The ‘other person' | Dangerous Memories Ep 4

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Tortoise. Just a warning before we start.
This episode contains references to child abuse

and to sexual assault. It was 2010 when Huey started to see Anne Craig for sessions.

Over four years, Huey's world had slowly become smaller and smaller.

Until now, in 2014, it was just the two of them. A seal had formed around Huey, protecting her, shielding her from the perceived threat of family, friends, doctors, lawyers, outsiders.
I remember looking out to the river when I was at work and just realising that if anything ever happened to Anne, I would just crumble and die. Like I was so reliant on her.
When I look at the span of this story, there are moments when things happen slowly, like Huey's dependence on Anne. It's difficult to convey when we condense it down, but it happened bit by little bit over years and years, until Huey's worldview became completely warped, with Anne at the centre of everything.
But then there are other moments when a lot happens quickly and 2014 is one of those moments in time when everyone who became caught up in Anne's web, her clients, their families and outsiders started to realise what was happening. They started to see the web, the connections.
They started to see the trap. What Huey didn't realise that day when she thought she saw her mum outside Anne's house, leading Anne to call the police, is that someone else had dialed 999.
Another client. Because there was someone else still seeing Anne as well.
A young woman who was just as deep in as Hughie was. And this other client of Anne's made a decision that kick-started a chain of events

that would begin to see Anne's web torn apart, thread by thread.

I'm Grace Hughes-Hallett, and from Tortoise, this is Dangerous Memories.

Episode 4, The Other Person. When I asked Huey's mum Sarah about standing outside of Anne's house on that day in 2014, she told me it wasn't her.
And now, ten years later, Huey agrees.

It can't have been her mother.

Whoever it was that she saw the back of, leading to that phone call to the police, it wasn't Sarah. However, Sarah was planning something similar.
By now, she'd had two years' worth of emails emails, texts and attempts to confront Huey and intervene on her journey with Anne. And none of it had worked.
So, Sarah had begun to plan a more direct approach to try and get her daughter back. In February 2014, she was of a group alongside other ex-clients and parents that sent a legal letter to Anne Craig via a high-profile London law firm.
The letter alleged that Anne had been implanting false memories of abuse and demanded that she stopped seeing her clients. Despite threatening legal action in the High Court if Anne didn't comply, the only response the lawyers received was a letter from Huey.

In it, she said, there is no question of me being under the influence of Mrs. Craig.

I take full responsibility for the rewarding life I live today. At this point, Sarah felt the only option she had left was to confront Anne face to face.
And she worked out a plan with her husband, Henry. It was very much seen as a last resort, and I think Sarah might have been advised by somebody to try and eyeball Mrs Craig and say to her, look, I'm a mother, you're a mother, can't we sort something out? So Sarah, Henry, and Sarah's brother Robin planned a visit to theigs' house.
They didn't have a particular plan, but the hope was that they could start a conversation. We knocked on the door and it was answered by Mr Craig, who was immediately very defensive.
They didn't get to speak to Anne. Instead, the door was opened by her husband.
Now, from what we've seen, there's no evidence to suggest he was involved with his wife's business. But from the way he reacted to Henry's knock on the door, it does seem that he might have known enough about her work to know what to say if someone started asking questions.
We said, we've come back here, I know where you are, I know where you've come about this. And then, you know, we said, all we want to do is to see your wife and discuss this issue.
Quite quickly, the visit got heated. And they said, I'm calling the police, and if you don't go, and so we left.
It was another failed attempt. there wasn't much more they could do on that doorstep.
It wasn't like Anne was physically holding Hughie in there and that they could barge in and retrieve her. And that was it for the time being.
Until a couple of weeks later, Henry got a phone call from the chairman of a company he worked for. He told Henry that Anne's husband had sent an email about him to the company, alleging that Henry had harassed and intimidated him.
And he was now threatening to go to the press. And there was something else in the email too.
Saying that you've issued a leaflet to him and to the neighbours, to his neighbours, which contained a death threat. And so I was a bit surprised about this.
I mean, I knew I'd been to see him. Henry assumed that the harassment allegation must be connected to the incident on the doorstep.
Henry would go on to issue a high court libel claim against Mr Craig which was subsequently settled but he had no idea about this apparent death threat. So somebody put leaflets through the doors.
The leaflet is a bit of a mystery. Anne and her family had moved to a new part of London that year.

