Brandon Graham on Retirement, Rookie Jason Stories, Art of Trash Talking & The Brady Sack | EP 133

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That was the lowest of lows last year when we lost, and yeah, Kelse retired.

And everything got better.

Yeah, well,

it was crazy.

I know, Kelse.

Welcome back back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen.

In a Wondery Show, produced by Wave Sports and Entertainment and brought to you by HBO's The Last of Us,

season two, Premiere Sunday, 9 p.m.

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We're your hosts.

I'm Travis Kelsey.

This is my big brother, Jason Kelsey, out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio.

Cincinnati Bearcat alum.

Shout out to, first of all, shout out to all the Bearcats down in the NFLPA golf outing that brought it home for the cats.

Oh, yeah.

Sauce got a cat.

That's right.

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Sauce.

Well done.

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I don't know if he was the reason why we won.

He wasn't carrying it.

Yeah, my guy sauce.

He brought it home, though.

He brought it home.

That's all that counts, man.

No, the Bearcats brought it home.

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We're going right to BG.

Let's get it.

Philadelphia Eagles legend and icon.

5-5.

Best smile I've ever been around.

I mean, it's insane.

You're going to see.

You'll see.

Our guest today is a first-round draft pick from Detroit, Michigan.

He's a Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year nominee.

Sir.

Prolific trash talker, Pro Bowler, the record holder for most games played in Philadelphia Eagles history.

That's right.

He is two-time Super Bowl champion and my former teammate, 92%er.

Please welcome Brandon Green.

Appreciate you coming on, dog.

I appreciate y'all having me for real.

This is an honor, man.

I appreciate it.

Honor is all ours, BG.

How you doing?

How you living?

You know what?

I'm living good.

In the facility every day, working out.

I know.

Getting that

rehab and figuring out next steps for real.

Nice, man.

So, you retort in the game,

in the Super Bowl, man.

You're an absolute warrior, dog, for going back out there and finding a way to make it on that field.

And congrats again.

I know we talked after the game, man, but I can't say enough about how fun it is to play against you because I respect you so much and how much trash talk.

You're always one of the best competitors, and you back up your shit talking.

And it was always fun seeing you on the field, man.

So congrats on a great career, brother.

Man, thank you, man.

It's definitely going to be different, but I'm excited for what's to come because, as you know, I could figure out a way to trash talk

in this era too.

Keep that time for the kids.

By the way, how the kids doing?

Man, you know what?

Baby girl is doing good.

Gymnastics is the queen for her life.

And right now, baby boy is all over.

He got baseball just started opening day yesterday.

Here we go.

Yeah, it's cool.

And he love it.

You know, he love, he got some lacrosse.

He's playing with second graders now.

He's in kindergarten, but

he don't like lacrosse, but he is really good at it.

But he just don't, like, he just, I love that I know what he do and don't like, but you never know, it changes.

But

to see him, even though I didn't grow up on lacrosse, seeing how it's played, the rules and stuff like that, it's kind of cool to see him

do his thing.

And then, of course, flag football is one that he likes because he's been around football.

Nice, man.

Before we get to the rest of this interview with BG, as we start every show off, everybody who watches knows all United Duper Centers out there.

We got to get to a little bit of that new news.

New news.

BG, give us a little, give us a little bit of a news.

New news, BG.

New news.

Here we go.

He's a pro.

He's a pro.

You can put him anywhere, man.

That's great stuff.

You had a really emotional day a couple weeks ago, right?

Where you officially announced your retirement.

I know you said it before the season.

You led up to the season knowing it was going to be your last year.

And I've talked about this.

I mean, I feel like even midway through the year, we would talk.

I'm like, man, you're still, you're still balling.

How did the family react to that?

How was that day?

Yeah.

So, so my wife, she used to get on me like, hey, make sure you write down little bullet points for that day when it do come, events this year or next year,

whatever year.

but just make sure you're just writing down things, something that so you can remember on who's been a real big impact in your life and all this stuff.

So I had notes that I was just writing.

Yeah,

it helped.

And man, it hit me though.

Like how I hit you, probably, man.

It just, when I seen everybody looking back at me, and I knew this was the moment where it was over, it's like, whoo,

been doing this a long time.

And giving me chills.

I was just thinking about it.

Oh, man.

It's you put all this work in for these amount of years, and man, it's like even from Little League all the way up to now.

It's like, man, this all I know.

This every offseason, it's like, man, I'm about to get ready, I gotta get my body right, get it right.

And now it's more of now, I'm trying to get it right to look good instead of

that's my new motivation.

I want to look good, I want to be on the beach where I can take my shirt off, you know, hairy and all, hairy and all, but looking ripped up.

They don't want to see these.

awesome.

Well, you killed the speech.

And not only that, you killed the lead up to the speech.

You had the social media.

You got everybody kind of mouthwatering with the Rocky Balboa statue over by the Rocky, the History Museum steps, or Art History Museum steps.

Oh,

yeah.

Oh, yeah, you already know.

You already know.

That was so cool.

I wanted to do something so Philly, man.

That was it.

That was a Philly thing where I was like, man, where can I hang my clease up somewhere in Philly?

And I was like, Ooh, the statue, Rocky Steps.

You know it for sure.

And man, they did it.

They did it for me.

The Eagles brought the team down.

We met out early that morning at eight o'clock and be like, hey, we got an announcement at 12.

And it just worked out so good, man.

And that's how I know this was the right, it was the right choice.

Because, of course, I call Howie, like, hey, I could still cancel this thing, man.

What's up?

For real.

Well, that is, that is something I definitely wanted to ask you because

I know you said before the season it was going to be your last year, but you were playing so well.

Yes.

Right.

And like you're still, you could still play the game.

Did you second guess this at all?

Like, how, I know, I know before the season you said it's going to be your last, but what was it like leading up to this decision?

Were there moments where you're like, man, I think I might want to give it another run?

Or were you like, nah, I'm done?

I'm going to be totally honest with you.

I wanted to give it another run because I got hurt.

And I was like, man,

I got a whole bunch left that I can still do.

And I was going to, really, this year would have been the real last year for sure if he would have kind of granted that.

But he was like, man, it's such a storybook ending.

And man, that's what I said in my prayer.

When I walked in, I prayed before I had went in the day before.

I was like, okay, Lord, I'm going to just, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to leave.

You just leave me on this.

And when I walked in, I was like, I'm going to put it in his hands.

If, if, howie, if we, if we don't come to a conclusion that we can do it again, all right, I ain't even going to fight it.

So when I walk in, he like, BG, like, what you want to do?

I say, man, what you want me to do?

Because you know, right back at him, you don't right back.

You know my heart.

He was like, BG, this is such a fairy tale ending, man.

I can't let you.

I can't let you, man.

Like, you got to go out on top.

And when he said fairy tale, I was like, all right, Lord, I'm done.

I'm done.

I didn't even fight it after that.

And so I just felt like a weight was lifted off my shoulder when it happened.

And I was like, okay i don't have to fight fight no more i ain't got to fight no more because man i had this chip in my shoulder for so long on like just people like what you said man like i'm a bus and all that stuff i i carry that every year as motivation um to go out there and make sure i'm working uh but my family for sure was you know my biggest motivation but that was one that i always was like man how are we done want to get rid of me and you kind of play that game in your head and and that's why you train hard and you go hard and uh make them sacrifices that you know that's hard to make like eating food and all that stuff because you want to look good all that

no doubt i'll tell you what man 15 seasons 218 games bro you shut all those two-time super bowl champions you shut all those doubters up or anybody that had anything to say man

um

what made you love fit but you gotta tell you're detroit guys you're from that blue collar that that tough area what was it about philly that year in year out made you stick around because it was always, I mean, it was an up and down roller coaster for you.

See, year in, year out, you've had multiple different coaches pulled through.

Like, what was it about the city and about this organization that really made you want to be there as an Eagle your entire career?

Well,

stripping that ball on Brady, man, that helped me out a lot.

I didn't like it in Philly at first, man.

I'm telling you, like, Philly fans was so tough, man.

And it just wasn't.

it just, it just wasn't everything I wanted it to be.

But, like you say, coming from Detroit, being a fighter,

not knowing that, hey, this is your first real adversity.

It's like, how are you going to fight back?

And so, I think for me, having like guys like Trent and having guys like JP in my head, like, hey, man, like, if Chip Kelly wants you to play special teams, go play special teams.

Be the best at it, man.

Like, no sense of crying about it because I used to be like, man, I ain't never played special teams when Coach Reed was here.

And now I got to do this, play all four.

And it was an opportunity.

And so I even still use that story today

for the guys because, man, once I really had my mindset of, man, I'm going to do it.

It turned into something that I didn't even know that it would turn into where I'm on kickoff.

And them boys putting two or three on me because I'm running through the wedge.

And whoever was the one that I ran through, they needed two people.

And so

it became that.

Like, you know, and man, it was all mindset with that.

