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What do you think about that Jason Kelsey guy?

Well, I've heard he's an asshole.

He's a fucking lunatic.

Loses his temper all the times.

And on top of that, he's too small.

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We are going to recap everything that happened in the NFL draft.

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okay time out is it is it affleck or affleck it's affleck i believe i always call him ben affleck it's not it you got to say it right i probably said ben affleck as well i mean it's definitely e-c-k

but i've i feel like everybody pronounces it ben affleck no no i don't think anybody does i've never heard anybody call ben ben affleck never heard that i think I hear it every single time I hear somebody say his name.

Brandon, say Ben's name.

Ben Affleck.

You're only saying it because we just went over it.

Ben Affleck.

How fast was that?

How quick on the draw was I with that?

Ben Affleck.

That was quick.

That was quick.

Am I just in a black mirror episode right now?

I feel like that the whole, there's like a whole time conundrum thing of multi-university.

You've been saying Affleck your entire life, but anybody that actually sees how his name is like wrote and written

or like spelled,

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Do we want to say?

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Travis, you can't say what gender it is.

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Travis, you're a grown man.

Stop calling Mom Mommy.

Mommy.

Stop it.

Nope.

Stop that right now.

I'm going to keep doing it.

I'm so comfortable with my manhood, Jason.

It's not about a manhood, Travis.

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I don't know, but

it's about being not weird.

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Okay.

Mommy.

I mean, if you say it like that, when you're around her, not weird.

But when you say having mommy on, that's weird.

No, it's not.

Yes, girly?

Oh.

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She either calls you dad or dada.

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All right, now we've actually got some NFL news.

Last week was the NFL draft, and apparently everyone tuned in.

Why is the NFL draft so much better than the other drafts?

Besides the NFL just being overwhelmed.

What's the turnover in the NFL?

I think

there's always like at least like 300 to 400 new players every single year.

I don't think it's like that in any other sport.

Yeah.

Maybe baseball.

The chances of the players you're watching get picked in the NBA actually making a difference outside of like the top

five picks like every year?

It's like kind of a crapshoot a little bit.

Is that what you're saying?

I think so.

And I think the entire like, I don't know.

That's a great question.

I'm trying to like compare it to other sports, but college basketball, I would assume, is just as exciting as college football.

And, you know, the anticipation of the greatest players in that league going to the next level.

I don't know.

It's a great question.

I think this is why football is king.

Yeah.

All right.

And let's look at the uh, let's look at who the Chiefs picked.

Sure.

Yeah, let's look at it.

Round number one, uh, 32nd overall pick, Josh Simmons, offensive tackle out of Ohio State, 6'5 ⁇ , 317.

That's a big old boy right there.

Big boy.

How big of a boy are you?

This is one of the guys I actually watched a little bit.

I

like absolutely love this guy on tape.

The way he moves

reminds me a lot of some high-level players.

The way he bends.

Plays with his ass low to the ground.

His arms only say 33, but it feels like he's got much bigger length than that.

He is big.

He's strong.

He moves people.

He's an outstanding pass blocker.

This and the Eagles' first-round picks were two of the biggest steals in the draft.

I'm not just saying that because they're both our teams.

I really think if Josh Simmons doesn't tear his Patel attendant, he's the first tackle off the board, most likely.

The fact that the Chiefs got him at 32 could be like unbelievable value if he comes back from the knee injury.

What are you talking about, Beach?

We're going to have to wait and see how this kid comes back from this injury.

No, think he's going to go back.

I think it's, I think it's a

sign of seal delivered.

This guy's going to be a Hall of Famer.

I mean, if he comes back from the knee, there's a very good chance.

This guy was very impressive.

If something tells me he's already, he's already there.

He's already there.

Final two.

Number 63, Omar Norman Lott.

How about it?

D-tackle out of Tennessee.

First defensive tackle to be selected by the Chiefs in the second round since defensive tackle.

Chris Jones.

Oh, Hey,

God, I love being in the same conversations as Chris Jones.

I've only seen highlights of these guys, and absolute stud.

Absolute stud.

Got a revamped offensive line, defensive line with our first two to three picks.

We went with Ashton,

gosh, I don't know how to say his last name, Gelat.

Gelati.

Gelati?

You sure?

That's definitely not it.

No, it's not it.

That's not it.

It might be it, actually.

I have no idea.

Played in Louisville, though.

Tells me he's got a blue-collar kid, hard worker yeah if you're going to the third round with the chiefs

you're going to be just fine i know i know one or two guys that are still on the team 13 years down the road that got picked in the third round same defensive line coach as uh george carloftis i mean i'm a big fan of these top three picks i think the chiefs clearly last year obviously struggled at the tackle position they answered that right away with josh simmons a kid that could have incredible upside and then really they bolstered the defensive line with the next two picks, which they needed to do.

I think that the defense is very close to being unbelievable.

And because of Spags and some of the pieces, it was unbelievable last year.

But they've needed to revamp a little bit of that size and athleticism up front.

And hopefully these two kids can do that.

You know what?

Well, we didn't leave the third round without attacking the DB room.

Got a cornerback out of Cal.

Noel Williams led the FBS with seven interceptions.

So, hey,

I guess

you already know we can love a good ball in the secondary now.

It's got some accolades, and I mean, seven picks.

That's, I mean, you got to love a DB who can catch the fucking ball.

Jalen Royals, wide receiver out of Utah State.

This is the

one on you.

Dude, fourth round, getting a guy that runs a 4-4-2 that just takes shit to the house.

I saw that he had like 15 touchdowns this year or something like that.

He runs a 4-4-2.

Yeah,

he's a strong, he's a strong wide receiver receiver now.

Round five, Jeffrey Bassa, linebacker, Oregon, tallied at least 45 tackles in each of his first four seasons with the Ducks.

Again, not that impressive.

He served as Oregon's green dot in 2024.

He loved it.

Meaning he helped just bad.

45 tackles in each of his first four seasons.

Like, this special team is only getting 45 tackles, Brandon.

He served as Oregon's green dot in 2024, meaning he called the defensive plays on the field.

That is what that means.

You want to say the last guy?

Britard Smith, running back, SMU, heard through the grapevine through my guy

Garrett Dieter and his SMU connects.

Shout out to Diets.

He was saying that this guy is a baller.

He's just an all-around baller.

He had 1,977 all-purpose yards, which is pretty fucking ridiculous.

He ran the third fastest 40-yard dash of any running back at the combine.

So, yes.

Really, really excited about this guy.

He's a wide receiver, I believe, turned running back.

And yeah, excited to get an athlete like that and a guy that could just, you know, get the ball in his hands and do something with it.

Sounds like a dual threat, multiple purpose type running back.

Use him in a lot of different ways.

You guys had your back that did that a lot last year was Piran, which I loved.

I loved Samajay Piran.

Third down back.

Saje went back to Sincey, man.

God damn it.

That guy was good, man.

Awesome, awesome teammate, too.

I dug his overall vibe.

Richard, maybe he can fill in that role.

That's a crucial role.

We lost our guy there, Kenny Gainwell.

He was a big third-down back for us for a long time.

Moved on this offseason.

It's an important piece that a lot of times gets overlooked.

Who's that back that is kind of that jack of all trades, third down,

very reliable?

So they have a chance to compete.

Round seven.

I love what we did in the draft, though.

Handled some,

we lost some guys on the defensive line filled those roles uh got a big old tackle uh to protect pat and uh and and move some bodies in the run game and then on top of that just add pieces left and right uh in the secondary and on the offensive weapons side man it's uh i'm pumped man i'm pumped to get these guys in the building and who knows what else uh beach is cooking up with all the undrafted free agents that we're going to see in rookie minicamp next week It's an exciting time of year, man.

You get to see.

For those of you that don't know, we're going through all these draftics.

I don't think Travis or I put a lot of stock into pre-draft analysis.

And the reason for that is like, you never know.

I mean, sometimes you have a really good feeling about a guy.

A lot of the times teams will feel really good about a number of their guys.

But at the end of the day, once the guy gets out there, once he gets in the building, that's when you really get to start to know who's who and what guys

kind of have it, whether it's...

All the physical stature stuff, the mental acuity,

the competitive nature.

None of that that stuff is really going to fully be transparent until you start seeing them in person against NFL guys out on the field.

So it's an exciting time to be in the NFL.

I think for all the fans, the exciting thing just happened, the draft, right?

For players and teammates, now's the exciting time.

Now we're going to get to see all these guys and all these new pieces and actually see who can play and who can compete.

And who's going to make the building fun, man?

Who's going to come in and juice this up and help the culture be even more exciting than what it is?

Hell yeah.

Let's look at these Eagles picks, man.

What would you guys go with?

Eagles, first round, we trade with you guys.

How about that?

Go from competing in the Super Bowl to trading draft picks.

Let me tell you about my best friend, the one who let me trade up to stop

somebody else from taking him.

Yeah, so we traded with the Kansas City Chiefs from 32 to 31, just one spot to get Jihad Campbell from Alabama.

Love this pick.

I love this pick because I think the Eagles, what they've done really well the last few drafts that have panned out for them is they've gotten amazing value at different spots where guys start to slide and like they are regarded by everybody out there as being

players that are really, really talented that should have been taken higher.

But for whatever reason, whether there's an injury like what what happened with Josh Simmons, or maybe it's a position that doesn't necessarily get rated as highly, or there's times that our constructs of concern, the Eagles have done a great job of just picking really good players for value picks where that guy should have gone before that, based on how he was as a college player.

