Building Mindset Muscle with Elan Gelfand

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What were you doing with your life at 20 years old?

What promises were you making?

What decisions were you living out?

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Ladies and gentlemen, this has been an amazing conversation and I can't wait for you to listen to it.

So here we go.

My guy, Elon G.

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another exciting episode of Mick Unplugged and today I've got a gem.

We're talking about the host who has taken over 100 episodes and counting to turn ordinary mindsets into breakthroughs.

He builds environments, breaks judgments, and ignites passion.

in all who listen.

He is the voice behind abundant thinking.

He is the thriving, the inspiring the relentless my guy mr elon g elon how you doing today brother i'm doing good mick thank you for asking and thank you for the amazing intro i really appreciate it no always man always so we were literally just chatting and you were talking about how

wild crazy cool and insane it is to like to meet someone with a similar passion, a similar story, a similar purpose.

And so, you know, I kind of want to open that floor and open that door.

Let's talk about Elon G, man.

Like, for those that don't know, like,

what's your because?

What's your purpose?

What's your drive?

What's your mission?

I would say my because is my mom.

So when I was about, I'd say eight years old, my parents got divorced.

And, you know, my dad, he, he had a good job.

He was working, very hardworking person.

And he always, he, he went after what he wanted, right?

When my parents got divorced, my mom was kind of left on her own.

Obviously, she was never really the one with the job.

So she took care of my brother and I.

She worked minimum wage.

And,

you know, I have memories of, you know, waking up for middle school.

And, you know, she would have to wake up my brother.

She'd like feed him.

She'd get him to school.

Then she would come back just to let me sleep for like 20 extra minutes.

She would take care of us, get us to school.

Then she'd have to work her job where she was earning minimum wage, pay for all the stuff, pay for food.

I have no clue, Mick.

I have no clue how she did it.

But that is 100% my because I think a lot of my life revolves around the idea that I want to make sure that my mom, A, never has to go through that again, but also in the future with my kids, my wife, my family, that I can be the person there for them to be able to get them out of financial burden.

I saw I was very hard on my mom and I had to make a hard choice, especially the last couple of years with the idea that

I have the power, in my opinion, to help her.

have the conversations on the podcast, learn new things.

You know, I'm young.

I think it puts me in a good spot for people to want to to teach me things, right, to mentor me.

So just being able to learn from people, get as much as I can, you know, squeeze the sponge of information out of people.

Yeah.

I think that I am able to dictate the results of my life.

And although I have zero proof, Mick, it's funny because I was thinking about this.

I got some coffee today and I was thinking about it.

You know, you and I are very similar in our upbrings and our background of wanting to help our mom, right?

But unlike you, you know, you've done the thing, but right now I'm in the progress.

I'm trying to do it, the process, my apologies.

I'm trying to do the thing.

And although I have no evidence that this thing will work out, I think it's my obligation to help my mom.

Wow, brother.

One, that's touching.

Two,

you say I've done the thing.

But for those that don't know, Elon, tell everybody how old you are first, bro.

I'm 20.

I'm 20 years old.

Yeah.

So at 20, dude, I hadn't done the thing either.

At 20, I was in college at the University of North Carolina, and I was trying to do everything in my power to

make sure that I was

the blueprint for my mom, my sister, and my brother, right?

My brother was two years old at the time.

My sister was 16, so a junior in

high school.

And so I was working jobs to make sure that they had.

right?

I was making sure that I was creating a standard that everyone could be proud of, but I hadn't done the thing or figured the thing out.

I mean, I'm 47 now and I probably still haven't figured the thing out.

It's just working towards fulfilling that promise that I made to everyone.

And so now that promise has evolved to my wife and my kids and my tight circle.

So I don't want you to feel like you have to have the thing figured out because you are doing much more at 20.

than I was.

You've got a

hard-reaching, far-reaching podcast.

You've created a mindset framework.

Dude,

I was just trying to make sure I was surviving at 20.

So kudos to you for continuing to do that.

And I think folks that are listening to this that are my age will tell you, dang, Elon, you're doing it, brother.

So pat yourself on the back, accept these small victories because you are doing it.

