Dream Bigger: Janice Bryant Howroyd’s Success Code

Speaker 1 I'm Alex Honnell, professional rock climber and founder of the Honnell Foundation.

Speaker 1 I wanted to let you know about a brand new season of the Planet Visionaries podcast in partnership with the Rolex Perpetual Planet Initiative.

Speaker 1 This is the podcast exploring bold ideas and big solutions from the people leading the way in conservation.

Speaker 1 Join me in conversation with the likes of climate champion Mark Ruffalo, biologist and photographer Christina Mittermeyer, and one of the most successful conservationists of our time, Chris Tompkins.

Speaker 1 Join us on Planet Visionaries, wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker 2 You know, as leaders, we talk about performance all the time. Business performance, mindset, focus.
But let's be real, performance shows up in every part of life.

Speaker 2 Half of young people today face psychosexual challenges at some point. Things like performance anxiety, low desire, or just feeling off.
It's normal. It's human.
We just don't talk about it enough.

Speaker 2 And that's where Mojo comes in. Mojo is the world's first AI sex and relationship therapist built from over 50 years of sexology research.

Speaker 2 It gives you short, guided sessions that help you reduce anxiety, rebuild confidence, and improve communication, all privately on your own time.

Speaker 2 I tried it myself, and what I love is how practical it is. It's judgment-free, it's easy to use, and it's actually doable.

Speaker 2 No pressure, no awkwardness, just real tools that help you understand yourself and your relationships better. This isn't about quick fixes.

Speaker 2 It's about learning to show up with confidence and calm in moments that matter the most. Head to mojo.so forward slash MCUnplugged for your seven-day free trial and start feeling the difference.

Speaker 2 That's mojo.so slash MCUnplugged because great leaders don't avoid tough conversations. They grow through them.
Mojo offers educational psychological support and is not a substitute for medical care.

Speaker 2 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to to another episode of Mick Unplugged. And this episode is very touching for me in many ways.
I'm talking to the queen.

Speaker 2 She turned a $900 loan into a billion-dollar enterprise, becoming the first African-American woman to own and operate a billion-dollar business.

Speaker 2 She's a trailblazer in staffing, a fierce advocate for equity, and a leadership icon who's redefined what's possible. She's brilliant.
She's bold, legendary. She is the queen.

Speaker 2 We're talking to none other, Miss Janice Bryant Howroyd.

Speaker 2 JBH, how are you doing today, dear?

Speaker 3 Wonderful, Nick. What an introduction.
Wow, thank you. It's a revisit for me, actually.
You mentioned staffing. You mentioned a billion dollars.

Speaker 3 And I think about what that meant when I first realized that was happening in the company. By the way, it wasn't just me, it was the incredible team of people who worked within the Act One group.

Speaker 3 And here we are now at a multi-billion dollar company operating in over 43 countries.

Speaker 3 And we're primarily providing technology solutions and the technology itself to enable companies to plan, to hire, and to retain workforces they desire.

Speaker 3 And we're also delivering a gentic solutions as part of that how work gets done environment that we operate within. So thank you for the revisit as well as an incredible introduction, Mick.

Speaker 2 Absolutely. So innovative, so cutting edge in everything that you do.
And, you know, I've been a huge fan of you all of my life, studied you.

Speaker 2 I became an entrepreneur a lot based on some of the wisdom and teaching that you were showing, not just telling. And that's why I love you with all of my soul.
And I know

Speaker 2 that Entrepreneurship for you didn't start in 1978 when you started the company. I know that you had a moment in the 11th grade when you realized there was something for you.

Speaker 2 I'd love for you to just talk to us a little bit about those beginnings, but in particular, when you knew that there's something bigger.

Speaker 3 You know, earlier I was talking with a gentleman who has had an amazing transformation in his life and by doing so has transformed the lives of others. And transformation is the big word right now.

Speaker 3 All companies are doing it. AI is encouraging it, sometimes forcing it, but always providing a support to it for us.
Now it's not a new thing, although people talk about it. It's new.

Speaker 3 It's been around for a while. And that's how I look at my journey of entrepreneurship.

Speaker 3 While I really became inspired that I would do something with my life that would be a light about who we are as a people. At that time, who we are was referring to us as Black people in the South.

