New Schedules, New Popes and Fitz & Whit on Getting Ejected, Kelce House Parties and More | EP 139

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Speaker 1 Dude, anything that combines crackers, meat, cheese, and mustard, it doesn't matter what kind it is. You got Pepper Jack, you got Provolone.

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Speaker 1 Welcome back to New Heights

Speaker 1 92%er. How about a wondrous show?

Speaker 1 A wondrous show produced by Wave Sports and Entertainment and brought to you by Allstate.

Speaker 1 You're in good hands with Allstate. I'm Travis Kelsey.
This is

Speaker 1 Jason Kelsey, my big brother out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio. Shout out to the Cincinnati Bearcats.

Speaker 1 The fucking Cavs. God damn it.

Speaker 1 We're struggling right now. We're struggling down 3-1.
Is DraftKings sponsoring this episode? Yeah, so I made a real big error. By doing what? So the Cavs are down 0-2.

Speaker 1 And I put some cash into my DraftKings app. Hammer it.
Yeah. I put money into the DraftKings app thinking I was going to bet on the horses for the derby.

Speaker 1 And then I just had cash sitting around the DraftKings app.

Speaker 1 So, of course, I put that to work.

Speaker 1 And the Cavs are down 0-2. So I'm like, you know what? Good odds right now.
Good odds. I'm going to take him in this series.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Big disappointment last night.

Speaker 1 Down 41 and a half. Yeah, that was a good one.

Speaker 1 That was a struggle right there. In spite of.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're back in Cleveland.

Speaker 1 Next game, I think we're back in Cleveland. All right, here we go.

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Speaker 1 All right, we got a great episode coming live from New York City.

Speaker 1 We're going to break down all we know about the NFL schedule, which right now currently is nothing, spoiler alert, because as of this taping, the schedule comes out tomorrow.

Speaker 1 We'll get more to that later.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we've got two incredible guests with us. You might know them from their podcast, Fitz and Wit.

Speaker 1 But they're coming on our podcast as Ryan Fitzpatrick and Andrew Whitworth. That's right.
Two NFL legends, Walter Payton Man of the Year, and most teams played on in a career. They're both here today.

Speaker 1 That's no way that's true. I mean, it's got to be close.
At least least started on. How many teams, Brandon? Do you know? I think 13.
If it's 13, that's... It might be 15.
It's a lucky number.

Speaker 1 It is a good number. Rams, Bengals, Bills, Titans, Texans.
He asked for a number, Brandon. Dolphins, 9, Washington.
That's it? Oh, it felt like more. That's it.
Okay. Honestly, I thought it was more.

Speaker 1 He tricked me into saying 13.

Speaker 1 I'm a tricky guy. He tricked me into saying it.
All righty, but before they get here, we're going to start as we always start with a little bit of that.

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Speaker 1 All right, the NFL schedule release is here. Well, not officially as of this recording.
This is being recorded Monday. The schedule release is coming out tomorrow.

Speaker 1 We do know some details coming out, though, and we will comment on those right now. Eagles will open the season against the much-maligned Dallas Cowboys.
That's right.

Speaker 1 Some would call it America's team,

Speaker 1 but it's been a while since America's been great if that's America's team. So

Speaker 1 the Eagles are going to kick off the Cowboys at home for the 2025 season.

Speaker 1 Jerry Jones is going to be pretty pumped to see a banner come down in Philadelphia Eagles Lincoln financial field as they commemorate Super Bowl 59.

Speaker 1 That's an electric game to start the NFL season off. One of the oldest rivalries.

Speaker 1 I think that's true. It's definitely one of the most heated.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, there's babies born saying, fuck Dallas and Philadelphia.
I think it'll be a great game. A great game to see if

Speaker 1 Dallas is.

Speaker 1 Have they made some moves? Well, they drafted the kid, Tyler Booker, early to fix. Their offensive line has been having issues as they've lost Tyron Smith and now Mark.

Speaker 1 Is my guy Dak going to be back?

Speaker 1 I think so. Yeah, so they added Tyler Booker to kind of fix some of the offensive line issues they've been having.

Speaker 1 They had

Speaker 1 one of the best offensive lines in the NFL for about a decade when they Travis Frederick, Zach Martin, Tyron Smith.

Speaker 1 Now all those guys have moved on. Zach finally retired.
Congratulations, Zach. It feels great.
You're going to hate yourself a little bit, but you'll get over it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, fuck off. So they drafted that kid.
Hopefully, he can pan out for them, or hopefully not if you're an English fan.

Speaker 1 They also added George Pickens. Yeah, picks from Steelers.
They actually did make some moves, huh?

Speaker 1 Well, that's a big one to me because Pickens and CeeDee Lamb, that should help out Dak. Those are two good.
It's a combination right there. Oh, yeah.
It is. Yeah.
They got a good tight end.

Speaker 1 They got

Speaker 1 obviously a great defensive line.

Speaker 1 When you have an opening game, you want it to be one that people can get excited for.

Speaker 1 And Eagles, Cowboys, that's like you're going to like watching that on TV, you're going to feel the hatred and you're going to feel how intense these NFL teams hate each other.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think the NFL has done it right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Down 40.

Speaker 1 I think the NFL, ever since they've gone to this, like, whoever wins the Super Bowl, opens the season up, right? They've gone to that mold.

Speaker 1 The fact that the season is going to kick off with this big of a rivalry game, there's going to be a lot of noise around it. People are going to be talking crap all offseason leading up to it.

Speaker 1 It's going to be electric. Other big news, the other big rumor, I should say, is that the Chiefs are going to be opening their season against the Chargers in Brazil.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 this was posted by Yahoo Sports. Is that official?

Speaker 1 I don't know. It's kind of a yellow check mark.
Yellow checkmark's good and

Speaker 1 clear that it's kind of official, but it's still X.

Speaker 1 So you just have to. I mean, that's how everybody gets news these days.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're right. But it didn't come from the NFL.
It doesn't look like it. It didn't? It came from Eric Fisher, Front Office Sports.
So Yahoo Sports posted this from

Speaker 1 Front Office Sports, which is

Speaker 1 even more official. Front office, that's an official

Speaker 1 position.

Speaker 1 Oh, the NFL is closing in on an agreement. So it's not, it's, it is just that.
It's a rumor. Well, it says the Chargers will host the Chiefs in Sao Paulo in Brazil week one.

Speaker 1 This doesn't come out till Wednesday. Yeah.
Yeah, we're definitely playing in Brazil. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I also heard those rumors.

Speaker 1 So I can skip this next question. Travis, do you know anything? All right.
Should we take New Heights overseas? I mean, I'll be there. Not to do a podcast.
Not to do a podcast.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'll be there playing pretty busy in the fucking heat. I mean, we can still both be

Speaker 1 over there. I wanted to go last year when Philly played there.
By the way, the field was atrocious last year. Well, the old field thing.

Speaker 1 I mean, it was noticeably bad. The commentary.

Speaker 1 The guys are slipping all over.

Speaker 1 They were slipping all over. We played with our shoulders over our toes.
Yeah, I mean, listen, it's a fair point.

Speaker 1 It was a bad field. They weren't slipping in.

Speaker 1 Just letting you know, where are your seven studs? These guys were not slipping in New Orleans. Could we?

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, they're

Speaker 1 firm footing. Yeah, I was slipping in New Orleans.
Yeah, I might be able to hit both of these. This is pretty awesome.
Are you talking about Brazil? I don't know. That's a good question.

Speaker 1 There's just something about getting closer to the equator that I don't want to put on football uniform doing that. Especially in September.

Speaker 1 I've been in Jacksonville in September, and that's fucking miserable.

Speaker 1 Is Sao Paulo? Is that like by the water? Is it going to be? Sao Paulo, I don't believe. I think it's inland.

Speaker 1 I believe so that feels better i like that in my mind that more i'd rather it be dry than humid i'm a sweaty i i like when i'm there's definitely water around sao paulo but i think it's rivers or something like that right brandon can you do some geography for us

Speaker 1 there's rivers yeah there are rivers

Speaker 1 google map it there's a source of water i will say this if it's humid i'm gonna be miserable i'm gonna make i mean i'm gonna prepare to be miserable to be you're surrounded by the amazon rainforest this is a good point yeah there's a lot of about the yeah that whole thing they got down there um yeah no i'm if it's hot and humid and kind of what i'm expecting i'm gonna be miserable but we're gonna find a way to get a win you know okay brazil

Speaker 1 test yes what language do they speak in brazil portuguese

Speaker 1 do you know any portuguese words

Speaker 1 no

Speaker 1 All right, I went down there for the wood.

Speaker 1 That's Spanish? Fuck. What's Portuguese? It might be Portuguese too.
There's a lot of of crossover. Not really entirely sure which words do and don't.
I do know abnegadu is thank you. What about

Speaker 1 I think it's seveja is a beer, I believe. What? Nothing.
So yeah, it's going to be humid. I'm definitely going to have to ask the equipment guys to have a couple jerseys.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Definitely.

Speaker 1 Maybe three pairs of pants because I might go through a pair and warm-ups. Nice.
And definitely one for each. Disc and sweat, I'm assuming.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Nowadays, we can dry the gloves in between series, so I won't need too many of those. But definitely probably maybe four cleats.

Speaker 1 I might just go through a pair every like I'm going to be sweating so bad. Yeah, you are.

