154: Beware: falling house

Where can you be employed as a model citizen?

The answer to that at the end of the show.

My name's Tom Scott, and this is Lateral.

Welcome to the show, and it's time for the next part of our cryptic crossword challenge.

The clue for 27 across is next answer left on the side, seven letters.

And if you can't work out the answer to that, the next 40 minutes might be a tough listen.

Luckily, our returning players are as clued up as ever first of all joining us and in the same room as usual ever and caitlin welcome back to the show thanks for having us yay i just realized i did a british style cryptic crossword clue to a call full of americans there and i do apologize for that

straight over my head i was a pretend yeah i was just gonna smile

how are you two doing how is how is your world what are you doing at the moment we're doing great we we uh are having a lot of fun with our second channel videos recently.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

It's just like lower pressure.

It's really fun.

Right?

It's lovely.

Yeah.

We tried just seeing how thick we could make resin for science.

For science reasons.

Just like.

Well, before it starts crushing under its own weight.

Sort of, until it stops being resin.

I know what you mean, that it's nicer to have something that does not have all eyes on the big project that must work.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Very chill.

It almost like is back to when we first started YouTube.

Wow, you guys make projects that work?

Occasionally.

Which does bring me over to the other side of, again, this maker special.

Alice Bagnola, welcome back to the show.

Hi, thanks.

Thrilled to be here.

What is the success rate on your projects?

Because you do seem to have this ethos of, well, we'll see if this works, not it must work.

I know.

It is higher than it should be, I'll say that, because everything I go into, I'm like, oh, I've never done this before, and I'll never do it again.

But there's also the success rate of the video.

And as long as it's a good story, I call that a success.

Yes.

There is just such a difference between an idea that you've put years and years of work sometimes into go, oh, no one cares.

And like, oh, well, this didn't work, but it's fun.

Yeah.

Because in the end, what we're making are videos.

We're not, the end result is the video, not the thing we're making in the video.

Sorry, that just got too meta for me.

I was trying to come up with something clever there.

I was like,

that's just sage advice for people starting out making videos for YouTube.

You're making a documentary about the art, not necessarily the art.

Yes.

Well, good luck to all three of you on the show today.

It is time to sharpen your pencils as well as your wits as we look down and move across to question one.

Thank you to Yaron for sending this question in.

The Museum Plagiaris in Zollingen, Germany showcases product design.

In all, it has around 350 different exhibits.

How many objects is that?

I'll say that again.

The Museum Plagiaris in Solingen, Germany, showcases product design.

In all, it has around 350 different exhibits.

How many objects is that?

This is lateral, so I know that there's some way we'll be able to figure this out.

This is lateral, so it's not 350.

It's not 350.

Yeah, it's not 350.

No,

I'm trying to figure out the significance of like

how the

exhibits are broken up into 350 exhibits.

Like what counts as an exhibit?

And what counts as a product?

You mean like a single item versus like as a product line, one product?

Yeah.

I know that our question team had so much trouble phrasing this question.

For exactly that reason.

Okay.

So yeah, so like that makes me think the word object does not equal product.

Yeah.

Like the word object was chosen very specifically.

So we need to find how many objects

are in a product museum with 350 exhibits.

A human is an object.

A glass pane is an object.

A trash can is an object.

Oh, that's true.

So there are a lot of objects.

First of all, I'm a feminist and I am not an object.

There's a lot of potential um actually on this.

Like it has around 350 different exhibits.

We're just taking the number as 350 and saying how many objects would make up those exhibits.

If it's about the design, maybe there aren't any objects at all.

It's just the blueprints and the marketing or.

So the answer would be zero,

which is not the answer because he's not even reacting.

Okay, moving on.

What if objects count as like letters and numbers?

So maybe you add up the number of letters and numbers there are, and that's how many objects make up.

So maybe there's

some path down in that direction.

Yeah, is the 350 a red herring, and we need to look at the rest of the information and has nothing to do with the 350.

I think that you're on the right track because he said around 350.

So it makes me think that 350 has nothing to do with how many objects there are.

Yeah, the information is in the rest of the data.

There's certainly a connection.

You can actually find the answer to this with a simple calculation.

A simple calculation.

We're doing math.

Oh, oh.

So is it

one

exhibit is the design and one exhibit is the thing?