It's just across the river from the famous Chelsea,

a more affluent part of London compared to where they had been previously living.

Sometime after Anne and her husband moved into their new house,

a leaflet was put through the letterbox,

and they weren't the only ones to receive it.

Some of their new neighbours also found a copy on their doormats.

We've seen a photograph of the leaflet, and this is how it begins.

Beware your new neighbours.

Holistic healer Anne Craig has moved into your street.

Your daughters are in grave danger.

It goes on to list accusations about Anne.

Implanting false memories,

pressuring clients into believing their parents sexually abused them as children.

The list goes on.

The leaflet also has a picture of a gravestone.

The gravestone of Anne's mother and father in Longford,

in the Republic of Ireland.

It suggests that someone had been doing their research

on Anne's background,

and it does look quite sinister.

You can see how Anne's husband might have interpreted it

as a death threat.

It ends...

This evil and destructive person has moved into your street.

And then includes Anne's address. What's missing from the leaflet is anything to indicate who had sent it.
Sarah and Henry deny having any involvement with the leaflet and I've not been able to find proof of who organised it but I think it's fair to say that by this point there were a number of ex-clients and concerned parents, all of whom had possible motives. Whoever sent it, though, Anne was outraged.
She, too, interpreted it as a death threat. And she tried to get the police involved, to uncover who'd sent it.
But nothing came of it. I'm so curious to know what Anne's thinking was behind getting the police involved.
Maybe she really believed what she was telling Huey. Maybe she was so convinced by her tales of abuse, elite paedophile rings and evil parents, that she believed the police would support her.
But if that's the case, then why, when Huey had been in the hospital, had Anne told her, don't involve the doctors, don't say my name? Perhaps Anne felt like she'd run out of other options, and receiving the leaflet had genuinely frightened her. The outsiders were now breaking into their world, piercing the seal, and getting the police involved might not only lead to an answer about who was responsible for the leaflet, but it might put a stop to the perceived harassment.
The truth is that we don't know.

This is an investigation,

and this is one of the answers we're looking for,

and we'll come to it soon.

Whatever the case,

that time Huey thought she saw her mum knocking on Anne's door turned out to be the tipping point.

The police were called,

and not long after, they arrived at Anne's house in Battersea and Huey and Anne were waiting for them. They said, you know, what's the issue here? And I said, look, I'm working with this woman and I'm trying to, I'm an adult.
My mother is harassing me. She's harassing Anne.
Huey didn't go into any more detail than that. She didn't tell them the awful things she believed of her family.
She remembers the police officers saying, We can go to your mother's house right now and ask her what she's doing and what she's playing at. And by this point, I could not make decisions about anything.
I was calling Anne when to eat, when to sleep, when to start writing, when to stop writing. Hughie was paralysed by the decision in front of her.
She was desperate to do the right thing with this choice. Panicked, she told them not to worry, that she'd sought this thing out herself.
She went to Anne. And then she was like, why did you make that choice then? Why didn't you make this choice? And already it was coming up, this idea that I wasn't prepared to fully go against my family.
I wasn't prepared to fully stand up to them, that I was kind of protecting them in some way. Which side am I really on? Am I prepared to really stand up to my mother? So I felt a lot of panic and fear.
The pressure on Huey to do something decisive was building. Sarah and the rest of Huey's family were not relenting in their efforts to speak with her.
She was still receiving texts and emails from the family and they were posting things through her letterbox too.

