#1075: September 3, 2025

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Hello, Alex.

I'm a fish-time caller and we're here to fan.

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Hey, everybody.

Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.

I'm Dan.

I'm Jordan.

We're a couple dudes.

Like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

Oh, indeed we are, Dan.

Jordan.

Dan.

Jordan.

Quick question for you.

What's up?

What's your boys about today, buddy?

Why don't you go first?

Well, I think mine is fairly obvious.

Welcome back.

The New York

Mayoral rate is basically.

Beating up.

You got a first-hand glimpse.

It's on-the-ground politics.

I know that you did some man-on-the-street interviews talking to people about Cuomo.

No, it wasn't Cuomo.

It was

his name.

Mom Dani?

Yes, Mom Dani.

That's what it is.

Because he was on a town hall with Bernie Sanders and they were talking about stuff that real people think is important.

Good.

Yeah,

it was good.

As a resident of Chicago, the New York mayor is important to me.

Huge.

You know me.

I've always been like a big mayor head.

I just like mayors all across the yeah.

No, the U.S.

Open was great.

Yeah.

It was a fantastic time.

You had a nice trip.

Yep.

Fantastic.

Couldn't have gone better.

Big Apple.

Could not have gone better.

Everything, we Mr.

Magooed our way through everything where it just seemed like as long as we just move forward and don't bother anybody, everything will go smooth.

And it did.

It was perfect.

You're not going to fall off the side of this building because the beam is going to land.

Exactly.

It just goes right there and we just keep walking

as long as you don't stop.

Because once you stop, then stuff is going to hit you.

You just got to keep going.

I can't imagine that Mr.

Magoo is a relevant reference for anybody.

Do you mean a cartoon that was irrelevant when I was young?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think that is

a three generations removed cartoon that I really like.

Jim Bacchus, ladies and gentlemen.

Does anybody want to really get into Tex Avery's...

Did they make a Mr.

Magoo movie?

They could not possibly.

What could possibly sustain a movie for Mr.

Magoo?

Him doing a bunch of crazy dumb shit.

Mr.

Beaning it up, but he's also an old man who

laughs around a little bit.

I feel like he's got one defining characteristic.

He's blind and he moves forward.

Yeah, no, but is he blind?

Yeah.

Isn't that the idea?

I guess he is.

Well, he's not fully blind.

I guess that's why it's okay for us to not make fun of him or something.

Yeah.

There was a movie.

What happened?

Was it live action?

It's starring Leslie Nielsen.

That sounds right.

From 1997.

Wild.

A myopic billionaire defeats jewel smugglers in his usual bumbling manner.

That's the description on IMDb.

Fair enough.

Mr.

Magoo, a nearsighted elderly gent whose visual impairment leads him on all sorts of adventures and odd situations.

Right.

That's another description.

I appreciate, again, that the plot around which this entire character is based is that he cannot see well, and so things happen.

He's nearsighted, so he gets into all sorts of scrapes.

I think that's why I have just identified with him my entire life, is I am also very nearsighted, and I get into a lot of scrapes.

I'm looking up this movie,

and we also are featuring Ernie Hudson,

Steven Taubolowski, and Malcolm McDowell, all three people who featured on Heroes.

Do you know what I like about Malcolm McDowell in that era?

He'll do anything.

Everywhere.

He will be anywhere.

Yep.

He was great.

He was available.

So, yeah, he played Mr.

Linderman on the Heroes.

Just re-watch that.

That was a lot of fun.

I believe you.

What was your bright spot?

I don't know.

I got to,

you know, I got to re-watch Heroes while you were gone.

Hence why I have Stephen Tobolowski, Ernie Hudson, and

Malcolm McDowell on the brain.

No,

that was fun.

I took a little bit of me time while you were on your trip to New York and just did some dumb shit and checked out of the InfoWars world.

Nice.

Like I've told you before we started recording, I dipped my toe back into Path of Exile 2.

Yeah.

I'm having some fun with that.

Yeah.

Watched heroes.

Yeah.

No, it's great.

It's funny that there's this weird incentive I have to take vacations because as long as I'm gone, you will finally not be listening to InfoWars.

So it's a dual-purpose thing.

I get to not be here, and I finally get you away from that.

It's like a mental health break.

Well, you have an opportunity for me to get away from it.

I don't always take that opportunity.

That is true.

But this time I did.

And

yeah.

Nice.

Good times.

Good times.

But now we're back.

We are back.

Yes, we're back.

And we were spoiled right before your trip.

Yeah.

With a wealth of Owen Troyer has quit, and everyone has feelings about it.

Contact.

Yep.

Yep.

And now we're back to the real world where, you know, the dust has settled.

Right.

We're going to be talking about September 3rd, 2025 today.

Okay.

And that is the next day.

Right.

This is day one of post-Owen Infowars.

We've moved on.

We're in the P.O.

box, if you will.

Okay.

We're in poi.

Yeah.

Post-Owen InfoWars.

Yep.

Jam up that tarot route.

We're making poi.

We're making poi.

All right.

So we'll check in and see how Alex is emotionally dealing with the fact that his buddy is gone.

Probably great.

He's so good.

He's cool.

Okay.

Doesn't care at all.

No.

But first, before we get into this, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.

Ooh, that's a great idea.

So first, welcome to the family, Te Pache, and good luck for this winter season on the slopes of Niseiko.

You're a wonderful little rabbit deer monster, and you'll help Tom and Tokyo karate chop Alex right in the neck if he ever dares show his face out here.

Pull up, fess up, and don't be a fuck-up.

Thank you so much.

You're an Iowa policy wonk.

I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much.

I believe that they karate chop you in China when you get off the plane.

Some places.

Yeah, this is the lore is wrong here.

Not everywhere.

Not in Tokyo.

No, no, no.

China.

Completely different.

Next, come to Atlanta, you Yankee cowards.

Thank you so much.

You're an Ah Policy Wonk.

I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much.

I'm going to come and find those pyramids.

Absolutely.

This will happen eventually.

It's probable.

Next, safe in the tentacles of Jesus.

Thank you so much.

You're an Aho Policy Wonk.

I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

And we had a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.

So thank you so much to the big black bug bleeds black blood.

Fuck the government.

Support fine folks like Jordan and not the landlords like Hassan Piker.

Love from a knowledge fighter in China.

Thank you so much.

You're an aow technocrat.

I'm a policy wonk.

Four stars.

Don't honk your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.

Daddy Sharp.

Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

He's a a loser,

little kitty baby.

I don't want to hate black people.

I renounce Jesus Christ.

To be fair, I just want to be clear.

I cold read these shout-outs that Jordan sends me.

I don't know enough about Assan Piker to have a strong feeling.

Please do not take that as a sentiment that I want to start a fight with him.

I don't know anything.

Here's what I take away from this: is that if we do a live show in China, there will be people who are waiting, and they will karate chop us.

I think it was Tom from Tokyo with the karate chop.

The China person, the Chinese listener,

they know what they're doing.

Hassan.

They're ready.

They're ready.

Oh,

it's always there.

It's always available.

Yep.

So I guess we'll be in

Wuhan and Atlanta in the future.

That's possible.

Yeah.

So like I said, this is the first day of...

the rest of Alex's life.

Right, right, right, right.

It's just him and Harrison left, a bunch of losers hanging out on a sinking ship.

But I think that Alex tries to be poised, and he tries to be like, well, I have a job to do.

Right.

Yeah.

So let's do a show.

Okay.

They had 98.9% until

Trump got back in.

And in just seven months, now it's down to about 97.

By the end of the year, they're saying it'll be about 90% control.

He's talking about the Chinese government and control of the rare earth minerals

in the world.

Okay.

Then another year at acceleration rates, rates, it'll be in the 70s.

So that is something very strategic Trump's doing.

And for new listeners or folks that are leftists or whatever

and don't seem to understand basic science and things, rare earth minerals is all of the different alloys and all the different compounds and all the different

things

that go into electronics.

The rare earth.

Silver is a big one everybody knows about, but there are hundreds of others.

And China has

97%

control.

So, from that clip, I really feel like Alex knows what rare earth minerals are.

He definitely doesn't sound like someone who's decided to condescendingly explain something and then immediately realized he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Rare earth minerals are a group of 17 metallic elements that are generally used in technological applications.

Their name is kind of misleading because they all aren't super rare.

Some of them are, but they're not all crazy rare.

Sure.

They're all just structurally similar to an element called

lathanium or lathanum.

Scientists were working on a newly discovered ore and trying to isolate cerium.

And in the process, they discovered lanthanum.

So it got its name from the Greek verb that means to lie hidden.

That's what lanthanum comes from.

Gotcha.

The elements that have similar properties to lanthanum are likewise seen as sneaky, like they're hiding behind other elements and compounds, which is where the name rare earth elements comes from.

Gotcha.

Rare, like

hidden as opposed to rare as silver.

Rare, right?

Yes.

Some of them are super common, like cerium, but they're difficult to extract and refine into usable forms.

China has absolutely cornered this market, partially through some pretty exploitative deals with foreign countries, but also through a lack of robust competition.

The only example Alex gave in his clip there was silver, which isn't a rare earth mineral.

No.

All All of the rare earths, they're silver in appearance, which is where this confusion probably comes from.

And Alex sells silver.

Yeah, that's very

rare earth mineral production and refinement is an expensive process and one that no one really wanted to do.

It wasn't worth the investment when these things didn't have profitable applications.

So China was able to build up what is now an effective monopoly over the course of decades.

Right.

In the 80s, there was less need for elements that would make iPhone screens possible.

So there weren't a ton of people trying to fight China over what appeared to be an investment that wasn't making a good return.

Right.

Like, countries just kind of gotten to a place where it's like, well, that's a money hole.

Yeah.

And if China is going to make enough of these things at a loss for them that we can still buy the thing from them, that's worth it.

Right, right.

It's perfectly explainable through market forces.

I bet this will never come back to bite us.

Yeah.

Alex is just making up numbers about China's China's control over the rare earth mineral market, going from 98% to 97%.

That's all just bluster.

Sure.

It was announced recently that China's exports of rare earths dropped 3.4% in August 2025, which may be what Alex is basing these numbers on.

But that's not taking into account that prior to that dip, China's rare earth exports hit record highs in July, going up 14.5% year over year from 2024.

In effect, their rare earth exports have increased since Trump took office, and Alex is reporting the opposite because he's a liar.

Right.

So, I mean, it's a complicated issue.

It's not like

it's not something that, you know, a lot of things that Alex talks about are like, well, you don't even need to ever think about this.

Yeah.

But

the way that the, you know, Chinese companies and, you know, the government's influence through those companies has a pretty solid lock on a lot of these minerals.

No, I think

it's a relevant world issue.

No, it's it's I mean I thought it's probably never going to be relevant to me on account of my inability to understand most of it.

But I find it very interesting.