So kudos to you, man.

Oh, dude, I appreciate the words.

Thank you so much.

And I know I think you can attest to the idea that, you know, sometimes it's very tough and it feels lonely because you don't see the results right away, right?

They're not.

I've been doing this thing for a couple of years.

I think even when I was like junior in high school, saying sophomore, like I always knew that this is going to be the thing, but it was a little bit hard for me to accept because I knew how hard the road would be, if that makes sense.

Like,

I wanted to do it the ethical way.

And I wanted to make sure that I learned from the right people as well.

So it was like.

I had to make a choice.

And it sounds kind of like cliche and dramatic, but I really had to make a choice between me just, you you know, I'm in college right now.

I can just go get a normal job, get my degree, whatever.

And it's good.

And, you know, my mom, like, she's got her thing and she's going to be fine.

Or I just dig my heels in and literally every single day work towards something.

Every single day, just work as hard as I can.

So the decision, you know, I made it.

I'm going forward one step at a time.

And I think over the long term, I can do it.

I really do, Mick.

No, not can.

You're going to do it.

It's all about one foot in front of the other, one day at a a time, focused on the right thing,

not the most popular thing,

right?

Not the low-hanging fruit thing, 100%.

Oh, yeah, right things.

Life is never going to be easy.

You know, I tell folks all the time as business leaders, we create, you know, these business plans and these business strategies.

And if they were all perfect, everybody in the world would be billionaires, right?

But life happens.

And it's all about how do you adjust?

right?

How do you fight through?

How do you reorganize?

How do you create new momentum?

And that's what life is all about, man.

So keep doing that because you're doing amazing.

So, Elon, I want to go to abundant thinking and when you decided that this was the message that you wanted to send out and share with the world.

because you felt like you had something to offer.

Dude, one, I'm proud of you for doing that.

Two, when did you know that that's what you were called to do?

Yeah, great question.

I would say, kind of like I mentioned earlier, you know, in middle high school years, I kind of made the decision that I wanted to do more.

And I tried out a lot of different things.

There were a lot of like small little side hustles I was doing and I was like, you know, maybe this is going to work.

Maybe this is going to be the thing.

But I had a realization that a lot of times people pitch an idea that's not true.

You know, a lot of times you see people like get rich quick schemes, all these things.

And like, you might be be able to make some money in the short term.

That's not my goal at all.

So

after trying and I wouldn't say failing, but just trying a bunch of different things out, I was like, okay, what is something that I can do that will be very worthwhile in the long term?

You know, maybe even I've had a deep-rooted belief in my life that no matter like

the people that get the good results in life do it for a reason.

Like I used to look at, you know, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos.

I'm like, okay, there's no way they just got lucky.

Right.

I mean, maybe some people, you you know, they were born into a good family, but there's just no way that every single person who's ever done something amazing just got a good hand dealt.

So I started looking into it and I really established the belief that, you know what, there has to be some good insights out there on how I can be the person to, you know, achieve these high-level things.

And that's what I set out to do.

And I thought about it.

I had some different ideas, but I was like okay, one, I like talking, as you can tell.

Two, I always value wisdom from people.

I mean, every single time my grandpa would sit me down, he'd tell me something, my dad, I always keep it in the the back of my head.

Like a lot of people, they'll hear something and it's like, oh yeah, I mean, that's a glint type.

They don't really take it to heart.

For me, I was always listening to people, always trying because listen, especially like I started when I was a freshman in college, what do I know?

I don't know anything.

And there's people who've had careers that are like four times longer than my entire life at that time.

You know what I mean?

So I wanted some really good wisdom from people and it gave me a good excuse to reach out to people.

I think that.

I was thinking what I would want it to be.

Like, you know, if I had a podcast, what would I talk about?

And the idea of a podcast that is kind of more more like, you know, Joe Rogan style, where you kind of just talk about your life, you make some different touch points never really appealed to me too much because I wanted to know very certain things.

It's like, okay, listen, you train, or you're a UFC fighter.

How did you get there?

What's your mindset?

How do you do that?

That's insane.

You're a top-level coach.