And so then we would just divide 350 by two, which I will not do on camera because it would take me too long.

Exhibits.

Exhibits.

Yeah, what what would make up

a single exhibit?

Because,

yeah, I feel like you are onto something trying to figure out like

what would be displayed and how many objects would that be.

And if they did have, for example, 350, like it seems like the 350 isn't relevant in terms of like needing to be exact, but it is relevant in terms of helping us figure out the math.

Yes, that's right.

Yeah.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

All right.

I'm on board with that.

Yeah.

So like if we know there's 350 exhibits, seven.

Because we're dividing by 50.

350 feels really easy to divide by 50.

And so the answer is seven, but I don't know why.

Maybe there's 700 objects or something.

Good news, Evan, you got the correct number and calculation.

It is 700 because there are two objects in each exhibit.

That's correct.

Okay.

Okay.

Yeah, I was thinking, so in each object, in each exhibit, there's the product itself and then the plaque describing it is what I was thinking.

No, this museum highlights a problem that product designers face.

A problem that product designers face.

Ooh.

Evolution.

Oh, or like dupes.

Caitlin, keep going.

Like knockoffs.

So there's like the real and then the knockoff.

Yes.

Museum of knockoffs.

It absolutely is.

This is the museum Plagiaris.

And my next clue is going to be repeating the name to you.

You clued it on all the bits about the numbers, the wording, and Plagiaris.

It is a museum of plagiarism, of copycats.

700.

That's great.

That's great.

So, yes, the museum consists of two copies of the same products, a genuine original placed beside a cheap knockoff.

This is the industrial designer Rideau Busser, who once saw some weighing scales being sold in Hong Kong that were a direct rip of one of his designs.

And even though he successfully sued that company, there were more and more copycats.

So when he realized that German law wouldn't protect him, he gives out annual awards, the Plagiaris, and those that receive the awards also have a copy in his museum.

I need to donate my velvet toilet, so you guys can put your toilet seat that I copy.

That would be perfect.

So you took it farther.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Much farther.

That was it.

That was a yes and.

Museum Pelagy Tufaris.

Caitlin, it is your question.

So this question has been sent in by Julian.

Two groups of 50 random people were shown a video of a gymnast overshooting the crash mat, a skier tumbling in the snow, and similar accidents.

The average response of each group was very different.

How?

Two groups of 50 random people were shown a video of a gymnast overshooting the crash mat, a skier tumbling in the snow, and similar accidents.

The average response of each group was very different.

How?

I, for some reason, read a lot of studies or read up or hear about a lot of studies.

And oftentimes, when there's two groups and they're shown something, each group is primed with a different

experience beforehand.

So group one might have just seen other funny videos and another group might have seen like hospital footage.

And then the emotional response is twisted by what they just saw within the context of that.

That's my guess.

There are loads and loads of studies like that.

And a lot of them did not survive the replication crisis, which was a few years back when a load of psychology results were...

I don't want to say the originals were wrong.

But people took those reports that showed you could prime people to have emotion, like big differences, and just tried to do the experiment again with a different group and didn't find the same results.

So there's definitely some effect there, but it's not as strong as it was.

Interesting.

I didn't know that those old studies were kind of like disqualified.

If it's a psychology result before about 2010, where it's like doing this makes people 50% more likely to,

maybe, maybe, maybe not.

Healthy grains of salt.

Yeah.

My first thought was an American show called, is it Wide World of Sports?

Am I naming that right?

ABC's Wide World of Sports, or something like that.

We are not good at people to answer that.

We only watch YouTube.

It famously had a title sequence that included both massive sporting successes and massive

accidents.

Like, it's not like they showed people being seriously hurt, but it would be like the ecstasy of victory, as someone gave, and the agony of defeat, shot of a skier missing the ski jump and tumbling, or something like that.

And it's like, was this the test for that?

Was this them going to audiences and going, which of these title sequences of people getting hurt is most likely to get you to watch this show?

So

I don't have information about how these clips were used after.

So how they were used after is not relevant.

That's a shame.

It's like, this is a really good pop culture reference.

No, it's not a good question or answer now.

I think about it, is it?

My inkling is

to say that the groups are different people.

That's, you know, some are skiers and they understand the pain that they're seeing, but it's random.

So something's been done to the groups to make them respond because they weren't different to begin with.

