#913 - Andrew Schulz - Why Does Modern America Feel So Insane?

Speaker 1 What a great day for Netflix. Yeah, Megan Markle's new lifestyle series drops today.
There's two lives out there.

Speaker 1 Is that it?

Speaker 1 Wait, did she have another show? They're not giving her more shows. With love, brand new series.
No way. Drops right now.
She can't miss, bro. You only fail up.
You really only fail up. This is crazy.

Speaker 1 This is crazy. Have we started the pod? Yeah, yeah.
Okay, we have. All right, this is fire.
I just want to let everybody know that you know, Chris usually spends a lot of money on sets.

Speaker 1 And I told him, I was like, save it.

Speaker 1 I said, don't rent out a warehouse or something aesthetically pleasing and have a whole team of cameras.

Speaker 1 Just have five Serbian guys set these things up here, throw some fleshlights in the back, and we'll be good. And I think we'll get the same thing across.
Okay. You had a hard day.

Speaker 1 I shouldn't even bust your balls about this. Oh, we're living.
Yeah. Look, she versus Megan Markle today.
That's it. She's in next.
So what's her thing? What's her story? What's the... Well, she's...

Speaker 1 It's a reality show about her? She's got genitals so potent that America finally managed to take down the United Kingdom, right?

Speaker 1 Not with war, not with bureaucracy, but with a woman who literally managed to suck the fucking privilege out of Prince Harry using her magical yoni.

Speaker 1 It is interesting that she's so

Speaker 1 hated, huh? What is that about?

Speaker 1 A lot of people dislike her. If you want to search Meghan Markle.
Because we don't like the royal family, really. I think we're kind of ambivalent towards them in America.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you guys think it's kind of like a cricket or something. Yeah.
It's like a fucking artifact. Yeah.
Yeah. It's not.
I heard you were a bowler. I was.
Yeah. I was.
For like a pretty good school.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
That was the only way I got into university. They reduced my entry requirements because they thought I was going to come and play sport.

Speaker 1 Little did they know that they just had a like adult infant waiting in the wings who was going to completely like so you stopped playing the second you went? Essentially.

Speaker 1 I mean, I dropped down to to like just drinking partying and running events yeah and they did that thing uh why are the indians so good at that they're not really athletic people well think about all of the places that good at cricket yeah places that we colonized australia yeah india pakistan canada canada pretty good at it as well so do you give them a thing to like beat you at for fun like is that how you you you keep them

Speaker 1 yeah you can have that don't rebel we'll keep the rubies don't rebel again yeah

Speaker 1 you guys play in the field for two days i i i've been looking forwards to telling you this because I saw you do your show here in Austin about a year ago, almost exactly a year ago. That's right.

Speaker 1 That's right. And I went and got a sperm count done.
Did you? Because of you. Exclusively because of you.
And how was it?

Speaker 1 First one, so I got a whole fucking story for you about this. Please tell me.
I love this. I love your people.

Speaker 1 What size shoe are you, bro?

Speaker 1 That's a U.S. 10.

Speaker 1 Okay, you double digits. All right.

Speaker 1 That's a cute, that's a cute size right there. 10? All right.
You're a big motherfucker to have a size 10. Yeah, well, look.

Speaker 1 You're a big guy. I don't know if that's a 10.
Oh, no, that's a 9. Actually, I wear a 10.
I wear a 10, but these are a 9 deserve.

Speaker 1 Give me that camera.

Speaker 1 I'm pairing.

Speaker 1 You've been here for three minutes and you're like, fucking.

Speaker 1 Got a pair of Doc Martins up against me. You're going to tell me your sperm is way better than mine.
I'm not. I'm not.
Wait, do you have shitty sperm too? Let me fucking.

Speaker 1 I'm hanging up.

Speaker 1 I got distracted by my wife's crocs on you. I got a little intimidated.

Speaker 1 This is my prophylactic, okay? This is my fucking.

Speaker 1 This is my protection. Well, if the sperm is bad, you don't even need it, bro.
That's true. I can just wear the croc.
That's double protection. Anyway, so do a mail-in one.
I do a mail-in sperm thing.

Speaker 1 Have you ever seen how that works? So you put it in systems. Not at all.
Okay. None at all.
So

Speaker 1 when I did my mail-in, I was jerking off

Speaker 1 in my room while my wife was in the other room. She's like, I'll give you a few minutes to do this.
And I was like, and then I was like, can you?

Speaker 1 And then she's like, I don't know if I don't want to get any interruption or whatever. And I remember I was jerking off in my bed by myself.
I've never jerked off in my bed of my home by myself.

Speaker 1 And at one point, I'm, I'm, I'm jerking off and I look up and my TV is off. So it's just a reflection.

Speaker 1 And that is the saddest day of my life. Right there, that is.

Speaker 1 Knowing that your wife is on the other side of a wall and watching myself jerk off into like a black screen. The saddest porno ever.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And like also, you think your strokes are way longer when you're doing it and not being filmed. But I'm not really going that far.
It's more of like a, it's like a quicker pump.

Speaker 1 Like any kind of pantomime. Yes, exactly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're having a seizure.
Yeah, whatever. Small vibration.
Exactly.

Speaker 1 But like in stand-up, if I was ever doing it, I'd always be like, yeah, I'm fucking nah. Not got the length, man.

Speaker 1 Anyway, mail it in, comes back.

Speaker 1 That's not so good. I start Chat GPT

Speaker 1 and they're like, well, you have to remember. The suspension liquid says do not shake, right? This isn't a, it's not a fucking core power.
You're not supposed to like make sure that. Oh, did you?

Speaker 1 No, no, no. But the DPD guy that carried it it for 24 hours doesn't know to not shake it, right? He chucks it in the back with the Amazon writer's and all the rest of the stuff.

Speaker 1 So anyway, then I go to Oseneurology in Austin and it's way better, but

Speaker 1 still shitty. Varicasil.
Oh, yeah, of course. I got all that.
Did you get your surgery?

Speaker 1 No, because so I had it since I was young. Varicaceal.
Yeah, yeah. So explain what that is to people so they don't know what it is.
Varicasil is.

Speaker 1 Looks like someone threw up in your ball sack. It's an inefficiency of vasculature around the epididymis.

Speaker 1 So you should, you should just, everybody listening should just compare how both of us talk about the world right there.

Speaker 1 You describe exactly what it looks like. Let me threw up in your ball sack.
And I said, this is what it looks like. So you're both between the two of us.
Yeah, yeah, we got it. Perfect.
Exactly.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. We have both ends of the IQ bell curve, and this is what's going to.

Speaker 1 It means that you're not circulating heat away. Actually, heat's the issue, right? Exactly.
So, so your balls descend when it's hot and then they ascend when it's cold, right?

Speaker 1 And this is why, you know, you're freezing, your balls get all tight. And they're basically trying to like monitor the temperature of the ball sac so that your sperm doesn't die.

Speaker 1 And what some varicoseal is, is that you have some veins a lot of times that should be further up into your, like, basically stomach area, like groin area, and they just fall into your balls.

Speaker 1 And I had those for a while. I remember a doctor once said, we can do it, but we won't know if it will do anything.
He even said this to me. It's funny.
I haven't even thought about this. He goes, um,

Speaker 1 he goes, it might affect your ability to get uh pregnant or it might not and this is when i was in like my 20s and uh because i thought i had ball cancer that's what i thought it was because you just see this fucking oh there's like something like it's just imagine like a sack of spaghetti like in your balls and i was like and he's like yeah it just might affect your ability to get pregnant and um

Speaker 1 and i remember thinking like oh leave it you know what i mean i'm in new york and i'm running around yeah i'm like whatever it is what it is and um

Speaker 1 and yeah wow years later I should have thought about that when I was going through the whole thing. Okay, so you're a varicoseal.
How was your, did they swim? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 The morphology, motility, count, like, all pretty. Yeah.
But, uh, yeah. You weren't warped at all? You didn't have any.

Speaker 1 No. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But, uh, anyway, all of that went through all of that just because of you. Well, I appreciate that.
I hope everybody goes out there and does it. I think.
Save yourself some time.

Speaker 1 Dude, I think that guys, especially, it's so easy to just come in a cup. Yeah, it's also there's, you know, there's plastic and everything.

Speaker 1 Like, they were finding what is the microplastics are in your balls. And like, everybody's worried about drinking a pull and spring because of the microplastics.

Speaker 1 And like, my buddy told me if a car in a city stops, like they just hit their brakes, the amount of microplastic that goes into the environment. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like drinking out of plastic shit is the equivalent of like not using a plastic straw to help the ocean. Like 90%.

Speaker 1 of the fuck-up in the ocean comes from the uh was it commercial fishing you've seen this where they just like leave the nets out there did you see that doc which one one? It's a documentary called

Speaker 1 I'm going to forget the fucking name. It was like a pun, but they did the wrong pun.
I wish we had another person in this room as a fucking researcher. Whatever.
We can just get it wrong.

Speaker 1 We can just keep getting everything. No, no, no, no.
It was.

Speaker 1 Are they listening out there? Do any of you guys know what it is?

Speaker 1 See something. Oh, God.

Speaker 1 It was C Spiracy. Yes.
Okay. Okay.
We don't need you. We don't need you, Jonathan.
Go away. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it's like, yes,

Speaker 1 I don't want to correct people here, but it should have been conspiracy.

Speaker 1 Very good. Come to Andrew Schultz for your branding performance.
You know what I mean? This is what we do over here.

Speaker 1 Like Newtonic. Thank you.
Yeah, you makes seed.

Speaker 1 I was chastised for drinking new tonic the second I sat down on this podcast.

Speaker 1 Chastise

Speaker 1 said anytime. Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 Guys, John, we need to clean the tops of the new tonic before we put them on the podcast. Okay?

Speaker 1 I understand we're in a CIA bunker that USAID USAID has been funding in Pakistan that we're doing this podcast, but I need the top of the Newtonic cleaned. Can we get a shot of this?

Speaker 1 I think this is where Chris put his sample.

Speaker 1 It's about the right amount.

Speaker 1 The fucking difference in volume, dude. Oh, what? You warned me the fucking sperm sample thing.
Oh, yeah, it's brutal. It's like, it's so humbling.
You know, it's funny is when I first did...

Speaker 1 When I first did it,

Speaker 1 I joke around in the special. There's one thing I didn't say in the special, but like,

Speaker 1 first of all, when I first got the results, your ego plays so much, and they were like, it wasn't that good. What I said to my wife was,

Speaker 1 she's like, yeah, we got the results and they weren't that good. And they were like, and some of them are like morphed.

Speaker 1 Like, there's like an issue with not just swimming, but they're like shaped weird.

Speaker 1 And I dead serious said to my wife, I was like, well, maybe it was the force that they hit the cup.

Speaker 1 You know, like, that's so fucking car. Straight.

Speaker 1 Exactly. It was 9-11.
Like, boom, just smacking into that cup. Yeah, somewhere you're getting both strongman.
Exactly. Yeah.
Exactly. But no.

Speaker 1 Dude, I hit up Huberman. I was like, what should I do? And him and a bunch of other doctors gave me all this like, put you in a group chat.
Andrew's struggling, dies.

Speaker 1 He's like, whoa, hey, Andrew, I just fucking just me and you, dude. He was really sweet.
He was really sweet. Actually, he gave me like a list of things to do.
He gave me these pills I got to take.

Speaker 1 I started taking the pills. He's like, and my, and the doctors I spoke to say the same thing.
They're like, you got to ice your balls every single day. No more sauna, no more baths.

Speaker 1 No more sauna, no more baths. You got to wear baggy underwear so you can't wear like the tight ones.

Speaker 1 Stop smoking and stop drinking. I did that for two months.
My sperm got worse.

Speaker 1 The doctor literally goes, We've never seen this happen before.

Speaker 1 So I was like, What should I do? He goes, You might as well just go back to drinking. I was like, All right, fine.
That's the they've obviously become fucking accustomed to it.

Speaker 1 They've got like Stockholm syndrome in their body. Like, I'm one of those like professional athletes that was like better when you could like drink and like do Coke.
Like the John Daly.

Speaker 1 It's it coming. That's what my sperm is.
My sperm is John Daly. You want him on a fucking case of Bud Lights, and then you're going to see him do 18 holes.
You've never seen anything in your life.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Dude,

Speaker 1 I genuinely think that

Speaker 1 it's one of the most meaningful stand-ups I've ever seen. Well, thank you, man.
I think it's, I watched it again in the car ride here, and I managed to not cry in the back of the car. Oh, that's cool.

Speaker 1 When the Uber driver was in front of me,

Speaker 1 but I didn't manage to hold it together when you did it live. Oh, good.
So I want to ask, how does it feel getting this personal on stage?

Speaker 1 You know, it's presumably one of the most difficult periods, most difficult.

Speaker 1 By far the most difficult time of my life. Just like,

Speaker 1 what's it feel like?

Speaker 1 Cathartic when I started talking about it because it's very isolating when you go through any like fertility stuff. Because the assumption is it's your wife.

Speaker 1 We all, and I talk about in the special, but like that you never assume it could be you at all. So in the beginning, I was like hesitant to talk about it because I didn't want to embarrass her.

Speaker 1 And she was like heartbroken by the whole thing. Like

Speaker 1 she,

Speaker 1 she, you know,

Speaker 1 you like, uh, you start thinking of reasons why your ovaries are fucked up. And her ovaries were perfect, but she didn't know.
And

Speaker 1 she would be like, I know it's because I used to watch like movies on my laptop, on my stomach. And like, she like, she starts coming up with all these solutions as to why she did it.

Speaker 1 And, and, um, I like prayed the night before we got our test results. And I was like, if there is a problem, just make it me.
That's how confident I was that it was her.

Speaker 1 Like, I was so confident. I was like, oh, God.
I got spare fertility that I can take the fucking. I go, do me a favor, God.
Like, just make it. She can't handle this.
And then the doctor tells us,

Speaker 1 God's like, I gotcha.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So, yeah, it was, but it was nice to talk about because it's so isolating.
And then when I found out it was my issue, it was

Speaker 1 then I really felt more comfortable sharing because

Speaker 1 I'm not embarrassing her in any way. You get to own your own issues.
Yeah. And it was the first time in my life I've ever been personal or told stories really on stage.

Speaker 1 Like, I've never been, I always thought my life was boring. I thought that like my opinions on things were more interesting than my actual life.
And

Speaker 1 so I was excited for the challenge of like being personal and being like a storyteller. And

Speaker 1 yeah, I was like, maybe I can turn this into something. I always try to do something different every special I put out.

Speaker 1 And so I started reading all these books about like storytelling and like trying to understand like what that is.

Speaker 1 And it was really cool to learn. You know, it's, it's really our oldest form of digesting information.

Speaker 1 Before we had like a notepad or before we had the ability to just like remember statistics or facts,

Speaker 1 we just told each other stories. There's a reason why like the most important texts are not, hey, this is the information you need to know.
They kind of like build it into a story.

Speaker 1 Hey, this is why you should have faith because look at this outcome. They don't give you like the statistics of the people that pray every single day and this is how long they live.

Speaker 1 It doesn't hit us the same way as, hey, he built the boat and he was the one who lived, you know? And

Speaker 1 yeah, it's interesting. Even like in the special, like there are some joke parts of the special, and then you kind of, I almost like trick you into getting into the story.

Speaker 1 And I can feel a difference when we're in the story in the way that the audience is invested. It is this innate human instinct.

Speaker 1 If somebody comes in the room right now, they go, guys, the craziest shit just happened. We'll give them 15 seconds, even if they're a complete stranger.

Speaker 1 I don't know what that is. You'd probably be able to figure that out.
But, like, there's something about it.

Speaker 1 We're like hardwired to be interested in them, to interested in stories.

Speaker 1 Is it even fair to sort of call it like a comedy special when you get to the stage where you're referring to archive footage and you're sort of interacting with shit that's behind you, and there's entire five-minute blocks where no one's laughing?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 It's like there's, there's a, the way I looked at it is like when I was touring it, I didn't tell anybody that it was about this because I think sometimes what happens when you do like a one-man show, you almost like ask the audience to reduce their comedic expectations.