Like letters and books.

Of course, she was telling Anne about all of this.

We needed to make it stop.

So with all of these things happening around them, it was decided that Huey should call the police again.

To ask them to investigate.

And this time, Huey was going to tell them everything.

Huey ended up speaking with a detective from the Metropolitan Police.

He seemed to be interested in what she was saying about the harassment at the hands of

her mother.

He was taking it seriously, and he asked a few preliminary questions, including about whether abuse was involved. Huey told him she didn't want to go into details over the phone.
So he said, I'm going to come to your house, and we're going to go through everything, and you can tell me everything. And in the meantime, he asked Huey to send him evidence of the alleged harassment.
Every email, every text her family had sent to her so he could start to understand their relationship. And I remember thinking something doesn't feel right about doing this.
I don't know what it is. And I remember saying to Anne, I'm not sure.
Should I really send all these emails? Just send them.

Just send them. So I sent them all.
I've seen several of these emails from family and friends. They're desperate pleas for Huey to come back, to reinstate some kind of contact.
Some of them say things like, Why are you still seeing this woman? Can't you see the others have left her? It makes me feel like this is a point for the case of Anne believing the allegations she was making. The emails don't reveal anything sinister.
They don't look like evidence of parents harassing their daughter. But maybe Anne truly believed that they did.
Through the course of that summer, the detective combed through the documents that Huey had shared with him. He really took the time to understand what was going on.
And when he was ready, he asked if he could come and see Huey where she was living with Lee to talk in person about the next steps. This detective came to the house and he sat down with me and said,

OK, take me through everything.

She went over the last few years in more detail.

He said, I've read all the emails and just as he was about to leave, he said,

I just want to let you know that I am going to be investigating your family,

but I'm also going to be investigating Anne.

And it just suddenly felt like the world

came crashing down this what do you mean you're going to investigate Anne why would you investigate

Anne you can imagine the stomach drop moment this must have been for Huey the realization that she'd

started something that she could no longer control and now the police would be going to Anne next

I'm going to be a little bit more focused. had been for Huey.
The realisation that she'd started something that she could no longer control.

And now the police would be going to Anne next to start asking questions. So I called her absolutely, I was really frightened of Anne.
I don't know why, but I was so frightened of her getting it wrong or displeasing her. And I said, and the the police have told me they're going to investigate you.
And I knew I was in big trouble. I just knew that I'd done something really, really bad.
Anne told Huey to come over as soon as possible. When Huey arrived just an hour or so later, Anne made a cup of chamomile tea, as usual They climbed the stairs and when they got into the room, Anne gave her a giant piece of paper and something to write with.
Then she asked Huey a question. Why have you done this? Why have you done this? And I wrote the question with my left hand and I got the answer in my head before I was to write it and I remember shaking and I burst into tears and I was like, I can't write it, I can't write the answer and she was like, write it down, what is it? And what I got was, I want to destroy you, as in destroy Anne.
And I was like, why have I written that? Why have I written that? I was so confused and she had another question like why do you want to destroy me and I think I got the word like I hate you and again I burst into tears and that was the moment where where like all that trust between us just got completely broken and I could tell she just stopped trusting me and this coldness and this frostiness started between us so I was then my role started to be seen as I was like this mole that was colluding with the darkness and the paedophiles and that I was trying to destroy her so that there was one part of me that wanted to be light and wanted to be good and wanted to do the deep work and there was another part of me that was not prepared to give up my addiction to the abuse and my addiction to men and my addiction to the darkness and that I'd been lying to her for all these years and now it had finally come out and that terrified me. It was like this idea that I didn't know who I was and that actually I was this evil person that wanted to destroy her.
And all the time, the fear that Huey was going to destroy anne either herself or because of what she'd given to the police the same police who anne was now suggesting were part of the paedophile network maybe out of a sense that their investigation was turning against her and and it was just this awful six months because the police were applying a lot of pressure on Anne. She was having multiple interviews with the police.
I was being interviewed by

the police. It was like hanging over us, this thing, are the police going to arrest Anne?