So it's something a part of the experiment.

It could be like the room that they're in.

It could be like.

Oh, the music.

Music has such a huge effect on the visual.

So the music was different for one group versus the other.

In one case, it's really sad, dramatic.

Look at these, these terrible fake.

They were at the peak of their career, and the other time, it's just entrance of the gladiators.

It's just the circus music.

So you guys are heading down the right track.

Now,

I'll just say that.

I'll leave it there for now.

Bone crunching.

That's always the worst.

They added, adding in that phony that sounds like

stuff.

Yeah.

Can you read it one more time?

Okay.

Two groups of 50 random people were shown a video of a gymnast overshooting a crash map, a skier tumbling in the snow, and similar accidents.

The average response of each group was very different.

How?

The average response.

One group was sociopaths.

No, they're random.

They're random.

They're random.

Yeah, they're random people.

One had a track of someone saying, you're inadequate.

Wow.

Was it the same visuals?

The exact same visuals.

They were not recut or reordered in any different way.

So the same visuals.

Same visuals.

Were they cold?

I know they make the room cold at a comedy club or a live taping to make people respond more.

Wow.

Was one room really cold and one not?

No, it did not have to do with the room itself in any way.

We were on the right track with music or audio, though.

You said that.

Yes.

The response was very different.

Laugh track.

Evan got it.

Everyone makes fun of friends for using the laugh track, and the edits where the laugh is removed is very strange.

But yeah, it does have an effect on humans.

Yeah.

The same compilation of Pratt Falls was shown to two groups of 50 people.

For the first group, nothing was added to the soundtrack, and only about four people said that they laughed.

On the second group, they added a sitcom-style laugh track, and 28 out of the 50 people found the video very funny.

So, we need to add more laugh tracks to our videos.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

The direction for lateral, you got to add in soundtracks.

I mean, we did a live show, and it went really well, but also we very deliberately had three comedians on the stage for that.

So,

yeah,

and a really cold stage.

I did not have to do the hard work there.

And if you'd like a ticket to the next lateral live show, you can go to lateralcast.com and book your tickets now.

Always be plugging.

Our next question is from Patrick.

Thank you very much.

In 1998, the Canadian National Railway intentionally derailed a train and drove it down a street in Montreal.

It was removed after a few days.

Why?

I will give you that one more time.

In 1998, the Canadian National Railway intentionally derailed a train and drove it down the street in Montreal.

It was removed after a few days.

Why?

And I will add, I have no idea how I'd never heard of this before.

This is so much down my alley.

I can't believe I've never heard of it.

It must be for some like fair or festival because it was there for a few days.

And it must have been like some sort of historic train or some train of particular importance for some reason.

Another thought I had was like, was a movie being filmed or TV show being filmed and they needed the train as a prop.

That could very well be the case, too.

That feels like a very Tom Scott thing.

Wait, hold on.

Talking about that or actually somehow getting a train to be a prop.

It's Bobo.

I genuinely tried not to do too much about trains when I was doing weekly videos because there are so many train stories, and then you just

become known as the train guy.

There's a lot of train guys out there.

Thomas, the train guy, come on, it's right there for you.

Damn.

Just start a brand new channel, just like Tom loves trains.

Tom's trains.

Tom's trains.

And just lean into it.

Okay.

Well, we didn't get too much reaction from those guesses.

So I don't think they were super close.

No, unfortunately, not the right paths to be going down.

Yeah, it's going to hit you weak.

Would there be like a safety reason?

Like, you know, maybe the train was already

on those tracks, but it needed to be derailed.

And the only place to take it was the street because there's some like emergency repair that needed to be done on the tracks or something like that.

I still feel like they're showing it off.

Like, come look at our

in the interior of our train and for

this display.

They drove it down the street.

So like if it was a safety reason or something, it could just be that the street,

you know, like planes will try to crash lance on streets sometimes just because it's like a straight open pathway.

So it could have been derailed to a street just because it was like the only option.

If there was some sort of emergency situation and the reason it took three days is because like that could just be how long it took to

resolve the issue.

issue oh you can't drive a train down the street with when it's derailed it's on something something else is driving it well then they probably put it on some like pulley system some like

different like

wheeled contraption to because they they wouldn't roll the metal rollers on the they actually

did roll the metal rollers on the street about a thousand feet gouging deep tracks as it went.

