this.

Alex could, if he asked somebody else for a legitimate reason why Owen should be fired, plenty of them.

And he could just say that.

Don't need to say anything else.

Here's a good reason.

And everybody would be like, Yeah, that is a good reason.

And we move on.

He stormed off the show on Thursday.

Exactly.

He's fired.

So many good reasons to quit.

You fucking have been trapped in this abusive relationship.

That guy is going to get you sued again.

Like, you just described a really sad scenario where you're the sidekick in the Millennium Falcon of your life.

Like, fucking, there's so many good reasons to quit.

Neither of them are choosing any of the good reasons.

And it's just whiny little babies with terrible egos.

well to be fair up to this point we have not heard alex's response oh that's fair so we don't know right we're recording this on tuesday right alex hasn't even done his show yet okay well this is all breaking stuff fair enough fair enough so alex may have a great explanation i bet or maybe he'll never talk about it that's possible so owen wanted to do this positive style of course he wanted no hard feelings yeah handshakes all that absolutely that's that that's it as far as i'm concerned so i'm not going to be going back in i'm not going to be hosting the war room.

He could have easily had me in to announce it on his show.

I would have been happy.

I would have been more than happy to do it.

Again, that's what I wanted.

It meant a lot to me, folks.

I didn't want to be doing it this way.

Anybody who's followed my career in media knows I don't do the drama stuff.

I don't do the drama stuff.

Sure.

I don't do the, hey, look over here at this personal beef.

I don't do that stuff.

I get along with everybody.

I'm sorry, but this just rings false coming from the cuck destroyer.

Well, self-described.

Are you telling me that the cuck destroyer doesn't do drama?

The guy who did the tank caravan?

Well, it's hard to see a situation where there is a drama-free destruction of a cuck.

This is just bullshit.

I find it to be,

it makes him seem weaker.

I'm the control demolition cuck man.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

He wanted just to shake hands, though, and go out good.

He wanted to have this last week so everybody could

make peace.

Victory lap.

Yeah, yeah.

But you have to understand,

you know,

Alex has been a big inspiration for me and he gave me my first big break in political media.

I'll always be respectful and appreciative of that.

And so that's why it meant a lot to me to do this on InfoWars and to do this in a positive way and to shake his hand on the air.

And for him to say, thank you, great work.

And for me to say, thank you, I appreciate everything.

And to shake his hand and do it in front of the InfoWars audience and crew and leave on a positive note.

But he didn't want to do that.

He said he didn't want to do that.

So now I have to do this here tonight.

Now, I have to say too,

just so people might get a better understanding.

You know, I feel like Wednesday was kind of our last dance.

I feel like Wednesday was kind of our last dance.

And

if you've seen

the documentary called The Last Dance about Michael Jordan and the 96 Bulls or the Bulls franchise, the dynasty, you might get a better idea of what it's like working for Alex Jones.

And you can watch and you listen to people talk about how Michael Jordan is an asshole and Michael Jordan is hard to play for and nobody wants to play with him and he's a jerk and he's got the highest expectations and all this stuff.

And it's just like, well, I like that.

I mean, that's how Alex Jones is, folks.

Alex Jones is hard to work for.

He demands championships.

He demands the best.

Now,

some people can deal with that.

Some people can't.

It's funny to be saying that in the episode where you're talking about how you no longer work for Michael Jordan.

Yep.

Some people can handle that.

Some people can't.

I guess I can't.

Yeah.

Because I'm here.

That would be the conclusion.

Yeah.

Silly.

Silly shit.

I do appreciate the full misunderstanding of Alex saying, I don't want to do that.

That means Alex wants to do something else that does not involve you.

And that should make you very unhappy.

Yeah, no.

And what it most importantly means is

I am not invested in you.

At all.

Not even a little bit.

Do you know what happens tomorrow?

Your show will be gone and no one will know.

Yeah.

Maybe I'll have someone else host the war room.

I could have dead air.

Maybe.

No one will know.

It does not really matter.

No, you weren't moving supplements.

Absolutely.

Don't give a shit.

If I wanted to sell stuff on your show, I went on your show.

I was doing you a favor.

Yep.

Ultimately.

This entire time.

I have been paying you for nothing.

There was a symbiotic relationship that existed where Owen's existence in Infowars allowed Alex to look like he had a deeper bench.

Yep.

And like it was an actual news network and there's other personalities here.

Yep.

And, you know, I'm not saying that no one was watching.

There's a smallish audience there that likes Owen.

Yeah.

But then, yeah, symbiotically, Owen got to look like he was on the news and

he got to be reasonably powerful and he fucked it up.

I would give anything for Owen to be like, listen,

I felt like we were close.

And then they hired Chase.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It hurt.

It hurt.

It really, you know what?

I'm willing to admit this to you on this live stream.

That hurt my feelings.

And I think I hate Jason.

Well, to talk about the last dance, he took that person off.

You know, like, well done.

Thanks.

Well done.

So

Owen is a company man.

Sure.

And so that's why he wanted to go out on InfoWars.

He wanted to do this right.

Right.

So I don't know.

Info Wars could be off air this week.

Info Wars could be off air next year.

I have no idea, but I can no longer, I'm at a point now in my life where I can no longer play that game of committing to go down with the ship because I got other issues.

And I've been extremely loyal to Alex, overly loyal to Alex in InfoWars.

Yeah, man.

And I'm okay with that.

You know, I was a corporate man.

I was a network man.

And I was proud to play for, as I view it, the Yankees, the best ever, InfoWars.

I was proud of that.

And I still am.

I have no regrets.

But

I couldn't hold out any longer.

I wanted this to be my last week on air, but Alex didn't want it.

So that's why I'm here tonight, and I'll tell you what is coming up for the future as far as I'm concerned.

So there's two things in this clip that are important to hold on to for later.

The first is the idea that Owen thought of himself as a corporate man playing for the team.

This has to do with the fact that Owen still thinks of himself as a professional broadcaster who's employable by some other network that isn't batshit insane where the content is secondary to pill sales.

The second is the fact that Owen keeps talking about what's next and keeps saying that he wanted to do his last stream on Infowars and because Alex said that he couldn't come back, Owen had to do this stream.

He didn't want to do it this way, but he had to.

When someone says, I didn't want to do it this way, it usually means that they're about to do some disgusting shit, throw some dirty laundry around, whatever.

They wanted to stay classy, but their hand was forced.

I had to do it.

That's not what Owen is saying here.

He's literally saying that this isn't what he planned to do, and Alex not letting him do a couple more days on air is a problem for plans that he had set in motion.

And he needs to do this tonight because Alex will be back on air tomorrow.

And there's a decent chance that that will disrupt whatever plans he has.

You bet.

So that's fun.

I was hoping to use the last week as a springboard onto bigger and better things where where I was allowed to talk to my full audience who could also give me, but instead I'm doing this live stream for how many 40!

40 of you.

No, oh boy.

So on Rumble, I think there are about a thousand people watching live or something like that.

For what is supposed to be occurring, that might as well be 40.

Well, but there were also, I think

people who called in said that there were a hundred thousand watching on Twitter, and I just don't think those numbers are real.

Whatever.

Yeah.

I strongly doubt that.

I really think that's artificial.

Yeah.

um, and I don't even know if that was the number that appeared on.

I didn't watch it live on Twitter.

Who cares?

Yeah, so like, I think it's not 40, but it ain't a lot of it.

It's whatever it is, it's not enough.

It's not what Owen was hoping for with doing another week at Infowars.

Yeah.

So it turns out, here's his plan.

Okay.

But let me tell you what's going to happen.

I've got this decent studio that I'm in right now.

And, you know,

it could work

just fine.

And it does for the most part.

But I'd like to build something bigger.

You know, I think that this is a nice studio for kind of a,

you know, a secondary broadcast option.

I kind of like this camera angle right here.

And, you know,

there's some other things I can do with this studio, but this is not the studio I want for my main studio.

It's nice for a secondary studio.

It's nice for guest interviews.

It's nice when I need to pop on and do a live.

but i'd really like to build something a lot bigger a lot more professional um i'd like to build something that is way more radio centric than tv centric if you're not in the industry then that might not mean much to you but basically i don't want all the tv lights i hate all the tv lights they burn my corneas every day

uh i i hate all the cameras I hate the big TV studio space.

I just, I don't like the big TV.

I don't like it.

I don't like TV.

I don't like network TV.

I don't like the presentation.

I'm more of a radio guy.

So what I'm going to do is I'm going to build a professional radio style studio,

probably

with

maybe two or three, four cameras, but it's not going to be like a TV show presentation at all.

It'll be more of a radio show presentation.

So this is why Owen wanted to do this on InfoWars.

He wanted to announce announce his plan to start a new radio network to Alex's audience, and Alex wanted no part in promoting Owen's new shit.

Alex gave him a week off from his show, and then he didn't fire him on the spot when he stormed off his show, and now Owen wants to do another week so he can try to Pied Piper these idiots off to another platform?

Fuck that.

I think Owen's wise, though, to not want to do TV stuff, because the overhead on that is going to be way too high.

But I also think that he sounds kind of dumb.

Like he thinks he just invented podcasting with a camera pointed at you.

Yeah.

so what's he announcing like is it his intention to do the exact same thing that Tim Poole and countless other shitheads already do yes he thinks that his level of popularity and clout require a professional studio and a backup studio right this sounds grandiose Owen was stressing that after his call with Alex he needed to do this stream tonight.

He didn't want to do it this way, but he had to.

I think he knows that the status of second-hand banana at Infowars, that's not going to last long after he's gone, and he's quickly going to become just another guy.

Alex has known that InfoWars was going to collapse for at least a couple years now, and he's been able to position himself where he has like a backup store and a second website, and all of that is his parachute.

Owen thought that he was going to be able to launch his own parachute on the war room this week, but Alex said no, and this ding-dong is scrambling.

Amazing.

This is all panic.

The idea

that you would,

buddy, fucking downsize.

You are to, do you know what we record?

You should be in a smaller version of that.

Downsize, buddy.

Three or four cameras?

Crazy.

Look into a webcam that's on, that's from a real disreputable part of China.

Later, Owen's going to talk about how he wants the show to just be like straight news, no guests.

What show?

Right.

Why would you need four cameras for that?

It's just you delivering the news.

Insane.

Yeah.

That is insane.

Wow.

I think that he is going to have a cold bucket of water splashed in his face real soon, metaphorically.

I hope nobody invests.

So he's going to make this radio studio.

And this is part of a larger project,

which is creating his own network.

What?

And, you know, I'm still kind of in the early phases since this all just happened today.

But

I'm going to launch a news network.

I already have it ready to go.

It's going to be called the Win

Network.

It's the World Independent News Network.

And this is kind of just a mock-up logo that I had as a mic flag.

But I anticipate the Owen report will be live on the Win Network in October.