Are the police going to arrest my family? Or what's going to happen?

Unbeknownst to Huey, the police were not just investigating Huey's situation. Because there was this other client of Anne's, who was also deep in her web, and who had also made a police complaint.
We've been in touch with several ex-clients of Anne, and are also aware of several that we haven't been able to speak to yet. Hughie knew about a lot of them, either because, like Phipsy, she knew them personally, or because Anne would tell her about them in their sessions.
But from around the time of the Cow Shed pub years earlier, There was one client in particular that Anne would tell Huey about again and again she was simply described by Anne as the other person she'd always talked about me and the other person just being kind of the two that she needed to break through with this work and get to the light. Anne never told her the other person's name.
But what Huey says Anne did do was make a constant point of telling her about the brilliance of the other person's journey, about how deep she was willing to go, and as a result, the progress she was making. It all felt quite competitive, I suppose, being compared to

the other person who had all this depth that I didn't have. At one point, she told Huey that the other person had decided to disinherit herself from her family's wealth and encouraged Huey to do the same.

So I'm Tori. I'm 34 years old and at the moment I'm living in Bali.
I've been speaking with this other person for two years now. Her name is Tori.
She is, alongside Huey, the client whose life has been most derailed by seeing Anne Craig. She's a similar age and background to Huey, and could also be described as posh.
All girls boarding school, royal connections. She's friends with some of the Florence Art School crowd, but didn't study there herself.
Tori went to see Anne around the same time that Huey did. She went to her for help with an eating disorder that she'd been struggling with for years.
Her journey with Anne up until this point had been similar to Huey's. Tori believed that her family was part of this elite paedophile ring too.
Anne had also recently started telling Tori that the police were part of the paedophile ring. Tori too had been told to use an encrypted email server to burn all of her work for Anne and also to burn all photos from her old life and gifts from her parents.
Tori had cut all contact with everyone in her life, had shunned pleading letters, ignored desperate visits from family members, and had disinherited herself from a significant trust fund. I'm Josie Santee, health coach, wellness editor, and host of the Every Girl podcast, where we cut through the noise with realistic, expert-backed advice to help you thrive in every category of life while still loving the person that you already are.
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Actually, it is you. Endless onboarding? Constant IT bottlenecks? We've had enough.
We need a platform that just gets us. And to be honest, we've met someone new.
They're called Monday.com, and it was love at first onboarding. Their beautiful dashboards, their customisable workflows got us floating on

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platform you'll love to use. Tori's family had, in fact, for some time, been desperately trying

to find ways to get their daughter back. All the time that Sarah had been fighting, so too had they.
In fact, Sarah and Tori's family had been in regular contact over the years, ever since they'd worked out through mutual friends that their daughters were seeing the same healer. They would share information about Anne and their daughters, and legal advice too.
For example, that lawyer's letter Anne got from Sarah, that letter had been from Tori's family as well, demanding she cease contact with their daughter as well as with Hughie. So it was around my birthday.
My mum came really late at night. And so it was dark and I could hear someone on the doorstep.
Around the time that Huey and Anne had reported Sarah to the police, Tori was at home alone one night when her mother turned up. And I just felt terrified.
I was so afraid because I was believing all these things about my mother and these things led me to believe that she was very like violent and immoral. Her mum was trying to drop off some flowers for her birthday and a book about false memories.
So I was really, really, really afraid, and I remember shaking. And, yeah, I thought the only thing I could do was to call the police, because in my mind she was trying to get into the house to harm me.
So, yeah, that's what I did. I called the police.
Tori called the police and told them her mother was harassing her. I've been trying to piece together what happened that summer of 2014 and after speaking to a Met police officer involved in the investigation, I've learned that it was this incident that was really the catalyst.
Huey might have thought it was seeing who she thought was her mother outside Anne's door that changed things. But she wasn't quite right.
The night Tory called the police, officers turned up at her flat. After they took a statement from Tory, who alleged that her mother was harassing her, the officers went to her mother's house and arrested her, taking her straight into custody.
But she was quickly released. The custody sergeant decided her detention had been unauthorised.
It was a traumatising event. But during this incident, Tori's mum raised her concerns about Anne Craig with the police.
And so a night that started with the police looking into a case of a

