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There might have been a mix-up.

Yeah, sorry,

that's next week's script.

So

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Oh, my goodness.

A little bit offended, actually, right now, but you know, I'll take it.

It's always a fine line writing a script that has to welcome the guests, but also apparently slightly roast them.

I didn't write that, is all I'm saying.

What's this all about?

Yeah.

There's something very sweet about the usual shambles.

It's It's really nice to have a team of three people who bounce off each other really well.

There is a reason we keep inviting you back.

It is lovely to have you back on the show.

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Yeah, it's a show where we learn about anything and everything interesting.

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It's wonderful and it's chaotic, as you would expect from us.

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Just by watching the movie, how can you tell whether the writers on a Hollywood film collaborated as a team or worked separately?

I'll say that one more time.

Just by watching the movie, how can you tell whether the writers on a Hollywood film collaborated as a team or worked separately?

I mean, if you walk out of the film and go, huh, the writing there was really weird, I wonder why.

I might then be thinking, maybe they didn't work together.

But it's interesting you say it's not like a specific movie.

This is sort of more general than that, it seems like.

Yeah.

But just by watching the slang, like

people using different slang,

like the same character.

Language in general.

Yeah.

Yeah, like the same character using the same words differently, like the same.

Does the technicality count in do the credits count as part of the movies yes they do okay

that makes more sense

now

does it

oh are you trying to say that like in the credits it will say if they it'll be like a something and someone or they'll have separate title screens in the credits is that what you're thinking there yeah

because i know i i don't know if it's this one i know there is a distinction between story by and written by

in credits.

Like the wording there is very specific about whether you just like came up with, I forget the specific one, but it's like one of them is like you came up with just the idea or versus actually writing it versus like,

so I don't know if there's like a secret code word that's like a Hollywood lingo that means they worked separately.

Is it like an ampersand or an and?

Like saying yes, it is.

Yes, it's it's exactly that.

Slim!

Just like

Bob said, Spark, baby!

I was going to go into a rabbit hole about like story and teleplay and all the words and union rules and everything like that.

But that would have been a distraction because you're absolutely right.

It is whether

and or an ampersand is used in the credit.

If it's credited to Alice, ampersand, Bob, then they were a writing team.

They worked together.

If it is Alice and A and D Bob, then they worked separately.

Most likely, one of them rewrote the other's book and there's some kind of union contractual dispute.

You can occasionally see both in the same credits,

particularly for like TV shows where they've got a big writing team.

You will sometimes see story by A,

Ampersand B, and C.

Oh, wow.

Because the team worked on it and then the individual rewrote it.

Wow.

And at some point, the union will come in in the Hollywood and go, all right, they get credit, they get credit, they don't get credit anymore.

They did not provide enough in this script to actually get the right answer.

I'm gonna look into that now.

I'm gonna be, I have my eyes on that every time I watch something.

We will rattle straight on to the next question.

Ella, I'll hand it over to you.

This question has been sent in by Jabber Block.

A set of US community groups found banks costly to maintain and harder to find.

To improve access, in recent decades, they have adapted their activity to use flat rooms instead.

Which activity?

Flat rooms.

I'll say that again.

A set of US community groups found banks costly to maintain and harder to find.

To improve access, in recent decades they have adapted their activity to use flat rooms instead.

Which activity?

Harder to find every word of this is.

I'm confused at every level.

Okay.

Just to be clear, you said banks and flat rooms.

Yeah.

Is it banks as in financial banks or banks as in like bank staff or something like that?

Riverbanks.

Yeah.

Would I be giving too much away to stay that straight out of the gate?

Oh, okay.

You're going to make us work for that?

Okay.

Using flat rooms.

Sorry, they what was it harder to find and what was the other problem?

Costly to maintain.

Okay, so that costly made me initially think financial banks, but maybe it's.

I mean, are financial banks that that hard to find?

That was my thinking: was no, surely they're on Google Maps and you can just go to them.

But flat rooms is so funny.

Is flat rooms like a room in a block of flats, or is it like a flat room?

