Married to the Mob

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Speaker 6 For several weeks now, small groups of Italian Americans have been picketing FBI headquarters in Manhattan to protest the use of terms like mafia and gangster, which they regard as ethnic slurs.

Speaker 6 Today, the protest took on all the appearances of a full-fledged movement as thousands of demonstrators gathered near Central Park to celebrate Italian American Unity Day.

Speaker 3 In 1970, Joseph Colombo founded the Italian American Civil Rights League.

Speaker 7 You are organized! You are one!

Speaker 7 Nobody could take you apart anymore!

Speaker 3 The group was formed to stamp out the stereotyping of Italian Americans Americans in motion pictures, television, and the government.

Speaker 3 Colombo had cast himself as an outspoken watchdog on behalf of his fellow Italian Americans.

Speaker 7 Italian Americans face an insidious bias that comes from a mythical association with crime. The fact is that our more than 22 million Italian Americans, only 5,000, a mere 1/50th of 1%,

Speaker 7 not a half, not a quarter,

Speaker 7 50th of 1% are involved in organized crime.

Speaker 3 Joe Colombo also happened to be allegedly the head of one of New York's most formidable mob families, and he had his sights set on shutting down the Godfather.

Speaker 3 I'm Mark Seale.

Speaker 8 And I'm Nathan King.

Speaker 3 And this is Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli.

Speaker 8 This episode takes us to the streets of New York City where the powers of the mob come head-to-head with Paramount moviemakers.

Speaker 8 Mark, do you think anyone involved in the making of The Godfather expected the actual mafia to oppose the film?

Speaker 3 No, never. You know, nobody thought that anybody would care about the movie, much less object to it.
I mean, this was a fictional story about a fictional family, so who's going to care?

Speaker 8 But as it turns out, people really did object to it. And when did that start, that pressure campaign?

Speaker 3 It started almost from the beginning. You know, Al Ruddy tells the story of he met with Mickey Cohen in the beginning, who was the former associate of Bugsy Siegel, no less.

Speaker 3 And he invited Al Ruddy to lunch. And according to Al, he said, the guys are watching you.
And Al Ruddy must have thought, what guys? You know?

Speaker 3 And he said Mickey call off your dogs this is a movie who's gonna care about it but then strange things start happening

Speaker 3 a mysterious man shows up in the office of Paramount supposedly with a check for one million dollars which he would give them in exchange for dropping the picture death threats became routine ruddy began keeping a 45 pistol in his desk he said he didn't know who the calls were from but they were threatening him.

Speaker 3 And so people were getting paranoid.

Speaker 8 But the most opposed group was the League. Can you tell us a bit about that?

Speaker 3 So in 1970, Joe Colombo founded the Italian-American Civil Rights League. It was a revival of the defunct Italian-American anti-defamation league, but he wanted it to be bigger and more powerful.

Speaker 8 We got the opportunity to speak with Joe Colombo's grandson, Anthony Colombo Jr., who gave us some insights into what his grandfather's motivations may have been.

Speaker 9 He says there are Italian-American organized criminals, but there are organized criminals in every ethnicity.

Speaker 9 And so the Justice Department has only labeled and stigmatized one ethnic community, an Italian American community, and it's unfair. And his goal was to largely help the Italian-American community by

Speaker 9 eliminating these stereotypes.

Speaker 3 It's interesting to hear from his grandson about the lasting legacy of the league, but I do think it was about more than combating stereotypes. For Joe Colombo, this was personal.

Speaker 3 April of 1970, the FBI arrested his son and charged him with a scheme to melt down coins and sell the silver.

Speaker 3 Colombo thought this was harassment, so he decided to get a group together and pick it outside of FBI headquarters.

Speaker 3 And he accused the FBI of unfairly targeting not only his son, but all Italian Americans. And within a week, this new league was born.

Speaker 10 Will you welcome, please, Mr. Joseph Colombo.

Speaker 3 In June of 1970, he hosted the first annual Unity Day, which was a rally of 50,000 Italian Americans stretched from Columbus Circle deep into Central Park.

Speaker 7 God, I was born of Italian birth.

Speaker 8 It seems like a really unusual position for a mafia boss to take. What made him decide to put himself in the public eye in that way?

Speaker 3 It was very unusual, but Columba was amassing political power while denying any affiliation to organized crime, and it seemed like the sky was the limit.

Speaker 9 My grandfather met with Abe Rosenthal and told him, if you don't eliminate the word mafia La Cosa Nosha out of the New York Times, the papers aren't rolling.

Speaker 9 Because they, remember, they had control of the unions. And so they had a stranglehold on New York.
And that was the power with which my grandfather influenced.

