Jason Sudeikis on Future of Ted Lasso, Scoring on LeBron, Behind the Scenes at SNL50 & More | Ep 129

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Ted Lasso as a coach is like the perfect temperament.

I just think it's so ironic that

now that you are a coach of your

daughter's team, you went back to the Coach Campbell

style of coaching of intimidation.

Just yelling at her.

Get your skin on the line, ladies.

Just because you're eight years old doesn't

mean you gotta act like it.

For God's sakes.

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This guest conversation was just too good.

Get ready for Mr. Jason Sudeikis.
Oh, baby. oh man i'm fired up about this dude the best we're gonna get into it right now gear up how long do we chat for the way i mean how much time do you have whatever i only ask that because it's like i can give short answers and long answers i don't know what you know what agenda you guys have whatever works this is not Yeah, I think you put some point.
This is not professional, as you know, Jason. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We're just out here. All my podcasts, viewing and listening, are from clips.
So it's like you guys and Sue and Megan and all the smoke. It's like, you know.
So I know that it's 30 seconds at a time. No.
Yeah, yeah. No, they'll cut it up to make it 30 seconds.
No matter how long-winded it is, they'll make it a clip. Yeah, exactly.
Good. I respond well to editing.
Same-sies. Yeah.
Well, that being said, Jason, you want to jump on the intro? All right. We're going to jump right into it? We got our own Bruce Buffer right here.
Yeah, let's prove it. All right.
Our guest today from Overland Park, Kansas. He's a four-time Emmy Award winning actor, a fifth grade CYO championship winning basketball player.
You might know him from his nine seasons on SNL or starring in the Emmy Award winning show Ted Lasso. Not right now.
Please welcome Mr. Jason Sudeikis.
Yeah, baby. Holy smokes.
It's nice to hear that all stated one after another. It's like I forget.
Yeah, right? Yeah, you're just driving out the windshield. I don't look in the rear of your mirror often enough.
And we're only getting the highlights. That's it.
Yeah, exactly. They even mentioned my children.
Speaking of which, how are your children? They're good. They're good.
Otis Daisy. Shout out, guys.
They're doing great. Yeah.
They're doing well. Otis has got his birthday, his 11th birthday, coming up here on April 20th.
And so, yeah, now, you know, he's well into the double digits now. Love it.
Love it, man. Little man.
You already know. I'll get him a keg.
Yeah, exactly. He's ready.
He's ready. The bubbles.
That's how we do that. He likes the ceremony of it.
Yeah, you know, that and the pumping and the keg stand, just the taste. He probably wouldn't respond to it.
Do you remember your first beer? Yeah, it was a lot later in life than most. Okay.
Yeah, I was one of those athletes that took strongly to the D.A.R.E. program.
Me and you both. Me and you both.
I am the odd one out of this situation. You're the cool one.
No, I was not. I remember Jason stumbling into the bedroom at five, not at five, but on a Friday night yeah just hear it boom boom boom and like breaking doors off hinges yeah yeah you're like i'll wait for that yeah get to that eventually that doesn't seem as cool as it's made out to be but i do remember mine was i do remember it was uh second semester freshman year of college community college i was on the basketball team and and we got you know as an athlete you know you guys know you got that well maybe not for for football but like for basketball you would get there early before school started you know second semester so we're doing practice and everything like that right and i did three miller lights and then half a root beer bottle of root beer schnapps oh wow and i was i was ripped yeah and and and and my my my good friends chris signs and brandon bartels they were roommates and they they they were the ones that paved that that let me use their phone i remember calling information in la asking for jim carrey's phone number like we were just like uh carrie jim oh maybe it's under james you know like it's been sure i was the biggest movie in the world at that point.
We would watch it every other week. And, yeah, so it was bad.
And then the next day we had practice, and I remember puking what looked like eggs, but I didn't eat eggs. Yeah.
It was like, yeah, it was bad news. It was bad news.
And then I stayed away for like a year or two. And then it wasn't until living in Las Vegas when I was doing Second City, like in my mid-20s, that then we would go to this bar called the crown and anchor which is since closed uh recently and uh so we named the bar in ted lasso after and it uh it was one of those places yeah we'd play a lot of darts and drink pints and eat chip buddies which is basically like french fries on hamburger buns oh it's a british thing really yeah or a vegas british thing I don't know.
It's one or the other. Chip buddies.
Don't ask too many questions. Yeah, I know.
Where should we start? You tell me. Is your show, like, I mean, golly.
Did you ever pitch Ted Lasso at SML? No. Mm-mm.
No? No. So can you kind of give us the backstory? Because I think I know a little something.
I got a good friend in KC who married a girl that I think her father was maybe a gym teacher.

Oh, I had a basketball coach.

Was it the basketball coach?

Donnie Campbell, yeah.

Donnie Campbell.

Well, I mean, the coach character itself was styled after Mike Ditka.

You know, we did these commercials.

Okay, here.

It was in 2013.

It was the summer of NBC Sports had the

premier league that they're going to be showing on, on, on, on NBC.

So they're like, okay, we want to do an ad campaign.

And they had this, this, this, uh, advertising company called Brooklyn brothers, which was

actually two British guys.

Uh, and, and they had like five different ideas for, for different promos.

And one of them was an American football coach coaching soccer.

They were modeling it after a coach character that i had played on snl which was

much more of a yelling type you know like he was a football coach he had a mustache but he was a

yelling screamer you know like a bobby knight type type uh you know thing like probably you know

went to west point kind of on chair yeah exactly 100 like that intimidation intimidation versus

motivation right and it's my kind of coach and so then i then i was like oh i like it'd be more fun to play like a little bit you know softer version of it and so that's where the voice sort of came out which was just a way that i you know would talk when you're just sort of doing stuff with your friends and joking around uh and playing a certain type uh voice type coach and it sounded a little bit like bill self sounded a little bit like roy williams sounded a little bit but it was just a voice that I just, you know, it wasn't specifically after them. The coach, my high school coach, a fellow named Donnie Campbell, was definitely a guy who, he was definitely the guy that introduced me to John Wooden, who was like the patron saint of sort of the ethos for, you know, the Ted Lasso character where he ended up being on the show.
But also was really, really uh always had those fun kind of country country fried phrases you know and the one that the one that i always remember that i always bring up is like you know so that because you look more nervous than a you know a long-tailed cat a room full of rocking chairs you know and he's from like lions kansas but you know he was like a badass football player you know he played at k-state was a quarterback got drafted after warren moon you know in the by the oilers so he never saw a announcer playing but like a big dude and when he would but he