Oh, I assume it's a pack room.

No, no, I assume.

Not in the US, because they'd be apartments.

Oh, of course, yeah.

So, a room that is flat, every part of this is a puzzle room.

Room, as opposed to a round room, yeah.

What is

um

is is the now part of me is wondering is like is is it like the room like you know like the a chamber like of a gun like like a room of a something that would be not like a room when is a room not a room

these are rooms is it rooms in real life or is it rooms in like a digital sphere or something like that oh interesting no it's in real life and by ella's cageiness i assume we all think it's it's not financial banks at this point.

It must be.

Yeah.

I can confirm it is not a financial bank.

Okay.

River banks.

Yeah.

Hard because they're

harder to find.

So you need to.

Banking on.

Tom just started to do...

Tom Scott just started to do something a little bit with his.

I'm thinking like banking on a track of some kind.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because the alternative to a bank is flat.

Right, right.

Like on a racetrack or on some.

Yeah.

Oh my god.

Okay, wait, wait.

Now I'm realizing because Ella said U.S.

community group.

And I'm realizing that's going to be something, isn't it?

Because if it is like, you know, like NASCAR fans or something, like that would def that's, I would, I guess you could call that, that would be under the Wikipedia group of U.S.

community groups, right?

Well, I mean, you're getting closer in the sense that this is a high-speed activity.

Okay.

Oh, interesting.

Thelodromes, Cycling

has banked corners.

They sure do.

But I don't know why you'd use flat rooms instead.

Ice skating, ice hockey, something that involves speeding round a course that's banked.

It is speeding around a course, I can tell you that.

My thought was:

what if you could, you had a flat room, but the room itself could rotate, so it's like a simulator ride.

And then that would help.

And Elle's laughing because it's spot on.

Because then that would make it easier to maintain.

Roller derby.

That Tom Scott.

They've got it.

It's Roller Derby.

It's Roller Derby.

It's Roller Derby.

Because there aren't many Roller Rinks anymore.

There certainly aren't like Roller Rinks with banked corners.

So they don't have to use a Roller Rink at all.

I know someone who's vaguely involved with one of the London Roller Derby groups, and they just meet in a sports center in a flat room.

This is a perfect question for Ella because.

I used to play Roller Derby.

I know two people who play roller derby roller derbies.

So, so roller derby is a sport,

dominantly a women's sport, really.

There are men's teams, but it's very predominantly a women's sport, and it's played on roller skates, obviously.

And you have jammers, they have stars on their helmets, and they have to try and pass the blockers to score points.

Actually, if you had heard the name of the person who sent the question in, Jabber Block, I assume that that is their roller derby.

Oh my gosh!

Oh my goodness

so

roller derby began in the us

um and it's still huge there and it started on banked tracks while it was still you know yes it did easy to find those things but now it's it's really as i as i said in the question it's very expensive to maintain it's really hard to find those kinds of tracks so more and more communities have started moving to flat areas, flat tracks.

So you can just do it in a community center, like you said, Tom.

Oh,

that's amazing.

If you want to see some fun roller derby action on bank tracks, the film Whip It includes this, and that's actually what got me into roller derby.

Next question has been sent in by Scott Mitchell.

Thank you very much.

In 2017, a six-year-old in Dallas, Texas asked for and received a Kid Craft Sparkle Mansion doll's house.

As a result, a few people in the San Diego area were surprised to receive a doll's house shortly afterwards.

Why?

And one more time.

In 2017, a six-year-old girl in Dallas, Texas asked for and received a Kid Craft Sparkle Mansion doll's house.

As a result, a few people in the San Diego area were surprised to receive a doll's house shortly afterwards.

Why?

Her name is

like street name San Diego.

Her name's Sandy.

Oh, Ego.

Sandy Ego?

Always Sandy Ego.

Heir to the egg old fortune.

Yeah.

Or even something as silly as like part of the address is very, very similar.

And the parents were like, man, it's not showing up.

I guess we'll just order another one.

