#126: Race Car Driver Questions God

Speaker 1 One of our core principles of leadership that we teach to entrepreneurs is

Speaker 1 a willingness to be wrong or essentially a skeptic of your own feelings, right?

Speaker 1 Like that, yes, you can be very secure in what you believe, but always open and willing that, hey, maybe I don't have it all figured out and I'm still curious to gain more knowledge.

Speaker 1 Hey guys, I'm super excited to have Mr. Lucas D.
DeGrasse. Am I pronouncing DeGrasse? Is that right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's good. All right, DeGrasse.
So Lucas is literally the godfather. He is the champion of F1E.
So you guys have probably seen Drive to Survive on Netflix, which is the Formula One circuit.

Speaker 1 The F1E circuit is essentially the same, but on the electric side of the vehicles.

Speaker 1 And Lucas has been a driver for many years, comes from from a very successful background, very successful family, and down in Brazil, and has been able to do a lot of really cool things.

Speaker 1 Welcome to the show, Mr. Lucas.

Speaker 1 Thanks, Chris. Thank you very much for hosting me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I've raced my whole life since I was seven years old. I raced in Formula One back in 2010, then in long endurance races, and I helped to create Formula E, which is Formula One Electric.

Speaker 1 For people who don't know know that. And yeah,

Speaker 1 what year was that

Speaker 1 you created Formula One E?

Speaker 1 I was not the founder, but a very good friend of mine, as soon as he got the idea, he called me. I was the first

Speaker 1 person to join him to do it. And it was July 2012.
2012, man. You know, a lot of people, myself included, would have never realized that this type of circuit existed 12 years ago.

Speaker 1 In fact, I look back at like electric cars like Tesla, right? In 2012, they had very little market penetration. There wasn't really even a lot of

Speaker 1 automakers in the full electric vehicles. And so the fact that there was a race circuit that was founded 12 years ago and the electric, that's just kind of mind-boggling for me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was actually a lot of the difficulty we had at the very beginning because nobody really believed that electric would be a big part of the future.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I got my mind on that because I could see that Formula One back then,

Speaker 1 actually in 2009,

Speaker 1 started with the hybrid engines and then Endurance Racing in 2011 started with hybrid engines. And when you extrapolate the,

Speaker 1 when you go further with the hybrid

Speaker 1 part of the motor to make the motor more efficient basically you go towards more electrification.

Speaker 1 So, for me, it was clear in a way that the technology will evolve towards more electrification of the fleet. Yeah, that's so awesome.
So, you've been racing cars

Speaker 1 or racing go-karts or whatever else

Speaker 1 since age seven. How old are you now, Lucas?

Speaker 1 I'm actually just turned 40. So, big,

Speaker 1 big,

Speaker 1 yeah,

Speaker 1 a big celebration for the 40th birthday.

Speaker 1 And yeah, I've been racing since, well, professionally since 2020 21 and then before that in gold karting since I was seven awesome so professional for 20 years 40 years old you and me both man we I just I just turned 40 in February so yeah 19 a couple 1984 babies I mean August so very close okay very good very good so so Lucas um you come from a very successful family down in Brazil is that correct

Speaker 1 Generally, yes.

Speaker 1 My grandparents were born, all of them were born in Italy, and they migrated to Brazil in between the First and the Second World War.

Speaker 1 And they came here with nothing and start building their lives.

Speaker 1 And yeah,

Speaker 1 my father was a successful businessman. and allowed me to start the racing world, to focus on this sport that I love.

Speaker 1 So, you know, a lot of people would look at your life and be like, man, this guy's got it figured out, right?

Speaker 1 You've got,

Speaker 1 you know, a successful family. So

Speaker 1 the financial and everything else seems to be in check.

Speaker 1 You're racing. You're doing what you love.
You're able to compete professionally and everything else.

Speaker 1 What are some things right now that are like the

Speaker 1 lids in your life that you're trying to break through? Like, what gives you passion and what are you working on to become a better version of yourself right now?