And then I think it took my career to another level because i had some adversity that i went through i conquered that by my attitude and then look look what happened man now they at their games like bg man our special teams coach was like man you need to block we need to go ahead to block 55 on kickoff because he coming down running through you know you better get your you better get your chin strap buckled up you know what i'm saying

so i was about to say you're an eagle you're an eagle favorite for for a lifetime now man you gave them happiness that they never experienced in their life twice and uh you even threw out the first pitch with saquan the other day um did you practice before you went up there were you throwing the ball around a little bit they didn't let us uh uh i had did one in michigan in detroit my only first only one i did before i actually did that one uh the last week and man nah they didn't let us go in the dugout and throw we just had to and i had the trophy in my hand and i had to throw it So it made it even like, man, we want somebody, we want to get the pick for the trophy.

And BG, you got to hold it.

Because Saquon was like, nah, I ain't holding it, I'm gonna let you hold it

because he was more worried about getting the ball over the plate.

So I was like, All right, but um, no, I didn't, I just kept it high, just kept it high, there you go, and they floated it in there, floated it in there,

yeah, that's what I should have did.

I decided to try and throw a heater.

You see, Travis's up there from the mound, no, you know, nobody should ever see that

from the mound, like an idiot, yeah, without with with no practice.

And when I tell you, I haven't thrown anything since my pick in 2015 to the new york giants

i had like i was i just i spiked it right in the ground man it was terrible oh man they laughed at you

yeah i got my redemption though in casey a few weeks after that okay i got a i got a chance to go back in casey so i did it i did it right in casey but in front of the hometown i felt like a jamote oh and oh yeah i know that was that was uh

yeah that's the bad brandon you're only the second defensive player we've had on the show, actually.

Second defensive line, too.

Yeah, you and Chris Jones.

As someone who has defended quarterback sneaks, what is your opinion on the banning of the tush push potentially?

I think it's kind of,

I don't want to say soft, but it is because, man, ain't no way.

Ain't no way.

Ain't no way I will show my hand and say, man, they need to stop this because we can't stop it.

It's like, no, because if everybody could do it, like, as we know, you got to have a personnel for it first.

Then you got to work the technique in practice.

And like we do, we just got a good thing that we got going.

And it's like, stop it, man.

Ain't nobody got hurt on it.

If anything, you know, you come out from under the under the huddle, like, oh man, I gotta, I gotta get ready for the next one.

But that's football, though.

That's what we do.

I mean, it's big grown men up front that you got to push.

And if I'm not strong enough, it won't happen.

But we got a strong goal line.

And I'm sorry.

It's it's a little soft in my opinion, but it got to get voted.

And I hate that we're here, you know, on something

that we created, but people don't like

because they don't want to see it because they can't stop it.

Let me ask you this.

If you could ban one NFL offensive play outside of the tush push, what would you ban?

Ooh, one play outside of the

crack toss.

Get that up out of there.

Ooh,

like I tell him, boy, hit me in my face, boy.

Hit me in my face.

I'm flanking.

Let me see.

You know, I'm flanking.

I'm flanking.

Oh, yeah, I know.

That's the one.

You just made me think about it because, you know, you the one that come right on the side.

It's like, boy, how you gonna get me like that?

Yeah, betty, betty, sneaky.

It's uh, you gotta sneak attack you, man.

You are doing something about children's books.

And the last book,

that's right.

BG.

This is awesome, man.

The children's book, baby.

Look at this.

BG's ABCs.

Man, this is awesome, man.

Man, I can appreciate you.

Check you out.

Check you out.

I'm here.

I wanted to get into this, BG.

You know what, man?

Me being a family, man, me,

I felt like that was right up my alley.

And, you know, just got to talking about it with some people.

And, you know, just wanted to make sure that for me.

That I that I went out there and just I wanted to add value to the world, as you know, and the kids is where we at.

And I felt like for me, man, I just wanted to do something different, something

that came up.

And my wife was like, man, she was all for it.

Like, yeah, you know, this would be sweet.

Something that you can do.

I read to the kids every night anyway.

And so I thought this would be just something that just would add more value to the season that we had on top of the person I am that my kids see me, you know, every day.

And I felt like this was a good, good opportunity for me to add some more value to my kids and something that they can look back on and be like, man, you did that.

And so that was cool.

It's awesome.

But for the most part, man, I think this was near and dear to my heart with the kids.

And I wanted my kids to see something other than just football, other than dad doing something, something cool.

Well, it definitely fits in line with Brandon Graham.

I could see a Brandon Graham book coming a million miles away.

You're a great dad.

You're a great father.

So this, I can't wait.

Cannot wait.

Check it out, everybody.

BG's ABCs.

It's going to be out May 9th, y'all.

May 9th.

Pre-order now on Amazon.

Just type in Brandon Graham book and it'll be popped up right there.

So appreciate y'all.

Hopefully it helps you in my reading, man.

Man, I'm a scrub.

I can barely read this damn rundown.

And you know what?

It's going to get better.

As you get kids, man, you're going to want to just give them everything that you got.

And I know for you, man, it's going to be cool.

But make sure, you know, you're ready when you're ready because it's going to slow you down a little bit.

There you go.

In a good way.

In a great way.

Oh, yeah, of course.

All right.

That does it for a little new news, man.

Let's talk the 2024 Eagles, man.

You guys didn't end on really a high note in 2023.

So coming into this season,

are the expectations always Super Bowl or bust?

Or is it just like, what were the expectations coming into the season in terms of in the locker room?

What were you guys talking about?

Well, we was at the lowest, I felt, in a while that we've been, especially coming off a season.

After we lost to y'all,

that was tough.

That was tough when we lost to Arizona.

But coming off that year, we just had a lot of excitement coming back because we had a lot of guys from that team.

But the lesson for me was when you got to replace coaches,

that was pretty tough because we had Desai come in.

Then we got some other people that came in.

And everybody, I feel when you have a certain amount of time, as you know, to get everybody on the same page and to be able to...

as a decoordinator come in, teach his scheme, and you have to be able to pass the message from coach to player, and the players got to be able to receive it.

It's just the timing of everything really didn't fit with the type of team we

had, and the expectations that was coming.

But I felt like

that was the lowest of lows last year when we lost, and then Kelse retired.

And everything got better.

Yeah, well,

it was crazy.

I feel so bad, man.

Y'all got a little bigger on the offensive line because

It opened up some doors, didn't it?

It opened up some doors.

Oh, man.

But yeah, it was a lot of expectations from this year just not repeating, you know, from last year.

And so when Vic came, I think Vic was able to hire other coaches that he had that was that he already was familiar with.

So that worked out perfect because the DB coach, he came in, man, he already knew Vic.

D-line coach, Coach Clint knew Vic.

I mean, Wats is a great coach already uh with us so we've been together for a while so we already knew how how to work with him and then um yeah man it's about how you who you how you working together and how you relate a message and how you teaching it and i think vic was real tough early on and man he was tough as far as like he was like source to me which i like is i'm not your friend i'm here to do my job i'm here to do my job and then if we build to that eventually you break them in you know and so i felt like we was gonna break them in one of these days and man when he came in saying some of the lingo that some of the guys say oh man you knew you had you know you knew you had him you knew it because um we was rubbing off on him in a good way because he was so tough man early on and he just thought we suck

he was like man you guys last year y'all don't work hard enough and he said that openly but i think as we got we gained his trust and his respect uh after as just going through everyday life with him and uh and by the end of the year, our goal was to get him a big smile.

And that was when he held that trophy, man.

And I got that picture on my phone where he got holding it up

and smiling.

Let's switch it up a little bit to the offense, though.

What was it like, Adam Saquon, from your perspective?

What was that?

What were those first couple practices like with a workhorse like that?

Man, when you see him hitting the hole and just know, like, he ran to the he ran to the zone every time.

Like, every time in practice, he always runs to the zone.

Run to the zone?

What's the zone?

I'm sorry.

He ran to the end zone.

He finishes everything.

Yeah,

he finished everything.

And

they always got somebody in for him.

He finished everything in the game, too.

You handed him that ball.

He's going to find a way to break away.

People don't understand when you get running backs like that that know how to train for those big gains, they know they have the home run legs and the stride and the ability to separate once they get to second level.

If they take that practice seriously and practice seriously,

it just translates to the game.

And I feel like almost every single game he played, we saw at least one in the second half when he had already ran for 100 yards.

And it was just so impressive.

And sure enough, in practice, he's taken every single run to the house.

He wore people down.

I mean,

like, I got to give Styler his credit always, man, because it started with him.

He's the technician as far as keep staying on the

offensive line, making sure that, as Kelsey knows, that you guys are working the technique right over and over and over.

And you can't get bored with the details.

And so you see Stout all the time, just

always on, always thinking next level.

And man, it just worked out so much for him this year, especially Adam Saquon.

He was the ace in the hole for us that we've been needing.

You know, just because, man, getting him, you need a home run hitter like that.

And that boy was wearing people out.

Like, you might have got him in the first half.

And if you did get him, that second half, he ready for the big one.

Right.