Man, it's still not showing up.

I guess we'll just order another one.

And that keeps happening until multiple children have dolls houses.

It's a lovely story.

What was the toy called?

The toy set?

The Kid Craft Sparkle Mansion.

But the other doll's houses were unlikely to be the same model.

Oh, I was going to say, I was wondering maybe if it was like that there's a street in San Diego called the Kid Kraft Sparkle Mansion.

Did you say Dallas, Texas, or just Texas?

The six-year-old girl was in Dallas, Texas.

Okay.

The other people who were surprised to receive a doll's house, they're over in San Diego.

San Diego.

I was wondering if this is, because I know there's like a Paris, Texas, so I don't know if that was going to be the mix-up, but this is interesting.

Did the other people who received dolls houses,

were they, did they also have children?

Were they also young?

Or was it like adults who ended up with these dolls houses really randomly?

Those were adults.

They were very surprised to receive them.

Kids Craft Sparkle Mansion dollhouse.

Strange.

It's interesting because this happened in 2017, right?

And I feel like before like online ordering, it would be easier for it's a you'd be looking for like a different kind of mix up, right?

So is this anything, is this like a very digital mix-up or is versus like this is a very, very digital mix-up.

Oh, is she is her name like

Sarah drop tables, like that XKCD joke that just messed up the system?

Her name is Brooke Nightzel.

So no, but

you are very much in the right ballpark with digital mix-ups here.

Okay.

How can you goof up an ordering system like that?

Oh, did she like sign into a different account or something like that?

A classic, like, um,

like was on someone else's online account and then ordered it through there.

Or even the family's previous addresses that they accidentally ordered them to.

Also, this is a six-year-old, and so maybe she put in, she didn't really understand she should not be ordering stuff online.

So, maybe she put in like an address,

yeah.

Was it like because with the name of the the house that she had has like five words in right?

So she had she she ordered five ones that were like kids dollhouse craft dollhouse sparkle dollhouse to random choices

did she put the name of the dollhouse in the address field

as like yeah exactly like Ella was saying yeah like I love that we're assuming the child ordered this yeah I mean

it's it's phrased very carefully that she asked for and received a doll's house is that did Santa mess up classic Classic?

Something a little more concrete than Father Christmas.

What's more concrete than Santa?

The Easter bunny.

For a birthday, for

I think you're all envisaging a kid on a tablet or something like that that they've stolen from a parent.

And I think the picture in your head is not quite right.

She called up on, uh, no.

Oh.

She was on a chat.

She was on a chat.

It was 2017, so she was was on a chat with a real person.

Not a real person.

Oh, a bot.

So, like an ordering bot.

Oh, Alexa.

It was an Alexa or a.

Yes, it was.

Elma.

And

you nailed it.

For the listeners that wondered what was just kind of fuzzed out there because we don't want to set off all your devices.

That was Amazon's.

ordering system that is tied into the little device that sits on people's desks that sounds like the female version of Alex.

Yes, Brooke Nitzel accidentally ordered a $170, well he's very accidentally, accidentally ordered $170 doll's house and four pounds of cookies while talking to her mum's and his neck on Dot.

That is the first part of the story.

Okay.

You've worked out the first bit.

Why were a few people over in San Diego surprised to receive a doll's house a few days later?

Could there have been like the news was on at the same time and like someone's addresses mentioned or but like but the news is definitely involved.

That's not quite how the story went.

Well because like how do you put in an address to an order from that from the name of the name that shall not be named?

I've never done that.

So do you do you actually have to say like a specific address or do you have to no, wouldn't wouldn't work that way.

I don't think you can say an address into it.

You'd have to you'd have to set it all up beforehand.

Is it like a default address in the system or something?

Well yeah, my thinking was like, is that

did they have a home address and then like a work address?

And maybe something in the background said, deliver to work, and it was sent to a parent's work address or something like that.

Dial in on news, Tom.

You were right there.

Interesting.

She had...

No, because you said you can't give...

I was about to say that she had like a newspaper and she just started saying things to it, but no,

so no one has said.