What does it take to do this?

Like, I wanted those very specific questions because I think those are the silver nuggets that kind of, you know, process more in my brain and make me think, oh, wait a second.

You know, I had this one UFC fighter on my podcast who said that you should always bet on yourself and then i actually had a coach who said that she finds out that you know you should bet on yourself so i'm like wait a minute there's some overlap there and once you know that kind of started happening i was like you know what i think mindset would be a really good idea because i believe mindset is where everything starts you know i can have the most skills and actually i will say i did so i played soccer for 13 years i mean that's a lot that's a long time right but i didn't have a good mindset and

i even you know, I did not perform to the best of my abilities because there were so many things hindering my performance.

So I thought about it and I'm like, listen, you can have so much experience in a field, but if your mindset isn't good enough, it's going to be hard for you to thrive, in my personal opinion.

However, on the contrary, if you have a really good mindset, you're just doing amazing things, but your skill level is low, I believe that mindset can allow you to increase your skill level and open up new opportunities for yourself.

And also, you know, just different, I guess, small, because mindset's a big word, right?

But different small increments of mindset is so important.

Like, for example, self-doubt.

It's like, listen, you can, I played soccer for 13 years, but I always doubted my abilities.

Whenever I'd see all the opponents in front of me, I'd be like, oh my God, this guy's faster than me.

And even my teammates, I remember every single game, I know the captains, like the teammates would be like, oh, dude, like that guy, number 41, he's really quick.

Watch out for him.

And that would automatically make me feel like, okay, I'm not quick enough.

You know, he's quicker than me.

So all of these different things.

But now that I'm doing this podcast, I started it with a high mindset, kind of like we're talking about, but low skill.

And I feel like over time, it's gotten better.

And, you know, I feel like I have such a ruthless mindset towards the things that I do that it's allowed me to create opportunities that myself five years ago would never believe.

I mean, even doing this, Meg, like this is such an honor to be on your show.

And I never would have imagined that I can do this.

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You know, Elon, one of the things that I admire about you, just, you know, being a follower of you and seeing you on social and YouTube is your consistency.

And I always tell people consistency breeds discipline.

So talk about the consistency that's needed, not even for content creation, but just in life.

Talk to people about that a little bit.

Yeah.

Oh, man.

I think consistency is everything.

And I've had a mentor of mine, he tells me, I might butcher this a little bit, but he tells me that consistency creates discipline and discipline is like what makes you successful, right?

Especially over the long term.

I think for me.

This is also another good thing I forgot to mention, but when I first started my podcast, I set a contract with myself.

I said, okay, I'm going to do this thing for two years.

It was December 2023 at the time.

So I got a couple of months off of my contract.

But I said, okay, listen, if whatever I do, because I was thinking, you know, I did all those side hustles, I did those things, and I wanted to do something that was going to be years and take me a while.

And it was hard work.

So I said, okay,

I want to do something that I'm going to do every single week for two years, non-negotiable.

And then only after two years, can I decide if it's for me or not?

You know, obviously there's a lot of push and pull with that because at any time, like it is me, I could just be like, yeah, whatever, I'm done.

But I don't do that to myself, right?

Doing it every single week.

I mean, it is, it's one of the hardest things that I found, but the most worthwhile successes.

When you can be consistent in your craft, it doesn't seem like much at the time, right?

It's like, okay, this week I'll upload.

And the next week comes around, you're like, oh, man, got to knock out this episode.

So you get the other episode done.

And then you look back after a year and you're like, wow, I've had a lot of episodes.

And even right now, I'm at like 111 episodes.

And it's like, it's crazy.

You know, you start at zero, you build this thing over time and time, and it gets bigger and bigger.

And I think one of my biggest inspirations for staying consistent is how many of my guests tell me: it's like, hey, if you want to be good at this thing, the world's best.

They do it consistently.

They do it every week.

They do it every day, etc.

Elon, brother.

You know,

you don't have the vocabulary.

You don't have the mindset.

You don't have the complacency of a lot of people your age.

And so I want to talk to our listeners and viewers personally right now.