Speaker 1 Like if somebody's like, here's a one-man show, it's going to be this like thought-provoking thing, and then we'll also kind of be funny, but you're there for the kind of thought-provoking thing.

Speaker 1 And I'm a stand-up, I'm not a one-man show. So

Speaker 1 I didn't, nobody knew this was what it was about the entire tour. And I never positioned it in that way.
I didn't even talk about it on the pod until I announced the special.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I wanted the highest comedic expectations,

Speaker 1 but then I want to see if I could almost like trick you into

Speaker 1 listening to this. So the first like chunk is just like hard-hitting stand-up that is related.
And if you like, go back to it, you're like, oh, okay.

Speaker 1 And then,

Speaker 1 like, this is like little shit that nobody will pick up, but like, even the first joke that I tell

Speaker 1 is

Speaker 1 ties into like the last moment with her, not even the Staten Island thing. Like the first joke I tell about the,

Speaker 1 and I wonder if anybody would pick this up. Like the first joke is about like, you know, we're pregnant.
And then I go, you know, this is what guys always say, we're pregnant or whatever.

Speaker 1 I forget exactly the joke.

Speaker 1 These guys are like, you're pregnant. It's like, no, she's pregnant.
It's like ridiculous to take credit for that. It's like when my wife says, we made a lot of money.
Right.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 it sets up this idea that like, it's not really we. And then when my wife is in like the toughest moment of her life, she says, it's not your fault.
We'll figure it out. We do this together.

Speaker 1 You don't have problems. We have problems.
Exactly. And it's just, I don't know, for me, it's like this cool little, hey, that part that you thought was completely unrelated to this part.

Speaker 1 Everything is a seed that's going to be harvested later. Can you,

Speaker 1 what were the books that you read, if you can recognize? William Storr.

Speaker 1 I think it's just called Story. The Art of Storytelling or The Science of Storytelling.
There's another one, The Science of Storytelling. Maybe that's the William Storr one.
And then there's

Speaker 1 Hero of a Thousand Faces. There's like a bunch of, I bought like cards on Instagram.
Anything I could get my hands on. It was called like storytelling tactics.

Speaker 1 And those weren't that great, but it was like anything I could get my hands on about story. I was just like, I just need to understand what makes it compelling.
What grabs attention?

Speaker 1 What is like a three-arc structure? How is a movie written? And I kind of wrote it like a movie without you knowing.

Speaker 1 And what did you, or what have you come to learn about the most important basics when it comes to telling a good story? I think stakes are really important. Problems are really important.

Speaker 1 It can't be and then.

Speaker 1 It has to be like,

Speaker 1 so we had to do this. And then it's just, I'm telling you another thing.
This problem caused this. But then this happened.
Yes. So you're not just going, here's this series of events.

Speaker 1 Each event has to be a catalyst for the next one.

Speaker 1 This thing pushes, and

Speaker 1 luckily or unluckily, however you look at it, you know, I want to look at it with a positive perspective.

Speaker 1 It's like, you know, this story kind of unfolded in a way that was, you know, kind of traditional in that story. And it worked, you know, it worked out.
God bless. You know, not all the time it does.

Speaker 1 Yeah. There's a good use of omission, which is something I learned from Mr.
Bolin. He's

Speaker 1 a strange, dark, and mysterious, sorry, huge YouTube channel, like 10 million, 15 million person YouTube. My bad, my bad, my bad.
It's all

Speaker 1 scary, spooky story shit that people listen to. And one of the things that he taught me on the pod last year was omission is really important.
Yeah. So

Speaker 1 continuing to set stuff up, but leaving out very key pieces of information which kind of beg the question or get there.

Speaker 1 And, you know, there's things where you could have told a story within 15 seconds, but you can make it interesting for three minutes by not, the payoff is at the very, very end.

Speaker 1 Yeah, holding that attention. Yeah.
Yeah. People want to know, you know,

Speaker 1 or the people who relate to it. I think that's the,

Speaker 1 yeah, the, yeah, the coolest thing about it,

Speaker 1 uh,

Speaker 1 about the tour,

Speaker 1 and I mean, outside of doing fucking arenas and shit, that's awesome. It's like what you dream of.

Speaker 1 Like what I wrote down on little pieces of paper when I first started comedy, but was all these people who had come to the show and they were like going through it. And again, that's really isolating.

Speaker 1 Your best friends are probably going through IVF and they don't tell you.

Speaker 1 The women who are going through it, and if the issue is theirs, you definitely don't talk about it because fertility is this like really volatile subject for women, right?

Speaker 1 Like they're pushing their baby-making time back because they want to do these careers that they've been told that they should do, but some of them don't even really want to do it.

Speaker 1 And there's all these like weird societal expectations that we could get into, which I think is kind of interesting. But

Speaker 1 so if it's their fault, they are like just mortified to have to share. And they feel like there's maybe something wrong with them.
And

Speaker 1 less of a woman. Yeah.
Or less of a man. Yeah, 100%.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 you go through that for a second. I never felt less of a man.
What I thought was,

Speaker 1 did I do something wrong that I'm being punished for? Like, why should I not

Speaker 1 somehow? Yeah, why should I not have kids? Like, why does God not want me to have kids? Like, and I'm not like a religious person, really, but

Speaker 1 we started going to church a bit. I'll tell you how much.
It felt comic. But say what? It felt comic.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I was like, did I do something to deserve this? Because you're trying to justify it, right? You're like, I'm a good person.
I take care of my friends and my family. Like, what the, what is it?

Speaker 1 I think I work hard. I don't think I've mistreated my body that much.
Yeah. So you try to find the justification for it.
And then you got to switch that perspective to like,

Speaker 1 no, shit is hard. Life is hard.
And you could either fold or you could get after it. You know?

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Speaker 1 modern wisdom what's ivf like the process of that it's hard for them it's hard for you like yeah i mean dealing like when they're on my wife reacted pretty crazy to the drugs.

Speaker 1 Like, they, I mean, I talk about the special, but they shoot them up with all the hormones. And, like,

Speaker 1 you know, I didn't, we got into like an argument, like a full-out argument in a Japanese restaurant.

Speaker 1 You don't realize how quiet Japanese restaurants are until like you are full-out arguing, like elbow to elbow in a small New York City Japanese restaurant.

Speaker 1 And the only thing that interrupts it is when a new person walks in and shaman,

Speaker 1 everybody stops, and then we're back to fighting as they're slurping udon. It is a uh, yeah, it's a, yeah, you get into it.
You definitely get into it. But my wife was good.

Speaker 1 She didn't like resent me for it. And she could have, she could have been like, you're the reason why I'm doing this.
And in no way did that come out. So a lot of credit there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the, that line about you don't have problems, we have problems. We're a team and sort of taking on this battle together.
It must be very reassuring. I have a friend whose wife went through IVF.

Speaker 1 She was 42. So she was really toward the end.
And I think you can actually do this where you get to kind of, this is the last harvest of eggs that you have.

Speaker 1 This is a squeezing the very last few drops out of the sort of sponge of fertility. And two stories,

Speaker 1 a lovely woman, very smart, very balanced, one day threw a grapefruit at him so hard that it bruised his ribs

Speaker 1 when she was going through the IVF. And then a couple of days later, she opened the front door and there was 30 Amazon boxes on the front porch.
Yeah. It's like, what the fuck is this?

Speaker 1 And they were all addressed to the house. So it wasn't somebody else's thing.
Brings them inside and starts opening them up and it's like pink lace doilies and and curtain ties and little

Speaker 1 uh coasters and and bit like knickknacks and stuff like dolores umbridge from fucking harry potter yeah

Speaker 1 nicey nicey and um in some hormonal fugue state fever dream thing she'd just gone on amazon and ordered the most literally she like gone got wasted on progesterone yeah and uh just gone crazy on girly shit.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What the fuck is this? Yeah.
It is wild. Yeah, she started nesting, probably.
They do that shit, too, once they're deeper into the pregnancy. How so?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you just start like buying furniture and you start to create your home. I think it's biological.
Like they say this about women, but that's when it's taken. Curating the space.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
It's amazing to see them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know. I hope it's something.
I think pendulums have to swing, obviously. You know, you see it politically and I think you see it culturally.
And

Speaker 1 I hope, yeah, maybe it swings back to the point where we start to value being a mom and like

Speaker 1 only being a mom as a

Speaker 1 societal benefit and not as somebody who's like taking the easy way out. I think that well, someone who's been conned by the patriarchy into being a domestic prostitute somehow.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, sweetie, what a shame for you. Yeah,

Speaker 1 yeah. Yeah, I think a lot of women who never had kids pushed out that ideology.
And it's a, yeah, it's a, yeah, it's a tricky thing. And it is something that's like distinct to

Speaker 1 places like this, like very, I guess you would say, modern places. And keep in mind, like, my mom worked, my dad worked for my mom.
My mom had a dance studio.

Speaker 1 They taught ballroom dance lessons, but it was my mom's studio. And my dad kind of like eventually came in and ran it.
You know, he was a journalist and then he came in.

Speaker 1 And so I'm used to like women working and killing it. And,

Speaker 1 but there is this thing, like my, my wife is like very high performing, you know, like she got her MBA and then she like worked for Apple. She was like running AI projects at Apple.

Speaker 1 And then she was like, she had to like grapple with this thing where it's like, I don't really want to do this. This doesn't make me happy.
I'm kind of doing it because

Speaker 1 society wants me to do this. And I want to prove that I'm just because I'm a woman, it doesn't mean that I have to be this domesticated person and I can go out there.
I can compete with every guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And then she had to just be like, I really want to be a mom.
That's what my dream in life. I've always wanted to be a mom.

Speaker 1 And I would see her when she would bump into into people she used to work with on the street and they would be like, so where are you working now?

Speaker 1 And she'd be like, she would say, oh, I'm, um, yeah, I'm just a mom. And the just would kill me.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's like, you would hope that we could set something up where you're like, I, I, I quit, man.
I, you know, my baby was born. I was able to stay home with the baby.
Actually, I'm a mom now.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
I don't work. I'm a mom now.
Yeah. I do work.
I'm a mom. And, and we're lucky enough that we get to do it.
I got promoted. I got exactly.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I, and I think society should value that. And I think more women will choose that if they can.
It's a luxury. It's a privilege.
Yes.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I think probably Texas values that a little bit more. New York is not very family oriented.
And I was born and raised there, which is an insane thing. But

Speaker 1 you go to New York to make it, you know?

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 yeah, I'd like to see that. I'd like to see that switch up a little bit.
There's a mimetic sense to this, I think, that you kind of do what you see the people around you doing. Oh, brother.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, four people got pregnant during this tour.

Speaker 1 So we got pregnant. We?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm bad. Lord.
Fuck, you did catch me. Yeah.
So, yes, we got pregnant. Both of my openers got pregnant.
Mark? Mark and Derek.

Speaker 1 Derek's wife is now pregnant and are the person who does our visuals and lighting, Rob, who I think you met, Rob, and his wife, Cheryl. They got pregnant with their their second.

Speaker 1 Holy fuck, you're pumping him out. I mean, what does they say?

Speaker 1 There's some like, you know, biblical term about like the power of the tongue, but it is the community that you keep and like, and you're seeing this thing happening. So crazy to see.
Four of us,

Speaker 1 everybody on the topic. The dominoes fell.
Isn't that nuts?

Speaker 1 So, yeah, it was just this beautiful,

Speaker 1 yeah, it was a beautiful, beautiful thing to see it happen. Yeah, I

Speaker 1 do wonder what can be done to kind of pedestalize motherhood again. I think it will happen naturally.

Speaker 1 Like, I think a lot of times, like, we see things that we think are like wrong societally, and then we try to like push that, you know, progress or regress, whatever it is. Like, speedrun it back to.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And you kind of can't.

Speaker 1 This guy, Lil Duval, is like a huge mentor of mine comedically. Like, he would always speak about this.

Speaker 1 I mean, he's just like a brilliant philosopher that you wouldn't realize, but he's just, he's so brilliant. And, um, but he would always say this is like, you can't push people into things.

Speaker 1 They have to learn on their own and then react to the errors of their ways, if it is even an error.

Speaker 1 But we're reactive, you know, and it's just like, like even politically, like what's happening right now, it's just reaction. You know, like this election is reaction.

Speaker 1 It's no, it's not going on podcasts. Everybody's like, oh, he went on

Speaker 1 your guys and Theo and Rogan and that's what changed the election. It's like, we didn't have zero impact on the election.
Zero.

Speaker 1 Everybody had already decided and it might have made them feel more comfortable with their decision. But I think that those decisions are made way before.
And it's just society reaction.

Speaker 1 Everybody thinks that like every person that voted for Trump is this like ride or die Trump guy. I think they're actually, the majority of people were

Speaker 1 rejecting a

Speaker 1 societal push in a direction that they didn't feel comfortable with.

Speaker 1 And I, yeah, I think that's. It's a lot of it is a protest vote.
Yeah. Against.
It's not, I'm not voting for this thing. I'm voting not for that thing.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I think that's what happened with Trump when he lost, right? It was like, oh, this is too chaotic. I don't want to deal with this shit anymore.
Give me the old guy.

Speaker 1 And it's like, it was a vote against Trump. No, it was like for Biden.
And I think like the administration, you could combo, it doesn't matter. Everybody's like, all right, this is too much.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't, I'm not feeling comfortable with my, with my life right now. Let's try something else.
So, yeah, I think it was the protest. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think that was one of the reasons that your special, again, when I saw it last year and then again now, was really important to give people something that feels a bit more grounded and real and meaningful and within their control as opposed to coming out and going, you know, Zelensky Trump was the amber heard Johnny Depp of fucking 2025, which, by the way, I think is actually true.

Speaker 1 Like, that really should have fucking been done behind closed doors. Like, why are the why are the press there watching this bullshit? Well, they didn't think that's what was going to happen.

Speaker 1 They thought it was going to be a big announcement for a mineral deal. Blah, blah, blah.
Yeah, and then it didn't go that way. And I think that,

Speaker 1 yeah, that's my assumption at least. I don't think Trump would ever put something out there where it could potentially look foolish, right? Like if it didn't account for the wild card that is JD Vans.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't even think it was JD. I think Zelensky was just like,

Speaker 1 he should have just never agreed to it. He's like, hey, I don't like this deal.
So let's not get in front of the cameras and do it.

Speaker 1 And I liked JD going, why are we litigating this in front of the American public? Like that felt a little subversive. And I could see like a negative reaction on it.
Like, we're here to have a hurrah.

Speaker 1 Let's high five moment. And this turned into not that.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 maybe let's not do it here. Yeah.
And JD, JD, you got, hey, watch out for that motherfucker, yo. He's going to be around for a while.

Speaker 1 Yo, it's like, I don't even, again, I don't react to like people based on their political leaning. Like, I don't really care about that.
Like, culture is way more interesting to me.

Speaker 1 I don't like jumping on a side with these things. I understand that like people who don't know me at all and are like, this guy's some fucking right-wing MAGA lunatic.

Speaker 1 It's like, yeah, I don't, I have empathy for even thinking that. Like, you just see headlines, you see some crazy joke I told.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm totally, i'm totally fine i understand the world we live in right

Speaker 1 but

Speaker 1 for me like i just kind of look at like people and ideas and i try to react to how what public sentiment is to that like i'm always reacting to feeling i don't really react to a specific event and i'm not trying to like explain logically the event like i'm more interested in like the emotional reaction of things so like when mangioni shot the dude and then the internet kind of didn't really feel that bad.

Speaker 1 They were like joking around about it. I'm like, oh, this is like rich people, you got to pay attention to this because they don't care about y'all anymore.

Speaker 1 Like any one of y'all could get killed and it would be fine. And if you're the billionaire class, you got to be very aware that your life is not valued by the rest of us.
That's a, and

Speaker 1 I'd imagine very rich people, if we're going to look at this into like in a microcosm, I imagine they,

Speaker 1 let's just assume, I don't think they're bad, by the way, but let's just assume that they want as much money as they possibly can.

Speaker 1 This is like an unfair assumption, but let's just play with this little thought experiment.

Speaker 1 You also want comfort. You want as much money as you can get, but you also want comfort, right?

Speaker 1 So like if you're living in some third world country and you're like the richest person there, it's not really comfortable because you know at any point in time, these people in fucking sandals could storm your house and they take out the five security guards and then they kidnap your whole family.