Wow.

Okay, that makes me think it was some sort of emergency.

It wasn't.

There wasn't time to plan.

Because that probably damages the wheels, too.

You'll have to replace all of those wheels.

Yep.

Okay.

Because those wheels need to be smooth.

What's the train about to hit?

That we had to derail it frantically like that down the street.

Didn't say that was frantic.

Oh, intentionally.

Mm-hmm.

It was intentionally derailed.

So that's expensive.

That's very expensive to repair the road, to close that road for multiple days, inconveniencing the town.

to repair the train.

Now, who knows if they repaired the train?

Maybe that train was being decommissioned or something.

True.

But that would normally be decommissioned in the rail yard.

Bridge collapse.

Evan, you said inconveniencing the town.

Actually, the townspeople requested this.

Ooh.

Okay, that.

Are the grooves stopping something?

I don't think so, because there's easier ways to make grooves than

sacrificing.

Is she really a train?

The type of train is also important.

And Caitlin, earlier you said emergency.

That is still true.

Even though it wasn't frantic, you got that right.

I wonder if there's some, was there some sort of like natural disaster and the train was

like it had like supplies or something.

Now we're getting close.

Yes.

In Montreal.

Yeah, so there would have been, there could be like a snowstorm or an ice storm yeah or something where either the townspeople couldn't get to the train with it being on the tracks or the track like couldn't continue on the tracks because of whatever weather event was going on or the trains provided some sort of utility for the town maybe the train was for shelter yeah and it it was derailed onto the street and everyone got in there to to shelter from some disaster Or it could be like a snowbreak or a fire break or something like that.

An avalanche break.

Oh, you said snowbreak.

Yeah.

You are so close.

You're right that it's an ice storm.

You're right that this part of Montreal is having big problems with this ice.

But the train is doing a job.

Could it be a snow plow train?

Because I know in northern countries, there's amazing videos of these massive trains with this giant steel

and it just like pushes all the snow off of the rail rail to allow trains behind it to go through.

So it could be like a snowplow train.

Staying in the town

sounds like it's important.

Oh, absolutely.

Water.

Is it carrying water?

No,

but...

Is it carrying fuel and it was like fuel to resupply the town?

Or it could be like rock.

So it's just a rail, yeah, something.

So like it's more sturdy.

It was a diesel train, not an electric train.

So people were siphoning fuel from it to heat the town.

No.

So

the train's on and it's heating and melting things around it.

And

well, yes, the train is on.

What else might it be able to do?

Because a diesel train.

It's a great energy.

Keep going, Evan.

Okay, so the town was there's there's a blizzard and the town lost power the train derailed intentionally

and then they the town hooked up to the train's power source to give the town energy during this emergency yes uh a diesel train like this one is basically just a giant generator that runs off diesel.

So this is 1998.

The Montreal suburb of Boucherville experienced an ice storm, knocked out the electrical grid.

Diesel-electric locomotives are essentially a large, powerful electric generator that runs off diesel fuel.

So Canadian National drove a suitable loco to the nearest train station.

A crane took it off the track, and then they rolled it down the street and hooked it up to the nearby municipal buildings with cables, and it provided 375 kilowatts of power from its diesel generator until they could get the grid back.

Wow.

Dang, that's impressive.

That shows community coming together.

You know, that's a really positive story.

I like that.

You know, because I'm sure it was a lot of cleanup and pain and hassle afterwards.

Oh my gosh.

Because like, that's a lot of repair.

It's an enormous amount of repair, an enormous amount of everything, but it kept the population going for the few days they needed it.

I am delighted to say we have another live recording coming up.

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Ali, it it is over to you for the next question.

All right, this question has been sent in by David Lever.

In the 1970s, Sam invited the whole family to his place.

While looking at a falling house, everyone was rather disappointed.

However, after 20 minutes, the family members suddenly became happy.

Why?

And again,

in the 1970s, Sam invited the whole family to his place.

While looking at a falling house, everyone was rather disappointed.

However, after 20 minutes, the family members suddenly became happy.

Why?

When looking at a falling house?

No, falling?

F-A-L-L-I-N-G?

Yeah.

Wow.

Okay.

My first instinct is that they're watching like an HGTV show

and they're seeing like

a house that's like falling down and falling apart and after 20 minutes they're all happy because everything's been repaired and remodeled.