mother potentially harassing her daughter turned into something else entirely. It was then that

they first started looking into Anne. It didn't take long for detectives to be assigned to the

case. As they started to speak to people involved, they were put in touch with a private investigator.
He'd been paid to look into Anne by a concerned relative of a client. I've met and spoken with that private investigator.
He'd rather we don't use his name, but he's happy for us to share details of his years-long investigation. He looked into Anne, her background, her work, and he also tracked down a number of women who had been clients of Anne.
And they told him about the experiences they'd had with her. They were all similar to what Huey, Torrey and

Phippsey have told me about. They'd just untangled themselves from her web much earlier.

All of this information was handed over to the police. And what was of particular interest

was that some of the statements these women gave to the investigator contained allegations

about Anne. And those allegations informed what the police did next.
At 8 in the morning, I got this knock on the door, heard a knock downstairs, and I heard, ''Police! Open up, police!'' And I was like, ''What the fuck?'' And I, like, jumped out of bed, and I was shaking, and I was terrified. I was like, I was like what's happening and then I had them coming up the stairs and they opened my door and they said um police we need to come in and then I opened the door and there was a female police officer a male police officer this really tall man with gray hair and the detective and I was like what's going on why are you here and they said look we've come to tell you that we've just arrested Anne and and we need you to come to the police station with us now and make a statement and I was like I've got to go to work and what do you mean you've arrested Anne and I burst into tears and I was like this is crazy.
Years later Anne told a journalist that the police had been investigating her in relation to three potential offences. Fraud, administering a noxious substance and occasioning psychological actual bodily harm, which in simple terms was whether she was fraudulently advertising her services, whether she had been spiking the chamomile tea she had been offering to her clients, and whether her methods amounted to a form of psychological abuse.
Anne denied all of them, but at the time, the police believed there were grounds for arrest. And when the police prepared to make that arrest in late October of 2014, they also put together two intervention teams.
The idea was that on the same day Anne was being taken into custody, one team, including a mental health expert, would go to Tori's address, and another would go to Huey's. And there was this, yeah, this tall grey haired man was like, look, just stay calm.
Like, we want to help you. And he seemed so nice.
And I was like, I can get through to this man. I can get him to see that there's nothing wrong with Anne.
She's good. And there's been a terrible misunderstanding, and I can get through to him.
And so we sat down, and I started speaking with him directly, and he said, look, I'm a psychiatrist. That's when the walls started imploding around me, because I was like, oh, my God, I'm going to be sectioned.
Oh, my God, what's happening? And there been this belief that Anna told me over the during this whole police stuff that um if my if my family ever got me back that they'd section me that my family wanted to silence me that I'd opened up all of the family secrets I'd opened up all of the family darkness and therefore if they ever get their hands on me again, they'll section me and silence me and put me away.

Hughie eventually agreed to go with the police officers.

While she was getting dressed, alone, she deleted all the emails she had from Anne.

She was scared that the officers would take her computer.

And then she went to the station.

She remembers making a statement, although it's all a bit of a blur now. And that was that, for now.
And suddenly it was just like this veil came over me of guilt, of oh my god, they've won. And they've won because of me.
And I've done this to her. I've've destroyed her work this kind woman who's done everything for everyone this the light this is all my fault and that was the closest I've been to wanting to kill myself because I just thought this is all my fault.
Huey didn't know what was happening she tried calling her local police station to find out,

but she couldn't get the information she wanted.

