579: No Such Thing As Indiana Jones And The Rare Burrito

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Hello, and welcome to another another episode of No Such Thing as a Fish, a weekly podcast coming to you from the QI offices in Hoburn.

My name is Dan Schreiber.

I'm sitting here with Andrew Hunter Murray, James Harkin, and Anna Tashinski.

And once again, we have gathered around the microphones with our four favorite facts from the last seven days.

And in no particular order, here we go.

Starting with fact number one, and that is James.

Okay, my fact this week is that sodium citrate, the chemical you add to cheese to make it melty nacho cheese, contains sodium, carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen, or according to their chemical symbols, NA, C, H, and O.

Unbelievable.

And this is proof of living in a matrix, right?

Yes, very unimaginative matrix.

So I was watching a YouTube clip by a person called Minute Food, and they showed an experiment of how to make American cheese from any kind of cheese.

So you could just take any kind of cheese and add sodium citrate, and it will make it more melty.

And in that, that's when they said this fact.

Although I've looked since logs and it is kind of all over the internet.

Right, okay.

It's not lazy.

Some people knuff over it.

I think that we're doing the world a favor by hopefully putting it more on the internet because it is amazing.

Yeah, it's very good.

This podcast is about what I learned this week, and this is a thing that I recently learned.

It's a melting salt, isn't it?

Sodium citrate.

So

when you melt a cheese,

the fats and the proteins separate out from each other,

but it can get very lumpy.

It kind of forms forms like a mesh.

Normally, it's like a big solid thing with proteins and fats and moisture and stuff.

It kind of all spreads out.

Now you've got this mesh of stuff.

And the more meshy it is, the more melty it is, basically.

Yes.

And the sodium, as far as I understand it, it replaces calcium ions.

And the calcium ions are the thing that made the cheese proteins all bond together.

So the more sodium citrate there is, the smoother the meltiness gets.

And it does exactly the same thing in another thing that needs to get thinner.

Offen.

Oh, it should be a diet truck.

A Zen Pic is actually made out of osmium

blood thinners.

Really?

It's put in lots of blood thinners, exactly the same thing.

And it's usually in when you donate blood, they need to add something to keep it from clotting after you've donated it before it's given to someone.

And they pop in basically nacho juice.

Sodium citrate also helps your body to create hydrogen ions, which lowers acidity in your muscles and stops you from feeling the burn when you do lots of exercise.

Oh, cool.

I'm not exactly sure of the chemical process of how it works, but it does work.

And so, some people take sodium citrate supplements.

Well, they might use it if they've got a urinary tract infection because it can be used to relieve discomfort in those.

Really?

I presume by just selectively melting bits of your urinary tract.

I've understood the science.

Does it work if you kind of like shove some melty cheese up there?

I think that's that is sub-optimal, but it will in a pinch.

That's what you've got.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Natural cheese is not a cheese.

It's not a cheese,

It's a cheese product made from cheese.

Because as James says, you can put any old cheese, you shove it in, you put this stuff in, you melt it, that becomes the natural cheesy sauce.

So there's no sort of core cheese

that produces natural cheese.

So natural cheese is not a cheese.

No.

It's a cheese derivative.

Which should be

very clear if you eat it.

It's kind of, it's weird because it's taking a cheese and it is making it worse, isn't it?

I mean, it's making it more useful because it can spread over stuff.

I think the thing is about food is it's not completely objective.

I disagree about nacho cheese.

Do you?

You think everyone who likes nacho cheese is just straight up wrong.

Well, I have brie on my nachos.

That's what I do.

And it's a bit harder to melt, but it's fine.

The other thing about American cheese is it was invented in Switzerland by a Canadian.

Really?

I think we've mentioned it before.

It's James Craft who came up with the idea of extending the shelf life of cheese by putting all these salts in it.

Interesting.

Interesting.

Have we mentioned the competition we did?

On the last day

on our last tour.

Oh, no.