I mean, you're you're cl you're on the right track.

Okay, they're they're HGTV house flipper?

I was thinking that they were like coming to see the demolition of something.

Like, there's a house that's being torn up or something like that.

What about Wizard of Oz?

Is that around that time?

Oh, my.

You're on the right track.

Okay, so

they were watching a falling house because in Wizard of Oz, the house gets picked up and it falls.

And then 20 minutes later, I guess, is the happy ending of the movie?

No, because it's much longer than 20 minutes.

maybe oh

but is there like another movie or another something that they could be watching

um with an iconic falling house maybe

the house that they were at is one of the actors that was in the movie and

um they were initially disappointed that the person wasn't in the film but then the person was in the film later like 20 minutes after the house.

Wait, is this is this definitely Wizard of Oz?

Have we found that?

You have nailed it.

Yes, Falling House is iconic, and you got it right away.

Okay.

I'll think it's about that time frame.

Okay, so it is Wizard of Oz.

So Sam has invited the whole family over to watch The Wizard of Oz.

So who is Sam?

Is Sam an actor?

Is Sam a director?

Is Sam a producer?

My guess is that he gets involved in the movie somehow.

And you said that the family was initially initially disappointed, right?

Correct.

And then, why, after 20 minutes, would they then suddenly be happy about it?

Oh, Tom's got it.

Yes, I have.

Uh, what happens 20 minutes into the Wizard of Oz?

They're watching the movie, and 20 minutes in, there is a big, famous thing that happens.

Yeah, and the big turning point to me is when it's it goes into color.

That's it,

yep.

Oh,

so why

were people disappointed until then?

Sam told his family, hey guys, come over and watch a movie.

There's a brand new technology.

It's called color TV.

And then the family came over and they were like, oh, there's black and white.

But then it turns color and they're like, whoa, color's on TV.

That is it.

You guys nailed it.

Well done.

Yes.

Sam had replaced his black and white television with a color television.

To test it, he put on The Wizard of Oz, which is the famous 1939 film that you guys knew.

However, he didn't realize that the first 20 minutes are black and white, and only then does it transition to Technicolor.

So,

David, the question sender, says that this story is true.

In the 1970s, a family member finally got a color TV.

This was in the UK, and the color service on BBC only began fully in 1969, so most British families hadn't bought a color TV set yet.

When they went to test the TV and Wizard of Oz was on, they didn't realize for the first 20 minutes that the film was in black and white.

And they thought their TV was either broken or that the color TV was rubbish.

And then they finally got the surprise.

Wow.

I was so confused during the initial question.

I'm like, why are they watching a falling house?

I was like, did I mishear this question?

My brain really was malfunctioning.

This next question is from Tice.

Thank you very much.

In a certain profession, a standard set of instructions will contain a list of items and their amounts in percentages.

These values will always add up to more than 100%.

One item is usually listed with the same percentage.

Name the profession, the item, and its value.

I will give you that one more time.

In a certain profession, a standard set of instructions will contain a list of items and their amounts in percentages.

These values will always add up to more than 100%.

One item is usually listed with the same percentage.

Name the profession, the item, and its value.

I was initially thinking like cooking, baking, but that then I didn't make sense.

Now I'm like, chemistry?

Why didn't that make sense, Seven?

When would a recipe be more than 100%?

Also, recipes don't do it by percentages.

They do it by amounts.

And that's the, the, the, because, like, so many of these lateral questions are like very precisely worded.

And percentages doesn't read to me as cooking.

That reads to me more

as like chemistry.

I think resin.

Well, more like science or something like that.

Yeah.

Unless you're scaling up and down a lot.

Someone who does a recipe that's doing a small batch and then a big batch, and you need to continually change the batches.

Yeah, maybe in like commercial cooking, it might be percentages.

Well, that fell quickly.

You're absolutely right.

The profession is baking.

Oh.

Okay.

But I still need the item and its percentage.

And when you said that this item normally has the same percent, yes, you're talking like across recipes.

This item.

Across recipes.

Okay.

Is it love?

Is it 100% love in every recipe?

I did like, Evan, that you confidently ruled out your own guesses several times in a row there.

And then I'm just sat here, like, I mean, how do I, how do I tell him?