Speaker 3 Joe Colombo's League was suddenly rich with cash from donations and members across the city.

Speaker 3 They decided to host this big benefit at Madison Square Garden, which was headlined by no less than Frank Sinatra.

Speaker 8 And what happened to Colombo's son who was arrested?

Speaker 3 He was acquitted after the chief witness suddenly recanted his statement.

Speaker 8 How convenient.

Speaker 3 And now, emboldened by his success, he sets his sights on a more ambitious and far-reaching mission. He's going to shape the way Italian Americans are viewed in popular culture.

Speaker 3 Here's Anthony Colombo Jr. again.

Speaker 9 When Mario Puzzo's book became a bestseller and was going to be made into a movie, there were efforts to combat that by my grandfather and the league.

Speaker 8 It's interesting that the very thing that ultimately made The Godfather a success, which is the

Speaker 8 interest of Italian-American audiences, is precisely what worked against it in the first place.

Speaker 3 But, you know, nobody really understood what the movie was going to be except the people that were making the movie.

Speaker 3 So from the outside looking in, I'm sure that they felt it might be bad for the image of Italian Americans. It was a movie about a mafia family.

Speaker 8 And they didn't realize that ultimately it was going to glorify, you know, if anything. So what efforts did the league take to put a stop to the movie?

Speaker 3 Well, it depends on who you ask, but Al Ruddy's assistant, Betty McCart, told me that the studio started getting threats.

Speaker 12 How would the threats come in in the beginning? In the beginning, mostly by phone. And there was a man at Paramount who was the head of security, and he told Al

Speaker 12 that

Speaker 12 Al should be very careful because they were really after him.

Speaker 8 And did it ever go beyond threats?

Speaker 3 Well, Al Ruddy became so paranoid that he and Betty would routinely swap cars to throw off any would-be trackers.

Speaker 3 And one night, while driving Ruddy's Faciel Vega convertible, Betty sees a car following her all the way home.

Speaker 3 She runs inside to call the police, and later that night, shots ring out over the neighborhood.

Speaker 12 And

Speaker 12 my kids came in all

Speaker 12 hysterical. They'd heard gunshots, and they went outside, and all the windows had been shot out of the Faso Vega, which was a warning, you know, to Al.

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Speaker 8 So these are a bit stronger than threats. They're actually taking action.

Speaker 3 Well, yeah, but, you know, Ruddy apparently wasn't phased by it. He and the rest of the crew moved to New York, where they started setting up production, and that's when the trouble really started.

Speaker 8 Everywhere the production went, it seemed like Colombo had gotten there first.

Speaker 3 Here's Robert Evans.

Speaker 25 You could rely on them for locations.

Speaker 25 The next day, it was closed down. Went to Staten Island, closed down.
The Bronx closed down.

Speaker 25 The five families did not want us to shoot that picture in New York.

Speaker 8 And it got worse before it got better.

Speaker 3 Far worse. One day, Robert Evans is in his hotel suite with his wife, Allie McGraw, and their newborn baby.
when a call comes in.

Speaker 25 He threatened my life.

Speaker 3 Columbo did what he said.

Speaker 25 My wife had just hit a baby.

Speaker 25 And he said, he wants your baby to be all right, get out of town.

Speaker 25 I said, why don't you call Al Rudd? He's a producer. He says, because when we kill the snake, we cut the fucking head off.

Speaker 8 And how did Evans react to that?

Speaker 3 Well, as you can imagine, not well. I think he was really scared.
It's one thing to make a movie about mobsters. It's another to be confronted by them in real time.

Speaker 3 Of course, there's a question as to whether or not this call ever happened.

Speaker 3 Joe Colombo's grandson, Anthony, insisted to me that his grandfather never said or sanctioned such threats, especially not over the telephone, which was probably bugged by the feds.

Speaker 9 I do think that

Speaker 9 there was a call between Bob Evans and my grandfather, but my grandfather didn't have to make those threats like that.

Speaker 10 You know,

Speaker 9 he was a subtle man. He wielded power in a way that few in New York could, and did it through, you know, exercise power in other ways.

Speaker 3 The Teamsters threatened to freeze all transportation involving the Godfather.

Speaker 8 Well, that's it. No Teamsters and you can't make a movie.

Speaker 3 Ruddy and Evans had to do something fast. They realized that the only way to get the movie made was to arrange a sit-down with Joe Colombo.

Speaker 8 And how did they plan to get this meeting?

Speaker 3 Well, in true Hollywood fashion, Ruddy and Evans called their own version of a fixer. They called an agent.

Speaker 8 To To arrange a meeting with a mob boss?