You're 20 years old,

For the parents

that are listening or watching this episode, what are some things that they can be doing with their children that are in that, I'm going to call it 13 to 20, 21 year old stage?

What are the conversations that they should be having?

What does it look like?

What can they be doing?

That's a great question, Mick.

I would say,

and I read a really good book about this.

It wasn't about this, but it was included.

It was just this idea that

I think a lot of times, especially people my age, you know, they're going into like corporate jobs and they're doing all these things and they're just dragging.

And actually,

this episode is really good timing because yesterday I, I'll say surveyed.

For those of you guys not watching my video, I'm kind of like putting my hands up.

Like I surveyed 40 of my friends and I asked them like, what's their biggest mindset struggle?

And a lot of them.

said that they just feel misaligned that you know they don't know their why they don't know why they're here they don't know like what their purpose is in this earth.

And, you know,

it hurts a lot to hear that because it's people you care about, right?

And it's especially from someone like me, I feel like I did find my purpose.

I love talking about mindset.

I totally think I can teach this, right?

It's tough to see it.

I would say the thing that's allowed me to find the passion is having the opportunity to explore.

I asked my friends that said, hey, I never found my passion.

I don't know what I'm here for.

I said, do you try new things or do you kind of just like, you know, stay stuck?

Not like in a accusatory manner, but I'm like, hey, like, out of all the things you do, like, how many things are you trying?

Are you ever like talking to people, et cetera?

And they're like, you know, not really.

And I think for the parents that have kids, you said 13 to 20 years old, I think it's allowing them freedom to discover themselves.

And, you know, this is very like,

you know, I'm 20 years old.

I have a lot of wisdom and a lot of time to come like in the next years, right?

So it's hard for me to say an exact answer, but I would say the thing that's worked for me, so I'll just attest to myself, is just having the freedom to

find the thing that I liked.

And also, I will say, in a way,

the situation that I was put in with my mom has allowed me to excel.

And I understand that not everybody has the pressure behind them.

And, you know, our mutual friend, Dr.

Haley Perlis, she says pressure is a privilege, which is just, oh my God.

I mean, I tell all my friends about it.

And I totally agree.

But it's kind of thinking about, honestly, the worst case scenario helps me.

It's like when I'm not feeling like I can do the thing, it's like, okay, well, if I'm not going to do the thing, that means I'm not going to get my end goal.

And then my mom's going to remain in the same situation.

Then, same thing with my kids, right?

It's extrapolating it.

That's the thing that works for me.

So I would say maybe even creating a situation in where you feel a little bit pressured to do the thing.

Because a lot of people nowadays,

I don't want to use the word robot, but a lot of them are just going through the motions.

And it's hard to see because

it's hard.

to get to a certain point in your life if you never really, you know, dig your heels in and work as hard as you can.

But I think people don't understand it but the tldr i would say sorry for talking so much mick is just allow them to find their passion a i mean that's huge and also

and maybe even understanding how their passion can lead to bigger things like one of my friends i'm an overly optimistic guy i'll admit right but one of my friends he's like you know i'm doing i'm doing finance as a major but if he asked me the question he's like what would you do if money didn't matter And I answered the question.

And then he said, he's like, yeah, you know, honestly, I'd be like an artist or a writer.

And I'm overly optimistic.

So in my brain, I think to myself, I'm like, well, why can't you do that?

Right.

And boom, you can list a thousand reasons why you can't, but I totally, I totally believe that it is possible, no matter the person you are.

So, you know, going after your dreams.

And the thing is, you don't have to go all in.

You don't have to drop out of school and become an artist, but you can do both at the same time.

You know, I'm a student, but I also run the podcast and I have my community.

So it's like, you know, a lot of the people that I spoke to in my podcast, they mentioned that, you know, I was doing the thing for a while.

And then once it caught up to how much I was making for my job or when I thought it was the right time to like leave the other place, that's what I did.

And then it kind of of went up.

I dig that, man.

Are there any,

what's like one or two questions that can spark a conversation between parent and child?

What are a couple of questions that, you know, Elon wishes his mom would have asked or, you know, you've had friends and they've said, you know, if we could just have a conversation about X, like what would that look like?