definitely

you was a quarterback got drafted after Warren Moon, you know, by the Oilers. So he never saw an ounce of playing time.
But like a big dude. And when he would, but he definitely, you know, and I think he'd own up on this and I deserved that time.
But he was definitely more of a screamer. Like I got the brunt of Coach Campbell and rightfully so, you know, and yeah, he would holler at me quite a lot because I was a flashy, fancy kind of passer.
That was more my vibe. And he was more of a Normandale.
You got five crisp passes before we shoot. What's all that fancy shit over there? Snakes, what are you doing? Like all that.
Then when we did the commercial in 2013, he was a little bit more of a knucklehead. And then it did well.
People liked the commercial people like the commercial comedy people liked it soccer people like football people liked it uh a favorite quote that brennan and i heard like a couple years after that was like a british guy come up to oh i love those commercials you got everything wrong perfectly which is like oh that's such a lovely way to say it and we were flattered yeah so then we wanted to do another one in 2014 and so we we came to nbc sports and like like, sure, but we don't have the budget to fly over to London. It's like, okay, great.
So then it became, okay, well, this is kind of funny because the story is he got hired and fired in three days by the Tottenham Hotspurs in the commercial, in the first commercial. So the second one was like, instead of him being mad about it, he fell in love with London.
He fell in love with soccer and know soccer slash football and now he's just dedicated his life and he you know he bought a mini cooper and he's waking up you know butt crack at dawn to watch premier league over here in the states and and all that kind of stuff but it unlocked this sort of like childlike enthusiasm for him uh he started coaching a little girl soccer team and whatnot and and so then that was 2014 then 2015 brennan joe and I hung out, you know, we're talking about like, what else can we do? Do we do another commercial? Is there more there? Is there like a movie? And we just sat down and just started writing in one week's time, like in three days, like, like six different ideas for episodes. We, you know, wrote a pilot script and then it just sat there for like two, three years.
You know, uh, my ex and I, Olivia, We a couple of kids. Joe, who's one of the co-creators of the show, co-created a show called Detroiters with Tim Robinson and Sam Richardson and their friends at Cannes.
And then Brendan was, you know, writing plays and acting and all sorts of stuff. And then Bill Lawrence, who had created like Cougar Town and Scrubs and whatnot, had an idea for a show that he thought maybe I could, you know, would be interested in.
That one didn't quite work out, but we hit it off. And he's like, well, if you have any other ideas, you know, let me know.
And I was like, well, we got this. We had like this stack of papers.
I was like, check this out. Is this anything? But again, towards what I was saying earlier, no part of it.
You're going to want to check this. It was like, is this anything? Like, literally, I don't know.
You uh and and i always put that that phrase that i always heard about i was typing last night we want to check out this did you think that it was something no i mean i knew it was fun no not i mean i knew it was something that we we had fun doing i knew it was something i was excited about but it wasn't like assume more times than not when it's that it's something Yes, right? Yeah, but not to the point not to the level of what it is. Yeah, just you know, no way Jose There's no way to know that But it but it was at least I wasn't embarrassed You know, I was giving it to a guy who who could you know, it was like a stalled car I was like do you have gas for this tank and he certainly did and he read it on the flight back He's like, oh, there's definitely something there.
He was 100% into it it. And so then we, then, then it was like this long, the long process of, of, you know, making it of like, you know, trying to pitch it to networks and streaming sites, trying to, you know, write a pilot, uh, then, then, you know, then, then writing it, then shooting it, then editing it.
And then you then, you know, released it to the masses. Yeah.
What August, 2020. And then it just took off in a way that never in a million years would would any of us thought i mean i don't know i have a decent imagination i couldn't have imagined that at all as ted lasso fans man thank you because that shit is gold i appreciate have you had professional athletes or just athletes in general come up and talk to you about how much they appreciate watching the show yeah and like i i really do think like ted lasso as a coach yeah is like perfect temperament as a coach.
Yeah. Yeah.
I've always felt like, and I just nailed it. And I don't know.
I've always been curious, like what that you talk about your gym teacher, your basketball coach, like how did you get to that tone with him? I think it was having taken the best parts of all the different mentors and teachers and coaches that had my life. People like Tina, people like Lauren Michaels, people like Coach Campbell, people, people that I didn't have, you know, like like John Wooden, you know, people.
It is that wish fulfillment, you know, the person that you'd want to be at the like. And it was also just fun because it's like a hyped up a guy that likes to say yes.
And to other people, deals these things. That's a great point, Joe.
You know, the first season when doing press people, how much is that? How much is that like you? It's like it's like I think it's the best version of myself. I don't always have access to that.
How many of us do? But it's like me after two beers on a friend's boat. It's like a bright, sunny day where you're just like, yeah, I'm loose.
I'm having fun. It's like the water's cold.
I don't care. Like, let's get in there.
Hey, let's all hop in there. Come on.
Let's see what happens. You know, like and you're just like, you want to you want to dance.
You want to DJ. You want you're just like you're feeling it, you know, and and yeah, you're just looking for the best in people.
But I think it was an amalgamation of probably if I were to sit down and really do the work, like probably like 20 different people in my life and probably four of them are imaginary, just something you'd want. But I've had we've had, you know, athletes, coaches love it.
Like, I mean, we've had we have owners of sports teams, you know, appreciate us showing like the human side of ownership to. Absolutely, yeah.
Rebecca. Like a shout out.
Yeah. And so it's, it's in all aspects and, and even just people like I get to go speak at these events or like these companies.
And it's a lot, you know, people that are in leadership and we all are, whether we have a job that does it or not, we're all in a position of leadership. And so people respond to those.
So many carryovers to everything. And it's interesting.
You up. Yes.
And from your improv time. No, as, cause it is very similar with what he does in the show.
But I just, you know, I think, especially when you've been through sports for so long and you've seen how like ego and things can be divisive. The fact, the way he forgives, the way he motivates, the way people keeps people.
I mean, the whole thing is just so well done. I don i don't even know what i'm asking to be honest with you i've just been a huge fan of the temperament of it from day one i just think it's so ironic that now that you are a coach of your daughter's team you went back to the coach campbell style of coaching of intimidation just yelling at her get your skin on the line ladies just because you're eight years old doesn't mean you gotta act like it.

For God's sakes. Get out of my gym.
Get the hell out of my gym, Daisy. That character's right there, too.
Everybody's got a little Coach Campbell. 100%.
100%. It's amazing that Coach Campbell,bell like the neat thing about the show is so many people connected to it have have got to go off and blossom into their own thing that coach campbell has like this great like speaking career as as like the inspiration of ted lasso which is which is which is wonderful he can tell he can tell the truth about me as as an actual athlete it's not it's that whole thing was.
Coach Campbell's there to stop that shit. He's like, nope, he was not that good.
A lot of turnovers. One to three assist to turnover ratio.
But those three. Never wanted to pass the ball.
Unless it was through his legs or behind his back. Jason Williams, light.
Oh, yeah, it will, baby. No, I appreciate it.
It's neat having people from, especially from the soccer world, because any of these are gatekeeper communities and the way that the football community embraced us, because they didn't know. They thought we were going to be, you know.
Mocking in or something like that. Why wouldn't we? Americans coming over there, and yet, you know, impossible to do when you have someone like Brendan Hunt, who's like the football solo that he loves that sport.
He comes about his love for it. Honestly, he was, you know, a Chicago boy who, you know, made fun of the scores and, you know, like 90 minutes of nothing and then was working in Amsterdam and fell in love with the sport and loves it to his to his core.
And that permeates throughout the show. And we try to honor that versus being parasitic towards it because it's the only way I think that the character would want to be.
It sort of permeates from that ethos, which is really, really, really special and really neat. Awesome, awesome.
Well, is there season four? Is it in the works? I don't know what I'm allowed to ask on this. You can tell us we're right we're right in season four now yeah that's that's the official word yeah ted's coaching yeah they're a women's team so there that's happening yeah that's what there you go back is he coming back to the states or do i ask him too many questions back in the states yeah too many questions but yeah we'll we'll leave it at that'll leave it at that.
And it's only because I don't know. I don't know.
I don't know. Only 10 minutes.
I don't have answers. We're just writing it now.
There's a paper. There is a paper with ink on it.
We won't ask too many more questions. No, but that's what we've been up to.
I'm very excited to hear that. It felt like there needed to be more, to be honest with you.
That's nice. And it's, I know there's that, whenever you're writing something, I'm sure there's always like, at what point are we done with this and what point do we keep going how they i speak for ted lasso fans everywhere that we really did not want you to stop so please keep doing that that was that you know we had those you know a couple years there where you know we had the the writers and and actors strike and that and that made the time the the time off that we all earned uh feel a little less special because everybody was off and it's heartbreaking because you know that that takes that that makes things uh tougher for not just the actors and writers obviously but everybody else involved in in in making these things and people behind the scenes and then put up the lights and make the costumes and all that all that stuff came to a grinding halt and then just through that um you know post that i should say yeah just the universe kept just like saying things whether you know kind folks at airports or or on the internet or sure friends of my folks or or just you know other people in the industry uh other people and wherever in any walk of life and it was just like okay okay i hear you i hear you i hear you we hear We hear you.
We're listening. And then, yeah, just more stories kept unfolding and just popping up in our heads.
And so, yeah, that's where we're just exploring all that now. And yeah, it's exciting.
I mean, it's daunting, you know, because we told the story we wanted to tell. But there's, yeah, there's more there.
And it is a neat group of people to work with. It a wonderful group of people um and characters to write around and for and there's so many likable characters yeah everybody plays their parts so far no it's such a great group roy i felt like roy can you are my career it's like literally you're starting to kind of lean into roy a little bit i mean because that is that that character is i inspired by a bunch of things, but it's the way I felt like like leaving SNL.
Like I'd done sketch comedy for for so many years. It's the way I felt about, you know, guys that were athletes or when I stopped being an athlete.
And again, I had that lovely crossfade from I had a new passion. But when you don't when you've been this thing, this guy for this long and now you aren't, it's like, what, then what am I? What, and that question is so, is, is one that isn't, you know, and, and you got to play pro think about all the, I mean, I think about all the young men that I played AAU basketball with that were the best in the country, you know, and, and then they're not.
And it's like, and, and there's nothing set up on the other side to deal with that drop off. You know, that when I look at these young men, yeah, you know, like it's, it's, it's scary.
And you think about all the people that may have, you know, used them on the way up and they're not there to help as much as you would hope. And so no question.
Yeah. So, you know, someone like someone like Brett and I used to say that I, there's a version of Roy Kent that may have, you know, gone the way of the dark side had Ted Lasso not coming in his life.