It's

you've dismissed the correct answer, which is a rare thing on here.

Well,

so there.

What's in every great baking recipe?

Water.

Yeah.

I mean, if we're thinking about baking specifically, there's going to be a lot of overlap in ingredients.

You're going to have like a leavening agent, flour, eggs, salt, sugar.

Good news.

You've named it.

Okay, guys.

Who remembers what I just said?

So, so this just has to be the same percentage across recipes.

So it's like what is gonna almost always be in the same ratio.

There's certain I'm still struggling with the over 100%.

How is it over 100%?

We can only

solve for one thing at a time.

Maybe it's just like a

word.

Well, so I'm thinking like

for something like a leavening agent.

Yes.

And I'm just using this as an example because I'm not, I don't like bake a lot.

But maybe like there's there's always a percentage of like leavening agent to rest of volume because it like has to add enough air bubbles for the rest of that volume.

Like there would be, it would always be the same percentage whether you're scaling up or down.

It would always be 10% or 2% or whatever.

You're scaling these recipes up and down.

You said that, and you're absolutely right there.

You don't know as you're writing these recipes down whether you're making a tiny batch or enough to feed an army.

So how might you write those quantities?

One part, two part, three part.

Yeah, this is something called a baker percentage or a baker's percentage.

It is the way that some big baking recipes are written down.

There is one key kind of logical jump here that I think is really unintuitive if you're used to regular recipes.

So it is like a certain type of recipe.

that gives it in parts that ends up being over to 100%.

So it's like, if it's like...

It doesn't use parts, it uses percentages.

Percentages.

Percentages.

What's the baseline here?

Like establish the ingredient.

Like what's always going to be in every baking recipe?

Flour.

Yes.

Okay.

Flour in almost all baking recipes like this will be marked with the same percentage.

I mean, I'm thinking like 50% flour.

Remember, the numbers add up to much more than 100.

So maybe the flour is 100% because you're aiming to get it.

Yeah.

The ingredient is flour.

The number is 100%.

So knowing that and knowing this is called a baker's percentage, how is this recipe written?

If you have 100% flour and 100% sugar, that means equal parts flour and sugar.

Yes.

Spot on.

Why would you do that?

It's just like when we make thick resin.

It was the same.

Oh, right.

100% resin, 100% silica.

100% resin.

It's easy for us.

It's 100% silica.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah, that does kind of make sense.

Yeah.

So 100% is the baseline.

Wait, you've used this before?

Yes.

We just recently used it.

We didn't know it was a thing.

We only had two ingredients.

But so in a way, 100% flour is like one part flour to a certain part, yes.

Other things.

So it's just like a ratio, kind of.

Flour is always the base.

One percent.

Yes.

Yeah.

It's a lot easier to say percentages rather than parts because if you have 2% yeast, you don't have to know like one fiftieth of a part or 50 parts flour.

Yes, yes, yes.

Wow.

No, that does make a lot of sense now that I've gotten to the end.

It does.

Once you complete it, it's just baffling beforehand.

I was like, I don't understand how it's more than 100%.

My logical brain is breaking.

Percent is just a concept.

Yes, this is the baker's percentage, which instead of writing weights or volumes or parts, lists the biggest ingredient as 100%

and ratios everything else from there.

Evan, it is your question.

This question has been sent in by Nick.

In 2011, teenager Akel Carr was given the nickname the Crime Stopper in his hometown of Baltimore, Maryland.

He wasn't a police officer, vigilante, or involved in law and order in any way.

Why did he get that epithet?

One more time.

In 2011, teenager Akel Carr was given the name the Crime Stopper in his hometown of Baltimore, Maryland.

He wasn't a police officer, vigilante, or involved in law and order in any way.

Why did he get that epithet?

Did I pronounce that name correctly?

You pronounced Maryland wrong.

It's a few times.

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

How did he say Maryland?

Maryland.

Maryland.

Maryland?

Maryland.

It's not Maryland.

Should I say it again?

I'll say it again.

We're keeping that one in.

We're keeping that one in.

Okay.

It's the land of Mary.

The Maryland.

Okay.

My first thought is this is

the Batman kid.

Although I know you said no vigilantes.

I remember there being a kid whose wish was to be a superhero.

I think he had some illness and his sort of wish that they give kids was like, I want to be Batman.