I find it interesting nonetheless because it is one of those like how about that kind of stories of there are there's just a way things work and then this unfolds and now here we are and we're like, ah, I wish it had gone differently.

It's fun.

It's not a world-ending crisis and it's not like, oh my God, China owns all the water.

Like we will have no water if they decide to not let us have some.

Yeah.

But it is, you know, at least in terms of markets and production, it is kind of like a somewhat, maybe we should, you know, diversify that market a little bit.

Right.

I don't know.

What does it mean we pay $50 more?

I guess that, I mean, that sucks.

I don't know what it actually means.

We're going to pay $50 more with tariffs anyway.

You know, Rick?

Like, I don't know what any of it actually means.

Yeah.

But, yeah.

So Alex is thinking about China and how they're they're screwing us over on every turn.

Oh, yeah.

And it just so happens that, you know, Xi got caught on a hot mic.

Uh-oh.

And Alex is pretty excited about it.

Okay, okay.

Now, Ziji Ping got caught in a hot mic, making a very vampiric statement to Vladimir Putin,

talking about,

and we have the video with subtitles, about how we're going to live forever, immortality through organ harvesting.

Replacement.

Now we're talking.

The organs.

She muses on living to 150 in rare hot mic moment with Putin.

Now,

again,

I haven't been to the doctor about my Achilles in four years.

It was 80% blown then.

It's 100% now.

I did have a doctor look at it, but I haven't been there to set up surgery.

Wait, what?

And I walk around on Achilles ten and they don't believe it until they actually see it on my right leg.

And I went to all these different doctors.

Most of them said they they wouldn't even do the surgery.

It's so reconstructive because I waited so long to fix it.

Tendon's dead.

And I found one pretty prestigious one of them.

He's the top guy in Austin or close to it.

He said, I'll do it.

But he said, We're in an, you know, you don't want to use tissue out of the U.S., you want to use it out of China.

It's got the clean, fresh, good tissue.

What?

And

I went, you mean a cadaver,

Achilles tendon?

And he goes,

it's lab grum.

And I looked at him and I said, no, it's not.

And he said, do you want your leg fixed or not?

This has the same energy as the guy who's like, don't pop those air bubbles.

The

packing stuff is made in China.

That's Chinese air that's in those bubbles.

Yep.

Yep.

So this is a fascinating story that Alex is telling.

And I can't imagine how he runs into so many colorful characters all the time.

It's almost like he's making up almost everything about his life.

All these demons popping up and harassing him.

All the prestigious doctors trying to get him hooked on that primo Chinese leg tissue.

That's the stuff.

Alex got distracted while telling this story because he was talking about this hot mic moment where Xi said that he was going to become immortal through organ transplanting.

And in fact, that's one of the main headlines of the episode that Alex is doing.

Right.

Quote, she caught on a hot mic discussing harvesting organs is the InfoWars title.

That's good.

That's solid.

I thought that was an interesting headline because this hot mic moment that was caught, it was between she and Putin, but the coverage here seems to be really stressing the she part of it.

Wow.

And that's weird because it was Putin who was talking about Morgan harvesting.

Well, I mean, hey, you know, one dictator says one thing and you say the other one says it.

Nobody's going to think too hard about it.

So from Reuters, quote, as Putin and she walked toward the Tiananmen Rostrum where they viewed the parade with Kim,

Putin's translator could be heard saying in Chinese, quote, biotechnology is continuously developing.

The translator added after an inaudible passage, quote, human organs can be continuously transplanted.

The longer you live, the younger you become, and you can even achieve immortality.

Putin's translator was saying that in Chinese because they were translating what Putin said to Xi.

Right, right.

Putin's translator wouldn't be talking in Chinese to convey something Xi said to Putin, or else why would you need a translator?

Oh my God.

I watched the video and it's very clear that Putin is talking in Russian and the the mic doesn't pick up what he's saying.

Yeah.

And then immediately afterwards, the translator says the stuff about organs in Chinese to Xi.

Wow.

The only way that Alex could report that Xi was saying this is if he's too lazy to look into any details about the story or he's so ideologically bent on supporting Putin that he can't tell the truth about how this conversation happened.

It has to be.

And either way, you're getting bad information from Alex about this hot mic moment.

You know,

listen, I respect.

Maybe there's a Maybe there's a union.

Maybe there's a code.

Maybe there's something about being a translator that I don't understand, that has a sort of like hardlined ridge of where and when and what to do.

But if I'm a translator and anybody I'm translating, specifically one who might have the ability to do something like this is like, you could always transplant organs and maybe live forever.

I'd be like, I got to kill you right now.

The older you get, the younger you get.

Why did you tell me this information?

Shouldn't you have like a translator?

Shouldn't shouldn't you have a a mechanical translator if you're gonna be like i'm gonna live forever by stealing this guy's organs right you know that uh that uh first do no harm you know that kind of

there should be a translator version of that which is first don't say crazy shit oh crazy don't say don't say crazy shit yeah if you're translating between two

let's say authoritarian dictator types right right right at a military parade right right right baby don't translate the crazy shit you know what i'm gonna let this one go.

I think that when it comes to harvesting organs to make yourself eternally young,

let's let the language gap make it harder for these two to work together on that.

Let's not facilitate that.

Yeah, that's...

Huh.

How about that?

So Alex has a bad Achilles.

Yep.

And this doctor wanted to give him Chinese tissue.

Yep.

And, like, I think that Alex is burying the lead here because this doctor is smuggling organs.

Right.

And Alex doesn't seem too concerned about it.

Wow.

And then I go to one of the top orthopedic surgeons

and he's just honest.

He's like, yeah, I got to deal with China.

I ship it all in.

And where do you think it's coming from, boys and girls?

These folks are getting prepped and ready with hoods over their head to be taken to the medical center.

This came out, what, four years ago.

So this is the real dilemma.

That we all face.

I'm seriously concerned

at whatever point, just cutting my right leg off as a symbol of commitment.

I'm serious, and I'll just put a peg leg on it.

In fact, I'm probably going to go with amputation.

That's probably the best policy.

In fact, I'll have them film it.

I'll put it on TV.

Because everybody needs to understand the commitment to this.

Because I already killed a bunch of my kids back when I was rationalizing it when I was a young man and believed the lie that it wasn't a human or it was a blob of tissue.

And of course, now I know that's not true.

And I repented 30-plus years ago.

But I've just always committed that I'll never kill another one of my children.

And And that's a pretty simple thing to say you're going to do, right?

You know, there.

Well, then would you kill somebody for their organ?

Please cut off your leg.

Please do that.

It would be so cool.

It would be.

Like, think about the CCP would probably just step down from power.

Yeah.

Why would you?

There's a man who cut off his own leg.

That defiance is such a powerful image.

I mean, okay, look, you've got a man who's ready and willing to peg leg, right?

To save.

How many unnamed Chinese people with bags over their head apparently having their organs removed on the regular?

I see like a line

and a conveyor belt.

They're just getting too good at it.

But here is this man walking?

Nay.

Hobbling.

Exactly.

I think, first of all, I think there's something kind of right about old Alex having a peg leg.

Yeah, I think there's something right about that.

Yeah.

And not like a a prosthetic replacement limb or anything.

It's got to be a wood, like a broomstick.

Old-timey blackbeard.

We're talking full-on pirate shit.

Yeah,

I'm into this.

I'm so into the idea of Alex as a sign of how sorry he is about abortion.

Yep.

Cutting off his leg.

I'm really into it.

It would make me respect him a lot more.

Yeah.

Alex, you want to win me over, cut off your leg.

Not a ton more, but at least a leg more.

So the news at the core of this here is that she and Putin were caught on that hot mic discussing organ transplants.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And the kind of content that you get on Alex's show about it is him ranting about how his integrity won't let him fix his leg with possibly stolen tendons, so he's going to give himself a peg leg as a political statement.

In the process, he also made clear that his doctor is involved in an illegal organ smuggling operation.

He isn't too concerned about blowing the whistle on that.

It's almost like he doesn't think about calling the police about this doctor because he's making up the whole organ smuggling part of this story.

And Grandstanding about how he's going to cut his leg off.

He's going to do shit.

I do like the original conversation because there are some parts of it that I can believe,

such as him being like, it's lab-grown.

And Alice being like, no, it's not.

And then the doctor being like, do you want the leg or not?

You know, do you want it?

Listen, we're about to, I know you.

I'm not going to do the thing that you want to do right now.

Do you want me to do the surgery or do you want to go away?

Come downstairs and let's see the fish human legs that are growing with sad eyes in the tank.

Come on, man.

Alex said it like

that was the sinister part.

And no, that sounds like exhaustion to me.

And that's thoroughly believable.

Yeah, it's believable that someone's annoyed with you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%.

So Alex has been getting some heat, obviously, because Owen left.

Sure.

And then he screamed on air about it.

He did cry, baby.

A little.

Yeah.

And so he's been getting a little bit of feedback, and he's upset oh it's so fetishized in the west because we know our establishment we know our elite they're completely out of control and evil to just bash our politicians and leaders who need to be kept on a short leash and you know put sent to prison for what they've done and things like that

but the world's a very small place so we don't really talk about china

all the other tyrannical systems that are affecting us because I notice whenever I talk about it, I see comments on Infowars, comments on X, you name it.

It's not a lot of people, but it's still a sizable minority.

Why aren't you talking about the Jews?

I mean, I can talk about weather weapons and banning geoengineering and Bill Gates' plan.

And literally, there'll be a third of the comments sometimes.

Why are you coming up for the Jews?

Alex is feeling a little attacked about this at the moment because Owen Schrewer just quit, and a lot of the response that he's undoubtedly seen on social media is people saying that Owen was too critical of Israel, so Alex fired him.

Right.

There have been a lot of variations on that theme, and it's clearly in Alex's head.

Yeah.

It's something that's getting to him.

Not complicated.

And if I were Alex, I would get ready to hear a whole lot more of this kind of stuff.

He's let the Nazis into the house by trying to chase Nick Fuentes' clout, and that's going to come with the price.

Like the kind of people, the kind of audience that you're courting by being buddies with him are people who are going to demand that you be a Nazi.

Yeah.

Or they're going to complain that you're not a Nazi enough.

That's the game.

That's what you accept when you ask them to buy your pills.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

You have joined an organization that is based, I mean, I guess, entirely around purity.

Yep.

Don't be surprised that you're getting tested.

It's going to be a constant thing.

Don't be surprised that you will fail then.

Absolutely.

You will never be pure enough.

That's the idea behind the test.

Yep.

Yeah.

Jeez.

Let the kid in the house, and now he's he's letting in all his friends.

Who could have seen this coming?

Yep.

Yeah.

But I think that, you know, if you scroll through some of the comments on

whether it's Owen's video or Alex's videos, there is so much of that shit.

Yeah.

And, you know, it's not surprising.