Speaker 1 It's not comfortable. One of the nice things about America is like being rich is comfortable, right? The first world, like being rich, you can be comfortable.

Speaker 1 You don't have to worry about like your kid getting kidnapped. Like fucking Canelo Alvarez, I think his brother got kidnapped like the week of his fight once and nobody knew it.

Speaker 1 And it was just like a normal thing that happens. He's the box.
It's just a Tuesday. It's like getting your flight delayed.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And he had to like work out the fucking payments like days before the fight. So this is a normal thing that you have to accept.

Speaker 1 So in order to make sure your life is comfortable, you have to make sure that the poorest people have enough to eat and get a roof over their head and provide provide for their family.

Speaker 1 They probably don't need that much more. There's a lot of interesting distraction that goes on in America.
There's a lot of things that they can take part in.

Speaker 1 They're like beautiful and amazing and it will pacify. But the second they go below, I can't feed myself, and they have no hope of upward mobility, they'll kill you.

Speaker 1 And then when someone else kills you, they'll laugh about it and they'll be like, good. So when I saw that, I was like, wow, Americans are very disillusioned.

Speaker 1 I knew that they were disillusioned with like, like, you know, institutions.

Speaker 1 I knew that there was issues, obviously, with the medical, you know, industrial complex or whatever these terms they start building up. But that right there, that is a point of concern.

Speaker 1 And if you're the really wealthy, you either got to beef up security or you got to be talking to Donald and you got to be talking to these senators and go, we need to do something for these people.

Speaker 1 Eggs got to be affordable.

Speaker 1 You're squeezing them right now. And you can only squeeze them so far before you get the French Revolution.

Speaker 1 You know, you can't, you can't be like, all right, well, they don't got bread, give them cake or whatever that lady said.

Speaker 1 Meat, fucking eggs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was really, really surprised by that. As someone who

Speaker 1 I didn't have any health insurance in the U.S. until the start of last year, because I didn't have a social security number and pages to get it set up and blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1 And I didn't know how many medical claims aren't verified or accepted or rejected. I didn't know how long it got pushed back for, how long people have to wait.

Speaker 1 Well, you can't go to that provider, the one that you want, you've got to go to the one that we say, and then you can't do this, and it's going to take six months, and it's so on and so forth.

Speaker 1 And then you get to the end of this thing, and sorry, you're out of pocket. The number one reason for bankruptcy in America is medical

Speaker 1 debt. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 dude, you see the same reaction to those California fires. The second people started to hear it was like celebs' houses.
They're like, I'll figure it out. Like, they didn't really care.

Speaker 1 Like, Californians were really concerned about it. Outside of California, the sentiment was kind of like, eh, you guys will be all right.
If not outright applause.

Speaker 1 And you got to pay attention to that culture. Like these are the things that if you're a politician, you really got to listen to.

Speaker 1 And I feel like, I feel like that's what the Dems, and I'm a lifelong, I come from a dance family in New York City. Like, what do you think my political leanings have been my entire life?

Speaker 1 I grew up in the arts going to ballet, a dance family in New York City, right? So you got to look at this. Like Dems got to look at this and they got to start going, okay, what are we missing here?

Speaker 1 We're not listening to the people.

Speaker 1 I think sometimes there can be a little bit of a pretentiousness with the Dems, like where they're like, because the party is kind of ruled by these Ivy League elites that, you know, pat themselves on the back for like caring about the oppressed and the ostracized.

Speaker 1 And they're so detached from them that they're just like, we know what you guys need, so we'll do it. And look, look, we're doing it.
Right. There's this pat on the back.

Speaker 1 And I mean, like,

Speaker 1 you, they, they literally need to look at Bernie.

Speaker 1 You like her politics or not, but AOC. Like, AOC, if you want to to look at data, like she, I think, polled the same as Trump in her district.
Now, why is that? Those are polar opposites.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 It wouldn't surprise me if we see the pendulum swinging back. I can already see some of the anti-woke stuff that was like super cool for the last eight years, something like that.
Yeah, it's over.

Speaker 1 So woke was over for a little while, but anti-woke was lagging behind it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And now when I see this crazy bathroom pronoun-y thing online, it just feels like, dude, this was maybe how much are eggs, yo?

Speaker 1 This was maybe interesting and cool when you were speaking truth to power as a rebellious anarchist that was outside of the system.

Speaker 1 But now you're inside the tent pissing out. Sure, there's one thing about the inside of tent, but most people aren't even in the tent.
Caring about your bathroom experience is way later

Speaker 1 after I could afford eggs. Do you know what I mean? Like, if I can't afford eggs, I don't care where you go to the bathroom.
I don't care what your pronoun is. Like, I don't care.

Speaker 1 Like, those things don't matter to me. If you got a house or you're a fucking fourth-generation Nepo baby from like a this like incredibly wealthy family, of course, your life is so good.

Speaker 1 I should figure out how I can make all these, you know, ostracized groups comfortable. But somebody that can't afford eggs and is about to default on their loan, loan, forget it.

Speaker 1 They can't even pay their rent. Owning a home is like a completely different.

Speaker 1 they don't care. Like, even right now, everybody's like, oh, the economy's tanking.
What's going on? Okay.

Speaker 1 Housing prices are going to come down and then the stock market's going down, right? Do you think that Trump's supporters have money invested in the stock market? Do you think they own homes?

Speaker 1 It's the LA fires again.

Speaker 1 They're just watching rich people lose some of their rich. They don't give a fuck.
Do you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 Like, so, so you have to be like really tuned in to how how people are emotionally reacting to this stimulus.

Speaker 1 And I think that's, to me, the advice that I try to give Dems is like, you make it a class issue and you win every single time. There's a reason why people fuck with Bernie Sanders and AOC for that.

Speaker 1 He cuts across all of the other groups. Yo, he's saying rich people got a lot of money.
You don't got a lot of money. We need to get you money.
The only way to get it to you is by taking him from.

Speaker 1 It doesn't matter about who you're having sex with. It doesn't matter about the color of your skin.
A, make it a class issue.

Speaker 1 The reason they don't is because a lot of them are in bed with these billion dollar corporations. So they can't make it a class issue because the people paying them are that high class.

Speaker 1 So they're like,

Speaker 1 trans,

Speaker 1 bathrooms. They have to make it about these identity politics issues because they can't target the real fucking issue, which is

Speaker 1 huge wealth inequality in America. I don't know how to solve it.
I'm not smart enough to figure that shit out, but I do know what the problem is and what exists and what resonates with people.

Speaker 1 And that's AOC. She, you like her politics or not, doesn't fucking matter.
Every day she's going, hey, them rich people are trying to fuck you. Amazon's trying to not pay you.

Speaker 1 And the people in her neighborhood, the people who are voting for her, going, I do feel like she's trying to help me out.

Speaker 1 And they also feel Trump is trying to help her out. So where is that Venn diagram hitting?

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Speaker 1 You did a bunch of shows in the UK. Oh, yeah, I was on this last tour.
Talk to me about what you learned, differences, similarities, UK, US.

Speaker 1 Similarities, like, oh, you know, it was really interesting to find out like how like culturally distinct the little little towns in England are. That's really cool.

Speaker 1 Like to know that like Liverpool and Manchester are 30 minutes apart, but they're two completely different like ethnic groups.

Speaker 1 So to me, like going to the UK, I think a lot of times we just treat white people as a monolith. And the UK is a perfect example of like why you can't even do that in a tiny little country.

Speaker 1 And these like little idiosyncrasies of these

Speaker 1 two cities that are 30 minutes away from one another. And they don't sound anything alike.
Different lifestyles. It's crazy.
Different football teams. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it's, so to me, that was really exciting going into these little places. And whenever I go into a place, I, I just really like, I'm, I don't know, I'm curious.

Speaker 1 You know, my dad was a really curious guy. And I, I always want to learn a little bit about something and like try to write some jokes that reflect that.
And

Speaker 1 maybe for a few minutes in the set, they get to feel really seen or kind of recognized by someone they might not think would do that. And,

Speaker 1 but yeah, I love that. You know, going to Scotland was awesome.
My mom was born and raised in Scotland. So doing that show there was really great.
But you do the Hydro, Glasgow? Yeah. Is it the Hydro?

Speaker 1 SSE?

Speaker 1 It looks like a armadillo. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that's the hydro. Yeah, yeah.
And

Speaker 1 also just the way that they react to stand-up. Like,

Speaker 1 like with the Scotland show, I could have just talked to them for three hours. Like they just wanted to be in the room and like telling stories like on some bonfire shit.

Speaker 1 And it was like I. I'm just happy you're there.
You know, it's it's fucking miles away from everything. It is that.

Speaker 1 But there's also like this, I think there's like a cultural sentiment. It's like, it's, and I think you also get another place.

Speaker 1 There's this like pub culture where we're all hanging and here's this thing and I'm going to share with you and you guys are involved and there's going to be some quip and we're going to have, I also think there's a little catharsis for them because like it's a little bit more censored out there.

Speaker 1 So then when I come and I'm saying these jokes that are kind of wild,

Speaker 1 they get to have this experience that's kind of more similar to their everyday lives. Like there's a public persona you have to put on.

Speaker 1 And then when you're at the bar with your boys, there's a very different version of you. So now they're in public, but they get that same version.
So I think that was cool. Ireland was just great.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was awesome, man. I will say that the Middle East was more

Speaker 1 aware of American culture, though, than the UK.

Speaker 1 That's interesting. Yeah.
Why do you think that is?

Speaker 1 I think that they're all educated here.

Speaker 1 And because of that, they're acutely aware of our stuff, and also all their TV and stuff comes from here because they're not producing their own. You guys are producing your own shit, right?

Speaker 1 Like, you have all your own TV shows, you love Island, like everybody knows these like things that you don't really know about are real housewives of fucking Utah or whatever.

Speaker 1 But in the Middle East, they're getting all of our shit because they're not producing a lot of their own shit yet. Well, you don't know what's going on actually in the Middle East.

Speaker 1 That's fucking exactly. We need to not look into that at all.
Yes, give me housewives, yeah, yeah. So, so so that was, that was really fun, too.
Yeah, it was great, man. It was great.

Speaker 1 James, the other half of Newtonic, went to go into the middle of the moment. I love James, man.
James is fun. Australia.
And he was like... They just had a baby, didn't they? Yep.
Yeah. Congrats.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's holding it down.

Speaker 1 He did fucking 15 minutes on Aussie shit. It's like, where the fuck did he get 15 minutes on Aussie shit? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That Aussie run was fun.

Speaker 1 Usually I'm only in town for a day, but I got to be in Australia for like a, almost like a couple of weeks. So by the time I got to, I think it was Sydney, I had kind of worked out some stuff.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like I was like, oh, I got a nice little chunk. And that was,

Speaker 1 yeah, that was, that was really cool. And it's a cool thing to give them.
You know, it's, I think a lot of, I guess a lot, I think a lot of connectors can go to wherever and just do their set.

Speaker 1 And I have my set, but it's also a nice thing to go to like a completely different country and like tap into little specific things there. Was there anywhere that you went? How many dates do you do?

Speaker 1 Oh, God, I don't know. So much.
I was on tour for two years. I was probably developing it for this whole process was probably three years in the making from like building the hour and then touring it.

Speaker 1 And yeah. Was there anywhere that sort of sticks out in your mind as being holy fuck, the reaction sort of emotionally?

Speaker 1 MSG was the craziest. That just felt like the whole city was rooting for me.
And which is like the greatest honor.

Speaker 1 It's like, if there's one thing I identify as is a New Yorker, like I'd probably identify that as before,

Speaker 1 before having a kid, I identified that as before anything before being like a woman

Speaker 1 i yeah before i'm american i'm a new yorker like so just to see the whole city like excited for me it was like one of us did it like i don't even know how many new yorkers have done msg you know and so hometown hero yeah it just felt like i did something good for the city and i'm so i just love new york like i i'm even annoyed now there's like this push about like the liberal cities are falling apart it's like none of you want to live anywhere else shut up you shut up like i know you moved to austin but come on.

Speaker 1 You don't want to be here. Like, you know what I mean? It's okay.
It's, it's okay. Like, I tell people, like, it was like, Austin's so amazing.
I go, okay, stop. Do you want to be a stand-up comedian?

Speaker 1 Okay, yeah, move to Austin. The opportunities for you, like Rogue and Kill Tony, all these things where you see young comics exploding are here.
I get it.

Speaker 1 But like, you're not moving here for this like rich cultural experience. You know what I mean? There's like two restaurants.
Everybody says, yeah, the food is so good.

Speaker 1 It's like, yeah, because you are from Montana.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Like, you have a fucking PF Changs, and then you move here and you go to Uchi and you're like, oh, wow, this is fucking good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's 17 Uchis in a three-block radius in New York. Like, why are we even having this conversation? So it's, I think that the coastal cities need to get back to our elitism a little bit.

Speaker 1 I think we're a little like sad or like insecure or something like that right now. And it's just like, all right, good.
There's still some hangover from COVID, I think. Of course.

Speaker 1 New York and LA put both of their feet inside of their mouths for fucking two years straight. Horse.
Of course. And it was bad and it sucked the way they handled it.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 And it's a very different thing to handle, obviously, when you're living on top of each other and you're all going on subways together. It's evidence.
It's just a different problem to solve.

Speaker 1 Like everybody lives in their own house and you live a mile away from each other. Yeah, you can make shit a little bit less restrictive.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 But when you live in an apartment building, you need some fucking rules. You know what I mean? Like the Puerto Ricans got to turn the music off at 10.
That's a rule. That's government overreach.

Speaker 1 And I'm happy about it. And you don't understand it because you don't have an entire Puerto Rican family above you blasting Bad Bunny at fucking 11 o'clock while your baby's trying to go to sleep.

Speaker 1 So there's certain things where you start to appreciate government overreach and where they come from. And then there's some where you're like, okay, this is ridiculous.

Speaker 1 I can't renovate my home without going to 15 different government agencies to get permission to put a mirror in my bathroom. It gets a little ridiculous.

Speaker 1 But in terms of like the great established cities in America, like like, what are we even talking about? Like, if

Speaker 1 the tax rates were the same in Austin as they were in New York, none of y'all would live here. So stop acting like like this is this amazing play.
It's like, you want to save money.

Speaker 1 You're millionaires. I get it.
It's millions of dollars. I get it.
And none of you are like from New York, so you don't have any connection to it.

Speaker 1 But like to get me to move out of New York, do you know the deal I would have to sign? And I would do it if it was the right number. But like, it's a tax-saving thing.

Speaker 1 Just say you're saving money. That's my thing.
Like, and save the money. Do it.
But don't give me this shit about, oh, the city is so amazing. Your plane couldn't even land because of the wind.

Speaker 1 What is that?

Speaker 1 Fucking Wizard of Oz?

Speaker 1 What are we talking about? You know what I mean? I'm eating a salad today. A tomato flew off the salad, hit me in the chest.
And I'm like, this is a city? Like, people choose to live here?

Speaker 1 The wind is taking tomatoes off of my plate, right? So

Speaker 1 let's just have an honest assessment of what's going on here. Will you pay 12% more to not live here? I will.

Speaker 1 But I'm from New York and I love it.

Speaker 1 If you're from another city and you just went to New York to make it and it looks like there's more opportunities here, then fucking move here. Were you crazy? Why would you not do that?

Speaker 1 I think you need a very particular type of nervous system to live in New York.

Speaker 1 You need to be okay with chaos at all times. Like there doesn't seem to be much.
And I guess you can be in different areas. New York is not just one thing, right?

Speaker 1 You can go fucking like upstate and whatever. But if you're talking anywhere around Manhattan, it's like you need to be able, you're in cocaine, first line cocaine energy at all times.
All times.

Speaker 1 I mean, yeah. I'm just, I'm used to chaos.
Chaos is comforting to me. I get more comfortable the more chaotic is.
I asked Samurill about this and he said,

Speaker 1 what was it? That you can walk down the street, bump into somebody and think to yourself, I hope that guy dies. But later that night, you think to yourself, good day.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 that's funny. That's funny.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's shout out to Sam, man. Yeah, that is,

Speaker 1 yeah, there is just a unique energy. It's,

Speaker 1 and I guess you, I think growing up with it obviously makes it much easier. to handle.
I think it's probably daunting for people to move there.