Speaker 3 Today, it refers to us as entrepreneurial people who want to do good.

Speaker 3 I'm sitting right now in a conclave in Mexico with entrepreneurs who are looking at how we build democracy forward in an ethical and inclusive way.

Speaker 3 And so my journey, though, to entrepreneurship started before I was born. And I didn't realize it, Mick, until much later in talking with my mom.

Speaker 3 I didn't value back that when my grandma Dora and my grandpa Dan were running a barbecue house over on Panola Street in Tarborough, North Carolina, and they served white people at their dining room table and they delivered plates to black people based on what the black people's income was, not based on what the food cost, because they knew they'd get around to making it up somehow.

Speaker 3 I saw them practicing their version of ethical entrepreneurship.

Speaker 3 I saw them practicing their version of building forward for their family and taking care of their community in ways that certainly became a part of my emotional mindset.

Speaker 3 My academic mindset didn't capture it all until I was later sitting in a class at North Carolina AT State University and gave it to me.

Speaker 2 Right, let's go.

Speaker 3 The instructor gave some data that referenced what the poverty line was.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 just as you're doing, I tilted my head back and I thought, oh my, according to this data, we are poor. Yet in my community, I actually thought we were rich.

Speaker 3 We certainly were enriched by what mom and dad were teaching and giving to us. And we ate better than many wealthy people do now because we were growing food.

Speaker 3 We figured out how to grow stuff four seasons out of the year back there in the deep south.

Speaker 3 And we, I said often publicly, you know, my mama was planting these gardens in her yard long before Michelle planted one at the White House.

Speaker 3 And so, you know, I just really thought about life differently sitting in that class.

Speaker 3 And that was an epic moment for me that again, as you mentioned, fed back to the 11th grade when I was, and for your listeners who are not familiar with what you're referencing, my 11th grade year, I was one of the the few students who participated in the integration of the schools in my hometown.

Speaker 3 And so I was it for the 11th grade. And it was probably the worst year of my life, aside from the year that people who I've loved have years people who I loved have transcended.

Speaker 3 But it was worse even than that in ways because it was the killing of dreams in my soul.

Speaker 3 that occurred in that room. And my dad was so brilliant at building me back up.
And dad had this incredible way.

Speaker 3 I think it was a blessing actually that he had a gift of not just with me, but in particular, me in this moment, building a person up from a really low and sad place by painting the picture of their potential and giving them the evidence.

Speaker 3 of how they could move forward. And that's what he did for me that year.
It was one of the most building years of my life as a human. And I think it impacted how I look at humanity today.

Speaker 3 My dad taught me to love people who were actively, physically, socially

Speaker 3 hating me.

Speaker 3 And I learned something from him that later was epitomized in a in a couple of lines out of a book called As a Man Thinketh. I gained the right to rewrite that book into As a Person Thinketh.

Speaker 3 And what those two lines say is, we think in secret and it comes to pass. Environment is but our looking glass.

Speaker 3 And he taught me that if I didn't like what I was seeing around me, that it was within my capacity and my responsibility. And we were very Bible-based and Christian then, as I remain today.

Speaker 3 And so he taught us that it was a responsibility as well as an ability to to build forward and to be inclusive.

Speaker 3 And don't hate people because you hate them, because that's a sickness and that's an illness they have. That was no pushover, mind you.
You didn't want to get on the wrong side of Mr.

Speaker 3 John Hardy Bryant.

Speaker 3 He could do what he needed to do. I think importantly, he loved his family and he taught us.
to be together. One of the main themes in my company throughout the years has been together we win.

Speaker 3 That started. That was formulated in my home.
There were 11 kids, one one mom, one dad. That's how we did it back then.
And

Speaker 3 together we win was kind of a Bryant household theme. And that meant that

Speaker 3 if your siblings weren't getting good grades in school, then you couldn't brag about the grades you got until you helped them get it.

Speaker 3 If somebody didn't finish cleaning the kitchen properly, then you had to get in there and help them. And each of the older ones had a younger one who we were responsible for.

Speaker 3 And it wasn't just about getting homework done. It was about making sure they were clean, they were properly practicing hygiene, that they were completing their chores.