You know what I mean?

Absolutely.

I'm getting goosebumps right now.

It is. It's the truth.

It is.

And it's real.

That shit's real.

So I appreciate you feeling that way about it.

That's the way I feel.

That's the way I felt about him, too.

And I certainly know it's the way that Brett embodied him and connected to him on the writing side and threw him his hat in the ring to audition for. You're just like, yeah, that's it, dude.
You got it. Iconic.
Like, holy smokes. So neat.
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Okay, yeah. Yeah.
How did you, how did you end up going into Second City? Did you always know after like your hoop dreams and everything? Was it, it was really kind of nuts. I went, I went from, there's a thing in Kansas City called comedy sports.
Have you heard of that at all? It's yeah, it's, it's still around and it's basically like short form improv, kind of like that TV show, whose Is It Anyway? So that's something you would go to after homecoming. You'd go to the dance, and then, again, not drinking.
We'd go see comedy sports because it was a family show, and there was no swearing or anything like that. So I did that in KC for a while.
Started, like, took classes, like, junior year of high school, then senior year. And then I was playing basketball, like I said, down at this Fort Scott community college.
I was driving home every weekend to go watch shows or do shows. And, and, and my, so my crossfade between from sports to comedy was comedy sports, which is pretty great.
Yeah. You know? And so it was, it was that, and all this, all the silliness that you do as a kid that gets you in trouble in class, that gets you, have you run in suicides in practice.
We're now being applauded and lauded, you know, this is, this is, this is, this is good. This is good.
And it was improv. So there was no homework.
You didn't have to memorize it. It's the best art form for, for talented, lazy people, which I still aim to be both talented, lazy.
I got down. And so it was like okay well what where do you go from here and it was like well you moved to chicago and so me and a couple buddies from from uh comedy sports we we moved to chicago and we did that for three years like basically from 97 to the second three-peat for the for the bulls 97 98 to live in chicago it's incredible it was incredible you know uh and you're around that you're you're again you know uh just eating like hell and and you know taking five dollars finding the atm that allows you to take five dollars out uh which was right down the street from wrigleyville or really field so i could go to taco bell around the corner because that's all you could afford and and you just figure those little those little life those little life hacks out.
And then while there I auditioned for a couple of things, one of which was a theater company, an improv show theater show in Amsterdam called Boom Chicago. So then I ended up going over there for a few months.
And while there, this is in 2000, second city is like, Hey, we're going to open up a second city in Las Vegas. Would you want to do that? I was like, sure.
I was like, great. How long people are doing three month contracts, six month contracts.
I was like, I'll do a six month contract. You know, I'll be able to come home.
I won't have to work a temp job or something like that. Man, I can only imagine signing up for a gig for six months in Vegas.
It wasn't like, didn't do a lot of extracurriculars that can make your time in Vegas much more dangerous, you know, or short or short lived. And so, yeah, lived lived there did that end up staying two years nine months and it was it was a graduate school like we did so many shows all that like Malcolm Gladwell theory of 10,000 hours that's where it was and you had to like earn it from the audience audiences you you know they're they're used to seeing like headliners like you know got Siegfried and Arroyo or Celine Dion like you know huge huge stars and here we are trying to do like sketch and improv with and and right outside the window like it would be only these drapes you know type of things would would be keeping the sound of people screaming it for either winning or losing or just the sound of slot machines and like and we were doing shows early on you know for like seven people it was horrible and it was hard it wasn't horrible it was just hard because it's still like what we all love doing for a living and we yeah we did you catch yourself ever trying to like market it while you were there we tried yeah i mean they you know second city eventually you know started doing that and we started doing all these really interesting grassroots kind of marketing where we just invited all the cab drivers and so and they could come for free so that when they would pick people up at mccarran they'd be like you know what show you should go see that we went to go see you know because the strip clubs had it down where it's like they get a little kickback when they were we didn't have no we didn't have that that access or or any of the similar show elements uh and so yeah so so we literally reached out to them like that and then yeah at some point snl asked know, I got asked if I want to audition for SNL and sent in a tape and

then moved away to New York

from Vegas. You brought up

the 10,000 hours of

essentially practicing over and over again.

How do you

practice improv? That's one thing that's never

made. Like, when you practice music, you're

practicing the exact same thing that you're going to play in the show.

Improv, you don't know what you're about

to do. So how do you prepare and practice to get

better at that? Well, I mean, there's some things like with

sports, you know, you work on your ball handling, you work on

and I'll see rules are there just to give you like, like, you know, some guidelines. Yeah, exactly.
But it's not obviously not. So it's not complete chaos.
No, no, no, not. Yeah, exactly.
But and then at the end of the day, it's just like getting better at being yourself, getting better at listening. Yeah.
You know, and to not get in the way of yourself or try to do too much. It's like a little bit like just a little bit of stage savvy, a little bit like, you know, like court presence, you know, like where you just, where you can just, you feel at ease regardless of, of the chaos that you're about to, and, and the unknowingness that you're about to, you know, for sure dive into.
So the, the entire time in Vegas, like doing Second City, though, you were going to the sports books on Sundays, betting on the Chiefs, is what you mean.

And you were just making sure, like, you didn't dabble a lot in the chain, the slots and the

tables and all that.

So much easier now.

The kids now with their apps, they just have to go on the app.

We had to go to a sports book and deal with old grizzled men with cigarettes with ashes

as long as, like, you know, their fingers.

No, it was different. It's different.
Different than we earned earned it it was a dark thing back then i barely gambled now we put in now we now it's okay yeah come on let pete rose be that's right that's right i i'm with you i was like stashed all i barely i think i gambled 500 in the three years i was there and it was only on blackjack maybe maybe i maybe i put some money on the the jayhawks you know for some final fours or something like that. And it was only on Blackjack.
Maybe I put some money on the Jayhawks,

you know, for some Final Four or something like that.

Maybe at the beginning of the season,

just because someone else did it.

And I was like, oh, I'll do that.

That sounds fun.

But yeah, for the most part,

at one time, my roommate, Mike,

had a buddy come stay with us and come to find out what I know now

because people know this world.

He was on a card counting team.

And so, yeah, it was like one of those guys

that those movies are about.

And he was practicing basic strategy

is what I know now, because people know this world, he was on a card counting team. And so, yeah, it was like one of those guys like that.
Those movies are about and he was practicing basic strategy and he sort of explained to me all what was going on. And I just found it fascinating.
And he had like a computer program that, you know, so you could just run through all stuff you can do on your apps. Now, when you want to train basic strategy.
Yeah. I remember we, we weren't allowed to drop him off at the safe house.
We had to drop him off at a corner. It was like a Durango and Twain.
I remember it because it always sounded like a badass 80s cops movie, like Durango and Cash, like Durango and Twain. And then he had to walk to this place where when he explained it to us, it sounded like Fight Club.
It was like a bunch of bunk beds and then a bunch of dudes just practicing all day grinding because they're just trying to get a little like 1% over the house. For sure.
To make these giant bets. And it was like, but I was like, you know, Vegas had like that kind of shit going on where, and we're just trying to like, you know, do improv.
It's the most transient place I've ever lived. People would come in.
You'd see them at the pool. They'd have some idea for a new slot machine handle.
And then like they moved in and then two weeks later they're gone you never see them again it was very it was it was it was it was fascinating and you know yeah people we lived in corporate housing right off of flamingo and coval coval and flamingo and coval right which i found out a year into living there it's right where tupac was allegedly shot oh wow, wow. Oh, wow.
But yeah. It got a little intense.
It got intense. Every time you walked past it.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, it's all cleaned up now. But we used to have, we all bought Razor scooters.
You remember the little ones? Oh, hell yeah. On the backside of Flamingo, the hotel? Hold on.
We're talking about Razor scooters right now. Sorry about that.
But there was a street. I forget what it was.
It wasn't Flamingo it was one was that west of it or east of it and we would ride our our little we'd unfold our thing because these are all like it was filled with degenerate gamblers and addicts and it was heavy duty and we'd sneak in the back way of the to the flamingo walk you know fold it up walk in through the the um swimming pool area and then then sneak right. That's awesome.
The Flamingo. Was there ever an end goal in mind? No.
No. No.
You were just enjoying doing what you were doing. Yeah.
I mean, no. I mean, the end goal at that point would have been 100% because we were being produced out of Chicago.
And Chicago is like the homeland for Second City. That's where it started back in 1959.
Would have been to do one of the resident stages there. So that would have been, I a resident stage but it was in las vegas but to do either the etc or the main stage so to go back and and you know to to do as good of a job as you can where you're doing your thing and then have them say hey we want you to come back and do a show in chicago would have been would have been the the end goal they used to go right in front i made it back yeah and you you used to go to the Second City shows in Chicago.
All the time, yeah. So did you ever see the legends pull up? Yeah, yeah.
I mean, when I first moved to Chicago in September of 97, Tina Fey was still on stage. Rachel Dratch was on stage.
Horatio Sands was in the ETC. I mean, I saw like, like, I mean, all those guys.
Tina was just, just getting, was just going to get hired to go write on SNL.