Speaker 1 That's probably one of the most interesting questions that

Speaker 1 anybody has ever asked because it's not something that you hear every day. Like, everybody wants to know what is actually doing well, but very few people want to know

Speaker 1 what is the struggle, right, in your life.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 well,

Speaker 1 there are many

Speaker 1 different slices of my life that I can name. For example, my personal life.
I'm a

Speaker 1 young parent. I have two young kids.
A boy, which is six, a girl, which is three. So being a parent already is extremely difficult because

Speaker 1 it's very hard to educate children in the right way. You have to be very hands-on.
It's a lot of work.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I really believe that

Speaker 1 doing the right thing is very important for them. So

Speaker 1 I try to to spend a lot of time on that.

Speaker 1 On the other hand, I travel a lot for my racing, so I'm away from them. So, I miss them a lot.

Speaker 1 That puts a lot of stress in the family. I live in Monaco.
All my family lives in Brazil.

Speaker 1 My little family lives in Monaco, but like my parents, my brothers,

Speaker 1 my cousins, everybody lives in Brazil. So, I've been away for so many years and I miss the contact with my brothers, with my family.

Speaker 1 And then in and then professionally,

Speaker 1 I had a very, very tough year. Last year was the worst year of my career.
The car, I made a choice to change teams two years ago that

Speaker 1 really compromised a lot of

Speaker 1 my career. And

Speaker 1 I struggled a lot to

Speaker 1 get the cars

Speaker 1 competitive, didn't manage to do so. So I changed teams again for this year.
So yeah,

Speaker 1 I've been professionally and personally struggling a lot with this transition at this stage.

Speaker 1 You know, it's interesting. I have the theory that

Speaker 1 happiness and success aren't destinations, right?

Speaker 1 They're trajectories that we're on, and that much of what we experience, joy and happiness, is based on where we're, what trajectory we were going, right?

Speaker 1 You can be at a destination of a lot of money or very, very,

Speaker 1 you know, an incredible point of your career. Like, for example, you're driving, right? And you kind of the top of your career.

Speaker 1 And if your trajectory is flat or even declined, like that is where our happiness stems from. And whenever we're, whenever we're decreasing

Speaker 1 in our trajectory or maintaining our trajectory, it feels like we're missing something, right? Like

Speaker 1 there's a joy that's lacking. And so,

Speaker 1 you know, obviously you've had a,

Speaker 1 so from the sound of it, it sounds like it's been a struggle the last

Speaker 1 year, year and a half from a professional. Like most people from the outside looking in like, oh, no,

Speaker 1 he's got to figure it out, right? He's a professional driver. There's no way he can be, you know, mad about anything that's going on.
Like,

Speaker 1 Tell me more about

Speaker 1 what do you see happening with that? How are you trying to break through?

Speaker 1 What's the next move for you that's going to help you get back on that trajectory where you feel fulfilled again?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I would even go further and say that in professional sports, being happy could be an enemy of performance.

Speaker 1 It's

Speaker 1 when you're happy means that you're satisfied or or where you are. And in sports, you can never be satisfied.
You can always, you know, there is always room for improvement. There is always,

Speaker 1 I never did a perfect lap around the racetrack. I never did a perfect race.
So even if you win a race, of course, you have a period that you're happy. Let's say you race at midday.

Speaker 1 Sunday until the Monday morning, maybe you're happy, but Monday you have to be sad again in a way that you're trying to figure out where you can get better.

Speaker 1 And for me, it has been a lot of struggle because, first, you have a lot of pressure in the races. So

Speaker 1 it's not that I do something that I love, but before the races, there is a lot of stress, a lot of pressure, both from within and both outside,

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 with myself to get better. So every day, every minute of every hour of every day, thinking about

Speaker 1 what should eat, which training should I get better?

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 as life gets more complex, this just expands to different realms. So, like, how can I be a better father? Have I made the correct decision here or there? Or financial investment? So, it is

Speaker 1 definitely happiness is not a state, it is a moment,

Speaker 1 it is a period.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 for sure,

Speaker 1 I think that

Speaker 1 many happy moments in a row could lead in a way

Speaker 1 for you to be less hungry to what you want to achieve. For sure.
No, I'm pessimistic, but

Speaker 1 it is in a way like this. I agree with the happiness.