Speaker 3 And primarily, they were holding a positive attitude toward life.

Speaker 3 Never did I imagine how mom and dad, so, so absolutely fanatical about us keeping a positive attitude, would impact my life as I journeyed away from that small hometown.

Speaker 3 And now, as I've said, have opened in over 40 countries. I said 43 countries were actually in over 47.

Speaker 2 47. That's amazing.

Speaker 3 That's a little nubby-headed girl from Tarlborough, North Carolina.

Speaker 2 Let's go. Let's go.
Tarborough, stand up.

Speaker 2 JBH, you don't know this, but you're probably the most quoted person in my household.

Speaker 2 I have looked up to you, like I said, as a business leader, as an entrepreneur for quite a long time.

Speaker 2 And you have something that's a core pillar in not just my household, but the four companies that I run too.

Speaker 2 You have this quote and you say, never compromise who you are personally for who you want to be professionally.

Speaker 2 You know, every morning before I walk into a meeting, before I hit record on the podcast, before I lead a team, I start with one scoop, AG1, because leadership starts with energy, clarity, and consistency.

Speaker 2 And that's exactly what AG1 gives me. a simple foundational habit that keeps me one scoop ahead of the chaos.
It's not another supplement sitting on on the shelf.

Speaker 2 It's a micro habit that sets the tone for my day.

Speaker 2 Inside that one scoop, superfoods, B vitamins, antioxidants, probiotics, and functional mushrooms that support your energy, focus, and overall wellness, especially in seasons like this, travel, long days, and short nights.

Speaker 2 AG-1 keeps me grounded. I don't chase health anymore.
I lead it. If you've been looking for something to help you stay consistent, stay fueled, and stay ready, AG-1 is that move.

Speaker 2 I use it, you should too. Head to drinkag1.com forward slash MC to get a free welcome kit with an AG1 flavor sampler and a bottle of vitamin D3 plus K2 when you first subscribe.

Speaker 2 That's drinkag1.com forward slash MC because great leaders don't just prepare for the day, they prepare their body for it. Have you ever felt like the banking system is stacked against you?

Speaker 2 I remember overdraft fees hitting me at the worst time and feeling like I was always playing catch up with my money. That's why I love QIIME.
CHIIME understands that every dollar counts.

Speaker 2 When you set up direct deposit, you get access to features that actually help you get ahead. Getting paid up to two days early, fee-free overdraft coverage up to $200,

Speaker 2 and no monthly maintenance fees. CHIME has already spotted its members over $30 billion.

Speaker 2 That is real progress. Plus, with over 47,000 fee-free ATMs nationwide, more than the top three national banks combined, you can access your money when you need it without worrying about fees.

Speaker 2 I use CHIME, and you should too. Work on your financial goals through QIIME today.
Open an account in two minutes at chime.com slash MIC. That's chime.com slash MC.

Speaker 2 CHIME.

Speaker 2 Feels like progress.

Speaker 4 Chime is a financial technology company, not a bank.

Speaker 4 Banking services and debit card provided by the Bankwork Bank NA or Stripe Bank NA, members of FDIC, spot me eligibility requirements and overdraft limits apply.

Speaker 4 Timing depends on submission of payment file. Fees apply at out of network ATMs, bank ranking, and number of ATMs, according to U.S.
News and World Report 2023. Chime checking account required.

Speaker 2 And that's a pillar for who we are, my businesses, as well, because I need all of my teammates. I don't call them employees.
I need all of my teammates to understand

Speaker 2 I want you to be the best human being that you can be first and foremost

Speaker 2 because that's a part of our culture and culture runs our business, not me, not you. It's who you are as a human being.
And I would love for you to elaborate on that quote because it changed my life.

Speaker 2 It made me when I started my first company, it made me understand

Speaker 2 you have dreams, you have visions, but don't compromise who you are. And then who I am is who my business is too.

Speaker 3 You're so on point there.

Speaker 3 And, you know, thank you and thank God that you find something that I do that is worthy of expressing that forward in how you live in your home and how you live in your business.

Speaker 3 That examples a lot about your own personal culture. May I, in preface to talking about that statement, because that is my life mantra,

Speaker 3 just talk a little bit about culture.