So they gave him the Batman suit.

He got a ride round.

He got to arrest a staged criminal.

But you said not a vigilante.

I feel like even in a question like this, that would count.

You are completely wrong.

Okay.

Great, great.

So this is making me think about how when you're supposed to not do crimes, they'll put mirrors around you.

At any self-checkout, if you can see yourself, you're less likely to do something illegal.

And so, is this kid just hanging out somewhere that just being a pair of eyes that ends up making people realize, oh, I shouldn't be a criminal?

No.

So, he's not like indirectly stopping crime.

He did not personally intervene in any crimes.

Oh, that rules out my plan that he'd got a hairdryer and was pointing it past cars to make it look like a speed trap.

Is he the son of a big criminal, and that criminal was then doing paternal things instead of criming?

Oh, so the the mafia boss has decided to go legit now because

got a kid.

Or he stopped working so much because he's at home with the crying baby.

Also, if my American television knowledge is right, mafia is the wrong term for Baltimore.

That's a different state.

So, Allie, think broader.

Your same idea with the father, but think like

bigger in a way.

It's Jesus.

Sorry, I shouldn't have probably immediately laughed at the phrase, it's Jesus, but

he's a real crime stopper.

What can I say?

He stopped a lot of crime.

How old was the kid again?

He was a teenager.

He's a teenager.

Okay.

He was in high school.

He was in high school.

I wonder if he did he like do something or get involved with his school or some sort of like community program that like got other kids off the streets or something like that, like a a preventative measure so it wasn't involved in any active crimes but something that would like

like

help

kids not go down that path or like his peers or something

what year was this 2011.

okay no that is that is too late for 90s educational rap never mind

what was that study where they cleaned up the graffiti and then suddenly crime stopped happening on those streets when you make the streets look like crime shouldn't happen there there.

Was he cleaning?

Maybe he did a mural.

What other things could a high schooler be involved with that would

affect a large crowd, perhaps?

Oh, he's a football player and everyone's coming to watch him instead of stealing on Friday nights.

Oh, like that.

Like that story, there were no crimes when the Beatles played on the Ed Sullivan show.

Which I don't think is true.

You guys are so close.

I don't know if I should give it to you or not yet.

So he's a different sport player.

Basketball.

Basketball.

Okay.

You got it.

You got it.

So that's it.

Carr was a high school basketball phenomenon.

In 2011, the Washington Post reported that he had been given the nickname the Crime Stopper because everyone in East Baltimore, even the criminals, flocked to watch him play.

A similar effect had been seen in the Philippines when boxer Manny Pacquiao was in action.

In 2008, Manila police claimed that the recorded crime rate hit 0%,

at least for a short while.

See, he was just a really good basketball player, and everyone wanted to see see him play.

Wow.

Very wholesome.

We love it.

That's the perfect time to do a crime.

Are you kidding me?

The game's on.

Let's go steal everything.

Do the biggest crime.

It depends whether the police are over there.

If the police are watching him play, perfect crime time.

I didn't mean to rhyme that, but we'll stick with it.

If the police are still patrolling, on the other hand,

not great.

Those were solved very quickly.

So we have unlocked the shiny shiny bonus question sent in by Jill Mawalana.

Thank you very much.

People such as Barack Obama, Jamie Lee Curtis and Bill Gates have held this record for 0.3 seconds on average.

What is it?

I'll say that again.

People such as Barack Obama, Jamie Lee Curtis and Bill Gates have held this record for 0.3 seconds on average.

What is it?

0.3 seconds.

That's a very short amount of time.

And then it passes along to someone someone else, or does it revert back to the original title hold or something like that?

I feel like with the way records work, it would have to pass along to someone else.

Because records don't like revert, as far as I know, they don't go backwards, they can only go forwards, like it can only be pushed farther.

So, that means it must be a record that

gets broken.

Wait, the latest person born.

Oh my word, out of nowhere, Evan, keep talking.

Tell me about it.

What?

I was thinking, what's something that's happening continuously,

but that's a distinct event that would be held by people.

And it was the last person born.

Because there's people being born at that pace about.

Oh my God.

You know, I held this record as well, actually.

And you picked better celebrities than me.

The way it's phrased on my card is youngest person on earth.

The first one I've got is some other famous people who've held the record.

Abraham Lincoln, Whoopi Goldberg.