And I can remember the Saints game when he hit that home run, uh, going up the midwell.

You know, it's almost like the same train play that counter play.

Boy, woo, them boys.

I wouldn't want to see none of them boys coming my way, like a Jordan Mulada on a pool.

Landon Dickerson, Jordan Mulatto,

oh, that left side and Lane already a brick wall, man.

Lane hold down that right side.

And when we really like, I think Steen is gonna be a really good one this year.

We have Mackay, but I think Steen is a good one, and we probably draft one too.

But, man, we got a really good line.

Cam held up all the way through, and I don't see why we couldn't do it again, other than just staying healthy.

We did have Saquon on the show right when he had been picked up.

Yeah.

And he did mention he was glad he didn't have to hear your Smack Talk anymore.

You have to apologize for any previous shit talking or what?

Nah, nah, I ain't no apologies, man.

That's how I felt at the time.

Hey, that's why I'll never go too personal because, man, I don't want nobody looking for me afterwards.

But at that same time, like, man, I'm just trying to get in your head, trying to have a little fun while backing it up.

You know it.

But, Kelsey, just know, man, you was big.

You was a part of that too, man.

As much as, yeah, you retired, but everybody always was looking for you when you came in.

And I think we added a lot of value on just being in that building, man, because that culture is

what we did every day.

All these boys do is work and they work and they put the work in and I think we built to that man.

Now it's just more about for us just showing that love, having that access to come in.

And I don't want the hours of the coaches, but I want to be able to add value to the organization to keep it going.

Well, it's like you're reading the rundown right now, BG.

There you go.

What was the first season without the guys that you came in with?

You were the last of the Mohicans, so to speak, with Jason and Fletch retiring in 2023.

And you already know you guys share the same type of

character and desire to help these young guys out.

What was it like being the last guy

from the start that was there to show the guys coming in and to set the culture, everything?

Because you need those guys year in, year out, no matter if they're coming from a different team.

You got to have those culture setters in training camp and early on in the seasons to be able to, you know, get everybody down in the right way.

What was it like without Jason and Fletch last year?

It was different.

You know, I would see Kelsey, so it made it, it made it, made it a lot better.

But Fletch really didn't come around as much.

And I think, I don't know if he was.

Just not wanting to be around because he be hunting.

You know, I know he loving what he doing.

But, you know.

He was trying to figure out what was going on in August.

He's doing his own thing.

He's doing his own thing.

Kelsey was just doing, I mean, he was just doing his own thing.

And so it was different because that's somebody who had his locker right next to me the whole time, all the way until he was done.

So seeing someone else and Mojo Moro Ojamo is a guy that I really respect, man.

I think he's going to be a guy this year that's going to have a big year too.

Again, because it's a lot of guys on that bench already that I feel is going to add value to the team this year, especially with Milt going.

Then we got to replace sweaty, but yeah, Fletch was a guy that, man, I was uh like, dang, we were really lucky because we didn't hate.

I think the Eagles have been so well run for a long time from Jeffrey Lurie on down, obviously, Andy before he left to go to Kansas City.

There was such a culture established when we got there, whether it was Trent Cole, JP, Brent Selick,

Jason Avant.

Like, there's the Eagles have always done a great job of keeping guys around specifically for that, I think.

And everybody does it in their own way.

Some guys are going to be more vocal, like, hey,

this is stupid.

I don't know why we're doing this.

This is the dumbest thing in the world.

And you need the other guys to be like, hey, you know, let's just, let's just do it for a little bit.

We're just going to do it today.

Then we'll see how it goes.

You know what I mean?

We're going to keep out there.

Do our jobs.

But I'm dead serious.

If everybody, if you never get that side of somebody,

you know, voicing that, then nothing really gets changed.

It needs to get changed.

So the more I, I used to like early in my career, similar to you, I didn't really understand it.

I was like, man, can we just go out here and do our thing?

And then, the older you get, the more you realize, like, oh, no, it's good to voice that stuff a lot of the times because not only are they feeling it, other people in the team are feeling it, but they can't voice it because they're not the big guys, the big names.

You know what I mean?

Yep.

Yep.

I got a quick story.

My first seven years in the league, we always sat in the back of the plane.

And it just, it was what it was.

You know what I mean?

The coaches stay up late.

They got to get ready for the next game plan.

The plane didn't have like

the big, it wasn't enormous plane where there were multiple rows of like first class.

For whatever reason, my guy, Carlos Dunlop, comes in from Cincinnati and he makes his way to Kansas City.

At this point in his career, I think he's like a 10 plus, 13 plus year vet.

Oh, yeah.

Proven.

does things the right way, talks to people the right way, comes in and says, what are we sitting in the back of the plane for?

Man, you are we got to say something about this.

Like, I'm not, I'm too old to be sitting in the back of the plane.

Like, no, we got to go ahead.

We got to make, I'm just, I'm like, man, listen, Carlos, we got to choose our battles here.

Yeah, that's not the battle.

Man, the next week, he made it, he talked to somebody in the organization, and the next week we were all sitting up in first class.

Lee's back ladies,

pretty, this is pretty nice.

That's nice.

Tell you what, the Eagles ain't gonna be happy about hearing this because the Eagles still don't, everybody's still in the back right there.

Everybody.

And who used to complain about it?

Myself.

Big Fletch.

Big Fletcher.

Well, Fletch was the main one.

Fletch was the main one.

I got to get Fletch's crazy.

He's right.

It is stupid.

Why the heck are the players in the back of the play?

Especially when you got the 300-pound, you know, 6'7, 6'9, all the big, yeah, all these big offensive, defensive linemen, man.

Let them get some,

at least, let them at least get a seat that can fit in, man.

How the trainers up here, what, like, you know,

oh, I'm telling you, man, I used to not walk up.

I used to always get out the back because I never wanted to watch what go to the front because it'd be like, man, all these coaches eating all this MMs and stuff like they did.

So,

you know, man, but for real, uh, Chip Kelly, one thing I can say, what the one thing Chip Kelly had right, that boy got us in the front, boy.

He was like, We are our coaches.

They the players.

And it was like, yeah, everything else was like, all right, coach.

I did want to say before we moved on, that is one thing that I really like, and I'm sure you're going to enjoy too, BG, is, you know, we had the guys that we inherited it from with Trent and JP and Yvonne and all those guys.

Now it's really fun for me watching a guy like Jordan Malada take another step as a leader.

You know, they already got Lane Johnson in that room, but you get to see these young guys.

And you already mentioned Morrow, right?

Like a guy that comes to work.

And you're starting to see all these guys that are now going to be replacing

the backbone of

the leaders

in the locker room.

And that's something I love seeing every single day now.

I love that, man.

You're right.

Cause I am going to, because that's my biggest question.

Like, man, who going to step up in a big way this year?

I mean, I know Nolan, I'll already be talking with him.

We always, you know, converse because, I mean, we both rehabbing our our tricep.

And, you know, seeing him, I know that I'm like, man, it went from my, not even my room, because I felt I wanted Sweaty to feel not the pressure.

I want him to be able to voice his opinion.

Be out there, man.

It's your room, man.

Like, I'm just here.

Yeah, I'm the vet, but if you need me, I'm here.

But we listening to you.

We seeing you every day because you're the starter.

This is your team.

And now I'm Nolan.

It's like, man, you the one.

You the one now.

When the guys come here.

He stepped up too, man.

He did, man.

I'm proud of him.

A lot of strides, man.

He gave me fits in the game it was interesting because the the play in the run was always the knock it's like he's lighter and how's he gonna do it and man he would cut pulling tackles trying to kick him out he's got heavy hands man he's setting the edge oh he got a heavy hit and i mean no gloves too like that's the thing man i got much respect bro put some gloves on put some gloves on i ain't got no respect why you why are you not wearing the gloves hey who are you trying to impress we all know your hands are gonna work just as good with them gloves on and they're gonna like i don't know you right you're right

I don't like this, like, oh, I'm too cool.

I don't wear gloves.

It's only an advantage.

Put the goddamn gloves on, all right?

Yeah, yeah.

When that ball come in and that thing's sticky, and it's sticky, it got you.

You know, but yeah, I'll with you.

I'm with you, Kelsey.

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All right, Lissa, let's throw it back to the 2010 NFL draft.

Did you always know it was going to be the Eagles?

No, I only met with them 15 minutes, man.

That was at the Kanban and

at that hotel where they had all the meetings at one point, but I think it's different, they said now.

But yeah, I was just 15 minutes, Matt McDermott, I mean Sean McDermott, and then it was Coach Reed.

I remember them talking going over my Iowa game because that was a big game of the year.

We was going through going through different plays and that

I made.

I think I probably had like three, two sacks that game and it was like a big, it was a big one.

We lost, but it came down to the last, to the end, and just had a big game.

And so it was cool, talk with them.

And then that was it.

How was that 15-minute meeting with Coach Reed?

It It was intimidating, man, because you know, as you know,

like

not smiling at all.