People, man.

Damn.

Just still doing it.

Yep.

So there's some news in Trump World.

Yeah.

How's he doing?

Doing great.

So cool.

Yeah.

One of the cool things that he did was he blew up a boat.

I'm sorry?

Did you hear about that?

No, he blew up a boat?

Yeah, he blew up a boat.

Wait, what?

Yeah, Venezuelan boat.

Okay.

You know, Trump blew up this vessel that they tracked and knew who it was and were surveilling on the ground when it left, and they knew that it was the

government-backed TDA narco-terrorist designation.

They've killed millions of Americans, and so

Trump killed them

because they were trying to come into our waters.

And I think it's 100% in his power.

I mean, that is a weapon system.

They tracked it.

They knew they were loading it.

They knew it was the gang.

They know what they bring in on the boats, the fentanyl.

Bringing in enough fentanyl to kill millions of people.

Boom.

Eliminate the threat.

So Trump posted a video on Truth Social bragging that he'd blown up a Venezuelan boat that he claimed had Trende Aragua gang members on it.

And I guess Alex is cool with that.

In the real world, this is a very clear violation of international law and human rights conventions.

Wow.

The Trump administration has offered no evidence that this boat was full of drug traffickers, and even if it were, there's no justification for blowing it up and killing the 11 people on board.

Probably not.

It's pretty wild that Alex is just fine with this, if only for how much of the high ground he's giving up by signing off on it.

Even if you support the idea of killing alleged drug traffickers, this is a pretty simple, this level of power could get out of hand thing.

I mean, I feel like

if it's just like, oh, the president said they were Trende Aragua gang members and he's designated them as terrorists, then like, I don't know, why were you ever mad about Guantanamo?

Yeah.

Like, the president said they were terrorists.

Yeah.

Like, he

could have killed them all, right?

I mean, by this, by Alex's justification.

Like, you just lose the ability to make so many arguments here.

I mean, I'm surprised that we are all

like, okay, it's already gotten too far because we're at the level of being like, you know what?

I think we need to explain that the president having the ability to just disappear people with a point of a button and then post a video about it on social media is good or bad.

We're gone.

It's too far gone.

It's too far past it.

He shouldn't be allowed to just blow people up.

That's obvious.

Yeah.

For so many reasons.

We should live in a world where where you do that and you're immediately impeached.

Yeah, and then and then the social media aspect of it.

Posting a video, even if, even if for whatever reason, maybe I'm an idiot and you can explain it away in like a moral or ethical or legal or defensive reason or any number of those things.

In no world do you convince me that it's totally okay for you to post a video on social media after posting a video and being like, ha ha, look at this boat I blew up.

No way.

That's mad king behavior.

That's insane behavior.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's yeah, but I guess it's acceptable now, and Adams thinks it's cool and within his power.

There we go.

So there's other Trump news.

Of course.

I don't know.

Did you watch the Epstein Survivors press conference?

No.

So a number of survivors and their lawyers did a press conference, along with Marjorie Taylor Greene and like RoConna.

So it was like a bipartisan representation of people in Congress.

Sure.

And they were talking about how Representative Massey had put forth a

petition, a discharge petition to get all the information about Epstein released.

Right.

And that's what they wanted.

They wanted this disclosure.

Sure.

And Trump was like, you motherfuckers.

Yeah.

Trump was like, hey, if you people are doing this, this is an attack on my administration.

Yeah.

I mean, well, yeah.

Yeah.

And that dissonance has caused a little bit of trouble

in the Trump world.

People are like, why are you saying it's an attack on you to demand disclosure of the Epstein stuff?

Sure.

And so Alex is trying to thread that.

Okay.

So I've never seen any evidence of Trump doing something like that.

Plus, do you think Trump is all about being in control

and being the boss?

Do you think he would go with a bunch of people and screw kids?

Yes.

I mean, even if he was

just doesn't fit the MO.

That said,

the White House came out and

said that Republicans that sign on

to this

massey

legislation to release it,

that

they are attacking the Trump administration.

So

that is a big deal right there.

White House just slammed the Massey Epstein discharge petition as a very hostile act to the administration.

Let's go ahead and play that clip first with some foreshadowing.

So

I'm going to tell you what's going on here.

We know Bill Gates went to the island a bunch, but it's going to implicate Bill Gates and a bunch of other people, the head of Harvard.

Trump's had the CIA with the Mossad beg him to not do this.

He's made deals off this leverage.

And there are some people close to Trump in his history, not family, and I've had this from sources, but don't give me the specifics, that are on the list.

So Trump thinks it's going to be a horrible distraction, could bring down the U.S.

economy, really discredit the U.S.

And so

he's made that decision.

So in a situation like this, it's really important to think about how much tone changes the point you're making.

All Alex is doing is describing the reality in front of everyone's faces that Trump is doing some kind of cover-up as it relates to Epstein.

In the past, it would have been an accusation that a politician were hiding the truth about something because it would be too embarrassing for it all to come out.

But in this case, it's an excuse.

If we just accept Alex's premise that Trump made a deal with all these deep state folks to cover up the Epstein stuff because it would be too embarrassing and destabilizing for all of it to come out, then what are we supposed to do?

What cover-up couldn't be justified by people in power saying that it would be too embarrassing for all the details to come out?

Alex isn't saying Trump is covering this up because he thinks it's too embarrassing, and fuck that.

We need to demand the truth anyway.

He's covering Trump's position as if it's a good position, effectively arguing that sometimes cover-ups are for your own good.

Yeah.

I know I harp on this kind of thing a lot, but this dude is gone.

Like, he's lost the entire point of what his character was supposed to be based on because it wasn't sincere to begin with.

He wasn't grounded in in an actual truth, and the crises and pressures of the moment are just revealing.

You know, you're just revealing how naive you are.

You're not interested in real politic.

All right.

Could you say real politique?

That is, I could, but you won't.

You should.

I probably.

Sounds cool.

It's got a K.

Maybe a Q

if you believe in yourself.

No, it is.

It's so funny.

It's so funny being like, well, I mean, listen, it's just smart.

You would make the same.

That's what, because the implied part of that is you would do it.

Who wouldn't cover up 9-11?

Exactly.

Exactly.

It is the implied part of that tone, which is like, we can all understand.

We've all been in a situation where we've made compromises that maybe didn't make us feel good.

Now, admittedly, none of those was covering up the fact that you're a pedophile billionaire.

That'll change.

Like, Alex's whole mission and like the intro music of

his show, the bumpers, are like, he

gets behind the truth of government corruption and cover-ups.

It's like he's making excuses for government corruption and cover-ups.

This isn't the info war, it's the info wine, my friends.

It's crazy.

Yeah.

So I think that Alex might

realize that Trump...

There's some bad information that could come out.

Yeah, I mean, how can you not?

Yeah.

And I think that he's realizing, like, fuck, there's a lot of people who are not going to accept a lot of these bullshit explanations we have.

Yeah.

So I think we're going to have to go with false flag on this one.

So when Trump says it's going to hurt a lot of innocent people,

and it's a big mess,

the stuff in these grand jury files and the stuff in these FBI reports, a lot of it is hearsay.

A lot of it is rumor.

A lot of it is, you know, we just accept, too, oh, all these women are victims.

Some have been proven and certified, and I believe them overall.

Do you?

But you've also got that.

So, this is a can of worms, and I've studied this deeply for decades, just this case

to the point of hating it

because there's so many other, even bigger things out there that people don't even care about when I talk about it.

They're just cut and dry, massive.

But I am an expert on this, and

literally,

I start

just going numb when I try to integrate all the pieces of it in.

Alex is emotionally preparing and trying to get the audience ready to attack Epstein victims.

Yeah.

Yep.

That's the long and short of that.

Without question.

Sure, he believes them and he believed them for many, many years, but guess what?

Now they're lying and they're paid for by, yep.

Well, no, and he still believes the ones who aren't saying anything about Trump.

Sure.

But the ones who are saying things about Trump.

Wow.

I mean, can't believe that.

So we believe anybody.

They've been infiltrated, this group of victims.

Yeah, they've probably been paid by Epsy.

Right.

The globalists got to them.

Yep.

It's insane.

It's disgusting.

And I think it's a sign of what's to come.

The strategies that he's willing to

embrace.

Yeah.

It's fucked up.

Yeah, you just got to.

Because the moment you do something like that, you

and this is what people like this do when they're in the wrong space, right?

He was like, well, you know, yes, I know what I've been saying, but it looks like maybe there are people who are not Trump, but people close to Trump, not his family either, but people close to Trump.

Do you mean Roger?

It may be those people, which is like you're just opening a little barrier somewhat, and that means that it's going to get opened further.

Yeah, and it's worse than whatever like little glimpses you're trying to do some sort of like, we'll control the bleeding.

I'll give you a little bit of something so you think, yeah, you know what you're talking about.

I'm not saying you're crazy or anything.

You've got something to to go.

And I'll give you a little bit, but it's like an info pacifier that he's trying to offer.

And it's

kind of insulting.

You just made me realize that there is nectar behind you, my friend.

Yeah.

And when Alex says in that clip, like I've followed this story, and you hear that tone where he's like, to the point where I started to hate it.

I hate this story.

And I think that what that feeling is, is like he does hate this story.

Oh, yeah.

And it's because he's in bed with people who are the villains of it.

Like, he had a perfect position to launch the satanic panic shit previously in his career.

His positioning was like, we can attack all these people.

We're cool.

Yeah.

But now his entire

professional and political identity is wrapped up in a guy who has to cover up.

I mean,

the irony.

Yeah.

I would hate the story, too.

I hate it.

I would not like to be an example of irony.

I don't want.

Listen, ironic.

It's a goddamn Alandis Morrissette song.

Right?

Ironic things have happened, but I've never been an example where it's like, wow, cut and dried.

This is the definition of irony.

Measure all ironic things based upon this thing.

Would it be ironic if Mr.

Magoo could see the future?

If he had the second sight?

No, I think it would be the opposite.

I think that would just be explanatory.

Okay.

Because that would make sense of all the things that would be ironic if he

because that's how he can fumble through life.

Exactly.

Because he has already seen all of it.

Because he's already seen all the.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It turns it into something more poignant, I suppose.

Yeah.

So there's other poignant news

in the world that doesn't have to do with

Alex or Owen or Trump.

And there's just literally dozens of other huge stories.

Elon Omar's financial disclosure shows that in one year, she had a 3,500% increase in net worth

from $6 million to $30 million.

And of course, she started out in Congress with a couple hundred thousand dollars in the bank.

You mean

the daughter from a famous pirate family, pirate royalty in Somalia, where human slavery and robbery and murder is the country's business, and they are the commanders of it?

you mean she might be a criminal?

Come on now.

That evil witch,

absolutely insane.

So, this is a huge story.

Yeah.

If you only get your huge stories from things that get passed around on dipshit social media.