How might a message reach the population of San Diego specifically?

Do San Diegans have a different news delivery system to everyone else?

Yeah.

They'll have a different station to Dallas, certainly.

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

The person on the news, did the person on the news say this, like say the phrase, you can use your blank phrase, and then it triggered this person's...

Was it not even the six-year-old's fault?

Or like, did the newscaster say the phrase that triggered it?

Why would the newscaster say that?

Oh, my goodness.

So did the child

and then that news story was reported, and then that then

other people think?

Yes, Caroline.

This was a

team slam dunk.

That was great.

Oh, my goodness.

The story from Dallas got picked up by a news station in San Diego.

The news was really careful to kind of not say the phrase, and then the anchor afterwards summarized the story and said aloud, quote, I love the little girl saying,

Order me a dollhouse.

That went so

amazing.

Most of the orders were stopped, but that news station got complaints later saying,

A dollhouse has been ordered for me.

Wow, because that means that it must have happened to enough people.

Because I feel like a lot of people will be like, Huh, that's really weird.

I'll send that back.

It happened to enough people that people complained about it.

That's insane.

Oh, that's so good.

Oh, bumps that spike.

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Rock and roll.

This question has been sent in by Owen R.

Bit of a jump from the last one.

In 217 BC, during the Second Punic War, the army of Carthaginian general Hannibal was stuck in a valley with all exits blocked by the Romans.

One night, how did he borrow some horns to escape without engaging the enemy?

I'll say that again.

In 217 BC, during the Second Punic War, the army of Carthaginian general Hannibal was stuck in a valley with all exits blocked by the Romans.

One night, how did he borrow some horns to escape without engaging the enemy?

Well,

obviously, we're all thinking the same thing, which is disguise himself as a goat.

Or a cow.

Ah, don't mind me.

Shoot, I talked, I talked, I keep talking.

I'm just feeling like the word horns is not what I think is horns.

Oh, that's a really good point.

Yeah, just the entire brass section from a scar band and it just completely distracted

all this musical genre

who'd never ever heard of skanking before and just absolutely went for it.

That was it, right, Tom?

Yep, yeah.

Hannibal famous for wrapping up his army, being like, pick it up, pick it up, pick it up.

When you say escape, was it just Hannibal that escaped or his entire army escaped?

It was his entire, it was the majority of his army, yeah.

How big was his army?

Do you know?

It's in the order of thousands from some brief research, I think.

Oh, okay.

Cool.

So it's not just like an army inquiration mark, and it's actually just like five people.

Four people trusted.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

When I think of horn, I think of like...

like one of those um stereotypical like bone horns that people blow into and it makes like a

sound did one person like sneak out and make that sound and then the whole Roman army was like, we're being called back.

Let's head out.

And then they just like, it opened up the valve.

They played the Buzzella and they were like, oh my gosh, the World Cup on?

I'll say no to that.

It is.

Faking a summons or something like that.

You've got to...

If all the exits are blocked, you either have to make a new exit or you have to unblock one of the exits and get the people out of the way.

And I feel like horns are not going to help you dig a tunnel under an alp.

So

you would have to unblock an exit somehow.

You would have to move the people there out of the way.

Yeah, I'll say both Tom and Caroline, you're on the right track.

That is a sort of distraction.

Did they cause a stampede?

And people were like, oh, I don't want to be in the way of these stampeding cows coming towards me.

Let's move out of the way.

And then they were like, let's go.

You are so very close, Caroline, with that, actually, surprisingly.

Did they make the Romans think that there was a stampede coming?

Or did they cause a stampede?

Like, if you just, if under cover of darkness, you make a lot of noise and a lot of

stampeding cow horn noises.

Yeah, and like kick up some dust, hold some horns above your head so that it looks like it's not above your head.

You know, some eight-foot-tall cow coming towards you.

But, you know,

yeah, exactly what Sean was saying.

Where would he borrow the horns from?

Yeah.

Oh, wait, hold on.