Like, man, I didn't really, even when I got to got in the league, it was like, man, he didn't talk to us, like, for real, unless you was just a guy that just went out and made plays.

And as I continued, like, by my third year, he started to say little things like great, like, man, great job.

Like, you know, you can see his excitement when people made plays.

Like, how I would see it with like Shady,

like the offensive side always would get that out of him, especially on offense.

But on defense, you had to really work to get that, get that from him.

But yeah, Coach Reed, he was tough, man.

And I see him now with y'all.

And I love that he got a ring finally, man.

Because, well, a couple now, but more than a couple.

But you know what I mean?

Like when he was here, he would always before he had that ring.

Yeah, before he got stopped at the door, you know, went through some garbage, man, at the end of his stuff.

but the reward was so much greater, losing his son and all that, man, being there for that

and being there for him during that time, all that stuff, man.

That's why I was so happy, happy for him.

We lost, but that's why I had to walk up on him and grab him at the end because I had to pay the respect for one I ain't want to run in that moment because as much as I wanted to go to that locker room, boy, and not just dap people up, I had to.

eat it and be like, you know what, be a professional, man.

Go out and give, because when your time come, you're going to want the same thing.

And so I went to talked to Coach, talked to you, talked to Frank Clark at the time because you know, he went to Michigan.

And it was just, and I felt good, man.

Even at that party, it made me feel a lot better talking it out with the team and what went wrong.

And I hope you went to the party.

If not, it's all good, but it just was refreshing

after we talked about it.

And it didn't feel so bad after we lost.

But I was so happy for Coach Reed, though, man, because he, as you know,

he's an A-list coach, man, and somebody that, you know, you're going to miss when he gone.

A-list human being right there.

What does Andy even ask a D-lineman in an interview?

Can you remember?

I mean, I know it was 15, 16 years ago, but

yeah,

did he ask much or was it mostly McDermott and the D-line coaches and all that?

It was mostly McDermott.

Mostly McDermott talking.

Coach Reed just probably was just sitting back, just kind of watching.

And then when I remember when I left, like, he just was talking, you know, like low how he talked.

He wasn't like, it wasn't no excitement.

It was all serious at the time for me, man.

You know, me coming in, I'm just like, what up, Coach?

Hey, y'all, hey, you know, that, all that.

But it wasn't, it wasn't as many smiles as much as it was smiles on draft day when they drafted me.

They was just asking me about, you know, my stuff that I think, I think.

We was more of a topic at one point in college, you know, just talk about the smoking and all that stuff.

But I didn't really have no off-the-field stuff in college.

It was, I think I had, had a, what was it, one disorderly conduct for my speakers in my car, you know, stuff like that.

I think that's what they that's nothing.

Yeah, just being disruptive.

Like, it was one of them I had to answer to.

I'm a coach.

I like that.

All right.

He's disruptive.

Yeah,

I know.

I want my defensive end to be disruptive.

Yeah.

So, you know, we talked about that.

Yeah.

And then we talked about that's it.

I'm just being honest.

If somebody comes to me and they're like, I got two defensive ends.

They're in the exact same speeds, same times.

And the only other other information they give me is like one of them never really talks and it's super quiet and the other one is super disruptive i'm like i'm taking the disruptive one give me the disruptive give me shorterly cotton give me that one give me that one he got some aggression boy he ran right yeah yeah got a fire in his belly i like it uh-huh man you were uh you were already uh you were already in the eagles uniform but what what was your first impression of when jason Kelsey got on the team?

First impression?

Can you remember your first time being like, who the fuck is this guy?

It was the entire season.

Well, you know what?

That hair, it's that hair.

The hair at the time, man.

He had the long hair.

He had the long hair.

You know,

he wasn't that.

He was flowing out the helmet.

Like cape on.

He had the cape on.

And then we had

who we have?

We had Mud, huh?

Mud at that time.

Yeah, Howard Mudd.

Danny Watkins.

Danny Watkins.

Firetran.

The fireman with the bottom.

Danny definitely was not at, I mean, he was there more than he was

playing football for real.

Yeah, I got much respect for Danny, though.

He used it.

Seriously.

He used it, man.

He used it.

At the end of the day, Danny just wanted to be a fireman instead of a football player more.

I mean, there ain't nothing wrong with that.

I respect the hell out of it.

I respect it.

I respect it.

Now, it's pretty crazy.

He got drafted in the first round and then

having that mentality.

I just saw something a couple of years ago.

He saved somebody's life being a fireman.

Like, hey, Danny doing his thing hell yeah danny yeah danny is doing his thing man i mean you know he found his niche for after i remember my brother telling me

that danny bought a fire truck like one that they weren't using anymore and was just driving around the city and i'm like jason is just going around hammering beers riding around philly

we took it to the game i'm like man people probably got out the way huh i'm in college still i'm like what the kind of life is this guy living out there in philadelphia man?

We took it to the game.

It might have been the game.

I tore my ACL.

I don't even remember, but we took it to the game.

One of them, I'm in there with an axe with a big old mustache or something like that.

I can't remember.

The photos out there somewhere.

You got a favorite Jason Kelsey story from your time there?

We all know about the trash cans and the helmets being thrown during practices and stuff.

Come on,

you got any good stuff outside of those?

You know what?

If I had to think about,

you know what?

some of his speeches, man, was great, especially like during COVID years when we was inside the bubble, man.

Like, I just felt like your speeches always hit home because of, you know, just the realness of them, man.

And, you know, I just always respect just how, like, you guys on here, y'all be vulnerable and crying and all that stuff.

Like, me, I was growing, I grew up, you know, my mom used to be on me about crying.

And so, man, I used to be so tough.

Even this, even it felt so good crying when I had did my speech because, man, it's just been a while.

You know what I'm saying?

You always try to be too tough.

And it's like, man, I love that you guys, you know, wear that emotion on your sleeve, man, because, I mean, we need more of that as men getting that stuff out.

And so I've gotten a lot better with that.

And I always admire that you can, you know, do that.

And so, man, I felt for me, you know, just even with the speeches, you know, we always listen because we knew that you're just not a bullshitter, man.

Like, you know, you might laugh and have fun and all this stuff here and there, but it's more of like

when when you do get you you know opening up and doing some stuff man it's always cool because you can tell that it means something to you so that's that's what just telling you my inspiration of your inspiration on how you inspired you know just me on just like man how you can know your emotions like you know what i'm saying and and and be okay with that

for real man well every single time i was trying not to i was trying not to cry but i couldn't help it but yeah that's what it just comes out of this yeah it's in the blood but i can respect it i gotta say my biggest BG memory, I mean, there's a lot of them, but the one I really think about is the trash talking before the Giants came.

I still think about that.

Because all year, Big Dexter Lawrence had been beating the crap out of centers.

And I'm getting ready to go.

I got to be on my game right now.

This is big game for us.

First playoff game of 2022.

Yep.

This dude has been killing people.

I had already played him a couple times, so I'd already used a lot of my tricks.

So I'm like, man, I don't know if I'm going to be able to trick him this time.

I don't know if I'm going to be able to trick him this time.

I got to trick him into being tricked.

Yeah,

I'll play the trick.

I got to go.

He's going to think I'm doing this.

I got to go over here and do that.

And BG is just talking so much shit to this dude.

And I see Dexter up there, and he's like, Yeah, oh, yeah.

He's getting madder and madder.

I'm like, God damn it, BG's making my job so much harder.

No, he's just making the job easier because now he's going to be aggressive.

And that's how you really trick somebody.

You get a real aggressive, and then you can start pulling the chair and get them off their body.

It was all good.

It ended up being perfect.

It was a great game for us.

So everybody was playing good.

BG, we got to talk more about the trash talking, man.

We've shouted out your trash talking so much on this show.

Everyone in the league always put you up there in the top of the list in terms of being able to dish it and back it up.

When did you start trash?

Has it always been a part of your game?

Has this just always been how you enjoy playing the game?

Or did you, like, at some point say something to somebody and found out oh i could i could change the way they play and the way they they react to to what's going on i think me being trash talk especially in detroit uh because people used to come for me because being a linebacker i play a linebacker and then when you start making a name for yourself everybody want to come for you you know and gun for you and so uh people used to talk stuff to me yeah because i used to be a person that used to lead by example by how I do and not really talk about it.

But then people started saying, man, I want to hear you, man.

Like, you know, you leader of our team, and they want to.

And I used to be nervous on like talking.

I mean, I've grown to this where I talk a lot now, but it's like, at first, it used to be just me doing my job.

And then when I get, when I get going, I can feel my juice.

Yeah, yeah, what you say, you know what I'm saying?

Like, all the stuff you talk to me.

Yeah, what you say?

I don't hear you talking now, that type of stuff.

But as I got to the league, it became more animated, more fun.

Always try not to cuss because I felt like that's when the refs throw the flag.

I try to have something a little funny, but at the same time, you know, I'm serious.

Man, I just knew we would go out there for it'd be like hot as hell training camp.

We're all tired of being out there.

Is this happening?

Oh, bro, it never stops.