Speaker 2 Culture

Speaker 3 is often referred to as something we can get around to or something we can have a marketing team design for us when we're in business.

Speaker 3 It's often referred to as a very social singular thing thing when we're talking about communities or individuals, when in fact, it encompasses everything about us.

Speaker 3 It is how we live, you know. And so culture is important

Speaker 3 because it also is a very threatible and a very expanding thing for us.

Speaker 3 And you try to sell something into a community without understanding its culture, you're going to go flat broke. You try to sell an idea.

Speaker 3 You try to sell a relationship into someone's home or someone's person without understanding their culture, and you're going to get closed down.

Speaker 3 And chances are, you'll be closed down long before you realize that you're trying is in vain.

Speaker 3 And so how that feeds into who we are personally is about making certain that we don't, you know, there's a lot of conversation about appropriating as well.

Speaker 3 And we can get so granular in how we look at relationships. What I found in my life, Mick,

Speaker 3 is that we need to get in touch with who we are. That's where all the strength, that's where all the growth, that's where all the pain can be healed is when we understand who we are.

Speaker 3 And so I came to, I'm sitting in Mexico right now. I left the East Coast for the West Coast in the 70s and the 1970s.

Speaker 3 And I arrived in Los Angeles in the middle of what was a very exciting time for my sister and her husband.

Speaker 3 They were in the entertainment industry, and I met so many stars, people who I read about in Jet magazine and seen on the

Speaker 3 cover of Ebony magazine and seen on TV. I was meeting these people, and I was meeting people who were mixing, marrying, working, building across races

Speaker 3 as well as across their talents. And so it was an exotic time for me as well.

Speaker 3 And I looked at them and I felt so different than them, Mick, because here I was, as I mentioned earlier, a navy-headed colored girl from Tarborough, North Carolina, talking very southern.

Speaker 3 And my husband used to say he could tell when I'd been on the phone with my mama because it took me two or three hours to get my standard American English

Speaker 3 back in place.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 3 I look at them and I realized I'm not going to be these people. I am me.
I ain't going to have straight water wave hair. I ain't going to have bright white skin.
I ain't going to have light eyes.

Speaker 3 And, you know, I'm probably going to keep the hips and boobs too, you know? And so I just thought

Speaker 3 that was so surface. about how I was looking at myself because that was how people got the opportunity to move forward in that industry.
How you look matter a lot.

Speaker 3 And Peaches and Herb, who went out on the road singing, weren't Peaches and Herb who were singing in the studio. And so,

Speaker 3 you know, I thought to myself, what am I going to do? And my brother-in-law said to me, You owe it to yourself to prove yourself before you go back. Mind you, I come to the West Coast on a vacation.

Speaker 3 Still on that vacation, Nick. Look at life.
Look at God.

Speaker 3 And so I determined that I couldn't value myself out of opportunities because of how I looked. I had to understand

Speaker 3 about

Speaker 3 whose I was and not just who I was

Speaker 3 and the disrespect

Speaker 3 to my parents, to my ancestors, to my creator, and to my opportunities by devaluing me and changing me to look a certain way or behave a certain way in order to get ahead in life.

Speaker 3 And I'm so glad that my sister and I had many evenings, many of them with tears, many of them with laughter, working on me, doing the work on me to help me to realize that that person who I was in Tarborough, North Carolina, was the person I was designed to be.

Speaker 3 And it's how far I saw I could take her that made the difference, not not how far someone else saw. And so I decided that I would never compromise who I was personally on my values

Speaker 3 in order to become who I wish to be professionally. And it enabled me by doing that

Speaker 3 to let go of the hostage I held myself.

Speaker 2 to

Speaker 3 around

Speaker 3 things like appearance, things like personal culture.

Speaker 3 I was able, once I accepted my culture was good, and then once I celebrated that it came from a strong and enduring place to be able to identify who I was inside.

Speaker 3 And some people, that's a flip side journey for them. When I arrived in Los Angeles back in the mid-70s, it was a very visually stimulating place.

Speaker 3 And so it threw me in the face and it gave me an opportunity to decide: who am I? What do I stand for?

Speaker 3 And in my company today, we

Speaker 3 have a credo

Speaker 3 that we stand on these feet.