We're assuming that these are, like, horns you blow to make noise.

They could literally just be the horns of a horse.

I'm back to animal horns.

I thought they were actual animal horns, hence the disguise yourself as a goat.

I just got distracted by skull.

Is borrow a really strong word?

And actually, they were taking horns either from a living animal or even from like a dead skeleton that they had found lying about.

So, I'll say you guys are

have a lot of the pieces here.

I'll say, yes, Caroline, borrow is like

a silly word.

Um, Tom, I'll say that you were right that there's something about uh the dead of night that is uh uh helpful for this, but I'll say for some of the things you do have it uh backwards.

Um, so I will say you have a lot of the pieces, and there's one thing you're missing here.

They caused a stampede.

Or they

or there is some local cryptid round there.

The wolf, the horned wolfman of the Tyrolean Alps.

I don't remember exactly where you were saying, but they scared someone.

They scared the Romans.

They scared the cows.

This is actually where the Jersey Devil comes from.

I would think it comes from Jersey.

Wait, Hannibal had elephants.

Oh,

I don't believe it.

It's not elephant-related.

And the interesting thing I believe for this is that,

yeah, this sort of like was a thing that Hannibal put together with what was

sort of at hand at the place he was occupying, I believe.

Oh, interesting.

I was sort of going along the lines of, you said that it was like the opposite was happening.

I'm thinking like maybe the Roman army is starving and waiting for food to come along and therefore distracting them by saying, look, here's a cow that you could go and slaughter, move out of the way, could then distract them in a different way almost.

So I'll say, yeah, Tommy, we're on the money with it being a stampede they caused.

And there's something in the trick that they played that works especially well at the dead of night.

Fire?

Setting things on fire?

Explosions?

You have all the all the pieces with fire.

You set the stampeding cattle on fire and send them into the roads.

A little safer than that.

What did they borrow?

Horns.

Flaming horns.

They set the horns on fire.

Oh, and just sent them.

Oh,

just sent them straight in.

What's a safer way, slightly safer way than doing that, is just

tying a torch to the horns of these animals.

Well, yeah.

Oh,

wow.

I think I need some more elaboration.

Yeah.

So, yeah.

Well,

what would that look like if you had a bunch of

horns with torches aloft?

Oh, like an angry mob.

Like

a bigger army than they had.

Oh, my goodness.

It's a torch-wielding mob that is actually just some cows you've taken.

You've taped some flaming torches to.

Oh,

which would then distract the army, letting them escape from another one.

Because it looks like they're all

right,

yeah, because it looks like there's a load of people over there with torchlight making themselves really obvious.

Yes, and it's actually just some cows.

The other one's gonna go with taped.

That's not how it worked.

Target

flaming torches.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I would love like a deeply historical reenactment of this, and the only thing they break is they use duct tape for some reason.

Yeah, yeah.

So, uh, the Battle of Ager Falernus, I apologize if I butchered that, took place in September 217 BC.

During the day, Hannibal's men tied wood and sticks to the horns of a large herd of oxen that they had captured.

And at night, they lit the wood and maneuvered the terrified, stampeding oxen up the hill towards the Romans.

And in the dark, the Romans believed that the flaming torches were being carried by Hannibal's men.

Then the Carthaginians were able to make their escape through the mountain pass.

And the Roman leader Fabius had his reputation badly dented by this episode and actually lost his consulship a few months later.

Thank you to Paul Thorpe for this next question.

In 1957, the Martin Baker Company has built up a club of 6,000 people who have used its products.

Nobody wants to join the club, but its members are very happy to be in it.

What's the criteria for joining?

I'll give you that one more time.

In 1957, the Martin Baker Company has built up a club of 6,000 people who've used its products.

Nobody wants to join the club, but its members are very happy to be in it.

What's the criteria for joining?

Having hemorrhoids.

Well,

why?

I mean,

nobody wants that for themselves.

But, you know, maybe this company sells a wonderful solution for curing your hemorrhoids.

So everybody's like, you know what?