So cool. You know, but, but, but we used to go every Christmas.

We would go back to Chicago like Christmas for, for, you know, with, with my grandma

on the South side and like all my, my mom's side of the family, tons of, tons of cousins

and whatnot.

And then like a lot of Junes too, for like when kids started graduating from catholic school and whatnot uh and i would always ask to go to second city and we'd go up there so i saw i definitely saw colbert and corral back in the day and amy sedaris and you just have them faint memories because you didn't know who any you didn't know who you were watching at the time not yet no i remember seeing like uh second city touring company came through uh and they performed at i forget the name of the theater down. It's down in Crown Center.
But they came and performed. And I saw a guy that his name was John Farley.
And he was and he was doing a scene that his brother Chris had done. And John's incredible.
You know, that whole family is hilarious. And and I was just like, oh, my God, that's got to be Chris's brother.
You know, and because he was playing like a character that his brother created at Second City and he was doing the touring company. So that, yeah, it's, it's great.
I mean, I still love going back there. It's super fun.
It's, it's a great show. And like I said, family show.
Uh, but that's where I took classes, you know, just, just like over a summer, it was like six weeks. And, you know, one of my, my first improv teachers, a fellow named Corey Rittmaster, who's Kansas city dude.
And, uh, you know, we still, we talk, I talk to him more than family because we play Fortnite together.

Nice.

So we're still, yeah, we're still in touch.

Still in touch.

Absolutely.

Really in touch.

Like, I mean, you know, like, you know, taking on 98 other people on this island.

I mean, I don't, I don't want to get into it too specific, but, you know, playing as Billy Eilish.

So good.

Yeah.

Oh, sorry.

Well, you went from Vegas straight to SNL?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And you were at SNL for nine years.

Thank you. playing as billy eilish so good yeah oh sorry well you went from vegas straight to snl yeah yeah and you were at snl for nine years 10 10 yeah yeah i wrote for the first two years okay you know uh which was awesome uh and scary uh because uh you know i'd only at that point really kind of realized how to write for myself now i'm being asked to write for other people but i then got to learn the the show, learn, learn the staff, learn, learn the script format.
Like it felt like, you know, to speak to, you know, athletes, like it felt like being red shirted, you know, and, and, and yet it also felt it was scary, but it also felt a little bit like I didn't get the job that I was hoping to get, but, but I got a job that, that allowed for so much more, uh, than I ever would have realized. And I got to, I, I started out hot.
I got like, you know, a couple of sketches on right off the bat, you know, writing for people, writing with other people. And then I just went blank for for months.
But I really, really love the rewrite table. And that's when you're like sitting around talking with the other writers, other cat, excuse me, other cast members.
And you're just hyping up their material. So there's this whole theory in philosophy and improv called Yes And, where you're supporting the idea and then you're adding to it, and that's just a form of rewriting.
So all those 10,000 hours of doing this thing, your brain's just sort of clued into it. And then the other thing that's really neat, and it's one of the things I always speak about in relation to team sports, which is just a direct correlation for me to the ensemble arts, you know, is just those time of being with your friends, with your teammates in the locker room, on the bus and joking around and having different friends with different sensibilities and different sense of humors and be able to joke around with any of them.
Then you do it then they get paid for it at SNL is like doing it I was literally doing the same thing that I was doing with my friends, you know, back in high school, like after a win or a loss, you know, driving from, you know, Lawrence, Kansas, getting getting our ass kicked by them and then driving back to Overland Park. And that's that's 30 minutes of hell.
I would say that's 10 minutes of hell. And then the last 20 minutes.
It was just silliness. I would say easily the thing I miss most about playing football is being in the locker room

and being around the guys and that camaraderie for sure.

Yeah.

Definitely. It was fun.
Yeah, exactly. It was just silliness.
I would say easily the thing I miss most about playing football is being in the locker room and being around the guys and that camaraderie for sure. Yeah, yeah.
Definitely relate to that. And even to add on to that, growing up and how many sports we played, how many different playing hockey, playing baseball, the hockey guys are completely different than the football guys that are completely different than the basketball guys or even the lacrosse guys.
The wrestlers, that's the way you do. Well, do it.
They're nutcases. Once I saw Jason's pimple on his forehead pop on someone else's face wrestling in middle school, I was like, yeah, no, I'm good on wrestling.
It's the weight, the yo-yo weight stuff. I still remember getting pinned in like...
One time, Kurt. No, this was my seventh grade year.

So I was resting somebody older.

Oh, okay.

And just hit the guy had his armpit in my face.

Yeah, yeah.

And the pungency of this guy's armpit will forever be embedded in my skull.

I was just like, man, this is fucking gross.

I remember what school was.

Yeah, yeah.

You remember what school was?

He had not discovered deodorant yet.

Yeah.

What school was it?

Remember the school?