We're trying to break a record for the most slices of American cheese eaten in a minute.

Yeah.

Dry.

Yeah, so we, it was a Guinness World Record.

I brought Craig Glenday, who's the editor-in-chief, on stage for us to attempt to break it.

And we sucked.

It was really hard.

10 slices in a minute without being able to lubricate your mouth is nuts.

It was too much.

James, you got the most, I think.

I think James did pretty well.

I did respectably.

And you guys

did a small corner.

I ate one.

I was just so appalled by the quality of the cheese.

I found the hardest thing was taking off the bits of plastic because you had to do that as well.

And I think the pros have like a special flip that they do with a wrist that kind of flips the cheese out and helps him tweet it.

But I think I had four and a bit.

Yeah, you did amazing.

That's good.

I've had like one, and he'd been practicing for a week before.

Yeah, I've been practicing for so long, but he only told me on the night I couldn't drink.

If you can drink in between, you can get a lot more done.

Do you know what you can do in fondue instead of add sodium citrate?

And what they do do, in fact.

White wine, you add sweat, don't you?

What?

Yeah, I guess you know how to make fondue.

Anna's reaction there was like she'd asked name a number between one and a million and I guessed it.

I was thinking, how has James worked out the chemical processes and then figured out that wine does that?

Oh no, he just knows fondue recipes.

That's what the wine does in fondue.

Dry white wine has the same kind of acidity and that helps the cheese not congeal in exactly the same way.

It stops the case and proteins binding together.

Does the alcohol burn away, or does it?

Most of it burns away, but it is why fondue smells, as like you'll notice, of alcohol, which I've always thought, God, it's such a strong smell.

I don't think I've ever eaten it sober.

So, like, I mean,

what's the difference?

There's so much alcohol around anyway.

I've never noticed the smell of the fondue.

You're so right.

It's just in the air, isn't it?

Who invented nachos?

Have we said this before?

I'm not sure we have.

Mr.

Mr.

Nacho.

Mr.

Nacho.

Actually, not Mr.

Nacho.

Mr.

Anaya.

But his first name was Nacho, which is short for Ignacio.

And he created them in 1943 at the Victory Club in Mexico, Coahuila.

And it was a restaurant close to the border.

And a lot of American service people who were kind of training for World War II were there and their families as well.

And they all came in one day and said, we want some food.

This guy was the Maitre D, but the chef had disappeared.

And so he said, don't worry, I'll make you something.

And he ran into the kitchen.

And and all he could find was this cheese and bits of tostadas

and a few jalapenos.

And he put them all under the grill, and a new dish was born.

So you're saying it was kind of discovered by accident, in a way?

Maybe.

Sort of.

Did he have sodium citrate?

Then did he have to, did he have like a big jar of chemicals?

It was like one of the things.

It was actually nacho cheese, as we would know it today, like the real, the stuff you can kind of squirt onto the top of it didn't exist then.

That existed a bit later.

I believe he did get a promotion to head chef or something off the back of it interesting i didn't know if that was a promotion i thought they were just on different career streams oh like i would have thought major d then goes to hotel manager okay well he just changed career basically off the back of the major and because he had this moment of it just had this moment of glory that's fine 100 agree

sorry i just agree with you andy i just had i hadn't put that together and now i think about having worked in hotels for lots of my life that absolutely isn't a promotion at all

it's very much a sidestep It's a pivot, yeah.

And then he eventually left.

He opened up his own restaurant, which he called Nachos Restaurant.

Though I feel like he missed a trick.

I feel like he should have called it

Let Them Eat Nachos.

That's my title, because his wife was called Marie Antoinette.

And that just

would have been funny.

But you would have had to have big brackets.

The owner's wife is called Mary Antoinette.

It's a great story for when you're sitting down saying, Why'd you call it that?

Another thing from Mexico, or another food from Mexico, rather, Caesar salad.

Oh,

invented in Tijuana in the 1920s.