I think it's harder.

The younger you are, it's harder.

But especially people around my age, I'd be like, what's the thing that kind of makes you excited to get up which sounds very cliche you know no i did it though yeah that's what i'm saying you know a lot of the things that are cliche people will say it's cliche i just said it's cliche but it's cliche because it applies like a lot of people they find out they have the same insights on things right and for me it's like you know a asking what's the thing that makes them tick and then b is how can you get that how can you do the thing you know like a lot of people can be like oh yeah i like my friend he said i want to be an artist i want to be a writer then my second question would be like okay well how can you do it in a manner that can make you semi-successful To where I understand, like, he's not going to, he might not be a Vincent Van Gogh, he's not going to, you know, have all these amazing art pieces, but like, how, how can you know that?

You know, you can't, it's tough because I think people give up on themselves faster than I give up on them, right?

Like, they're like, no, like, I don't want to be an artist.

And I'm like, yeah, but why?

And they're like, because it's not worth it the time.

And I'm like, I understand, but what if you do this?

Like, I'm always trying to find solutions for people, right?

And you know, for better or for worse, but I really believe that people can chase and go after the things they really want.

And it's going to take a lot and a lot of work, and it's going to be super hard.

But I mean, there have been people in worse situations than you who've done better for themselves.

So, why can't you be that person?

I love that, man.

I love that so much, Elon.

So, now I want to go next level.

So, we just talked to the parents.

But at some point, Elon, maybe not you, because you're an entrepreneur at heart.

But for most 20 to 25 to 27-year-olds, you're going to go work for someone else.

Sure.

And the modern employee is much different than when I was coming into the workplace.

And I don't necessarily mean younger.

I just mean modern.

We have much more information at our hands now.

We have different visions because society is different.

You know, when I was coming up, Elon, and I was getting ready to apply for jobs.

One of the first three questions when it was my turn to ask questions was always going to be about the benefits package in retirement.

What does that look like?

I'm going to gander, Elon, and you can tell me if I'm wrong, but I don't think a 401k or a pension is in your top three questions when you're looking at employment, right?

Am I wrong or am I right?

When you ask, are you saying for me or for people my age?

For people your age.

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like i don't think because my kids are in in your age group they don't think about 401k or pin

right like it might be something they care about but it's not top three right like my kids care more about

Talk to me about the culture.

Talk to me about, you know, how do you promote?

Talk to me about what my goals are.

Like be very clear about what you want me to do and how I succeed.

I think as modern employees, those become the things that are more important because at the end of the day, benefits packages are going to be roughly the same, right?

At most places.

I know that there's people listening and watching.

And yes, I know that there are different tiers of benefits.

That's not what I'm saying.

I'm just saying.

to the modern employee, that's not as important as we think.

So Elon, I'd love for you to elaborate on that.

Yeah, I would agree with you.

I'd say a lot of people my age definitely don't think about retirement packages in 401ks, especially like once they graduate college, because it seems like it's so far in the future.

I think that's another thing, as well: people

they're living in the now and they don't account for what's going to matter in like you know 40 years or 30 years, especially when they're trying to retire.

But that's just from what I observed.

Yeah, and I also think

again,

the modern employee cares more about

the work environment,

the team collaboration, right?

What do you do from a, they're not going to say emotional intelligence, but how can I make sure my voice is heard within the team, right?

Like what have you found to be the number one thing for that?

Like if somebody asks, you know,

for me, like I would, I think I would love to be in a leadership position, right?

Have my own company, be an entrepreneur.

What is one thing that you've noticed to be like a big differentiator between leaders?

Like, how can I be the best leader possible?

I know it's a very broad question, but I want to ask.

No, to be the best leader possible, you have to be present, meaning you have to be available proactively.

Every good leader that I know, Elon, is always present, right?

Meaning

they're not waiting for people to walk into their door.

Because here's what happens.

If I work for Elon and Elon tells me he's got an open door policy and Mick, you can come in anytime you want want to.

Well,

I need Elon to come see me, right?

I need to make sure Elon's present.

I don't care if it's virtual.