Speaker 1 I would be ready for all of that. And

Speaker 1 switching out your socks. Those shoes will get sticky.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I got to make thank you for your time. Nothing worse than

Speaker 1 soggy shoes. Dude, soggy shoes.
Step in the shoes and sweats coming out of the

Speaker 1 like a sponge. Well, you squeeze a sponge.

Speaker 1 I haven't been to Sao Paulo since I went for the World Cup. Yeah, you've been there.
Tell me about it. What do I got to look forward to? You know, I spent most of my time in Rio when I was down there.

Speaker 1 I was only in Sao Paulo for one game. The stadium was great.
The game was fantastic, but as a city, I don't remember much of Sao Paulo. Kind of just felt like another

Speaker 1 major metropolitan area. Stadium was dope.
Although the grass last year, again, was terrible. So hopefully they fixed that this year.

Speaker 1 Also, we also have the holiest of new news to switch gears here. We got a new pope.
That's right. Since we last recorded, we have officially got the first ever United States of America Pope.

Speaker 1 Did you know that? Yeah, I've heard the news. Okay, so it's not just.
He's finest, I heard. Apparently, it isn't that new of a news if we know it.
He also, do you know he's Delco's finest?

Speaker 1 Spent time in Delaware County, Philadelphia. Okay, now.
Yeah. Is there some like

Speaker 1 how like, you know, somebody would go to the NFL? Is there like, I actually do.

Speaker 1 You go to like a really prestige high school, then you go to like Alabama or the SEC, and then you go, is there like something in Delaware County that's like the SEC of Catholicism?

Speaker 1 There is actually a very historic, notable seminary school there. I don't remember what it's called.
I've driven past it. It's gorgeous.
It's right next to Villanova's campus. Okay.

Speaker 1 It's probably called

Speaker 1 or something. Huh? Pre-Pope? Yeah.
Well, this is the first Pope ever, so it's probably not called Pre-Pope. But there are a lot of diocese and clergy folk that come from that.

Speaker 1 Do you know, like, the qualifications for a pope? For a pope? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Probably have to be a bishop. I don't know.
Is that how it works? I'm not Catholic. Neither of us are Catholic, so it's hard to know this.
I want to know how a young lad from the streets of Chicago.

Speaker 1 Well, you got to be pretty devout

Speaker 1 all the way over.

Speaker 1 Got to be pretty devout. Obviously, you can't have sex.
That's a big rule. It's a big one.
It's one of the ones that I remember.

Speaker 1 Somebody getting out of Chicago without that. Yeah.
I mean, you want to leave Chicago if you're not.

Speaker 1 Honestly, they're probably like, he made it out of Chicago without any intercourse. This guy can do anything.
Yeah, this guy's convicted.

Speaker 1 This guy, not getting distracted one bit. He is locked in.
Yeah. This fucker is locked in.

Speaker 1 He believes that. And in the 90s, when the Bulls were fucking studs.
What do you think he's going to fuck Michael Jordan? What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 Dude, the city was magical. It was electric.

Speaker 1 We went to ESPN Zone around those days. At ESPN Zone.
It was fucking good. That was sick.
That was sick. They also had a Disney Quest, I believe, in Daniel.
They did. Yeah, that was fun.

Speaker 1 That was epic. I don't remember getting any pussy, but it was a lot of great time.
It was everywhere, I remember.

Speaker 1 All righty, Travis, back at Tight End U.

Speaker 1 Attending the fourth annual Tight NU in Nashville, Tennessee. Yeah, a summit for the best position in football.
Okay. The greatest position ever created.
It's kind of more tight defend. The most

Speaker 1 ambiguous position ever created. It's like a...
We get to do everything, Jason. It's our fourth year doing it in an old Nash Vegas, Nashville, Tennessee.
Nice.

Speaker 1 Vanderbilt's always been kind in letting us use their facilities and get just north of 80 tight ends throughout the league to come up,

Speaker 1 spread the wisdom, and just have a good old time. Is it only NFL tight ends?

Speaker 1 Yeah, pretty much. No college tight ends? Not that I know of, no.
No kids. I mean...
What do you guys not like kids? No. Who does a football camp without fucking kids? Tight end you.

Speaker 1 What do you guys talk? You guys talk about my guy Greg Olson. Tight ending.
George Kittle. The Kittle, the entire Kittle family really helps out doing Rubicon sports.
Shout out to Rubicon.

Speaker 1 Yeah, everybody's. We always raise funds for the Boys and Girls Club.

Speaker 1 There's a kids.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And we do end up bringing kids in there for a little camp.
You just don't tell them anything about Tight End? Correct. Job security.
It's all fun at that age. It's all fun at that age.

Speaker 1 What is one thing you've learned at Tight End U? One thing I've learned at Tight End U. That you're willing to share.
You've been there three times. For a guy like me,

Speaker 1 it's more just like reassurance. Sure.
You know,

Speaker 1 hearing Gronk up there two years ago talk about his mentality, how he would get on the same page page with Tom Brady and stuff like that. That was really valuable and stuck with me.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 How did you get on the same page? Well, just one, a lot of work. There's a lot of time spent, you know, finding your way out there to practice.
I think Julian Eldman said it the best.

Speaker 1 He like, he, when he couldn't go out there and practice, he was like, man, I just, I can't be at the top of my game for the people around me. So it was like, that in itself

Speaker 1 was like reassurance. And then hearing

Speaker 1 Gronk up there talking about that and talking about his mentality on the field and just trying to to be the best teammate he possibly could for the guys around him.

Speaker 1 I think that really uh, I don't know,

Speaker 1 made sense in my head and I connected it. Cool.
You're trying to come out the tight end you for a day? I can't. I want to.
It's in between. Run around.
Run around.

Speaker 1 Pitch. I would love to.
Run some routes. See if you, I mean, you're down late.
What are you down right now, dude? Look at these. Look at this guy.
I'm about 270 right now, I think. 270?

Speaker 1 That's why I played last year. You can play tight end.

Speaker 1 Can't. No.
My ankles and knees and back won't let me. No, that that it's getting bad that's just your mind i don't know if it's like the moment you retire mentally your body retires too physically

Speaker 1 because i'm just like strong i'm trying to lift weights when you were playing and you were saying the same thing yeah but now it's like actually an issue yeah my ankle playing golf last week is inflamed i can't squat now because my ankle hurts yeah i can't bench because i sprained my patch you wear flip-flops when you play golf no i was playing the wearing the g-force shout out to g4 free marketing Good for you guys.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

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Speaker 1 the people who wear your shoes, their ankles hurt. That's a good point.
I guess it's not the best.

Speaker 1 Sorry, GeForce. I got some good ones for you.
Do you? Yeah. All right, cool.
I'll pub it even more.

Speaker 1 We got some fun events this year for not just tight ends in the NFL, for everybody around the Nashville area. You guys are doing stuff with kids.
What the fuck? Why are you doing it? Not with kids.

Speaker 1 This is, I'm a little bit more. Who are you doing it with then?

Speaker 1 Fans of the NFL.

Speaker 1 Yeah, tight ends. That's too many.
Fans of tight ends fans of tight ends or nobody

Speaker 1 that was up

Speaker 1 i'm not gonna do this because i like creed

Speaker 1 i like creed so i'm not even gonna fucking throw shade at you

Speaker 1 you throw a ball through your legs jason through

Speaker 1 through touch a ball every snap

Speaker 1 who's more important you apparently do every snap you gotta apparently throw it you could five yards in between legs without looking and then blocking

Speaker 1 just find a way to get it to the quarterback here

Speaker 1 it's a big third down all righty we got the garage beer caddy contest i don't know if you guys know this but travis and i golf in an event out in to

Speaker 1 california called the american century classic

Speaker 1 last year my caddy was none other than our own intern brandon

Speaker 1 travis always has our hometown friend caddy

Speaker 1 finished last last year third third to list did you really

Speaker 1 don't shortchange me. Don't.

Speaker 1 My first year, I think I was down there too. Listen, I got Reddit working on fixing my golf swing, so look out.
So Travis always has our good friend Pat Bacon as his caddy. Patty Bakes.

Speaker 1 For City Insurance. Cleveland's finest, baby.
We did decide to do a fun garage.

Speaker 1 He's bringing great vibes. All right.

Speaker 1 But we are doing a little contest this year. We're doing a garage beer caddy contest.
We thought not only do we have our bags that need to be be caddied, we also need a beer caddy.

Speaker 1 I think we might be inventing it. I've never really heard of it, but I'm excited to unleash this and we're looking for your help.

Speaker 1 We need somebody to caddy our beer for all three days of the American, is it just one day?

Speaker 1 For however many days are stipulated by the terms of the contract, we need you to carry beer for us, help us drink it. I kind of do, I think it'd be cool if they carried it like in the

Speaker 1 like the cups, like the

Speaker 1 old stadium beer guys, you got the harness around your shoulders and you're carrying like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, not like a cooler, just have a tray of beers.

Speaker 1 That'd be pretty dope.

Speaker 1 It would be pretty dope. Are we allowed to do this with garage beer? Have we talked to anybody over there? I'm assuming somebody cleared it.
Nobody cleared any of this.

Speaker 1 This is hilarious. We'll find out.
They have their own sponsors.

Speaker 1 I think we need to

Speaker 1 check with American Century. Nobody said anything yet.

Speaker 1 This guy is... Why are you acting me? I'm just reading what's on the thing.
There's a whole sign. This is your idea.
It's not my idea.

Speaker 1 Well, this is our idea.

Speaker 1 This is Garage Beer's idea. So we're all in on it.