Ah, uh-oh.

Elon Omar's net worth increased dramatically between her 2019 disclosure and the most recent one, largely because she got married in 2020 and her husband runs a winery and venture capital firm.

I'm not thrilled about the idea of a politician spouse being in the money management field because it's always going to look a little bit suspicious, but that suspicious vibe isn't enough to prove that there's actual corruption there.

Yeah.

Alex is adding nothing to this story that you wouldn't get just from seeing the same tweet that he saw, other than the racist bullshit about Omar being pirate royalty.

Yeah.

But, like, yeah, this is easily explained by she got married.

That's tough.

Yeah, her net worth went up because it was a spousal

shared.

I, I, listen, I understand the reality.

Your net worth went up when you got married.

Exactly.

Yeah.

Well, it went from zero all the way up to more than zero.

Yeah.

She owns a thing.

Exactly.

Look at all this thing she owns.

Yeah.

That's way more than me.

Yeah.

No,

I understand the reality, but I don't think you're ever going to make someone less cool by saying they're a pirate king.

Yeah, well,

you know,

yeah, it's tough.

Pirates are tough.

No, no, I know I in intellectually I know and intellectually I can see the totality of the picture and I can see where they fit as the puzzle piece intellectually all of these things are true, but if you say the words pirate king to me, I am also going to see a pirate king and you know the type that I'm talking about.

And that's going to be cool.

You're thinking of like swashbuckling, of course, swinging on a rope.

Of course.

You know, like getting tortuga.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Do you swelling score?

No, masters, no kings.

Yeah, yeah.

I think that the image of pirate like that that comes up in your head is great.

Yeah, of course.

I think real-world pirates are pretty bad.

I know.

I think that Johnny Pirates.

I agree.

Yeah.

I agree.

Even back at the time that the image in your head is harkening back to, I think those were pretty bad.

Oh, real bad dudes.

No good.

I don't think it was as fun as Johnny Depp makes it look.

Absolutely.

I bet.

Well, you know what?

I bet being one of the Lost Boys probably wasn't as fun as Peter Pan made it look.

You know what the problem is?

What?

There's no magic.

That does tend to be the problem.

I do agree with that.

Pirates of the Caribbean and that kind of stuff is really fun because there's magic.

There is magic.

They're looking for buried treasures.

They're not killable.

Yeah.

You know, like, that's not real.

You got to have magic.

They were just stealing spices and killing people.

Yep, yep, yep.

Anyway, okay.

There's other news.

Yeah.

ICE is doing some bad stuff.

I bet.

So Alex doesn't want to cover that.

Okay.

So we have stuff like that.

ICE obtains access to Israeli-made spyware that can hack phones and encrypted apps.

Job Turkey Jasmine Crockett has adopted a new ghetto voice that compared to the others is totally different.

We have a real voice.

When she was younger, she sounds like a stepper wife.

Oh, hello.

It's almost an English accent.

I'm Jasmine Crockett.

Now it's like, hey, hey, hey, I'm Jasmine Crockett.

Pretty funny.

That's pretty funny.

So that was a long pause there, you might have noticed.

Seems like Alex doesn't really want to have a take on the ice doing all the police state shit that he's made documentaries about.

Oh, well.

I think that that clip is a perfect illustration of what Alex's show is right now.

He's supporting the guys doing the stuff that he's supposed to be against, and he can't even deny it anymore.

So he has to retreat to racist tabloid-level shit about pretending a black woman's voice is fake.

Whenever he touches the big issues, Alex reveals himself to be a fraud.

Trump is covering up the Epstein stuff, but it's okay because it would be embarrassing if that all came out.

That'd be rough.

ICE is spying on people's phones and invading privacy, but it's cool because they're only doing it to immigrants.

Sure.

Every ideal that he used to pretend to hold up has been violated.

So all that's really left is this surface-level racist entertainment, and it's pretty hollow.

Yeah.

And this obviously was like

just an excuse for him to start doing some voices.

And so he does some pretty offensive voices for a while.

You know what?

Here's what it feels like.

It feels like we're in They Live, right?

But you know how in They Live, they have the

slogans, and then you put the glasses on and you can see the actual stuff behind it.

At the very least, they went to the trouble of hiding the actual stuff behind it.

They went, you know what I'm saying?

And now we're living in a world where they are not even bothering to do that.

They're just, like, he might as well just be yelling, consume, consume, consume.

It's the same.

Yeah.

Submit.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

I mean, okay.

I guess we're there.

That's fine.

Yeah.

For someone who likes They Live.

Yeah.

And interviewed Rowdy Rowdy Piper.

Yeah.

Like Alex did.

Yeah.

You'd think you'd be a little more subtle.

Yeah.

It's like, oh, take the glasses off.

But I mean, it's because we don't need them anymore.

We're just going to say the truth at you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So Alex talks a bit about how the media is running a bunch of disinformation campaigns

about the GOP wanting to cover up the Epstein

stuff.

Right.

It's not true.

Uh-oh.

That's how they run

this disinformation is cherry-picking things out short clips so that people don't know what's happening.

And they went, well, that congresswoman or that congressman,

why are they saying, okay, we're not going to release it all right now, but we'll release it quickly?

They just cut there because the victims have asked us to.

But I go then, find the full clip and sit there and watch it, and I have it for you.

The problem is, if I show you CNN lying and MSNBC lying, and then I show you the actual raw clip, it'll take hours.

And I got to limit the crew now.

They've cut us down to nothing, but the crew's great, but that's something we ought to do.

It's just, there's so much of it.

It takes hours just to watch it.

But you all saw it.

You see it everywhere.

Oh, look, they don't want to release it now.

Oh, look, cover up.

I mean, I've got the headlines here.

But when you actually go watch the press conference, the women said, hold off.

We want time to go over this.

And then they said, we will release the list.

So they're trying to kind of take control of it.

Well, how do we know these people haven't been infiltrated?

How do we know,

you know, a lot of the stuff we call them victims.

I'm sure most of them are.

There's evidence of that, but you know, still.

So Alex has already made it pretty clear that Trump is trying to cover up the Epstein stuff, but it's cool.

Yeah.

So what he's doing now is trying to protect some of the GOP folks in Congress that he feels close to, like Marjorie Taylor Greene, and the off chance that this attempt at disclosure isn't going to work.

Right.

And,

you know, there's a likelihood that some of them will kow-tow to Trump saying, stop it.

Yep.

And he'll need to kind of protect them.

So before this episode, a bunch of Epstein survivors had held a press conference along with some members of Congress like Green and Rokana pushing for the passage of Massey's petition to release all the government's files about Epstein.

It was unambiguous that the goal was releasing everything, and it felt a bit like they were personally offended by the Department of Justice buddying up with Ghelain Maxwell.

Right.

And Alex saying that they were like,

the press conference was about, like, hey, hold up.

It's bullshit.

Yeah.

He's purporting to have uncovered a media disinformation campaign where they're showing incomplete statements by some GOP Congress members in order to make it look like they're trying to cover up the Epstein stuff.

But in the full context, they're just honoring the victim's wishes.

He has the edited clips and the full clips, but it would take too long to play them.

So instead,

he's not doing that.

And

if he did, he would clearly demonstrate the point that he's making in an indisputable fashion.

Right.

There's no time.

Well, instead, he's going to spend long stretches of this show doing racist accents and complaining about his Achilles tendon.

Right.

Like, it makes sense.

Yeah.

See, okay.

So if I have the overwhelming evidence, and you know I do, then it kind of makes the showing it to you part irrelevant.

Because I have it.

Right.

You know I have it.

So the only thing that we would both get at the end of me showing it to you is the same equilibrium we're at right now.

I would still have it and you would still know I have it and I'm already right.

So in that case, I don't really need to show it to you at all, do I?

It's really a waste of time.

It is a waste of time.

So you should just agree that I have it.

You believe it.

We'd move on.

Everybody knows that this woman's voice is blacker.

All he's doing, like if you listen to that clip and you listen to the tone, all he's doing is...

Trying to create preemptive justification to attack these women.

Yep.

Like that's the entire game.

He's trying to lay that track so it doesn't hit nearly as hard when he's forced to do that.

And it's disgusting.

We are in a true crime documentary that has gotten past the point of stupidity.

Like there are so many true crime documentaries where you're like, oh, could it be this?

Could it be that?

Could it be this?

And then there's maybe an ambiguous ending, or maybe there's like, we're clearly pointing towards one ending, or we're clearly, we have our point of view on this.

Eventually, if you're in a true crime documentary and you're like, that guy did it.

That's the end of the document there can be no more oh evidence is show no that guy did it we're all there

he did it he did something he did yeah

so uh somebody else who did something owen troyer yeah he left yes he did and alex um

you know he he's uh he's upset still yeah The day before this, he was screaming on all three shows on InfoWars about how he's a snake.

This guy's a fucking piece of shit.

He's a liar.

Yeah.

And the tone is, you know, a lot of the feelings are still there.

But Alex is a little mopier now.

And he's just kind of like sad that Owen was mean to him.

And when we start the next hour, I'm going to do an update on Owen Schroyer and why I got so mad because it's personal.

And when I watched a lot of his five-plus-hour show he did Monday afternoon, evening.

Still not all of it.

Yeah, I could see the plotting in it.

I could see

what he he was attempting to do.

And of course, it was successful.

And I've got all the dozens of headlines.

I fired him.

I'm a censor.

All this stuff.

None of it true.

But that's how he did it.

At least five times he said, I haven't had a race since 2018.

He would look down in his notes and go, well, let me check that.

And he'd look down in his notes and say these things.

Well, I know Alex

doesn't like me criticizing Trump because he'll lose access at the White House.

But he never said I said that.

Don't lose access.

I don't even need it.

Access to the White House.

I create the talking points and research.

I'm the dog.

That's the tail.

So are you.

You're the dog.

It's the tail.

The more I bitch about Trump, the more they call up.

It doesn't work like that.

This isn't about access

to, you know, sitting as a parrot higher up in the tree.

This is about truth.

And so that's why I got so mad

was he called me up on the holiday and said, you know, I'm quitting

and was very rude

and very, you know, disagreeing.

Yeah, well, if you're desperate and pay me more, I'll stay.

And he said, well, I guess I'll do you a favor and stay another week.

And I said, no, that's all right, Owen.

Have a nice day.

You really hurt my feelings.

We'll take care of it.

And then he spun that, that, oh, I've been kicked out.

Oh, see, I was censored.

You know, it's just, it's, it's disgusting.

And

it's a PR deal.

And it hurts me

because our integrity is everything.

And the holy grail is to claim that Alex Jones is a bad guy.

And then I learned a lot more the crew never told me about Owen

and

how he's been behaving the last few years.

And it was shocking.

So I'm going to reveal it all coming up when we start the next hour.

This feels so weak.