I don't care if it's in person, whatever, because when I go see Elon, if I have to walk into his door, I'm coming with a problem or a resignation letter, right?

So for you, Elon, I will tell you the best thing you can do as a leader is be present.

I have this saying that if your presence doesn't make a difference, your absence won't either.

I really like that.

Wow.

Yeah.

So, so always be present proactively.

That to me, that's a key of leadership.

Another thing for you as a leader is to

understand your data.

This is also you as a leader and an entrepreneur.

You have to understand the data that supports or influences your decision.

Don't let data tell the story you want to hear or see.

Let data tell the story that it's supposed to tell you.

Right.

And I think a lot of leaders

they want to hear or see certain things.

So they'll find the answer that they're trying to receive versus letting the story tell them the story.

And so, for you, I think that's going to be that's going to be really key.

And then, just another piece of advice for you, Elon, as you continue to grow and develop,

is hire people that fit your values.

don't necessarily worry about trying to find the right seats for them if if you have certain core values hire the talent that aligns with those core values and everything is going to work itself out

thank you so much for the insight i really appreciate it i felt like i was being interviewed just now

man so So let's get out of here.

I'm going to do your,

I call it my top five, my quick five.

So I know you're a sports nut.

I know you're in the Illinois, Chicago area.

Who's your favorite sport team?

And I don't care the sport.

Who's your favorite team?

I am not a big like sport team guy.

I'm a huge UFC fan, but if anything, I would say

I used to be a big Steelers fan when I was little, but I don't watch football too much anymore.

Apparently, if you're a Steelers fan.

Apparently not.

Apparently not.

All right.

What's your favorite daily morning routine?

I would definitely say waking up early is huge for me.

So, waking up early, if I can, going out for a run and then taking a cold shower after.

That's like the simple, like, it gets me up and it gets me rolling.

Also, some sometimes, not morning routine, but sometimes throughout the day, reading a little bit of my book, I try to read 10 pages a day.

So, I've been doing that and it's been huge for me.

All right.

That leads to question number three: you're on a deserted island.

What's one book you are definitely taking with you?

Do I have to get out or I'm just stuck there?

Oh, you're stuck there.

Okay.

I would say probably

Meditations by Marcus Aurelius.

It's my favorite book.

I've read it probably seven times.

I have it all highlighted.

You're not 20.

You're really 60.

I'm just going to.

What's been the biggest lesson that you've learned in life so far at 20 years old?

The people that go out and look for the answers end up finding them.

What about you?

What's your biggest lesson?

You've spoken to some amazing people.

Man, my, so my biggest lesson, honestly, I'm going to go to the business side versus the personal side.

My biggest business lesson came from Damon John, and he said, no matter what you do from a business perspective,

build it like you're going to sell it.

Even if you're never going to sell it, but let that shape the decisions that you make.

So that was my videos.

I love that.

Yep.

All right.

Last one.

What are the three podcasts that Elon listens to?

Okay, so

my favorite podcast, Modern Wisdom.

I've been listening to it forever, Chris Williamson's podcast.

And then I will say Real AF.

And then The Game by Alex Ramosey.

And then honorable mention, Mick Unplugged, obviously.

There we go.

But no, no, I want your three.

Like, I'm good.

I don't have to be in the top three it looks suspicious if i'm in your top three

i like it i like it

brother i appreciate you so much man tell tell the viewers and listeners where we can find and follow you yeah you can find me on instagram elon e-l-a-n dot gelfan g e l f a n d you can listen to my podcast called abundant thinking on all the major platforms you know spotify apple podcasts audible All those stuff.

Just go to my Instagram.

A lot of things are on there.

And, you know, all those things are always going to be free for you guys.

So if you're interested interested in that, always reach out to me as well.

And yeah, Mick, dude, thank you for being an amazing host.

You're awesome.

You're doing amazing things.

And I just, I appreciate your time more than you can imagine from the bottom of my heart.

Brother, I appreciate you more.

We're going to have to make this like a recurring theme where quarterly Elon and Mick get together and break it down, bro.

That's the dream.

That's the dream.

Let's do it.

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