Using the best estimate possible, I held the record for about 0.23 seconds.

Why is my number different?

Your twin?

Wouldn't make a difference.

Twins don't come out 0.23 seconds apart.

Oh, yeah, you're right.

It must have been during the time when birth rates were lower.

Lower?

Oh,

it was higher, right?

Because it went from 0.3 to 0.23.

Yes.

Higher birth rate.

Yes, absolutely right.

So you came out nine months after Valentine's Day.

That's why.

So obviously, it depends on the month of the year, which year it was as well.

The major part of the difference there is that there are just more people being born as you get later.

And the people we mentioned there, Barack Obama, Jamie Lee Curtis, Bill Gates, those would be sort of 1960s kind of late baby boomers.

By the time you get to the millennials, it's about 0.23 seconds.

And 2012 would be 0.216 seconds of holding that record.

We're picking up people.

So there's a complete red herring to list famous people.

Absolutely.

100%.

Absolutely.

I'm sorry.

It's like, we unlocked the shiny bonus question that's going to buy us time.

I'm sorry that I destroyed it.

Which brings me finally to the question at the very start of the show.

Sent in by Adam Rayner.

Thank you very much.

Where can you be employed as a model citizen?

Is it like the UN or something?

something?

Why do you say that?

Because there's model nations.

I don't know what that is.

This might just be a US thing, but I thought that like the US school system sent kids to like the model UN.

Oh, yes.

It's like a simulation, right?

Loads of kids go

to fake represent countries and learn diplomacy.

You're saying simulation, was there a second life you people got paid to be NPCs?

I don't know what was happening in the 90s.

Model Model citizen.

AI training data.

Oh.

Because a model citizen is like a phrase.

That's like a common general phrase.

A model citizen.

I'm not saying it's model citizen.

But what if, like, we need to take it literally?

Like, it was somewhere paying models to come be a citizen.

We have a citizen sketching class, and we need you to stand here.

Yeah, we need more hot people.

Yeah.

Is this extras?

You're doubles in a movie and you're being a citizen in the background?

That's closer.

It's certainly not in the terms of fashion model, and it is absolutely a pun,

but it's not that sense, Alec.

It's a pun.

It's a pun.

A little bit of a pun, citizen.

Oh,

those

when they're recreating old-timey towns for tourists, you can be a citizen of the town and you reenact and you stay in character, and you can't even tell people where the bathroom is or the souvenir shop.

Now you're getting very close there.

One of my notes is that in similar places these might be referred to as cast members.

Ooh is this like Disney Disney?

Very similar.

Yes.

So who calls their cast members or at least some of their cast members model citizens?

Or it's like my brain goes to other Disney-esque things like Universal Studios.

Yep.

Keep thinking that way.

Okay, so we're on the right track.

So like a Universal Studios.

I don't know any more amusement parks.

Six flags.

Would it be like outside of the US, maybe?

More European.

These definitely exist in the US, but more European.

Oh, Lego.

Ali, talk us through it.

Lego's modeling.

And the little yellow dude is a Lego model.

And so they are all model citizens.

Yes.

Legoland calls the actors in Lego suits model citizens.

Spotted.

We're so close.

Well done, Ali.

Well done, everyone.

What's going on in your lives?

Where can people people find you?

We will start with Evan and Caitlin.

You can find us on YouTube and Twitch and other things.

Something recent we made that you can come see is we made a Tesla lightning staff that shoots lightning.

Wow.

So if you want to see how we made it, that's on our channel.

I would turn it on, but I don't know if Tesla coils will interfere with audio equipment.

So many electronics.

Let's not take that risk right now.

Where can people find you?

Evan and Caitlin on YouTube.

Yeah.

And Allie.

Hi, you can find me as Ali Spagnola on YouTube and all of the other platforms.

And I just recently made a life-size version of my dog out of paper.

So go see that.

And if you want to know more about this show, you can do that at lateralcast.com where you can also send in your own ideas for questions.

We are at lateralcast basically everywhere.

There are video highlights at youtube.com/slash lateralcast and full video episodes on Spotify.

Thank you very much to Ali Spagnola.

Thanks.

This was awesome.

Evan and Caitlin.

Woo!

Thank Thank you.

My brain feels sore but stronger.

I've been John Scott, and that's been lateral.