Alex should just never talk about Owen on air again because this should be beneath him.

He's supposed to be fighting the literal devil.

He can't be taking precious time out of the show to whine about how an ex-employee was mean to him on the phone.

Yeah.

This is so dumb.

He was very rude on the holiday, Dan.

And Alex loves Labor Day.

He does.

He supports workers' rights.

Many, many thousands of people died to bring you the five-day work week.

And now we're just going to, what, allow somebody to be rude to their boss?

I mean, it's not even a boss thing.

It's my friend.

He was rude to me, and he was my friend, and I just feel hurt.

This is awful.

Also, I would say that if the more you bitch about Trump, the more they contact you, you might be being handled.

Yeah.

Like, maybe they feel the need to talk you down.

Sort of, hey, let's soften the edge on this guy.

Yep.

Maybe I would take a different message than Alex seems to be taking.

Which suggests they think they can talk you down, which suggests you are talk-downable, which means that what you have to say isn't really that important.

Yeah.

And I think that if past is prelude, then yeah,

they have every reason to think that.

Yep, yep, yep, yep.

You're just saying that it's cool to blow up boats.

You're covering up Epstein.

Yeah.

Lost.

Anyway,

Alex comes back.

He does not immediately get to Owen because there's some breaking news out of Florida.

All right.

All right.

News just broke out of Florida that is spectacularly

positive for Team Humanity and Maha and stopping big pharma.

And it dovetails with the

historically amazing and positive and valiant activities of RFK Jr.

and the huge successes dismantling Bill Gates' control of our medical system.

in just the last few months that's been crescendoing

last week and this week, and that is not getting a lot of attention.

You just hear, oh, controversy, fights, wars, people walking out.

Kennedy's going to kill everybody.

Kennedy's weaponized medicine.

No, he's stopping the weaponization of it.

It's just

fabulously good news.

Well, something just happened in Florida that is a game changer.

Wait till you hear this.

This is such good news.

Now, let me just stop.

Hammer time.

I want to apologize to the listeners and our radio stations and TV stations and everybody for the way I behaved yesterday.

Yo.

I was apologizing.

Yeah.

I don't know why you should apologize for yelling on it.

Like, it's the only thing that is interesting.

Like, you should be apologizing for not going harder.

Yeah, he really should.

Ridiculous.

Yeah.

So the Surgeon General of Florida, Joseph Ladapo, made a big announcement that Florida was going to be the first state to make vaccines entirely voluntary.

Vaccines are already basically voluntary.

So, like, what he was saying was the state wasn't going to allow institutions like schools to require vaccination for people to attend.

Right, right, right, right.

That was fun, and all the anti-vax folks got all pumped up about it.

But the rule change that he was talking about only occluded a couple of vaccines, like chickenpox, meningitis, and hepatitis B.

Other vaccines for like polio and tetanus, they would still be required.

So, this was kind of a hollow victory for these anti-vax folks.

Children are going to be severely hurt by this, and public health in general will erode, possibly undoing miracles that we've been able to achieve with vaccine science.

And on top of that, these people are ultimately no closer to this fantasy goal they have of health freedom.

It's just, it's awful.

Just make up a vaccine and say that you've banned it.

You don't even need to ban real ones.

They don't care or know or understand what's happening.

Right.

Just start complaining about like LRNA, like a completely new kind of vaccine and then ban it.

Give fake victories for these dipshits.

Yep.

And then move on.

Yeah.

It's tough.

It's tough.

The implications of

the eroding of vaccine coverage on not just children, but also on people who are

compromised.

Right.

You know, like, it's, it's a real fuck you to a lot of people.

Yeah.

And you can't ban

requiring vaccines in Florida and not have it affect every other state.

I mean, it's ridiculous.

Like, you can't, state lines don't matter in terms of public health.

No, eventually we have to build a wall.

I don't think that would help.

I think it's time to build a wall around Florida.

So Alex apologized for his behavior screaming about Owen.

Right.

And the reality is he's just been holding his tongue for so long.

Yes, of course he has.

And I'm not going to cuss talking about it today.

It's just that I've bit my tongue about Owen Schroyer the last two plus years

and put up with a lot of arrogance and a lot of rudeness

and not even, the crew says hi to him, won't even say hi to him almost every day.

And I try to talk to him.

He just looked me up and down like I'm a pile of crap.

And

that's only about 90% of the time.

Now, sometimes he's old Owen for a minute and funny and says a joke.

But you feel like

it's all just a manipulation.

So I told Crew, you know, I told Dew and others the last couple of years, I said, he wants me to fire him because he wants that Streisand effect.

So I'm not sure if Alex realizes it, but this makes him sound a lot worse.

Yeah.

What he is describing is a situation where he knew that Owen was a liar, an an anti-social prick, and a manipulator who was trying to get fired so he could use that victimhood against Alex.

It's one thing to discover this side of a person after the fact, but Alex is saying that he's been biting his tongue about Owen for two years.

And that's some childish shit.

Alex was the boss, and if he's biting his tongue and passive-aggressively refusing to fire someone, then he's running a horrible workplace.

Alex is supposed to have been biting his tongue to not say bad things about Owen, but at the same time, he was giving him raises and Owen was hosting Alex's show a bunch.

Owen was the second in command at Infowars and he had the coveted post-Alex time slot.

If Alex sent these negative feelings about Owen, particularly that he was a liar and a manipulator, then he should not have been comfortable allowing him to continue being on air.

It seems like it's irresponsible to the audience, who are supposed to be helping you fight the literal devil to expose them to him.

Now that things have gone the way they have, Alex is trying to save face, and the best way he can think to do that is to paint Owen as a bad guy.

That's fine, and I'm sure Owen sucks, but Alex doesn't realize that any attack he tries to throw at Owen reflects poorly on him.

You can't say someone should have fired him long ago when you're the only person who didn't fire him.

At a certain point, it's on you.

You did this.

Yeah.

If you're mad about this for two years,

this is you, man.

It's narcissistic psychopaths sudden times reveal by virtue of like, here's how I'm going to manipulate you into thinking that I'm a good guy, that they don't understand

what makes a good guy.

You know, like, oh, see, I'm the good guy.

I'm the guy who's giving this guy a job.

I'm the hero.

I'm forcing this guy to work for me for two years, even though he wants to quit, and I know it.

I've not created some weird psycho-drama that makes every single day miserable.

No, I'm the good guy.

Yeah.

Right?

The mission is so singularly to create an explanation where you you come out looking good that you don't realize that the side implications of whatever excuse you're going to come up with make you look terrible.

Yeah, exactly.

And I think that he's trapped in that.

Yeah.

And

I don't know if there's a way out, honestly.

No, he's a bad guy.

Yeah.

I think it's just inevitable.

You just got to own up to it.

Yeah.

So Owen, he quit.

Back when The Onion bought InfoWars.

Right.

But then he costanzaed it.

He just decided to show back up.

Show up, see what happens.

And that's not good.

He quit whenever Bloomberg said the Onion had bought us and just didn't, you know, just said, I'm done.

And then as soon as we didn't get shut down, he was right back.

We never even really talked about it.

He was just here.

And it seemed to only piss him off even more.

And then the crew pointed this out that on his ex-account and places like that, he would mail promote his show a little bit, but never anything else we did.

He was ashamed of InfoWars.

He didn't like it.

And

then the more negative he got, listeners and viewers noticed it.

And the darker he got,

we got constant, you know, complaints like, hey, Owen's not the same Owen.

Is he okay?

What's going on?

I just ignored it because I plan with the new owners that are coming in, regardless of what happens.

Infowars to go 20 hours a day.

And I'm willing to keep Owen there.

In that clip, Alex is confessing to two giant managerial errors that he made that kind of help illustrate how things could could have gone the way they did.

The first thing is that Owen quit when the Onion bought Infowars, and then when the sale fell through, he just showed back as if nothing happened, and they never talked about it.

If Alex wants to play the role of a forgiving, understanding boss, it's conceivable that he could have given Owen his job back.

That kind of thing happens sometimes when a person quits in a fit of passion and they want to take it back, and then the, you know, the boss is like, all right.

It is what it is.

It's unacceptable management to not talk talk about it.

Yeah.

If you're my boss and I quit, then show back up and act like nothing happened and you roll with it.

I have no respect for you at all.

No.

I've received the message that you are so conflict avoidant that I can get away with anything at work and you're not going to do shit about it.

Yep.

I run you now.

Yep.

And good luck getting me to do anything.

Why would I listen to you?

Yeah.

Why?

You have shown that you are so averse to the idea of being responsible and professional that, like,

you didn't even give me a hey man.

Like, hey, man, like, nothing.

We just didn't talk about it at all.

Like, this is just a thing that happened.

Like, you just showed up and you didn't get a Owen.

What the fuck?

None of that.

The impulse to quit when The Onion bought it, totally understandable on Owen.

It makes sense.

Totally.

The impulse to want to take it back, totally understandable.

Practically the same thing that the whole company did.

The impulse on Alex's part to be like, I need you, sure, stick around, makes total sense.

You bet.

You got to talk about it.

You got to talk about it.

You have to have a meeting where you're like, hey, you quit.

We're going to just pretend that didn't happen.

Boundaries.

Totally fine.

Yeah.

You have to rebuild those boundaries.

We have to set these boundaries.

These are the boundaries.

You have crossed this boundary and I have chosen to forgive that.

Yeah.

But these are the boundaries.

Yeah.

Otherwise, there are no boundaries, in which case, I'm fucked.

Yeah.

And when you don't have that conversation as a manager, you're sending a clear message that, like, it's up to you, man.

Yeah, do whatever you want to figure it out.

Yeah.

The second thing that is happening here in this clip is that listeners were bombarding Infowars with messages of concern about Owen getting really dark and how they were worried about him.

And Alex's instinct was to ignore it because he was going to need Owen to fill more time once the new backers start giving him more money.

Right.

Alex isn't responding to this criticism and feedback as a competent manager, where he would see this as an indication that Owen's dissatisfaction with his job was becoming very obvious to the audience, and maybe this job wasn't a good fit for him.

Instead, Alex heard this feedback as the listeners, like they were asking him to censor Owen, and he made a courageous choice by not doing that.

And instead, what he's doing is just emotionally checking out of any responsibility to be a leader.

It's just blood.

I needed hours to fill.

Yeah.

And he's a body.

He's there.

Listen, I think Owen might be self-harming.

I ignored that because I needed hours to fill.

And maybe I would need more from him later.

Oh, okay.

Sounds shitty.

That sounds like you're the good guy in this.

Yeah.

One of the things that I think is really interesting about the whole Owen saga is the insights that it's provided into how Alex thinks workplaces should run.

Yeah.

Like what he appears to be...

presiding over is like a madhouse.

Yeah.

With an idiot in charge that no one could possibly respect as like, yeah, he has outbursts and like you're probably scared of him, but like you're not scared of him in the way that you fear a respectable boss.