Speaker 1 I guess more along the lines of success, right? Like success is a trajectory of constantly improving, right? Like

Speaker 1 you may not be happy along the way all the time, right? Like you're because you got to be hungry, like, as you, as you're talking about. So,

Speaker 1 you know, you bring up a good point. Like,

Speaker 1 I guess it'd be interesting to know if you could never race again, right? Like, if professional driving was taken from you,

Speaker 1 where are you finding passion in life tomorrow,

Speaker 1 if that were the case?

Speaker 1 I wouldn't have a problem not racing tomorrow. I think I am in any way in a later stage of my career.

Speaker 1 It's very rare to find professional racing drivers

Speaker 1 in single seaters, which is the pinnacle of racing is like IndyCar, Formula One, Fond Lai. It's very rare to find drivers over 40 years old.

Speaker 1 I think there is like a handful of drivers that are 40 years old. I am the oldest in Fontlai.
The oldest in Formula One, I think, is Alonso at 42.

Speaker 1 In IndyCar maybe is Scott Dixon, which is 40-something as well. So it's very hard to to be there so I'm in the later stage of my career and I'm preparing my transition already in a way

Speaker 1 to understand do I become a team principal in a team do I shift completely and go to Brazilian politics

Speaker 1 I don't know yet I

Speaker 1 and I'm not in a hurry to figure it out I have my my plan A and my only plan is to do the best I can on my racing because it has to be like this with the mentality and then at one point that I decide to stop

Speaker 1 then I will figure it out. But in the meantime, of course, you are, I'm in, in doing Harvard Business School with you and trying to figure out what would be

Speaker 1 my best next move. Yeah, you know, you bring up a solid point.
So

Speaker 1 you're investing time to be at Harvard Business School, which is clearly

Speaker 1 an indication of like

Speaker 1 you're still trying to learn, you're still trying to improve. Like

Speaker 1 why,

Speaker 1 why are you attending Harvard Business School?

Speaker 1 What's your reasoning for being there when you already have this successful career?

Speaker 1 Trying to be a better person, trying to improve myself.

Speaker 1 I left university. I joined

Speaker 1 my bachelor in economics when I was 17, 18. I did one year and I had to drop out to follow professional motorsport.
It was impossible to do both.

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 1 i've been doing a lot of different business in parallel to racing you're always you you are a business right you are you are you have to promote your own brand you have to promote your own products you have to

Speaker 1 there is a business around

Speaker 1 around the sportsman all the time so i've been doing this business but i felt that i could learn different businesses, different methodologies, different ways to lead and to understand a team, apply some of this into racing itself and prepare myself better to when I'm not a, let's say, an individual racing a car, but I'm let's say coordinating a a team in the future, that I would be much

Speaker 1 I would already have acquired part of the knowledge necessary from, for example, Harvard Business School that would accelerate my process, I will accelerate my transition to this next stage of my of my life.

Speaker 1 So what are,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 once again, from the outside looking in, you've got life figured out, right? You got the great family, you're going to Harvard, you're doing these different things. Like,

Speaker 1 what are the mental weaknesses or the thoughts that go through your mind

Speaker 1 that

Speaker 1 you struggle with? And how do you work through those? And, like, yeah, I mean, just

Speaker 1 ask you to open up a little there and kind of maybe share.

Speaker 1 Because some people, it's like, hey, man, I'm just not good enough. I'm not good enough to be in this room.

Speaker 1 I'm still trying to find my purpose in life, whatever. Like, what are some of the mental struggles that you battle with, and how do you get through them?

Speaker 1 Definitely the imposter syndrome is

Speaker 1 real.

Speaker 1 You always think how good you are.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 am I the same person as i was 10 years ago driving cars is it

Speaker 1 am i not having good results because i'm aging is because i'm not good enough or it's just because the car is not good enough or how do i how do i go around that the aging is a big factor you know it it um

Speaker 1 when you turn 40 it's just a mark but still

Speaker 1 you realize

Speaker 1 Again, you know, another benchmark has reached. So

Speaker 1 how do you keep as healthy as possible at optimum cognition and physical performance that you can have?