I think that it'll probably take a month for me to get everything done.

So this is so sloppy, and the signs that this is rushed are disconcerting.

Yeah.

For one thing, the Wynn Network is a trash name, and the abbreviation isn't even worth it.

Nope.

World Independent News Network is generic as hell, and it sounds like a fake TV station in a movie.

Second, Wynn Network is a name that's already been taken.

There's an organization called the Well-Being in the Nation Network that does work around issues Owen really isn't into, like racial justice and intergenerational trauma.

They've already got this name, and it's well established.

But it's not a radio station.

True.

Third, Owen doesn't own the URL for winnetwork.com.

I looked it up on GoDaddy and I almost bought it for the joke of saying I own it.

But it was like $5,500 and that's out of my price rate.

$5,500?

Yeah, it's God damn.

It turns out that websites that aren't claimed that have the word network in them

very expensive.

Yeah, apparently that's

after because if you've got a network, you probably have enough money to shell out.

You might want to, yeah.

But I don't think Owen's going to be able to pay.

I don't think he wants to pay $5,500 for that.

Well, he'd have to get rid of three or four of those cameras.

I think that they have, like Alex with his band.video and all these weird URLs.

Yeah.

I think that because there's that lineage in Infowars, that if he ever want,

even if I did buy winnetwork.com, he would just get winnetwork.truth or something like that.

Absolutely.

So

squatting on it and getting it just to poke at him, I think it would be really funny, but I also, it's not worth it.

Especially because if you did own it and the actual WinNetwork was like, can you have that?

You would probably give them a huge discount.

The well-being in the nation?

Yeah.

I don't know.

I didn't look into them deep enough to know.

I mean, a lot of the surface stuff sounded like, I'm all right with that.

You never know with surface stuff, though.

Yeah, who knows?

So I feel like announcing this world-independent news network before you have a studio built and before you even seem to check out the intellectual property is really dumb.

It looks hastily thrown together and desperate, not like the exciting next step in a bright young star's career.

Yeah.

So I'm worried for him.

I, I,

boy, you know,

I like believers.

I like dreamers, but I do not want to put my money in this dream or this man's belief in himself.

So on Shark Tank.

I'm going to have to, it's going to be a no for me.

It's going to be a no for me.

You know what, Mark Cuban's saying no to i don't think i don't think any for whom is this network first off i think that if owen is smart um it will be a um

i'm more open about my anti-semitism and and how that undergirds all of this um like right-wing conspiracy ideology and worldview sure cater to that audience buddy up with like fuentes and all them uh

just take off the shackles of InfoWars and all that shit.

Yeah.

Or the alternative is just create some dumb, bland bullshit and hopefully get some foreign money or something.

Yeah.

Get some dark money shit going through like with Tim Poole and Dave Rubin, you know, with tenant media.

Like if you could hunt down some of that money, you probably get paid more than you got at InfoWars, and all they would ask you to do is probably about the same shit you would be doing.

Probably.

Well, I mean, at the very least, they wouldn't ask you to do all the promotion, all the IT work, all of the,

because you don't have the InfoWars staff behind you.

It's just Owen.

They wouldn't micromanage him and sit over his shoulder all the time like Alex either.

That's true.

Less annoying.

Yeah.

So look, this is a bad idea.

Yes, it is a bad idea.

But what if I told you that the structural ideas for the format of the show were also terrible?

I would believe every word of it.

They're awful.

Let's hear it.

I think that it'll probably take a month for me to get everything done.

Optimistic.

So that includes just all the

technical stuff, the mechanical stuff,

and then, you know, getting an operation that can fund itself.

Because I don't really want to do

like, you know, I don't want to do the permanent going out of business sale.

I don't want to do the permanent, like, you know, you need this to save the world sale strategies.

I don't want to constantly be doing fundraisers either.

I want to do more of a traditional style, which is we have sponsors that fund our operation.

Oh, my God.

And, you know, having said that,

I want to cover news.

That's what I want to do.

I want to cover news.

And so, like, here's an example.

Thursday.

Oh, God.

Try it out.

Try covering the news.

Do it.

I wanted to cover all of this news Thursday.

This is the news

that I didn't get to Thursday because I was disrupted.

Okay?

This

stack.

I want to cover news.

With his own stacks.

And here's what I've learned

as a consumer of news.

Almost nobody covers news anymore.

I don't know if he realizes how insulting this is to Alex, but if Owen is intending to keep it classy, he's failing.

The permanent going out of business sale, the

you need this or you're going to die sale.

These models that he doesn't want to replicate are just descriptions of InfoWars.

He's directly telling everyone listening that Alex uses these tactics for marketing because he can't get advertisers the traditional route.

And I have bad news for Owen on two counts.

The first is that if Alex isn't getting sponsors, his backwash isn't either.

Any business willing to advertise with the guy who just left Infowars after a decade also wouldn't have a problem with advertising with Infowars itself.

So the only people you can really hope to attract are people who would have advertised with Alex, but he was too expensive.

And I can't imagine who that is because I think he's cheap.

This is ridiculous.

The second piece of bad news for this newshound is that he's part of an information war that was waged against news.

He wants to cover stories and be like the anchors of olden times, but no one in his audience wants that.

It's fucking dull, and that's why they watch stuff like Alex, because it's exciting and it makes them feel things.

The thing that made InfoWars and, by extension, Owen relevant in any way is the same thing that's going to guarantee that he will fail if he tries to do a serious news show.

No one wants that.

I can't imagine, I cannot imagine the person who's like, oh man, all these serious news shows are just trash.

They're just so boring.

I stumbled upon this lone streamer in the middle of nowhere who's giving me real straight news.

Yeah.

I'm going to to go from C-SPAN PBS over to the cook destroyer.

Wild.

Yeah.

Wild.

So stupid.

Amazing.

To believe in this requires a lot of delusion.

Yes.

Yeah.

And it's going to get worse.

Oh, I bet.

But what he wants to do is a three-hour news show.

Sure.

No conspiracies.

Okay.

Wow, maybe a little conspiracy.

Come on.

Come on.

Come on.

There are.

Nobody covers news.

It's all sensationalism.

It's all

hyper-partisanism.

It's all cheerleading or fanboying.

Nobody just covers news.

So from 3 to 6 p.m., I'm going to cover news.

I'm not going to do sensationalism.

I'm not going to do conspiracy theory.

I'm not going to do the world is ending.

I'm not going to do hyper-partisanship.

I'm not going to do pom-pom waving.

I'm not going to do flag waving.

I'm going to do a three-hour news show for everyone who wants news.

And yeah, we'll do, you know, we'll do some conspiracy theory and we'll have some fun.

Yeah, come on.

What are you crazy?

I'm just going to do straight news for three hours, no conspiracies.

Yeah.

Now, admittedly, it's entirely possible that by doing the small amount, I will render the large amount utterly worthless.

But hey, I haven't thought that far out.

And honestly, everything that he's describing as what he's not going to do is just a direct insult towards Alex.

Yeah, absolutely.

So I feel like the part that he was saying earlier about having nothing negative to say about Alex is ringing very false.

Yeah, it seems like every part of your job was the part you hated.

Yeah.

And are now talking about as if it were all fraud.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Almost as if somebody else was in charge of all of this fraud and not that you had done it yourself for the past decade.

Until you were told you can't come back.

Exactly.

And then you decided, you know what?

No more.

Yeah.

So now that Owen is free,

he hasn't felt like this in years.

Broke.

I spoke to a friend before the show.

They asked me how I felt and I said, well, you know, I don't even know how to explain that, except I feel like I haven't felt in a decade.

I feel like I have not felt in 10 years.

And

I don't know if that's a feeling of control, a feeling of the unknown, a feeling of freedom, a feeling of fear.

I don't know, but it's something I haven't felt in a long time.

And,

you know,

I'm 36 years old.

Congratulations.

And I think I've had quite a bit of

experience for a 36-year-old in media.

And,

you know, I think that

I think that a lot of the things I've learned along the way, I'm going to finally be able to implement and to use

in my own way and in my own creative

delivery, if you will.

Wow.

But

I hope to be doing this for 50 more years.

You know?

Yeah, I know.

Owen being 36 bums me out.

Yeah, that really bums me out, too.

It's not like he's old or anything like that.

Like, 36 isn't old, but it's older than he feels like he should be.

Yeah.

InfoWars is a Peter Pan-ass place, but like the Neverland from Hook, where Peter is super old and the Lost Boys are still young.

Alex seems old as shit, and all the other people there feel like they should be getting junior college credit for interning.

Yeah, I do think that he's had a lot of living experience.

Like, he's seen some shit.

Owen was at January 6th.

He went to jail.

He worked for a lunatic for a decade.

He's been around, but the problem is that I don't think that that amounted to much experience in the work sense.

Right.

He's worked at Infowars for a decade.

His boss is a lunatic.

Like, we've been doing this for about 10 years,

close enough, right?

I wouldn't say that this decade has given me any experience in quote-unquote media.

Life experience, but that doesn't, I don't think it would make me more employable somewhere.

I wouldn't be able to go to like CNBC and be like, I've been doing media for 10 years.

And they'd be like, yeah, you have.

No, I don't think so.

No.

Not the same thing.

No, and I think that that's going to be another tough wake-up call that he's going to get at some point.

This is wildly

like.

How much awareness is zero self-awareness?

Hmm.

It's zero seems higher than this.

Right?

Yeah, this seems lower than this.

We're going into the depths.

Yeah, negative numbers.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So

I told you that I think that it's dumb as a format for him to just be like, I'm going to do three hours of news.

At three to six.

Yeah.

But you know what?

If someone's just going to stick to their guns and it's just news, I'll give them a shot.

Okay.

But what if they don't?

Okay.

We'll see about the time.

But as a soft date, I think Monday, October 6th, I'll officially launch the Owen report, which will be live 3 to 6 p.m.

weekdays and be nothing but news.

Nothing but news.

And it's going to be way more radio style.

There won't be really network breaks.

But, you know, we'll have,

like, I want to do planned segments.

Like, I want to do a segment called The Rant,

where I just rant for a segment.

I want to do a segment called The Roast, where I roast somebody or some situation.

So it's like, I'll get a sponsor for those segments, and then we'll do the rant, and it'll be brought to you by them.

And then we'll do the roast, and it'll be brought to you by them.

At the top of the hour, I want to do a news break.

So I'll have somebody can five-minute just just headlines at the top of every hour.

So it's just a news break at the top of every hour.

So you'll get that.

So this show is going to be nothing but news.

And then immediately Owen starts rattling off hacky zucre morning show segments that he wants to do on his show.

Yep.

None of that is news.

None of it.

It's all personality-driven commentary shit, exactly like what he was free to do at Infowars.

And I have nothing but news to tell you.

Bad news that this shit isn't going to happen.

No one's going to sponsor Owen's rant segment.