Speaker 1 We had a beer caddy last year. Jonathan Thomas's son.
Yes. Shout out to JT.
Yes. And the son.
Well, if he wants to, I mean, listen, if you want to apply, you can be the caddy again.

Speaker 1 This is crazy. I thought this was just to be your caddy.
No, I didn't know this was a beer caddy. No, beer caddy.
This is specifically just to carry beers.

Speaker 1 And if we can't do garage beers, we'll just do cups. They don't want to, I mean, if there's like a sponsorship infringement, then you just, it's just liquid.
Glad we thought about this. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think it'll work. You can do it for Jason.
All right. So this is to be Jason's beer caddy, who will also be playing with Travis.

Speaker 1 No affiliation. Everybody American's History had nothing to do with this.
It's all Jason. All right.
That's fine. I'll take it.
All right. Film Club reminder.

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Very overrated, by the way, right?

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There will be a review, and we will be reviewing The Hotness of Wendy Peppercorn now.

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Speaker 1 Our guests today are here. They have combined for 33 seasons in the NFL.
That's fucking insane. Fuck.
33 seasons in the NFL.

Speaker 1 Together, they have two first team all-pros, four Pro Bowls, or Walter Payton Man of the Year, a Super Bowl championship, and they hold the franchise record for five different NFL teams. God damn.

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Speaker 1 92% of us, please welcome the hosts of the Fitz and Witch Show, Ryan Fitzpatrick Fitzpatrick and Andrew Whitworth. Did I get that order right? Is it Fitz and Wit?

Speaker 1 Fitz and Wit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, some say Fitzinspin. I didn't know.

Speaker 1 I wanted to make that. Thank you, Presenters, to say that.

Speaker 1 Well done. Thanks for joining me, guys.
Thanks for joining us. Fuck yeah.
We got the NFL schedule. That is the brand new part that has come out.

Speaker 1 You guys are on the Black Friday game. Is that right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Black Friday game.
Now, we wanted to ask. We are headed to Philadelphia.
You're coming to Philly. We're coming to Philly.
For Black Friday.

Speaker 1 I wasn't asking for advice. I just want to stay at your house if you don't mind.
Even better than advice.

Speaker 1 Now, I also want to bring my family. We got a whole, we got all rooms.
How many is it? Seven, seven. It should be 11 kids between the two of us, if you don't mind.

Speaker 1 Sounds like a good time. The only thing with Fitz coming to the house, you just got to make sure the attic is locked.
Okay. Because he will find his way

Speaker 1 into your attic. And he will just start bringing things down.
uh i still wear that t-shirt quite a bit

Speaker 1 now i heard though that that mural that somebody had given you is now gone is that not part of it yeah i didn't make it past that i actually realized that okay people can go in my attic and grab that i need to get rid of that yeah i want to apologize for that

Speaker 1 yeah i apologize for

Speaker 1 it was our first thursday night game ever yep epic and it was the chargers i think and the chiefs yeah

Speaker 1 and we went over to trav's house afterwards and had a grand old time it was

Speaker 1 some bangers after the games. Had some bangers.
There was not a lot of furniture in the house, but there was a lot of things that we got into in the end. Yeah, yeah.
T-shirts.

Speaker 1 The basketball. The basketball hoop in the living room.
Living room. We put some holes through the walls playing two-on-two and that thing.

Speaker 1 Not this time when they were there, but in other parties, yeah.

Speaker 1 It can get rowdy. It was a funny party.
It can get rowdy. Played a little flip-cup, little, yeah.

Speaker 1 It was meant for after-game parties. Yeah.
Okay. That's why there wasn't a lot of furniture.
I don't want people sitting around. Yeah.
You're getting active. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're here to fucking party or you're not. You're shooting for it.
There are two colors.

Speaker 1 We knew when we walked in and he had a full-time bartender. It wasn't just for that night.
He was there every day.

Speaker 1 Do you remember the bartender's name?

Speaker 1 Reggie. I'm going to guess.

Speaker 1 Dude, Reggie or Harry? I didn't know which one I was going to do.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Red Reg, great guy.
So, Chicago at Philly. You guys are welcome to stay.
Okay, thank you. 15 of us.
Do you guys like the Black Friday game? This is the second year they're doing that, right?

Speaker 1 Third. Third year? Third year? I like this the Black Friday game.
Yeah, I think it's great.

Speaker 1 Yeah, obviously, I mean, obviously, we're used to Thursday nights, but Friday during the day kind of change up and get a little Thanksgiving action in whatever city we're in.

Speaker 1 And that's where we're, you know, looking forward to the meal that's going to be provided at the Kelsey House. So, we will get it.
Yeah, yeah, room for 15. Really easy.
I got a turkey fryer. Okay.

Speaker 1 Every year I leave the oil in it, and I have to get another turkey fryer.

Speaker 1 I do the same thing.

Speaker 1 I take a power washer like the next year and try to get everything out of there.

Speaker 1 No chance. Just order another.

Speaker 1 there,

Speaker 1 yeah,

Speaker 1 killing me.

Speaker 1 That's how you know the things are working because you just eat the turkey and you just sit there and you just get lazy,

Speaker 1 you just get heavy, and you're just Thanksgiving. I'm not about to go clean that fucking thing out right now.
I'm going to do it another day.

Speaker 1 And then that other day just never comes. Yeah, it doesn't.
It doesn't.

Speaker 1 You guys also have Christmas Day?

Speaker 1 You want to tell, you want to break the news to Trav?

Speaker 1 Well, here's the best news: we get Thanksgiving at one Kelsey, and we get Christmas at another. Oh!

Speaker 1 Christmas in Kansas City!

Speaker 1 Christmas in Kansas City! You're going to lock the attic this time. Yeah, no, you're kidding me.
No, you already know. You can.
Okay. This is actually a bigger ask.

Speaker 1 This is a bigger ask because Christmas is used for kids. Yeah.
You know it. Well, we don't get a store gift.
Santa just needs to know where to go.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I got, yeah. I mean, we got chimneys.
Okay. Okay.
Yeah. We got chimneys.

Speaker 1 We got chimneys. Yeah.
And we got furniture.

Speaker 1 Do you really? Yeah. Did you make those decisions or had that?

Speaker 1 It was an executive decision by myself for the betterment of everyone, yes. Okay.

Speaker 1 I was like, I need some furniture. So, I don't know what time that game is at yet.
Yeah, I don't will be the last game of the day. So, will we do Christmas morning together or

Speaker 1 prepping for the game? How is it? It's a big Christmas breakfast, yeah. Christmas breakfast.
Okay. Last year, I think we were obviously in Pittsburgh, but it was a day game.
So, I don't know how.

Speaker 1 But that was Netflix. yeah good point netflix good point yeah we're not we don't talk about that good point so nice we'll talk about them

Speaker 1 yeah we're excited a little christmas even though we got we got the who do we play broncos at chiefs broncos god damn they're getting good too they are getting good they're getting good they'll be a banger we beat them by a block field goal last year down to the wire and then they smoked us when

Speaker 1 we didn't play them last week of the season well we don't count well you played them yeah we played we don't count those

Speaker 1 you could have set the nfl record. Oh, yeah.
Well, 17 games is different. Don't count it.
All right. Well, where do we want to, guys? We want to start podcasting.
How's the podcast going?

Speaker 1 It's rough.

Speaker 1 No way, dude. It's not great, guys.

Speaker 1 Great social clips. No, yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, we had a good first season. First season rap.

Speaker 1 First season rap.

Speaker 1 We did 25 episodes. Really, they put out a feeler to say, is this going to work or not?

Speaker 1 Who are these people? Yeah, but we do have season two coming up and I think it works. Yeah, it works.
Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 We're back, baby. But it'll be somewhere around when the NFL season starts up.
So you guys are completely done podcasting from now until the start of the season? That's what they said.

Speaker 1 Why have we not tried this model? This is a really good model.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I think you guys have proven yourselves that people want the content.
They need the content. It's a little different.
Yeah. Well, Summer's Off sounds pretty nice.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 we were talking about how you could have played Guard in Another

Speaker 1 before the show. Who was talking about?

Speaker 1 And I just want to kind of get into it. What do you think would have made you a good guard? I think right now I've always had a big butt.
So I feel like the squats is part of it. That's good bases.

Speaker 1 Your foundation.

Speaker 1 How's your ankle flexibility? Pretty good. Pretty good.
Yeah, pretty good.

Speaker 1 I didn't want to insult you by saying, oh, I'd play some, but I feel like it'd be more of a natural center, though.

Speaker 1 I was going to say, what is your

Speaker 1 on the importance of you playing playing well? How important is having a good center on a scale of one to 10?

Speaker 1 I would say

Speaker 1 I'm going to put it at about an eight. Really? Yeah.
I thought you were going to lowball it. No.
It was very important because. Was the center doing much work for you?

Speaker 1 So it depended where I was, right? And so I bumped around quite a bit.

Speaker 1 Now, when I got to, say, New York and Nick Mangold was there, I wasn't coming in and being like, all right, Nick, this is my show.

Speaker 1 Bam, Damn, they got the knock. So, so, in that sense, the center can take a lot off your plate, right? And that being said, there's also times where

Speaker 1 there's some arguments in-game of you saw this, I saw that.

Speaker 1 But the blitz meetings and things throughout the week, if you've got a good center that's on it and he's training the other guys, that thing goes really smooth.

Speaker 1 So, he takes a lot of work off of my plate for sure. I would love to follow up with that one.
Were you ever wrong when those conversations got healed?