I'm in a terrible situation right now, but

I'm really happy to be part of this club.

You reasoned through it, Caroline.

Like, I

still wouldn't have thought, bro, still the startlingness of that.

Yeah, no, it's now you've said it.

Yeah, that's a solid bit of logic.

That's a good answer.

It's just, I think that's the first time we've ever had someone just respond to a question with handy words.

The Martin Baker Company.

And it's like 6,000.

My guess was like, you know, it's like,

congratulations for like being like our top consumer of like our cookies.

Here's some more cookies.

And it's like, oh, I feel kind of guilty for having that many cookies, but I also, I'm glad that I got

it.

I liked where you were going with that, Caroline.

This idea of like, it's

something that helps you out of a situation that you don't want to be in, but you need the thing in that moment.

So I would assume it would be like something like

a helmet, you know, like a like some, you know, a safety equipment.

Like you don't want to be in like the falling off your bike club.

But

when you're in it, you're glad you have the helmet to stop that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Hemorrhoids.

Oh, wait, can we say that already?

Have we said that already?

Okay, sorry, let's immediately make

your bike club.

The falling off your bike club.

There are quite a lot of people who've been in the fall off your bike club.

The Martin Baker Club,

6,000 people is a bit more exclusive.

But are you saying it's like it's a safety thing or like a protective thing?

Absolutely.

Yeah, you've nailed that.

Okay.

I also realize that it's not.

Baker is just a surname, I assume.

It's not like an actual bakery.

I realize now.

That's fine.

It's hyphenated.

It's hyphenated.

You're not baking your Martins.

Are they for like military equipment of some sort or something along those lines?

Okay.

Yes.

Okay, if it's military equipment.

That's why it's so exclusive.

Okay, so military equipment, so it's going to be like

hemorrhoids.

Sorry.

Okay, I'm sorry.

I'm ruling this out.

I'm not having hemorrhoids be the running joke of this question

episode.

We're not having it.

I just had to.

Seriousness.

I just had to make sure all three of us got it in.

Okay, I'll stop now.

We'll all stop.

Stop the rule of three as we go.

Okay, we're done.

Were you to suffer from those, it would make this experience marginally worse.

Marginally, it's pretty bad anyway, but it would be marginally worse.

Oh, my guess was like, is it like fall out of a fighter jet club rather than fall out of a fight club?

Like, oh my goodness, is it parachuting or something like that?

You don't fall out of a fighter jet club.

You get ejected.

That's a good point.

You get ejected.

So, what do the Martin Baker Company make?

Fighter jet ejector seats.

Like, fighter jet ejector seats.

Martin Baker specifically made ejector seats.

That's

incredible.

And so there really aren't many people in the world who would want to join that club.

Oh, yeah, of course.

But if you have been saved by a Martin Baker ejector seat, they will send you a certificate, membership card, tie, tie-in, and so on patch.

Oh, wow, that's great.

You don't get that if you get hammer.

You loving human acceleration would be one of the people who would want to join that club for the joy of it.

No, no, I absolutely wouldn't.

I've talked about this before.

I have once sat in an ejector seat.

I got to take a trip in a a fast jet once, and the briefing is terrifying.

Like, it includes phrases like, if you are still conscious after ejection, like,

you end up shorter by a couple of centimeters, possibly for life.

Like, it is brutal because it is only used in extreme weight.

Because if it compresses your spine so much when it pushes you, like, that's

it's really a last resort.

Okay, there is a minimum weight for doing an ejector seat, they have to calibrate it to your weight, and below a certain weight, it will just snap your

mouse.

Oh my gosh.

You are literally on the end of a set of rockets that fire like that, and it is brutal.

This is one of those classic.

There should be an action movie that

breaks all of the myths where they knock someone out, quote unquote, and then they're like, oh no, oh gosh.

And then someone takes an ejector seat and is like, oh, I did not like that at all.

Oh, gosh.

I think you just invented myth busters.

Caroline, over to you for the next question.

Lovely stuff.