Nope.

Adam Carolla might fuck around and send him a seasoned assist.

Like, he's just.

Dennis Miller is going to beat him up in an ad.

It's wild.

Also, boy, the rant,

that has a lot of.

I'm capable of being entertaining for a series of words

behind it, which I.

It's...

No good.

I can't believe this.

I can't believe he's saying this with a straight face.

Now, I will say, this is why I said at the top of the show, it's entirely possible this is a prank because this is so stupid.

This is shocking.

Yeah,

this is the levels of bad ideas that I would come up with if I was trying to prank somebody.

I thought...

early on that we were in like um i want a pony territory where it's like oh well i'm glad that kids should believe should reach for the stars you know that's what you should do now we're in like oh we're about two days into this

hypermanic episode, and this person's about to spend $30,000 that they do not have.

Yeah.

We're in trouble here.

The episode started with, haha, isn't it funny that Owen got fired or maybe quit?

Who knows?

What's going on here?

And now it's upsetting.

Yeah.

Now his vision of what's possible in the future is very scary.

Now I will say this: what?

I will put money together and sponsor his roast segment for one week if he roasts you.

That would make me sad.

I would give anything for a good roast from Owen Schroyer, but man, it would just be so sad.

Yeah.

We wouldn't even enjoy it.

I would insist he work clean.

Don't know that blue shit.

It's too easy.

It is too easy.

Or just comes out and does the aristocrats.

Every week.

Here's what he would do.

Here's what he would do.

What you do is you do the reverse roast, and you just talk about, man, I can't believe that guy's dick is so big.

You know,

you go that way.

Make it ironic.

Yeah, hockey puck.

That's the way to do it.

So there's some great news.

This is not going to happen?

No.

Well, no, it's going to happen.

It's probably not going to happen.

He still thinks it's going to happen.

Right.

And it will never be behind a paywall, which I respect.

I respect that.

Sure.

Let me just make this.

Let me make this promise to you.

The Owen report will never be behind a paywall.

Depending on how fundraising goes in the next week or two,

I may decide to do something else on a subscriber base.

Like a paywall?

The Owen report, my three hours a day news, that will never be behind a paywall.

I promise you that.

You will never have to subscribe to anything

to get the Owen report for three hours a day.

But depending on what fundraising looks like in the next couple of weeks and how easy we're able to get sponsors in.

Wow.

Who's we?

That'll determine what we do with the subscriber-based program because that's where most people are going is towards the subscriber base program.

So,

you know, there is that, but I want to go more of a traditional radio type thing where you have sponsors on board, you have live reads, you have segments that get a sponsorship.

You know, somebody will sponsor the phone line.

Somebody will sponsor the studio.

We have a microphone sponsor.

So that's how I want to do it.

I'll sponsor an air horn that I can hit the button to hit like, oh,

yeah.

Like whenever I want.

We should have a remote air horn that he has to, like, while he's on his stream, we're allowed to just click it whenever we want and he'll never know.

Yeah.

And what if we go like a week without clicking it?

He'll always have the fear of when the next one is going to be.

And then one week I'll replace it with the Scatman.

Absolutely.

We should essentially, Here's what we're saying: we need to subsidize this show so we can slowly drive Owen Schroyer crazy.

We need so much more money to sponsor him in horrifying ways.

Absolutely.

I say, We're just creating, like, I'll pay you to eat that worm.

That's where we're at.

No, I don't want to do that.

That's degrading.

Yeah.

And not creative.

It's not interesting.

No, no, no.

I'm with you there.

Yeah.

We would have, we are more creative than that, but that's what I'm saying.

I'm, I,

I don't want to say that I want to do a squid game.

Again, wait, here, we're back at it.

It should be called the Owen hour.

How are we not there?

The Owen report is terrible.

We need to talk about that.

Yeah.

Much like the name the Wind Network.

The Owen Report is taken?

Yeah, you should have looked into this.

Of course it is.

So the Owen Report, that's the name of the British parliamentary report from 2016 that revealed that polonium-210 was found in the body of Alexander Litvinenko, the former Russian secret agent who was murdered in London.

Irony.

The Owen report makes clear that Putin carried out a nuclear radiation assassination on foreign soil.

So this name's a little iffy for someone like Owen, who's worked at a painfully pro-Putin media outlet for the last decade.

I don't know if this...

I would have chosen a different name if I'd Googled it.

And it just makes this look really sloppy.

Like he's put no effort into this at all.

Terrible.

And that kind of makes sense.

Like, it would be hard to see Alex pull off not doing any preparation for a decade and getting away with it all the time and not think I can do that too.

I mean you have to it's gonna be so harsh when the rug comes out It is it's got to be

It's got to be maddening to watch like the luckiest man in the world get through scrape after scrape after scrape without effort

like that's got to be insane So you just figure like when you go to an open mic or something like that and you go like I can do that except for this is brain surgery.

You can't do that.

You can't.

No,

who

can he even look to from InfoWars that has left and anyone cares about them?

Like

Leanne McAdoo didn't go on to do anything

and she left on decent terms.

Yeah.

Millie Weaver, done.

Done.

Caitlin Bennett,

Bennett, whatever the government is.

Whatever their name.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Whatever their names are.

Yes, exactly.

David Knight.

Whoa, I think he's still crushing it.

Or he's dead.

No one knows.

I think he's alive and probably still doing his show.

And that probably, the fact that I said probably means something.

Yeah, that's that should.

Why isn't Owen like reaching out to them?

Maybe Owen and David Knight should get together.

They've already got

an Owen and Knight thing.

Yeah, why not?

I don't know why he would think he's not up against a very serious disadvantage.

Crazy.

So,

you know, we were talking a little bit about how this is upsetting in a way that the expectations do not feel like they match

what could happen.

Yeah.

Get ready for that to get worse.

Oh, no.

I think I'll probably just do straight three hours by myself, no guests,

and just do news every day.

Just do breaking news.

And

for my more controversial takes, let's say, or my more conspiratorial takes, or, you know, things that might turn sponsors off, I'll do a separate show.

I'll do Owen Schroer Live

where either we have no sponsors at all, or that's where kind of a subscriber-based thing will come in, and you can pay for that content.

But what I'm looking to do is a three-hour talk show for everyone.

A three-hour talk show that you feel confident sharing with your friends and family.

A three-hour talk show that you feel confident playing in your car when you're driving Uber or driving your friends around or playing in your business when you're doing business throughout the day.

Business.

That's what I want to do.

I want this to be for everyone.

I want to be America's anchorman.

That's what I want to be.

That's so sad.

If you break it down, what Owen is saying is that he wants to host a show that people aren't embarrassed to listen to, which is what InfoWars was.

Yeah.

He's lived for 10 years as a guy hosting a show that people have to make excuses or apologize for liking, and now he wants to be free of all that.

Yeah.

This is some ungrateful shit.

The only reason Owen got to host his own show like a big boy is because he went to the pretend channel where his boss would get drunk on air and throw hatchets around while lying about murder victims in service of selling fake pills.

If it weren't for the fact that Infowars was an embarrassing cesspool, he never would have been able to compete with other applicants for the position that he ended up in.

He was only serviceable because nothing was expected of him.

He was another talent at a one-talent business.

He could have slept through large chunks of his show and it wouldn't have mattered.

And now he thinks he should be America's anchor man.

I, the only, okay, so

everybody is thinking, oh, we're here for some Schadenfreud.

The only response I had to that was to just go, oh, honey, like, that's how I feel.

The only response that I had to that is like,

saying America's anchorman feels like a Ron Burgundy reference, maybe this is trying to signal that this is a prank.

He can't seriously

have this idea about himself.

He can't seriously.

But I think he does.

Wild.

He also says America's Anchorman a bunch of times.

Of course.

Clearly, it's branding that he's going to be.

I'm going to be America's Anchorman, and then people will say, Oh, that's America's Anchorman, Owen Troyer.

Oh, my God.

Of the Owen Report and also Owen Live.

Where he does his spicy artists.

He wants controversial takes.

Yeah.

He wants to do his respectable news show for

three hours a day and then do the interesting show.

What's great is even the like idea of openly telling people the lies you're about to tell them.

Like, oh, what I'm going to do is tell the sponsors that I'm this person, but in reality, I'll tell you I'm this person.

Yeah.

Ha ha ha.

I'm going to pay well the crazy stuff in order to try and trick somebody into paying for my rat segment.

So the sponsors will never figure out this whole idea as long as I don't say it out loud on the live stream announcing what I'm doing.

It's almost as if I've I've figured out a way for me to live two lives and never the twain shall meet between them.

It's cool.

It's good.

It's good.

It's smart.

It is like.

It is another aspect of the self-awareness to be like, I'm going to do a show that people don't come up to me and say, I have to hide underneath the blankets while listening to it with headphones, otherwise people will think I'm crazy.

Children don't periodically insult me in public for doing the show that I do.

And not realize that what he's saying is actually about InfoWars and not himself.

I mean, it's both, really.

Well, I suppose.

Yeah.

I mean.

It's insulting InfoWars.

Right.

But it's also a damning sort of admission about yourself that you could only thrive in an embarrassing environment.

Yeah.

You didn't go there and start getting embarrassed.

You were embarrassing, and that's why they wanted you.

Yeah.

Like I said earlier, his great sports reporting didn't get him the job.

Right.

He got the job for yelling at people at protests.

And that's why he's there.

And that's why they're embarrassing.

You can only get hired at a place that wants the cuck destroyer.

And there are very, very few places that say, that guy calls himself the cuck destroyer?

Yes, please.

Yeah.

People who are only going to get hired at a place that interviews Rufio Panman.

right and Count Dankula

I mean you can't if I oh my god this guy taught his dog how to do a Nazi salute as a joke I gotta get him on the show.

I want to do straight news, but for the subscribers This guy taught his dog how to do a Nazi salute

now

Now we got to get him ah God just amazing

But here's what's great about this It's not even going to get started because there's no way he can get any of the stuff necessary together first First off, within a month, get the fuck out of here.

It's a tight timeline.

You idiot.

Second, nobody's going to come work for or with you because you can't pay anybody.

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

Well, I bet there might be some enterprising young groipers who would be willing to do it on spend.

Labor explained?

Yeah.

Happy Labor Day.

No, I bet.

I bet they would.

For the cause.

Maybe.

Maybe.

He might be able to solve a couple of those problems, but all of them, I don't think so.

I'll tell you what.

I don't even know.

Especially in a month.

Three to four cameras?

Get the fuck out of here.

A second studio?

Whoa,

I wouldn't be confident in launching it with just the one he's using right there.

I would be more confident in that.

It sounds fine.

I would be slightly, no, I would be slightly more confident, but I still don't think it would happen.

Yeah.

So I think we have some problems with his plan.

Right.

I think there's some problems with foresight and self-awareness.

Scaffolding.