Speaker 1 What about with your family? Also,

Speaker 1 yeah, I was going to say,

Speaker 1 I have a brother which has

Speaker 1 some form of autism in a way, so that lives in Brazil, a younger brother, that definitely I need to help more. I've been away away for 20 years in Europe.

Speaker 1 I became very distanced from him. That's something that is always in the back of my mind: that I need to go back and

Speaker 1 help more on this side and

Speaker 1 bring him closer to me. But it's impossible just living abroad, and it is impossible to race or to fulfill my duties as a race driver living in Brazil because

Speaker 1 the team, everything is based in Europe. So

Speaker 1 yeah, on this side of the family also, you know, that I spend a lot of time away from my parents, from my friends, from everybody that I love in Brazil.

Speaker 1 That's always in the back of my mind and it's always something that every time I have a bad race, I'm like, is this worth it? Is this like...

Speaker 1 Is it enough? Have I raced enough? Should I go back? Should I continue? Should I push through?

Speaker 1 All these conflicts are always going back and forth.

Speaker 1 So, I mean, obviously, those are like some of the doubts or the worries. Like,

Speaker 1 how do you handle that? Like,

Speaker 1 where does your mind go to that like, oh.

Speaker 1 I can do this or I can do that to improve that, to better take care of my brother. Or maybe one day I'm going to be able to have more time.

Speaker 1 Like, where does your mind go to help like just deal with those type of doubts that you experience?

Speaker 1 I am a very pragmatic and logic person. I'm not,

Speaker 1 I am very little religious

Speaker 1 at all. My family, on the contrary, my family, it is,

Speaker 1 they are very religious

Speaker 1 from they are Catholic and Italian background, and my mom, and so on. So

Speaker 1 I can tell you, like,

Speaker 1 I wish I I could

Speaker 1 have more of this exchange on the religion side, which I don't. So my mind goes through,

Speaker 1 yeah,

Speaker 1 how can I help? How can I do that?

Speaker 1 How can I incentivize the people around him to be, or how can I bring him closer? But I haven't figured it out yet. It's something that I need to be close.
I need to be physically there to be able to

Speaker 1 be in touch more. You bring up an interesting subject.
So you bring up a religion. Your family's religious and you're more pragmatic and you kind of expressed a little like, man, I wish I was like,

Speaker 1 why, why have you gone that way? Or what keeps you from

Speaker 1 taking that step or maybe going back to the faith of your parents? I was raised in a Catholic house and

Speaker 1 I was married in church.

Speaker 1 I was baptized and everything.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 for me, the more I study and the more I see life and the more I see how hard life is to so many people,

Speaker 1 for me, it had the effect of getting away from religion more than bringing it closer because I see so many

Speaker 1 unfair things in the world so many suffering right that

Speaker 1 uh

Speaker 1 i i never saw the evidence that i look for or the logical reasoning to to be more religious i'm not saying that so do you believe in god believe in anything i don't

Speaker 1 the question is that uh i don't depend on what you define what god is first of all do you believe in a higher

Speaker 1 let's say, on the Catholic? Yeah, yeah. If you say to me, look,

Speaker 1 let's say that what created the Big Bang is a God, and he put the laws of physics, and he's not, he's just said, Look, here it is, universe, go.

Speaker 1 I would believe it. If you ask me if I believe there is a superior being looking at children

Speaker 1 with cancer, looking at children in Africa that are having a horrible time

Speaker 1 and not doing anything, I don't believe

Speaker 1 omnipresent, omniscient being

Speaker 1 could live so much for suffering in the world. So that's where I come from.
So, first, defining what God is,

Speaker 1 and then

Speaker 1 for the traditional sense, for the let's say the Catholic way,

Speaker 1 that

Speaker 1 I don't believe, but I believe there is a

Speaker 1 you can call it

Speaker 1 the laws of physics, or you can call God, or you can call the simulation

Speaker 1 universe, or the guy who created the simulation. But there is some force that allows our universe to create life and to create consciousness,

Speaker 1 which is a deep mystery to me. That

Speaker 1 is something that I try to understand more and more

Speaker 1 as life goes by. It sounds like you struggle with a belief in a higher being because of the

Speaker 1 terrible things that go on in the world.