And I think they got that with John Campbell.

He's a linebacker.

For some reason, off-ball linebacker is a position that's been a little bit devalued in the NFL recently.

Everybody tends to have gone defensive line or DBs with these picks early.

I think the Eagles saw last year

how much Zach Bond made a difference to the overall defense for Philadelphia.

He was in for defensive player of the year.

The Eagles have great coaches,

and they probably have a lot of confidence in their ability of these coaches to scout different players.

So they end up getting a guy that they really feel really highly about.

Now you're going to pair him with Zach Bond.

And I mean, this is an amazingly talented second level now in the Philadelphia Eagles with this guy.

You can also rush the passer, I guess.

But no, I'm excited.

I'm excited to watch him play.

Round two, pick 64, safety.

Andrew Bakuba out of Texas.

Don't know much about him, to be honest with you.

Haven't watched a lot of college football, but Brandon Borders, our resident Texas expert, says he's a little guy that hits really hard.

Dog.

Dog.

You got a dog.

You got a dog.

I got a hype with my guy.

I love it.

I love it.

I love it.

A lot of hype coming out of Andrew Makuba.

And I feel like another one.

It's another similar pick where it feels like he was slated higher and the Eagles ended up getting him in the second round of pick 64.

Round four, they go defensive tackle Ty Robinson.

And not only are they getting guys of great value, they're getting guys in positions that they need, right?

Linebacker,

they lost a couple linebackers in the offseason.

Jacoby Dean's coming off of injury.

They need to continue to upgrade that position.

They get safety, Andrew McCub after letting CJ GJ go last year.

Darius Slay, my man, Big Play Slay, is gone.

So there's some secondary things that they need to show up.

And then obviously, defensive line was their big need.

I think a lot of people were talking about going into the draft.

And they finally get to that in round four with Ty Robinson, a teammate of Cam Juergens at Nebraska.

He's, I don't know if you saw this, Travis.

He has a pet camel.

Take a look at this tweet.

Yeah.

I'm looking at it right now.

I don't know about that.

He's pretty fucking pumped on the pet camel.

Where does he keep that thing?

Where does he keep it?

I don't know.

I mean,

at his barn, his farm.

It's a camel farm.

It's got a camel farm, maybe.

Are camels suited for every climate?

They're suited for Nebraska, apparently.

There's actually.

I mean, Omaha, Nebraska does have one of the finest zoos in

the state of America.

There's actually a camel.

There's a literal like petting zoo type farm thing that we took the girls to around our house one time, and they had a camel.

Do you think this guy spits?

Camels are known for spitting.

It's got a big spit in people's faces.

Little Bill Romanowski action to him.

That ain't right.

I hope not.

We got to play with a little bit more class, but

same time.

Whatever you got to do, you get the job done, Ty.

Don't worry about it.

And then the rest of the draft, we continue to fill out needs on the defensive side of the ball as well as short up the offensive line.

The offensive line was the position it felt like offensively that the Eagles wanted to continue to fill fill out the depth.

I do think it's interesting.

They didn't pick an offensive line until round five with Drew Kendall.

And that tells me that they're pretty confident with who they have rolling into this.

They got Tyler Steen at right guard, who has been competing for the starting job for at least one year.

Really's played a lot my last year, too.

He's got a lot of upside, especially if he can improve the consistency.

has done a lot of good things with the Eagles.

And then on top of that, signed Matt Pryor this offseason.

They traded for

Kenyon Green from Houston.

So there's a lot of competition here.

They drafted Drew Kendall Center out of Boston College.

They drafted a couple tackles late in Miles Hinton and Cameron Williams.

So there's a lot of competition that stouts going to be able to work with in that room.

I'm excited to see what these guys got, man.

I think when you get into these later rounds, it's kind of a crapshoot, you know.

You're waiting to see everybody, once you're outside of the first round, second round, especially the third round, all these guys have some type of weakness, have something that's holding them back that's causing them to go outside of the top three routes.

And you get to see what their strengths are, where they can improve at,

which guys are going to pan out.

And it's just, it's fun to watch these guys compete and get better, and especially watching Jeff Stoutland work with them.

I'm excited to see each and every one of them.

You know it.

Well, you guys also got a QB and Kyle McCord in the sixth round out of Syracuse.

I actually remember watching this dude play a little bit in the ACC.

And it looks like he's a lifelong Eagles fan from up there in the New Jersey area.

A little Mount Laurel.

Who's not these days, am I right?

Big fan base.

Big fan base.

I saw like a locker room video of him singing a rap song.

Look like he's got some swag to him, which listen, we already know.

Sounds like he's

a locker room guy.

Exactly.

If you're a quarterback and you got some swagger to you, you got a little Baker Mayfield to your ass or some like, you're some shit to you, that's a plus.

that's a major plus it's always a plus a lot of times quarterbacks are very can can kind of be beaten to their own drum it's a it's a position that gets pandered to a lot and a lot of the guys that are really good in college you know they're

sometimes

you know not as connected to their teammates as you need to be and i was talking to marcus spears during the season and he said something that i think is just so true if you want to be the the quarterback, you want to be like one of the great ones, you got to be the guy that everybody is gravitated to, that everybody wants to talk to.

You don't got to be everybody's friend, but you have to have this personality that is like magnetic and drives people, and you're a focal point of the locker room.

Those are what the great ones do, right?

And if you're not going to be that guy, you can have all the talent in the world, and you might have success because you're on great teams, but it's going to be hard, especially when times aren't going well, to be somebody that galvanizes people to play well around you.

And you're going to have to do that to be one of the best.

Yeah.

This is all saying, I like that he acted like he had a gun and he was doing his cool thing in the locker room.

I think it shows that he's got some swag to him, you know?

Pew pew, pew pew.

Biggest story out of the draft was obviously Trador Sanders sliding to the fifth round.

Many people projected him to be a first-round.

Some people had him like top 10 picks, right?

And some of these

mock drafts, he was high up there now.

Well, he's selected by the Cleveland Browns or Brownies.

I love this for cleveland god i love this for cleveland i really do man

the the browns fan deep down in my heart is just like

yeah

you get a you get a swag champ that works his ass off that has something to prove now you know not that he didn't before but you know he's got that chip on his shoulder i'm sure because of how much he's sure he's dropped and yeah and how could you not yeah If you're at all a self-confident person who believes in themselves and you're touted by a lot of people and you had the college career that he had.

How could you not be upset that you fell out of, fell this far?

You know what I mean?

Still should be happier in the NFL, but I mean, there's a lot of quarterbacks that are taken above him.

There's a quarterback that the Browns selected above him.

Who was the quarterback?

Dylan Gabriel selected in the third round.

A lot of anonymous reports prior to the draft that his team interviews went poorly.

What do you think, Trav?

Why do you think Shador Sanders?

I think whoever's the fucking anonymous person that's fucking saying this should fucking come out and say who they were.

Show you what you chest.

Like, what the fuck is that about?

Like, if you're going to fucking leak that type of shit, fucking be the one that says that, yeah, it just didn't go well for us.

You know, don't fucking say that we're anonymous.

You know, that's so fucking lame.

Like, like, I don't know.

I just feel like there's no validity to it.

I'm not sure why he dropped.

I'm not sure, you know.

Whether it was the interviews or whether it was stuff that they saw on film.

What I saw on film, I thought he was a way higher pick.

And I think that's all that should matter.

And I mean, it doesn't seem like he's a terrible person.

You know, it seems like he's just a motivated football player that is a part of

a big football family.

And him and his father have kind of taken over the NCAA football for the past three to four years.

And whether that's something that NFL teams quote-unquote didn't want to deal with, I feel like this is going to be such a fresh start for him.

And

now now it's going to feel, I can see him working his ass off and becoming the starting quarterback in Cleveland at some point for sure.

Personally, I think a lot of these interviews went poorly, or the off-the-field antics between Dion

and whatever media stuff Shador's got going on.

I think all that is getting blown way out of proportion as a factor for this.

I think the reality is to me, and the way I look at it is it's hard to find a great quarterback in this league.

If these teams really felt that Shador Sanders was a top first round talent, they would have picked him.

That's what I think.

I think if you, you mean to tell me if Michael Vick was, had these same exact off-field things happening, or, you know, if Mike, if he was Michael Vick's exact talent, he wouldn't have been taken to the first round.

Of course he would have.

Teams said on draft day, they don't think Shador Sanders' potential warrants being drafted that high.

at the next level.

Okay.

Now, for whatever reason that is, I don't know why that is.

I don't even barely want Shador Sanders, but I ain't going to sit here and tell you that like there's too many players with character issues, with concerns every year coming out about criminal behavior, off-field antics, and other things that get drafted in the first round.

And they get drafted in the first round because they are ballers and the NFL wants great players.

The fact that he got drafted in 144 in the fifth round tells me that

maybe these offfield things mattered a little bit, but the bottom line is teams just do not think the potential of Shador Sanders panning out the next level is high enough to warrant an earlier pick.

And teams get this wrong all the time.

They got it wrong with Brock Purdy.

They got it wrong with Tom Brady.

This is not like an exact science.

And I hope that God, and I'm happy Shador Sanders is going to get an opportunity to go to Cleveland because clearly Cleveland watched them replace their starting quarterback.

They picked two of them in the draft.

So now you're going to get him, a competitive person, person, motivated to prove a bunch of motherfuckers wrong up in Cleveland, Ohio on a team that clearly wants a new quarterback.