This was actually a teammate. I didn't want to say.
Okay. sparring.
Yep. Hey, we'll leave it at that.
No initials. Ended up being a great football player.
I would say the only other athletes that- It's a good teammate right there, boys. It's a good teammate.
When I was at Fort Scott, we shared our gym with the rodeo team. There was a really Fieldhouse was that's just shit.
You don't get up in Cleveland. Oh, you don't get a rodeo I mean it was nuts and these dudes were the skinniest like flattest butts dudes You've ever seen your life and they would they were so tough We'd be in there like with the trainer like how I jam my finger and they come in They just got the rib punctured by like a bull's horn and they're just like tape it up so I can get back in there and we're just like okay crazy some of these rodeo professionals the injury list of that is much bigger than NFL players those guys those men and women are so tough and so I'll tell you what man some of them started wearing hockey helmets I put on a hockey helmet before.
Yeah. That shit ain't stopping nothing.
No. Are you kidding me? It's going to hurt still.
No. You got to put on everything.
Yeah. No, the Bulls, the Bulls, that's just another target for them.
They want to... Back to the...
Did you enjoy... So, did you enjoy writing more or performing more? Or do you enjoy writing or performing more? Or are they...
They're both pretty fun. Two different sides of the same coin.
Yeah. I mean, they're pretty fun.
It's, it's, it's both are fun. I mean, a hundred percent objectively writing is, is more difficult.
Like it's just, it's just, it's exhausting. Like, you know, we're in the writing process now and it's just like, I know it's not farming.
I know it's not digging ditches. I know it's not teaching math to kids that don't want to be there.
I know that very well. And yet it is, it is, it's so hard because you're just in your head the whole time and you're just actively thinking and actively listening.
And it's just a lot. And, um, and yet when it flows, it's, it's really, really fun.
And, and, and there is something just fun about, uh, talking to yourself and then typing it out and, and having a feeling a little bit like you have control over the universe, which I, we have no control over. There is, there is a, there is a little bit of that wish fulfillment.
Um, but I love rewriting. I love, I love seeing something in someone and, and, and, and trying to like, you know, bring that out of them and encourage them to access it for themselves.
Like that's, that's, that's a fun thing to do, but but performing performing performing is great i mean it is it's it's it's hard in a different way but it's it's um you know it's mostly yeah writing writing something else there's nothing more daunting than a blank page yeah it's so scary i don't even know where you start yeah me neither I've done it for years. I don't think I'm good at it.
You guys are already two steps ahead of me. I can't even read or write.
I see a blank page. I'm like, that thing's probably going to stay blank.
It's like, I can read that. Yeah, no, I got that.
I can imagine everything, actually. Endless possibilities right there.
I started getting more stuff on the show when I was able to write it and act in it. That was one of those things.
So you feel more comfortable writing for yourself at that time? At that point, yeah, yeah. 100%.
Yeah. Because then you just know what spin you want to put on that.
I can imagine that's probably, yeah. That has to be kind of a lot of people's sweet spot, right? Yeah.
That can do both, at least had such a badass generation my snl generation i like i'm i'm so like what a blessing to to come in with with that group of men and women both be both behind the scenes in front of the camera like it was something else and so like our our cast could write their buns off like yeah i mean it was neat like and so everybody scary though, too, because you're kind of like, shit, you're all just jockeying for 30 minutes of airtime, you know, between, you know, when a host comes in and you got to, you know, you got to share with the song, you got to share with update, you got to share with commercials, obviously that's why it's there. And then you're just, and it's the funniest people.
I never thought about that. It's really just about 30 minutes.
If that, it may be 27. It may, but I mean, it's, it's, it's nuts when you really, really think about it and then on tuesday night when when they're all writing and they're laughing you know when i'm i my me and uh i was uh office mates with bill hater the first five years and then mike o'brien the second five years and our my office was right next to a fellow named james anderson who's one of the one of the best writers at snl in snl history and he wrote a lot with with uh kristinig.
And when I'd hear those two laugh, and then sometimes Paula Pell would be in that office too because James and Paula were dear old friends. I just knew you.
There was a banger. You were just like, yeah, you were just like, oh, no, what are they cooked up now? What's every little girl going to be dressing up for next Halloween? It's like just what iconic silhouette is she going to create and what voice are you going to put it to? And yeah, it's, it's just, it's something else.
Did you, did you have like that goat in the acting world that you like looked up to that you aspire to be or, or even somebody at SNL where you were like, oh shit, I'm, I'm finally in the same room as. Oh, for sure.
I mean, there were people like that. I mean, like Tina was such a, Tina was someone that I loved watching like her and she did, she, she did a lot of scenes with a fellow named Scott Adsit, who's one of my all time favorite performers.
They were like, like second city legends. And, and he ended up playing Pete Hornberger on 30 rock too.
And he's still like, when I watch him perform, he just knocks me out. I just think he's such a great actor.
He's funny as well, but he's just really good actor. And, and he was really great at pantomime, which, you know, you do a lot lot at second city because so you don't have all the props and all that stuff i'm gonna need you to tell me what pantomime is real quick like just miming just just just my yeah so yeah like you just you know brushing your teeth and all that but he could he could there's a scene that he does where he's running up a um a stairwell like like a stairwell like this and it's just it it looks like there's a stairwell there and it just looks like a magic trick you're like there's nothing incredible or being or chasing a car you know and he just would just it was just yeah he's just incredible and he would make it all look so believable but it was also very funny because he's making something out of nothing at the same time but him and tina would just do these really really clever really smart scenes and so that was like you know so to to be to have tina faye be like a hero then she becomes an icon then she becomes like a mentor then she becomes you know a friend and then he's like that like that's one of those weird journeys that still knocks me out but but anytime anybody came back like when when will ferrell came back to host or to work with Tom Hanks.
Like those are the people that I loved.

And, you know yeah it was like but growing up yeah it was all it was you know i was so lucky we just we just re-watched uh at work we just re-watched hoosiers you know because of oh yeah gene hackman passing and like that was someone that that greatest sports movie ever it's amazing so good holds up yeah still good old statement but I loved it. Yeah.
Yeah. What was that? It was a bold statement.
You say great sports. It's not that sports movie ever.
It's amazing. It's so good.
It still holds up. Yeah.
It's still good. Old statement, but I loved it.

Yeah.

Yeah. What was that?

It was a bold statement.

You say great sports movie.

It's not that bold a statement.

What are you going to put above Hoogers?

We were talking about Miracle last week.

That was a fucking.

Miracle's great.

But that happened.

Like who.

Well, I guess who.

No, but I mean it's fair enough.

I'm not going to.

Like I said, I'm not going to fight it.

Yeah, exactly.

This is a bold statement.

I'm trying to think of this better one.

There's like other comedy movies that I.

Yeah, Bull Durham. Bull Durham is great.
Bull Durham. Major League.
I love Waterboy. Major League.
Yep. it exactly yeah just bold statement yeah i'm trying to think of this better there's like other comedy movies that i like yeah major league i love water boy major league yep major league yeah yeah angels in the outfield yeah sandlot sandlot sandlot is so good so good still holds up uh but yeah getting to work with like when you when you meet you know those those, like to me, Tom Hanks, that's like, that's like, you know, shaking hands on the Statue of Liberty.
I had the pleasure of just, uh, he was, um, I always forget the Halloween character he does on SNL. Oh, David Pumpkins.
David Pumpkins. I don't know why I always, I never like associate him with the name David.
I don't know why I never do that. He was getting ready to do that skit three Halloweens ago when Jack Harlow was hosting it.
And I snuck up behind him, I was like, is that the man with one red shoe? And he was just like, what? Who the? Yeah. Of all my movies, that's what you're referencing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was like the first one I ever remembered.
It was like the opening, set of opening scene. We were on the bike.
And I'm scene. It's blowing my mind as a kid.
I remember exactly that. This is the most skilled human being I've ever seen in my life.
Love that dude. He always had little tricks like that in his movies.
He was always doing little fun things like that. Michael Keaton is another one that I've got to meet over the years.
Because for years I was kind of like, I love Bill Murray and I love Tom Hanks hanks like but they're so different it's like and then like michael keaton is like my favorite parts of of both those guys i mean all three men are like iconic in their own ways but like it's just been yeah that's one of those places where you just can't believe you're mean and then you know then you get to then then paul mccartney is there too every now and then there you go yeah well speaking of paul you were talking about will yeah uh snl 50 man yeah how awesome was that that happened what like two weeks ago was it two weeks ago yeah it took me literally a week to recover it looked like an entire award show like the the amount of people that showed up like i don't know if i know they kind of do it every like 10 years but 40 didn't look like that no i mean it was it was something else and it was cool for me the difference between 40 and 50 was we had just left. Like, our generation had just left after the 40th.
Like, Andy and Kristen had left in maybe 2012. And then me, Fred, and Bill left in 2013.
Seth left in 2014. So our generation had just really left.
So it kind of felt like we were the freshmen coming back to homecoming, like the college freshmen coming back to, you know, senior year homecoming. And now we're 10 years in, you know, I got a couple of kids, you know, like, you know, it's neat having something that you've made that people responded to like Ted Lasso.
So now you're just kind of baked in. And I think I think the generation after us, too, with like Vanessa Baron and Taryn Killam and Kate McKinnon, like that generation probably felt a little more baked in, too.
And were definitely they were on the show at the time of the 40th and so yeah it was just it was great it was like it was just neat and love i mean it's i enjoyed every second of watching that thing yeah same you got to be in the the skit uh the jail skit oh scared straight straight i the one i took a photo of the you know good nights when you're saying goodbye there at the end of will ferrell and and Ferrell and Eddie Murphy saying hi to each other. Those are my two favorites from the show.
And they're just saying hi to each other. This is at the 40th.
And then 10 years later to be in a sketch with them is nuts. No, it's great.
And my kids came to watch rehearsal on Saturday. They just came to watch the big New York musical that we did.
We're for 10 are doing and wig are doing the songs from Les Mis. And they're sitting there and then we're getting ready to leave, hop on the train, go back home.
And Jenna, stage manager, Jenna, if you remember, she's like, she's like, Paul McCartney. Paul, we're ready for soundcheck.
I was like, oh, Paul McCartney. We're going to stick here for a little bit.
for a little bit he needs to watch this sorry guys and i mean when they say don't meet your heroes they are not talking about paul mccartney that guy is a great person to meet he's just he loves being paul mccartney he is the coolest dude like in any generation in any room he is just the coolest guy he accepts the the responsibility. He is like, I've been given this gift.

I have been put into this Paul McCartney.

He is that soul in a Paul McCartney vessel.

And he's like, what do you need?

I mean, just having him and my sister

were talking about, let it be like the song.

And he's responding to her as if he's never told

the story before that no one's ever asked him before.

And he's so present.