Yeah, yeah.

We going out there.

We going out there for like two-minute drill or whatever, and be like, yeah, fat boy, you know what's coming.

You know what's coming, fat boy.

I'd be like, man, what kind of snap?

What kind of hard con was that?

What is that?

Hey, like, like Kelsey Dewitt's little, that look?

Yeah.

I'm like, man, you ain't fooling nobody with that.

Oh, man, we had some fun, boy.

I'm definitely one thing about it, man.

I'm going to miss them that time, them practices, especially because practices got a lot easier, man.

Because in the beginning, it used to be tough, man.

Coach Reed.

Oh, my.

Oh, goodness.

Training.

A little drive drill.

Trying to get a little drive drill in.

Oh, you're getting me fired.

You're about to get ready for that.

We got to see who's tough on our team.

First weekend, when we get them pads, Coach Reed, boy, when we was up in Lehigh, he wanted to make see who was going to quit and who was going to be the people that, you know, was going to be the people that we was going to take for the team.

And man, we used to do nine on seven.

Right.

Team run.

Then you got, like you say, long drive drill in the end of practice.

And it's like, boy, aren't you crazy?

You know,

he hasn't changed it one bit.

He hasn't changed it one bit.

It's still that exact.

We always start off with team, one quick blitz, and then we're straight into nine on seven.

Nine on seven, boy.

I love it, man, because you really do see some stuff.

Yeah, you might wear it on a little bit, but it ain't two a days like how we was.

Just imagine two a days like how where we doing that one practice that you talking about, but then we got to do it again, and it ain't no mercy.

It wasn't like he'd be like, okay, they had a rough, a rough one in the beginning.

Let's get it.

It's just like no next man up everybody had a rough one in the beginning you're about to have another one right here let me ask you this what is is there an art form to trash talking you do a little background a little background yeah you do a little background like uh knowing like i follow the page i follow your page see what you got up see what you're into

uh talk about some get you all get you all

i do like you know where i learned it from i learned it from a little bit of like you know just other players on just like man look at their instagram you could tell you could tell exactly what kind of stuff they into.

Talk with them.

Like, you know what I'm saying?

And so I started doing that later on in my career.

Sure.

When social media, you know, just became more accessible, like how it is now, where you can really just.

look on somebody page.

You can kind of tell.

Find anything you want to find.

Find anything.

Anything.

And so I started doing that more, but I didn't go like personal.

Some stuff was just, I didn't want, like I told you, I didn't want nobody coming looking for me after the game.

But like a guy like Donald Penn.

Oh, yeah.

Like, yeah, I used to talk my stuff to him, especially like during that time where like that, like spicy chicken sandwich stuff popped up.

It made me think about him.

Cause I remember

he used to get in trouble.

Like,

you know, those Popeyes, like, you know, and I was like, yeah, man, we about to whoop y'all.

Cause I know you done had about a couple of them.

You know what I'm saying?

That type of stuff.

Because I knew that he was a guy that they had his contract where if he made sure he stayed under a way, he can get an incentive on that.

So when I found that out, oh man, I started messing around.

That's hilarious.

Stuff like that.

You know what I'm saying?

Nothing like a good heavy joke.

Oh, yeah.

I mean,

I know every week was like, all right, BG, come on, man.

Where you at?

Jump on the scale.

Yes, I'm good today.

Thank you.

You know what I'm saying?

That's what I am going to be happy about.

But I promise you,

I'm about to.

Hey, I bet you everybody had money on the plus side of it.

Like, nah, we're going to see.

BG going to be

slim goody when I get done.

I'm not going to lie.

Just so you know, BG, uh-huh everybody thinks you're gonna turn into an overweight mess oh yeah because you would show up to oh you would show up to training camp every year a big i know to your to your credit you would lose weight uh-huh but we know you like them cookies bg oh yeah we know you like them cookies

oh man you know i love just just sweets but let me tell you i've been working out as you can see kelse i was in there with you today i'm gonna make sure i i'm just trying to keep that routine because you're right i know I know Fletch can't wait.

Fletch over there, Fletch, the ringleader of it.

Like, yeah,

exactly.

Exactly.

BG is going to be this.

I bet you.

I put my money down.

It's money down already, but you better get, I'm about to pick it right up.

I might bet Fletch after this conversation.

I've had so much more self-control because my wife, you know, she is killing it.

And she.

She don't play.

Carla ain't playing.

Yeah.

That's too funny.

She on play.

And she like, look, we about to have, we about to be in weddings.

We about to do all this stuff.

And you out here, you better make sure that you're right.

I'm like, I got you, baby.

And so, there we go, accountability in the house, because I need an accountability partner.

And so, she the one, she the one she kind of reminds me of Vic Fangio a little bit.

You know, she got a little bit of that Vic Fangio.

I made sure, I make sure I really want to make change if I tell her.

If I tell her, because I don't want her on me, man, saying, Hey, you said you was going to do this.

Why are you over there doing that?

It's like, oh my goodness, like, I can't have a snack, or you know

it's just what it's just one baby

all righty let's get to a game we're gonna play with you bg did you sack him oh

okay

did you sack him that's right brought to you by american express yeah you played in over 200 nfl games and recorded over 82 career sacks

yep so we're going to ask you today did you sack him we're going to give you the quarterback's name and you tell us if you sacked him Let me see if I'm real good at this.

Let me see.

See if you can remember.

Yeah.

All right.

I'll start with an easy one.

Tony Romo.

Sacked him.

I can see a picture of mine right now.

Sacked him.

Drew Breeze.

Oh, yes, I did.

I sacked him.

Yep.

I think it was a strip.

Strip sack, too.

Oh, okay.

Okay.

All right, now.

All right, now.

Not many, not many times, but I did sack him though.

All right, uh, Eli Manning.

Man, let me see.

I'm gonna go with yes.

You have, I have,

I have for so long.

Played him a bunch.

I did.

Had to.

Andrew Luck.

Nope.

Never got him?

Never got him.

Okay, okay.

All right.

DB got him.

DB got him when he played, when we was, it was the year 2018.

Last play, DB ended up getting him of the game, but no, I didn't get him.

I didn't get him.

Lamar Jackson.

Yep, sacked him.

I chased him down to the sideline.

Sacked him.

He ran out of bounds.

He ran out of bounds.

So, you know, it was behind the line sacked.

So it was like, yes.

That counts.

That counts.

That counts.

It's on the stats sheet, baby.

Yep.

Then it counts.

But speaking of that,

what was it like chasing Lamar down?

Man, that boy fast.

And I mean, when I tell you, he is explosive.

And he stopped at the drop of a dime.

Like, you got to really take your shot with him because if you playing around like him and he just, he going to take off on you.

So I just took my shot and he went out of bounds and they caught

a sack.

That was a sack at the end of the game.

They were the closest one to him.

Closest one to him, boy.

There you go.

You're on a roll right now.

You got all these rights so far.

Aaron Rodgers.

Aaron Rodgers, that's a good one right there because I did not sack him at all.

What?

Nope.

I don't know.

I can't.

I got to remember.

Let me see.

We got him as the you did sack him.

Oh, for real?

How many?

How many?

Because hold on.

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

I did sack him 2017.

Yep, I did sack him.

I sacked him.

Okay.

I think we're 26.

I know we played him and I remember Nigel Bradham.

Nigel Bradham, the year, the game that he caught the pick at the end of the game up there.

Because we had another

20, that was 2018, 2018.

Yeah, 2018.

Yeah, 2018.

Yeah, Aaron.

Because Aaron wasn't, it wasn't often with Aaron either.

Like, you know, like, I couldn't get him.

He gets the ball out quick, yeah.

Man, that ball quick, you know, so he was another, he was one that I wanted to get.

What about another all-time great Peyton Manning?

Peyton Manning,

yes.

I sacked him.

I sacked him.

Oh, no, no.

Sure.

No, you right.

You got away.

You got it

I didn't get him.

The sheriff had to have had some fun trash talking you back, man.

He was one that I would talk to, but he just would look at me like, you know, be like, yeah, uh-huh.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, even like his brother, his brother was the same way.

Eli.

You know, Eli just kind of like, you know, do this little.

And just kind of look and go back to the huddle.

But, you know, who used to talk stuff back to me?

Philip Rivers, Philip Rivers, oh, I was about to say Rivers.

I've heard you say

he's already up there.

He was uh, he was one boy that just hit you on your butt, yeah, how about that, you know, hit you with a uh, like I just remember, remember him first down, hit me on my butt, first down.

Like, how about that one?

You know, that, and it was like, oh, okay, you hitting me, you touching me, okay, back, back, too funny.

Oh, that game, that Packers game is 2019, my bad, 2019.

Oh, 2019, okay, okay.

Is there a quarterback you never sacked, but wish you did?

Let me go through this list real quick.

Who did I didn't touch that I wanted to?

I mean, of course,

it would have been cool to get a picture with Vic, you know, sacking him, but I got

practice of pictures and stuff like that.