Otherwise, they wouldn't have taken Dylan Gabriel in the third round and then picked another one in the fifth.

And when it comes to the potential of a player, I think, you know, it's, I think the higher up you go is you're ready now.

It might not be that the potential isn't there, that you will one day be ready.

I think there's just more questions.

There's more questions of what's the maximum potential.

Where is this player at currently?

There's a ton of opportunity and potential that the kid has.

And there's been tons of players that have been drafted in the later rounds who teams have questions about that end up panning out.

And a lot of that comes down to the intangibles.

A lot of that comes down to, you know, does he just have this it factor?

Everybody, and that's what everybody's kind of waiting to see.

Like,

at the end of the day, he's been successful everywhere he's been.

He's had throwing accuracy.

Like

none of that stuff teams can avoid.

accepting, but they will find all these other little things to say like, oh, you know, he doesn't have this.

He doesn't have have that.

There's guys like Tim Tebow had a lot of stuff in college too, and he didn't pan out in the NFL.

I'm like, they're looking to find these little things that cause them to have concern about why you might not pan out the next level.

And all I'm saying is, if this kid is the dog and the motivated individual, he's got a lot of attributes that

lead themselves to being great at the next level.

Yeah.

And he's in a situation now that, you know, he's going to get a chance to compete.

All right.

Now, yeah.

Shadara, hit us up if you need any food recommendations out there.

Cleveland, big dog.

Good luck.

Good luck becoming the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns, brother.

I'm rooting for him.

I fucking hope that.

I mean, talk about a great story.

Are you kidding me?

That's good for the guy right there.

I hope he makes it and he brings all of the people that he brought to him to the meetings, to the contract that he signs after he fucking leads him to some playoff game.

You know what I mean?

Like, just, I hope this just happens in the biggest fuck you to everybody around there questioning that side of things.

But anyway, let's fucking go.

Travis Kelsey also famously slid from character concerns.

Arguably was the best tight end on tape.

So Shador, look no further.

This could be you.

That's

Jason Kelsey, character concerns, found

the six major

character concerns and size concerns.

We think about that Jason Kelsey guy.

Well,

he's a fucking lunatic.

I've heard he's an asshole, loses his temper all the time.

And on top of that, he's too small.

Oh, yeah.

He ran a good 40.

Let's bring him in the sixth round.

Travis Kelsey.

The funny thing about Trav is that there was nothing outside of the injuries.

I guess you had two things.

You had had a few injuries, and then you obviously had the marijuana thing stemming from your sophomore year.

But outside of that, I only remember people.

Saying marijuana makes it sound so more intense.

Why does that word sound so intense?

And maybe it's just like.

Is it just funny that do you ever stop the thing?

You probably got drafted an entire round later than you should have.

Maybe even, I mean, you could have that.

The tape that you had your senior year was incredible.

So.

I had only had two years at tight end.

Well, you really only had one year of playing fully healthy the whole year.

I just think it's funny sometimes looking back and like there are all these concerns about Travis Kelsey and like everybody who ever knew you knew you were a great kid.

You just had like a mess up with narrow, like weed.

Sorry.

And then all of a sudden, like teams aren't picking you for it.

Like, think about that today.

Like, even back then, 75% of NFL players are smoking weed.

What the fuck are we talking about?

We're going to like act like this is a death sentence?

Yeah, we are.

Just blows my mind.

No, it's crazy, man.

Everybody's all good, though.

Shout out to me red.

No, it worked out great.

Worked out perfect.

I just want everybody that drops in the draft for like whatever character concerns or whatever, if it ever pans out, they should just do that exact same character concern.

Like, you should have just walked into signing your second deal with a blunt in your hand, smoking the other side of the paper.

So, what do I, why do I sign this?

I'm not condoning smoking weed, but unless you sign a multi-million year deal and you want to say fuck you to all the people that doubted you because you did smoke weed, I'm just signing the wrong parts of the contract.

It's like, Travis, you didn't sign a single line correctly, Travis.

We said sign here.

What?

All right.

Well, either way,

the draft is in the books.

2025 draft is officially over.

Now we get to see if these guys are actually any good, and it's going to be a lot of fun.

All right,

I say we get out of this draft and toss it to the old Ben Affleck interview.

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Yeah.

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Jason, do the honors, my brother.

Our guest today is writer, director, actor, producer from Berkeley, California.

He's got three times Golden Globes,

two-time BAFTAs, two-time SAG Awards, and is a two-time Academy Award winner.

You know him from Goodwill Hunting, Armageddon, and Argo, Gone Girl, The Town, Justice League, even Dunkin' Donuts, Super Bowl commercials.

That's right.

And now

the accountant too.

That's right.

92% is please welcome Mr.

Ben Affleck.

What's up?

That's a fucking introduction.

I didn't even know half that shit.

Of course, man.

It's good to be here, man.

It's really good to be here.

The first accountant, fucking amazing.

Absolutely amazing.

Jason, Jason, you can go ahead and tell him about

how you're connected in that world and everything.

But I was blown away by

the messages sent, by just how cool everything came together.

And you just felt how it ended that you had to do another one, right?

It was just so fast.

I wanted to, first of all, thank you very much.

I really liked the first one.

And

it kind of like, it did well.

And then it like built up.

It kind of came out right as streaming started growing and then over time like you know more and more people watched the stuff and uh so i was really excited to do another one i i love the new version i think it's even better than the first movie and uh hell yeah i appreciate it man it's a lot of lot of fun and it's good to be here to talk about it well i know you've been told this before from the first one and the second one is is very very similar uh you do such a great job of portraying somebody on the spectrum.

You can tell that you guys put so much time and effort into doing that properly,

showcasing tools for how people that are on the spectrum deal with too much stimulus going on what are different traits how do they communicate what is uh uh you know what is the social interaction like the dating scene from this second movie uh right off the gate oh my gosh so good but my wife uh works with uh kids on the spectrum she was an instructional aid for a long time we do a lot of stuff in the autism community so i'd be remiss if i did not say how awesome you do at

and how you got how much you guys have nailed it in both films so well thank you very much man I really, that's obviously the most important thing.

It's like, look, this movie is fun, it's tense, it's serious, it's funny, but obviously it kind of starts with like when you're taking a roll-on like this, and

you're going to kind of talk about like people about whom in particular there's been some like misunderstandings or judgments or whatever.

Like the goal is to, for authenticity and respect and empathy and understanding.

And I did a lot of research for the first one, and I got really lucky in my life in the years between because I got to develop some very close relationships with

people very much like my character.

And that's where I got like this people that enriched my life.

And I just got to know.

And then I was like, there's so much joy and humor and wry humor and wisdom and so much beauty in these folks.

And it's like, that was a great, I really felt like that was the most important thing to bring that humanity up.

Because yeah, sometimes if you have a more like neutral affect, people might just assume, okay, well, they're very serious or there's not, you know, there's not as much going on or they don't have the same feelings.

And I have not found that at all to be true.

It's just a slightly different way of seeing the world and approaching it.

And I really wanted to bring that to this role, both because I thought, you know, it hadn't really been done in that way and because I just came to love, you know, in effect,

this character through the people that I knew.

So it's like, when I, by the time I got into this one, I was like, no, no, no, I really understand this guy.

Now, I kind of guessed and fooled around and researched before, and now I have it.

And I wanted people to feel it, you know, and so thank you very much.

And it means the world to me.

And it's a very interesting experience because, like, you're talking about, like, you know, dealing with social cues, like, in some ways, it's just a slightly more elevated version of what we all kind of experience, but hide more.

Like, for sure, things about people in the spectrum is like, they're honest with you.

They shoot you straight.

We all talk about how we want honesty.

Truth is, people want it if it's what they want to hear.

You know what I mean?

It tells you the truth they don't really want the truth the truth um right there's something wonderful about somebody who will i'm just going to tell you the truth about it so don't ask something that you don't want an honest answer to exactly exactly yeah it was it was and and who cava that's like we all kind of find like look you know the whole situation trying to date somebody and figure out like meet people flirt with them the kind of like cues and indications that people get like i think a lot of people have a little bit of difficulty trying to figure that out they they say the right thing?

Do I come off stupid?

This is just a more kind of in plain sight version of that.

And what's beautiful about it is like the vulnerability.

Guys like trying to have a connection with his brother.

Really, that's the heart of it.

He loves his brother, but it drives him fucking crazy, you know?

And so it's about how do I figure that out, you know?

And same with the relationships.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And it's awesome seeing that side of it with like the social interaction and things where a lot of times people on the spectrum kind of struggle with, but then you also see the strengths of the character and obviously the ability to like process numbers and like make connections that nobody else is going to be able to do so it's just so well done have you have you ever embodied a character as much as this i mean you've i mean not really it's been a lot of characters

you've gathered so many i mean you've had you've had so many unbelievable movies but hearing you talk about this it sounds like you really like it was almost like a passion project this uh second time around It was.

It was a very different thing the second time around

because just because of my life and what I and the love I had developed.

And I was like, so I was like dying to get going.

You know, I was like, I remember the director like sat down with me and he was like, someone talked.

And I was like, no, no, this is what this scene's about.

No, this is how he's feeling.

No, he's not mad about that.

You know, and I just started to know kind of much more deeply about the guy.

And that's like, look, as a, as an actor, you try to do as much research as you can, but you just, it's like cheating almost when you have.

real experience with something you just bring a whole other level of of stuff to it and and that's what happened with this movie and and it was fun And also, honestly, John Bernthal is so genius.

I love this guy.