Speaker 1 I like this follow-up. You guys have to have Nick on.

Speaker 1 You know, I was only wrong with protections once in my career, once, and I slid the line everybody one way, and London Fletcher came the other way and fractured six of my ribs.

Speaker 1 I would argue you were wrong twice.

Speaker 1 So I was wrong twice.

Speaker 1 The first time I was wrong, Witt and I were teammates. There you go.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 I appreciate it. Now he's being honest.
Now we can get to it. This had nothing to do with a protection call on the field.
It had to do with what happened after

Speaker 1 a play happened. Okay.
You guys remember Big John Henderson? Oh, my God. Big Bad John.
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 2008. Cincinnati Bengals are 0-8.

Speaker 1 We're 0-8 at the time. Playing the Jacksonville Jaguars at home, and I was a young guard trying to prove myself.
Fresh off of him getting slapped.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Pre-fresh off the slap.
He's getting slapped. You know how this goes.
The skill guys, Chad Johnson and TJ Hushmanzada, decide during the TV timeout. We're beating Jacksonville.

Speaker 1 They were pretty good that year to start talking trash to Big Bad John. Yeah, that's exactly right.
He gets riled up, so we start getting in some full-on swinging sessions.

Speaker 1 That leads to an all-out brawl. Me and him going, helmets ripped off.
We're fighting across the field. That's a lot of trap.
What am I supposed to do? We both get ejected.

Speaker 1 We both get ejected. It's kind of my claim to fame.
After that moment, I became the captain.

Speaker 1 That's kind of the, like, that I became the captain of Cincinnati Bengals from that moment on, basically, because we were 0-8.

Speaker 1 I had kind of called out the team on the Saturday walkthrough about being soft.

Speaker 1 We were kind of acting like some bitches, and I've never been anywhere where I accepted losing. And so said this, going the next day, getting this huge fight, get ejected out of the game.

Speaker 1 We win the game. Come in on Monday.
Yeah, huge win. That was my first year.
That was my first win as a starter, too. First win as a starter, Ryan Fitzpatrick.

Speaker 1 So there's a lot of, you know, congratulations going around. Fence is happy.
OC stands up and he goes, The only thing I do want to talk about, we come in on Wednesday.

Speaker 1 We got our fines in from the fights. Oh, you know, back then they did the halo rule.
If you were within the halo of the fight, you got fined. Yeah.
10 guys on offense got fined, guys.

Speaker 1 There's only one guy on the offense that didn't get fined. Now, hard tape.

Speaker 1 Call yourself a guard. Just run into the sideline.

Speaker 1 Run into the sideline.

Speaker 1 Fight there by throwing hands in the middle of the hand. Just run into the sideline.

Speaker 1 I told you before this started, I ran a 4-8-8. Remember? That day it was like a 4-6.

Speaker 1 John Henderson's bigger than he is. Yeah, he's right.
What am I going to do? Seriously, what am I going to do? Yeah. My man got up out of there.
Yeah. It wasn't good.

Speaker 1 So he's been wrong with protection twice. He'll never let me live that down.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 Damn, that's a great story. Oh, I would top that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, now there's no halo rule, though, you would have been in there. Yeah, for sure.
Thank you. For sure.
Well, and I have, towards the end of my career, I had more money, right? So

Speaker 1 I kind of was like, all right. So, I mean, it's a lot of money.
But like my rookie year, I made 230. So I didn't know if it was going to last, how many years I would be there.

Speaker 1 So more willing to write that check. Yeah.
For sure. Yeah.
Makes sense. Let's talk small hands.
Let's talk small hands.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there was a tweet that came out. Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacco doing the exact same pose at the top of their drop with the ball right here.
You got to do Kenny Pickett like that.

Speaker 1 Joe Flacco's hands

Speaker 1 are fucking enormous. Yeah, just because Joe has monster hands, don't go after Kenny.
Have you guys ever heard the term dick beaters? Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Joe's got some dick beaters.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 He can touch his palm around that thing.

Speaker 1 I apologize. It is insane.

Speaker 1 I've heard the term, though. What are you working with? What's Good.
So

Speaker 1 I had to do this hand. Do you mind? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, yeah, man.
So here's the thing.

Speaker 1 So my thumb stretches down.

Speaker 1 You have a weird thumb. Thank you.
What's going on with that thumb?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I have to say this.
So the way they measure the hand is from that pinky all the way to the end of the stretch. And so I dislocated this pinky, so it's not as good as it once was.

Speaker 1 But I had the third biggest hand at the combine in 2005. Wow.
No, in 2005. Oh, Justin.
Not just quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 Of everybody. But the reason being is my thumb goes down.
He's good dick beaters. Yeah.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 He's got it.

Speaker 1 Anyways.

Speaker 1 I also wanted to get a get because he's wearing a glove. Kenny's wearing a glove.
He's like notorious. He's been wearing it since college.
Yeah. Entire career.

Speaker 1 Peyton Manning actually, I believe, set the NFL record wearing a glove in 2015. Yeah.
Have you like, do you like wearing

Speaker 1 gloves?

Speaker 1 I'll say this. So Kurt Warner went to it too towards the end of his career.
When I got to Buffalo, I dabbled just to see. I could have sworn.

Speaker 1 So I had to wear one on my left hand because I tore some ligaments in my thumb, but I couldn't do it on my right hand. I hated it.
I absolutely hated. Rain, rain, I hated it so much.

Speaker 1 I tried a glove on my right hand for like two years, and I had to. Just the feel.
Well, did you ever see that? Snaps kind of work together.

Speaker 1 No, I try to go full glove. Yeah.
Really bad. By the way, can we talk about your snaps real fast? How do you know about my snaps? Jason, I mean,

Speaker 1 I used to watch Spill and be like, holy

Speaker 1 rocket shot.

Speaker 1 I watched it tape.

Speaker 1 When Jalen Hurts had to switch his stance to this. Yeah, I know.
I felt. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, you would fire that pigskin back there. I need to hang back.

Speaker 1 I need to start blocking this big boy. Speaking of guards, I'm pretty sure I just ripped my jeans.
Did you really? Yeah, I'm pretty sure I did. All right.

Speaker 1 Well, let's just remain seated for the remainder of this. Oh, who's talking? I can see her.

Speaker 1 So, anyways,

Speaker 1 what is the, so are there measurements that, like, do you, what do you take away from the hand measurement test? Do you think there's validity to that? Yeah, anything you care about in a quarterback?

Speaker 1 Well, I'll say this.

Speaker 1 Somebody like Josh Allen, like he's built to play football in bad weather, right? Just body type, hand size,

Speaker 1 where he's from, like, just kind of his overall attitude. Um, so yes, I there's some validity in the hand size thing for sure, but more of it is that the inability to stretch the thumb out, yeah.
Um,

Speaker 1 but yes, for sure, and then it really comes to fruition when you're in those bad weather games, when you play in a Pittsburgh or even a Philly or Buffalo, and you're playing in the elements all the time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, now, if you know, last year, Jared Goff, I don't have no idea what his hands are like, but like they played in a dome so many times, so you're in those perfect conditions and it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 But it seems like, and you guys can tell me because I've never been, but playoff football, the elements seem to.

Speaker 1 You don't have any experience on it? I don't. Are there any measurements, though, when you look at it where you're like, this is an immediate red flag with a quarterback?

Speaker 1 Like, if I look at a taggle and his arms are, if it says 32. Wait, is that? I'm like very skeptical on whether they can play.

Speaker 1 Your LSU guy, what were his arms? Will, yeah, I think he was 32-ish. Was it 32 and a half or 32? Somewhere in there.
And half makes a big difference, as everyone knows.

Speaker 1 Half to three-quarters is a big deal. I want to say he was somewhere in the 32 to 33, right?

Speaker 1 This is just... Yeah, we're going off the rails.
Shorts, we're talking about dick beaters. All right.
I will say that

Speaker 1 something that didn't matter as much, which was like 40 time and agility,

Speaker 1 that matters a whole lot more now. Especially with the systems that are out there.
The systems, the way guys play,

Speaker 1 the way defenses are playing. I think that matters quite a bit now, now, more than it used to.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 What do you think about the arm length measurement for tackles? So much goes into what is their style of play, like how do they play and what their other attributes are.

Speaker 1 So, like if I think they have awesome feet, like a great anchor, those kind of things, I don't think it means as much to me because that just means they need to develop a toolbox that says, all right, I'm going to get long arms.

Speaker 1 I'm going to have to get hands off of me. I'm going to have to figure out how to get those hands off and use my feet to make some of these balls.
Like more aggressive short setting?

Speaker 1 Yeah, like you look at some of these guys that love to to jump, love to get on a guy, like that, that length doesn't matter in that setting. Now, do you have really strong hands?

Speaker 1 So I always say this, like regardless of what it is, if you know what you're good at, and are you able to develop those things to be your strength, right?

Speaker 1 And so if you have shorter arms, then you've got to develop the trait to get on guys faster.

Speaker 1 You got to develop great hand strength so that when you do get your hands in there, they're never coming off.

Speaker 1 And so your ability to be able to kind of fine-tune what it is you are will dictate that success level.

Speaker 1 So I say this with O-lime and like we can get into measurements a lot of the times, but like number one one thing I want to know is: are they one of those people who are like, I'm going to chase it guy?

Speaker 1 Like, fuck it. I'm going to chase whatever it is that makes me good.
I'm going to chase that shit every day. So, like, to me, Will Campbell, he's driven that way.