Speaker 1 Is that correct? Yeah, because of the lack of evidence in a way um

Speaker 1 lack of evidence that in any way our lives are influenced by something

Speaker 1 which could break the laws of physics essentially um

Speaker 1 this for me i i haven't seen an evidence i looked everywhere so

Speaker 1 omnis omnip a powerful god that could break the laws of physics. I haven't seen any evidence of that.

Speaker 1 So for me, at the moment, the question is: What if the answer is that I don't know? Right. I hope it is.
I hope it is.

Speaker 1 You bring up an interesting point. The interesting thing about science

Speaker 1 is that although there are physical laws and everything else,

Speaker 1 they've been proven wrong

Speaker 1 over the history of man, right? Like,

Speaker 1 the way we understand science today is not the same way we understood science a hundred years ago or 500 years ago or a thousand years ago. And so, you know, I, so I'm a, I'm a believer.

Speaker 1 I, I, I believe, I believe in God, but I do believe in, I believe that science is the power of God.

Speaker 1 And,

Speaker 1 but, but also,

Speaker 1 but I also believe that man has not come to a total understanding of how science works or how the power of God works. Um, like, for example, miracles.

Speaker 1 I don't believe that there's miracles in the traditional sense. I believe that there's miracles in misunderstanding the way science works.
And, like, example,

Speaker 1 if we were alive 200 years ago, me and you, Lucas, and we looked up in the sky and we saw an airplane flying 200 years ago,

Speaker 1 we would both look at each other and be like, wow, that's a miracle, right?

Speaker 1 That's aliens or whatever.

Speaker 1 Whatever.

Speaker 1 but we would, but we would look at it as a there that's not scientific, right? Like that, that

Speaker 1 this, because there's never in the history been able to have an airplane flying through the air, yet

Speaker 1 airplanes follow the science of God, the science of physics, the science, right? And and and so, you know, I think

Speaker 1 God,

Speaker 1 God is, is the one that that actually has created the laws of physics, created the way that science works. And I think man has a misunderstanding around that.

Speaker 1 And to your point around

Speaker 1 cancer and starving kids in Africa and all the terrible things that go on in the world,

Speaker 1 I'm a believer that

Speaker 1 we learn the most through the difficult things that we experience. And although nobody likes to see suffering, nobody likes to see

Speaker 1 cancer or struggle or

Speaker 1 anything else, those that make it through it, or even those that don't make it through it, those that have to watch and like have the opportunity to learn and grow from it.

Speaker 1 And, you know, I'm a believer that God put us on the earth

Speaker 1 to experience difficulty, to go through the the terrible things that the world has to offer. So that,

Speaker 1 have you ever read the book by Urban Meyer?

Speaker 1 Do you know who Urban Meyer is, the football coach from Ohio State?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 So you love sports. I think you would love this book.
This guy,

Speaker 1 he has a book called Above the Line,

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 he teaches his teams

Speaker 1 how to deal with adversity and to to handle life in essential and and he's got a an equation that I absolutely love and it's called E plus R equals O and it stands for event

Speaker 1 plus response equals outcome and essentially the

Speaker 1 the the whole thing with the the equation is that

Speaker 1 We can control the outcome. We can't always control the event.
So there's two things in that equation that we control, and it's essentially the response and the outcome. Events happen.

Speaker 1 People are diagnosed with cancer. We lose races, right? We get in an argument,

Speaker 1 whatever it is. Like there's things that are external that we don't have power over that happens in the event.
And I think a lot of people, they look at events

Speaker 1 similar to like what you're saying, and they say, there can't be a God if this event takes place, right? right? Like

Speaker 1 God,

Speaker 1 and the thing that I've always believed is that God is not found in the event, but God is found in the response. And

Speaker 1 the way that we respond to terrible events or terrible things that we have no control over and that are scientific, right?

Speaker 1 Like that, that the laws of gravity will stick to, like events will take place because of the laws of gravity, right?

Speaker 1 Like, a plane will fall out of the air, or like when the engine no longer works, or whatever, whatever it may be. Like, those are all events.

Speaker 1 And the way that we respond or handle those events, I do believe that there is a higher being that gives us strength, that gives us power to overcome.