Can you imagine, you've been brainwashed for, like, years.

You're completely dependent on this person.

They arrest her and they leave you with no one.

Anne had been bailed.

And one of the conditions of her bail was that she was not allowed to see the clients while the police followed up their lines of inquiry. After years of dependence, Huey couldn't make contact with Anne while the investigation continued.
I just remember... I felt like I went into this survivalist mode.
And I was really worried for Huey because I knew that Huey was really struggling and in a really, really dark place. So although I hadn't had direct contact with Huey, Anne had spoken a lot about her.
So I knew roughly where she lived. I knew the area that she lived in.
I knew her place of work. knew what she did for work.
On the day Anne was arrested, Tori's world fell apart too. So I wrote a letter to Huey and put it in her workplace with my phone number and said like contact me and I was really concerned about Huey actually.
So that was sort of my focus and I felt like if Huey and I could sort of team up in a way it would be easier for both of us because we could then support one another. And then what happened after that? I think Huey contacted me I think she did but she was really afraid of us meeting up because you know know, in her dynamic with Anne,

she felt like she just had to stay on her own and, like, do the work

and couldn't really be in connection with other people. I'll see you next time.
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maybe a week and then eventually I wrote her an email saying thank you so much for your letter but this is all my fault and you should kind of stay away from me and and she wrote back saying what are you talking about this is not your fault at all this is this of course this is not your fault like my my this isn't just as much my fault it's my family that are involved in this And it was kind of this like, what? Like waking up to this other perspective. Tori and Huey met up.
They were otherwise all alone in the world. The protective layer Anne had offered them both had vanished overnight.
I guess we started talking about Anne for the first time of who is Anne and it started coming up really quickly that our experiences of Anne had been really different. So the way in which Anne would belittle me or put me down or blame me for things she wasn't doing with Tori and Tori's experience of her was completely different.
From what Tori's told me, it seems like Anne behaved in a different way around her. We would go for walks together, and she would make time to have tea with me.
She became like a friend. More than a friend, it was like a motherly figure.
Then towards the end end she was quite vocal about me being yeah like a favorite and um that I was willing to go the furthest and the deepest and sacrifice the most and yeah she would say these things like she only needed one person to to finish their journey with her to finish the work with her and I was that person um yeah Tori told me that it was this feeling of indebtedness to Anne for choosing her as her favorite that ended up trapping her for so long because her self-esteem became entirely based on Anne's attention and praise and she had nothing else in her life. Without Anne, she knew she was nothing and no one.
And it was this that kept pulling her deeper into Anne's world. Even in moments of doubt, the thought of leaving Anne had just become too terrifying.
And neither of you were led to question Anne by this experience. You didn't think the police are taking this seriously enough to stop her from seeing us? Perhaps there's something going on here.
No, had we were living this story that the police were not to be trusted and they were affiliated with this paedophile ring and they were sort of working for this the system that we were trying to expose or bring to light to through our own personal work. But like when Phippsie went abroad, for the first time in years, they both had space to think without Anne.
And as the weeks and months of Anne's bail period continued, new thoughts did start to enter Huey's mind.

I guess all this doubt around Anne for the first time started coming in

because it was like, why don't we have similar experiences?

Why doesn't she teach us the same things?

Why does she treat us differently?

And Tori had her own questions.

Did you in any way step back from what she'd led you to believe? And sort of like doubt it, you mean? Yeah. The thing is, doubts are always there.
There was always part of it. And I was always communicating those doubts to Anne.
And Anne would always say, well, that's the nature of trauma. When you have something really traumatic happen to you, you repress that memory, and then it's very difficult to, well, remember it.
And the younger that this traumatic experience happens to you, the harder it is to recall it. But the body retains the memory in some way.
And, you know, I research this a lot. And that's like, often what people share.
and so the doubt was normalised. It was just like a normal part of the work really.
Even with Anne on bail and out of reach for months, they both continued to shun their families and friends. The false memories of abuse have been woven so intricately into their minds.
They even wrote letters in support of Anne, which they sent to the police. It didn't matter if Anne wasn't right beside them anymore.
When I started reporting this story, I thought I had a good understanding of counselling and therapy,

either from my own experience or from what I read about it,

as we've been encouraged as a society to be more open and talk more about our mental health.