Speaker 1 Like, he is a, I'm going to figure out a way to be freaking good. We're from the same hometown.
All right, I've known him since he's a kid. Like,

Speaker 1 he's grew up playing high school football and the elements of what New England's going to be like, playing in bush. Like, he's going to be one of those people.

Speaker 1 I must be thinking of like Taylor LeWan when he's in Tennessee. Like, he's going to be an attitude.

Speaker 1 I'm New England. I'm a patriot.
Vrabel's going to be the guy pushing his buttons.

Speaker 1 I think it's just the perfect scenario for a guy like Will to go there. Did you hear about Brabes

Speaker 1 running like one-on-one drills with him? Yeah. Dirt in his.
Yeah, I saw all the pictures. I actually posted the other day and I was like, I love this.

Speaker 1 That's what I dreamed of. When he went there, I'm like, all right, Vrabel's got his Taylor LeWont.
Like, this kid's going to come and he's going to be like, hey, dude, don't worry about it.

Speaker 1 Not that you're against the vets, but you come in. I don't want you to be nasty.
I want you to finish people.

Speaker 1 I'm going to be in your ear all the time. You're going to come in and be the tone setter for our group.

Speaker 1 Because you may not come in as a young offensive lineman and take over the room from a leadership standpoint, but you can come in and be like, I'm going to bring some attitude to this group.

Speaker 1 And I tell the funny story about 08 and Cincinnati and all that, but that was what I was. I was a young kid trying to find my way.
And I was like, you know what? I do like to do.

Speaker 1 I love to fight and get into it and tussle. And I'm scared of nobody.
So this will be my role. My first couple of years, when I get on the field, like I'm going to bring it.

Speaker 1 We're going to finish plays. I'm going to get guys pissed off.
Like two weeks after that. Henderson game, I played Albert Hainsworth.
That was the year he's got his contract with the Tennessee Titans.

Speaker 1 God damn. He got pulled out of the game in the first quarter because we were fighting every play.
And Washburn was losing his mind because he wasn't rushing. He was just swinging with me.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because I would just start every game, like, hey, let's just get into fights. Get in his head.
Right. And so he pulled him out of the game.
So that was my thing as a young player.

Speaker 1 And I think Will will be that kind of guy. He's going to come in with an attitude and try to finish, guys.
Can I ask questions to Willie? Yeah, this is great. This is so great.
So later, later.

Speaker 1 No, I'm just asking later in your career, were you like, like when you were at the Rams, were you like that, or were you more of a finesse guy?

Speaker 1 You know what's funny?

Speaker 1 I don't know if I just looked old and miserable, but guys didn't really mess with me so it was just uh you had the reputation i didn't i had the reputation you know there's not a lot of walter payton men in the years have been ejected twice

Speaker 1 you know

Speaker 1 kind of goes with the award no symbolizes the sportsmanship of the game it's like hey listen this guy's really nice but maybe he's so nice because he's that fucking crazy that i don't want to mess with him you know

Speaker 1 that was kind of it i always say my favorite story we're playing in washington against the commanders and it was chase young was a rookie and i'm in a tv timeout and I see him talking to Monte Sweat and he's like, Then he starts laughing.

Speaker 1 He's like, Finally, he goes, Hey, hey, big fella. Like, I'm looking at him.
He goes, You really 39?

Speaker 1 I'm like, Yes. He's like, Holy shit.

Speaker 1 He was like, Man, I can't believe I'm going against this dude who's just 39. And you remember, I always faced out.
So I stared at whoever I played the whole time. I never turned into a huddle.

Speaker 1 So I would be staring at him the entire game. So he's like, This 39-year-old dude looks old as shit.
It's just staring at me all game. Like, I find a way to talk to him.

Speaker 1 He's like, Are you actually 39, man? Hilarious. Yes.
He's never looked in the huddle. Nope.
Time out. Is this a rule or is this just an Andrew Whitworth? What I've always did.

Speaker 1 The only other guy I had like that, you remember big Willie Cologne? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but Willie, towards the end of his career, he just didn't want to have to, that extra step he had to take to turn around.

Speaker 1 He was always so simple.

Speaker 1 He was just trying to limit his footsteps up to the ball.

Speaker 1 I got a quick question.

Speaker 1 So obviously, you spend most of your career in Cincinnati, St. Louis, or or not St.
Louis, Los Angeles Rams. Your training camps,

Speaker 1 I don't know where they were when you were there. It just came out that the Rams are going to Maui.
Oh, Minicamp. Mini camp.
Minicamp there. Yeah.
We were always there.

Speaker 1 They've been talking because these new partnerships you see the teams having where they're going, you know, trying to get out of the U.S. and develop all these partnerships across the world.

Speaker 1 Part of theirs is Australia and then obviously Hawaii and so on the way. And so I think this year was like a big emphasis.
They want to move minicamp there. So that'd be pretty cool.

Speaker 1 Like, I mean, you always hated having to go to mandatory minicamp, but mandatory minicamp in Maui sounds kind of sweet. So I'm actually, I'm going to go with them.

Speaker 1 So I'll get a chance to get on the team.

Speaker 1 I'm going to take a great team. You know, just a great teammate.

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Speaker 1 I don't know if Matthew can figure out how to get on the golf course. I can help him get out there.
I thought Andrew came on this trip. He hasn't been to practice one time.

Speaker 1 Stafford and I'll just go play golf.

Speaker 1 It's just like when we used to do the Pro Bowl in Hawaii, right, guys? Dude,

Speaker 1 you remember that?

Speaker 1 Well, never.

Speaker 1 I never did it. I visited when Andrew and Travis were in it.
Yeah, that was epic. I got to hang out in the pool.

Speaker 1 It was the best, though, Turtle Bay.

Speaker 1 Forgetting Sam Marshall. Yeah.
Oh, wow. What was it like going from Cincinnati's offense to the new Sean McVay style, like run, play action heavy? It was beautiful.

Speaker 1 I mean, living in a world with Hugh Jackson and Jay Gruden where it's like, you know, a lot of empty and

Speaker 1 a lot of stuff where you're just in drop back protection all the time to all of a sudden like, hey, we're going to run, run, play action, only throw, you know, really in situations the team forces to to drop back pass was absolutely beautiful.

Speaker 1 Not to mention, like, small thing, being that, I was 35 years old.

Speaker 1 So, going from playing on turf every week as a home game to now I played in a division, when you think about that at that time, it's like

Speaker 1 San Francisco, Arizona, and then LA, all grass. And then Seattle is your only turf field, but it's a pretty nice turf.
So, really, I go to a situation where I'm playing tons of grass games.

Speaker 1 Like, I was like, dude, I feel totally different. It's warmer, obviously.
That was

Speaker 1 a pretty epic move. I mean, playing West Coast was pretty insane.
You don't like turf? I fucking hate it, man.

Speaker 1 You feel terrible.

Speaker 1 It's night and day. As soon as we moved to SoFa, like, obviously, SoFa is amazing, but just the feel you have walking in on Monday compared to walking in off that grass on a Sunday.

Speaker 1 That's night and day. I can't practice the week after I play at Turf.
You like turf? I loved it when I was young. I didn't, I never noticed the difference.
Never noticed it.

Speaker 1 I don't know what to tell you. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I didn't really do that much running. You did lead a team in rushing, though.
I did.

Speaker 1 That's so insane.

Speaker 1 How many yards do you have again uh like 236 or something big rushing attack that's got to be that's got to be nfl record what was y'all's record by chance uh

Speaker 1 you know you said earlier we since he started 0-8 that year we started at least 0-7 yeah we figure

Speaker 1 but but that year

Speaker 1 the last game of the year

Speaker 1 We went to Foxborough. Oh, this is the Tom Brady game.
And we beat New England, which gave somebody home field advantage

Speaker 1 and the super bowl

Speaker 1 you're welcome is this tom new england or is this

Speaker 1 uh i think that was a quarterback that yeah i think that's who it was oh yeah was he mad did you shake your hand and tell you i'm trying to think if he was still there when that yeah that was his last regular season game in foxborough guys yeah

Speaker 1 yep that was the handshake i remember it it's great kevin harlin yeah kevin harlan dual call there he was calling our game and the uh yeah it was a great game at the same time it was crazy You played in how many different systems?

Speaker 1 I know you played with nine different teams, basically, right? He didn't know that before this, by the way. Don't let him fucking lie to you.
He did not know it was nine demons.

Speaker 1 We thought it was honestly, we thought it was more. Oh, okay.
We were taking the over on it. No, it was nine.

Speaker 1 I'm just like, right now, we've listed you should have been a guard.

Speaker 1 You played for like 20 teams. How do you feel about yourself today? You good, buddy.
I'm just saying, you know what? I'm not animal demon rushing

Speaker 1 to everybody. Yeah.
Long ago, I learned not to really care about what people say about me.

Speaker 1 So, you know, the thing is, though, I played on nine teams, but it wasn't like collecting three teams in a year. It was all like I started on nine teams.
So like it was like I

Speaker 1 played

Speaker 1 first couple years, it was two years, two years, four years. And then legitimately at the end of my career, it was like either one year or two year moving every year, every other year.

Speaker 1 Which, I mean, as you know, you have all the young kids and stuff. It's like you think about my wife.
We have seven seven kids in seven different cities.

Speaker 1 And so it's like the amount of moving that we did, and they came everywhere I went. And then we had to pick up and go, okay, school, sports, you know, regular life.
Were they homeschooling?