Speaker 3 Who do they get? Well, they got a pretty great agent, Eddie Goldstone from Creative Management Associates, which represented many of the actors on the film.

Speaker 3 He was a talent agent to the stars and tasked with brokering a meeting between Al Ruddy and Joe Colombo.

Speaker 8 And how does he go about doing this?

Speaker 3 Well, apparently James Kahn had all the right connections and set a meeting between Colombo and Goldstone. And on the day of the meeting, Goldstone took a cab to an address on Mott Street.

Speaker 8 Do you think he was nervous?

Speaker 3 I believe he was nervous. He said he had a lump in his stomach, but he had a job to do.
So in his nice suit, he knocked with a big smile on his face.

Speaker 3 The address turned out to be an Italian-American social club. He told me that the air was full of smoke and about a dozen men were speaking Italian with their leader clearly at the center.

Speaker 3 He was ushered in and he shook hands with none other than Joe Colombo.

Speaker 8 And what do these two men talk about?

Speaker 3 Well, Eddie goes into his spiel about the trouble they're having with the Teamsters and how great the movie's going to be, and maybe they can come to some sort of arrangement, a deal.

Speaker 8 And what did they say?

Speaker 3 Well, according to Goldstone, apparently they wanted to talk about Marlon Brando.

Speaker 3 20 minutes of pretending he's good friends with Marlon, and Eddie Goldstone has the meeting meeting set between Ruddy and Colombo.

Speaker 8 That's amazing. Hollywood charm really works anywhere, huh?

Speaker 3 It sure does.

Speaker 8 So Ruddy got his meeting with Colombo.

Speaker 3 Yes, so first he has to have a preliminary meeting with Colombo's son, Anthony, and the league's president, Nat Marconi. They hammer out a tentative deal with three conditions.
Number one,

Speaker 3 They have to delete the word mafia and cosinoster from the script. Number two, they have to allow the league to review the script and change anything they deem damaging to the Italian-American image.

Speaker 3 And finally, number three, they have to donate the proceeds from the film's New York premiere to the league's hospital fund.

Speaker 8 And what does Ruddy say?

Speaker 3 He agrees to all of it, which is a pretty unprecedented deal for a Hollywood producer to make.

Speaker 8 He's essentially handing over the rights to script revisions.

Speaker 3 And turning over a portion of the profits to a group allegedly founded by one of the country's most powerful mobsters.

Speaker 8 But he gets his meeting.

Speaker 3 Yes, in February of 1971, Al Ruddy walks into the Park Sheridan Hotel and is in for a surprise. 600 Italian-American members of the league greet him with booze and cheers.
Joe Colombo was testing him.

Speaker 3 He wanted to see if Ruddy could win over the members. And Ruddy has to address this crowd.
I mean, you know, that's a pretty incredible thing.

Speaker 8 So what does he say to them?

Speaker 3 He said, this is not going to be a movie that's going to demean or stereotype anybody. This is an equal opportunity thing.
I mean, we have an Irish cop.

Speaker 3 We have, you know, all these different ethnic groups, not just Italian Americans. He calmed down the crowd.
They asked him questions and there was some back and forth.

Speaker 3 And Ruddy apparently did an admirable job talking to this crowd and making them understand that the Godfather movie was not out to upset or demean anyone, that it was going to be a story about an Italian-American family.

Speaker 3 And I meet Joe after that. I said, look, Joe, I'll tell you what I'll do.
You come to my office tomorrow, and I'll let you look for a script.

Speaker 3 You can see mop you, whatever's in it or everything you like, what's done it, and you read it, and we'll see if we can make a deal. He said, okay, I'll be there at 3 o'clock.

Speaker 3 The next day, Columbo showed up at the Gulf and Western building with two associates to read the script.

Speaker 3 Joe sits off as a meeting one guy's on the couch and one guy's sitting sitting at the window when the hot air comes out.

Speaker 3 I take an 155-page script.

Speaker 3 Mark, you can imagine. I give this guy a 155-page screenplay.
He puts on his little bed frankly glasses and looks at it for about two minutes. He says, What does this mean fade in?

Speaker 3 I realize there's no way Joe was going to turn to page two.

Speaker 8 They didn't read it?

Speaker 3 Well, they supposedly, according to Ruddy at least, only got past page one before getting bored and giving Al their blessing.

Speaker 3 Finally, Joe Take slammed it on the table. It was, do we like this guy? Can we trust him? Yeah, we like this guy.
So what the fuck do we have to read the script? Well, let's just make the deal.

Speaker 3 We're just going to take the word mafia out of the script. And I said, that's okay with me, guys.