Speaker 1 And which eventually, if we respond, produces the outcome that we desire.

Speaker 1 I understand this explanation is more of an

Speaker 1 inner explanation of how you see yourself responding to external phenomena and how do you deal with, let's say, an internal spirituality.

Speaker 1 And I fully understand

Speaker 1 what the reason why I got away from the church, for example, is that

Speaker 1 if there was, let's say, if really there was a text, an ancient text or an ancient knowledge that was way far ahead of its time, right, That you could explain

Speaker 1 stuff that was,

Speaker 1 let's say, that many thousands of years later, we would look back and say, How do they knew that? How could they know that? It must be

Speaker 1 somebody else that put that knowledge there. But that's not the case.
When you look at the past, it was very precarious.

Speaker 1 When you look at the trying to burn Galileo, because he said that the sun does not rotate around the earth, actually, the church tried to burn him.

Speaker 1 The church burned alive tens of thousands of widows, of women, because they were witches

Speaker 1 because they didn't understand that the black plague was actually transmitted by rats. And actually, widows had cats as a company.

Speaker 1 So the rate of them getting contaminated by the plague was actually much lower than the average population.

Speaker 1 They said that the earth was created in six days, but if in ancient text there was something written 5000 years ago or 2000 years ago the earth was created in 4.5 billion years ago and then science 2000 years later looking at the is the carbon isotope and looking said oh it's actually 4.5 i would be okay wait there is something there that the church knew that we don't know right but apart from this which don't take me wrong i think this inner spirituality, and this is what I'm talking about, that actually gives you the strength to go through stuff

Speaker 1 and gives you the strength to do good, and give you the strength to go through

Speaker 1 difficulty in life. And I think this is very valuable.
And this has a lot of value,

Speaker 1 not only for the individual, but for society.

Speaker 1 But the external knowledge is where it gets me, the more I dig, the more I read books, the more I try to learn, and the more I try to search for the truth, the more it gets me away, not the other way around.

Speaker 1 And I fully understand and I fully agree with you about the scientific method. And science does not know.
Science is really the question of saying, I don't know. So, which is the question I raised.

Speaker 1 I don't know about God. Let's try to figure it out.
If somebody,

Speaker 1 if by one time I see something floating, let's say, a guy floating or opening the Red Sea or whatever, which seed open.

Speaker 1 And there was evidence that actually that happened, that

Speaker 1 some laws of physics, either thermodynamics or gravity or whatever,

Speaker 1 actually were broken and was proven. And you say, look, hmm,

Speaker 1 that guy has like some superpower. Then I would completely change my mind.
I'm open to change. I'm not

Speaker 1 certain of anything.

Speaker 1 So I, you know, and I think that's that's the

Speaker 1 I'm definitely not trying to convince you one way or another, but just to,

Speaker 1 you know, it's interesting just to understand because I get it. You were raised Catholic, which is a very like, this is like one way, one way to believe and whatever else.
And it's interesting because

Speaker 1 my belief is

Speaker 1 although I believe in Christ and I'm very much Christian, it is my beliefs are non-traditional from the standpoint is I believe that, you know,

Speaker 1 like I actually have like a lot of answers for the things that you brought up, which we'll have to leave to a,

Speaker 1 we'll have to have a fun discussion at Harvard about that. But

Speaker 1 you're, you're right, right? Like there's, there's a lot of,

Speaker 1 I think there's a lot of power in ourselves individually.

Speaker 1 I believe that a lot of that comes from God.

Speaker 1 But that there's a there's a lot of terrible things that have taken place in the name of religion, right? In

Speaker 1 that

Speaker 1 you you brought up.

Speaker 1 And, you know, when we talk about like one ancient script, frankly, I believe that there's many ancient scripts and that scripts are simply inspired journals of interactions and experiences with God.

Speaker 1 And I think that they exist very much so outside of the Bible. You know, do I believe that the Bible has a lot of it? Yeah, it's great.
But,

Speaker 1 you know, I believe that truth can be found in anything and uh and that each one of us have a whole lot more divinity inside of us than we give ourselves credit for all right like a lot of a lot of it's like divinity is only in the bible or divinity is only in god but no divinity is in each of us individually and i and i think it's uh yes this i this this i agree and i understand and And yeah, and I see, and I think there's a lot of value.