Speaker 1 Were you homeschooling them? No.

Speaker 1 Just making new friends. Just making new friends everywhere they went.
So, yeah, now my oldest is getting ready to go to college, guys. Yeah, think about this.
He told us this.

Speaker 1 I think he talked about this on one of our first podcast episodes, his kids, but 17, 15, 13, 11, 9, 7, and 5. Oh, no, you you got it.
They all turned to the next year. Yeah, so many were even.

Speaker 1 18, 16, 14, 12, 10, 8, and 6. Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 1 Isn't that crazy? Like, that's nuts. So he read it off, and I go, wait, say that again one more time.
You have what, what, 18, 17, 15, 13. I'm like, holy shit.
It's a lot. A lot of kids.

Speaker 1 Our first year in Thursday football, he brought them all to Chicago. And I'm like, dude,

Speaker 1 let's get some dinners. Like, let's go.
He's like, yeah, sure. Call the places that take 10 tops.
And I was like,

Speaker 1 oh, my God. That's right.
That's right. We're getting pizza.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We eat fast food. It's like, oh, okay.

Speaker 1 What was your favorite system to play of all your stuff?

Speaker 1 So Chan Gailey,

Speaker 1 strangely enough, like he, so he was a head coach in Buffalo for three years when I was there. And then when I got to New York, he was there.
And then my second year in Miami, he was there.

Speaker 1 So I played with him for three different teams. Nice.
Kevin Petulo, who's now the coordinator

Speaker 1 in Philly. I had him two different places, and he is a Chan disciple.
And he's obviously done a lot of different things now.

Speaker 1 He's got some Texas AM stuff, and then obviously being with Siriani for a while.

Speaker 1 But he'll have some wrinkles. You know, as you sit there and watch, I'll be like, okay, I recognize that play.
I know that play. But Chan was always spread him out, a left tackle's dream.

Speaker 1 You know, empty, spread them out. Yeah, baby.

Speaker 1 You know, spread the ball around. But I really liked him.
And part of the thing for me was just like he infused a lot of belief into me. And so that was why I liked him the best.
For sure.

Speaker 1 I think it's one of the coolest things on Thursday nights before the game. You get those couple hours before the game, like him playing nine different teams, all these coaches that he's been around.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's just constant. Guys coming up, hug like, oh, he was, you know, quality control when I was in this place.
He was this. And it's just like you're listing off head coaches, OCs, DCs.

Speaker 1 He's been around them all. That's cool, baby.

Speaker 1 It's crazy. You're sitting there like, dang, when were you with him? And he starts listing it off.
Just the touch, you know, for playing nine different teams

Speaker 1 that he has across the league is wild but you guys have seen it it's funny when you have real young guys that are coaching whether in kansas city or philly and then they become head guys and even like jonathan gannon when i was in tennessee he was like the lowest of the low defensive assistant yeah but there are those guys that you peg and you go okay yeah he's gonna he's gonna be something eventually for sure we actually uh a guy we were with in college I mean, how old was Jesse when he was at Cincinnati?

Speaker 1 Jesse Minner was the

Speaker 1 University of Cincinnati. I don't feel like Jesse's even getting older.
He still fucking

Speaker 1 guy. When I was at LSU, Simmer thing, Adam Gace and Freddie Kitchens were our GAs

Speaker 1 when I got to LSU. Freddie Kitch.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, Minner was my,

Speaker 1 he was holding up the cards when I was, I was a scout team QB. Wow.
And tight end.

Speaker 1 I was running dual thing on there. Just doing, just an athlete in it.
I mean, just a moment.

Speaker 1 Pissing off everybody on the defense. I didn't run the route on the card back then.
Shocker backbacks. Shocker back then.

Speaker 1 Well, that's how I knew that. How would you feel about that?

Speaker 1 That's when I figured out. I'm like, oh, they know this play.
And how am I going to get open if they know I'm going to run that route? I'm not going to run that fucking route. I don't do it.

Speaker 1 I want to get open. But I don't know.
I got to show these coaches I got what it takes.

Speaker 1 I don't think people give Patrick enough credit.

Speaker 1 because it's not easy. It's not easy as a quarterback.
And you guys obviously have amazing chemistry, like some of the best chemistry in NFL history

Speaker 1 for him to know where you're going to be and anticipate. And it speaks a lot to probably the way you guys have worked in practice and over the years, obviously playing so much.

Speaker 1 But that is not an easy thing to do as a quarterback. Yeah, I'll try it out in practice.
And if I get either the ball doesn't come my way or

Speaker 1 and then I know not to do it again,

Speaker 1 yeah, exactly. Or I'm, yeah, I'm getting the ball right on time.
That's kind of how it

Speaker 1 and Pat will let me know, or he'll let everybody on. This isn't just a me thing anymore.
Everybody, if you're given a specific route versus a certain coverage, you kind of get a little bit of freedom.

Speaker 1 And it's just, it's evolved over that. Have you ever just, somebody just ran the wrong route and you're like, God damn it, he's open.
And you threw it? All the time. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 Have you ever seen me play travel? And his eyes were closed most of the time.

Speaker 1 No, I did have. So there was a guy, Stevie Johnson, if you remember that name.
Stevie was so sick.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And we just used to have the, I just used to give him the Y signal, which was you, do, you.
So then it was like, all right, he's out there by himself. Yeah.
You do, you, why are you? You do you.

Speaker 1 No route, hitch, slant, like whatever he wanted to do.

Speaker 1 He sang up, though. He was at strong.

Speaker 1 He was single. So it's easier to do when you're in a three by one and you're the guy on the single side.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That being said, you know,

Speaker 1 he always got open, so it worked. Well,

Speaker 1 hey, Trev, you're not the only tight end that scored a touchdown here, just in case you're not. All right, now you know that.
Wait, what? Oh, yeah, baby. Little jumbo tight end? One for one, baby.

Speaker 1 All All you can be is 100%.

Speaker 1 Listen. Have you ever scored on your birthday?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 On my birthday. Happy birthday.

Speaker 1 That's a huge indicator for defenses. You got to know tackles.

Speaker 1 You got to know what tackles happen.

Speaker 1 If it's the jumbo tie.

Speaker 1 If it's his birthday,

Speaker 1 even better for a sincere angel was in Pittsburgh, opening drive of the game. In the Burger General.

Speaker 1 You had to.

Speaker 1 But the only thing that is a cool stepper, and we still haven't ever looked it up, but I was the only offensive touchdown in the game.

Speaker 1 I don't know how many times the left tackle has been the only offensive touchdown in the game, but it was the opening drive of the game.

Speaker 1 I think Carson Palmer threw, he threw me a touchdown, but he also unfortunately threw two to the steer.

Speaker 1 He was thrown into a lot of the wrong positions. Listen, a lot of guys that weren't supposed to catch it were catching it in the game.
You'll have to ask your buddy Ryan Clark about that one.

Speaker 1 Are you sure he was supposed to be covering me? He was supposed to be. No, he ran up on the run.
Let's just turn his head. We'll take his height.
He got lost, Ryan. Sorry, Ryan.

Speaker 1 I got to tell the truth.

Speaker 1 Yeah, never had one. No.
But wasn't there something late in your career that you had?

Speaker 1 Late in my career, they tried to give me a gimme touchdown by having a tush-bush design where Juergens would come in and I'd take center,

Speaker 1 like quarterback snap.

Speaker 1 Yeah, got to report. Got to remember that.

Speaker 1 So you had a scheme that you never ran into. I never had my last year, the second half of the season.
Because those plays are plays that's like, hey, we're up 17 or whatever.

Speaker 1 At the end of the game, let's get Kelse a touchdown. It's like, yeah, no, I never got that.
It didn't. Yeah.
We were getting our asses kicked, unfortunately. Witt, you played 15 plus years.

Speaker 1 Is that correct? 16, yeah. So that's good.
So 16 plus. I don't know why you went with 15 plus.
It's because it's working. Brandon Peter.
He's working something in. I understand.

Speaker 1 How did you know it was time to hang it up? What finally clicked where you're like, you know what? Now

Speaker 1 that I'm 40? Honestly, probably the amount of meetings I would like wake up in in the sense of not sleeping, but like just be on my phone and realize that everyone's like walking out of the room.

Speaker 1 And I'd be like, oh, fuck. I listen to everything.

Speaker 1 Let's practice today.

Speaker 1 Where are we going? But anyways, literally just you get to that point where I was sitting in there and I'm like, you know what? I am not actually enjoying being in the building.

Speaker 1 Like I'd love the guys, but I'm like, the whole thing. If that's the case, I should have retired like 10 years ago.

Speaker 1 Then I became a skill player. That's really what happened.

Speaker 1 I became a skill player. You're used to the skill guys falling asleep in meetings and being on their phones and everything else, but I would just sit in the O-line room and it's like,

Speaker 1 and like Cromer, one of the O-line, whoever the O-line coaches tell me, would be like, wit, wit. And I'd realize, like, oh, she's been saying my name.
And, like, yeah, what's up?

Speaker 1 Like, I have no idea what's been happening in here. And I realized, you know what, man, this is not a good look.
Like, I'm kind of like, I'm checked out a little bit. I'm tired.

Speaker 1 Like, it felt like a grind every day to go into work. I loved the games.

Speaker 1 Like, I still even, when I retired, was like, I remember going to Sean's office, you know, a month after we'd won it and being like, I think I might, I'm thinking I might keep playing.