But it's so different, you know, when you're in action.

So Vic would have been one if he would have still been in Atlanta playing down there.

But I will, you know, just to say I had to got a sack on Vic.

And then I got one on Dak.

I love getting sacks on the Cowboys quarterbacks, especially at their place.

At their place, it ain't nothing like getting a win in Jerry's world, boy.

Because

Jerry had said one time

that, yeah, y'all drafted him high.

Like, he ain't, you know, he said something, and I had it in my locker.

Dang, I wish, I'm going to get the words.

If I can, if I can find that article, and it just talked about me going high, I would have had him there if it it was my pick or whatever.

And so I was like, okay.

And so always, so I always, me being with the Eagles, and yeah, I noted that, and that's why I kind of started building that, that,

not even, I wouldn't say hatred, but you know, that, that rivalry with the Cowboys.

That excitement to play.

That excitement, excitement to play, you know, with them.

Who's the hardest QB you've ever had a chance to like tackle?

Who's the hardest Cam?

Cam.

Cam.

Big Cam Newton.

Or Ben Rothersberger.

Ben Rothersberger.

Yeah, Ben Rothersberger.

It was too slippery.

He was slippery.

Yeah, I got a bunch of people.

That's a slippery big guy, man.

That's too funny.

Cam is a, I mean, he's a juggernaut, man.

The guy,

he could have played any position on the field, let alone how great he was at QB, man.

Getting that dude down.

I remember watching the first, one of the first games of this, it might not even been the first game of the season, but when he was playing for Auburn,

he was running around.

I was like, oh, I'm like, man,

is this stiff arms and all that stuff man it was just like running through over around everybody his extension his extension on just like you know his whole body i ain't want to you know say something be like people say pause but you know his length i was saying

yeah big dude man and ben though ben was slippery so if i had to say my sacks against being i never took him down it was more like blew the end of the whistle just blowing because you got him you know that that type of uh sack trying to wrap him up.

Yep,

too funny, man.

Yeah, and that was Did You Sack Him?

Brought to you by American Express.

Pretty good, pretty nice.

You were all right.

You mean you got a little shaky there, but you did good.

You did good.

You nailed it.

Nah, he might have.

He was a little.

I was a little, I was a little like, I could remember.

He didn't Aaron Rodgers.

He finally came around to it.

Paid Manny.

Paid Manny, too.

Paid Manny, yeah.

I thought I got him.

That was good, though.

That was pretty good.

That was, it's hard.

When you got 82 of those things, oh man, it's hard.

I want to definitely get all of them on the uh on the uh usb so i can go back to it and watch them i'm gonna uh i'm gonna get pat dole going to do that for me make me a usb

i'm sure pat's gonna be happy about that one he'll be excited about it i'll give him a shout out i'm gonna give him a shout out uh let him know when uh when he do it tell everybody yeah pat did this for me gotta love it man

We got to our final section called We Gotta Ask.

We're going to ask you a bunch of rapid-fire questions.

Okay.

You don't have to answer them.

You can tell us the fuck off, but we are going to ask them.

Now that Lane is alone of the core four that we've been nicknamed, I guess, who does he miss most out of me,

you, and Fletcher Cox?

I got to say Kelsey because Kelsey in the room and he knows you.

Right.

He mow you on the deeper, on a deeper, because being in the room is so different, man.

It makes a difference.

It makes a difference.

Getting cussed out by your coach and how you respond to it is everything.

Then, how about this?

Who does he miss the least?

I had to say he missed,

he gonna miss.

Ooh, that's a good one right there.

Yeah.

So I'm gonna go with my boy Fletch because he's mad at the world right now.

Fletch's mad at the world because that's Super Bowl, man.

I told his bud to come on back.

I thought he was, though.

I thought he was going to come back.

Who are you telling, Jason?

I'm not mad at all.

I'm happy.

I don't want to play in that game.

I was done playing football.

I know.

I'm at this point now where I'm with you.

I'm with you, Kelse.

Like, I'm getting to that point of like, man, it's over.

It's over.

It's cool.

Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, it just.

I have my time.

I have my time.

And, you know, the next thing is I got a week to get my locker cleaned up.

Like, that's what Greg just gave me, a week before I'm moving in to the next.

Because OTAs are starting to need that locker.

Yeah, they need that locker.

So it was sad today when I heard it.

He told me, like, hey, man, I'm giving you that week notice.

I know you've already been cleaning it out, but I'm going to need it.

I'm going to ask Howie, you know, if it's like, if I can extend you a little bit, but if not, you know, you just got a week.

And I'm like, all right, bet, you know, and it kind of hit me like dang boy i've been here 15.

damn you know now it's like but i'm i'm happy though i'm so happy that it's over the the stresses of it is over but yeah go ahead keep the questions coming favorite great lake oh i'm gonna i'm i'm gonna go uh i'm gonna go lake like uh lake michigan no lake

true up right lake

i can say lake

you right lake

come on man that's the what's what we share when i went up to lake michigan it was like ooh.

Yeah, it's a little more beautiful.

Which one, would I rather swim in?

Yeah, I'm going to go Lake Michigan.

No, for real.

That's the way you're going there.

I ain't swimming in Lake Erie.

Yep.

Or Lake Huron.

Lake Huron.

Huron is cool, too.

Jason, you can ask this question, Jason.

If you could detach any body part, what would you detach?

If I had to detach any body part, I would detach.

You can put it back on.

You can put it back on.

Oh, okay.

You can take it off and on.

Probably one of my, like a foot or something like that.

Like, you know, just kind of take a foot off.

Take it off.

What would you do with it?

Put it up and go to bed, you know, and then put it back on.

Hey, that'll be like, oh man, I'm taking my foot off, you know, to go rest.

And then when it's time to get back, you know, put it, you know, you can separate it.

You can separate it.

There you go.

Separate it.

You know, where I can get out the bed, baby.

I took my foot off already.

I took my foot off, baby.

My foot's up there on the

fireplace.

I can't be getting up and doing that.

Let me go get my sleep, baby.

I'll see you in the morning.

I can't go fold these clothes right now.

My foot is over there.

Yeah, that's a good one right there.

I wouldn't, I don't know.

I mean, I wouldn't do nothing up here because this, this is where you, you know, I feel like with that.

But if I'm chilling and I want to kind of have an excuse, I'll do something with my lower leg.

All right.

All right.

Now that you're retired, is Big Dime still on your favorite call or your

call list, your favorites list?

Oh, yeah.

Dime going to always be that because

I gotta make sure that anything that's going on in the city you know i want to know about just so that i can know know where not to go

yeah

because uh

philly uh in the beginning of my career uh some certain places that i just go eat or just like i just wanted certain cheese steaks i'd be like hey dom is this cool to be over here you say yeah you you're all right during the day just don't be over there hanging around say all right bet you know i'm gonna go get some food over there real quick i'm gonna be in and out i'm gonna be in and out so yeah, Don was always a good, he's always going to be on the favorites.

You got to talk about your time at Ann Arbor, man.

I was actually at one of your springball practices as a recruit.

That's crazy.

And when I tell you that there was no chance I was ever getting a scholarship to go to Michigan

to play quarterback, I was actually in the QB room while guys like Chad Henney, Ryan Mallett, were going over springball practices.

And man, it felt like every single play was double post to Mario Manningham.

It was crazy.

I was like, I was just sitting there listening to the lingo.

It was crazy being on those practices, man.

The prestige and the history at Michigan, you could feel it as soon as you walked on campus.

Yep.

And was that, was that like a huge part of you going to

Michigan?

You know, I did love the traditions and I love the saying of those who stay will be champions.

And it's like, you start here in the back.

The rookies, we're freshmen start in the back.

And if you make it down to the front, you know, you usually, by the time you got there, you usually be a champion.

And I didn't get that, like, but I love that slave.

I didn't get that.

I didn't get that.

I didn't get that.

But I made it all four years.

But, you know, I had Chip, I had Rich Rod for two years, and I had

Coach Carr, Coach Lori Carr for two years.

My first two with him.

And then with Den Rich Rod came in.

But my only two that I really felt like I could have got there as a champion was Coach Carr because my first year, we was number two, Ohio State number one.

and i think yeah we lost uh to them then we went to the rose bowl lost to um john david booty that was the quarterback yeah and we ended up losing both last two games uh the one in the championship to win get our get us a ring and then uh we lost in the rose bowl but that was a good experience my first year then the second year we went 10 and two we didn't have a chance because they got the playoffs now but we would have been in the playoffs that year uh and that would have been cool to kind of go through this type of style that they had now but those was the only chance I had.

But those who stay will be champions.

That tradition that Michigan brought just from some of the guys that's been there.

My dad was a big Michigan fan, so we used to go every weekend, every Saturday, he'd cut my hair, and then we'd watch the game.

Then I'd go back home to my mom, stuff like that.

So when they came calling, it was a no-brainer after my junior year.

I committed right away and was just happy to have that.

And then all these other teams started coming out of nowhere.

That's cool, man.