Why did scientists from Ghent University watch 200 hours of footage from 36 years of a prestigious Belgium cycle race?

I'll say that again.

Why did scientists from Ghent University watch 200 hours of footage from 36 years of a prestigious Belgian cycle race?

Is Ghent University in Belgium?

Yes, Ghent's in Belgium.

Okay, so it's Belgian researchers watching Belgian video.

Is this like an ecology thing or like conservation thing where the researchers are like watching, looking at the background in the

video to see how that's changed over 36 years?

Is Ella spot on?

Yeah.

Why?

What on earth?

All right, I'll throw in some dumb guesses then before we get started on that.

I was going to be like,

I was going to be like, are they studying relativity and the fact that if you go slightly faster on the bike or somehow,

I was going to be like, oh, have people like increased in speed in this cycle race over this many years, right?

I was looking down at my notes trying to divide 200 by 36 and going, well, it's only about

Romania.

Five and a bit hours per thing.

That's just the cycle race.

I genuinely haven't heard that before.

I just assumed.

If you're watching something over that, it seemed like something you would do, a longitudinal study.

It just felt like.

This is like an LLE method and everything.

Yeah, definitely.

Yeah, I was thrilled when I got this question, like, oh, I love this so much.

Sorry, Carolina, just yanked that right away.

No, that's something

she absolutely nailed it.

Yeah,

um, I'll give some background on this one because it is really, really interesting.

So, what happened here was they were looking at the Liage Baston Liage cycle race, which always takes place on the same course.

So, ecological scientist Peter Duffren Duffret was a cycling fan, which I love that he was just like watching an old clip of this race, basically.

That's so cool.

And then, yeah, so what happened was he noticed that the trees.

Yeah, it's for research, duh.

Trees.

Yeah, so he was looking at the trees in the background, just, you know, casually having a little look, and he noticed that they were unusually bare for the time of year.

And that sparked this idea, basically.

So, his colleague Lisa van Langenhove examined the archive footage of the race because it was available to them.

And she picked out specific trees to look at in the background of this race footage.

It's so good, right?

And then they compared like different videos from different races, literally from 1981 right through to 2016.

Just to be a scientist and to uncover a trove of like well-documented, like routine footage of a thing is like accidentally so that's why I'm just so researcher brained that I was like that's a good source.

Yeah

yes, right?

Absolutely and because the race takes place like the same time of year every single year and they can also look at things like the weather pattern to look at how

lush the trees looked, all of this sort of stuff.

And they were able to establish that trees were sprouting leaves up to two weeks earlier at the end of this 36 year period than at the start.

So in 2016 they were sprouting leaves two weeks earlier than they were in 1981.

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Well, that very quick solve means we have unlocked the shiny bonus question.

So, a quick one for you all.

The borders of all 50 US states have one of these, except for Hawaii.

What is it?

I'll say that again.

The borders of all 50 US states have one of these, except for Hawaii.

What is it?

A land border,

like with another state.

Oh no, Alaska doesn't have a.

I feel like more of them got it than that.

How many was it?

15 you said?

Yeah.

Or 50.

Alaska does not have a land border with another state.

No, it does with Canada.

English as their like set language, maybe?

Oh, something like that?

Yeah, that could be it.

That's about the states, not about the borders.

Oh, right.

Oh, sorry.

Yeah, of course.

A straight line?

Yes.

Oh!

Two for two.

Go on, why?

What's going on there?

I assume that the border of Hawaii is around the shape of the island, whereas other borders have been drawn by man on in between.

Yes,

simple as that.

Every U.S.

state has a straight line somewhere in its border,

even when it's meant to be following rivers for some of it, like somewhere.

In the legal definition, there will be some straight line somewhere, whereas Hawaii, it's just the coastline.

You can just say it's the

line is the land, and so that can be more,

yeah.

I am slightly wary that someone is going to come along and go, well, actually, there's a seawall on part of Hawaii, and that counts as a straight line.

But you know what?

We're going to let that question go.

Okay.

That's so off.

Hawaii is also the state with the fourth longest coastline.