He's a good man.

He's a great actor.

He's like, good father.

He's just, he's a guy that I became a very close friend of mine.

I love the guy.

And getting to play the scenes with him, maybe that's analogous to like, you know, another great player on the team.

Like when you

have a super high level, it just changes everything.

Where you're like, oh, he already knows where I'm going to be.

He already can see what I'm doing.

And he's there.

And, you know what I mean?

It just makes you so much better.

And that was a joy every day well and is there it feels like a lot of the movies you're in there's this incorporation of brotherhood obviously that's a literal brother in this movie but i mean goodwill hunting like like uh the town like there's like this this idea of friendship and brotherhood that's something that it encompasses so well in a lot of the films you do uh but bernthal's phenomenal in this one as well yeah he he is he's great and and yeah yeah that's a theme that's like really meaningful to me and certainly like look you know when i was young and like a lot of young guys before you, you get older and have other kinds of responsibilities, get married, that kind of thing, like you're, oftentimes your male friends are your whole world, like your guys, your crew.

That's a big deal.

And it really means a lot to, particularly to men and to how we kind of grow into real men.

And those guys that we're around shape and dictate that.

I mean, I assume on a like, you know, a football team, it's even more kind of profound.

And so for me, it was like, I've always been interested in these like very close male friendships and how they can be fucking, they can define us, how they can be hard when it becomes like a conflict or when part of what's going on with another guy, like, you know, is a, is a problem.

But like for a lot of us, you know, particularly if you, whether or not you had like a dad who was as president or around, like that, the period of time where that's the center of your life and you're socializing yourself in that way.

And, and so that was a big frame of reference for me.

And I think there's a lot.

There's like vulnerability in it and there's strength.

And it's, it's a big way that oftentimes I think, you know, kind of men learn to grow into who they're going to be.

And so it's a theme that I keep on coming back to.

It's also very, you know, very powerful.

It's like, especially when you have like a group of guys like that, and like when somebody is going to tell you the truth or break the way that things have been going and go like, no, this is fucked up.

Like that can be, I think, especially for men, those kinds of relationships, like a hugely powerful moment.

Those are kind of the things that we remember and oftentimes that like define us in my experience.

You ain't lying, man.

There's been so many, like, iconic, like,

right away.

I don't even want to go.

I hate listing like lines to guys who literally did this, but like the town, like, when you go in there and you're like, I'm not telling you where or what we're going for, why we're going there.

I just need you to know where it is.

It's like, deal, we're going.

We're going right now.

And it's just like every, every guy that has any close friends can relate to that story where it's like, dude, I got my boys back no matter what is the case.

You don't need to explain it.

You don't need to tell me.

Yes.

Like, we're going to do something really hard

you don't know what it is and i need your help yes it's like okay who's calling it's like that's the only you know and i was trying to find i remember i shot to that movie i was i was like i need really need a moment where we understand what kind of friendship he has with this guy so that when you know when when it starts to like get a lot of tension applied to it you understand how strong it is because it's an internal thing the bond we feel right the connection and that that was like i found i was like he's got to you know i wanted something kind of, you know, extreme for that.

So, you go, like, oh, these guys will follow each other anywhere.

Yeah, you know, absolutely.

You're dealing with something really powerful, like, this is the most important relationship in both of their lives.

And that was, you know, I kind of lucked into that line.

It was, and it was kind of funny, you know, and extreme, but it's so damn good.

A lot of, you know, you see it, you see it in sports, you see it in the military, you see, like, you see it represented in some way, like, hey, I'll go fight and die.

Like, I remember I did a training thing for a movie with the army for two weeks, which by the way is the hardest experience of my life.

Two weeks is a long time training, dude.

If I wasn't like so embarrassed about this boot camp, I would have quit for sure.

I'd be like, I'm going to look terrible.

You're ringing the bell.

Yeah, totally.

It was no joke, but I learned a lot of respect for it.

And I remember the guys were like, one of the things these guys would say is like, you don't die for a flag.

You don't die for an idea.

You only got to die for your friend.

your guy next to you.

And that really stayed with me.

I'm like, oh yeah, I get that.

I get that.

That's how these bonds get shaped and how you get these like teams and units to function this way.

You know, it's very powerful.

We have one last question for you before we move on.

Could you actually file your own taxes?

Do you file your own taxes?

Do you go into a glass room and just start writing on the walls or what?

I mean, yeah, I could file them.

I might get arrested for taxing me.

I'm tempted to do that, but

I write a lot of things down.

It's not the right answer, though.

Oh, God.

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My dog Ben Aflek fucking killed it.

We got to get into this sports fandom, though, man.

Ben, does the chair you're sitting in kind of lock, like, so it doesn't swivel?

Oh, you don't want me doing this type of thing?

We're kind of, you're moving kind of in and out of frame.

Oh, because it's a third, a third, a third.

Yeah.

Let me just try to fucking sit still.

You know what I mean?

I think we can manage that shit.

you know instead of like lock me in the chair you know what i mean hopefully i can manage that i'll try to help you out oh my gosh if that's how you handle most of your guests like can we tie him down

this says a lot about what's going on we strap this fucking guy in the chair or no

it's how you lock it in oh man all right all right Let's get to some sports fandom, man.

Boston's sports fan for life, I'm assuming, man.

And it's all the sports up there, man.

You got baseball, basketball, football, hockey, all of them.

Boston's been spectacular, especially through the 90s, 2000s.

And right now, this is a sports podcast, so let's jump into some.

NFL draft will happen by the time this airs.

Do you have like a favorite in this draft?

Are you that in tuned with like the guys coming out?

I dialed in where I'm like, I could tell a fucking guy's combine numbers and shit.

You know what I mean?

Just hear about like who looks.

Like, I'm not that into, especially kind of like when Tom left New England and that whole thing, it was like, I had to step back from, I was kind of like, I stopped, the shit stopped making sense to me.

And I kind of didn't know who, but kind of, like, to start watching the NFL, like more casually, I used to be more into like, who are we going to get, who's the draft pick?

And now I kind of find myself a little conflicted.

So I can't give you certainly any great detail on the draft, though, although I bet you guys.

can't.

I'd be curious to know, like, do you think

there's like more insight that you have in terms of upcoming players?

Like, do you think there really is a skill and an expertise to be in seeing how a guy will develop?

Or is everybody based looking at the same fucking numbers, stat sheets, combined numbers and that kind of thing?

There's definitely a process, and some guys hit it out.

They hit home runs during the interview process.

If you can't show the teams that you're going to be a great teammate, a great professional.

Like you're just kind of like a guy that likes to just play football.

But if you can go in there and show that you're going to be professional, you're going to have a like a routine you're going to be you know how important is that really like i know you they say that shit all the time he's a good clubhouse guy all that stuff but like have you seen it make a real difference and does it make a difference to somebody who's looking at a player and go this guy's for real you know his commitment all that stuff I think the guys that we brought in in Kansas City, you know, have been those guys.

The guys that have had immediate success and found a way to get a second contract here, those are the guys that they want.

It's the build, the building.

I've been here from the jump like 13 years ago before coach reed even got here they didn't have that kind of chemistry and kind of like culture in the building it kind of took like five or six years for them to bring in the guys they wanted that had that professionalism and that like enjoyment in the building coming into work every single day and once we finally got that it just it's changed the trajectory of the program and winning helps that too when you the more success you have and the more wins the more people genuinely buy in i mean that's one of the things that bill and tom did so well for so long in New Winkling.

Like, nobody's going to come in there questioning how stuff's done when you got that type of success.

So, it affords you a great culture, even with guys that might not, maybe, if they were

another situation, they wouldn't be the same type of guy.

But I think for me, I've started to look at guys coming out more because now that I'm done, I try to help out, or that's my way to kind of stay involved.

I never looked at a lot of college guys.

It's hard, man.

It's hard to evaluate and see guys

and

tell which guys are going to be the ones that pan out.

As a player,

you watch it and you can't help but think of guys that they remind you of and the way they move and

the times and like the measurables, those are all parameters that you kind of take into account.

Like, you know, if there's a center with less than 32-inch arms, that's a red flag.

If there's a tackle with less than 34-inch arms, you're like, there's a certain like minimum amount that you want.

But then after that, I like watching the tape and seeing like, how does a guy bend?

How does, what is his quickness?

What are his moves?

How does the offensive lineman use his hands?

And then you're trying to think of like, you know, what is coachable and correctable?

There's some guys that you watch, you can almost tell that they're smart players by the angles that they take.

Like, oh, this guy gets football.

He knows where the ball's going and he's advanced.

And other guys are just, they look like they're running in the middle of the field.

Like, dude, do you have any idea what's happening right now?

It's really interesting to hear you guys talk about it because it actually does remind me because i thought it was completely different and it reminds me a lot of of of directing movies actually which seems weird maybe but like like when you said hey yeah establishing some success goes a long way towards buy-in where like it was more difficult for me to convince people like hey come on down this road i kind of know early on i know what i'm doing because i could see the guys were kind of like fuck you know what you're doing you know what i mean like i don't know what you're doing yeah and you might be leading me down the wrong road you know and kind of get us all up and i kind of, like, I noticed that as the movie came out and people would like it and stuff, it was people came to me with more openness.

You know, I don't know if Randy Moss would show up with the same openness that he showed up with

me with, but you started to get towards that.

And the other thing is that that thing of like, I really do believe that there's a kind of a flow state with act, with sports, all that stuff.

And a part of it is that thing of like, am I comfortable?