Speaker 1 The other thing, which for me very important as I search for progress as a human being, is

Speaker 1 try to, it's very hard

Speaker 1 to try to not,

Speaker 1 how can I say, not trust yourself, not follow your bias. There is a very strong mechanism for you to try to justify your own choices.

Speaker 1 And this is something that I try to understand and try to avoid. So, how

Speaker 1 I have to be as much as I can a skeptic of myself, of my preferences, of my bias, of my reasoning. So,

Speaker 1 how can I create mechanisms that allow me to be

Speaker 1 always verify if I'm not going in a direction that I want to go without any rationale behind?

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 this is very common from education education of kids to

Speaker 1 try to improve in my sport try to i don't know gain some advantage on driving for some reason or trying to uh

Speaker 1 eat better or exercise better or have a better lifestyle so or even investing money or so on so how do you do create these mechanisms and how you live your life to make sure that you you you don't you don't do that how to be a skeptical of your own feelings which sometimes are in a good way give you the right intuition and on the other hand,

Speaker 1 could create a lot of irrational decisions. You know,

Speaker 1 that's so, so important.

Speaker 1 In fact, it's one of the

Speaker 1 One of our core principles of leadership that we teach to entrepreneurs is

Speaker 1 a willingness to be wrong or essentially a skeptic of

Speaker 1 your own feelings, right?

Speaker 1 Like that, yes, you can be very secure in what you believe, but always open and willing that, hey, maybe I don't have it all figured out, and I'm still curious to gain more knowledge.

Speaker 1 And I think that, like you said, it applies to everything. This applies to being a parent.

Speaker 1 This applies to being an athlete, a professional, our spirituality side, and like, and really is the premise of everything that we believe in. That, like, in order to get to the next level,

Speaker 1 we have to always be open. Because when, if we're unwilling to be open around new ideas or improvements to be made, we will either maintain or decline wherever we're at in any area of life.

Speaker 1 And so, I think, you know, with that, Lucas, man, I, I appreciate like just the open conversation. This is, this is awesome.
And, uh, I, you know, just, just talking, like

Speaker 1 being real with people of like, hey, man,

Speaker 1 I may look like I have things figured out, but like, I still struggle with like, how do I spend more time with my family? How do I be a better father?

Speaker 1 How can I, you know, impact my brother who has autism? Like, dude,

Speaker 1 those are such good gems, like for us to know that.

Speaker 1 that you are a real human and you put on your underwear one leg at a time just like the rest of us. And, and, you know,

Speaker 1 you're still figuring it out, just like we are. And so, I just wanted to say thank you.
Thank you for being open and sharing those things.

Speaker 1 Are you active on social media? What's the best way for our listeners to get a hold of you or follow you? Well, first of all, Chris, thank you very much.

Speaker 1 This hour of

Speaker 1 our talk will get me thinking a lot for the next days to come. So, yeah, thank you for occupying a piece of real estate in my mind, a large piece that I will be thinking about that for a long time.

Speaker 1 I think it's great what you're doing with this podcast because it shows the humanity in everybody. And this is, I think, what is lacking nowadays.

Speaker 1 I think a lot of people in social media, they see just the surface. They don't see the inside.
They don't see the struggles. They just want to see the good part.

Speaker 1 And that creates a lot of anxiety because everybody is human. everybody's struggling.
So, congratulations on what you're doing. That's really amazing.

Speaker 1 And yeah, I post mostly about racing and different topics, both on LinkedIn, Twitter, or X now, and

Speaker 1 Instagram. It's at LucasDeGracie.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 yeah, hopefully, people that watched us will follow Forma Yi as well. And they're all welcoming one race, including you.

Speaker 1 Let's see which one you have to come. All right, man.
Super excited.

Speaker 1 Just as a reminder to all the listeners, success is a trajectory.

Speaker 1 It is never a destination. We are all looking to level up, get it to the next level, whether it's physically, economic, and our associations, or our spirituality.
Until next time.