Speaker 1 And he's like, no. And I was like, okay.
He's like, dude, as your friend, like, you've done everything you could have possibly accomplished. Right.
And you know, he also won the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Two months ago. That's what I mean.
He's like, two months ago,

Speaker 1 you knew you were done. Like, you'd, I'd already told him, like, this is it.
He's like, you, you stick with your decision. Like, you're good.
And I was like, all right.

Speaker 1 And then six months after that, when they were three and nine, he was like, why the fuck didn't you keep playing?

Speaker 1 We need you. Please come back.

Speaker 1 Because they had like, you know, a horrific year with the offensive line injuries and stuff. So it really wasn't about me as much as that.
But it was interesting. Like, you know, I knew it.

Speaker 1 And then when we went into those playoffs, it actually made it even sweeter because I knew it was it, but I didn't tell anybody because I wanted to just soak it all in.

Speaker 1 And then things just started happening. And I'll never forget, you know, watching Cincinnati make the kick to win.
And they're going to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 And I'm running out on the field to play the Niners in the NFC Championship. I'm like, oh, my God.
Like, this is our Super Bowl. Like, there's no way in hell.

Speaker 1 If Cincinnati's going to the Super Bowl, I'm going to the freaking Super Bowl. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, to end your career playing against the only other franchise you played for in a place that's, you know, you obviously were a huge part of,

Speaker 1 I couldn't have ever dreamed that would be the case. So, once that happened, I was like, this is it.
This is the storybook ending. Yeah, this is it.

Speaker 1 And that's why I had kind of the epic moment with my kids there after the game to sit out on the field. And it was like, it wasn't even a celebration almost.

Speaker 1 It was like a just piece of, man, this was the ride and it's over. And it was like, sit down with them and like, man, this is about to be sick.
Well,

Speaker 1 there's nothing like telling you how much you you missed, and you leave and the team struggles the next year. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is that how you feel? Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 Week four, I was feeling great.

Speaker 1 Week four was a great year.

Speaker 1 What about you, Frithy? So I ended up, my last year, I was in Washington, and I had a

Speaker 1 17 years, relatively healthy for 17 years. I broke my tibia, but other than that, didn't have a ton of injuries.
I hurt my hip like 15 plays in to that game.

Speaker 1 And like for me at that point, I could have, I could still be playing right now. I could have played forever as a backup and just kind of been and get thrown into a game.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 hurt my hip. Wasn't a great injury to have.
And then it's like my kids are old enough now to where it's fun to be home and be more a part of that as well.

Speaker 1 And the Thursday night gig, like having the weekends with the kids and not having to miss miss all the stuff that I missed over all those years.

Speaker 1 Cause, you know, my span we're talking about earlier is six to 18.

Speaker 1 So it's like the weird part about my kids is my 18-year-old went to 10 different schools and my six-year-old maybe will be in the same school district his whole life, you know, which is a crazy thing.

Speaker 1 But yeah. That's crazy.
But it was time. It was time.
Like, I feel like my kids deserved it for me to step away. It feels like you were very much celebrated in every stop you had.

Speaker 1 What was your favorite stop of the bunch? I feel like New York fans, Tampa, it definitely feels like Buffalo stops there everywhere. It's still Buffalo, but.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I would say there weren't a whole lot of stops, especially towards the tail end of my career,

Speaker 1 that I didn't love because we fully just dove in. We embraced the community, like everybody embraced us.

Speaker 1 I would say certainly... Bill's mafia and Buffalo is probably where I align most,

Speaker 1 where I feel the most love. But I had, I love playing for Miami.
I love playing for Tampa. I love one of the two years in New York.

Speaker 1 But there, yeah, some great fan bases and great people that we met.

Speaker 1 I loved Houston. Like, I'm going to forget some, you know.

Speaker 1 Like, we had some, we had some great times. Tennessee.
You know, what's funny is Tennessee on paper, Nashville should have been the coolest spot. Man, it just wasn't the number dude.

Speaker 1 It was the number. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I wore number four there. It wasn't real swaggy.
You were pretty square. You were pretty square bodied.
That was the old number, too. It was the number.
Trav, it wasn't good.

Speaker 1 You wouldn't have approved of the fashion statement. It wasn't good.
As long as you got that beard rocking, man, you got the chest hair coming out. You're good.
All right, here we go.

Speaker 1 Well, let's go to We Gotta Ask. Oh, fuck.

Speaker 1 This is how we wrap up. You don't have to answer.
We have to ask. Okay.
That's why it's called We Gotta Ask. You could tell us the fuck off, is what he's saying.
Oh, cool. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, you could have always done that. Or you can just answer the question.
Wit, is it true that you used to eat five Taco Bell salt tacos and five bean burritos before going on dates in college.

Speaker 1 That is an accurate statement. I did embarrass myself in front of my date of how much I like to eat because I was a big boy.
Yeah, big man. So I would run by Taco Bell.

Speaker 1 I would go through the drive-thru, crush in the parking lot,

Speaker 1 like go in, get some smell good on, you know, like go pick her up. You don't want to smell like beans.
And then go,

Speaker 1 you don't want to smell like beans. So then I'd pick her up and like eat a salad like at dinner, you know, like a salad.
I mean, this guy really takes care of one.

Speaker 1 He's really on top of it. That was the goal.
I don't want to eat beans. That's amazing.
This is great. Jason, what'd you used to do? Huh? I didn't go on dates.
All right, next question. Finch.

Speaker 1 Did I steal your bit taking my shirt off in Buffalo?

Speaker 1 Is it your bit? Or is this just a Buffalo bit?

Speaker 1 No, I feel like it's been a bit from the beginning of time when it gets cold that men take their shirts off. In Cleveland, it happened all the time.

Speaker 1 There'd be guys in the dog pound painted up and down. You know, I still feel bad.
That game, we were supposed to get together that game for the tailgate. We were.
And I got stuck in traffic.

Speaker 1 We flew in that day and I got stuck in traffic. Bill's mafia.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I was going to show you around and didn't get a chance to, but I know you had a good time in the parking lot.

Speaker 1 I still want to go back. I'd love to go back with you.
Yeah. I'd love to go back just in general because Bill's Mafia was spectacular.
Big Tree Inn. Yeah.
That place was awesome. Yeah, you hit it up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, it was good. Well, but even where they're putting the stadium, stuff has kind of been condensed right now because of the stadium and what they're doing there.

Speaker 1 So next year, not going to be a better.

Speaker 1 Once that seat, that stadium is done, it's going to be insane. Nice.
I think Filing Cabinet Pizza, guys, my favorite. That pizza was.
Yeah. I didn't have the pizza.
You went into the hammer lot, which

Speaker 1 we were late to get to that. Like, we got there pretty much when we were going to the game.
So we got to see Penzo Ron, got to get the rolling ball shot.

Speaker 1 I would love to go there, though, earlier and get the whole experience. Yeah, the Falling Cabinet Pizza is

Speaker 1 pretty special. It's a special place.
It really just engulfs you. It's a special place, and you feel the vibe right away.
And it's called the city of good neighbors, like for a reason, right?

Speaker 1 It felt very even flying, and I'm talking to Jaras about this. Seeing the lake, it reminded me of being from Cleveland.
Even though you're not in Cleveland, there's something where this weird,

Speaker 1 ominous vibe is in the air from the lake.

Speaker 1 The snow, it was special.

Speaker 1 We had two years in a row. First year was Cleveland clinching playoff spot.
That was so cool. The fan appreciation, everything.

Speaker 1 But then last year, it was Cleveland horrible, but the snow game with Jameis was doing the snow angels.

Speaker 1 But it's just the fans in Cleveland are unbelievable. There's definitely a tie there between those two cities and how diehard they are.
Yeah. Some in the lake.
All right. Big Wit.

Speaker 1 You played for Nick Saban at LSU. Can you give us, you got any good Nick Saban stories you can share?

Speaker 1 I've got some really good Nick Saban stories, plenty of them. A lot of them involve him screaming, but I would say probably my favorite, my freshman year, Benny Brazil,

Speaker 1 one of my best friends in life, and I were going.

Speaker 1 So Nick would do when the season ended, you would go in and have these one-on-ones with him, and everybody had to plan your one-on-one medium coach Saban. And Nick was a sports psychology guy.

Speaker 1 So he had the big, huge chair, the little tiny chairs outside his massive desk. So, and the electronic door that opens with the button, the whole deal.

Speaker 1 So you'd go in there and you just feel, and he'd temple you the whole time he's talking to you, the whole deal. He's all into that type stuff.

Speaker 1 So Benny and I are waiting in the secretary's office, just like waiting for him to put in. And we hear him like Nick episode going crazy, losing his mind, screaming.

Speaker 1 Like, man, what freshman's in there right now? Because we're trying to think who did something recently, like got in trouble. Man, I can't wait to see who comes out of this office.
Door opens up.

Speaker 1 He's hit the button. It's Skip Burtman, who is the longtime baseball coach who'd won like eight national championships or something at LSU.
He was the

Speaker 1 interim, or maybe just for a little while there, the athletic director. Oh, wow.
And he had like booked a game or scheduled a game or something had happened that Nick wasn't cool with.

Speaker 1 And this guy, I mean, this old man, we're like... Benny and I look at each other like, who's going next?

Speaker 1 This dude's like water up. You can see what he's been.
Oh, dude, we're like, oh, no. Like, Nick's in one of these modes today.
Anybody can get it. And that's how he was.