Am I at ease?

Do I feel like I can kind of do my thing?

It kind of basically that kind of buy-in that you talked about, you you know, in Kansas City about creating a culture.

Yeah.

I do think that that makes a huge difference.

And sometimes I see people looking at me like I'm crazy.

If I'll say, like, you've got to have not just a great cameraman, like, great dolly, but you've got to have an environment where all the people there are kind of filmmakers and they understand what's important.

And everybody feels like they share a culture of valuing like certain things about what we're trying to do.

And I guess it's interesting because I often thought those things were kind of cliches that guys said when they had to talk to the media or whatever.

But to hear it articulated by like two professional guys who've done it actually made a lot more sense like oh it's the same thing like you want people to share certain values unrecognize what's important here how we do this here you know i i get that and i i wonder though about like with with football or you know even other sports it seems to me that part of the trick is figuring out who's going to keep growing and developing who's going to stay kind of static you know what i mean

any particular attributes that is it people who can like who who can tolerate like who can't tolerate failure but can get back up when they fail and but get after it again is it like is resilience the the principal thing is it just like some people are lucky and they just keep getting better like have you found any common traits i feel like you just you i think a lot of that uh is is dealt with when you have great culture, great coaches in hand, because then you got somebody that they respect, the person that needs to like grow as a player.

They have somebody that they respect that is challenging them.

Like a guy like me, I had Coach Reed since the beginning of my career sitting there, just kind of hitting me on the head, telling me, Don't do this, don't do this, keep doing that, keep doing that.

And

you slowly start to like find your own professionalism inside of the culture, right?

And then now you know how to add to that culture and you know how to like build that culture even more once you start to figure out, you know, the rights and the wrongs and what you should and shouldn't be doing.

But at the same time, Coach Reed has also grown a lot since I've been there in terms of letting the players kind of be more of themselves off the field.

He would have never let me fucking do this podcast at the beginning of my career.

He would have told me, yeah, no, how about no?

How about you focus on football, bud?

But it's definitely,

I feel like a lot of that is, you have to have that drive and that love for the game to want to keep getting better.

And that goes along with guys that are coming into the building or guys in the draft.

You got to see it on the field.

You got to see them love to compete, and then you have to see them love to work

on their craft throughout.

And that's kind of where it comes

more of like a juggling match is like you only know that word of mouth.

You don't really know what they're doing behind the scenes.

How much of a hardcore fucking like

coach

do you respond to?

Because

do you want a guy who's like,

get right in your face and be like, what the fuck is wrong with you?

Don't you?

Or do you want somebody that's giving you that like, hey, you know, you can get better here.

Like, where do you think that sweet spot is for you?

I can respond to either one of those.

I think coaches should be genuinely who their personalities are.

Like, if you're a fired up dude and you kind of motherfuck and that's kind of how you do it, and I can respond great to that.

If you're like very reserved, but you're honest and articulate and you communicate really well, I can respond well to that.

The big thing is like, I want to be coached.

Like, I want to be told when I'm doing things.

Like, what can I do to get better?

And I think to your point of like, how do some some guys improve how do uh you know some guys amaster potential like Kobe Bryan came and talked to the Eagles one time and one of the things he said was like one of his notes to all the young guys was be curious keep asking questions keep trying to get better like this there's some guys that come in with just like this insatiable appetite to become better even though they might have downturns and they might have to like have that resiliency And like we've all dealt with that in our careers and it sucks in the moment, but you realize at the end, it makes you so much better because you learn from it and you learn, like, dude, why was I using my hands that way?

If I just would have done this this way, like, and now I'm doing it and it's leading to more success.

And of course, there needs to be great coaching and potential there to begin with.

But that trait of like just this, this insatiable desire to like be the best version of a football player you can be is like the biggest thing to me.

Um, and that's hard.

Yeah, it's hard to pick of guys coming out.

Like, who knows?

Those are those intangibles where it's like you kind of lean on coaches that you know, that know them.

Like, there's, you talk to people

in the universities that they're at.

Like, hey, I know this coach there and I know he will be honest with me about this guy's temperament.

But that's a, that's a tough one to gauge.

That's a hard thing, too, because you're calling somebody up.

They're in the spot where like what they're going to tell you is going to dictate somebody's future.

It's like, you know, been an experience where somebody calls you about a job recommendation for somebody.

Even if you're like, I don't know if he's, but you, it feels bad to say that like i what i used to do is like say good things about everybody because i felt bad and then i have people come back to me man you told me this guy is i know

i know not i'm not doing you a service you know what i mean so you like i had to learn that that lesson one of the things i see like in our line of work is um the people who i really respect the most who i think are the best have this combination of the wanting to be great, which is a sense of like, yeah, I can be great, but also a certain humility that's like i gotta keep looking at my mistakes dude you're not willing to look at your i have said this so much better self-eval baby i i have said this so much every great player that i know is the right amount of insecure like they aren't happy with like who it's not like they're not happy with who they're but they're like i don't like i need to improve this i don't like me this version of me here i don't know if i've ever watched a game where i'm just like nice i'm satisfied i've always watched a game like you fucking idiot yeah why Why didn't I just do this better?

You fucking suck.

That's the biggest thing is like, there's people who are cool with good enough and people who didn't make the choice.

I was like, me, it just drives me crazy.

People are like, oh, we're good.

I'm like, it's not good.

You know what I mean?

It just makes me feel.

And then when you get next to somebody else who also has that kind of demand, you know, and that maybe it's coach or it's another person that you're working with.

you kind of feel like okay this person's going to go on this ride with me and and i do think it's just some person that some people are like i I checked the box, I did what I had to do, and there's a kind of I like in the great athletes that I've had a chance, opportunity to know, like sometimes I feel like it's a little bit of a curse because they know they still don't feel happy, like they're always guys who feel like whatever it is isn't enough, and they kind of like they don't seem like the most comfortable, happy people to me.

So I'm like, I love the idea of being great, and I admire, I wish I was like this guy.

What are you talking about?

You can't do that.

I wish I could dunk about something.

I wish I could do that.

I wish I could do, though, that looks awesome, right?

Like anybody who watches sports, part of that's like, it'd be awesome if I could do that.

You know what I mean?

Like, that's at the root of it.

You've done something.

You know how hard it is.

You see you guys doing at that level of excellence.

You really appreciate it.

And for me,

that's the thrill of it.

You know, why you want to see the top level performance, why are people obsessed with winning?

Because it represents who the very best are.

And I think that goes to the root of our like evolutionary nature.

Like I'm going to go hunt for your food.

You want to go, you know, like, you're going to find the best hunter because that's survival.

Yeah, absolutely.

You're going to be next to that person.

Your team is your tribe.

It's your village.

You know, it's that it's tied to whether you live or die.

Yeah.

And the great ones, they're like unhappy with where they're at or a little bit insecure with where they're at, but they also have the confidence that they can achieve it.

You know what I mean?

Like there's this like level of like, if you think you suck, but you don't think you have the confidence to get there, you're never going to make it.

And if you think you're great, but you don't really know where you're at you're going to get your ass kicked eventually

like i'm a genius i'm nothing to lie

right like yes

yes but this one's just so good so i was like okay it's like i don't know if you guys drive a motorcycle when i was learning i was doing this like motorcycle school and they taught me this thing about you really gotta you sit back on the hardly or what dude

mostly like race bikes you know what i mean like oh yeah

and it teaches you like as you're in a turn you have to look through the turn in other words, you can't look at what's in front of you.

You have to look where you're going to go.

And if you, if you actually, the way guys get into accidents a lot of times is they get into a turn steeper than they thought, you get scared you're going to hit the wall.

So you look at the wall and then you do hit it.

You know what I'm saying?

So to have that confidence to like look all the way through, even when you get halfway there and you're like,

the bike can do more than you think it can.

Trust it and look all the way through it.

There's always that moment, like you say, of like, I believe I can get there, even if it's really hard.

You know what I mean?

Absolutely.

That is, I think, a key part of it.

And you probably experience or develop that belief because you have to have done it a few times.

Oh, I can get better.

And maybe that's rooted in talent or whatever.

But there's definitely that, those, I find it fascinating, those kind of intangibles.

And I think there's, you know, you've got to ask the guys who are great themselves because I think those are the people who really understand it.

I was going to say, speaking of the great ones, getting back to some of this Boston fandom, baby, the Celtics are,

you know, defending their title.

Obviously, Boston sports everywhere is amazing.

It has been amazing.

Who's your favorite athlete, Boston athlete of all time?

Of all time?

Of all time.

It is hard, man.

Like, I get, you know, Brady is definitely,

he'd have to be, I don't know how you do a list that he's not at the top of, but also when I was younger, you know, when I was a kid, like, that's when you're, like, I mean,

I was live or die.

Oh, yeah.

Hell yeah.

You know, crying if they lost the game.

And that was like, larry bird

legend

and my son's always like larry birds suck what are you talking about

put the eyelights on

listen i'm i'm

turning on some film back in like all these all the hey day these old guys are looking at what the new basketball looks like i'm like i don't know if son of them could play larry could play larry could easily have made the transition into today's basketball For Boston, that was such a big deal because they were, it's like this basically like a small town with a kind of a small town mindset and for the celtics to be and that's you know going back obviously like bill russell days and all that like the celtics were the

boston's original entrance into like the national conversation that you know what i mean the red socks always lost the patriots were terrible my father like basically was a football bookie at a bar and was used to come up my first vcr washing machine he was like that juke pocket you know

quarterback in the nfl everyone on new england and he's that was a bet in the days like when i grew up they blacked the games out on TV because

to get people to go to the stadium.