Like it's amazing. And then everybody throughout the day or just every now and then when you see paul up on stage like at every point someone's looking on their phone looking how old is he it's like this guy's got this guy he's got more in the tank than i did at the point i was exhausted he's like 82 almost 83 and it's just yeah it's like oh that's so cool do you have a favorite sketch from your time at SNL? Ooh, I had another one of those questions.
Yeah. I would say during my time, my favorite, and I've answered this before because, but it's the truth is it was my favorite to, to do was what up with that? Because it was a big cast sketch.
It also was one that people started getting really excited about and we would normally do it after weekend update that became its slot. And.
And so they, you know, I mean, you know, do you win? Were I when you host? Yeah. So like how incredible, like what happens in the commercial breaks, like what that crew, what those men and women do in that amount of time with that amount of intensity and taking things down and putting them up.
So when they whip that giant ass weekend update desk and they bring it right down the center pipe there and they're taking down the thing, then they start putting together the what up with that set, the crowd would just start getting like, oh, shit, where we go? And all of us are in it. We all know our function.
We all know our role. Everybody gets like a little highlight, a little spot here and there.
We eventually started getting like insane like like um cameos you know whether it be robin williams or robert de niro or just someone or samuel l jackson like someone who's not going to say anything is only there to be in this yet you know and then wave good night and then come to the after party like it was that was just so fun that was like that was one of that out of the recurring ones i loved uh wig and i in our first few years together did these characters called the two a-holes which is really fun where it's like you know a guy like a guy you know chewing gum and his girlfriend kind of like you know like playing with her hair and chewing gum and they were just those were those were a blast to to do and write and and people it was definitely a type an archetype that people saw in the in the real world sure it still They're still out there. They're doing well.
Yeah. Then like a few of my personal favorites that like I was involved in, like Forte and I had a lot of fun things.
We did a sketch called Potato Chip that the very first time we did was with Taylor when she hosted. Nice.
But it didn't make it cut. A young Taylor too.
A young Taylor. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
and um but it didn't make it to air uh we

ended up doing it with blake lively she ended up getting it getting it over the hump for us and they played it so differently which is one of those neat things and it was like it's the silliest sketch in the world it's worth looking up it's called potato chip and then fortana would do these espn announcers like uh for women's sports where it was basically us like trying to sell um it was us you know doing, doing like, like lawn darts or, or billiards. But then we would also be trying to sell a, everything was sponsored by like mass and gill, you know, like I would do these like crazy rhymes.
Like when, you know, when, when you're over, when you're, what is it? Like you're, when you're uterine lining looks like the elevator from The Shining.

Maxi pads.

And it's just so ridiculous.

Oh, my gosh.

And it's like, but people loved it.

And I remember we got to do, they put together a couple of years while we were still at the show,

where it was like all the different sports sketches, you know, from like when Joe Montana or, you know, Peyton had hosted at that point or Michael Jordan or whatever. And we got to do the bumpers.
And so we filmed all these live in front of, like just 30 minutes before an actual live show. And we got to do these things and we did them as these characters.
And we had so many of those like crazy rhyming things that I can't remember any of them now, but they were all just, you know, more like standards and practices. The sensors were more and more nervous with each one.
And that, when you walk that tightrope on that show, that's such a fun thing to do. Absolutely.
Even though it drove Betsy Torres, our standards. Shout out to Betsy.
Was there ever a sketch that you just knew was going to crush it and it just never caught the air? I don't know. Like ever got the green light? It's good.
One of the nice things that you learn there is that nobody knows shit. Like you don't know.
You never know. You can have so much.
I mean, you sort of do. I remember when we were all in the studio and Lazy Sunday was playing Jack Blackhost.
Now, that was like a great a great episode for for the show and for the and for our generation and just for Earth and at large. I remember when that was playing, whereas the seeing it addressed being like, oh, this is going to crush.
But you but that's like a pre tape piece and iconic in a way that is that very few things are. But I would say no, because it's almost like you don't want to spook the muses either you don't you don't there that was always a fun thing that they would like those these little bit of superstitions that you were don't call home and say your sketch is making it don't text your friends because it'll end up getting cut don't say you're going to show up in that sketch because you'll part will get up and and that happened more often than not so at some point you're never like typing being like oh this is gonna kill.
This is the best, this is going to kill. This is the best.
Even if I ever did, I don't know if I'd ever even say it out loud or would it get from my brain to my mouth. Like something would stop inside.
My soul would go, don't you say that shit. Don't you dare.
Yeah, but nothing that comes up. I can think of maybe, yeah, no, nothing.
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I let the Ted Lasso characters live on through every day in practice as I scream football is life. I still say it.
I love it. And I already announced that I'm coming back.
But Chiefs fans, you have always been right there every single time towards the end of the season, in the locker rooms, on the field, having fun with us, man. When did your Chiefs-like fandom really build up? I mean, my line for years, because growing up in Kansas City, it was Royals Chiefs, some dalliances with the Kansas City Comets and the indoor soccer days growing up.
like my line for years awesome jerseys indeed my for years when people especially at snl when like the crew guys would you know like giants fans and jets fans were like you like the chiefs and when we weren't you know we weren't doing as well it was like i was like you love the chiefs i was like no but i love a lot of people that do and that was the sincere truth it's like my family i'd gone to prior to the last three four years but um like probably i think one actual chiefs game at arrowhead you know if for us we were a basketball team you know a basketball family so i would go to you know more going to ku or the big eight tournament big 12 tournament all that stuff but then with you know having kids you know obviously the success of the team you know getting to know you and and you and Patrick, you know, through Big Slick and the charity stuff we do back home. Like, then it becomes like this personal thing.
And then what's even more fun is when getting to play this fake coach and then you have real coaches and real organizations that give you this beautiful treatment. We get to bring my good friends to those people that do love the Chiefs, like my friend Terry and his kids who you've met, you know, my friend Billy and his children that you guys, you know, have been so kind to.
And the Hunts let me roll deep. Like where it's like, can I bring him plus 12? They're like, yeah.
I was like, oh, my God. Okay.
That's it. Perfect.
Exactly. Yeah.
And it's just been a joy to watch and it's just it's just you know so

now yeah now otis and daisy you know we're we're you know watching you know every week and watching you know we know we watched yeah sorry yeah that's all right it's a better story i laugh about it now but it hurts and so of course it's like because it matters to you i blame jason he had the voodoo doll next one the entire time.

I did. That did not work out well.