Speaker 3 And that's how we grow forward. And feet, F-E-E-T, is F, freedom to innovate, E,

Speaker 3 excellence in delivery, E, because everyone and everything matters. T invest the time to understand.

Speaker 3 F-E-E-T.

Speaker 3 Now, when you give a person freedom to innovate, you are basically saying you have permission to make mistakes, make them fast, be transparent about them, and let's all learn how we grow from them.

Speaker 3 Sticky notepads that many people use to this day, even in this digital age, were an accident at

Speaker 3 one of the

Speaker 3 national entities where we do exploration. And it was an attempt to look for how to put planes together with glue.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 some folks from 3EM walked in and they said, wow, this we can commercialize, we can monetize it.

Speaker 3 They didn't see the value in it as scientists because it wasn't achieving what they looked at having it to solve.

Speaker 3 But 3M said, this is exactly something we can innovate from and built a multi-million dollar empire on somebody else's mistake.

Speaker 3 And so giving people the freedom to innovate and allowing everyone that opportunity is valuable, whether you're doing that in a personal or a business relationship.

Speaker 3 Excellence in delivery, the young man I talked with earlier today, Shaka, said it better than I can. I paraphrase him, but he said, why settle for good enough when excellence can be yours? You know?

Speaker 3 And so we look to deliver excellence by encouraging each other to be our best in our company. And I think it works well in your personal life.
And then everything and everyone and everything matters.

Speaker 3 It's in the details, Mick.

Speaker 3 It's in the details. You think you're rolling.

Speaker 3 You think you're doing so great, but it can be that one little thing that you were thoughtless to, unaware of, or had no knowledge about that can paralyze the opportunity, can hurt somebody, can lose you the deal.

Speaker 3 And so, everyone and everything matters.

Speaker 3 Years ago, when I would go into San Francisco on an early morning United flight from LA and then catch the United flight back that same day, you could do that in, you know, a matter of a couple of hours.

Speaker 3 Now it takes you a couple of hours to get through security. Wow, those were the days.
Mick, I'd go into the large buildings there and I'd notice people rushing by and signing in.

Speaker 3 They had receptionists at the front entry. And I never noticed people saying hello or engaging well with the receptionists.
And we'd always stop, my team and I, we'd take time, how you doing?

Speaker 3 You know,

Speaker 3 how's Joe, your little boy? Oh, last month you said he, did he? Did he make it? Did he make it on the team?

Speaker 3 Those kinds of things, you know, and one lady said, oh, you always smell so good and your breath is so fresh. I never thought about the impact of people's breath on a receptionist, right?

Speaker 3 And I handed her a packet of gum that I had. I said, this is what I use.
And she loved it. And, you know, so when I came back, she said, ah, I'm in here chatting with it.

Speaker 3 She also told me everybody who'd been in before me to make a presentation, what their energy was, you know, et cetera, et cetera. And I didn't ask her for that.
She felt that we were in a community.

Speaker 3 She felt we had a culture of shared experiences. She bothered to read about me.
She knew that I come from humble beginnings, as had she, and she knew that I was an example of who she could become.

Speaker 3 But most importantly, she knew she mattered. She knew she mattered in my life.

Speaker 3 And boy, did she prove it because actually we won a contract in large part because of that young lady being so thoughtful and so caring to help us to understand that one of the people we were going to be going in to present to had a particular crisis they were dealing with.

Speaker 3 And we were able to be sensitive to that.

Speaker 3 That showed that company that we were going to be sensitive to how we demonstrated our expertise and not just go in there and try to, you know, show them stuff.

Speaker 3 And that kind of leans into time to understand, you know, time is the most precious commodity, yet it is one that all of us have.

Speaker 3 And we share that same amount by day, depending on how we separate our days.

Speaker 3 Sometimes I think we work five day weeks and have longer hours than a day when we blur the lines of when we start and finish.

Speaker 3 Time is something that is so important. We have but amount of it, but a certain amount of it on earth.
And I think how we invest it is so important. I no longer spend time.
I invest time.

Speaker 3 When I talk with my employees, I remind them, you know, it's okay if you want to spend stuff, but make sure you're only spending 10% of it. 90% of it has to be invested.
You have to be thoughtful.