Yeah.

They were like fuck you can't watch it on TV if you don't go down there.

So you couldn't even watch the games.

It was that like it was a grind of an era for football, you know.

But it was but but so though that's the era that I really, you know, when all these like childhood sports memories were kind of formed and and I love those Celtics teams.

But I also love that like, you know, that the Celtics team that came out and won the championship out here.

And obviously Tateman's team, incredible.

Yeah, man.

You know, but Red Sox 04, that was a big, big

one, you know what I mean?

And that was huge,

especially after 03,

they lost to New York and the playoffs, and it's humiliating.

And

that was a great team.

And that was right at the time where I was still young enough.

I was like going out.

I knew some of those guys, you know, hung out with them a little bit.

Yeah,

experience a bit, like, oh, this is what's really going on.

Big Poppy.

Yeah.

There you go.

Yeah, Kevin Euclid.

Yeah, yeah.

They were great guys.

And so it was like, oh, I know some of these guys.

You know, it was always at a distance.

And it's a great sports town.

I mean, it's probably tough to play in because they'll, you know, they turn on you in a minute.

There's always somebody, you know, complaining about a game if they lost.

But I feel like the guys that really want to play and win are like, okay, you know, hold me to that standard.

That's the standard I hold myself to, you know.

At least that's what I tell myself.

I don't know.

All right.

There we go.

Boston, do they live and die by the celtics like what's their biggest fandom of all the major sports if you can get one championship for one organization and but the next three don't win for a decade which one are you going damn that's a good one or which one would make boston the happiest that's tough i mean it's different it's interesting because there are fans first of all since the patriots became so successful they became like more than what like dallas was in the 90s like oh they win and they are killing teams it was like they got a little spoiled because the thing that i thought built character about new england was that like it felt like they always lost you know what i mean so if you were a fan you were a real fan because

they'd have these heartbreaking losses and you had like a few like growing up a brown

real scrappy fucking teams like bobby war you know hell yeah

and it was like that was back when they played you know hockey with no helmets and just fought half the game like slap shots missing all their teams

exactly the fucking best and so there's different parts of the city and the state and stuff that that kind of go towards different,

that like hockey fans are kind of a certain sort of group.

And then football is kind of, I mean, the Red Sox were the original one, but I definitely, what's happened now, I think, in the last, in my lifetime, is that for better or for worse, I mean, I think this is true.

I don't want to like, you know, but baseball is not the national pastime anymore, except the NFL.

Like that has displaced it.

Right now, I mean, you could don't have to look any further than the football team.

Like, what do the teams sell for?

What are the TV?

The TV rights to the NFL and now everything.

if you're a television network and you don't have the nfl you don't even really have a teacher

because you have no reason to watch you know your like appointment fucking televisions that's why they're spending all this money on and yeah the college uh college basketball and football contracts and stuff like sports have become more important in a way and i think football the nfl is i think without question like America's sport and and it's uh and it I mean that basketball is huge too and it is really like the nba

we were time we were trying to tell lebron this during the christmas games we're like the nfl fucker took that shit open yeah

you know why though because they have 82 games that's yeah that's a big thing that's the other thing it's like it becomes baseball 162 games it was the first time we had played all on christmas so everybody was kind of excited to watch the nfl on christmas no but i think you're right i mean the the NBA,

NHL, Major League Baseball, they all came up when the way to make money was having more games because you increased ticket sales.

And now all the money is who's tuning in.

And if you want people to tune in, you could sell no tickets.

To NFL, that makes this, you know,

meaningful.

Because now baseball teams, you talk about like a lot of these baseball teams in local markets, even like Kansas City, you know, their rights that they're selling their games to the television networks has shrunk to like pretty surprisingly low numbers.

So they're making all their money at the gate.

That's it.

That's that, I think, you know, it's part of it's because the the fan base is growing older for baseball and football and basketball, you know, really attract new and younger fans.

And I think they've displaced it.

And I think New England's no different.

I think the Patriots probably became, certainly with, you know, Tom and Bill and that too.

They were the dominant sports.

And the Red Sox right there because they won the World Series in 407 and stuff.

But and I don't know.

I think this, I think basketball, I think basketball is probably like a very close second.

All right.

Well, we're going to get to this.

We got an ask section we're going to do here.

We just kind of rapid-fire questions at you.

Uh-oh.

You are not.

I mean, you can, you don't have to answer.

You can tell us the fuck off.

We kind of appreciate it.

You famously refused to wear a Yankees hat in the movie Gone Girl.

Is this still something that you refuse to do on screen?

Like, will you,

what is it going to take to get you in the?

I would have, I would not be interested in doing that.

Like,

you know what I mean?

Like, I love it.

And also, to be fair, I was explaining to David, like,

it's going to become, like, he's a big football fan.

He's not as tuned into baseball, right?

It's obsessed with football and Madden.

And, like, the dude's the greatest Madden player, David Fincher, that I've ever seen, which is fucking weird to me.

But I was like, okay, I guess he's created everything.

That's amazing.

I was like, it's going to be a distraction that you don't want.

Like a stupid side story about wearing a Yankees hat.

Like, trust me.

And he was, he kind of, I think, he was kind of fucking with me.

That is fucking hilarious.

Well, all right.

Well, if you were to wear maybe a Chiefs or Eagles hat, which one would you wear?

Oh, don't put me in the the spot like that um i will say

i have to say because my billy goldberg upstairs is who is my uh the editor that i along with chris that i've worked with my whole career and is probably responsible for a large part of my career is the biggest philadelphia fan yeah baby you does not occur to be at a philly football game it's i have to say philly has the at least going boston like It's for me, Philly has like the intense fucking tradition where and like Bradley Cooper is a friend of mine, loves the Philly.

So I'm I'm like, I'd have to go with the

Phillies on that.

Hell yeah.

Go birds.

Go birds, baby.

Also, the Philly fans will kick your ass if you don't wear it.

You know what I mean?

In Kansas City, they're like, oh, that's cool.

You know what I mean?

You got to kind of stick together.

They're way out there in the middle of the country.

Like, don't worry.

Have some good time.

You want to see some intensity.

They're like a polite and Midwestern and shit.

That'd be nice to you.

Philly just fucking chainstomp you.

Oh, gosh.

We heard that you once got to run routes with Tom Brady.

All right.

What was it like?

What was that like?

How many completions did we get?

What were you running?

What kind of routes are you running?

I won't lie to you.

I don't know if they have a name.

I'm sure I disgraced every receiver that's ever run a route.

But to this day,

aside from the birth of my children, that was the greatest ever.

I was like, dude, are you?

He's like, I need someone to play catch with.

Happened to be on vacation at the same place with him.

And he was like, you want to come down?

And I was like, oh, this was.

So this was legit.

This was as legit as it gets.

You were helping Tom get ready for the season.

I don't know how much I was helping him.

I think it was like, he was like, I'm going to fucking blow this dude's mouth.

He's like,

work.

And we literally got down there.

And first he's like, you know, I'm going to, he's like, okay, go out here, turn around, turn around.

And I'm like,

run as fast as I can, turn around.

I fixed it.

Look at him.

Look, he's been waiting 45 minutes.

You know what I mean?

Fucking guns the ball me i'm like i caught it because i was afraid he'd break in my nose more than anything else and then after a few of those he's like all right i'm gonna put some hair on it i was like no no no it's already it's already playing fast yeah

that was what i was about to ask you that's what i was about to ask you did he actually spin it like he ripped you a couple

of no you know what i found was that like in a way you catch it out of self-defense i didn't even think i was

you know and i found myself with the football just to like yes fighter reflexes But the greatest moment of that experience was he was like, after we played, you know, he had me running around.

I'm, you know, he throw me the ball and it was amazing, right?

It was like a, like, I felt like a 10-year-old kid.

He's like, okay, come here.

And I get to him and he's like, it's the Super Bowl.

Fourth quarter.

We have 23 seconds.

It's fourth and 18.

I was in love with this.

I'm going to start.

I was like, uh-huh.

And he's like, just run.

Dude, this is why he's the best.

This is why he's the best.

This is his mindset, dude.

He was amazing, dude.

He goes, and just run straight.

Don't turn around.

And I was like, he's like, I'm going to get you the ball in the end zone.

I was like, don't turn around.

He was like, don't look back.

So I am like, and I believed it.

He told me, I was like, I'm in the Super Bowl.

So he's like, look, look, calls it out.

And I start running.

I don't look back.

I'm sure to him it seemed like this.

He's like, I've never seen somebody run in slow motion before.

But like to me,

it was

fast as you can go.

And I could keep it.

I'm like, wondering, when's this ball going to show up?

And I look, I just feel it like right out in front of me.

And it was a little far from me.

I think he was like, he probably adjusted back.

And I reach out and I have to go off extend.

I fucking catch it.

Turn around like I won the fucking thing.

He's running at me like

it was incredible.

I called everybody I knew.

For two days, I was on the solid daddy continuously.

I think they thought I was lying to him.

But it was like the nicest thing anyone's ever done for me.

And I lived a full life of dreams, right?

In that, whatever it was, an hour of playing cash.

You had a real life sandwich.

You had a real life sandlobo.

You were smalls.

Dude, what I'm talking about.

It's so good.

All right.

I'm going to get it to you in the end zone.

I mean, and it's like when he looked at it, it felt like this is exactly what he looks like when it really is the super.