I got a voodoo doll

on Bourbon Street. Oh, no kidding.
Trying to like get Travis's hands warm in the middle of the game with the voodoo doll. It was not warm.
It backfired. Ice cold.
My hands were ice cold. It might have been a doo-doo.
Yeah. It was more doo-doo than voodoo.
It was a doo-doo doll. We'll be back better than ever.
We got this. We got it.
That's the story. I got you, brother.
You drop down one, then you come back, and then you come back for one shining moment. There we go.
You know, that's the story I'd write, you know? You can't just be winning all the time, Travis. That's what I mean.
That's not interesting at all. Yeah.
Nobody wants to watch five Super Bowls that you guys win. It fooled me, because I definitely thought it would be kind of fun.
It would be pretty amazing. It would be pretty cool.
I know there's no way to like, I only deal with this in the fake make believe world. And I'm sitting between guys who have actually done it.
And then one who just went through the hardest part of it. And it feels very surreal right now.
I don't know how to joke about it with you. I don't know.
I mean, it was so long ago. Like, I don't even, I really good at...
I'm really good at just, you know, cutting off my memory. Yeah.
Yeah. But are there other dudes that are holding on to it? Are people still in the cave? You hold on to it forever.
Yeah, I would imagine. I still remember the one I lost in like one play.
I could have made it. Yeah, well, you only fucking lost one, Jason.
lost to you, too, so shut the fuck up. I don't need your sob story right now.
See, this is what I'm talking about. Now we're reaching new heights.
But you carry, for some reason, the losses, especially that loss in that game, you always carry on with it. You move on, you know what I mean? But, yeah, just like anything.
I joke about everything. We lost season three to the bear, so we're kind of the same.
Yeah, that's some bullshit, too. Well, that's not.
Come on, let's not do that. I know you want to play nice, but that is bullshit.
You can't argue art. And what did you guys pay him? No, come on.
How much money? Oh, you think they paid? I didn't hurt that. I'm kidding.
God, can we cut that? You brought up Big Slick. I've never been to Big Slick, but I've heard a I've heard a lot.
I've seen a lot of that stuff. I do want to go.
Come on down. I would love to be a part of it.
Dude, it is the same blast. Yeah.
What is Thundergong? Thundergong, yeah. What the heck is that? Okay, so Big Slick is to help Children's Mercy Hospital.
Yeah. We do that.
That's a whole weekend. It's a blast.
Unbelievable. It's a blast.
Last year was three mil raised? I think so, yeah. It keeps going up by the mil at this point.
I know. It my mind.
It's like being one of those high school teams. It's, you know, they're 114 and 0.
It's like I get so nervous. And it's like the money is cool and all, but what you guys do actually going to the hospital the day before and actually like being around the patients and everything.
It's amazing. It's lovely.
Yeah, it really is. You guys get such good support through the entire entertainment.
Yeah, absolutely. And just the city turns out for it too it's one of those neat things that we yeah we started ages ago rob riggle had this idea saying hey what if we do this and then he hooked me and paul in paul rudd and then we added you know kochner a year later then we added eric stone street now heidi gardner all from kansas city all from the surrounding area like it's really really neat um and it's and and so yeah we have that that that's every like it's beginning usually in june i think this year maybe around may 31st but around the beginning of of uh june uh and then thundergong is a thing that me and my buddy billy uh brim will come started he runs this non-profit called steps of faith and we help um buy um like um amputees new arms and legs my line is we help people buy arms and legs so they don't cost an arm and a leg right uh but yeah i mean he like a lot of people i mean it's funny but it's funny you can't do it's clean you put it on a business card people are like i love it uh and i mean business and we do that in november and yeah we help raise we get people that have lost their arm or leg that are uninsured.
We get them back literally on their feet, you know, and, and working again and then provide, you know, help with the, with the mental side of that too. And we work with these amazing prosthesis and, uh, and, and yeah, and, and, and physical therapists and we can get, you can get a, we can get legs people for like 500 bucks.
So every time someone someone gives 500 bucks that gets someone back literally can walk back yeah walk again yeah and and you know billy you know what comes about it honestly because he lost his he's a drummer he lost his left leg got it amputated right above the knee back in 2005 i want to say when he was a tour a touring musician had no had no insurance and so then we put together uh a comedy like rock show like fundraiser raised him like raised like 50 grand back in kansas city it was after my first year second year at snl we did some improv games you know his bands a couple bands he was in played and we raised all this money auctioned some like cue cards that tina fey had signed and and and and various things and that got him a leg for for that much money and and he he felt so like moved by it he was like uh a couple years later he's like how do i do that for other people and then sure and then this fellow was like i have this foundation let billy take it over and then a couple years later he's like hey why don't we do this it's it's a charity concert it's basically you know we do some comedy too but yeah we we've had amazing guests um you know come through you know ben harper you know uh Winona Judd, Chance the Rapper, Brandi Carlisle sent in videos for us. Foo Fighters did a video for us a couple years ago for the one during COVID.
Yeah, it's amazing. And that's one night.
The Big Slick is like a whole weekend. So it's like these two things.
But yeah, and Kansas City shows up for all of them them it's it's it's when's that's right that's like november it's the first saturday of every november yeah yeah in the fall yeah try to keep yeah so we're not double dipping i don't sure yeah you don't want to get your you got your band geek over here what do you play saxophone okay well i did i haven't played saxophone i'm not messing around on guitar but you gotta come and we'll come to thundergong and do baker street oh dude i would you would kill it like whatever whatever or like yeah or like some doobie brothers that's the no billy and his wife ali have this band called summer breeze have you ever seen them in kc i don't think i have i should i should i'll make you aware of them but they they like they play all and they're the house band. So they do all these yacht rock hits in Kansas City.
But they can play everything. Like I remember first time Fred Armisen, who's a legit like great musician and all his life.
You know, he just at the SNL 50th played with Devo and the B-52s. And I'm just like, which was so neat so neat i'm sitting there like i feel like a proud papa

i asked him i go i go i can't believe you got to play with devo knowing that he loves devo he goes the first show i ever saw at radio city musical as a teenager was devo and i like and now you're up on stage he goes it's just we just geek out like that kind of stuff all the time um but uh we geek out over the uh b-52s yeah yeah the b-52s my mom had two cds in her car yeah yanni and a B-52 CD.

We heard Love Show. Yeah, the B-52s are welcome.
My mom had two CDs in her car. Yeah.
Yanni and a B-52 CD. I forgot all about Yanni, dude.
So goddamn much as a kid. To this day, if Love Shack comes on, we're going to be jamming to it.
It's so funny. And Yanni, Yanni, you can't.
Yanni, she just had Yanni to put us to sleep. She was just like, all right, you guys are talking way too much.
remember many of the songs I just remember the photo on the album the hair that's all I remember Yanni's a vibe yeah for sure I love this man dude I want it to end but we got one more little part in here even though we haven't been going off I'm sorry your battery's out this is not the battery I locked it and I don't know how to unlock it. So if somebody complicated, we are amateurs hanging like this.
Don't cut that out. Absolutely.
Oh my gosh. We got to ask.
Yeah. You don't have to answer.
Great. You can tell us to fuck off whatever you want.
Amazing. It's always sometimes a little rapid fire section here.
Yeah. Yeah, we already talked about you playing basketball.

Talked about SNL and hosts

and stuff. Who's

better in their respective fields?

Are you better as a basketball

player or is LeBron better as an

SNL host?

Wow. You both played.

You played in the All-Star game with him.

He played on SNL with you.

Yeah. Look, as an SNL host, he's a hell of a basketball player.
Yeah, bro. No, I love that dude.
I mean, we need you and LeBron one-on-one on the basketball court. And then we need you one-on-one on the SNL stage.
Improv stage. There's a sketch where, like we did, characters that Bill and I did

a couple times

where I play like a stagehand

who is just kind of

a dick to people.

We did it to Julia Louis-Dreyfus,

we did it with Paul Rudd,

and we did it with LeBron,

and I challenged him

to one-on-one in the sketch.

And in rehearsal,

in rehearsal,

I did go by him

and then went up

and he didn't know

I was going to do a reverse layup.

And I did score on him

on an eight-foot goal. And he was actually trying to like, yeah, he was.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, he was definitely.
Yeah, he can't turn that off. But and it was funny because Don Roy King, who was who was our director at the time, who I just saw at the 50th, came up and literally brought it up.
He up. He goes, if you ever need someone to like, you know, vouch for this.
Vouch for this. I did.
I know it happened. I was like, thank you.
So here it is. It kind of sucks to be the one telling the, you know, keeping this apocryphal story alive.
You know, I'd prefer it to be someone else, but so be it. Us two knuckleheads.
Exactly. We'll keep spreading, exactly.
Yeah, we'll keep spreading this. We'll spread it.
We'll spread it. No, but he was great.
We'll get to catch some legs. I mean, he went for it.
I can't believe he hadn't come back to do it again. He was so good, man.
He was so good. The solid gold dancer? Come on.
Come on now. It was great.
The purr. And Maverick, badass.
I remember Maverick sitting at the host dinner on Tuesday night. You know when you go out with Lauren and everything.
Maverick sat to Lauren and just was just grilling him the whole time. The whole time? And I was like, I remember sitting across from him.
I was a child. Yeah.
In like a baby seat. But he was asking about business.
I didn't say anything to any. Oh, okay.
It was like, you know, Michael Corleone talking to Don Corleone. It was like fantastic.
I was like, LeBron is, you know, I didn't know who he was at that point. I was like, LeBron's so lucky to have this dude.
This guy's got his buddies back like big time and asking Lauren these questions. Lauren was so fascinated by it.
It was great. It was just like watching, you know, an icon and an icon to be just kind of like, you know, just, yeah.
It was just a curious, smart dude. Yeah, those guys, good on them.
You know it. Just a bunch of Cleveland guys.
Yeah, that's all. Just what we do.
Making the way in the world today. Just what we do.
How much would your life have changed if you would have been a sector into the Blue Man Group? I had a hunch. I don't know.
Everything? Almost? Yeah. So, I mean, I was obsessed with that show.
And I loved it. It was the opportunity I felt.
Oh, this would be the only chance I'll ever get to play music in front of people. And I wasn't a good enough drummer.
I love the show. I think it's so funny.
I think it's so brilliant. And I think it's so subversive.
I mean, it's all these things. They just closed the show recently in New York, which is where I ended up.
I auditioned in Vegas and then got flown out there. This was August of 2001 2001 so this is right before uh 9 11 and and it was um and i had dudes buddies of mine that were in blue man group in vegas because they took a lot of our improv classes they so i guess we got to know our shows hung out a lot like both you know off stage and like you know at each other's houses you know i got and and it it was um it was an amazing amazing time because we were like this different kind of show we uh that was sort of finding its way in in in vegas um like the ones that interacted with the audience and not just you know show girls or or again icons uh or or magic it was like this this weird kind of thing i remember so many a handful of them when i was really it would sort of take me aside and be like, do you really want to do this?