Speaker 1 And that's why I say, like, you shouldn't move there unless you want to make it. It doesn't matter what you want to make it in.
You want to make it in finance? Okay, do that.

Speaker 1 You want to make it in, you know, you want to be a doctor, whatever the fuck you want to do, do it. But like,

Speaker 1 just moving there for comfort is a stupid thing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're going to spend tons of money and you're not going to be comfortable. There's no comfort.
It's not comfort. But there is opportunity.
It's opportunity. And you'll be the greatest at what you do.

Speaker 1 It's like the greatest of what they do come from there. Simple as that.

Speaker 1 Well, you have to be in order to survive, or else you just get chewed up and you're not the greatest unless you've lived in New York.

Speaker 1 Nobody who's the greatest at what they do in America has not spent time in New York. And you could say anything.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm just trying to think anything. Like, who, just, let's say it, like, whatever.
Any comedian, they lived in New York. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 They lived in New York. Anyone that is the greatest lived in New York.

Speaker 1 You got to pass through. You got to pay, because if you want to be the best, you got to be with the best.
And that's where they are. Any banker, you lived in New York.

Speaker 1 Any chef, you lived in new york it's a right rite of passage you gotta it's it's not even like how how do we even know you're that good unless you can do it here like if you can make it here you make it anyway that's that's a real statement yeah the the energy of new york kind of reminds me of what the news feels like at the moment it's like unrelenting and uh i was talking to segura about this that

Speaker 1 it's been what two months now less than two months trump's been in office yeah and i've already got such fucking news and like trump fatigue I thought we were over this shit. It's so exhausting.

Speaker 1 I thought this time around people would be like, okay, whatever.

Speaker 1 But no, it's getting really, really like, I just, I can't, I'm checking out so much. And I'm aware this is a position of privilege.
Not need to care about what politics is impacting your life.

Speaker 1 Like, in some ways, maybe not needing to listen to the news, but

Speaker 1 once you have kids, bro, none of this, you don't care.

Speaker 1 You, you care about like big ticket things that could affect them, but your life becomes so small. That's the other thing.
It's like people aren't having kids until like later.

Speaker 1 So that's why you get all these people that are like really active on the internet because they're just bored. They have nothing to do.
They want to like feel part of something.

Speaker 1 They want to make change. They don't realize it, right? This is like something that's happening internally, but like everything just feels like the biggest deal.
Once you like,

Speaker 1 you don't see like a mom with three kids at like a protest during the week. Do you know what I mean? Like she's trying to get them to nap.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 You never see a mom with mayonnaise on her sweater at some fucking random protest for Tesla. How have you changed since you've become a dad?

Speaker 1 Just the outside stuff doesn't matter as much. Like, I just care about like how my wife, my, my, my daughter, my, I have, think about me.

Speaker 1 Like, if my wife and my daughter are happy with me, like if my daughter's happy with me, I can even deal with my wife being pissed. Like, and then, you know, everything just gets a little bit smaller.

Speaker 1 You, you're, you know, it's like, um,

Speaker 1 yeah, it's just amazing. It's like the only thing you think about all day, pretty much, you know?

Speaker 1 Yeah, just that little, you know, that little, little girl.

Speaker 1 And it's just really awesome. And you've become like a real person.
I'm not saying you're not a real person, but like, you just, there's a difference.

Speaker 1 Like, once you have a family, like, you are invested in the world in a way different way. And you become like a real human being.

Speaker 1 Like, even on stage, the second I mention that I have a kid, like, my relation to the audience is completely different.

Speaker 1 I'm not just some asshole with a fucking part in my hair, like, talking shit about all these things. Like, everything actually impacts me.
Publicly masturbating. Look at how great I am.

Speaker 1 What an asshole. What an asshole to do that.
But now that I have a kid and like, anytime I bring up some trans shit or some vaccine shit, it's like, no, I have an actual reason to do that.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Like this

Speaker 1 back in the game beyond just my own sense of being important. Exactly.
You know, so it's a beautiful thing. Like, I think it brings out like the best version of people.

Speaker 1 I see the best version of people with their kids. I've got this theory that

Speaker 1 because people are having kids later, especially guys, that

Speaker 1 a lot of the stuff that people invest themselves into, the personal development, the self-growth,

Speaker 1 the business,

Speaker 1 the muscle gain, all of that stuff.

Speaker 1 A lot of those projects are surrogate families because you haven't had one yet. Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 And all of the energy that would be put into protect baby, protect wife, or protect baby, protect husband, like do the thing, homemaking is, well, I don't have that, but I've still got this sort of sense to be agentic and make something happen in the world.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But I.
I don't have the thing. I don't have a little thing.

Speaker 1 So I'm going to put it into a business or I'm going to put it into a side project or into my body or into my mindfulness or into my political party or whatever it might be which is great like especially where you're putting it into your body i think that's great like i love the longevity stuff you know if you have a kid you want to live longer you know naturally um

Speaker 1 yeah i i like i like that but i think that you're right because there's no way that like my wife would be like hey could you change the kid's diaper and i'd be like i have two minutes left in my ice bath I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 You know, I need my ice bath for the next two minutes. You'll have to change the diaper.
Like that doesn't doesn't exist, you know. So, you have to, you have to manipulate and change your life.

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Speaker 1 Did you find that

Speaker 1 some of the more egotistical or like self-centered concerns that you had and things that you used to sort of worry yourself with dropped away?

Speaker 1 Was it almost like you sort of cleansed yourself of that because you've got something that is so dependent on you that worrying about have I optimized my ice bath?

Speaker 1 Have I, where am I at with such and such? It's like all of that fluff gets stripped back because you're just looking after the kid.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like I would say like any kind of longevity stuff is just so I can play paddle. Do you know paddle?

Speaker 1 The sport yeah like so like anything about me like i go to like pt and i do all this up but it is just so i can continue playing this one thing which is like a beautiful moment of distraction that takes me away from the the lovely anxiety of you know bringing a human being into this world you know but yeah it's yeah i yeah there's this thing and also like every single day you feel purposeful that's the other thing about having a kid that you don't realize it's like uh

Speaker 1 You feel proud of yourself by like three.

Speaker 1 You know, like when you don't have a kid and it's like a weekend and you're like partied the night before and you're just like hungover and shit.

Speaker 1 And like you partied the night before and then you have a kid and you're up and taking care of it. By like noon, you're like, I'm the man.
Like I should party some people. Happy line.
Yeah. Like

Speaker 1 there isn't this like guilt and shame that you put on yourself. Like, what am I doing in my life? Why am I going to be able to do that?

Speaker 1 I just under the need to always be creating stuff in the world because you've. already done the creation thing.
Yeah. Like I probably drink way more now, but I'm looking after my kids.

Speaker 1 So I'm like, I'm a responsible human being. Like this is or a functioning alcoholic.
Yeah, whatever it is, you know, but yeah, no, it's, it's cool, man. Do you want them? I can't wait to be a dad.

Speaker 1 And absolutely, you can't wait to be a dad. What's your process with that? Like, how is it hard to meet people? Like, you're obviously, you know, successful, handsome guy, charming, smart.

Speaker 1 Like, do you find it difficult to connect with the women?

Speaker 1 It's weird dating when you're a little bit older. Like, I'm 37.
I was 57 last week. And that's an interesting one because the longer that you wait, the kind of higher that your bar gets.

Speaker 1 And it's this sort of sunk cost fallacy thing where you think, well, I've waited this long.

Speaker 1 What's the point? You know, things

Speaker 1 at all. Yeah, the things have to become more perfect, which, you know, in itself is a difficult circle to square because you also know, well, fucking clock's ticking, dude.
Well, hurry up.

Speaker 1 Think about that. So the older you get,

Speaker 1 the higher your bar is.

Speaker 1 And the older a woman gets,

Speaker 1 the lower her bar is. Because she's running out of time.
So it puts you guys in very difficult situations, right?

Speaker 1 And there's this crazy societal expectation like women's moms really put on women, like get, you got to get married.

Speaker 1 Like the second they're fucking 11, they're like, you got to get married, you got to have kids, you got to like this pressure, pressure, pressure. So I think women are.

Speaker 1 I think women's greatest fear is being alone, not being with the wrong person. And our greatest fear is being with the wrong person.

Speaker 1 Like I didn't meet my wife until late for the same reason i was like i don't want to settle i don't want to be with somebody you know like i figured out more or less how to like date and like i i figured out like kind of like what that person wanted and i can kind of like be that version of that but it didn't make me happy right which i imagine you've probably gone through in your life like you know you probably had tons of different girls you're like oh this girl needs a listener oh this girl needs this and but you're not being you so you're not going to connect with that person But the tricky thing is that women, because they're so afraid of being alone, I think a lot of them, they end up being with guys they don't really like.

Speaker 1 And that's what I think this like ick red flag culture is. Have you heard of women all on the internet talking about their icks and their red flags?

Speaker 1 When you're with someone you don't like, everything about them is irritating.

Speaker 1 So you don't actually have the ick.

Speaker 1 You're not, there aren't actually red flags. Oh, I don't like a guy when it's raining, he raises his shoulders.
You know, I don't like a guy who like yawns without his hand in his mouth.

Speaker 1 Like these stupid things that really would never impact how a girl feels about you.

Speaker 1 You just hate the guy you're with, but you're terrified of being alone. Because if you liked a guy, that would be cute.
Everything we do is cute.

Speaker 1 The amount of like my wife watches me pick my nose, ball up the booger, and just flick it out of the playpen because I'm playing with my daughter. And she's just like, that was disgusting.

Speaker 1 And it's fine. It doesn't impact how much she loves me at all.
I'm farting left and white. I'm doing all these disgusting red flag ick things, but she loves me.
So it it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? And I think that, I think that, yeah, like

Speaker 1 I never understood this like ick red flag culture. I was like, are women just like annoyed with this? What the fuck is going on? No, they don't want to be alone.

Speaker 1 And they're with guys they do not fucking like.

Speaker 1 It's a big, it's a huge issue. Well, there's a problem.
Someone gave me this piece of advice not long ago as they said, do you want to be a dad? And I said, yes, I can't wait to be a dad.

Speaker 1 They sort of waggled their finger in my face and they said, make sure that you fall in love love with the girl, not the institution.

Speaker 1 And the point being, if you want to be a dad, or if you want to be a mom, a lot, great advice, you can, what was it they said? Uh, with rose-colored glasses on, red flags don't look red.

Speaker 1 Like, if you just want the thing, yep, I want to be a dad, I want to be a mom, I want to be married, I want to be not alone, whatever the thing that you want, you're able to,

Speaker 1 not so big of a deal. And it's like, you're not getting married to marriage, you're getting married to a person.

Speaker 1 Yep, you're not having a baby with the process of childhood, you're having a baby with another human. That's a great piece of advice, dude.
That is like,

Speaker 1 yeah, that's magnificent. And it's so true.
You got to find that connection with that person where even if you didn't have kids, you would be happy. You just love that person.

Speaker 1 And then kids are these blessings because that irritation will build. I'm sure you've dated people that like you thought you liked in the beginning and then eventually it wasn't there.

Speaker 1 And it's just like every little thing drove you fucking crazy.

Speaker 1 And that we hopefully at that point we start going, I don't want to be with you. Or Or we just treat them shitty, which is the worst version of it.

Speaker 1 Hoping that they'll like,

Speaker 1 it's the equivalent of you can't fire me, I quit. But it's trying to get the other person to realize that.
I'm not going to fire you. I'm going to make you quit.
I'm going to be a coward.

Speaker 1 That's, yeah.

Speaker 1 I had a conversation with a friend a little while ago. And

Speaker 1 he had this sentence where he said,

Speaker 1 all my life, I was worried that I was a coward. And then he had a bunch of a sequence of really, really tough events happen to him.

Speaker 1 And he said, you know, I always like surrounded myself with hard men. I always thought I was a bit of a hard man.

Speaker 1 And, you know, I did martial arts and, you know, I was like around people that were ex like special forces and stuff like that. It's like, but I never really, really tested myself.

Speaker 1 And then one day, like the world came and I, it wasn't discomfort that I'd chosen. It was discomfort that was forced on me by the world.
Maybe like having a fertility

Speaker 1 or whatever. And he said, all my life I'd heard my better self clearing his throat in the room next door.

Speaker 1 And one day this thing happened and he was like, I wonder if he's going to kick the door in and fucking stop coughing and come through. He was like, he did.
That's good.

Speaker 1 And, but courage, yeah, I think you can pretty much

Speaker 1 like life, your life is kind of restricted by the amount of courage that you're prepared to deploy. And I mean, how many, how long have

Speaker 1 everybody listening to this stayed in relationships because they were terrified of breaking somebody else's heart that was dependent on them or losing the love of somebody that they felt it was unrequited and they needed the validation of?

Speaker 1 And you're like, it's

Speaker 1 noble and understandable and sensitive and largely driven by fear and cowardice.

Speaker 1 And if you had, like, you know, a cool question to ask yourself would be, what would I do if I had three times the bravery? Like, what would I do?

Speaker 1 Yeah. What decisions would I make? Yeah.
If I was like three times as brave as I am. Yeah.
Well, yeah, a lot of times we think that

Speaker 1 it's not a lack of bravery, but it's a, it's a, it's too much compassion.

Speaker 1 You know, like breaking up with this person would be too hurtful for them. And we don't realize that like being with them when you don't like them is actually way more hurtful.

Speaker 1 And we don't even realize it's this bravery deficit. We're like, I'm too, I'm too nice.
I'm just too nice. I don't want to hurt her.
Yeah, you're being, yeah, you're being a pussy.

Speaker 1 And we've all been pussies. I've been pussy tons of fucking times.
And then we'll like retrofit justifications. We're like, no, man, it's about being loyal and committing to something.

Speaker 1 It's like, yeah, you do that when you find the right girl. When you find the right girl, you commit to it and you work everything out.
And that is another thing, too. It's like marriages,

Speaker 1 you look at them in movies and shit like that, and you think it's just, oh, this is just going to be super sweet and perfect and every single thing. No, no, it's fucking hard.

Speaker 1 When you do it with the right person, you're willing to work through all those difficult times. And then you get confidence in your ability to work through difficult shit.

Speaker 1 You two against the hard, not you two against each other. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What changes in a relationship or sort of what have you noticed about stuff that's interesting to navigate once there's a third participant? So like there's this part of you that

Speaker 1 you want your kid to know how loved they are. Like I don't ever want my daughter to even understand what it is to be like adored because it's so normal.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Like I like my friend.

Speaker 1 So my friend Jamil, like he reminded me this recently. Like my dad was just the best.
He was just the fuck he was at every single basketball game, whatever. And he goes.

Speaker 1 And he was like, it was almost like a surrogate dad to a lot of my friends, you know, like he was just like. He had so much dad energy that he had it spilling over around the cup.
Loved it.

Speaker 1 He just loved it. Like, he was just whatever they needed.
Like, I remember one of my boys got into like trouble and some gang shit.

Speaker 1 And, like, my dad, I was like, yeah, I think he can't leave his house. Like, they're like, there's this gang that's kind of like after him or whatever.
And, um,

Speaker 1 and, uh, and I was like, yeah, we got to help him out. And my dad was like, well, yeah, why don't we just go get the car and go pick him up?

Speaker 1 And I was like, are you sure you feel comfortable doing that? He's like, yeah. So we like drive a Toyota Cienna minivan into the fucking heart of the Bronx.

Speaker 1 And we're like picking up my boy so he doesn't get murdered by this gang. And it's just the type of, like, he didn't even think twice about it.
Like it's just kind of who he is. And

Speaker 1 so you've, there's all this focus on like, okay, I want her to feel loved. I want her to feel supported.
I want anytime she shows excitement around me, I want that to be met.

Speaker 1 I don't want her to feel like ignored. And

Speaker 1 I notice, so I'll like call my wife to FaceTime like and around the baby's naps. So if I'm like at work or something like that, like I'm just, I know when the baby's boom, the call.

Speaker 1 And I called my wife, I think it was today, and she was like in the car coming back from like a class or something.