Well, you know what I mean?

Like, and he's one of those guys going back to that thing.

I was like, I've often wondered because he seems so relaxed, like oddly relaxed.

I've often wondered if that's part of it.

Like, just not, you know.

When everyone else has that anxiety, because it's, you know, whatever, 20 seconds to go in the fourth quarter, if you can have that, like, calm and that awareness, I i think it's a huge huge advantage there's a story i don't know if it's true about joe montana that uh the super bowl he threw the cash to white clark and then the play before that he got into the huddle and he was looking into the stands and they and the team came back and they were like what he goes he look over there is that john candy and they're all

candy

and then they just like turn back around but he was like looking over to be like oh shit that's john candy all right let's go like you know what i mean like he was he was just casual, and I feel like that always made sense.

If you've ever met Joe Montana, that's a smooth son of a buck right there.

He's a cool cat, man.

He's he's a laid-back dude.

I believe it.

Are you sick and tired of having to look at Matt Damon's abs?

Damn, every, I just did that, went to the premiere.

Every interviewer, like, they were giving me something, like, that they found the secret of life.

They're like, whips out an 8x10 of Matt with his abs.

It's like, this dude is out there.

One time he got in shape.

and the whole world

worked out one time and he's out there flexing his nuts off with his app you know but you know i listen it looks good it ain't easy when you touch 50 you boys will see i hear you man he's calling everybody tell him where he's going i'm gonna be on this beach this time he's like me

about to have a big mac

so good dude you guys you guys lived together in boston your first year or growing up i should say i say first year but growing

we were friends of the same pop we lived together in LA we've been friends since we were little kids yeah dude that's so fucking cool me and me and Jason were living together at Cincinnati and obviously we grew up together I under I know what it's like to like hang out with your homies and like be in the same houses you like how fucking cool were you guys just fucking throwing cool ass ideas back and forth to each other like I don't know how cool they were you know

we weren't just like fucking dumb enough to think it would work out for us you know that's that kind kind of like belief that like, yeah, that's part of the gift of being young is you don't really see that like this could end bad.

No one hires.

Like we, it might not work.

We always kind of had a certain like, hey, we go out there.

I don't know.

It was a combination of not knowing anyone who had done it or it seemed very far away.

And also going like, yeah, fuck it.

We're going to move out to LA and this, we're going to try this thing and we're going to go after it.

But I was, I'm curious because for me, I found that I see a lot of other people who've had success and you know the kind of sort of light turns on you and all of a sudden it's a very different experience day to day and people act different and shit is weird especially like I you know when people this that first at the beginning of that transition and I really credit you know my ability to kind of stay sane to to having like my best friend who was doing it too and being able to be like is this fucking bananas or what man like this is crazy because someone else will be like what the fuck are you talking about like why are you acting like that or whatever it is you know because every other people people want to might want to kiss your ass or whatever it is i wonder if you had the same thing you guys like you know nfl guys and you're like but you know you're not the only one in your town that you know that that's that one kid who becomes a big star and everyone's you know like you had each other did that was that i was i was lucky i just got to follow this guy's footsteps i was just doing whatever the fuck he did i was i was benefiting from the guy already paving the way for me but um it was definitely cool once we got to the league how we could bounce things off of each other especially because we were in in two different cities, two different buildings.

And it's like, I don't know.

We also had Coach Reed.

He got drafted by Coach Reed in Philly than I did in Kansas City.

So it was really me just like confirming that what I was doing was the right thing to do to Jason.

Jason was kind of just, you know, figuring it out as he went.

Did you think that because he did it, it made it easier for you?

Because you were like, oh, if my brother can do that.

1,000%.

Jason came in and was like one of the most professional guys in Philly.

I've heard the stories through everybody in that building because half of them came to Kansas City and they were like, man, if you just lock in and do what your brother did, you'll be just fine.

I think that's a big deal, man.

Oh, no.

Are you kidding me?

Guys, a fucking

just got to follow his footsteps.

Stop.

All right.

But I really do think you're onto something with like you and Matt going through it together.

And like Travis and I, and like,

you know, as you know, as you have more success, there's more people that come around you that don't really know you and they just want to like tell you how great you are or whatever.

because you represent like a job or some status to somebody or whatever it is so they're gonna tune into that because they want it you know or they see you on camera or they see travis and i doing this or on um on tv and they think they know us but like to have these relationships that predate all of that other stuff is like it's hard to like replicate that with like whether it's friends family members and you end up really holding on to those and they and they end up meaning a lot more and it helps you kind of keep your sense of self for sure undoubtedly absolutely man it's that is true words were never spoken like it's very hard to have the same quality relationship in a way with somebody in trust like because it's a big difference like the people that i grew up with who their relationship i know those relationships were based on me and that person they didn't have to do with anything else and that's never a thing that you can take for granted after that point which isn't to say i think everybody's trying to but it changes things and and part of of it, maybe it makes us wonder more, like, okay, why does this person, you know, want to be like, I remember I had the best thing that ever happened to me was I got successful and then I hit a really

like bad patch.

Like I had a bunch of movies that didn't work.

I was in a bunch of tablets and I was like, it was, I was, I thought, okay, this may be over for me.

And what happened was a lot of that shit went away.

And I was like, oh, I'm not that funny.

I don't have that many friends, actually.

Like, you know, it was a whole, I used to say this, something like this, and people would laugh.

Like, the world world changed, and I could feel I didn't represent the same thing to people.

And I recalibrated and was like, okay, I get it.

These relationships are largely what they are.

You know, they're not really authentically based on the, you know, me and this person.

And that's okay.

You don't need that many friends.

You just need a few really good friends.

And not every relationship is going to be really authentic, close friendships.

Some things are just like work relationships or whatever it may be.

That helped me kind of get it, you know, and it was a really, it was just a really helpful moment.

And I think sometimes people, like in sports, you look at, you tend to have this, this career trajectory that come in, it goes great, everything's amazing.

And like the last couple of years, okay, all right, now I'm going to retire.

And then after that, like some guys I come across, you know, more, maybe you could tell me if it's true or not, like have a hard time adjusting after that because they're like, wait a second, you know, this life is so different now.

100%.

That's legit.

A lot of guys, you got to try and find a

career after sports while you're still doing it, man.

But speaking of work relationships, we got some

donuts here, baby.

God, dude,

the Super Bowl commercial was fucking legendary, dude.

Yes.

Thanks, dude.

So good.

That thick-ass Boston accent.

That shit was fucking gold.

If I go to Duncan and say, I want the Affleck, what's the order?

Get the fuck out of here.

No, my order is the iced coffee and a lot.

I like the chopped glazed donut, but know, I don't think they've memorialized it as my order.

You know what I mean?

I think it's, you know, but it was fun.

It was like, the nice thing about that with Duncan was like, they let us and

our company, our secretary, became the ad agency and started building this commercial stuff.

And now we kind of broadened it out to a couple of other brands as well.

And they kind of were like, okay, you know, because my belief is like, you want to get the connection with whatever the culture or the person is.

Like, and this is in theory, not having to do with me, like, but let them have a voice in what they're creating so like let them participate so you know when we had like ice spice or kristen wig or or tom bridge like i wouldn't come at them with script and lines of i was like you know what your fans want you know what people connect to about you like bring that to this thing and people are so much more comfortable and better because they like you don't lock people into some stupid line and posing with the product and it just and now people know that shit is just artificial and it doesn't work you know so could not agree more that's awesome man excuse for them letting us fuck around and act stupid and no but but you're right it comes across so much more authentic and like even like you know when when we've done advertisements when when you as the person behind it and the face a part of it when you're actually contributing to like what the thing ends up being it feels more real to you so of course it's going to feel more real to the people watching it so i think that makes a lot of sense it's your taste like that's in for athletes whatever it is like your persona yourself like that's the thing that that means something to people they're connecting to you in that way and like you kind of want to be like if you're not consistent with it because Brand is trying to voice something on you, people vibe it.

They're like, that's not why I like this, this guy or this woman.

I don't, you know what I mean?

And so it, it doesn't even work.

But it's fun when you get right and you have a good time.

Hell yeah.

Fuck yeah.

Well, it fucking killed it.

And I'm not going to lie.

I'm fucking smacking some monsters every time.

They got those new blueberry ones.

They're dumb.

I didn't even know that they were.

They're a fucking game changer.

Kylie had a box of them the other week.

And I was like, you know what?

I've been on this diet.

I've been trying to slim down, but I couldn't resist.

I reached in there.

I was like, I took a bite.

I was like, they make you feel good, buddy.

I took a bite.

I didn't even know that blueberry existed.

I was like, what the fuck is this?

It's funny.

I decided my first one the other day.

I was like, damn, this is fucking good.

I thought I knew all the shit.

They got that shit figured out.

New discovery every day.

Yeah, they do.

They'll probably be like, it's been there for years.

I'm just a dumbass that hasn't had it.

But anyways.

Yeah, exactly.

Exactly.

Me too.

They're like, well, look, you make commercials for them.

You didn't know about the blueberry exists.

Didn't know about the blueberry.

Hey, Ben, thank you so much for joining us, man.

This has been awesome.

I know you got stuff to do.

It's such a pleasure, man.

I'm such a big fan.

You guys are the best, and it's really a pleasure and honor.

So much fun.

Like, I can't tell you how much I'd rather be hanging out and talking with you guys than

kind of just doing the same old thing.

This is great.

Dude, awesome, man.

Thank you.

Let's do it again when you have another one that's hidden.