In fact, not only in the 1920s, in 1924, because they've just had the 100th birthday of the Caesar salad.

A chef called Caesar invented it, which is why it's called Caesar salad.

It's actually got nothing to do with it.

Oh, my God.

Julius Caesar.

I didn't know that.

No.

That feels like the kind of thing you learn in Kiwan your first day.

I'm so embarrassed.

This is actually a suspiciously similar origin story to the nacho thing.

He had a big crowd in the kitchen at his restaurant, but he only had some lettuce and crostini and a dressing.

Yeah.

But it makes it seem like.

Wait a minute.

Was it a Caesar salad dressing?

Because it feels like that's really part of the invention.

Yeah, yeah.

It's like, yeah, but who invented God?

You know, there's another surprising one.

Where was the burrito invented?

Oh,

like Nantwich or something.

During the Pina Colada Festival.

There was a big rush of the Pina Colada Festival.

Someone said, we need something to mop up all this pina colada.

And the chef only had

some pulled pork.

Got it in wine?

Burrito.

So okay, well, for me, Mexico, because it means little dodkey and Spanish, burrito.

Absolutely.

I've only got a very silly answer here.

So, yeah.

North Korea.

This, surprisingly, it was invented in 2011.

This is one of the weird ass claims that Kim Jong-il invented the burrito that was released by the local news sources of North Korea, who said that its popularity has been booming ever since 2011 and his invention of it.

But it's one one of those false memory things where you think you had them in your childhood, but actually, who saw a burrito before 2011?

Exactly.

I never did.

No one.

I think it's no one.

They actually have in their real history, or sorry, the alternative Western history, they did tend to be eaten in Mexico.

And then there was this massive program called the Braqueros program in the 40s and 50s, where the U.S.

was short on workers and there were loads of Mexicans who wanted to come to America.

So they offered them loads of work permits.

And Americans thought a good way to feed these laborers who, of course, they were paying lower wages than they would pay Americans, is to give them these burritos, which we know they're into.

So they gave them all burritos every day, two burritos a day.

But all the immigrants came from central Mexico where actually no one ate burritos and they hated them.

And it was part of the reason for huge resentment was the fact they were being force-fed these.

Wow.

And I don't think they were the great burritos.

They were like a bit of wrap and some beans, no sauce.

Before all of this, of course, we had the Aztec and the Maya and the pre-Columbian Americans and they all let maize

a lot of their thing is to do with maize and like tortillas are all made of maize so it's it's carried on but the interesting thing about that is if you just eat maize

it's not very good for you I mean it's fine but it's it's not going to give you much of what you need to stay alive but they came up with a thing called nixtamalization basically you soak the grains of maize and then you cook them over wood ashes and then there's like an invisible outer outer coating of the maize and that gets removed and then it's much easier to grind much easier to cook and it enhances the amount of protein in the maize

and it's so much better that you can basically look at whenever this was invented by looking at old fires and where the maize has been cooked you can look at it and you can see all these meso-american civilizations growing when each area kind of works out how to nixtimalize

yeah it's incredible and when the europeans went over and brought maize back there's lots of areas that kind of started eating maize in the old world, but they still got quite malnourished because none of them knew how to nixtimalize things.

Really?

It's crazy.

I'd never even heard that word before this week.

And they also have that thing where they eat the fungus that grows on maize in Mexico, don't they?

Which actually looks kind of delicious and they have it corn smut.

No, have you had it?

No, I hate funguses.

I'm sorry, that's why you're not.

Of all the funguses that I'm ever going to try, maybe a black truffle, but a piece of corn smut?

Probably not.

It's diseased and it looks like a sort of black lump of mold.

And there was quite a fun story in 2014 where there was a farmer called Nat Bradform and he was asked to grow some corn for a chef, quite a famous chef called Sean Brock, who's a big deal in America.

And he wanted this corn to be grown for his handmade tortillas.

And poor Nat woke up one day, went out into his fields, and overnight, the whole thing destroyed by fungus.