Speaker 1 And then she's like, oh, I know you're calling to say hi to Shiloh, but I'm not home just yet. And I was like, oh, fuck.
I got to call to say hi to you more too.

Speaker 1 Like, it's very easy to

Speaker 1 just put all the focus on your daughter. And they cannot resent you for that because they love that you're so committed to this childhood.
You're being a good dad. Yes.

Speaker 1 But not necessarily a great husband. You got to also,

Speaker 1 I realize I got to also be making those calls when it's just her and just talking to her and putting that time in. Is it challenging to keep the romance alive?

Speaker 1 I mean, yeah. I mean, like, of course, you know, it's really the sleep that is the challenge over everything.
It's once you have a baby, there's no real sleeping, especially if your wife breastfeeds.

Speaker 1 Like, they're up every two hours, even in the night. Like, so there's no like, you like scheduling fucks,

Speaker 1 you know, like you're like, okay, we got to do it around this window. And this is the window.
And like,

Speaker 1 maybe sometimes you guys go out and you let it rip, but you know, you got to be up every morning, 6.45. We're up every morning at 6.45.
Whether we want to sleep in or not, it's 6.45.

Speaker 1 That baby's waking up around like 6.30. They kind of look up in the sky for a little bit.
And then they're like, all right, it's time for some fucking titty. And then it's go time.
So

Speaker 1 it's, it's more just about like creating those moments and like scheduling them, but not really making it feel scheduled, if you will.

Speaker 1 You know? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, I imagine i've heard you talk about this before the role of thoughtfulness yeah relationships yeah uh and how difficult it must be to be thoughtful because all of your attention and energy is just being put into this tiny thing that's totally this blob right it's a blob yeah it's a big blob of stuff yeah you and her and

Speaker 1 what thoughtfulness have you got trying to keep it alive yeah yeah it's it is uh but you got to do it you got to do it because the better you guys are the better that that baby is at you know having a shot at life

Speaker 1 Fractured families, dude, they fuck kids up. They fuck kids up.
I listened to the first half of Andrew Tate on Patrick Bett David's podcast. Yeah, well, how was that?

Speaker 1 How do you feel about Tate coming back? Interesting one, dude. I mean, he's currently being subpoenaed, investigated, something by the state of Florida.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just opened up some warrant type thing for him.

Speaker 1 I think it's a bit of a brave call from the U.S. to do that at like this time to be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, come on over when we're talking about worries about trafficking and migrants.

Speaker 1 The UK's got lots of concerns about grooming gangs. You can say what you want about the validity of the case around Tate.

Speaker 1 Optics are optics. So, yeah, you're speaking on something that I really like, which is

Speaker 1 there are facts and then there is

Speaker 1 emotional reactivity. Optics is what you're talking about.
And people are emotional. They just react emotionally to whatever they see.
And it's important to meet them there. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like, there's going to be an idea of who you are from people who don't really know you, casuals on the internet that might see a single clip.

Speaker 1 And that idea that they have, maybe it's wrong, but just going, oh, you're wrong and writing it off isn't how you're going to address a bigger problem. This is where Ben Shapiro gets it 100% backward.

Speaker 1 He says facts don't care about your feelings. Yeah.
This one in particular. Yeah.
Right. Feelings do not give a care.
A single fuck about the feelings. But he's like an autistic robot.

Speaker 1 Like he doesn't understand.

Speaker 1 He like, he caught a great grift off like the christians and now that he no longer has societal utility he's like really struggling like societal utility is oftentimes what can make people like really powerful and he rose to fame at a time where like conservatives felt like really scrutinized just for their beliefs and a lot of them just didn't have the arguments to defend their positions right they grew up in cities and states where it was normal to be a conservative and then all of a sudden they're in these other places where like can i even share this that can i say i'm a conservative like really radioactive to be conservative then all of a sudden he's like this really obviously smart, Harvard-educated arguer.

Speaker 1 He's like a really good arguer in developing ideas and bits and putting together these arguments. They're like foolproof.
And he handed them off to those people.

Speaker 1 But now being conservative is more popular

Speaker 1 than being democratic. This is the point I was saying earlier on about, you know, you can speak truth to power and be that sort of, it was almost like.

Speaker 1 like rock starry, like kind of like rebellious, anarchistic type thing. It's like, it's just the kind of position that most people hold now around a lot of the.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we probably should be careful about what we're doing to teenagers at hormones. We should probably be a little bit concerned about.
So now that it's the norm,

Speaker 1 he no longer has the same societal utility. That's interesting.
And then Israel-Palestine happens. And now the base doesn't agree with him.

Speaker 1 And now they're like, well, we don't need you for the arguments. It's like normal to be conservative now.
It's like, if anything, Democrats need the arguments. Right.

Speaker 1 So now they're like, and we don't agree with you on the Israel-Palestine thing.

Speaker 1 man, the fuck out of here. But yeah, I mean, when you think about the.
So he caught a good grift, but you know, the grifts only last for so long.

Speaker 1 Would you make it the tape thing going back? I mean, he's an American citizen. You have to protect American citizens.

Speaker 1 And just because he hasn't been convicted of anything, so on, he hasn't been convicted of anything. He's an American citizen.
We have to protect our citizens.

Speaker 1 And you're allowed to say whatever you want. As an American, this is free speech.
We believe in all those things. So like there's no question whether you have to let an American back.

Speaker 1 Of course, you have to let an American back. Now, the emotional reaction is you were talking crazy shit about America.

Speaker 1 And then when you get clipped over there in Romania, now you're coming back to daddy. So

Speaker 1 I need you to acknowledge who the goat is. I don't need you talking about the West this and America's that and the West is falling.
Well, why are you coming back to the fall?

Speaker 1 Like when it got rough and they were locking you and your brother up, probably wrongfully. I don't know.
He's not convicted. Like if there was enough to convict, they would have convicted, right?

Speaker 1 But you came running back. So I need you to at least acknowledge why you came running back.
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I love Romania. I love Romania.

Speaker 1 Why did you move to Romania when you first moved to Romania? I love Romania because it's corrupt. You can pay the police off.
The laws basically don't exist and you can get anything done you want.

Speaker 1 And then five years later, like or like

Speaker 1 three seconds later,

Speaker 1 it being like, this country's so corrupt and the police don't really seem to care. It's like

Speaker 1 chickens roosting. That's the thing.
I think that's the thing right there. Like, obviously, he's a phenomenal communicator and he really, he understands culture.

Speaker 1 He understands like trends that are popping up. I'm not talking about like a trend like wearing fucking clothing.
I'm talking about like ideological and emotional trends, like what people think.

Speaker 1 Taps into what people are thinking. He can fucking tap in.
There's no question. But there is a part of me that is like, you talk crazy shit about America.

Speaker 1 And now you're coming back because you got in trouble.

Speaker 1 I need to know. Like

Speaker 1 everybody, a lot of people gave Brittany Griner shit when she got arrested in Russia, right?

Speaker 1 They gave her a lot of shit for like kneeling for the anthem and then asking America to help her to get back. Where's the Britney Griner treatment?

Speaker 1 Where's the Britain? Where's this Britney Griner energy? Now, people are emotional, so it doesn't really matter. They're like, I can look past that because he's satisfying these other.

Speaker 1 concerns that I have emotionally and he's voicing it in the most eloquent way and he really makes me feel seen and heard. So they'll look past this other shit.

Speaker 1 But to me, I'm looking at this Britney Griner. Now, I want Britney back.
You know, should she have had the weed in her fucking thing? No, don't bring fucking a weed pen into Russia.

Speaker 1 You know that they might try to use this as for some political leverage in this situation that we're in.

Speaker 1 It's annoying. You shouldn't have fucking done it.
And you put America in a position where we got to give you back the Nicholas Cage guy from the movie, right?

Speaker 1 We have to give you Nicholas Cage back to get Britney Griner, right? But at the end of the day, she's an American. And if American gets clipped, we're going to ride for our boys, our girls.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's going to be interesting to see what happens, man. Holy fuck.
Like,

Speaker 1 I just can't. This goes back to what I said before about the pace of the news.
Yeah. Like, every single hour.
You remember when Trump got shot in the ear? Yeah. Were you online?

Speaker 1 Were you like, I mean, everybody kind of got dragged online when it happened. Yeah.
I remember I was in Montana. I was in Bozeman, Montana.
Of course. Sat at dinner.

Speaker 1 You know, every single person is just like glued. Fog of war.
No one has any. And I remember thinking, this is the quickest I've ever seen news move.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And now, if you're offline for four hours, you come back on and you're like, holy, what? That happened? What? In how long? Dude, I took a nap today.

Speaker 1 I woke up and he's doing the press conference for like the Doge cuts in front of like the whole Senate. And there's like, they're kicking out hecklers.
I thought it was like one of my shows.

Speaker 1 It was like, I think Al Green got like escorted out of the Senate. It was amazing.
I mean, and then the reactions on the internet was,

Speaker 1 yeah, it's, it's a lot. But that's the thing that

Speaker 1 this is the tricky thing about like the administration right now. Like

Speaker 1 they're being understanding like the mechanism of politics, like being a good politician, as much as we go, oh, I hate politicians, it is valuable in that like you want to be able to disseminate information that Americans already support in a way where they feel comfortable continuing to support it.

Speaker 1 I don't know if there's any American out there that's like, I like waste. I like corruption.
I like fraud.

Speaker 1 All of us unanimously are like, yeah, I think the government's got some waste, corruption, and fraud, and we should get that out of there. Those should be a bipartisan victory for America.

Speaker 1 And I think that the way that's kind of being positioned, and there's like a little antagonism in it, and there's

Speaker 1 not maybe, and Elon's on this too. He's like, he's responsible for this too.
It's a little bit antagonistic. Yes, no need to twist the knife.
It's like you already got everybody on board.

Speaker 1 And then when you like fire some people and have to rehire them, it's okay to be like, hey, we made a mistake. We're humans.
We're going to make mistakes and we're going to do our business.

Speaker 1 As opposed to sort of sticking it in the nose of everybody else, look at how useless this is. Yeah, I had this,

Speaker 1 I had this insight a couple of years ago that

Speaker 1 if you really care about changing people's minds, you'll dial back the sort of aggression of your argument because very few people are patronized or shamed or passive aggressed into changing their mind.

Speaker 1 So this sort of soft signal of effectiveness, dude, if you really, really care about changing people's minds, you'll actually go more gently, not more aggressively.

Speaker 1 And I don't think think it's a really astute point to say that I don't think that we're seeing that. And what did you expect? Like you positioned yourself as the adversary to this other side

Speaker 1 and then said they should be on board.

Speaker 1 They should take me like whipping them and scorning them and laughing at them and mocking them.

Speaker 1 And they should still come begging back to daddy. Yeah,

Speaker 1 it is tricky also because

Speaker 1 obviously the opposition is going to campaign against whatever the decision is because I think Democrats are still like, they don't, they still think that if you just paint Trump and Eel and all these people as bad, that that will allow them to win when you don't even have to paint them as bad.

Speaker 1 Like, you just need to give us hope and abundance. Like, all Americans want is abundance.
Americans are kind of simple. I'll be honest with you.
Like, we're very simple people. What is more?

Speaker 1 You know, like, buffets are popular here. That's more.
What is the biggest steak? More. Cheesecake factory.
Just more. Give me more.

Speaker 1 Like, so when Trump goes up and he's like, and also you could just say shit without doing it and we like it. Like when Trump goes, Greenland, I think that might be ours.
We go, that seems more.

Speaker 1 It seems like a lot more. I like it.
If that never happens, it's fine.

Speaker 1 What Democrats need to do is, in my opinion, just start saying the things that you want to do that give me abundance and be radical about it.

Speaker 1 Stop being concerned about like pissing every little group off. Be radical.
I need an outsider Democrat to go, eggs are a dollar. We're capping it.
We're subsidizing it like we subsidize corn.

Speaker 1 If all these corn and dairy farmers get their money, why can't the egg farmers get theirs? It's a dollar for eggs. That's what it is.
When we get in, it's a dollar for eggs. I guarantee you.

Speaker 1 Saying, hey, we're taking that land over there. We're building 10,000 affordable housing units and we're going to drop the price of rent by 30% in this city.

Speaker 1 And then saying, I don't give a fuck about what these fancy developers think they're going to do with it. It's going to be affordable housing.
We're going to drop. Say some shit.

Speaker 1 Be risky. We liked Bernie because he was like taking shots at all these billionaire corporations.
We're like, who the fuck is this guy? Like, I need you to be brave, but understand who the bad guy is.

Speaker 1 They're looking at Trump and Elon and going, those guys are the bad guys. No, the majority of the country voted for them.
They don't see them as bad yet.

Speaker 1 You could try to make them radioactive, but they don't really see them as bad.

Speaker 1 You know, who they do see as bad is the people stopping them from getting eggs and the people stopping them from paying rent. Bad.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 Do you understand what I'm saying? Like, I feel like this is like, if you actually listen to people, it's not really that difficult to.

Speaker 1 There's such an addiction to purity, though, inside of the left, right? Like, everybody's done the why I left the left thing, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Sort of classic Dave Rubin arc from disaffected leftists to now person that's on the right because they I didn't leave the left, they went away from it, whatever version of that you want to do.

Speaker 1 Has anybody, can you think of anybody that's gone in the opposite direction that's gone from like right of center and then been, I am now a spokesperson for the left? Wow, that's a great question.

Speaker 1 I'm sure there are people. There probably are, but they don't come to mind in the same way, right? You don't have the same like RFK, Tulsi Gabbard, Elon, Rogan,

Speaker 1 you know, and those are, that's just like the fucking biggest names in the world of this. Yeah, wow, that's a really good point.

Speaker 1 And it's because there is such a level of purity that you need to reach in order to be accepted by the left.

Speaker 1 The right will take you flawed as you are, this sort of political leper coming in with like a foot missing and fucking your ears hanging off. And they're like,

Speaker 1 you're kind of all right. I mean, we don't fully agree with you on that thing, but we'll take you.
Fuck, you know, the perfect example of this.

Speaker 1 Remember when Nicki Minaj, for like two weeks during COVID, was anti-vax? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the right was like, come here, fucking Anaconda.
Like, bring it, bring the fucking BBL our way.

Speaker 1 They were like, she's a fucking darling. We'll take her.

Speaker 1 So, but if your coalition is held together, firstly, by finding people who do not have sufficiently pure opinions, pointing at them as scapegoats and saying that they're part of the out-group,

Speaker 1 that's like fucking seppuku or Harry Carrie or whatever it's called. That's like the most self-immolation because

Speaker 1 you're just finding an increasingly small number of people that meet an increasingly high bar of purity. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's you're like all you're doing is shrinking your fucking coalition over and over until it's like one person left. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And the right doesn't have that problem. Well, because they weren't in power.
When you're in power, you start to become

Speaker 1 very

Speaker 1 drunk on your own.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's just like a country club is hard to get into. Those are the people in power.
Interesting. So you're saying that sort of the elitism, the exclusionary thing is

Speaker 1 enabled by being in power. It's queers for Palestine.

Speaker 1 You know, it's like anybody who's down to help, we're going to take. Because we need it.
We need it. So you take anybody's help.
You don't fucking care.

Speaker 1 If you're struggling, whoever's going to help you. And then when you're in power, you get very specific about the people who want to help you.
Well, maybe you apply. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Let's see. We're going to look in and see your total beliefs and how you feel about the entire world.
I do.

Speaker 1 That's it. I will be fascinated to see if that sort of

Speaker 1 right of center

Speaker 1 permission,

Speaker 1 increased amount of permission that they have to accept people if that gets reversed. That will happen without a doubt over the next few years.
You will see these like Stephen A.

Speaker 1 Smith types who will proliferate Democratic circles who are in no way the like ideal version of a Democrat from four years ago or six years ago. But what they will see is salvation in them.

Speaker 1 And they'll be like, this is, he has enough of our values and he could potentially win, or at least he could espouse the shit that could make our party look. Quadi Joy Behard the other day.

Speaker 1 That was incredible. But that's, I mean, but that's kind of what you need.

Speaker 1 You know what else I think

Speaker 1 if I was to just chuck a little bet on for something that's very, very reliably going to happen over the next three years before the end of this administration, the mother of all blow-ups between Elon and Trump.