There's one problem that isn't here.

What's that?

He's very brave, and he walked out at Infowars because God told him to.

Yeah, God guided him.

Oh, God.

You know, whenever I've gone through things personally or professionally

in, let's say,

everything that led to this decision today,

I always just gave it to God.

I always just said, you know what?

God will let me know.

It's not even going to be up to me.

It was never up to me, and it's not ever going to be up to me.

It'll always be up to God.

That's why Gene Hackman said.

So, you know, we went through some stuff in the last couple of weeks and i always just said okay i'm just gonna give it to god just god will let me know um and then there were just more signs like it's now's the time just more signs from god like now's the time what are you doing now's the time and in my stubbornness i said well

let me just be sure

and so when i called alex and i said hey i want to come in this week but i'm after that it's done let's let's do it on your show let's make it positive and i want to shake your hand and i wanted all to be good and when he said no don't come in this week we don't need you to me that was the final sign from god it's like okay that's it that's it it's like there's when they fired you just literally not another stone i could turn over to say it's time to stay that was it that was it it has to be it yeah these guys have such an idiotic view of the divine Owen is trying to say that he listens to God, but then he's describing making his own decisions repeatedly until the ability to make a decision has been taken away from him.

And now that he's not welcome to continue Infowars, he's trying to act like he made a choice to leave because God guided him to.

What Owen is discussing isn't stubbornness, it's non-belief, it's an absence of faith.

Based on Owen's own version of the story, he didn't make a decision.

Alex did.

Owen wanted to come in so he could promote his new show on the way out, and Alex said, get lost.

God was telling him that it was time to make a move before this, and Owen did nothing until the decision was made for him, and this is being called submitting to God.

These guys are all religious frauds and it comes out when they start trying to describe how their religious inclinations impact their lives they're able to recite bible verses and yelling about hellfire is fun but when it comes to living your beliefs all these people reveal themselves to be charlatans when they start talking about it and they better pray there's no hell because they're going there if there is yeah yeah i mean it is one of those nice things about that is that i win the bet either way you know if there's no hell no big deal if there is a hell everybody that i don't like is going to be there.

No big deal.

I mean, hey, I'll be there too, but whatever.

A high percentage of the people you don't like.

I mean, the

just

the concept of faith to them is like the one thing that they truly just do not understand, right?

If you are given a position wherein God says you should do this thing, but you say, but I know it's smarter to do this thing, it's the faith that gets you to do the other thing.

That's the whole thing.

That's what it's it.

Yeah, that's what it's supposed to be.

That's the faith.

Yeah.

That's it.

Yep.

Right?

And to be like, ah, no, I'm pretty sure I'm right.

That's not the Jesus Christ.

Until you are unable to make a decision.

Yeah.

Being

convinced of your own ability to know better than God until you don't have a choice is not faith.

No.

That's, I guess, the reason that God fucks people over a lot in the Bible.

Yeah, and these types of stories you just hear from people like Alex, and I just don't think that there's a depth to their spirituality.

No.

I think that they may think that there is,

but faith and religion and walking with God and a personal relationship with Jesus, these are pieces of like narrative convenience for them.

It doesn't mean anything.

Yeah, the concept of sacrifice, just simply the concept of like, even if this isn't what I want to happen or I want to occur or the results that I want, because of this, I do this.

It's amazing.

It's amazing.

So

we were talking a little bit about his

unwise expectations.

They're not good.

They may be too high.

They're about to get worse.

Uh-oh.

I mean, I'll just put it like this, since it got brought up earlier.

I want to build the biggest political family and political movement since Rush Limbaugh.

That's what I want to do.

And I mean, you could say that InfoWars might have been the biggest.

After Russia's passing, you could could probably say InfoWars was the biggest.

Maybe it still is.

I don't know.

The landscape is changing so fast now.

And I guess after tonight, even more so.

But that's what I want to do.

I want to be as

inviting for everybody, even the people that disagree.

I mean, that's crazy.

That is absolutely crazy.

You want to be as big as Rush?

I want to have everything

without sacrificing any of the things necessary to have anything.

Does he think that Rush was a straight news show?

Absolutely.

I remember listening to Rush on the on the road with my dad and I remember hearing nothing but the straight news.

And like that's a show for everyone that's super inclusive was Rush.

Yeah.

That's stupid.

But also like I don't think that he's taking into account how artificial and astro turfed Rush was

and the popularity that he enjoyed.

A large part of it was the consolidation of media companies that were happening at the time, the way that radio stations syndicated, package deals around markets, and the monopoly

that came out, that developed in radio.

Rush wouldn't have been Rush without it.

No.

Hannity wouldn't have been Hannity without it.

And these environments don't exist now because of social media, because of Owen's ability to do a five-hour stream complaining about not being at InfoWars anymore.

Like,

the ascendance of those things.

The fact that it's easier to do a show means that you can never be Rush.

Yep.

And that's the deal that we've all made, I guess.

And it's very sad to hear him fantasize.

Yeah, it is really sad.

It is really sad.

It's really sad because

to a certain extent, and I think there's something within all of us, right?

When you see somebody who's fully trapped inside an illusion, there's a part of you, not all of you, but there's a part of you that says,

maybe they're happier.

Maybe they should stay in there, right?

Yep.

Because to watch them, because we've all seen it, we've all seen people go from the full illusion to realizing the world, and it's not pleasant.

It's not pleasant to watch.

It's not pleasant to have happen to you.

And it's only pleasant in this situation because Owen Troyer sucks.

Yeah.

And I think that he'll probably have the benefit of like a little bit of cushion.

Like, I don't think it's going to be really bad for a while

because he does have enough resources and connections in a lot of places and right-wing media that he can go and do a press tour of a bunch of podcasts and shit.

Probably, yeah, and maybe it'll work out for a little bit, maybe, but it's not going to pan out.

No, I mean, it's just

not.

He's no rush.

There's no skills.

Nope.

So he takes some calls.

And, like, he has a system that's able to take calls.

Why get a new studio?

I don't know.

Crazy.

Vanity.

Right.

So

he has a guy who brings up an old quote of his.

Okay.

I just wanted to say I think you're going to crush your next endeavor, and I will be following along closely.

And the reason is because I think you're one of the only

real, honest people covering the news, especially when it comes to Trump.

You're not a blind

proponent.

You actually break things down credibly.

And I always come back to

if it can't be applied universally, it's not logic, it's propaganda.

That's one of my quotant quotables right there.

If it can't be applied universally, it's not logic, it's propaganda.

We're going to etch that one in.

We're going to develop a couple couple more sweet, I think, in the coming years, but that's definitely one that stuck.

Exactly.

I got it from you, and it was just like engraved in my mind.

So you should frame that for your new studio.

I'll get it etched into stone or something.

That's an awesome, smart-sounding, dumb person quote.

The positions Owen puts forth on his show don't all spring forth from some universally applicable logic that he's applying to the world but if he says something pithy like this dipshits kind of think that that's what he's doing.

Just earlier in our episode, we've heard Alec Owen advocate for deporting immigrants to random countries that they have no connection to, and saying that tyrannical acts are fine if they can said to be lower crime rates.

Neither of these things could possibly be universally applicable, because if they were, then he can't care about gun rights, and Guantanamo Bay shouldn't have been that big of a deal.

And look, sure, the war in Iraq was costly and it killed a lot of people, but it was pretty damn effective at reducing the number of 9-11s we've had since then.

Not even one in 24 years.

I mean, I suppose.

Well, I mean, a specific one.

Yeah, right?

You can't really have another one.

My metrics work.

That's fair.

I'd also hate for Owen to apply some of this universally applicable logic to his religious beliefs.

If he accidentally did that, he might end up figuring out that his god's a propagandist and send himself right into a crisis.

What?

Oh, no.

No.

Universally applicable logic.

I do love the ability to say words and never think about them.

And then when you hear them back, you smile because they sound good, not because they have any meaning.

It's wild.

Yeah.

Like, I would hear my, I would hear somebody say that to me, and I'd be like, oh,

I'm, oh, boy.

Y'all, maybe click, and I would just turn it off.

What are we doing here?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I would hear him say, like, I think I can be the next rush.

And I'd be like, whoa, turning my chair around and getting the the fuck out of here kid you gotta you gotta learn how to crawl before you can walk and my dude you don't even have legs yeah so he he does get a number of calls from people who are like i love you man you're the only reason i listen to infowars blah blah blah all right but he also gets a call from clearly one of our listeners uh oh this is on his own stream oh god and uh yeah this person is definitely one of our oh yeah fans let's take the next caller what's your name where are you from

hi i'm I'm Bob from Bowie, Maryland.

Okay, Bob, go ahead.

So, listen, you said God is telling you it's time to leave.

And Alex's God tells him the time, too.

My question is, what time's right?

Which one is it?

I can't talk for Alex.

I'm talking for myself.

So

this is the right time.

Does God also tell you the time?

Is this a hitherto for unknown power?

Oh, I'll tell you what.

If you want to ask Alex Jones a question, you can go ahead and call his show, okay?

I can't answer what power.

I'm asking you.

I'm asking you.

How would I know?

What are you asking me?

I'm asking you, does God tell you the time?

Is this a thing you both share, or

is this something new?

No.

No, I don't get a...

God doesn't tell me the exact time of day.

I have a natural clock like everyone else does in their head.

I don't know about that.

So he doesn't wake you up and tells you it's 2.45 exactly.

No, I've never had that.

Interesting.

Interesting.

All right.

All right, Bob.

That's pretty funny.

That's pretty great.

Good stuff.

Good stuff.

Because Owen knows exactly what this person's asking.

Oh, yeah.

He's poking fun at the idea that Alex believes this and Owen went along with this.

Yep.

Yep.

And Owen will refuse to be like, oh, yeah, I don't believe that.

Or, yeah, I believe that.

You won't do it.

Owen, Owen, Owen.

You got to eat it you know that's the thing now now you're on the other side the but that's the that's the trick for a guy like owen the trick is to eat it nobody thinks you're gonna be able to eat it everybody thinks you're gonna run away everybody thinks you're gonna try and do all that stuff if you eat it if you really just go yep here's this shit here's the real shit fuck alex jones for all of this stuff this is what's true and it's such an interesting um sort of parallel because someone calls in and is like hey do you not like uh methylene blue?

And Owen's like, yeah, I tried it once and I didn't really like it.

I'm not anti-it, but I don't like it.

I'm not, I don't want to promote it.

Right.

So he's able to kind of cut through the bullshit on that, but like, hey, does Alex have magic?

Yeah.

Like, he can't, he can't be like, no, that's full of shit.

And he's a crazy person.

Like, that's like, but that's where you got to go.

You got to go with that.

And that will be interesting.

That will be for everybody.

Ironically, the thing that you want to be be for everybody is the one thing that you cannot do.

Yeah, probably.

Wild.