Speaker 3 Now, I shook their hand.

Speaker 8 That was the deal. And all he would have to do is take the word mafia out of the script.

Speaker 3 Which only appeared once, by the way.

Speaker 8 So Al Ruddy and Joe Columbo strike a deal. Is it time to make a movie?

Speaker 3 Well, not so fast. Columbo thought it'd be a good idea to hold a press conference to announce the new partnership.

Speaker 3 So, Joe calls me two days later, and he says, look, we should get the word out to our people that we're now behind the movie, which I thought was a grand idea because we were having trouble signing locations to Staten Island.

Speaker 3 He says, can you come to the league office tomorrow at 2 o'clock for a press conference? Ruddy thinks, what the hell? It'll just be a few Italian-American newspapers. And he agrees.

Speaker 3 I get in the elevator.

Speaker 10 It was on Park Avenue in those days like 58th Street. I could hardly get in the elevator.
I didn't know everyone was going up to like the 20th floor.

Speaker 10 It's sun guns and video cameras and lights and that's what the fuck's going on. They all get out of the safe way and they follow me.
It's a huge waiting room.

Speaker 3 There were reporters from every major newspaper and crews from all three television networks to chronicle Paramount's historic deal with the league.

Speaker 3 There's articles on the front page of the New York Times with pictures of me with Nat Marcone, Joe Column. Now, where the league says, we're behind the movie and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 3 Unfortunately, it wasn't interpreted that way by the press.

Speaker 8 Ruddy definitely underestimated how big of a deal this was. What was the press coverage like?

Speaker 3 It was horrible. The Times called the deal a hypocritical, craven act of voluntary self-censorship.

Speaker 3 And the Village Voice wrote, if you want to produce a film on the mafia, please ask their permission first.

Speaker 8 How did Paramount react? Does anyone else know about the deal Ruddy made?

Speaker 3 Apparently not. Evans was in Europe, Stanley Jappe was in the Caribbean, and Puzzo was at a weight loss clinic.
A spokesman for Paramount told Variety that the deal was completely unauthorized.

Speaker 3 The front page of the Wall Street Journal the next morning says Mafia moves in on Gulf and Western rights that we've compromised the book.

Speaker 3 But worse than the bad press, Gulf and Western stock had dropped two and a half points, and Charlie Bludorn is pissed.

Speaker 8 What happens to Ruddy?

Speaker 3 Well, Ruddy goes into Bluedorn's office the next day, or he was called into Bluedorn's office the next day, and he was fired. I walk in there, and I swear to God, Charlie Bludorn is living.

Speaker 3 You're right, my company always says I try to go hitch it, and one day I got the mom moving in, and I said,

Speaker 3 It's creeping the fuck out, right?

Speaker 3 But he had one saving grace. Apparently, Francis Coppola told Charlie Bluedorn that Al Ruddy is the only one who can get this picture made.

Speaker 3 Charlie stops the shoot and he calls Francis up and brings Francis down there and tells Francis he's fired Al Ruddy. He's a fucking maniac.
And Francis Coppola literally saved my job.

Speaker 3 He said, Charlie, he's the only man who can keep this movie going. Do you understand?

Speaker 3 So now they call me back again. Because of the mob, I come back to see Charlie and he's almost had a spindle in his mouth, I swear.
Screw me, I'm putting you back in the fucking house.

Speaker 3 You just might have started dead with the plants. I would shoke you to death with my ass.
I mean, the man was crazy. Probably for good reason, because I'm not the corporative type.

Speaker 3 So Blue Dorn took him back.

Speaker 8 It's always hard to make a movie, Mark, but never quite this hard.

Speaker 3 No, it definitely tested the production's metal, you know.

Speaker 3 But now the red carpet is rolled out. Deals are made left and right for locations.
Vendors start working with them. Homeowners open their homes.

Speaker 3 Any problem the movie had, had, all they had to do is call Joe Colombo.

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Speaker 8 The podcast is based on the book of the same name written by our very own Mark Seale.

Speaker 3 Our producer is Tina Mullen.

Speaker 8 Research assistants by Jack Sullivan.

Speaker 3 Jonathan Dressler was our development producer.

Speaker 8 Our music supervisor is Randall Poster. Our executive producers are me, Nathan King, Mark Seal, Dylan Fagan, and Graydon Carter.

Speaker 3 Special thanks to Bridget Arseneau and everyone at CDM Studios.

Speaker 8 A comprehensive list of sources and acknowledgments can be found in Mark Seale's book, Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli, published by Gallery Books, an imprint of Simon and Schuster.

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Speaker 18 I think that this is a deliberate attempt to sabotage our movement.

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