We got so many more questions.

We don't even have to do it on camera.

It was your pleasure chopping it up with you, man.

I need better answers upcoming.

Awesome.

You're the mad dog.

Ladies and gentlemen, Ben Affleck.

Thank you, folks.

Thank you.

I'm out.

Later.

Ben Affleck, dude.

What a legend, man.

You ain't lying.

I mean, I've always been a fan of him as an actor, but then you get to talk to the guy.

You get to see how driven he is.

You can tell just talking to him how much he cares about just everything he does, how much he's always trying to figure out how other people have success.

It was just an all-time combo.

And his mind works so much faster than mine.

His neurons are fucking

connecting.

They're firing quick.

Dude, he's a special human being, man.

That show is awesome.

Make sure you go check out Captain 2.

It's a pretty damn good movie.

You'll enjoy it.

Yes, you will.

All right, now let's get out of the house.

Man, we haven't hit this segment in a while because Jason just had his fourth child.

It's the first time he got out of the house in a long time.

This is all true.

Jason, how was it?

What'd you do?

Travis, I was with you.

What are you talking about?

We both went to...

Oh, we're talking about that.

Oh, yeah.

Well, we headed over to one of my favorite golf tournaments of all time at the Justin Timberlake 8 a.m.

golf tournament in Viva, Las Vegas,

where I just can't seem to lose.

I just never lose in Vegas, man.

There's something about Las Vegas.

It's just, you know,

it's kind of where I feel at home.

It's been good to you.

Especially at the wind.

Especially at the wind.

More so at the wind than anywhere else.

And oh my gosh, look at those jugs.

You gotta show that.

Wow.

I didn't know.

I didn't know that's what it looked like.

Oh, my God.

It's a

solid seek up.

D's, maybe.

Is my nipples?

Were my nipples hard?

Oh, my God.

Why are my nipples hard?

Dude.

Oh,

my goodness.

Oh, my gosh.

Dude, those are your nips.

In fairness, I think it was a little cold.

Those are just because thermostats working.

It was a little breezy that day.

That's why I said Tino's got the sweater on.

Dude, you might need to go get some tit reduction, dude.

No, no, no.

I'm a fan of them.

I've always...

Oh, man, dude, that is hilarious.

That's aggressive.

Oh, yeah.

God, damn, that's just made my day.

was your favorite part of the weekend jason my favorite part of the weekend i don't know i mean getting to hang out my brother a bunch of awesome people no it's it was a fun event i mean listen you're at the win in las vegas at like this unbelievable golf course playing with a bunch of the coolest people on the planet it was freaking awesome and uh you know got to meet justin timberlake uh

a million other people that were there to all uh yeah be together and have a good time and it was just it was done right i always love going to these golf outings.

We're 8 a.m.

in particular for this outing.

The people at the Tahoe outing, they just do such a great job at organizing it, getting everything set up.

It was just really well run, combined with great people.

So, yeah, I had a blast.

Dude, so much fun.

You got thrown into a group with

two of my favorite human beings on the face of this earth, Taylor Parsons and Blake Griffin.

And I was with another one of my favorite people on this earth, Andrew Santino.

And I'm not going to lie, man.

Santino was, he is a stick.

He's good.

I haven't seen him play this good in a while, man.

There were a few shots where he was just absolutely dialed in.

He was sinking putts.

Yeah, it's fun to watch.

Dude, he was sinking putts.

I was not sinking putts.

Me, Blake, and Chandler had great vibes.

I was really struggling.

My first putt, I think, was like a 10-foot putt that I putt legitimately five feet to the point that everyone audibly laughed behind me.

Like somebody legitimately said, that can't be serious.

It was like,

it was straight from Happy Gilbert.

Like, I hit it and I was like, oh, no.

That thing is going nowhere.

And it doesn't help it out that you have that putter.

What are you talking about?

It's a Scotty Cameron freaking.

Like, it's the best putter on the planet.

I'm not trying to hear this.

That putter is from the beginning of golf.

Okay.

That's how you know it's good.

It's made, it's survived for a very long time.

It's a great putter.

Survived?

Why?

Just because nobody lost it?

No, people have been playing it, and it's a putter that's stood the test of time.

It's a classic.

Yeah, it'll only get you halfway to the hole, though.

Well, that's if you're a Jamoke like myself and you haven't ever practiced any putts before, though.

There you go.

One of my favorite experiences from the weekend is always the karaoke night.

They always do a great job of getting everybody to go up on stage and sing a great tune.

And

we all know your karaoke song.

Yeah, we didn't execute it as well as I thought we were going to.

Turn around.

It was tough on stage hearing the audio and the words weren't synced up as perfectly as I thought.

This is also after a full day of

Garage Beer on the Course.

So it was not the best performance.

It's an A for effort and entertainment.

Listen, the first like, probably like 10 to 15, maybe even 20 seconds was you guys were far the most entertaining crew up there.

And then out of nowhere, it was just like a scream off.

Yeah.

of you and

the other two just yeah absolutely trying to like get the wheels back on the track we try um yeah leave that was uh

absolutely hilarious shout out to jt shout out to jessica um shout out to everybody over at 8 a.m and the wind it's one of my favorites if not my favorite casino out there man they always do it right and and uh and hook it up during the 8 a.m and that is uh that's one of my favorite golf courses out there let's get uh on to one of our favorite segments each week and that is no dumb questions no dumb questions is brought to you by perplexity for those of you that don't know that is an ai search engine we will use occasionally to help us answer some of these NODEM questions or questions that arise from the Nodum Questions or any type of questions we have during the show.

The entire internet has been debating a NODEM question, and we have been asked to weigh in.

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At Brandon Board is at Jake Chatsky.

I'm going to need Jason Kelsey and Travis's opinion on this.

He quote tweeted, I think 100 guys could beat one gorilla.

Everybody just got to be dedicated to the shit.

Shout out to Dream Chase and Mike.

We got to answer some questions first.

Are we allowed to use tools?

Because I could beat a gorilla by myself.

I got the biggest gun.

Be over real quick, right?

So I think we're talking about hand-to-hand combat, I'm guessing.

Yeah, I think we're just talking hand-to-hand.

Gorilla, don't scare me if I got a big ass

magnum fucking whatever.

But what are we talking here?

Yeah, exactly.

Do we

do we are we talking like what's a win?

Is a win like death?

Yeah, you're fighting to the death.

That's what a win is when you're fighting a gorilla.

How do you how do you kill it?

That's what I'm saying.

That's my thing.

Kill a gorilla.

You're going to need a tool.

You can't kill a gorilla with your hands.

No, yeah.

I don't know.

You choke it out?

I mean, it's going to be hard.

Yeah.

That's going to be a tough sell right there.

there.

I think 100 guys could do it because the gorilla would get tired.

But he's going to go through about 98 of them.

He's going to go.

Somebody's getting fucked up.

Yeah.

And I don't know if I want to, that's why you're saying I think 100 guys would be one gorilla.

Everybody just got to be dedicated to the shit.

The shit is you're going to get fucked up if you're one of the first people to go at this gorilla.

I think one of the reasons these questions are terrible is because humans don't fight hand to hand.

Even, I mean, you go back to looking at, you know, people back in the day,

everybody's using the tools.

I'm going to pick up a big-ass rock.

I'm not going to go fight this gorilla with my hands.

I'm going to let you distract him.

I'm going to stand in the tree.

And then when he's not looking, I'm going to drop a boulder on his head.

They're not fighting fair.

That's how human beings fight, right?

If you're smart.

If you want to survive.

That's how, now that's dedicated to the shits.

I'm going to sharpen a stick.

and then poke that big motherfucker and not have to go and fight it with my hands.

In which case, it's going to be a lot less than 100 guys.

Might be one guy if you got the right tool.

But yeah, yeah, if you try and go fight a gorilla with your bare hands, you will die.

I'm not fucking with that.

Yeah, I mean, it's too strong.

It's too powerful.

I don't even know how you would kill it.

How would you kill a gorilla?

Dude,

what?

I don't know.

No,

you're not choking it out.

You like try and hold it down.

I just would like 20 people jump on it just to hold pin it down.

But even then, I don't think that's going to work.

Yeah, I think they're 20 strong.

They're 20 times stronger than us.

That's why it's a dumb question.

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I wonder who's going to be

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It's going to be Mommy.

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I

will get good at this one day.

When I'm confused about a name, I just try to go as fast as possible.

I think everybody in their right mind says afflict.

Jake, put a poll up.

Put a poll up.

Jake, just take it to the audience.

Put a poll up.

I've never heard one person in ordinary conversation

for you.

How often does that?

Not often, not often, but it's always been Affleck.

Never been Affleck.

Is that just like the Philly accent getting in there?

No, it's just

you're overdoing it.

You're overdoing it with the affair.

You're overdoing it.

You're overdoing it.

Ben Affleck.

You're either saying affleck or affleck.

Affleck is a...

Is it?

Affleck.

You're saying like, affect.

No, I'm not.

I'm saying it's either affleck or affleck.

You added a T on one of those.

I swear to God, I heard it T.

I definitely add T sometimes.

And that's for sure wrong.

Listen, if it wasn't for football, I'd be just like Ben Affleck in Goodwill Hunting.

You know what I mean?

I'd be just working the docks.

What docks?

There's a dock.

There's a construction.

What docks?

What docks are you?

It's been a while since I've seen that movie.

What are you?

Danny Green?

Working the fucking docks at Lake Erie?

It's a major shipping hub, Travis.