Duncan on that.

What a fuck.

He's the only person besides us in a better position to shit all over Alex Jones.

And that is the thing that he's not doing.

Yep.

God damn it.

So he gets another call.

Right.

This person is not one of our listeners.

And I think they are very unhealthy.

This sounds so scary.

Uh-oh.

I've been watching you forever

when

Trump first came on the scene, basically.

And me and my mom first started watching you.

And then my kids love you.

And they're six and seven years old.

Oh, wow.

That's awesome.

That's awesome.

They have a little, he's right here now, actually.

My little girls, they have a little Owen.

His name is Owen.

It's like a beanie baby, which you know because we're the same age.

A beanie baby name.

Yeah, he is a rainbow owl, beanie baby Owen, and Owen watches Owen every day

at the TV.

Wow, and they love you.

Yeah,

this is deeply upsetting.

Stop!

They're too young.

Be responsible, Owen.

Be responsible.

You're not on Infowars anymore.

You can just say, lady, no.

This type of content is not, it's for adults.

It's not for six and seven-year-olds to be watching every day

naming naming their beanie baby after fucking Owen.

Man, that's going to be a fun.

That's going to be a fun two truths in a lie icebreaker that those kids are going to have in college.

Hopefully, they don't remember.

Yeah, that'd be nice.

So here's my hope.

Yeah.

Owen ends up getting to talk to these kids.

Yeah.

And I actually kind of.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

The kids go on the.

Well, not really.

Right.

Because they might not actually exist.

Okay.

I'm rewriting this entire call

as a person who is imagining having kids.

I like this.

Owen wants to talk to you.

Okay, they're ready.

Did you guys have a good labor day?

Say, mom made us do school because we homeschool.

Oh.

That's why we watch Owen every day.

That's why we watch you every day.

Wow.

Did you guys learn?

You guys learned today?

Yep.

See,

we teach cursive.

You're our news.

It seems like

it seems like they're a little shy.

Are they a little shy right now?

They're shy.

They're making Owen talk to you.

Here's an easy one.

Here's one for you.

Do they have a favorite food?

Yeah.

What's your favorite food?

Are you going to tell Owen?

They're very, very, very shy.

If they met you in person, different story.

Smash cut to her talking to a mop.

I was, here's what I had.

I had in my mind a very pristine couch with all the beanie babies on it that she's talking to.

And she's like, this one's Owen.

This one's my child.

You know, that's, yeah.

It's crazy that that is preferable to imagine to six and seven-year-old

watching Owen every day.

I want her brain to be melted and I want those kids to be fine.

I want all of them to be fake.

Yeah, exactly.

Yep.

So

she

has another thing that she likes, and that is music.

Okay.

And so she and Owen talk about how music is going to be an important part of his new all-news show.

Can't afford music.

I'll give you a little teaser.

Can't afford anything.

I intend to make music a big part of the show going forward.

It's not going to be like...

Spring my childhood.

It's not going to be like

nothing is really going to change, but it's like the musical element is going to be a very important element you're going to get a little bit you're going to get a little bit of an itch scratched if you like music um and we're probably

we're we're going to do a little more of a cultural thing with like pop culture like i'm going to do movie reviews like so news friday oh you want to watch a movie with your family you're going to do news watch this like what's good what's bad so we'll do a little bit of that no

if you're if you're listening if you're listening and you haven't heard a song in 20 years you're gonna hear it and you're like oh my gosh if you're listening and

you hear a song that you have never heard and you're like, what is this amazing sound?

I'm going to introduce you to new music.

So I do intend to make that a very big part of the show because I think you're talking about NPR.

Or MTV in the 90s.

I'm Matt Pinfield.

It's ridiculous.

So he's going to quickly learn that you can't put ads on shows that use copyrighted material without permission.

Hipping people on alternative rock bands from the late 90s is great, but if you don't have the rights to these songs, that's going to be a huge problem.

Also, this show's supposed to be three hours of news.

I thought everyone was too into commentary and not serious enough, but now we got family movie reviews and music recommendations.

Like, Owen just wants to be a morning DJ from the time he was a kid.

Yep, that's all he apparently wants to do, whatever's the show that he's describing doing.

Yeah, but I guess he didn't want to do a morning show, he wanted to be in the afternoon, but he wanted to be an afternoon zoo.

I mean,

I get it.

I know, I've, you know, we've known morning news people or morning radio people in the past, and they tell stories about waking up at 3 a.m.

and going into just do a meeting.

That sucks.

Yeah, it's awful.

I get why you're not doing that, but also that's the only time to do that.

Yep.

And I think that something about the insanity of being up that early,

it gives you permission

to maybe talk to a public.

And

everybody's just in their car.

They're not any happier to be there.

So they're just looking for anything to get them out of that this car isn't moving right now.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But I just think that's maybe his dream.

And it's sad that it just doesn't exist anymore.

Yeah, I mean, that's a fine dream.

It's just not available to you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And

the ultimate irony is the only place it probably was available to him was InfoWars.

He could have just been like, Alex, let someone else take over the war room.

I'll do a more, like, I'll do a morning show or I'll turn the war room into like a cool radio show,

recommendations, music stuff.

Every time Alex was thinking, we got to go 24 hours, here's the type of show we're doing.

He's not saying, I want to add straight news.

He's saying, I want to add a painting show.

Owen, that's a morning zoo shit.

Yeah.

He walked away from, or was fired from, the only place he conceivably could do the thing he wants to do.

Every single thing that he has done is in avoidance of the only thing that he should be doing.

And that's hilarious to me.

In every way, every decision we see him making is like,

it's exactly like the decisions from God.

It's like, oh, God told me to quit.

God told me to quit.

God is telling you to do so many things right now, and you are doing none of them.

Yeah.

So this next

call, I'm going to apologize in advance for this because this is a little self-indulgent.

Okay.

This is another one of our listeners.

Because nobody else is watching.

No, that's not true he does get a fair amount of calls from his actual fans i don't want to i don't want to make it look like the only people calling in are fucking

but it's hey what are we doing here and look this clip is long but it needs to be for a full context okay and because there's a payoff a little bit later in the episode and man it's worth it okay um so anyway here is the very suspiciously named jordan friesen

hey uh jordan friesen i'm from chicago all right jordan go ahead.

Hey, Owen, longtime fan.

I've just got to ask you, who's going to destroy the cucks now over at InfoWars?

I don't know.

It's not my problem anymore.

I cannot.

Not my problem.

Hey, so I had a question, actually, about something that that old drunk boss of yours did to you.

Okay.

When you were doing the Sandy Hook bit there, was it him who told you you had to bring it up and tried to make you the fall guy there?

Well,

this all came out in court, so it's not like I'm breaking any news here, but I guess you would have to have read all the documents.

Yeah, the deck mentions with Bill Ogden.

And actually, I kind of

was revisiting this a couple days ago because I think somebody else had some legal thing that they were asking me about.

The two instances

where I covered that,

both times those stories were brought to me.

So, no, I did not decide to cover those things.

They were brought to me to cover.

Sounds like he made you do it.

No, well, that's not accurate.

No, no, no, no.

That's not accurate either.

Now,

I don't recall the exact transaction because you have to understand, I was still new.

I was still the new guy on the block at the time.

And so, when I'm told to cover a story, you know, I do it.

I'm a new guy.

And so, yeah, I did it.

I don't remember the transaction or how, you know, who brought it to me or why or who said it.

But, no, I do know that, yeah, those were not stories I chose to cover.

Those were stories that were brought to me to cover.

It always just sounded fishy that that's when the statute of limitations,

you know, it had already expired.

Then he kind of has the new guy do it.

It always felt like he was kind of throwing you under the bus thing.

Yeah, I mean, it never felt that way.

I think, though, you have to understand,

and

I tried to explain this earlier, and I can now too, but maybe a little more detailed.

Like, you have to understand, folks, that

the info war, as info wars, as a concept, as a,

let's say, intellectual theory,

it's not an empty word.

It's serious.

Alex seriously means that.

And the reason why, I mean, look,

I always compare it to the Last Dance documentary because it's just true.

You know, Alex is like Michael Jordan.

And so unless you are a true believer and unless you have the true vision and unless you're willing to do whatever he wants you to do, you know, you're going to hate it.

You don't want to play for the Bulls.

You don't want to work for Alex Jones.

So unless you're willing to accept that mission and know, you know, at InfoWars, it's okay.

You're going into battle.

Now, I'm not comparing myself to anybody that's done tours.

Let's just be clear.

But like Wednesday, and you may have missed this, but I said this earlier.

So I'll kind of use this as an example.

On Wednesday, I don't know if you were paying attention, but we basically broke the story of the trans shooter.

We did that.

I would say with 98% confidence that if we don't do that, you probably today don't know it was a trans individual, don't know the identity, don't see the manifestos, the videos, none of it.

You probably don't have any of that without Infowars.

I would say 98% true that's the case.

Now,

we knew when we got that exclusive at about 10 o'clock or 9 o'clock before the show, Alex wasn't in studio, I was, but I talked to Alex.

He said we got the exclusive.

And, you know, I've already been through this.

There's nothing good that comes out of us covering these things.

Never.

Never has been.

Not one time.

I get burned every single time.

And I've been censored because of it.

I've been sued because of it.

There's a good chance they're going to hit me like Jones.

in another case just like that that I was never allowed to talk about.

I was always told, never talk about it.

So I'll talk about it now.

Yeah, they're trying to jones me right now.

They could hit me for $10 billion that I don't have.

So I'm in a legal defense for that.

Totally, totally illegitimate case against me.

Totally BS.

We're trying to get it dismissed.

It's not a cheap legal battle.

I'm funding it all by myself.

And I'm funding it all by myself, by the way.

I've had to fund the whole thing myself.

It's not fun for a story that I didn't want to cover.

Wasn't even on my show.

And I get sued for it, but whatever.

So Wednesday comes along, it's like, all right, everyone knows we're going to get burned.

If we break this story, we're going to get burned.

And I said, fine, I'm getting in the co-pilot seat in the Millennium Falcon with Alex Jones again, and we're going to take down another Death Star.

And we're going to do it.

And I know I'm going to ride into the fire with Alex, and I'm going to get burned.

But all right, let's go one more time.

So we friggin did it.

And what happens?

Before I'm even off air, multiple headlines.

Owen Schroyer celebrates mass shooting.

Owen Schroyer celebrates dead kids.

Total lie.

Totally illegitimate.

And yes, for the people that reported that, I will be suing you too.

I'll go ahead and announce that.

Yeah, you're going to be sued.

Okay?

So that's how that works.

That's how it works.

I knew that.

Yeah.

All right, fine.

So it's like, that was my last dance.

Okay.

Last dance?

Generally speaking, I ignore most instances of callers who bring up our show and are very clearly trolling Infowars folks in some way that might be inspired by our show.