Speaker 1 So, how do you see that happening? I've heard a lot of people, Charlemagne talks about this all the time. Trump thinks that,

Speaker 1 sorry, Charlemagne thinks Trump is going to put him in prison.

Speaker 1 Okay, that's a take that I hadn't heard before. But yeah, but what do you now? You know, Charlemagne is very Democrat.
Like, obviously, he's going to have some bias that goes into this.

Speaker 1 But, but, what do you, what is your take and how do you see that relationship going? I just think that when you've got two people with so much power and ego, and I do, from what I can tell,

Speaker 1 Elon's ego and that

Speaker 1 sort of

Speaker 1 self-focused self-belief, like it's me, it's me and like I'm going to be the center of all of this, seems to be ramping up.

Speaker 1 That is probably a pretty dangerous cocktail based on some stories and stuff that I've heard about behind the scenes from Trump, about some levels of vulnerability and sort of like flimsy senses of

Speaker 1 he doesn't like to be shown up, doesn't like to be sort of upstaged.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I don't know if

Speaker 1 Elon has the emotional intelligence of JD Vance. To be able to tiptoe around and yes, sir, no, sir, three bikes full, sir.
JD, and why I say do not treat that man lightly.

Speaker 1 I think he has like, he came from like poverty. I think his mom was like a drug addict, like, and then he ends up going to Yale.

Speaker 1 And then he becomes the VP of a guy that he campaigned against and said was horrible and like a tyrant.

Speaker 1 Do you know the level of emotional intelligence it takes to go from like a broke middle America, broken family to an Ivy League institution to then VP

Speaker 1 for the guy who does not, he doesn't always keep in it. Like you can say things about Trump, but if it's advantageous for whatever his plan is, he will forgive you.

Speaker 1 You know, he's kind of like Vince Mann in that regard, like whatever works for the thing. But like that takes high EQ.
Even in that moment with Zelensky, he's managing Trump.

Speaker 1 Like, he's, he did have a moment for himself, but everything he said was, and you show respect to Trump and Donald Trump's office. And what so he knows the game he's playing.
Oh, that.

Speaker 1 What I'm saying is, don't treat him lightly. What our coastal elites, we always do is when someone has a kind of southern accent, we think they're idiots.

Speaker 1 And we, and we don't, we don't even really pay attention to them.

Speaker 1 And that man is someone, I see a problem with JD before i see elon but

Speaker 1 what do you think is going to happen with elon long term with trump nothing now you think that he's going to dance through the minefield i i don't think

Speaker 1 i think he is acutely aware of his limitations in america he cannot physically be president if he could be president i think there is a concern because eventually he'll go when they have an impasse he'll just go well i'll just run against you he cannot the the laws dictate he cannot So inevitably, you're going to have to bow down at some point.

Speaker 1 This is the highest. You're as high as you can go, Elon.

Speaker 1 That's only based on the fact that you can put

Speaker 1 the outcomes that you want for your project behind your ego. Yes.

Speaker 1 And I'm

Speaker 1 not sure which one is going to be your priority. The only other thing he could do is leverage the Democrats, which have already made him radioactive.
Like no Democrat can side with Elon.

Speaker 1 So Elon is as far as he can go in America. He can't go any further.
Like this is outside of being president.

Speaker 1 Like there's that great line in Game of Thrones where like Cersei is talking to Littlefinger and Littlefinger is like, you know, you know, Littlefinger, the character.

Speaker 1 And Littlefinger goes, you know, what I've learned over the years is that,

Speaker 1 you know, knowledge is power. And there's all these guards around her and them.
And she goes, guards, slit his throat. And they all walk up and put a knife to his throat.

Speaker 1 And then she goes, guards, stand down. Guards, take two steps back.
Guards take six steps back. And then she goes, power is power.
And it's just so fire. And it's like,

Speaker 1 Trump has power. Power is power.
That is the closest Elon can get to power. And I don't think there's another president that will allow Elon to have that access to power.

Speaker 1 So Elon either has to hope there's another person that he could ride with and establish relationship. And maybe that's JD, but he have to wait to the next administration anyway.

Speaker 1 So what he can't do is sour all the Republicans on him. Like,

Speaker 1 I cannot see the situation where they get into trouble because there's nowhere else for him to go. He either have to jump parties, which is very difficult after chastising the left all this time.

Speaker 1 Like, he's kind of made his bed and he's high. He has access to all these things.
And I think it does benefit him the most if America is successful because all his businesses are tied up in America.

Speaker 1 He could jump ship to another country, but that's not the thing I worry about because I think he's smart enough to understand the position he's in. Eventually, you hit the impasse.

Speaker 1 This is what happens with all rich people

Speaker 1 that actually want to move weight around.

Speaker 1 You hit the impasse of government and you have people who are way less successful than you, way poorer than you, telling you whether you can or can't build a factory or do whatever you want to do.

Speaker 1 And in that moment, they go, fuck.

Speaker 1 I just worked my ass out. I got fucking yachts and everything.
And now I got to go kiss this guy's dick.

Speaker 1 Like you saw them all lined up behind Trump during the inauguration zuckerberg bezel everybody went to kiss the ring and he set them up letting everybody else know they're kissing the ring and i think elon goes i got the best seat it don't get better than this and this guy trusts me and believes in me i can't this up and he's dealt with governors mayors and all this other shit that he doesn't respect at all So he's like, it's not going to get better than this.

Speaker 1 I don't think he can ruin it.

Speaker 1 If they change the rule to let non-citizens become president, now we have an issue. But Trump would never change that rule because it's as his security blanket right there.

Speaker 1 It's actually kind of like brilliantly done by Trump. It's ride with me against the left.
Now

Speaker 1 Elon can't go to the left. So he has to be loyal to you.

Speaker 1 It's like he's Zelensky.

Speaker 1 Everybody that's associated with Trump is so unspeakable and toxic that they're never going to be allowed back. So now you've got the loyalty built right there.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Can I ask you a question about

Speaker 1 Russia?

Speaker 1 Do you feel an existential threat?

Speaker 1 Do you think Russia is an existential threat as a European? That's an interesting question. So, no,

Speaker 1 at least, but the UK and Europe feel like very different places. Forget Brexit, forget the fact that we actually left the European Union.
We just don't think about that.

Speaker 1 I think that people in the UK feel that they are much closer to America and are under the,

Speaker 1 they're on, maybe maybe not quite on par, but that they're in that circle much more than we are with fucking Norway or Finland or Switzerland or some shit.

Speaker 1 But I understand that a lot of people are worried about in Europe, what does the potential support of Russia or lack of support for the Ukraine mean? Is Russia just going to keep on bowling through?

Speaker 1 It's fucking Donbass, Paris, and then London. Like, what's going to stop?

Speaker 1 I don't know. I think, to be honest, I think that the UK has got such huge fucking domestic problems at the moment that they're not even worried about.

Speaker 1 I was speaking to a comedian named Ari Maddie, and he's from

Speaker 1 Estonia.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 he grew up like feeling Russia as an existential threat. And he's like, yeah, like we get taught all the time that they could come invade.
And

Speaker 1 they're like, yeah, they're teaching them in Russian schools that Estonia is actually part of Russia. And one day we'll get it back.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 Americans, we're so far away from this idea of like Russia invading. I was trying to understand Zelensky's like confidence going into this meeting with Trump.
Like, I didn't understand why he

Speaker 1 felt comfortable pushing back. Cause I think the American perspective is like, you guys can't survive without us.
That's the perspective to any country we kind of give weapons to.

Speaker 1 It's like, you can't do it without us. Right.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I think that's a lot of times like the hotbed conversation, even with Israel-Palestine here, is that like the perspective of Americans is like, Israel cannot defend itself without American weapons.

Speaker 1 So applying pressure to America is what actually stops the war. Right.
Now, I don't even know if that's true. I don't know if maybe Israel can.
I'm not sure. But that's the American feeling, right?

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 when he said that to me, I was like, oh, shit. Maybe that's why Zelensky had so much confidence in that meeting because he's like, oh, yeah, everybody knows that Russia will just.

Speaker 1 steamroll into Europe. And then so all these European countries won't let that happen.
And we're the heroes fighting at the front line to make sure that Paris is not part of Russia.

Speaker 1 So they would never, like, I wonder if he walked in with the confidence of like, they would be crazy to not keep funding this because next it's going to be Germany's taking over.

Speaker 1 Like, of course, they're going to give us the money.

Speaker 1 Because that's the only thing that could justify the attitude in the room. Does that make sense? Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 Well, you've definitely got, it feels like you've got an ace in your pocket and you think, what the fuck is that? Yeah. Like, why is it that you're not that worried?

Speaker 1 I don't know, man. I mean,

Speaker 1 how quickly we forgot forgot about the issue of Russia and Ukraine because everything kicked off in Gaza.

Speaker 1 And then how quickly we've forgotten about Gaza now that Russia and Ukraine are back in the headlines. Wow.

Speaker 1 Isn't that, yeah, we stepped away from him completely.

Speaker 1 I used to see people's windows change in New York. It was a Black Lives Matter flag.
Then it got taken down. And then it was a Ukraine flag.
Then it got taken down. And then it was a Palestine flag.

Speaker 1 And then it got taken down. Now we're back to Ukraine.
It's like.

Speaker 1 What do you think is going on with with the Epstein list? You see this? It's been treated like the fucking longest album drop of all time.

Speaker 1 People holding it like it's the fucking Wu-Tang clan's unreleased mixtape. They're like, George R.R.
Martin, when are you going to release the next Game of Thrones? Like, Jesus Christ, dude. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 My suspicion is that

Speaker 1 most of these things are far less interesting than we build them up to be.

Speaker 1 And that

Speaker 1 I think in our brains, when we build out justifications

Speaker 1 for these things, we remove the idea of incompetence. Incompetence never exists in a conspiracy, right?

Speaker 1 Conspiracy is always like this nefarious intent that was thoroughly plotted and executed. Like, even like the 9-11 is an inside job thing.
And I think that there's been a lot of details on this.

Speaker 1 My suspicion is that, like, there was probably American intelligence agencies that were aware that a plan, a plot was being planned.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 this is where the arguments, did they purposely let it happen so that this could, or were they pushed to let it happen?

Speaker 1 Or

Speaker 1 did they not take it seriously? And then it happened. And then everyone at that agency that is in a position of power is going,

Speaker 1 fuck,

Speaker 1 fuck.

Speaker 1 Oh, this is my fault. I let this fucking shit.
Okay, we got to find a way to make it seem like this is not on.

Speaker 1 And my suspicion is that is most conspiracy stuff, where it's like there's some incompetence and then someone trying to cover up incompetence.

Speaker 1 And that leads to this insane conspiracy because this person is trying to protect a lie.

Speaker 1 So the Epicene thing. Yeah.
Well, I mean, look,

Speaker 1 people hold two very contradictory thoughts in their mind at the same time. One being government is so useless that we need this South African guy to come in and rip it apart.

Speaker 1 And they couldn't run a piss-up in a brewery. And they're all spending all of their time speaking to donors.
And also,

Speaker 1 they are the overlords that are creating the new world order. And we need to be very concerned about them, the CIA and the NSA and the FBI and the three-letter agencies.

Speaker 1 And they're trying to trans the kids. And you go, well, which one is it? Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's nowhere. It's neither.
It's in the middle. Yeah.
It's like there's going to be some, sure, there'll be some really, really competent, really nasty, mean-spirited people trying to get stuff done.

Speaker 1 And even if, let's say that that's like a significant portion, who are the foot soldiers that are trying to do it? These like

Speaker 1 employed retards that have managed to like stumble their way into fucking government. And you go, okay, are you really going to trust him? Yeah.

Speaker 1 John, John's going to deploy your master plan to like New World Order, the global vaccine passport. Yeah.
Really? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's

Speaker 1 tricky. I mean, the thing that I would like to do for the Epstein list is, I don't know if we ever get a list, but I would love to hear Lex Wexner.
Les Wexner, is that his name?

Speaker 1 The guy who is the so Epstein managed one guy's money, and his name is Les Wexner. A guy, I think he lives in like Ohio.
He's the guy who started Victoria Secretary Secret. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 And he only managed one guy's money. So that's where he was able to, you know, leverage all these relationships and do all this other shit with this one guy's money.

Speaker 1 And I don't think Victoria's Secret is what it used to be. Like, I don't think girls are buying like Victoria's Secret lingerie anymore.

Speaker 1 Like, I think the business is kind of what it will be in Target soon or something, right? So now he does, and he's also like 90 years old.

Speaker 1 Give him immunity and just tell us what it was, what's going on.

Speaker 1 Were you compromised? Was it Mossad? Was it CIA? Was it both? Like, just tell us, give somebody immunity and tell us what happened.

Speaker 1 Like, even the Ghillain, I can't trust the immunity because her dad was all fucking mobbed up or whatever. So, this guy is the guy who's the money guy.
Just, he's fucking 90. Like, who cares? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Give him immunity and then what you'll get is at least like we're we're dying to figure out what the fuck happened just give us enough nutrients where we can move on right like now it is delicate obviously you have

Speaker 1 there's a lot of like they're like release the list and it's like okay well there's a lot of like girls who are teenagers probably on this list that are like nate like so i get that like you have to talk to them to make sure that's good before you redact it but if you got a bunch of fucking senators who are out there or like these tech people, like, yeah, release it.

Speaker 1 Run it. I just don't know if we ever get it, but I think he is the key.
So I would like to know.

Speaker 1 I think you. Really strategically smart move.
Just it trickles down. You need money to be qualified to be in all these circles.
They only trust you because you're managing this guy's money.

Speaker 1 He's got to know something, and he gave you the money instead of Jamie Dimon. He could give anybody the money.
So just tell us what the fuck is going on, less.

Speaker 1 And then you get to die, not a complete shithead. Like you're still a shithead, but at least people will be like, all right,

Speaker 1 you go to Last Breath, you did something pretty cool. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, I don't know. What would you do? Do you think we'll ever see it? Do you think we? I don't know, man.

Speaker 1 I mean, I love the idea that we just need to close the loop so that we can stop talking about it. Yeah.
So that there's no more speculation for this.

Speaker 1 It's, you know, it's the fucking, it's the 9-11 instant job thing. It's just this permanent, like, who was D.B.
Cooper? Was it this person?

Speaker 1 It's like, dude, just, can someone give us a definitive answer so that we can stop asking the question? Yeah, like, that's what we need to do.

Speaker 1 Like, everybody, like, Joe has exposed so much, like, amazing information about the world that is completely like blown our minds about what reality really is.

Speaker 1 And it would be awesome if each one of them went on the pod and just confirmed it all. It's just like, okay, yeah, we shot JFK.
This is what happened.

Speaker 1 And then somebody from NASA goes, no, we really did go to the moon. And we faked the video because it was hard to get the video for, but we did really go.

Speaker 1 And just imagine, like, imagine a series of like 20 Rogan episodes where you get confirmation on all the alternative like history. It's not conspiracy theories.
These are conspiracy facts. Yes.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, how awesome would that be? And they, they got to go on Joe, though. And it has to be the ones that he's, you know, brought to light

Speaker 1 oh my god would that not be amazing them on alex cooper

Speaker 1 the real arbiter of truth in shit speaking of that did you see brian johnson on keeping up with the kardashians i saw a clip randomly you know we had him on the pod yeah yeah yeah yeah i saw he's a sweetie yeah he is a sweetie he's got some dark

Speaker 1 oh yeah i told him when i were there it's like i think he's replaced like being mormon with living forever and uh so maybe dark is the wrong way to put it but it is a very radical.

Speaker 1 Like, how radical is Mormonism that like you could do that? Well,

Speaker 1 him and Hubman had a big bust up on Twitter. Ooh, what'd they say?

Speaker 1 Brian was flexing his leg press numbers, and Heubeman replied and said, friends don't let friends do half reps, like kind of the range of motion being a thing, and then that caused loads of blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1 I've got to assume

Speaker 1 I didn't know Andrew is friends with the Kardashians. The scene where Brian's in there has got all of the Kardashians, but also got Hubman in there.

Speaker 1 But this must have been filmed months and months and months ago, I have to assume, and it's only just come out. So I was watching that thinking, this is like my Zelensky Trump moment.