Could the average person rush for a yard in the NFL?

The average American weighs 199.8 pounds and is 5'9.

Well, let me tell you this.

If they can take the hit, which I think they can't, you know, fumble.

I mean, if anything,

they can get one.

They can get one.

But you gotta...

Hey, you have a dang-on Fred Warner come get you and take your head off.

Then it's like.

oh, okay, you're going to rethink it.

Yeah, you can get a yard, but can you hold on to that ball when you get hit?

Right.

That's it.

We haven't heard that one yet.

Aaron Donald has said that Jason is the lineman he hated playing against the most.

Who's the least favorite lineman that you've ever lined up against?

Teron Smith, man.

That was a guy that even at this level,

it was like, man, what I didn't like sometimes is he liked to swipe your hand down.

Like, you know, that swipe down when you bull, because

I like to bull rush and catch him with the bull.

And he used to swipe my hands down.

I would fall to the ground.

I used to call him all kinds of names.

And like, man, that's soft.

That's soft.

You out here, you know, but he was a guy that I respect, man, because he always switched it up.

When I did get two and a half, two against him one game, it was so cool because, man, he was tearing me up in the beginning in his prime a little bit.

And I'm just giving him some credit because we had some battles, but for the most part, that was a guy that I always was like, oh, man, I don't, you know, I got to get ready.

You know, you got to get ready.

Yeah, got to get ready.

That's a great point.

I respect that one.

What was your welcome to the NFL moment?

Let me tell you, I know this one was coming, boy.

That boy,

what's his name?

Daniels, D-Tackle, that was at the Packers.

What's his name?

Why can't I think his first name?

Oh, D-Lime.

You know what I'm talking about.

But we was on, remember what I was telling you on kickoff.

I became the creator name.

I created a name for myself.

And we were playing the Packers.

And that year, it was

Mike Daniels.

Mike Daniels.

Yeah.

Yeah, Mike Daniels.

He was on the wedge.

and so these kids will never know what the wedge is.

These guys will never

know what it was like, never know.

We kicked the ball off, and Mike Daniels, like they told him, you know, he's gonna be the guy that's blocking me or whatever, but I don't, I ain't care because I ain't think think nothing of it.

I'm running,

we kicked it left, and they have a return right.

So as I'm running right, he already went right, but he's sizing me up.

And this one crack back, this one crackbacks was still going.

Yeah, that no ambush block.

The ambush, the ambush.

boy i turn i'm looking at the back as i'm going this way all i remember is just looking up because that boy that hit me that hard where i'm my feet in the air i'm gonna get that clip i'm gonna get that clip boy because i gotta find this clip we gotta get that clip man because on kickoff return there was back in 2013 2014 one of them years where chip kelly where i was playing special teams and we was playing the packers this one they had eddie lacey too because he was a he was another one man that gave me a headache when i used to hit him when he was good

during that time when that boy was like moving.

But man, Mike Daniels gave me that welcome to the NFL moment where it was like, Yeah, that boy right there, I don't never like the next kickoff, I was down there looking like, Where are you at?

Exactly, put your head on a swivel on a swivel this time.

That was the first time I turned down a hit where I was like, Man, I don't want to get hit like that no more.

So that was that moment.

No,

that was that moment.

Should blind side blocks be illegal, or should you still be allowed to do those?

I can't, I can't.

Like, for me, I would always love it because that used to be my game too.

I used to catch some people in college, I mean, high school, college.

You know, it's a great one when somebody ran them off and you catch them.

Oh, man, sit your little butt down.

But, yeah, but now that we can't do it and then somebody tried to catch you like that, I try to talk stuff about them.

But for the most part, that was what I did too.

So, I would have to say, I would love for it to be back in the game because it brought like one of them, like them highlights for real.

I just don't get they say like it's a defensive, defenseless player.

What the hell happen to have your head on a swivel?

Yeah, what are you talking about?

You got to defend yourself.

I don't get this at all.

That's the whole point of the league.

It's like, man, like when you're out there on that field, you better keep your head on the swivel because people without their gunning while the play is going, you got to keep your head on the swivel.

So exactly.

Yeah, man, I would love for it to be back, but you know, we're in this player safety league right now.

So, hey, we got to do it.

We got to do it.

It's evolving.

It's evolving.

Hopefully, it gets back to it, man.

I got one more question for you.

Which is your favorite Super Bowl?

Oh, 2017?

2017.

Easy.

Okay.

Because

of that play against Brady, man, like I told you, it changed my life.

It changed my whole life.

I saw that picture a bunch of it.

Man,

I still don't understand it because everybody still be coming to these appearances.

And I'll be like, man, how did I not meet this person?

Man, I thought I feel like I'd have met everybody in the world.

But because

it's like, man, that picture right there, man, it's nothing like it.

It was, it changed my life.

And then, on top of that, got my first one.

That was my first championship that I was ever in at any level where, you know, I got a ring afterwards.

And so it was like, man, it was cool to

me and Philly, we all was dying for a ring and a championship.

And we got it that way.

So 2017 will always be near and dear.

But this one, man, was the one, too.

Cause, man, that defense, I ain't never seen the defensive style play that we did this week.

I mean, that week of practice and it's translated to the game.

So I'm,

but I got to go 2017.

Awesome.

Well, that's awesome, man.

BG, I got to say,

I can't thank you enough for coming on.

I mean, this has been awesome.

This was great.

Thank you for the stories, man.

That shit was amazing.

Oh, this was real, man.

I love watching y'all, boys.

I'm sure I'll see you up at Nova Care.

I better see you there because I'm going to make a bet with Fletch about this weight loss.

Let's go.

I I love you.

You'll be eating them cookies, BG.

I ain't going to be eating them, you know, every periodically, man.

It ain't going to go nowhere because I got these kids.

These kids be like, hey, dad, can we go get some ice cream?

And you know, I want some too.

So, yeah, that's right.

But

I ain't going to do it often.

I got my, and don't forget to check out BG's book.

BG's ABC's, man.

Thank y'all.

Gotta love him, man.

Congrats on a hell of a career, man.

I'll catch you up there in Philly or sometime soon on the links, man.

We'll catch up.

Okay, looking forward to it.

dude.

Brandon Graham.

How about that one, baby?

What a guy, man.

Legend.

Dude, the shit talking stories were fucking epic.

Everything, the guy could tell a story, too.

I can't wait to see what his post-NFL career looks like.

I know he'll stay around the game and make sure he passes the wisdom and everything.

He's just that kind of guy, man.

And Philly, I don't even think they knew exactly what they were getting when they drafted him all the way back in, what is it, 2010?

9, 10, 10,'cause I was 11.

He was a year before me.

Yeah, I mean, he ended up being an all-time ego.

I mean, he's obviously, I mean, literally the all-time leader in games played.

Yeah, couldn't ask for a better person.

More importantly, I mean, great family man, too.

Coming out with a children's book, it's so like Fitz Brandon's, what he stands for.

Like, just,

he's a tremendous person.

So couldn't be happier that he came on the show and looking forward to see what he gets up to next.

Especially staying away from the cookies.

It's hard.

It's hard to stay away away from the cookies.

It is.

All right, now, before we get into some no-dumb questions, I got to make a little statement in the don't believe everything you read, kids, category, or nice realm

that you see online.

Some false claims were thrown out there that I was doing something in the community that I was not.

And I'm not even going to talk about it specifically.

I don't want to bring any more attention to that whole nonsense and article and all that stuff.

But if you ever want to know exactly what I'm doing in the community, just go to 87runny.org.

We're always trying to get out there and get in the Kansas City communities and the Cleveland community.

But, you know, this time I wasn't doing what was falsely claimed by the social channels or the outlets posting all this AI stuff.

So just wanted to set the record straight.

Appreciate everybody

for always trying to show love,

especially Pat Baghafe is always trying to look out for the guys in the sports, guys and women in the sports world.

And yeah, thanks you guys.

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Here's...

We got a voicemail coming in.

What's up, fellas?

My name is

I'm a Lions fan, but I love the show.

Okay.

Okay.

Deech Roy.

Awesome.

I'm 18, so I'm not a parent.

But

I was going to ask 18, so I'm not a parent.

What the fuck does that mean?

What advice would you give to a parent that wants to teach their kid

how to be better at golf?

I'm just, I'm really, I'm really bad bad at golf, guys, and I, you know, I need help.

So

you're at, please.

So there's a weirdest way of asking us.

Have a good day.

Go lying.

Such a weird way to ask us to help him with this golf game.

What did the water boy ask Mr.

Insano?

Hey, I'm Noah.

I'm 18, so I'm not a parent.

And I was like, fuck, where are we going with this?

He just wants to let everybody know he's the child in this.

He needs, he wants advice to tell his parents on what to do to make him a better golfer, it sounds like.

From two football players.

Well, I mean, I consider myself an average golfer.

Well, I would say first thing is probably the thing that you've already considered, and that's get lessons.

Nah.

Nah, you're right.

The rule of 10,000, bud, just pick up a stick and go hit that fucking thing, man.