But I've made a decision to forget that policy for today.

One reason is this is Owen's own stream, so I don't know if I care about people bothering him.

The reason I asked people not to call into Alex's show initially was about two major points.

One, I wanted to understand what Alex's worldview was, and if I had tons of people trolling him and baiting him into having meltdowns, it was going to be so much more difficult for me to figure out where he was coming from and what these beliefs were.

It's a bad experiment if you've got all that.

Yeah, it taints everything.

Exactly.

And then two, people like Alex and Owen don't operate from sincere places.

so arguing with them is counterproductive.

Asking them questions and taking their answer seriously is a fool's game, so I caution people away from thinking that they could get an actual debate going.

Both of these concerns are honestly mostly gone now.

I understand what Alex's ideology is.

I've spent years listening to him and reading the primary documents that he cites, and I get it.

Calling into his show and fucking with him can't really get in the way of me learning anything anymore, so if anyone was holding back on that count, I don't think they should worry about it.

Yeah, go for it.

Yeah.

Not on my behalf.

I won't be bothered.

I still think that it's unproductive to engage with these folks directly.

And I think that malicious trolling is just inherently unhealthy for you to engage in for your own sake.

Yeah.

But people are going to do what they're going to do.

I think that Infowars has been spared from a ton of harsh feedback and trolls because people were being courteous to me, and I thank them for that, but I also don't care anymore.

I also think that another element of this is that it's also like, you know, there was one person who was trolling Alex at an abortion protest.

Yeah.

It was like, I want to eat my babies.

I love killing children.

Yeah.

And that's turned into an argument in favor of like

people who are interested in reproductive rights or murderers.

Sure.

You know, like it's easy for something you're fucking with him about to be turned into like something that works for him.

Yeah.

And it's good to be careful about that.

Yeah.

So the reason I played this clip in its entirety is because it was the only way I could convey the actual reason that it's interesting.

Even if this wasn't someone calling themselves Jordan Friesen, the way Owen responded to this question is revealing of something that I don't know if he realized what he said.

Yeah, I know, right?

Owen is talking about the coverage of this shooter as his last dance with Alex, and he's relating it to other times he's got sued for defaming people around mass shootings.

He knows that nothing good ever comes out of covering these things, and rushing out unverified information, that's got them sued in the past.

But Michael Jordan is telling him to put on his jersey, so he goes through that fire one more time.

In order for this to make any sense, one of two things has to be the case.

Either Owen has to think that the trans stuff about this recent shooter is possibly fake and that they were rushing out this story in order to push a narrative, or he has to think his past coverage of these kinds of cases was good, and the consequences he received from it was just the system punishing him for being too cool of an anchor.

In the past, when he's engaged in this same same behavior, where he's covered stories someone has just handed him about breaking news and mass shootings, Owen has accused Neil Heslin about lying about holding his son's body after the Sandy Hook shooting.

He's misidentified multiple mass shooters.

When he's gotten heat for his coverage on these stories, it's not because no one can talk about these things, it's because he fucked up and his coverage caused damage to people.

So when he's presenting this recent shooting coverage he did as one last dance with Alex, it's hard for me to believe that he thinks he's covering news seriously now unless he thinks that he did a good job all those times in the past.

And he can choose which one he wants, but I don't think that he can take the good side of both.

So, okay.

So, if you get inside the Millennium Falcon, right?

Sometimes, yes,

you do destroy the Death Star,

but sometimes you are also eaten by a caveworm on an

unmarked asteroid, right?

So, in both cases, one is admitting something about what's happened.

So, let's role play.

Yeah.

You and me, I'm Alex Eurowan.

We're getting in the Death Star.

I want to be Han Solo.

Yeah, of course, you can be Han Solo.

I'll be Chewbacca.

I want to be Chewa.

Wait, I want to be Chewbacca.

Okay, then I'll be the chessboard guy who goes,

I get to be Han Solo and Chewbacca.

God,

I'll be, I can't be C-3PO.

You don't make me.

I want to be C-3PO.

Fine shit.

I mean, R2-D2 doesn't even talk, man.

Bee boop, boop, boop, boop.

Are you him too?

Be boop.

Oh, God.

Wait.

Are you making me Leia?

So

Owen, I think, like, I really got the sense that

he is responding poorly to this caller.

He's not doing good.

This caller has put him on his back foot.

There are things like the bring up Bill Ogden's name.

Clearly, this person knows stuff.

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

So Owen's acting.

Too much stuff.

Right, to the point where Owen's like yelling over him.

This is not the vibe that the rest of this show has been.

It's very much like he's reverting into Alex.

Yeah, I'm hearing him use those.

So it's like, that was my last dance.

And then the next day, I'm hosting the show.

I got a great show.

I got three hours of content.

And then it's just some crazy thing with Alex interrupting again.

And it's just a whole, just, and I just was done.

I was like, so even after that, even after I go into battle again, even after I get burned again,

and I still can't even do my show the next day without dealing with it.

So it was just like, all right, whatever.

But I didn't want any of this to be public.

I wasn't going to talk about any of this.

You notice I've been silent.

I haven't said anything.

I was going to stay silent until I talked to Alex in person tomorrow and get it settled and go out positively.

And he said he didn't want to do that.

So that's why I'm doing this tonight.

But see, but that's, that's what I'm saying, folks.

Like,

some of you might be able to comprehend it.

But like InfoWars is a real thing.

We cross the Rubicon before everyone else.

We climb over the barbed wire and we bleed out, and then we let everyone else climb over our dead carcasses.

And so it just happened again on Wednesday.

Is anybody giving us credit?

No.

Does anybody care that we got burned for everybody else to wield the Promethean fire?

No.

That's part of the job.

That's part of the Infowar.

Awesome.

I signed up for it.

I'm all for it.

But then it's like the next day I can't even breathe.

The next day I can't even get the training wheels off my bike.

The next day I can't even go on air without a babysitter.

It's just like, all right.

So I just assume whatever.

Either he's not happy or he thinks he has to babysit me or I just don't want to do this.

But again, I didn't want to go public with any of this.

I was silent on all of this.

But then Alex didn't want me to come on air and promote my business, so I had to.

Right?

All I'm hearing here is a dude who feels undervalued.

Owen understands that he was taking a huge risk by being on air with Alex while he identified a mass shooter, and he's pissed off that Alex wouldn't see him agreeing to do this as a sign that he can stand on his own two feet.

Alex still needed to micromanage him the next day and poke around in his show, and that doesn't make Owen feel like a big boy.

I feel like he could have saved a lot of time and energy if he just said, I'm hurt.

Yep.

I was hurt.

This hurts me.

I feel like hurt my feelings.

There's no confidence.

I don't feel valued, and that's a big part of people's job is they like to feel like what they're doing is valuable.

Yeah.

And that requires me to say, I'm sorry, I cut you off with the clip.

Yeah.

By starting the clip.

No, I was, I was, I was, yeah, no, that's totally fine.

Um, I,

okay.

This is

maybe

the worst example of daddy issues I've seen through

right-wing media in a long time.

This is, because, because otherwise, why the fuck are you responding to this with, I knew we were going to get burned, and I chose to keep doing it, and I think that's good.

And then

the example of getting burned is like, there was a negative headline about you.

Yeah.

Who cares?

But I mean, the other example of getting burned is there's a billion-dollar lawsuit against you.

Right.

Which is a more important getting burned, I feel like, to learn from.

But, you know, the headlines hurt too.

Yeah.

I get it.

You know, pride is what it is.

But, like, this is just the time you go, this motherfucker's crazy.

Even if, even if you still believe in the, in all the stuff, right?

Even if you still believe in all the stuff, you don't, you don't have to say that Alex Jones isn't fucking crazy.

Well, I think that none of the stuff that none of these behaviors that he's manifesting or that are being described, even in the least generous interpretation of them, like,

they're not new.

No.

These are all things that Owen would have been seeing and experiencing for a while.

Yep.

Like, Alex has done the same behavior that's gotten him sued repeatedly.

He doesn't give a fuck.

He doesn't learn from his lessons.

Yep.

So, like, there is nothing about this story other than I couldn't put up with being underappreciated anymore.

So, I tried to lash out, and Alex said, beat it.

Yep.

50 bucks says if Alex called tomorrow, he'd take his job back.

I don't know.

You don't have to be right or wrong.

I'm just throwing that out there.

50 bucks.

The money line is by the end of two weeks.

Is he going to be back at Infowars?

I think Alex would need to recoup, like, give him some money for whatever he wasted on the world

independent news graphics and stuff like that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's sunk a little money into printing already.

So, like, I think whatever that is.

He went straight to printing?

You made like a microphone flag.

Oh, my God.

Which he obviously didn't do in the time between his call with Alex and the start of this stream.

Yeah, that's true.

So, this is clearly something he's been planning for a while.

Yeah.

Anyway,

he's a dick.

I hope he's got business cards.

Those are going to be very important.

Maybe one that says, like, Owen Schroyer, big shot.

Ooh, I like that.

Yeah.

So he just doesn't want people to think that he's attacking Alex.

Right.

That's really important, even though he's been directly attacking Alex repeatedly throughout this stream.

Again, I don't want this to come off as like a negative thing, folks.

I'm not trying to be a thorn in Alex's side.

I don't want to be.

I don't want to even, I don't want Alex to ever think of me again.

I don't want to.

I have nothing but respect and admiration and appreciation for Alex.

I'm not doing this as a negative thing.

I'm doing this because I have to.

I don't have a platform anymore.

I was told not to come in this week.

So this is the only platform I have.

I can't announce my, where else am I supposed to announce this?

Where else am I supposed to, this is it.

This is all I have.

I would have loved to do it on InfoWars.

I was told not to.

So I don't even want to be a thorn in Alex's side.

I don't want people to say that this is, oh, I'm attacking him or turning.

This is not what this is.

This makes total sense, but I think that Owen isn't willing to just be blunt about what he's saying.

He wanted to promote his new project to Alex's audience on InfoWars, and he was willing to play nice with him if Alex would let him do the next few days of the war room to land this plane gently.

Alex said no, which left Owen with nowhere to promote his shit.

And if he waited until tomorrow, Alex might have a chance to attack him on Inforz and control the narrative, so he needed to get this out immediately.

He had to do this, which might come off as a bit assholish because Alex wouldn't let him do it the nice way because he got fired.

Of all the things that you've learned from Alex, the one lesson that would help you right now is knowing that loyalty is the wrongest move in the history of ever in this world.

In this world, you attack the shit out of Alex, and then he might just give you what you want.

That's how crazy all of these people are.

Yeah, especially if in some way you become really valuable to him later.

If you become more important by attacking Alex, you're more likely to get back in Alex's good graces.

He's still going to fucking hate you, but he'll pretend not to and put that to the side.

Absolutely.

If it's profitable.

I'll make money.

Yeah.