Yeah.

Like someone who demands the best of you.

And you know, like, no, no.

He might hit you.

That's probably what you're afraid of.

That's probably, yeah, no, more likely you are afraid in the generalized sense of like, this is somebody who I'm always flinching around, as opposed to like, oh,

if I don't get this clip right, then I'm going to be in trouble, or my job is on the line, or something is important.

You're like, oh, I'll get yelled at, which is like, eh, not my, not my first yell.

Yeah, he's an angry, abusive dad, as opposed to a dad who's building up and supporting and providing a good example for the people under him.

Right.

Where they can thrive.

Right.

And that's his fault.

Yeah.

I mean, the InfoWar is people who work at Infowars fighting each other.

Yeah.

And being terrorized by Alex

emotions.

Yeah.

So look, man, the problem was that Owen was arrogant.

Like Kamala Harris.

Wait, what?

Yeah, he was that arrogant.

Okay.

The arrogance.

I mean, like, I've seen few people that can put on arrogance like this.

I mean, it's like Kamala Harris.

When you see how she's got that, or Obama.

And he didn't used to be like this till about two years ago.

Obama?

He walks by and just...

looks at the crew, looks at you just, oh, oh, oh, he'll go, and just

put his nose up.

So, and everybody's like man what's his problem and i'm like he's gonna quit he wants to be fired he's got a chip on his shoulder i don't know what his problem is don't give him what he wants

because i'm busy he's too busy alex is too busy okay all right so the second in command at my media company wants to quit Well, let's say at least like the second in command in terms of like public facing.

Quote-unquote second talent.

yeah all right wants to quit

two years ago

all right don't give him what he wants that's your response that i'm busy give him what he wants i'm busy

let's write this out for two years what does that even mean from a from a like managering strategy standpoint of like okay

so if somebody wants something, I'm going to torture them for two years by not speaking about how I know they want it and how they know that they want it, but I'm not giving it to them somehow, even though it's all within their hands.

Yeah.

You know, the thing that I'm taking away from it really is that no one has tried to infiltrate InfoWars as an employee.

No.

Um,

and been unsuccessful because of anything other than luck.

Yeah.

Like bad luck, maybe you just didn't get hired or whatever, but like you could

subterfuge this pretty easily.

Absolutely.

As long as you just played emotional games along with the people who were fucking with you.

I think that might be their ultimate defense against it is that it would bore you.

You'd be like, I've sabotaged it.

It's the same.

It's the same.

It's the exact same.

Well, I mean, like,

I think that someone could, like, they appear like very vulnerable to someone coming in and taking information.

Right, right.

But in terms of sinking the ship by being being

a dysfunctional cog in the machine, I think that they're sailing.

Ship has sailed.

Ship has sailed.

They are functional, dysfunctional.

And

this is the kind of thing that ends up happening from that.

You have these Owen situations.

It is a little bit like,

you know how what they're doing now, one of the only useful things they're doing with AI is like...

imagine things from a point of view that just only a machine could imagine in terms of like no preconceptions like what if you built a car out of blood, you know, all that stuff, and it would find mathematical solutions that you would never consider yourself, right?

It is like InfoWars is imagine the least capable, but still functional machine that you possibly can, right?

And it's just a bunch of garbage, just like a caterpillar squirrel, squirrel, squirrel, squirrel, just moving along.

And you'd be like, but it works.

Yeah.

It moves.

Somehow it sells pills.

Somehow it does it.

So in Owen's video, Alex was watching it and he's like, I know this motherfucker's insinuating shit.

Yeah.

But he's also hiding behind like

denials.

So you know, saying like, I'm not saying that Alex censored me.

Right.

And that pisses Alex off.

Of course.

And he was like, yeah, I got why he was mad.

You know, that was criticizing Trump.

He was losing his White House access.

None of that happened.

I never had that conversation.

But it was all just like, I kind of got why.

And I'm like, he knows that's all going to be taken as censorship, but then he can deny it.

And then every hour after he'd said he was being censored and all this stuff, he would then say, oh, no, I wasn't censored.

But he knows how the internet works.

And they're going to pick that up and say that.

Because if you want to attack somebody with total integrity, like I have, that's the holy grail to finally catch Alex Jones and censoring, to finally catch Alex Jones and working for Israel, to finally catch Alex Jones, covering up for Trump.

And so I saw that, and it was very, very painful.

That does sound painful.

So this was something that particularly pissed Alex off because if you accept that Owen was willing to insinuate some horrible things about Alex, but he's crafty enough to make sure that he's always doing it in ways that he can deny later if he gets in trouble, it might make you start to ask where he learned those kinds of skills.

You start thinking about that too much, and you might start to realize that that's how Infowars does the news.

I'm not sure what was in Owen's mind, and I'm willing to believe that he thought he was being more generous and gracious than he actually was.

But Alex is totally right descriptively about what Owen was doing.

He was saying the literal words, Alex didn't censor me, and then describing situations that clearly indicate censorship, which looks like someone making an accusation and then trying to cover their ass.

The problem for Alex is that that is a hard strategy to counter.

If you totally blow up on him, it looks like an overreaction.

If you don't do anything, it could feel like you're taking these insinuations lying down and that you're weak.

There's no easy solution, but Alex's choice of path is a bad one.

It makes it look like he knowingly employed a manipulative sociopath for years at his media company as the host of his own show because he didn't want to give him what he wanted by firing him.

Yes.

And that looks bad.

That looks insane.

It looks worse than overreacting to the criticism.

It looks worse than looking weak by not responding.

It looks like someone who's...

But also you have to ask yourself the question of, you're saying that you are not firing him, but allowing him to do whatever he wants because that's what he doesn't want you to do.

Right.

But he is also manipulative, meaning that he is convincing you to do things.

by making them think that they're your idea.

Like, can we put these together in some form or fashion?

Well, I think that Alex gaslights his audience a lot by making clear statements and then trying to

have his cake and eat it too.

Yeah, yeah.

Like, trying to have plausible deniability with enough, like, I was attacked by a demon, blah, blah, blah.

Or whatever.

Of course.

Well, I don't say that, literally, or whatever.

Politically.

I think, yeah, he does that enough

that he sees that behavior in Owen and he feels gaslit by his own strategy.

Correctly.

Yeah.

Yes, he correctly feels gaslit.

Right.

And so his response to that is completely understandable.

Yeah.

But calling out what Owen's doing, it's pretty risky.

Yeah.

In terms of like,

if you're aware of this strategy, Alex.

At the end of the day, all he's really saying is, but you're not supposed to do it to me.

Right.

Yeah.

So look, Alex, he's a victim.

He put up with Owen for so fucking long, man.

So long.

He's just been

because he because he wanted to psychologically torture Owen by not giving him what he wanted.

That's why he put up with Owen for so long.

It's one way to put it.

Yeah.

He's like, oh, I had a great time.

Great ride.

I love InfoWars.

Yeah, you just came and attacked the leader of it, who's under total attack with Bloomberg and the Democrats trying to shut down and this crew that works here that's stuck through all this when you cut and run in November and then came slinking back.

I knew you couldn't even emotionally have a conversation about it, so I just was like, okay, Owen, you're back.

I got a new network.

Raise money.

I'm off the air.

Not a call, not worried about us, not what he can do, not speaking out about how they did this to us.

No, just I'm over here.

I'm over here.

I don't care.

They came in with a fake auction, did all this.

And then when they tried to send him the armed deputies and all of it, he didn't want anything to do with it because he's not in the info war.

So we held our nose out of loyalty

and put up with him.

I don't think that Alex realizes how much this makes him sound really bad.

If Owen was a piece of shit who wasn't in the info war for the past year or more, then Alex and everyone at the company has been lying to the audience.

Yep.

Putting up with Owen isn't just putting up with an annoying employee.

You're supposed to be fighting the devil.

And if he's an asshole who's not in the war, then you're not committed to the fight either, putting up with him like that.

Yes.

And again, Alex is painting himself as the world's worst boss.

He knew his employee wasn't emotionally capable of discussing the fact that he'd quit and then just showed back up for work, so his solution was to act like nothing happened.

That's revealing that Alex is also emotionally incapable of having whatever conversation was necessary at that point, and he's the boss.

Or maybe he's the only one who is emotionally incapable of having that conversation.

No.

No, I know.

They're both terrible.

It's his job to set boundaries and enforce them.

So this one is his responsibility.

Because of the dynamic of worker, employee, employer, like that is

a clear-cut instance where Alex dropped the ball.

If someone quits and comes back and you accept not talking about it, nope.

For me, it's just so funny because it's like, I can't even imagine, I can't imagine working there and being somebody who watches them come in and not being like, you quit, you lunatic.

What are you up to?

Like, I would be interested to know, like, let's have it out right now.

Let's, what are you doing about it?

I imagine other employees probably did.

Like, I imagine some people who aren't Alex chopped the shit with him and

went out for a drink and talked about it.

I imagine there's a lot of stuff that Alex isn't privy to, but yeah,

as a boss, that's a failure.

Crazy.

This clip also really sounds bad because he's saying that he put up with Owen out of loyalty for a long time, but now he's unloading.

This should make it clear to the audience that Alex is capable of that.

And maybe you're not going to get the whole story about someone if he's invested in presenting them in a positive light.

It's essentially Alex saying that he's willing to lie, at least lie by omission, and he's not supposed to be that guy.

This is a contradiction of the character.

It is impossible for all of these things to make sense if this employee is communicating with other people

who are your

customers or whatever you like.

Your listeners, your watchers, right?

For him to be doing this to them reveals any of this stuff that you think makes you a good boss to be actively harmful to the audience.

Yes.

So, by virtue of you saying, like, see, I'm a good guy, you're also admitting, look at how I allowed this guy to abuse you for two years, the same way I allowed him to abuse me.

Yeah, my negligence allowed somebody who was full of shit and probably a manipulator to host a show that I promoted heavily on my network for two years.

Yep.

And I presented as the vanguard of the fight against the devil.

I allowed that person to,

you know, make a connection with you.

Yep.

Yep.

To manipulate you in

some similar ways.

Yep.

And I used religion to do that.

And you should think I'm the good guy here.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because Owen sucks.

Because Owen sucks.

But the problem, one of the problems.

Yeah.

There's a lot of problems.

Wow.

But one of them is that the media is going to hear what Owen says.

Yeah.

And then they're going to respond to it.

And they're going to cover his story in a way that hurts Alex.

The fucking media.

And Alex has a perfect example of this.

And so he thinks he's manipulating us.

I don't manipulate.

I just straight shoot.

That's my superpower.

But that's why I got so mad.

And folks, I can show you hundreds of these.

I mean, just, here's just a few.

Overheadshot, please.

This is Salty Cracker.

Nice guy.

Like him.

I'm sorry.

Salty Cracker.