Speaker 3 You have to be intentional. You have to be caring about how you invest your time.

Speaker 3 It's one of your most precious gifts. And I'm really grateful for the time that you're allowing me to share with you, Mick.

Speaker 5 Tito's handmade vodka is America's favorite vodka for a reason.

Speaker 5 From the first legal distillery in Texas, Tito's is six times distilled till it's just right and naturally gluten-free, making it a high-quality spirit that mixes with just about anything.

Speaker 5 From the smoothest martinis to the best Bloody Marys, Tito's is known for giving back, teaming up with nonprofits to serve its communities and do good for dogs.

Speaker 5 Make your next cocktail with Tito's, distilled and bottled by Fifth Generation Inc., Austin, Texas, 40% alcohol by volume, savor responsibly.

Speaker 6 Chronic spontaneous urticaria, or chronic hives with no known cause. It's so unpredictable.
It's like playing pinball.

Speaker 6 Itchy red bumps start on my arm, then my back,

Speaker 6 sometimes my legs. Hives come out of nowhere

Speaker 6 and it comes and goes. But I just found out about a treatment option at treatmyhives.com.
Take that, chronic hives. Learn more at treatmyhives.com.

Speaker 2 This is a masterclass. I'm over here taking notes on everything that you because again, again,

Speaker 2 you are like that mentor that you didn't know that you were to me. And so we're going to have one of my companies, we're having a team meeting tomorrow, and we're going to talk about feet.

Speaker 3 Oh, beautiful, beautiful.

Speaker 3 You know, it's a measurable thing for us. Oftentimes, you go into environments and

Speaker 3 you see

Speaker 3 things on the wall, especially pre-COVID, and you see how people brand themselves. And, you know,

Speaker 3 it's kind of sad when those occurrences happen that they are

Speaker 3 purchased ideas, but they're not practiced ideals.

Speaker 3 And companies put logos and mottos up all around because they're catchy. They catch the attention.
They catch the niche that someone's looking for.

Speaker 3 Or you're giving it all to your external customers and never delivering it to your employees who are your internal customers. We're all customers to each other, you know? And so we measure feet.

Speaker 3 It's how we get paid. It's not just what we tell clients about how we operate.

Speaker 2 I love it. I love it.
I mean, again, this is something I'm going to incorporate because it's one of those must-have things.

Speaker 2 If you really have a culture of trust, if you have a culture of transparency, to me, it starts with your feet. No pun intended.

Speaker 3 Absolutely. That's how you get each step of your growth is determined by your feet.

Speaker 2 Yes, absolutely. Again, this is a masterclass.
You know, I normally ask this question at the beginning, but I wanted to ask you this now.

Speaker 2 You know, I asked my guest, what's your because?

Speaker 2 That thing that's deeper than your why, right? Simon Sinek wrote a book, Start with Why, and I think it became a phenomenon. We talk about your why.
To me, that's cute, but your because

Speaker 2 to me is deeper. Your because is your purpose.
It's that mission that drives you, right? If I were to say, you know, what's your why? People tell me they're kids, their spouse, their family.

Speaker 2 But when I say, but why, it usually starts with, well, because blah, blah, blah, blah. I care about the because.
So if I were to say, Ms. Janice,

Speaker 2 today,

Speaker 2 Why do you keep doing what you do? What's your because? What's that purpose that keeps you igniting and and inspiring the millions that you do?

Speaker 3 It's because I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

Speaker 3 Staying close to my basic belief, we started our conversation, Mick,

Speaker 3 around my personal mantra.

Speaker 3 Never compromising who you are personally to become who you wish to be professionally.

Speaker 3 The beauty, the joy, the freedom of Shaka said to me earlier today, you know,

Speaker 3 I was in prison

Speaker 3 when there were no walls and I was free when the doors were locked. I get to decide.
He learned from his studying of Mandela

Speaker 3 that his mind

Speaker 3 was so crucial to how he saw himself, and how he saw himself was crucial to how he elevated himself above the circumstances, above the past, and beyond the limitations.

Speaker 3 And that's so important to know.

Speaker 3 I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

Speaker 3 That's my because.