Speaker 1 But the coolest part about Nick is everything was for a reason. Like he was doing it.
And even press conference, people saw him in Alabama, whatever.

Speaker 1 Like, there was a lot of the time he knew he was going to erupt on that reporter. He knew what he had planned to say or the speech he had planned to give.
It's all thought out.

Speaker 1 And there's a reason behind it. And that's who he always was.

Speaker 1 And so, once you kind of got to understand what he was really trying to get you to hear or what the example he was really trying to give you, you realize he's not that mean.

Speaker 1 He's not that hard on people. He's actually just always trying to teach a lesson every single day.
And his sense of urgency is just rare.

Speaker 1 Like when you're around him, you're like, dude, we're gonna win because this dude's urgency to being great and chasing greatness is like nobody else's you've ever been around.

Speaker 1 So you started to be less scared of him and more like, all right, what's he really trying to say?

Speaker 1 I'm just gonna ignore all the like fire and like, you know, he seems like he's trying to bite at you, but he's really not. He's really just trying to get you to listen to something he has to say.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's awesome. Do you guys have any welcome to the NFL moments? What is your welcome to the NFL moment? My first two years, probably, but

Speaker 1 mine, mine was very

Speaker 1 wild coming out of Harvard. Yes.
I was the NFL a little bit different? Fourth stringer. Didn't get any reps.

Speaker 1 Back then, you weren't allowed to do

Speaker 1 OTAs and things until your school graduate. I graduated.
Right. Yep.
So, like, I didn't get to do any OTAs. I got to do a rookie minicamp and that was it.
That's bullshit. Yeah.
So

Speaker 1 I played a little bit in the preseason. Yeah, son, you're going to have to graduate from Harvard before you can join the NFL.

Speaker 1 It was until your class graduated. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 Oh, and I was still there. Yes, I was still there.
Yes, yes. But

Speaker 1 you don't go there not to graduate.

Speaker 1 But anyway, I was the four-stringer. I was going up against the guy, Jeff Smoker, for the third string.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 Michigan State, right? Michigan State. Yeah.
Smoke show.

Speaker 1 I ended up getting the third string spot.

Speaker 1 Look, I didn't get any reps ever.

Speaker 1 Well, we are like 10, 11 weeks into the season. Mark Bolger goes down, so I'm the backup for the game.
I get thrown in down 21 to nothing or 24 to 3. Epic.
The first huddle I'm in,

Speaker 1 Orlando Pace, Isaac Bruce, Tori Holt, Marshall Falk.

Speaker 1 My voice is cracking.

Speaker 1 I would love to have heard that huddle. I write slot Zoom.
Big pits left.

Speaker 1 X quick screen right.

Speaker 1 Oh my gosh. Well, we ended up coming back and winning the game.
Let's go.

Speaker 1 and then

Speaker 1 i think i we like to say i officially ended the greatest show on turf because i started the next few weeks and it didn't yeah it didn't go great the next few weeks

Speaker 1 but that was my first that was my first huddle it was like am i gonna be able to make it for a year or two and then i'm in the huddle and those guys are listening to me looking at me and i'm like oh my god yeah i didn't even know what to do yeah it was crazy It was awesome.

Speaker 1 You know, I had to go in, obviously, early in record, 06, when I got there and got drafted, they had just signed Levi Jones, a left tackle back who'd been a Pro Bowler, and Willie Anderson had signed an extension.

Speaker 1 They know, arguably one of the best right tackles to ever play the game. And so I really thought when I got drafted, like, I'm not going to play at all.

Speaker 1 And sure enough, how the NFL works, our left tackle Levi, you know, blows out his knee week four of the season.

Speaker 1 And I had only been playing like guard because they didn't obviously just pay their tackles. So they were like, hey, you're going to play left guard this season as a backup.

Speaker 1 And we had Eric Steinbach, who ended up going to Cleveland after that year. So I'm like, I'm not going to play.

Speaker 1 Levi blows his knee out in the Tampa game. And so, our eight got hurt before the Tampa game.
So I go in. They're like, hey, you're going to have to play some left guard in this game, possibly.

Speaker 1 So sure enough, Levi tries to play, can't do it. He's done.
So Steinbach goes in, left tackle, and I'm left guard. We have a TV timeout, and I see our O-line coach pointing down.
And he's like,

Speaker 1 I'm like, what's, you know, so I'm just trying to ignore him because I'm like, I think he's pointing at me to go left tackle.

Speaker 1 Like, not me. We're playing in Tampa.
This is Billy.

Speaker 1 Simeon Rice,

Speaker 1 like, you know, legendary Tampa game. This is Paul Alexander.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 And Paul's, like, pointing, you know, and sure enough, finally, they go into Carson's headset and they go, hey, you know, hey, Paul says he knows you see him. Like, move, you're playing left tackle.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I like move over one spot in the huddle, you know, like just begrudgingly, like when you tell your kids to sit down. I like move over one spot and play left tackle the rest of the game.

Speaker 1 I didn't give up any sex. I'm not going to say it was very pretty,

Speaker 1 but I survived, right? And it was Simeon Rice on the road. And then the next week was my first ever start at left tackle.

Speaker 1 And it was Mike Rucker and Julius Peppers, who at that time, in the last their two or three years together, were leading the league in sacks.

Speaker 1 So blanked them again, but

Speaker 1 it was one of those things where all of a sudden you realize this is what the life is, you know.

Speaker 1 And I think my third or my second start was Terrell Suggs on Thursday Night Football or something like that at home in Cincinnati. That's a good point.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You start really realizing like, okay, wait a minute.
Every week I got one of these guys. Like, when do I get the easy guys? When's the LSU?

Speaker 1 And it's the

Speaker 1 division. So it's a similar, well, not at all a similar story, but similar moment of my welcome to the F moment.
Nobody really knew it happened, but me and the guy that I was blocking. Yeah.
Right.

Speaker 1 Like, oh, yeah. There were no sacks.
Sets hour like this, right? Nobody knows anything. So I'm going into, I'm a rookie.
I'm playing Dallas. They're in a 3-4, so a lot of 5-0 calls.

Speaker 1 And they got Jay Ratliff at Nose Guard.

Speaker 1 Quick little jerk button. I had never played a Noseguard, head up.
Didn't know how to pass edit.

Speaker 1 Howard Mudge's trying to teach me at midweek, and i'm like trying to figure this out because most of those guys are in a three four they're just too gapping and just they're not even gonna rush and i am having a rough one like i don't know how i haven't given up a sack he's beaten me for like four pressures who who's the quarterback uh the quarterback would have been michael big that's probably

Speaker 1 now we know

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 i'm like The game is three quarters over. I've been having an awful night.
And I get called for holding. And I think it's a bullshit call.
I'm yelling at the breath, that's bullshit.

Speaker 1 That's not holding. And I look over at Jay, I'm like, you know, that wasn't holding you.
And he's like, son, I've been whooping your ass all night. I figure I earned what I thought.

Speaker 1 Like, all right, I guess I'm done talking to Jay.

Speaker 1 As a young aluminum, I feel like you get some very welcome DNFL markets. For sure.
There's no doubt.

Speaker 1 Hip tosses, just completely bold run over.

Speaker 1 Everybody check out the Fitz and Wit pod coming back during the season. And we'll see you guys on Christmas in Kansas City, baby.
Oh, yeah. We'll see you in Tahoe.
Yeah, that. Oh, nice.

Speaker 1 At the American Century. Yes,

Speaker 1 at the American Century Championship. So sorry, yes.

Speaker 1 American Century Championship. That happens.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's right. I forgot we had to keep it.
Thank you. Kansas City brand.
Appreciate you guys doing that. All righty, and that wraps up another episode of New Heights.
Thanks for tuning in.

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Speaker 1 And thanks to our production and crew for always making us look better than we are 92 percenters thank you guys fits and wits thank you guys god damn it i got it baby you did it

Speaker 1 new york

Speaker 1 i'm looking at jason's tits right now on pga 2

Speaker 1 oh my god no no no what about the 8 a.m thing with your beater

Speaker 1 when you had the wife beater on that was your tits were hanging do you shave your ribs it just rubs. Do I shave? Do you shave your ribs? Did you have a t-shirt rub? No.
That's friction from the shirt.

Speaker 1 Because your tits are covered with hair,

Speaker 1 but your ribs are nothing. Listen, I don't know what part of evolution made my hair grow like that, but that's just how it happens.
You have hair on your inner thighs or no?

Speaker 1 Probably not, because of the rub.

Speaker 1 Mine don't look like that.

Speaker 1 Mom and dad, mom and mom, dad and dad, whatever. Parents, are you about to spend five hours in the car with your beloved kids this holiday season, driving to old granny's house?

Speaker 1 I'm setting the scene, I'm picturing screaming, fighting, back-to-back hours of the K-pop demon hunter soundtrack on repeat.

Speaker 1 Well, when your ears start to bleed, I have the perfect thing to keep you from rolling out of that moving vehicle. Something for the whole family.
He's filled with laughs, he's filled with rage.

Speaker 1 The OG Green Grump, give it up for me, James Austin Johnson, as the Grinch.

Speaker 1 And like any insufferable influencer these days, I'm bringing my crew of lesser-talented friends along for the ride with A-list guests like Gronk, Mark Hamill, and the Jonas Brothers, whoever they are.

Speaker 1 There's a little bit of something for everyone. Listen to Tis the Grinch Holiday Podcast, wherever you get your podcasts.