Shakeup.

Alex Jones fires Owen Schroyer in ugly breakup over Donald Trump.

Massive lawsuit and plead infowars, whatever that means.

So I fired Owen.

Did you know that?

But that's how he implied it because he's like, if you really need me, I'll come in for the week.

I'm like, no, man, that's okay.

You go on.

Oh, my gosh.

I just wanted to shake his hand after I sat there and talked to him like, you know, like he was a piece of crap.

With a very, you know, hell yeah.

Okay, yeah, why am I coming back?

No.

I was like, whoa, is this the real Owen Schroyer?

I was sitting there going, man, is this.

Twice says like he's demon possessed.

It was just.

Oh, man.

Salty Cracker tweeted something.

I can't believe Salty Cracker would say that.

Can you believe it?

Salty Cracker has been close to me for a long time.

And when I think about like media critics who see through the bullshit, you know, people who aren't going to buy the spin, they're going to tell, they're going to heat.

I would expect someone of Salty Cracker's level of talent to see that Owen video and be able to, you know, like cut through the

fog.

Yeah.

And he, he even said

Owen got fired.

I'm he was even misled.

I'm just waiting for the Washington Post to reveal their new ombudsman, Salty Cracker, because somebody's got to keep this paper in line and keep them honest.

And only my man, Salty Cracker, can handle that.

Right.

Yeah.

Salty Cracker dies in darkness

or something.

Or something like that

if i were if i were salty cracker here's what i would do i i kind of know who he is i've heard the name before in the same way that i kind of know who cat turd is but like uh but it also kind of feels a little racist because uh salty cracker um but the um

if i were him here's what i would do I'd have a show where I'm like fucking ranting.

Yeah.

And I'm salty.

Right.

Right.

Is that what his name's supposed to be?

I think so.

Oh, okay.

But then I would do a show where I'm talking about things I like, and it's unsalted.

Right.

Right, right.

That's what I would do.

Right.

Sodium-free.

Yeah.

Yeah, I like that.

You had high blood pressure?

This is the unsalted cracker.

The unsalted.

Yeah.

Let's talk about jazz.

So his name is supposed to be a play on words insofar as it's a salty cracker, something that you enjoy too much.

A white guy who's a little cranky.

As well as a white guy who's cranky.

Yeah, no, that's the sense that I get.

Right.

Maybe I misread the whole thing, but that was how I've always understood his name.

It makes sense.

I think what happened for me was like once gamertags became socially acceptable as like a subculture kind of thing,

then kind of all bets are off.

Yeah.

You know, like, I guess that guy can call himself that, and I have to take him seriously, but at the same time, that guy's called Salty Cracker.

Do I have to take everybody seriously?

Yeah, the first time someone tricked like the news into saying

fart dick 420 or whatever, very funny.

Great.

That was awesome.

Then it's off a cliff from

downhill ever since.

Yeah.

I'm not impressed by

Salty Carr.

Just go by.

Pick a name that's not also a dinner item.

But he got tricked into

following Owen's dumb script.

What are you going to do?

And look, the issue, again, there's a lot of issues.

But one of the issues is, won't you think of the crew?

I've been thinking of the crew non-stop this entire time, and it feels like they have been underrepresented.

They are the real victims in this, along with Alex.

Yeah.

Won't you think about them,

how Owen is treating them like not humans?

I will.

But what about the crew?

What about the crew?

Who never talked crap about him.

So then I talked to the crew yesterday, and they just said, no, Owen used to be a funny, nice guy.

It's about three years ago, so we're getting mad, and now.

Cynical, hateful, won't talk to us, looks us up and down like repaws of crap.

Exactly what you've seen.

So, see, to Owen, all these people that literally

backed him and worked so hard for him and committed to him and loved him, they aren't even people to him.

Rob Aguero, Scott, all of them, they're not even people to him.

And that's why I got mad.

And I felt like I have to warn people that in my view, this is a bad person.

A selfish person.

And they're like, you don't know how OCD he is?

You don't know he has to have everything exact.

And his whole life is scripted.

Every minute, where he goes, what he does is all booked out.

I was like, well, God, how do you ever work here?

So then I think, oh, maybe it's that, like some type of spectrum.

I'm not diagnosing.

I'm just saying

maybe he is just autistic.

I don't know.

But I know this, buddy.

I'm a real person.

And they're real people, and you don't get to treat us like that.

So you had your little scripted, schemed thing.

You wanted to get me pissed off.

You got it now.

You got exactly what you're looking for.

So look at these headlines.

Did you know I fired Owen?

That's what he scripted it with little provisos.

I just wanted to be there and he threw me out.

And you quit.

Again, Alex is revealing his incompetence as a manager here.

If we believe the things Alex is saying, then we have to accept that he was so out of touch with his staff that Owen's been being a dick to them for three years and he never noticed.

There was a complete breakdown of workplace harmony and it didn't come up as a problem that could be addressed.

This would lead you to suspect that no one feels safe coming to Alex and bringing up workplace complaints or they just know that he's not going to do anything.

It's all shitty leadership.

These are indications of no one being in charge.

Further, Alex is revealing how little he ever cared about Owen.

I'm going to ignore the labels that Alex is throwing around, but if Owen was a rigid planner and followed a tight schedule, schedule, that's something you'd expect Alex to notice in the 10 years that they knew each other.

Clearly, this is something that the crew picked up on, so it seems strange that Alex, who's repeatedly said that he and Owen were good friends, would be this oblivious.

Beyond that, this is a classic abuser tactic where you're trying to weaponize other people against your target.

Oh, yeah.

Alex would feel too vulnerable making his feelings just about how hurt he is, so he needs to pretend to be hurt on someone else's behalf

and use that, use them against him.

Once again, he is a good, he's the good guy in this.

We're not just now finding out that he's spoken to the crew about Owen for the first time in multiple years.

But also, Alex noticed this for the last two years and has been biting his tongue.

Right.

Yeah, fuck this.

This is ridiculous.

Come on.

So, one of Owen's main complaints was that, you know, Alex texts him stories and hangs over, stands over his back and, like, tries to control the contact.

But, like, Alex texts everyone these stories.

That's true.

And I never censored him.

Oh, he was hanging over me.

You mean sending you articles?

I was told in the last few months he would get enraged if I texted him news articles.

That's all I do everywhere to people.

Hell, you see, Joe Rogan talked about it.

We exchanged probably 10 texts a day of stuff we sent each other.

I mean,

I exchanged texts with Anna Paulina

Luma and MTG and, you know, a bunch of other people

in the White House.

Do they go like, Alex just sent me a link to a video?

He's trying to control me.

You hurt my boo-boo-button.

Hmm.

I mean, so that's what he did.

I watched him

go look all sad.

I'm so sad.

I think if I were working there, I probably would take this and be like, hmm, he might do this if I quit.

You know?

I don't think that this would be inspiring rally around the boss kind of behavior.

Nope, nope.

I think that I'd feel unsafe as an employee.

This would be the moment where it goes from like,

this is where it turns into personal responsibility.

You know, up until this point, you can say whatever you want about how you expected Alex to behave in any form or fashion.

At this point in time, anything that you allow to happen from here on out, that's totally on you.

You should quit right now.

Everybody should leave right now.

I definitely think everyone should quit.

Everybody should quit right now.

And anything that happens after you listen to this shit is on you, man.

Well, at very least, the risks are clear.

Yeah.

Of what is coming.

You're making

a bit of choice to be there.

Yeah.

And this kind of thing where he's like, hey, you know, Rogan doesn't get mad that I text him all this stuff.

Does Rogan work for you?

Like, do you think that your relationships are all the same?

I think because they're not.

Oh, boy.

Funny how that works.

So we wrap up this Owen talk with Alex declaring that he never wants to see Owen's face ever again.

Well, yeah.

But also he's going to be watching him very closely.

That sounds right.

I'm glad he's gone, and I hope I never have to put my eyes on him again in person.

Because

Owen was a really funny, nice person.

He was a different person.

And it's painful to me.

It's not that I don't ever want to lay eyes on him because I hate him.

I mean, I actually got tears in my eyes when he talked to me like a gangster and a pimp.

And I immediately knew he was, you know,

trying to muscle me and slap me around.

And I was very nice.

And I was going to be nice to him.

But not now.

No, and not now.

And every time you say something wrong, and I see it, every time you tell another lie, I'm going to come after you, buddy.

Because you're a bad man in my view.

You're a big, bad wolf.

Guess what?

I'm the sheepdog.

Right music choice for this.

Yes, for a fight.

You got one now.

Understand that good how you do.

Call him a man-eater.

Yep.

Come on.

Or call yourself a man-eater.

I mean, one of the two.

It's there.

Jesus.

It is there.

Ugh.

Frustrating.

Handbiter.

Frustrating.

Handbiting is the first step of eating, man-eater.

It's the very first step.

Before you can climb a mountain, you must first eat a single hand.

Yes.

We all know this.

That's

the

Zen

poems.

The very strange sect of Zen Buddhists that were also cannibals.

It was a real weird one.

Some of those temples got disconnected from trade routes or something.

So

I think that this is about where I'm no longer all that interested in Owen and Alex.

I think that it was really fun and the drama was exciting.

Yeah.

But this has petered out.

And unless Owen does something really interesting, I can't imagine caring anymore.

Boy, they both really seem to have fucked this up by being a combination of bad at what they actually do

and also just like genuinely uninteresting.

Yeah.

You know?

Yeah.

And I think that they also probably both know that the other knows some shit.

Probably.

Like, I think that they both have good reason to not nuke each other.

Right.

We're mad at each other.

Yeah.

But we're not going where we need to.

It's real bad.

Yeah.

And we are probably never going to talk for sure.

Like,

we're not going to go below the belt.

If, I mean,

funnily enough, as Alex has pointed out about the Globalists many a time, is that if you're both complicit in something, oftentimes that means it's off the table.

Should you argue about things later, you know?

So I feel like maybe we might be in this kind of situation here.

Yeah.

I think that, you know, what I said on the last episode about Alex seeming to believe that Owen doesn't have any concrete proof of anything, I think that might be true.

But it makes me think that he's had private conversations with him about all like this is all bullshit or something like that.

And Owen knows that and could.

talk about it.

Maybe one that happened a couple of years ago at the beginning of

Owen's change.

Yeah.

Yeah.

When Alex sobered up.

So Alex moves on and he has an emergency surprise guest on the show, and that is his gold sponsor.

Oh, my God.

Kirk Elliott.

Hey, buddy.

So Kirk is

around.

He wants to, obviously, it's just like, let's talk about how great gold and silver are and how you should buy it for me.

Right.

But they also get into tariffs.

Right.

And this is what the stupid, stupid court system and judicial activism.

So Trump's reciprocal tariffs, you know,

not the sectional tariffs that he put on copper and aluminum and things like that.