That legitimately is.

My number one thing is just play a bunch of golf.

Dude, just go out there.

Every lie is going to be different.

You're going to need to, you know, have a few extra balls in your pocket when you go and play golf the next time.

Not so you can cheat, so you can take the same shot multiple times.

That way you're getting used to taking all the different random ass above your feet, below your feet, behind, up, up a hill, down like the slopes and all the divots and all the different types of grass.

There's so many different fucking shots.

You're going to be overwhelmed by it if you just jump into it.

But

it's going to be fun.

I got a good friend right now that's actually picking up the sticks for the first time, man.

Demetrius, he was fucking hacking it.

He was hacking it out.

Get the fuck out of here.

Oh, man.

But it was funny to see him get into it.

Every single shot, after every single hole, he's like, I don't, I mean, you just have so much more respect for like the pros.

And I'm just like, bro, you are so far behind the wheel in terms of like the fucking, what the pros or where they started and all this like dude stop even thinking that you were gonna come out here and hit a shot like a pro like you gotta you're swing you're such a fucking enormous human being either way i'm getting off track yeah the biggest thing is you get out there you just hack you just fucking you figure out you know things and watch some

get on the instagram just start scrolling reels type in golf at the time start scrolling reels hear how people talk about golf if you really want to get good at it just uh engulf yourself in the knowledge that engulf yourself.

Yeah, there you go.

That's great.

All right.

Engulf yourself, engulf everything.

Yeah, I think this is all good advice.

I think the biggest thing is practice, right?

Like, now, if you take...

That's the last thing you do.

Yeah, anything you want to get better at, you just practice at.

But not just practice.

You put practice in with a purpose, right?

Ooh, the PNP.

Take this from me.

Listen, I am the third to last place finisher at the American Century Classic last year.

So take my advice.

Take my advice.

No, seriously, practice mostly with the clubs you're going to use the most.

So what club are you going to use the most on a golf course?

Driver.

Putter.

Putter more.

If you don't three-putt, you'll beat most people.

If you can two-putt every hole, you're going to beat most people you play with.

Next club, driver, right?

Then your wedges, okay?

Get really good at those three things, and you're going to be a decent golfer.

You're going to shoot a pretty good score.

So go to a chipping green, get really good at chipping, up and downs, and then always two-putting.

Dude, you're going to be golden, Bubba.

You're going to be sitting pretty.

I can't wait.

I haven't played golf with you forever.

I can't wait.

I feel like we should do one more.

We have a notem question on the New Heights Reddit page.

Hey,

from Tanya Dixon 2.

What do you guys think about the change and the way the downs are going to be measured?

Do you prefer the chain gang or the cameras measuring them?

I really don't even understand this, to be honest with you.

When they say the cameras are measuring them, how are the cameras measuring them?

What are we talking about here?

Basically,

the chain gang is like a secondary measurement for first downs.

Yeah,

that's what they did last year, right?

No, no, no.

They incorporated a chip in the football last year during the the preseason and they that's what it was it was preseason but this isn't a chip in the football this is they're solely going to try and use camera technology to determine first downs but i don't really understand how that's different than when like because obviously everybody's lumping to the conclusion against the bills game right against you guys where it looked like josh allen was ahead of the first down market

I'm just all I'm saying is I don't think it looked like it.

I think you could only assume that where the ball was in his arm, that it may have gotten, but you couldn't tell exactly.

Well, I think there's a lot of people that think you could tell.

And I think there's a lot of people that think you couldn't tell.

All I'm saying is, I think this rule is here by and large because of that play.

But I don't know how this is different.

Like, they still looked at that play on replay

and

saw where the ball went.

So I'm just confused.

I guess I don't really understand how they're measuring the first downs with the cameras and how when they replay them upon challenges.

I don't, I don't know.

I think this is just a big Sony endorsement.

I think it's just

everybody's going to be talking about Sony Hawkeye virtual measurement system.

And this is just like a big like plug for Sony.

God damn.

You're right, aren't you?

Why else would they fucking give it a Sony Hawkeye?

It's not a conspiracy.

You're a thousand percent right.

I mean, it's not even a joke.

This is how conspiracies work, ladies.

No, it's not a conspiracy because there's no fucking chance it would be called the Sony Hawkeye virtual measuring system.

Like, it just,

the only reason that that is a thing is because Sony paid out the ass to have this as a fucking thing in the NFL.

How did I not see this coming?

It's no, it's so true because they would have never put Sony in front of it.

They don't say like, hey, all these cameras are brought to you by LG camera like system that fit.

No, this is 100%

a fucking.

I got them going.

I can't believe this.

I mean, I love the chain gang.

I don't know why.

I like that it's there.

This super like...

way outdated version of measuring first downs.

I'm against the Sony Hawkeye virtual measuring system simply because it's called the Sony Hawkeye measuring system.

Like, don't fucking sell me Sony in your fucking measuring system.

Just fucking say, hey, we got a virtual measuring system now.

Oh, cool.

I don't need it to be called the Sony Hawkeye measuring system.

You're going to be selling fucking t-shirts?

What the fuck are we naming it the Sony Hawkeye Measuring System for?

It's the Sony Hawkeye virtual measuring system, Jason.

They probably created the technology.

I digress.

NFL, sorry if I blew your cover, but also sorry to the chain gang guys, man.

We'll miss you.

Well, they're still gonna be there.

This is only the chain gang is there as like a secondary option.

I do want to know what this technology is because I'm still confused.

Like, what does the Hawkeye measuring system, virtual measuring system do exactly?

Probably see through people.

It's virtual, so it's like

we can like turn people into video games.

It's ax perplexity.

The system uses multiple high-performance cameras up to 10 positions strategically around the playing arena.

These cameras capture the ball's movement in three different angles, from different angles.

Triangulation.

It's a good word to use if you want to sell some shit to somebody.

Sounds like something that they use in like every 90s or 80s movie, like action movie.

We triangulated as coordinates to over

triangulation.

The captured video feeds are processed using triangulation principles.

The fuck just that it's fucking gibberish.

They're killing it right now.

To create a 3D representation of the ball's trajectory, data analysis.

The system tracks the ball's position frame by frame, calculates its path, and predicts its future trajectory based on predefined models of the play area and game rules.

Predefined models of the playing area and game rules.

Hawkeye generates graphical representations of the ball's movement, which can be displayed in real time for referees.

and players.

So I just, I don't know what Hawkeye is doing that you can't just see by looking at the camera.

It's turning it virtual, Jason.

It's turning it into a video game so that they can determine where the ball actually is.

AKA, they can see through people's bodies.

Go up, go up to tennis, go up to tennis, go to go up to tennis.

So in tennis, they can see when the ball hits the line and whether it's in or out.

So obviously, we've all seen that technology used, and it works phenomenally.

It's a great technology for tennis.

They clap whenever it does it.

But the

Hawkeye isn't determining where the line is.

Like the line to gain is established on the field in the moment.

So, they're going to get the line to gain from the very first set of downs.

I think that's why they still need the chain game.

They need the chains to be able to be on the sideline.

And that gives him, that gives them like the line.

I just, I'm,

it makes too much sense that this is just a Sony plug.

The more I read this, the more I'm just like,

this is so good.

This is honestly what I think has happened.

Okay.

This is just an out for referees having to make this decision.

All this means is they now have a camera that is going to tell you if the ball reached the first down mark, the line or not.

Okay.

And that way, if the camera...

and the technology is wrong, nobody can fucking, like, you're not going to dispute it.

Nobody ever disputes the fucking Hawkeye thing in in tennis.

They're just like, Yep, that was in, or nope, that was out.

Hawkeye said it.

And that's all we're getting with this.

I don't know if this thing's going to be accurate or not, but how the fuck do you refute it?

You can, you can call it like anybody can go up there and watch a replay and be like, oh, that guy isn't looking at the right thing.

I'm looking at the same thing.

And that guy's full of shit.

This looks like a first down.

But now you're going to be looking at it, and the Hawkeye is going to tell you it's not a first down.

Well, guess they triangulated it, and Hawkeye found

Sony wouldn't lie to us.

No, they would never.

Oh, man.

They triangulated it.

That fucking got me.

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Now let's get to a little March Madness challenge updates.

Man, oh man, what a final four in the men's bracket.

And what a very

interesting women's bracket it ended up being.

Now that it's over and Yukon

ran away with it.

Yeah,

wasn't even close.

Yeah,

I know South Carolina had an unbelievable season.

It's not fun losing the championship game like that.

I can share a couple

similar feelings with them on that.

But the women's bracket, congrats to our winner, Matt Oliver, who will be a tiebreaker by five points.

That's right.

Done, Matt.

Shout out to Matt.

Yeah, men's bracket.

We're still recording this before the final.

So it's going to be one of two winners.

If Florida wins, congrats to Robert Unger.

And if Houston wins, congrats to Dakota Black.

How about it, huh?

Dakota Black sounds like

a character in a movie.

It does sound like a.

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