He doesn't give a shit.

You cannot hurt him emotionally.

You can't get anything from him for being loyal.

The only thing he likes is obtaining people's admiration.

If he's already got it, then you're shit to him.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So our last caller was

old Jordan Friesen.

Ah, great guy.

And I don't know if there's any way to top that.

All right.

Next caller.

What's your name where you're from?

Do we have the next caller?

Dan Holmes.

I'm sorry.

We were breaking up.

Do we have you?

Dan Holmes.

Okay, Dan, go ahead.

Hey, I just actually had a question.

Is this going to make a good episode of Knowledge Fight?

Oh, I'm sure.

Yeah, you guys do.

You guys watch everything I do.

I mean, you are the one who said you were a puppet on your deposition, so this is really cool.

Go ahead, man.

Have it out.

Have your fun.

Go ahead.

I'm also the last caller.

You morons forgot to hang up on me.

You're the professional when really you pay yourself.

All right.

Well, I appreciate that.

I'm sure you mean it, too.

Next caller, what's your name where you're from?

Smooth.

That's good.

Oh, all right.

Whoever that is, Victory Lap.

Yeah,

I'll give a tip of the hat to that.

Absolutely.

Because that wasn't too mean, but it also wasn't taking Owen's responses seriously.

There wasn't a lot of danger in that as a prank call.

It was an appropriate way to poke.

Yeah.

Yep.

And I think, obviously, his response to the question,

is this going to make a good episode of Knowledge Fight?

You know what that means.

Yeah, bro.

Yeah, you know what that means.

You're supposed to not know what that means.

So that's fun.

It would help you a lot more if you didn't know what that means.

But then also,

he says that we watch all of the things he does.

And I think he is the InfoWars personality that I'm interested in the least.

I think we've...

I've almost never watched...

Like, I very rarely watched The War Room.

I can't really bear his boring ass.

I remember.

I remember for the first like 300 episodes, you would have listened to hours upon hours upon hours of this, but all the time you would be like, and then Owen Schroer showed up, up so I turned it off yeah if he was hosting it's like well I time to go skip gone yeah he just stinks like for a long time he was just doing an Alex impression and trying to be like him and then he kind of found his own footing but it was in service of being like a little blander and it just it he had nothing like Harrison was able to find his place as bookish dweeb Nazi yeah really fine yeah Chase found Brendan Energy real fast.

Instantaneous, the best guy there.

Yeah.

These people were able to find their niche.

And I think that, you know, in the same way that maybe somebody is a decently funny comic, but they're just doing like a tell or they're doing Hedberg.

Yeah.

You can't find their voice.

Yeah.

It makes them less interesting to watch.

And that has been my battle with Owen Troyer until the day he quit.

Today, buddy.

And now I'll do a fucking long-ass episode on a Wednesday.

Welcome to the future.

Welcome to the future.

Yeah.

Oh, boy.

So I mentioned Chase there.

Yeah.

Do you think he's CIA?

Oh, God.

I wish.

That would make, if he was an undercover anything, that would make Chase the most interesting person we've ever talked about.

What if he was an extra an undercover brother?

It would still make him pretty interesting, but not the most interesting person we've ever talked about.

I've listened to the story.

For sure.

So this caller wants to know if Chase is a CIA.

Next caller, what's your name?

Where you're from?

Hey, Olin.

Just learning now about everything that's kind of going on,

I was always wondering, what's your sentiment towards maybe Chase Geyser and all of this?

Everyone says he's a CIA asset and he's destroying it for horse.

Okay.

I'm not going to say anything negative about Chase.

I have had nothing but a positive experience with Chase.

I think we've probably, we've had like two or three times where maybe we had a, let's say, just a professional issue and we addressed it and cleared it in a day.

So, no,

I don't think Chase is any of that stuff.

I think Chase is a good person.

He's a great father.

He's a great husband.

I don't know his status right now, to be honest.

I don't even want to get into that.

I don't know what his status is.

But no, Chase actually did nothing.

So

I would love for him to have been asked if Owen had any feelings about Alex caring more about Chase than him.

Like, that's such a more interesting question.

Totally.

Like, did you feel like you were cast aside when this boy showed up?

Absolutely.

Did you see a spark in Alex's eye that you remembered seeing in 2016?

I mean, and it's a perfect thing to bring up right now when he's raw and he's so obsessed with not looking like exactly what he's going to look like if he has to respond to that question.

Oh.

So at the end there, Owen says says that he doesn't know Chase's status because there's been more shake-ups at Infowars.

After it came out that Owen quit, Chase tweeted, quote, I will not be hosting the war room.

I made a decision to work for Big Lee a month ago because I felt I could help Alex and Infowars more effectively by making the store as awesome as possible.

I moved to Arkansas a week ago.

What?

And just like that, Alex is left alone in a dark room with just his thoughts and Harrison Smith.

There wasn't a lot of talent in the building to start with, but this shit is falling apart pretty fast.

That's not what I expected.

Yeah.

I did not expect to hear that Chase was in Arkansas, but good for him.

Well, it makes sense.

I mean, he has more of like a marketing-y background

and that kind of shit.

And like, if I were in his position and Alex had put my name on the documents for the Alex Jones Network,

I would also start working for the real company as opposed to being an on-air doofus for Alex.

Like,

this is a way better job

position.

No, I mean, it's

like, it's, and it's perfect because it would be something to go do where you could sell it to Alex as being like, I'm on the inside now.

But then, if Alex actually needs anything, you're like, I don't work for you.

And guess what?

Joke's on you.

I'm your boss now.

Exactly, you idiot.

Why did you put it in my name?

I talked to a lawyer.

Working at Bigley

is ironically exactly what a CIA agent would do.

That is true.

Somebody who is trying to, say, follow the money.

Or someone who's trying to position himself in a place where he could really influence Alex.

Yeah, absolutely.

I don't think Jay's a CIA, but I think it's funny.

It's doubtful, but it'd be funny.

What if he was IRS?

What if he's an undercover IRS agent?

Now we're talking.

What if he's Liquor Patrol?

Oh,

there's no way that he'd survive Arkansas.

No.

So Owen describes his new show.

And again, this is all just direct

attacks on Alex.

But the three hours of news coverage, if you like my news coverage, Owen Report, October 6th,

three hours, 3 to 6 p.m.

in my style, in my delivery, the way I want to do news.

And that's how we're going to do it.

I'm not going to be doing the going out of business sales.

I'm not going to be doing the buy this product or everyone's going to die.

You know, I'm going to do a classic traditional style of a broadcast and we're going to have sponsors.

We'll do some other kind of new age stuff with subscriptions and other ways to fundraise.

But I really just want to do classical stuff.

So like I want to do a segment called the rant where I just do a five-minute rant and that'll have a sponsor.

I want to do a segment called the roast where I just roast somebody or a topic.

That'll have a sponsor.

I'll have a microphone sponsor, a studio sponsor, a phone line sponsor, some other segments and stuff.

And so that's how we're going to do it.

So that way you don't have to be inundated with ads all day long.

You don't have to be inundated with different live reads and sales pitches and sales techniques.

You're not going to deal with any of that.

It's going to be very straightforward.

It's going to be me delivering the news.

You don't have to deal with some guy trying to sell you a raffle for a truck.

You don't have to deal with somebody saying, hey, you get $10

on us.

Oh, my God.

I'm an asshole.

I love these types of conversations because I've had this type of conversation with people in the past who wanted wanted to start like their own franchise or you know stuff like this and it's like you're saying all this stuff because you're really confident that people blah blah blah blah blah but I will tell you this the reason that you are seeing all of this stuff is not because it does not work

it is precisely the opposite yeah it is because what you want to do does not work yeah that's it Alex does this shit because it's really lucrative it's how it works yeah yeah and and trying to operate in this media space other ways is suboptimal.

It's absurd.

But also, there's like

the issue, there's so much wrong here, but like there is a guy who's way too confident telling you this idea.

And I'm sitting here thinking, well, logistically, this isn't going to work.

Nope.

Like, you're not going to be able to magically make this studio and then create your own vibrant radio with four cameras,

rush.

This is the new rush.

It's not going to work.

But then, even like what he's describing, if executed perfectly, is not interesting.

Yep.

The like

every piece falls into place exactly right, and he creates a show where he talks about how there's cool music from the 90s, and he does a rant that's sponsored by somebody, and he does a roast.

Like, even if he does all of these segments, it's a boring show.

Yeah.

It's not cutting edge.

It's not doing anything new.

It's not exploring the format.

And I think that that's like a compounding of how sad this is.

Like, it's sad in a delusional way, but it's also sad in a like, even if you pull this off, you fail.

Yeah.

Like, it still sucks.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, what you might as well be saying is like, I want to go back in time.

I wish, I wish.

I wish things had gone differently.

That's another way of putting what it is you're saying.

You're saved at that sports station.

Yeah, absolutely.

I wish I'd just gotten really into baseball.

Maybe it was a dumb idea to go film yourself antagonizing people at protests and thinking it's a career.

Yeah, but to learn that would be very devastating.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So there's a theme that runs through a number of calls, and that is the question of whether or not Owen got fired because he was talking too much shit about Israel.

Right.

And Alex doesn't like that.

Right.

This is something that people really want to know about.

Okay.

Well, first of all,

are you under the impression that I've had to censor my Israel coverage because I was at Infowars?

It felt like Alex had

he wanted to keep a positive spin with Trump.

Well, okay.

I would say I didn't really censor anything.

I would say that I took, you know, I took into account that Alex didn't like all the Israel stuff, but I still covered it, you know, as I saw it, but probably I probably liked, I probably didn't spend as much time on it, maybe.

I don't know.

You know, as far as the negativity about Trump thing, I always called it as it was about Trump, and that's why he was always coming into the studio and saying I was negative or a pessimist or all this other stuff.

In that very short clip, Owen said that he never censored his coverage of Israel, but also that he didn't cover it as much as he would have on his show because Alex didn't like it.

These are contradictory statements.

Further, he's saying that he never censored himself about Trump, but that because he said the things he did, Alex created a hostile work environment that was so uncomfortable that he stormed off his show and quit his job of almost 10 years.

That's very obviously an attempt on Alex's part to exert censorship pressure.

And I'm certain this isn't an isolated incident.

Owen probably just really didn't care that much about going along with it all the other times because Infowars wasn't about to go out of business back then.

People gain a lot of backbone when the checks are clearly about to start bouncing.

And

it's not worth it to play along anymore.

It can't be.

And maybe,

arguably,

maybe it never was, depending on how you view time.

I would certainly say it never was.

Right.

But.

I mean, you know, you probably had some really good dinners, though.

Yeah.

So in the moment, at those times, it was probably worth it.

You got to smoke a cigar with Eddie Bravo, talk about how the Earth is flat.

Yeah.

Yeah, I'm sure there were a bunch of experiences that you're going to be happy with.