We're talking about the across-the-board reciprocal tariffs where Trump said, hey, other countries around the world, if you've got tariffs on us, we're going to give you a tariff back.

Right?

He's within his authority and power to do so.

But the federal courts on Friday struck that down as being illegal.

And it's like, how could it be illegal?

The president can slap a tariff on anybody if he wants to, and especially countries that have a tariff on us.

There's nothing wrong with that.

So the courts ruled that Trump's actions in terms of placing huge tariffs on trading partners was outside of his power and that the tariffs were illegal.

Yeah.

Because of these rulings, Trump's Treasury Secretary Scott Bassett estimated that refunds the government would need to give importers could be between $750 billion to $1 trillion.

That's money that would be being paid back to companies, not consumers, who ended up carrying a lot of the burden of many of these tariffs as companies just passed on the prices

down to customers.

Yeah, yeah.

The courts rejected Trump's argument that he had authority under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act to justify his tariffs on anybody he wants whenever he wants.

They said that the law required that there be, quote, unusual or extraordinary threats and that this standard was not met.

Yeah, obviously.

Naturally, Trump has appealed this to the Supreme Court and he wants them to get to the case fast.

If they stall, the government might have to start paying back these tariffs in the meantime and that would be a huge problem.

Yeah.

If Trump has to pay back a trillion dollars, then the whole declaring the launch of the tariffs Liberation Day could end up becoming his version of Bush's mission accomplished.

Yeah.

And that looks really bad.

So

they don't want that to happen.

Probably not.

It's a good thing that they have control of the Supreme Court.

Yeah.

I'm not super optimistic that the Supreme Court isn't going to side with.

Oh, I think Amy Coney Barrett's going to step up to this one.

I think it's time for her to really show her true colors.

She may.

Yeah.

Who knows?

Yeah, it's possible.

I will say that Kirk is a little bit worried that the Supreme Court might

rule that these things are illegal.

If they decide...

that these tariffs for whatever reason are illegal.

Probably the law.

This is going to be ugly for the economy.

Now, I'm not saying that they're going to say that they're going to be illegal.

I'm just saying there's a chance because the Supreme Court's been squirrely lately, right?

So if they say it's illegal, this is the main mechanism for Trump to make America great again, to have other countries pay our taxes.

So he can actually have policies that say, if you make under $200,000 a year, we want to eliminate your taxes to actually reduce our tax rates to be able to hopefully reduce the amount of printing because other countries are footing the bill.

Why should other countries pay our taxes?

What does that even mean?

I mean, at the point where you're saying that, you're not even really talking about taxes anymore.

You're just saying that we deserve to live at the expense of people in other countries.

Yeah.

This is all such fraudulent argumentation, though, because one, tariffs are never going to replace taxes.

And two, tariffs are going to be paid primarily not by other countries and corporations.

Those prices are just going to be passed down to the consumer.

And Kirk understands this.

He knows that increased prices are going to flow downhill.

You have to.

Profits go up, expenses go down.

Yeah.

But there's another point here, and that is that no one is saying that the tariffs themselves are illegal.

And if Congress had imposed them, then the courts wouldn't have struck them down.

The tariffs aren't illegal.

It's illegal how Trump imposed them.

He didn't have the legal authority to do what he did.

So he committed a crime.

He stole like a trillion dollars.

Sure.

That's the problem, not the tariffs themselves.

Sure.

These dipshits really need to stop pretending that they don't understand basic aspects of the stories they're covering because this looks embarrassing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But that's only because it is

in every possible sense embarrassing to have to pretend like this embarrassing monster that you've created isn't an embarrassing monster.

We thought he was going to get away with this trillion dollars thing.

Right.

Right.

It genuinely didn't occur to us that this could go wrong.

Yeah, and I think that there's a little bit of a moment of slight honesty here on Kirk's part.

Interesting.

And that he's kind of clear that he just doesn't want the consequences of this.

If they deem it as illegal, you can't have other countries foot the bill for our expenses.

And worse, we're going to have to pay it back.

All the revenues that came in from the tariffs, we're going to have to pay back.

So let's pray that the Supreme Court has more than half a brain.

And they say, he's in his right to do this.

Because if they don't, the economic consequences are going to be pretty nasty from that.

But what if Trump, like what he did was illegal and outside his power?

This is the ultimate question for the InfoWars character.

If what Trump did was illegal, would you rather the Supreme Court sign off on his crime or stand up for the law despite the consequences that may come?

Yep.

This is the dividing line between what InfoWars used to pretend to be and what it's fine admitting to being now.

In the past, the rule of law handed down by the founders and the Constitution was sacred and it had to be followed to the letter.

But now the Supreme Court better let Trump get away with this because if they don't, we'll have to pay back the trillion dollars he stole.

It's going to fuck up all of our stuff.

People are all fucking worms.

I mean,

I don't know how you couldn't recognize that even saying a sentence like that means that the person shouldn't be in power.

By virtue of being in this situation where you are saying, if what this person did is illegal, if what this person did is illegal, then it will cost us one trillion dollars.

You're an idiot.

Yeah, there's an open question about the legality of this action that he capriciously took that could cost a trillion dollars.

And that's a trillion dollars of government money.

Where is that going?

That's going to companies.

Yep.

That's going to importers.

That's going to businesses.

Gonna have a great year.

That's a free flow of money that a lot of it comes from us.

No, they're going to be redistributed now.

No, they're going to pay the dividend to all of their customers.

Sure, sure.

No, they're going to make them whole.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's the whole idea here.

That's why the government is going to do this.

They're going to, it's going to be.

I read an article about this, and they talked to a guy who was like...

like runs an importing company.

And he's like, man,

if the Supreme Court upholds this, we are going to double our claims department because we are going to be getting so much of that back.

Absolutely.

It's just

everyone's getting fucked over, and these people are cheering it on.

I mean, yeah.

Yep.

Anyway, there's some good news that we can end this episode on.

All right.

And that is Alex has been talking about how the globalists are trying to kill his dad

by suing them.

Yeah.

And it's, you know, because we've brought this up,

I feel like it's my responsibility to also play this clip of Alex discussing how his dad is doing better.

Oh, good.

I mean, I haven't talked to him about this because it makes me cry.

My dad had half his brain stem blocked, and they said he had his aorta about to blow, massive ballooning.

And they said,

look, you have to have this surgery, but it could also block the other part of your brain when your blood slows down during this four-hour surgery.

You've got to sign waivers to do this.

They said, this is elective, even though it would normally be absolutely critical.

So when he had the car record, they scanned him and they saw this five months ago.

They said, oh my God, you got a surgery right now.

But then they found the brainstem block.

They did all the dye tests and things and CAT scans.

And the doctor, top cardiologist, said,

but there's a good chance once the aorta is fixed, it's going to build pressure back up the brain.

And

they're doing the scans and stuff tomorrow.

He's now in a rehab.

They thought he'd be in the hospital a month because he was in such bad shape, could barely walk.

His color all came back.

He's already out of the hospital.

And it's like my old dad, the genius.

Thank you for the prayers for my father.

And

this is just incredible.

They were surprised he could even walk with half his brainstem blocked on the side that does motor controls.

Because I did a bunch of scans, a bunch of tests, a bunch of neurologists.

So, so there's that.

But I've been so focused on all this, I haven't plugged.

I need your support.

I need it bad.

The products are incredible.

I'm sure they are.

Oof.

Oof.

Yeah.

I mean, on the one hand, I guess I'm glad his dad's doing better.

Just on a human level, people shouldn't be

in pain and suffering and what have you.

But like,

that sucks.

It's pretty shitty.

I would just like for more of the worst person in the world's dreams to come true.

What I would like is for them to be showered with ponies and ice cream and happiness at all turns.

That's, it makes me feel good watching all the suffering that occurs to the people who I know are, you know, and then

what you got to do?

But that's just, I hope somebody's dreams come true.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So

just to take the slight edge off,

here's

the little clip from the ad that follows this.

Okay.

Okay.

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So you support the broadcast and get even more store credit.

So for $100, you get $110.

And then you have the little frameable War Bond.

It's a cool piece of art.

Yeah, it's a cool piece of art.

It's a cool piece of art.

This sounds like things are good.

Yep.

Things are going great.

You give me $100 and I'll give you $110 InfoWar bucks.

Yep.

Oh, wait, I can't use that name.

Alex Jones Bucks.

We've printed off

little certificates that say one free hug from InfoWars.

They're very nice.

$100 each.

But you also get a $10 discount at a store that sells trash.

Oh, wow.

I think that the war bonds aspect of this, it's tough to sell.

And I think part of the reason for that is because

you are currently embroiled in an argument about how you passive aggressively didn't fire your employee for two years.

Yep.

So how much of that salary...

Like if you bought a war bond, how much of that war bond is going towards possibly the salary of someone who six months from now you'll remember sucked for the last two years.

Yep.

Like, what kind of confidence can you have that this money is going to the war that this war bond is for?

No.

Like it's just trash.

This is what I'm saying about the, like, this ship is sinking, and yet somehow this pile of trash is orchestrated in such a way that it can just caterpillar its ass across the top of a maelstrom.

Yeah.

This is insane.

It's a Magooian.

It is Magooian to

full circle this shit yeah but i mean eventually he's gonna fall off that that uh girding we all do yeah that god's girding at the end yeah so i hope that you know i i think that alex is a little insincere in the like i hope i never talk about owen ever again sure but i i sincerely uh i kind of hope we never talk about owen ever again yeah that'd be fun we had our fun and i'm glad we did but uh i hope this chapter's over and now we can just watch alex i guess attack Epstein victims on behalf of Trump.

Yeah, the first and last interesting thing Owen did was quit.

Yeah.

And I think it also, like, it showed me a dark thing about myself.

Yeah.

And that is that, like, you know, when Alex does these really disappointing, horrible things that are, like, invalidating of all of the principles he's pretended to have for years, it's kind of like, oh, yeah, that's what you expect.

Yeah.

And then when there's a little slap fight, I got really excited.

I mean, it was really exciting, though.

It was really exciting.

That doesn't speak that highly of me.

No, it's just a matter of deprivation.

Listen, you're naked and afraid.

You're hungry.

You haven't eaten for 12 days.

Boy, that tiny little bottom-feeding catfish, that might be the most delicious meal you've ever had.

Yep.

So thanks for that, Owen.

Thanks for being a bottom-feeding catfish.

You piece of shit.

We will be back with another episode to see where Alex, see how he finds the bottom.

But until then, we have a website.

Indeed, we do.

It's knowledgefight.com.

Yep, we'll be back.

But until then, I'm Neo.

I'm Leo.

I'm DZX Clark.

I am the mysterious professor.

Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo.

And now, here comes the sex robots.

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.

Thanks for holding.

Hello, Alex.

I'm a first-time caller.

I'm a huge fan.

I love your work.

I love you.