Like,

like you're really good at talking.

Like it's kind of your thing.

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yeah,

no,

I don't care.

I want to do this.

I think it's so neat.

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I mean,

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I mean,

I wouldn't have my kids.

I wouldn't,

you know,

there's a whole bunch of stuff.

That'd be different.

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I'd be every time I blow my nose,

blue stuff would come out.

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Well, did you have to paint yourself for the audition? Mm-hmm. Not for the, for when you, when they clue us out.
There's gotta be a pick. I wish.
There's gotta be a pick. There's no way.
There isn't. You dressed up like that and didn't get a pick? I know.
But when you wear all the same color, like- This is pre-iPhone. It's pre-iPhone, yeah, right? We had a disposable camera because when you, they put you up in this dorm, it was on 13th Street, and it was all these like-minded, like, all of us were like six foot one white guys.
And majority of it, like if there was 10 of I would say nine of them were you know musicians first or eight of them were musicians first and and I was more of an actor with like like and I had been literally practicing on like a drum pad during intermissions at my second city shore in between shows driving my cast mates crazy I'm sure and And yet everybody had this like fun spirit and we're all in new york flying in from other places and we i remember we bought a disposable camera because we got bald and blue as they said you know they do a bald cap and the and the whole thing and the cobalt blue and and so somewhere i don't know what happened to that disposable camera because you got cut like after three days five days seven days i imagine it's like you know being in a combine or like in a It really was. Yeah.
And I got cut after three days and they were, they were like, if he, he could be a blue man, if he worked on his drumming. And then, then I go home kind of defeated.
And then, you know, a few weeks later, you know, nine 11. And then it was like, then that sort of like rattled us all.
I'm like, okay, what do you love? What do you, what do you really want to do? And it was stick with second city at that point. And so I never, never auditioned again, but, but there's, yeah, there's a camera out there, but I know when I saw myself in the mirror, I looked at myself and no bullshit.
I'm not even, this isn't even like humility. I was like, I look like a blue peanut M and M.
You couldn't like my feature, any features that I have on my face, just, just got washed out. And I just looked like, like all the dudes that I was friends with all look like male models.
And I was like, oh, I think maybe this, I thought that if I wore this, I'd look as cool as they do. It's like, no, Jace, they look like that out of the makeup.
I look, it looked like an upside down blue peanut M&M. It was horrible.
So yeah. Well, I mean, we know you're a music guy.
What's your go-to karaoke? Ooh. I like Into the Mystic by Van Morrison.
Okay. Yeah.
Nice. That's got some saxophone in it.
That's a great one. Yeah, I would.
Yeah. Can you play that? Like that.
Or, I mean, Belle Biv DeVoe, Poison. Nice.
Gets the crowd going and you got a little rap on there, too. Yeah, you can get the dance moves going with that one.
That's true, yeah. As long as I don't tear a meniscus don't tear a meniscus damn it don't do that i know i know that's how you know you're old when you learn the word meniscus football players very familiar with dinner yeah yeah yeah um but yeah i those those are a couple that come that come to mind forte and i used to do karaoke so much during our snl years like we would just go just the two of us to the You know the one of those private rooms on the West Village and just get after like in the afternoon

No, no, like and it's just it's just a blast

That's all right one of the greatest karaoke singers of all time because he does deep cuts

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This is just so good. There are so many flashbacks.
All right. Great.
Let them be flash forwards, bud. That's right.
Great. All right, last question.
If you weren't an actor, what would you be doing? Oddly enough, I think I would probably want to coach basketball and teach acting. I think that would be so neat to be a drama teacher, and it's kind of what I get to do as Ted Lasso.
Yeah. Both behind the scenes and in front of the camera.
i really like uh seeing people reach their potential like i like encouraging that i i don't do it as well as as as i could at every given moment but that's one of the neat things of getting to write a show where you where you do play those type of characters um but yeah i think those are two things that i've benefited from greatly in my life uh both you know team sports and and and being around the arts. Like growing up, my mom taking us to see everything, my dad playing all sorts of music in the car and just everything in between, but I would want to do some version of that.
I mean, I guess I am kind of doing that with my kids. Yeah, right.
I wouldn't take them to go see plays and go to see basketball and sports and whatnot, but yeah, that would be it. What about you guys? What would you do? Me? What are you going to do? I don't know.
Yeah. What am I doing? I mean, I think that's why Travis signed up for another year of football.
Yeah, where it's like you don't have to ask that. This guy has no idea what he's doing with his life right now.
I got to keep playing as long as I can. Do you know what you would have done? I feel like I would have still been in sports, like done some sort of broadcasting or something like that.
I just remember always mimicking what I heard on the TV during games and stuff. Like John Madden and all those games.
Of course, yeah. Probably coach.
I just think it's so hard to envision myself doing something outside of sports. That was really the only thing that I was ever good at.
I could see you playing the sax on SNL. The sax on SNL? Yeah.
I was baritone in Cleveland Heights' Jazz Ensemble. You had some fucking solos, though.
You know why I was baritone? Because I wasn't good enough to play tenor alto. Baritone's like the bass line? That's funny.
Slow fingers. You gotta get those things faster.
You know Lenny Pickett is a legend. Oh, yeah.
I mean, come on. Power, power.
Yeah, baby. Golly, Crazy Legs? What was his name? Do you know? No picket is a legend oh yeah i mean come on power power man that dude yeah baby golly crazy legs what was his name uh no i don't forget uh he has he has there's a dance that he does like lenny picket yeah who's the guy that played with the saxophone on slo power is one of our power is his yeah but he has like a dance move that he did he would like i don't know you know it's something that my buddy billy always brings up he's like he's like that's Lenny Pickett, man.
Crazy legs. Not what he used to do.
I can't wait to watch these. I know.
I've got to find out what it is. You know, Jason, that's not what it's called.
He's a very chill guy. His saxophone is all over the place when his voice is very chill.
Lenny, legend. I love it, man.
Love it. Dude, thanks for coming on, brother.
Of course, man. You're the best, brother.
It's been so great. Thank you for having me.
Really, yes, absolutely. Thank you so much.
I appreciate you always showing up in KC2, man. We'll get back on showing up in casey too man we'll get back on the train baby absolutely we'll get back we will indeed we will i have no i've it's been again it's a better this is this what happens at the end of the second act you know like this is when woody and you know buzz light you're they're they're away from each other then they come back together yes that's the chiefs and the trophy let's do it baby all right now shout Shout out to Jason Sudeikis.
What a guy, man. Yeah.
That was, God damn it, I loved every second of it. It's one of those where, like, you really don't even read the rundown.
And I hate to say that to our producers because you guys do a lot of hard work and a lot of research, but don't do it, Brandon. My iPad was off.
Yeah. No, he's one of those guys where you just ask an interesting question like how about the blue man crew like are you kidding me yeah for sure the blue man crew like his time in vegas his time in second city right riding a razor scooter yeah through to the flamingo every day i just the thing i took I took away for sure is just how much he's like,

how much he's valued all the people

that he's been surrounding.

Oh, he's so grateful.

He's the best.

Yeah, and it's just awesome.

Just a Midwest, just a nice Midwest man.

Yeah, for sure.

That'll make him any better, man.

No doubt.

And he's on the Chiefs side,

which is, you know,

it's heartbreaking for me

because I didn't make him proud.

I think you did.

One day I will.

You did. No, man, Jason's the best.
Boo, boo, boo, boo, boo, basketball. You know what I'm talking about? You have no fucking clue.
This guy's clueless, man. All right.
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Follow the show on all social media at New Heights Show with one S. Thanks to our production and crew for kind of doing some good stuff this time around.
Yeah. You know, always, always, always.
Always. Thanks.
Thanks to you guys.

Please delete anything that I will get canceled for. And to the 92 percenters, hopefully you guys enjoyed both episodes this week.
And we will see you guys next week. Appreciate you tuning in.
Peace. Peace.
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