I guess California.

California.

Alaska.

Alaska.

Florida.

Florida, you've named all three of them.

You're just blasting through the additional notes I've got here as well.

I was going to say the great state of New Jersey.

Ref.

Yes, and there is also Colorado, which looks like a rectangle and is in fact a polygon with 697 sides.

Nice.

Which is just surveying errors and curvature of the earth, and it's the closest they can get.

They should name that polygon the Colorado.

Yeah.

I mean, that was just incredible solving speed there by the whole team.

Congratulations to you.

Speed run.

We have reached the final question, the one that I asked right at the start.

And honestly, I think you're going to hate me for this one.

But nevertheless.

I believe you.

How is frozen?

You believe me that you're going to hate me or you believe in me?

Because those are very different sentiments there.

Tom.

How is Frozen the opposite of gravity?

Is it the songs Frozen and...

Yeah.

Oh, I was thinking Frozen and defied gravity, but maybe that's too, you know, there's like their key is like opposite or something.

The movie Frozen and the movie Gravity.

The movie Frozen and the movie Gravity, yes.

Wait, I don't know the movie Gravity.

What's the movie Gravity?

Oh, it's with Sandra Bullock

and

space, and she's an astronaut.

Yeah, and then she's just sort of like trying to get back to Earth, but it's a lot of like long shots of her like flailing through space and stuff like that.

Is it something to do with like the

color gradient of the films or something, or the t the length?

Is like a palindrome?

Does like one have like human voices on CG and one is like computer voices on the real I don't know.

Saturn volume draws clearly are not in that movie.

Their voices are not real.

I mean in a lot of that film the characters aren't real or it's just a face scan.

Yeah, right.

A lot of the shots and gravity, the entire environment, all the space suits, everything are full CG.

That makes sense.

Do we have to know much about the movie or know much about puns to help answer this?

Yeah.

Oh,

honestly, either one of those would solve it for you.

Is it like Frozen is the film with the most

sound, like music?

Like, or like it has a certain amount, and then gravity's like the opposite amount of quiet.

Is it because in one, she's supposed to let it go, and in the other one, she's supposed to hold on to the space station?

No.

No.

You know what?

That's close enough.

No.

That's close enough.

What is the famous song from Frozen?

Let it go.

Oh, let it go is said repeatedly and then hold on to the song.

What is the tagline from gravity?

The thing that was on the poster is.

Don't let go.

Don't let go is exactly right.

Yes, it is.

Let it go is the tagline and the song from Frozen.

Don't let go.

Oh my God.

Ella and and Caroline both had a hands fully.

I'm annoyed.

You said you were going to hate hands.

Because I put my lateral brain into it.

I'm thinking about times.

I'm thinking about palindrons.

I've been snapping away this episode, and then that's just, I'm so upset.

Thank you very much to all three of you.

I'm hoping we don't end on a sour note there, but you know what?

Apparently sometimes we do.

No, that was great.

No, that's great.

Thank you to all the crew from Let's Learn Everything.

Ella, tell us about the show.

We are Let's Learn Everything.

We talk about anything and everything interesting.

Science and miscellaneous.

It's wonderful.

It's chaotic.

There are so many topics which I'm sure someone else could tell you about.

Like Tom.

We have topics like the ecology that happens around whale falls, constructed languages, jury duty.

And if you're new to the show, we will have a best of episode that will be out.

We have one for this year and for last year if you just want like a little sampler to see.

And Caroline, where can people find you?

You can find us, our socials, our Discord server, all of that good jazz at letslearneverything.com.

And you can listen to the show anywhere you get podcasts.

And if you want to know more about this show, you can do that at lateralcast.com where you can also send in your own idea for a question.

We are at lateralcast basically everywhere, and there are regular video highlights at youtube.com/slash lateralcast.

Thank you very much to Caroline Roper.

Woo!

Ella Hubber.

Best wishes, Tom Scott.

Thank you.

And Tom Long.

Do do do do do

I've been Tom Scott, and that's been lateral.