Speaker 1 That this is these two people that have had fucking massive beef online finally coming together.

Speaker 1 And I'm thinking, I'm going to get to why they're going to, they're going to like fucking, that wasn't a quarter rep. That was actually me doing it.
It's actually a thousand pounds.

Speaker 1 It's not 950 pounds. Like,

Speaker 1 why do they beef? What's the

Speaker 1 Andrew replied to Brian? It's like the most fucking middle school thing. Andrew replied to Brian and criticized his range of motion on a wide.

Speaker 1 No, but like, they must have some other beef that that even happened, right? No. That was just a passing comment.
And then Brian took it really seriously. Oh, man.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And you know, he has no excuse to do that because we know you have a perfect sleep score. You can't even be like, dude, I was exhausted.
I had a hard day.

Speaker 1 It's like, no, you slept fucking 14 hours yesterday. You stopped eating at 11 a.m.
So you could get good sleep. Yeah.
Yeah. I don't know.

Speaker 1 I mean, the only thing that could have made that table better between all of the Kardashians, Brian Johnson and Andrew Huberman, would have been like coked up Conor McGregor.

Speaker 1 Just the fucking wild card that gets thrown in there. Who the fuck is this guy? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think that Conor McGregor's arc should be studied by like fucking anthropologists or something as just what happens when a guy who really wanted to be rich and famous gets exactly what he wanted and turns out was completely unprepared to deal with it all.

Speaker 1 You want to know something interesting?

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 he came to meet up with us one night in New York

Speaker 1 and he was, he was, he was fucked up. Like he had some drinks, but he was the nicest,

Speaker 1 most humble guy.

Speaker 1 He, when you, a lot of times when you meet famous people, like they're not really used to

Speaker 1 asking people their thoughts on things.

Speaker 1 You know, they're just like in this. Me, me, me, me, me, me.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it's, it's not, it's, I don't even, like, I have empathy for it because people are just asking them questions because it's hard to like share your opinion on the world when you're with this incredibly successful person.

Speaker 1 So they just get into the system where they, they, they basically go, oh, people want to know things about me, so I will share. Yeah, I'll just cut to the chase and give them other things.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm going to give you which one.

Speaker 1 He was like curious. Like, we were talking about fights.
He was like, well, yeah, what did you think about the fight? Like, you're asking me what I thought about the fight.

Speaker 1 Like, you're professional fighter. You're like, probably the most prolific, not probably, you are the most prolific MMA fighter in history.
Like,

Speaker 1 you're synonymous with fight sports. Like, you're asking me my opinion on it? Like, and we were having a conversation, like a couple guys at a bar.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 as wild as I see him in all these things, I'll never forget that moment where he was curious about what I thought.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 ever since then, I look at these things as, is he stirring up moments? Is this like wrestling? Does he just really get into the

Speaker 1 vibe and the attention of it? Like, I also understand, like, you reach a certain amount of success and you are clout. I'm sure you've experienced this.

Speaker 1 Like, you get over a certain amount of followers, and now somebody making a video about you is currency. They can pay their rent on it.

Speaker 1 And whether what they say is true or not, you exist as a form of payment,

Speaker 1 right? Attention

Speaker 1 or dollars. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I have, I have, he must experience that a hundred, a millionfold for me or you. I know it happens with me all the time too.

Speaker 1 And it's like, and nobody really understands where, what that life is until you're in it. And that is the cost of success.
I'm not complaining about this.

Speaker 1 The cost of getting to live the lives that we live is that you're going to deal with scrutiny and you're going to deal with criticism. That's totally fine.

Speaker 1 Frustrating when people like make things up about, yeah, sure, that's fucking annoying. But I, in a human-to-human moment, he was curious and cared about what I had to say about his expertise.

Speaker 1 And that's more than I can say about a lot of people.

Speaker 1 What it makes me think, and that's a really beautiful story and very insightful. What it makes me think is that there's an error somewhere.

Speaker 1 Because if that's who you truly are, why is that not being put out?

Speaker 1 Like, why is that not a part of your your personality? Dude, you know what?

Speaker 1 I was, I actually wanted to talk to you about this because you talk to so many people and you've cultivated like your universe, right?

Speaker 1 So the people that know you and love you know the idiosyncrasies about you. They actually like know your opinions about the world.

Speaker 1 And then there are people that just consume you casually that just see you as whatever that version that exists in a clip online.

Speaker 1 So it's like,

Speaker 1 what I realized, I thought that if I had a bunch of like diverse guests on my pod,

Speaker 1 that

Speaker 1 people would, it would not one, I'm just curious about this. Like I like seeing diversity of thought.
I'm just really interested. So the people who know me know that about me.

Speaker 1 The people that don't know you only know the version of you that they want to consume.

Speaker 1 So if there's like a really awesome, poignant piece that's like written about you, they're like, I don't want that guy to be poignant and awesome. I want that guy to be this or me, same thing, right?

Speaker 1 Or vice versa. Exactly.

Speaker 1 If they do love you.

Speaker 1 But the people who love you know you already.

Speaker 1 You don't need to convince them. So what I realized is like doing this press run

Speaker 1 is that

Speaker 1 I got to talk to way more people that you might think I disagree with because I have to go, if I care about the perception of me, which I can't say I don't. I'm a comedian at the end of the day.

Speaker 1 I can live with people thinking different things about me. That is fine.

Speaker 1 I can accept it. That's all cool.
But I realize the way to alter that perception is not bringing people on my podcast.

Speaker 1 It's going going to other people's podcasts, especially people that

Speaker 1 you might think that we disagree on.

Speaker 1 And then we get into like a cool, nuanced conversation and you realize, and I see it happen in real time, they're like, oh, wow, actually, yeah, that kind of does make sense.

Speaker 1 And, oh, wow, I didn't think that you would have that perspective. It's like, yeah, of course you didn't.
The Benn diagram overlaps way more than we thought it would do.

Speaker 1 And I don't, and I have empathy for it. I get why you thought that.
Like, you just consume content about me in the same way that I consume content about Ben Shapiro.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm sure Ben is way more nuanced than I just described him earlier on the pod. Like, I'm sure there's people who like really know him and understand his beliefs.

Speaker 1 And it's not, there isn't this like rigidity that he puts out online when he's like scolding a college kid.

Speaker 1 You know, maybe there's moments where he has a lot more empathy for that college kid who's, you know, battling with his identity or battling with, you know, wanting to make the world a better place.

Speaker 1 And his opinion is a little different than Ben's. But if I only get that version that I only consume, you know, that's what I think.

Speaker 1 And we have to kind of live with that because we are what we put out in the world.

Speaker 1 And if what we put out in the world can get clipped up and put into these different things, that is the cost of the fight we have. Be ready for that to happen.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's this idea called tilting at windmills. An online stranger doesn't know you.
All they have are a few vague impressions of you, too meager to form anything but a phantasm.

Speaker 1 So when they attack you, they're really just attacking their own imagination and there is no need to take it personally. Yeah.
So that tilting at windmills things, I wanted to ask you this, actually.

Speaker 1 The concern real quick is like, you would hope that that doesn't become a trend.

Speaker 1 Well, I've seen that happen with me. Like, people start, like, an idea creates about me that's just not true.

Speaker 1 And then anybody that doesn't like me for whatever reason, maybe have good reasons to not like me, it just becomes another justification for not liking me. They hold on to the phantasm, right?

Speaker 1 And then that becomes, but what did we say before? The feelings don't care about the fact. Exactly.
It doesn't matter. And unfortunately, what did we also say before?

Speaker 1 Optics really are sort of the most important thing.

Speaker 1 And if you have a story that fits people's priors, there is something that gets a particular cohort of people who are all distinct and separate, but they coalesce around their mutual distaste for a particular person.

Speaker 1 And there is a very nice, cohesive, neat narrative that explains why they should not like this person. They go, oh, that's our new culture.
That's our new thing.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I wanted to ask, you know, not everybody deals with the same level of scrutiny or criticism that you do. Sure.

Speaker 1 But what have you learned about to care less about the opinions of other people, how to sort of take criticism well?

Speaker 1 I think that like,

Speaker 1 again, I think the care is more about like, you're like, okay, I hope this doesn't like shift perspective and like negatively impact my ability to like provide for my family.

Speaker 1 That's really where they care. I'm fine with people thinking that I'm a certain way and like.

Speaker 1 this thing could like you know the kendrick thing comes out like it's they turn it into like fucking racism within like i'm like what the fuck you know it's

Speaker 1 how what? You know, like, it was just whatever, it doesn't matter. And then, um,

Speaker 1 and, and I'm like, okay, I'm fine. Like, the internet just moves on eventually.
You just let that kind of so you just hope that like it doesn't lock in and then affect your bottom line.

Speaker 1 But the thing that makes me okay with accepting criticism is that all the people I admire

Speaker 1 are the most criticized people.

Speaker 1 So like everybody I look up to and I aspire to have, you know, the level of success that they have are the most criticized. Like,

Speaker 1 I mean, fucking Taylor Swift is like, there's no more criticized. Like, she's getting booed at the Super Bowl, yet it takes 120 dudes to sell out that Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 She could do it by herself four nights in a row. You know what I mean? So she's sitting there getting booed, but she's also like, this is cute.
I remember doing this.

Speaker 1 I remember doing this little stadium. You know what I mean? Like, so there is this version where

Speaker 1 I'm okay with the criticism. I'm fine with it.
My concern is more more like

Speaker 1 the false narratives catching heat because

Speaker 1 there is like an attention or currency that you could build around it. And I haven't, I don't really know how to like thwart that.

Speaker 1 I wish I had like some people like really good at like addressing narratives. Strategy.
Like Dave Portnoy, maybe. Portennoy is just like, he's Portnoy, 50 Cent is amazing.
Like anything pops up,

Speaker 1 he's on that ass.

Speaker 1 And I'm probably a little more passive because I'm like, I'm just going to put out the art.

Speaker 1 You know, I'm going to put out my special and you'll get a sense of who I am, or I'll talk to people on the pod and I'll do these things.

Speaker 1 And, and, uh, also, you can't respond to people who don't really have a face. You can't respond to ideas.
Like, I can respond to Kendrick because Kendrick is the biggest rapper in the world.

Speaker 1 Can't respond to like some YouTube video.

Speaker 1 You know, it's just in my mind, I'm like, okay, now I'm just blowing that thing up. I'm just adding gas to it.

Speaker 1 You know, yeah, the Kendrick thing was interesting.

Speaker 1 That was wild.

Speaker 1 Does that even hit your radar? Like, I'm so confused about who knows about these things. I didn't see this happen.
Oh, wow. I didn't see it.
I did when I started doing a little bit of prep for today.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And I was like, oh, Schultz got in some Super Bowl beef.
Yeah. So it's like, it's just so, this is

Speaker 1 so funny, too. It's like, whenever you go through something, you think it's the biggest thing.
That's another thing I learned. It's like, no one really cares.
Like, it doesn't really matter.

Speaker 1 Like, you think it's big, but like the reality, most people don't. And we exist in these little bubbles.
So like a bubble cares about it for a second. But when I go out to dinner and nobody cares.

Speaker 1 Hey, if we can forget about October 7th because Zelensky sat down with Trump, we can forget about the Super Bowl. That's a great way.
That's right. So I need another tragedy.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Just sow the seeds of another fucking international incident.
That's what they say. You kill a story with a story.

Speaker 1 I remember this was AS level sociology or AS level media studies before I went to university.

Speaker 1 What's AS? So in the UK, 16, 17, 18, you go to what we call college, which is before university. Got it.
And you do AS level and then you do A level. AS is the first year.
A level is the second year.

Speaker 1 And that's what gets you your grades for uni. And I was told this story about the day after, so

Speaker 1 September 12th, the media manager for a PR company who ended up losing a job because of this quote was caught saying the words publicly, it's a good day for bad news.

Speaker 1 And if you go and you look at the newspapers, September 12th, September 13th, September 14th, page 64, page 74, toxic spill,

Speaker 1 accounting error,

Speaker 1 fucking recall for dangerous product.

Speaker 1 Building seven.

Speaker 1 Very good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 People just dumping this stuff out there. But yeah, I think

Speaker 1 I heard this really interesting sentence the other day. I just don't care about people misjudging me anymore.

Speaker 1 And I really love that sentence.

Speaker 1 So I don't care about people misjudging me. And I think a lot of the time when it comes to criticism, what we're worried about is

Speaker 1 this person has an incorrect perspective, perception of me.

Speaker 1 I don't like that. Let me go and fix, because I know I'm not that.
So let me go and manage their perception of me. I'm going to step in.
I'm going to fix this thing. You go,

Speaker 1 I don't think you can, dude.

Speaker 1 And if you try and play that game, if you want to try and fix everybody's erroneous expectation of you or interpretation of you, and the other side is as well, it's often people that don't like you, don't understand what you're doing, don't have your best interests at heart, they don't like you, and they're not nice people.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and you're saying that person, that particular individual or group of individuals misjudged me, yeah, and I feel bad. Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's in deal with it, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 It's like you ever, you ever get an argument with your girl, and then um,

Speaker 1 not even an argument, like you'll do something, and your intention was not for that to hurt her. Like,

Speaker 1 you seem like a good guy, I don't see why you would like want to hurt someone you care about, but it did hurt her.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 what I used to do is I would try to explain her out of her hurt, right? I would try to explain to my wife why she shouldn't be hurt, right? Cause I want to be a good guy. And I can't.

Speaker 1 Let me tell you why you're wrong. Yeah.
Yeah. Let me tell you why your feelings are wrong.
And it's just like, oh, no, what I meant by it is this, right?

Speaker 1 And like, and why we're doing that is because we don't want them to think we are the type of person. that would try to do something to hurt them.

Speaker 1 I'm actually feeling insecure that you might feel differently towards me if I'm the type of man that would do that to make you feel that way.

Speaker 1 They don't want that. What they want is their feelings to be acknowledged and just going, I'm sorry that

Speaker 1 what I did made you feel that way. I'm really sorry.
And then if they, if they go, why did you do it? And go, well, actually, this was my thinking, then they're, they're asking for the why.

Speaker 1 And the same thing, I think the exact same thing applies to what you're saying. It's like these people feel a certain way.
Yeah, I'm sorry that that made you feel that way.

Speaker 1 You know, I am sorry that, but in terms of like

Speaker 1 caring about the perception, anybody who's ever like felt a certain way about me that I've had a conversation with, I feel like has left not feeling that way.

Speaker 1 And so I'm not really concerned about like the misjudgment. The concern is only like, how could it negatively impact opportunities to, to achieve my dreams?

Speaker 1 And that's the, the beauty of like financial success is that you get to really not care. Like if you're at a number, right?

Speaker 1 Like if you hit the number where you're like, I could stop doing all this and I'm good and my daughter can eat and my wife is safe and you don't even have to address any of it. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like, if you get to a certain number where you're just like, I'm just creating the shit that I want to create, I don't even care if it makes money. I just love creating things.

Speaker 1 Who gives a fuck? Isn't it interesting how most people's projects have this like odd

Speaker 1 Paulo Cuello's The Alchemist, like you leave the place to come back to where you started? So you did that. Explain that to me.
You read, read The Alchemist? I've heard of The Alchemist.

Speaker 1 I haven't read it. It's a really beautiful book, and it's a fiction book.
It's super easy to read. It's not a flex to say that you've read it, but it's kind of a bit trippy to read.

Speaker 1 It's this beautiful story about Santiago, this Spanish boy who goes on a journey and he comes back. And spoiler alert, if you haven't listened to it yet, skip ahead for 30 seconds.

Speaker 1 The treasure that he's looking for is in the backyard of the place that he started.

Speaker 1 And the story's takeaway is going on a journey to end up back where you began is not the same as having never left. And yeah, wow.

Speaker 1 I love that. My point being with something like

Speaker 1 stand-up or podcasting or writing or whatever it is that you're into,

Speaker 1 you start off doing the thing the way you want to because you love it and you've got this passion.