Yeah.

And it makes a great scrapbook yeah but you're not going to be in the media now nope nope nope nope so he gets another call from someone else who wants to know about you sure that alex didn't

fire you over israel right

final question now it had nothing to do with you

coming out against israel coming out speaking out against that whole power struggle It had nothing to do with it, right?

You mean where their ideological differences?

Yeah,

no, no.

No, I mean, look, I do think that, I do think, well,

how can I put it?

I guess I would say it like this.

There's things that Alex Jones is allowed to do on air that I guess I'm not, right?

Yeah, no shit.

So when Alex, when Alex talks about, you know, oh, we're all going to die in World War III, that's okay.

But if I come out and say something negative about Trump, I'm too pessimistic.

So, okay, you know, whatever.

There were definitely, I do think,

I think Alex looks at it like this.

Because at the end of the day, I am a bit of a representative of him, right?

I mean, he still signs my checks.

I still work for him.

So, I mean, we have a huge audience.

He knows people in D.C.

in the White House, and people are tuning in.

And so, I think he gets a little afraid that I might say something that might look bad on him from people in D.C.

that he's trying to win favor with, perhaps.

So, you know, I guess I get that.

And I don't want to be that guy.

If that's how I am for him, then I don't want to be that guy.

But no, that's not, that's not what led to this

did he get upset that i was too negative or pessimistic yes did we have it out on air a couple times in private a couple times yes uh that's not what this is about i mean alex didn't fire me guys this was like a i you might call it a mutual parting you might i wanted this to happen in a positive way at infowars and he didn't so that's really the only

That's really the only thing here.

It's a big thing, though.

Let me ask you a question.

So what you're saying is that I wanted to go to work,

but the person who allows or disallows me to go to work said you are no longer invited to work here.

Right, but the reason that I wanted to go to work wasn't really to do the work, it was to promote my new business.

Right.

I was sort of freelancing a little bit, right?

Right, right.

So, that still sounds like you've been fired.

Only this time it's because you were going to waste company time.

I wanted to go to work after I had stormed out

and then just not showed up on Friday.

I wanted to come back to steal the copier.

Right.

But then my boss said, don't come in.

And so I think it was mutual.

I think it was pretty mutual.

I want to say it was pretty mutual.

What a fucking asshole.

You know, here's what I've always found.

I've always found that even if something is inconvenient or distasteful, it's just not admitting the truth or not speaking the truth makes you anxious.

Like, listen to the way he's like, well,

I mean, I wasn't censored.

I wasn't just be like, you know, we all make compromises at work, buddy.

Sometimes I was censored.

I bet you are too.

Anyways, next.

Yeah, I think that's difficult when you've spent 10 years working at a place that has URLs like censored.tv and banned.video.

I think your brand is a little tarnished by that.

You know?

So these callers are really pushing this whole idea about like, are you sure it wasn't Brad Israel?

Because they want the answer to be that Alex fired Owen for his coverage on Israel stuff.

That would validate the whole Alex works for the Jews narrative, and it would help solidify solidify Owen as a true believer that they could count on.

That's why this answered question keeps getting asked, because it's not a question.

It's an offer.

These people are offering Owen a chance to be like, would you like to open the door, step on in through the door, we're all here waiting.

Yeah, you have exited the controlled opposition mothership or whatever.

You can come over here now if you want.

It's a surprise party.

Yeah.

Also, what Owen is describing in that clip is Alex exerting a shocking level of editorial control over his staff in order to make sure that what they say is pleasing to the people in power.

The idea that Alex would micromanage Owen's show because he was worried about what his powerful friends in Washington would say is really dark.

And I think that Owen should see that as a huge problem.

The fact that he can kind of be like, nah, what are you going to do?

It's not that bad while describing this is insane.

See, this is what I'm saying.

Whenever you just accept the truth for what it is, you just remove so much anxiety about it.

Like, oh, Alex is doing this all for his powerful people in Washington.

How about that?

There you go.

Well, then stop putting on some pretense about how you're the truth news.

But I'm going to be America's anchorman

when I do the rant.

Sponsored by Target.

That's going to get you rush numbers.

Doing the rant.

The rant.

A five-minute rant sponsored by a fucking

dishwasher company.

Fuck you and your naysaying.

And

here's why.

You're wrong.

Why?

Because he's going to do a roast segment.

And I don't know if you know this,

but Owen has met Tony Hinchcliffe.

And he is a roast guy.

So we have one last clip here, and it's Owen impressing a caller and talking about how he met Tony Hinchcliffe.

Oh, my God.

Were you actually on the Kill Tony show, or were you just a guest in the audience?

No, no, I was just a VIP guest.

Oh, that's awesome.

Yeah.

I was excited to say, were, if you were on the guest panel on the show, oh my gosh.

That'd be fun.

Yeah, especially with your new,

sorry, my heart is beating out of my chest.

Let me take a deep breath.

Yeah, just calm down.

I'll say this while you're catching your wind here,

Tony was a really nice guy, really an awesome guy.

And I've been around enough celebrities to know, and I get it, but like most celebrities, most people with that level of following or fame, like they don't want to deal with people.

They don't.

And I get it.

You never know who you're talking to, taking a picture with, you just never know, whatever.

Um,

and so he had an after-party, and he was there the whole time.

He was there the whole time talking to people, meeting people, uh, having drinks, having smokes.

I mean, just totally down to earth, great guy.

Um, so I have nothing but positive things to say about Tony Hinchcliffe.

He was a real class act, really enjoyed his show.

And then afterwards, he's just a real great guy.

That is so awesome, man.

Especially with you announcing your new roast segment, if you were to make a special appearance on Kill Tony and do one of his shows one time in the future, oh my gosh, that would be totally epic.

I'd love to do that.

Maybe we can get there.

Yeah, the roast.

You know, an ideal sponsor would be a coffee company, right?

The roast, you know, sponsored by a coffee company.

But we'll see.

We'll see where it goes.

But yeah, I mean, I just look at, yeah, that's going to be one of the segments.

That's going to be one of the bits that I do.

I'll just do a five-minute.

I'll just roast somebody.

I mean, mean, just going to roast them or an idea or something.

But yeah, that's what we're going to do.

That's going to be one of the fun things that we do.

This is almost too perfect.

Alex has always been so desperate to be best friends with Joe Rogan, and now Owen is bragging about hanging out with Tony Hinchcliffe.

It's the circle of life, Jordan.

It is, it needs to, the wheel of time must be broken, damn.

It's accidental poetry.

We must destroy them.

This is catching a rat live on air.

It's just everything.

It's ah.

Oh, my God, Tony fucking Hinchcliffe.

Why not?

That roast segment's going to rule.

I am going to start a fucking coffee company so I can sponsor that to get Owen to roast you.

I love...

Listen, I love it, right?

We spend a decade doing stand-up comedy.

It is actually very, very hard to write good roast jokes.

It's very difficult.

Not if people are going to laugh at you saying a coffee company

with my roast jokes.

Exactly.

I think that's.

You're essentially saying, I have no ability to do this.

It'll be funny to watch this trash.

Or

the room is so easy.

The level.

The expectation of what you all will think is funny is so low.

I bet he's not even going to write it.

I bet he's going to think that he can just improvise five minutes of roasting.

I bet Tony Hinchcliffe's going to write it.

Oh, God.

Is Tony Hinchcliffe that famous now?

I mean, he did the Trump Nazi rally in Madison Square Garden.

Is that really famous?

No, I mean, Kill Tony is huge, I guess, in certain circles.

Brutal.

Brutal.

What are we doing?

I don't know.

I don't know.

But I hope.

I don't hope that Owen's Zucrew fantasy comes true.

But yeah, I kind of lost interest in...

Things got quite repetitive.

Yeah.

Like I said, I made it to about hour four of the five-hour stream, and I was just kind of like, I don't think you're saying anything new anymore.

This is just going in circles.

That's a good way to describe his next show.

I don't think you're saying anything new, and it's going in circles.

Yep.

Yeah,

I don't, I mean, it's a monumentous occasion.

You know, he's gone.

Yep.

In theory.

Right.

Unless it's all a prank.

We'll see in two weeks.

We got 50 bucks on it.

But yeah.

I just, words fail me in this, in this, like, this moment of such real gravity.

You know, we saw David Knight go.

We did.

We were there to witness that, but

it felt right just because David Knight was just a weird old man who was just there sometimes.

So you kind of figure him staying or leaving, because he wasn't even in Austin, right?

No, he was.

Oh, he was?

Yeah.

Well, either way, he was at nothing.

Yeah.

You know?

He seemed like a strange quantity at Infowars because he's an old man, doesn't yell all that much.

But, you know, there's a certain irony in that, like, David Knight is kind of doing or has done what Owen thinks he's going to do.

Yeah.

Like, he did do more boring, dry news anchor kind of stuff.

Like, David Knight was a more restrained personality that you could describe as an anchor on

InfoWars.

And he failed.

Yep.

And once he left, there is only a relevance to be found.

I think it's a teachable thing for Owen.

If he wants any relevance, he needs to be himself.

Yep.

And if he wants to stay in this space, he needs to be

guck destroyer, guck slaying, going out, rallies,

fighting with people, maybe wearing a silly hat.

Yeah.

Dry newsman for three hours isn't going to work.

Roasts suck.

Rants suck.

These aren't interesting segments.

I've got advice straight from the Bible.

Yeah.

All right.

The hot and cold, right?

Go hot or go cold.

Go as hard as you've ever gone against Alex or go so cold that you just try and change your name and go to a radio station to do sports.

Yeah.

Anything in between is a failure and you're going to fail.

Yep.

That's why God hates the lukewarm because they suck.

But again, there'll be like a period where it probably isn't going to feel like it's a disaster.

That's what faith is for.

Right.

This is misguided faith.

Anyway, happy travels.

Happy Labor Day.

See you in hell, asshole.

Yep.

Yep.

Fuck off.

Maybe the last time we ever talk about this guy ever again.

Or maybe I'll watch every episode of his dumb roast chew.

Oh my God.

But yeah, we'll be back with another episode about

what Info Wars is like A.D.

Oh, boy.

Post-Troy.

After departure of the ding-dong.

The secondary ding-dong.

Viacon Dios.

We'll be back.

But until then, we have a website.

Indeed, we do.

Knowledgefight.com.

And it's unfortunately not WinNetwork.com or theOwenReport.com, which was also available.

But it was $500,

and that also was too expensive for a joke.

Crazy.

He might be able to get that one.

Yep.

Anyway, we'll be back.

But until then, I'm Neo.

I'm Leo.

I'm DZX Clark.

I am the Mysterious Professor.

Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo.

And now here comes the sex robots.

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.

Thanks for holding.

Hello, Alex.

I'm a first-time caller.

I'm a huge fan.

I love your work.

I love you.