Speaker 3 That's my because, Mick.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 when you do things things

Speaker 3 through Christ,

Speaker 3 you've got to study the whole text and the context.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 I'm not saying I can do all things because some things aren't proper for me to do as me.

Speaker 3 You know, but I can do all things through Christ. who strengthens me.
When I seek to,

Speaker 3 and, you know, I'm I'm Bible-based-based, and we're taught: seek ye first the kingdom of God, and all these things shall be added unto you.

Speaker 3 People often will speak about me in terms of what they see I've done

Speaker 3 in my life.

Speaker 3 I measure my success by what I've done with my life.

Speaker 3 And I do believe that

Speaker 3 it's so important

Speaker 3 for us, no matter where we find ourselves, whether that is in the context of society, in the context of politics, in the context of

Speaker 3 finance and business, wherever we find ourselves, seeking first the kingdom of Christ for me is important. If that's not your measure,

Speaker 3 find out what that thing is that is higher than you,

Speaker 3 that is bigger than you,

Speaker 3 and that is embracing of you, that you can aspire to. Years ago, a young man in my company, Zia Islam, shared something with me that I've kept forever.

Speaker 3 And Zia, I asked Zia, how do you find your strength, Zia, during certain circumstances? And he shared with me, his father had taught him, Zia,

Speaker 3 never chase the money, let the money chase you.

Speaker 3 And I thought on that for years because people

Speaker 3 so

Speaker 3 find it complimentary, think it complimentary, and find it so casual to speak about my success in terms of the billions of dollars that my company generates a year, volumes out at a year, or the billions of dollars that the entrepreneurs who I've mentored aggregate over a year.

Speaker 3 The truth is, if those entrepreneurs aren't happy, if they're not going home to families they treasure and who know they are treasured, if my grandbabies don't know me because my children don't want to know me, if those things are occurring in my life, then any measure of gold is not going to satisfy success for me.

Speaker 3 Success is the worthy realization of a worthy ideal. And I learned that through study.
That wasn't me, you know, who thought of that. Earl Nightingale put that in front of me years ago.
And so

Speaker 3 when you

Speaker 3 live with that measurement, make no mistake, we've got to do the finance, we've got to keep the numbers if you're in business. We're not talking about, you know, just working on faith.

Speaker 3 Faith without works is dead. But

Speaker 3 it's about finding that balance about where you are and who you are that allows you to continue to elevate.

Speaker 3 And you come from an environment as I do, if you say you grew up in Greenville, South Carolina, and I'm in Tarborough, North Carolina.

Speaker 3 We both come from a community and a mind and a culture that taught us we can do well and do good at the same time.

Speaker 3 And in my house, it was, If you're doing well, be certain you're doing good at the same time so i don't know if i've answered you but i share with you transparently my truth jbh again this has been a master class i have so many notes i have so many takeaways i know the viewers and listeners are receiving this as well too

Speaker 2 i also know you talk about time being your best asset you took time to to be with us today And again, you have no idea what that means.

Speaker 2 I just, I owe you upon owing you upon owing you because you are one of those figures in my life that I've always tried to shape myself.

Speaker 2 I owe you that gratitude.

Speaker 3 Mick, thank you for this invitation and thank you for the work that you're doing. Living gratitude, living grace.

Speaker 2 You got it. You got it.
Where do you want people to find and follow you? And Ask JBH is one of my favorite podcasts out there. So we're going to have links to that out there as well, too.

Speaker 3 All right. Well, if they're doing that, they can follow me through that.
I'm on all the social platforms, so they're very welcome to do that.

Speaker 3 And if they're urgent to any communication, they can DM me.

Speaker 2 Look at that. David H, thank you so much.
And to all the viewers and listeners, remember, you're because is your superpower. Go unleash it.

Speaker 2 You've been plugged into Mick Unplugged. Don't just listen, take action.
Rate and subscribe. Follow me on social and get the full experience at mickuntofficial.com.

Speaker 2 Keep building, keep leading, and most importantly, keep dominating.

Speaker 7 Join Vanguard for a moment of meditation.

Speaker 4 Take a deep breath.

Speaker 7 Picture yourself reaching your financial goals.

Speaker 4 Feel that freedom.

Speaker 7 Visit vanguard.com/slash investinginyou to learn more. All investing is subject to risk.