Speaker 1 And yeah, you start modeling from other people because you want to learn from those that have gone ahead of you. And then after a while,

Speaker 1 different incentives come in and maybe you've got staff or you've got obligations or you've got competition or you've got momentum. And

Speaker 1 you start to sort of get skewed away from this a little bit. And then over time, maybe you begin to get

Speaker 1 expectations from people. And you've kind of got to, you're playing up to your own enigma, your own persona.
And you're like, you've got to go, I'm going to go from infamous to doing life.

Speaker 1 And it's like a real change and scary to the fucking difficult second album, right? Do I just repeat what I did last time or do I try and pivot?

Speaker 1 And then after a while, you know, hopefully you're still stripping this. You're still trying to be true to yourself.
But I think a lot of the time people end up in that.

Speaker 1 post-money world or you know post-fame world whatever it is you end up back at this place where you're like i can just say fuck you yeah I'm going to do it the way that I want.

Speaker 1 I had this idea I wanted to teach you about.

Speaker 1 So you've heard of fuck you money, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 So I realized that I think there's three levels to saying fuck you. So the first one is fucky money, which is you're not really that beholden to an employer.

Speaker 1 You maybe kind of can own things in a way that makes you not have to adhere to laws in the same sort of a way.

Speaker 1 There's fucky freedom, which is actually more accessible than fucky money because you can just like, if you've got enough, you can live off grid.

Speaker 1 Maybe you don't even need to be reliant on supermarkets. You don't need to really like listen to laws if you've got a little bit of land or whatever.
But then the third level is fuck you family.

Speaker 1 And I think a lot of the time

Speaker 1 people are playing these games. They want to be requited and validated, external success and all the rest of it.
But I get the sense, and I see this with

Speaker 1 you and a lot of my friends that become young dads, that they kind of look back on a lot of the ways that they got validation and self-esteem as like real juvenile, very immature.

Speaker 1 Like, look at all of these people who I don't know, who I don't give a fuck about, and I cared about their opinions about me.

Speaker 1 And really, the only people whose opinions I care about are the ones that are inside of this household.

Speaker 1 And that fuck you family thing is the most accessible to everybody.

Speaker 1 And yeah, it's a transition that, you know, if you're a high-powered person, like man or woman, and then you pivot into family life, I wonder how many have like a

Speaker 1 retrospective existential crisis about like,

Speaker 1 what the fuck was I doing? Yeah. Who was I? Yeah.
I did all of that. And okay, yeah, cool.

Speaker 1 Like, I just didn't know, but holy shit, like that my eyes have been opened and I see the actual game that I was playing. Bro, it is so cliche.
So much about having children is cliche. But like

Speaker 1 the hardest day, the most stressful day, the most difficult day.

Speaker 1 When I open the door and I get back at six o'clock every day, my daughter is in the play pen usually with my wife and she hears the door open and like she slowly turns around

Speaker 1 and then I watch her face crease into this beautiful like six-toothed smile and

Speaker 1 everything,

Speaker 1 nothing matters at all. It's so cliche.

Speaker 1 It's actually difficult as a comedian who like tries to have like unique takes on things, how normal my reactions to having a child is, right?

Speaker 1 Like, but it is just nothing really matters in that moment. And then for the next, we're getting after it for the next hour.
We're just, we're just getting, nothing matters.

Speaker 1 And you're 100% right. That is like, fuck you, family.

Speaker 1 No, you need things to get there because you feel obviously like a responsibility to make sure she's safe and she can go to the school she wants and we can live in a nice place and experience these cool things.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I love that. I love that.
I saw this. I saw this quote earlier on today that said, it's not okay to work your life away, but it is okay to work your 20s away.
And yo, I like this.

Speaker 1 Keep going on this because time is something that we should discuss.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think, you know, again, I said, for me, and I really, I just want to like re-highlight the fact that I think the new special from you is probably the most

Speaker 1 culturally

Speaker 1 penetrative

Speaker 1 explanation of male fertility issues that I've seen.

Speaker 1 You know, you said before, we always assumed that the problem's the woman. And we have big, we have lots of stories about that.
We have archetypes, right?

Speaker 1 The struggling woman, whether it's struggling to find a partner and the biological clock is ticking, trying to get pregnant,

Speaker 1 going through the IVF and the pain of the process and then the pain of it not taking and all of the stuff that you can learn about if you spend a bit of time on this.

Speaker 1 And we don't have a cultural story about what it's like to be a man. who is really desperate to be a dad, but can't find a partner.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Or has a partner partner and is trying to be a dad and has fertility issues yeah and that doesn't exist yeah and um time for both men and women

Speaker 1 even more than that like i think about this now so i'm 37 right like let's say that i managed to make the family in three years let's say i have my first kid when i'm 40 like i'll be 65 when my first kid's 25.

Speaker 1 Kids weren't on my brain at 25. Okay, so I'm 75 when my kids are 35.
So I'm going to be like 77 when my kids are my age. Yeah.
I'm like, chop shop. I want to be a granddad.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, well, you didn't fucking give your parents that same, like, where was the chop shop when you were doing this thing? So I didn't meet any of my grandparents.

Speaker 1 I mean, I met like when I was like one or something like that, one of them, I think. But yeah, that happens.
And that is the cost. Time.
The first thought I had when I saw my daughter is that

Speaker 1 I wish I did it sooner so I would have more time with her. And that's the first thought I saw when I saw her.
Like, I was like, what did I do? Now, I'm not regretful of my life.

Speaker 1 I love how how it turned out. And I met the woman that I want to create a family and have a life with.
But

Speaker 1 yeah, you think about it constantly. Time.

Speaker 1 I always heard people talk about it. And you see,

Speaker 1 I mean, it is, it's cliche, but time, like, how do we get time? Every, I don't buy expensive shit, really. Like,

Speaker 1 I think when I first got money, I got some like watches or whatever. I think it was this like form of validating myself.
I think it was this like outside in.

Speaker 1 It was like, yeah, I've achieved some success. Let me get a fucking watch.
And like, I retrofitted this justification. I was like, oh, the gears are so nice.
It's like, come on, stop.

Speaker 1 It's not about that. But like

Speaker 1 time, everything I'll spend my time, it's like a trip, but the trip is soaking up this undivided time with family and friends.

Speaker 1 Everything is, how can I spend time with my family? I'm lucky I work with all my friends. My guy who does all my partnerships, I've known since I was 13 years old, my first friend in high school.

Speaker 1 My manager, who's just my partner, is my first friend from college. Everybody is family in the group, so I'm very lucky in that regard.
But how do we spend time?

Speaker 1 What do we do? And like, even I'm going to do press for this. And I'm like, okay,

Speaker 1 you got to, you got to go and you got to get the word out. Okay, that's going to be probably a month of going to get the word out, you know? Okay, that's time away.
How can I get that back?

Speaker 1 Okay, can I take a month off in summer and just lock in? How do I spend everything I've ever heard from parents is it goes fast.

Speaker 1 Old people talk about time in the way that young people talk about success and money.

Speaker 1 Old people don't really talk about success. And when they do, it's like, it's kind of weird.
Like they're not like, oh, I killed it in the market today or something like that.

Speaker 1 You're just like, oh, is that what you're excited about? And video went up. Like, who gives a fuck? Like,

Speaker 1 oh, I'm taking a trip with your mom and we're going to her favorite place, you know, and like everything is this reminder of time. You know, my.
My wife's mom has a, you know, disease.

Speaker 1 This is slowly killing her. It's this reminder of time.
My dad has dementia, this reminder of time, and it's fleeting.

Speaker 1 And like the memories that I'll have of my dad exist forever, but we'll never make new memories together, you know? And it's like,

Speaker 1 this is time, like, how much time do I have with him? How many actual days do I have with him?

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 yeah, I haven't fully processed like this, the importance of that. But

Speaker 1 yeah, it's just this, this, this, this amazing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, as I reflect back, like, I think I have lived a life where I like, I, I was able to soak up things with my friends, but like, I, I worked, I don't think I've ever not worked seven days, but like

Speaker 1 my 20s, I didn't celebrate a birthday. Like, I was just doing comedy on the road for no money.
Like, anybody would let me go on stage so I get better at the craft. Like, I, I still had fun.

Speaker 1 I went, I had a good time with my friend, but I wasn't like partying, partying like some of my friends were. Like, I would say when I was like on TV, I was like, my friends have way better sex lives.

Speaker 1 These guys are on fucking Tinder doing like, you know, having fivesoms and shit. And I'm just like trying to write jokes.

Speaker 1 And it was that, that that decade was sacrifice you know i didn't drink for like 10 years i was like i need to lock in i gotta

Speaker 1 gotta get good at this

Speaker 1 but yeah how can i

Speaker 1 i'm fortunate enough to like get a couple bucks and like have a family at 41 years old

Speaker 1 all right maybe we want to have another kid How can I organize the rest of my life so that I can just spend time?

Speaker 1 So I can go out to have a dinner with my wife and we're just fucking joking around and like looking at silly pictures of our daughter and busting balls.

Speaker 1 How do we have as many of those moments as i possibly can for the rest of my life how many times can i like peek die laughing with my friends like every once in a while you hit that moment where something stupid happens and like we are just on the floor laughing can i have a hundred more of those can i have a thousand more of those how can i organize my life so i can have as many of those as i possibly can and how can i not waste time with people i don't really care about i think it goes back to what you're saying it's like am i going to waste time on trying to deal with like what this person on the internet is saying?

Speaker 1 Or should I,

Speaker 1 you know, just read the same book to my daughter 20 times in a row? And like, I should do that, you know? Yeah. Time.
Every time. Everything that you say yes to is saying no to everything else.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So by committing to the argument on Twitter, that's a yes. Yeah.
And you have said no to every other experience that could be possible at that moment.

Speaker 1 And you're ignoring all the people that are supporting you. You're annoying all the people that are writing for you.
You're ignoring all the people like. To focus on the people that hate you.

Speaker 1 I could message back like the amount of people that send me like DMs about coming to the show, having no clue that it was about the IVF journey. And they're like struggling to get pregnant.

Speaker 1 And then they'll message me a year later and be like, hey, we just had our first kid. And like, it was really cool to see that.
And it made it a little more normal for us.

Speaker 1 So the people who went through it felt stigmatized. And then they realized it was, it's like actually something you can kind of laugh at.

Speaker 1 I should be, and I try to respond to every one of those before I respond to a single person reacting to some fake shit about me on the internet. They should be the the bottom of the barrel.
They are.

Speaker 1 So I've been, again, as somebody who, as of yet, hasn't reached the finish line with family, but is still in the race. You'll get there.
And then everything you know will go out the window.

Speaker 1 I just want to let you know. Because you've got the whole world worked out.
I know. You've done a lot of work on figuring it out.
And the second that baby comes, it's done.

Speaker 1 None of it makes sense.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I am ready for the eggs. I can't wait till that pod.
Once you have the baby, we got to have another eggs. We'll run it back.
But I've been thinking about this: that

Speaker 1 how does somebody like you, or

Speaker 1 maybe even more somebody like me who hasn't got to that finish line yet, how do you make sense of what you did to yourself for a couple of decades?

Speaker 1 Because I did something not too dissimilar with my work rate and it's still going and the grind and the drive and all the rest of the stuff.

Speaker 1 And I do get the sense that even if you retrospectively think, God, if I'd known what I know now about what's most important, I could have done that, what I should have, could have done that earlier.

Speaker 1 But then there's another bit of you that goes, how much did I develop into the person that can be the sort of parent I want to be financially, emotionally,

Speaker 1 in terms of closing all of the loops of life and saying, like, I did the things.

Speaker 1 I did the things. I fucking toured hundreds of dates for this thing about you, about you.

Speaker 1 And I got to not only create this beautiful tribute to you on stage, I also got to like fucking work it out of the system a little bit. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, I don't think you should regret a single thing in your life if

Speaker 1 it well

Speaker 1 the only thing i would say is like if you had a relationship that you thought had like a lot of promise and you're like hey i need to focus on work and you let it go that i would go that's potentially a regret

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 1 i didn't have any of those until i met my wife and i was like okay this is it we're gonna do this a hundred percent and

Speaker 1 So if

Speaker 1 you're not, there are some people that do that, though. They meet the person that might be like the one for them.

Speaker 1 I don't know if there's like a one, but there's somebody that they really connected with. It was beautiful and it would have worked.

Speaker 1 I always tell people that they're like, I don't know if I'm ready to have a kid yet. I'm like, that's fine.
That's fine. But if you do, it will work out.
Like

Speaker 1 you will manage it and it will make everything in your life that much better. I cannot impress that upon people more.

Speaker 1 So if you are, and I get the feeling of let me just make myself safe and protected, but you will do that naturally. There's an instinct like where they say every baby comes with a basket of bread.

Speaker 1 Is that the saying? Like, I mean,

Speaker 1 yeah, I think it's a biblical saying, but it's like

Speaker 1 you have a baby and all of a sudden like you start to make way more money than you used to. Abundance comes, it doesn't restrict your ability to do stuff.
It actually enables it. Yeah.
So interesting.

Speaker 1 But yeah, like it seems to me that from our conversation that like you haven't had that relationship in the past that you've shunned. So I wouldn't regret a single thing.

Speaker 1 Matter of fact, like when that relationship does present itself, hopefully it's the one you're in now. Who knows how that you know, flourishes or blossoms into something.
But like,

Speaker 1 if it is the thing,

Speaker 1 go,

Speaker 1 go.

Speaker 1 And go and fucking send it. And then have kids and just, they're awesome.
And

Speaker 1 I would love that to be part of like the masculinity conversation. I feel like me too.
I think I saw you writing some stuff. Maybe it was right.

Speaker 1 Maybe I was watching you something, but it was something about like

Speaker 1 there's a lot of talk about masculinity and like what we need to do and how we need to better ourselves. And oftentimes kids aren't put into that equation.
Did you, was that you posting about this?

Speaker 1 And I think that's a great take. Like I would love fatherhood and like what it means to be like a good, active father to be part of this

Speaker 1 idea of like the modern male.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 because I know the fathers I see out there that are really invested,

Speaker 1 I feel like they would really love to see that represented. That it's not just about like fucking, you know, your squats are a quarter or whatever.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 It's like, who gives a fuck how much you can squat? You know, the bank account or the follower number. Yeah, it's like,

Speaker 1 yeah, none of that shit matters. Like, when you see a dad that sucks with their kid, you know, you're not envious that they have a boat.
You're just like, you're a fucking loser.

Speaker 1 And then when you see those kids that hate their parents, you know what I mean? You're not envious of those parents at all. Regardless of what they've got.

Speaker 1 No, but when you see like the dad walk home and these videos of like the three kids run to the door, it's like impossible to not want a million kids. Did you see?

Speaker 1 I did this video fucking made me tear up the other day.

Speaker 1 It's a ring doorbell, or maybe like the inside of a house thing. And this little daughter must be three or something.

Speaker 1 And she says, Daddy, are you going to the gym? And he says, yeah, daddy's going to the gym. And she like turns away from him.
She goes, wow, I'm so proud of you. And the dad just freezes.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And he like picks her up. And I'm just like, holy fuck.
What are we doing? What are we doing that isn't just fucking, yo, this is the most pro-natalist

Speaker 1 podcast. We need that.
I think we need a lot. I mean, you know, Elon's got his version of saying it.

Speaker 1 And he's like very brutalist about it. He's like, oh, the population numbers or whatever.
That's not what's not what people react to. Like a video on the internet.

Speaker 1 I don't know if you saw the one where like the guy opens the door and he noticed there's all these cups that were placed in front of the door by his kids.

Speaker 1 He doesn't walk into them because he sees the cups and then he realizes that that was the prank. So then he like makes some noise or knocks on the door so the kids kids are ready and then closes.

Speaker 1 Then he closes the door, then it kind of like knocks on it or something like that, and then opens and they see him like fall into the cups. And the kids are going fucking crazy.
And you're like,

Speaker 1 that's, yeah, if there's one thing that I would love to love to promote, it is,

Speaker 1 it is, is that. Well, you've, you've, you've done it, man.

Speaker 1 I really, really am so proud of what you did with this new special. It's, it's really, really fucking special.
I'm proud of you, man. It's awesome to see what you've built.

Speaker 1 And I was really stoked to have this conversation with you. So thank you so much for taking the time, brother.
Me too. Life, stream it on Netflix right now.
Yeah, appreciate you.