So when I first started listening to Anne's former clients about how Anne was behaving,

I assumed that she was doing something wrong, at least in the eyes of the industry she was working in. But I was wrong.
As things stand in the UK, anyone can call themselves a therapist, psychotherapist or counsellor without standard qualifications or training. Unlike clinical psychologist or general practitioner, they are not protected terms.
What this means is that I, someone with zero qualifications, could set up a therapist's office tomorrow in my front room with a gold plaque on the door saying Grace Hughes-Hallett therapist and start seeing paying clients. And in terms of regulation, for private therapists, i.e.
anyone who isn't working for the NHS, it's up to each individual whether they want to be associated with an accredited body. These bodies have a code of ethics, complaint system and minimum qualifications, which are all overseen by the Professional Standards Authority.
But if you decide not to be part of this accreditation system, none of that applies to you. What this all means is that it's all optional.
This really shocked me. I had no idea.
And having told this to friends over the past few months, I've seen more than one person's face drop as they wonder whether the person they're telling all their problems to is qualified to help them, or regulated in any way. This is all to explain that there were no regulations that could be used to prevent Anne from practising in whichever way she saw fit.
The burning, the left-hand writing, the dream interpretations, the isolation, the hours-long sessions. And in April 2015, it was decided that there was nothing in the law that could stop her either.

The police eventually referred their investigation to the Crown Prosecution Service,

and they decided that the threshold criteria for a successful prosecution were not met.

There was not enough evidence for a realistic prospect of conviction. Anne was never charged, and she's always denied the allegations.
So Anne was released from bail. There was nothing to prevent her, either in law or by any professional body, from seeing the women she needed to get to the light.
It was not the news that Huey and Tori's families had been hoping for. They'd hoped that with the police finally involved, it would put an end to Anne's healing and bring their daughters back.
But this wasn't the last time Anne would be investigated. Coming up on Dangerous Memories.
I received a telephone call asking whether I wanted to talk to Anne Craig and she said, I haven't told anybody my side of the story and I want to tell you my side of the story. I couldn't believe it was her.
It was like, I couldn't believe I was speaking to her. She was definitely on a mission.
She was definitely on a mission. She had a conviction and convictions are very dangerous things.
In the past, Anne Craig has issued categorical denials of any wrongdoing. She has denied responsibility for mentally abusing or psychologically manipulating clients.
She has said she is the victim of a campaign of harassment. Mr.
Craig denies any involvement with Anne Craig's work as a teacher of personal development.

If you're looking to speak to a reputable therapist or know someone who is, you can search the therapist directory compiled by the British Association for Counseling and Psychotherapy, or BACP.

Only registered members accredited by the Professional Standards Authority are listed,

which ensures they meet high professional and ethical standards and are fully trained and qualified.

Just go to bacp.co.uk.

If you'd like to get in touch with us about your own experience, you can send us an email.

It's dangerousmemories at tortoisemedia.com.

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Dangerous Memories was written and reported by me, Grace Hughes-Hallett,

and by Gary Marshall.

The producer is Gary Marshall.

Additional reporting and production from Imogen Harper.

Fact-checking was by Xavier Greenwood.

Sound design and original composition from Tom Kinsella.

The theme music is Far Gone, Don't Leave by Pictish Trail.

Podcast artwork by Lola Williams.

The commissioning editor was Basher Cummings.

The executive producer was Kerry Thomas. Tortoise.
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