Corn smut everywhere.

Smut everywhere.

So he called the chef, you know, in tears, I'm so sorry, I've destroyed your restaurant and obviously sean being a chef and knowing the ways of the mexicans was absolutely delighted because like you've got you've got a delicacy there yeah you've just accidentally grown overnight this fantastic delicacy that i'll incorporate into my mexican restaurant food call smart pizzas all round call smart pizzas there you go

yeah um do you guys know taco bell you must know taco bell massive american chain i don't think i've ever been to one okay do we have them over here oh yeah oh do we well there's one within walking distance of my house yeah they're here they're not massive here but in america they're very very big and globally they have places all over the world um one place they don't have is mexico and they've tried twice the first time they went in they sort of went all out just saying this is a fast food version of what you guys have here so have it they said no it doesn't make sense second time they went in which was years later they tried to push it as not mexican food but american food while still having the menu that they have and they even advertised it by saying it's not mexican it's just something else.

I think that's a much better strategy.

Because, yeah, Mexicans would deny it was Mexican at all.

Americans deny it's American.

And tacos weren't hot.

It's insulting either way.

It's insulting if you say this is your cuisine.

It's insulting if you say this is our cuisine.

They don't have any taco bells in North Korea either.

It's for the same reason.

Yeah.

They invented it.

Exactly.

Did you hear of Diana Kennedy?

No.

She was very cool.

She's one of the people who has contributed to saving, or not saving, but preserving huge amounts of the diversity of Mexican Mexican food.

Because obviously, it's a huge country, it's got hundreds of different cuisines in it.

And she spent 60 years driving around the country, doing apprenticeships in bakeries, like going to individual villages and saying, What do you eat?

Let me learn how to make it.

I wanted to, that's cool.

I wanted to sort of make it myself.

And she was awarded not only, I think she might be the only person ever to have been awarded an MBE for services to Mexican-British relations, but also the Order of the Aztec Eagle, which is Mexico's highest honor.

Okay.

So much cooler, isn't it?

We need to rename on it.

So much cooler.

Yeah.

And she was called the Indiana Jones of Food.

She sounds great.

Yeah.

Which bit of Indiana Jones' career is it?

His academic side where he's always as a professor or out

fighting Nazis.

She's out like she's gone into the temple.

There's a rare kind of burrito on the stand.

Okay.

And she swaps it over for some tamales she's holding in her other hand.

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Okay, it is time for fact number two, and that is Anna.

My fact this week is that white noise was named because the pattern of its waves resembles white light, and pink noise was named because it resembles pink light.

Brown noise was named after someone called Robert Brown.

I've never heard of pink or brown noise.

No.

And I was quite unclear what white noise is, actually, before looking this up.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, there we go.

Let's get into it.

So, white noise, first of all, is the most common one that people will know because it's this.

That's it.

And people often use it to make their children go to sleep.

They do.

And pink noise is more like.

And is brown noise the one that makes you poo?

And brown noise is the one that makes you shake some of you.

No, it isn't.

It's not.

No.

So white noise is basically a noise that contains all the different frequencies within human hearing to the same extent.

So we can hear between 20 hertz and 20,000 hertz.

And if you take all of those frequencies, 20, 21, 22, etc., and then you play them all with exactly the same amount of energy, that's white noise.

Confusingly, white noise sounds horrible, I think.

And I don't understand people who find it relaxing because higher pitches sound louder to us.

Pink noise is where there's more energy in the lower pitches.

It's a bit bassier.

Now, listening to pink noise, I still think it sounds, it's still quite jarring, isn't it?

I would say.

Pink noise?

Well, you know, like a lot of people, just to give the opposite side of the argument, think that it sounds like the waves washing over you.

I would say brown noise sounds like waves.

I think pink noise, but you're right.

A lot of people do write that.

But brown noise is the hip new noise, right?

Brown noise is what everyone is now listening to on YouTube hours at a time as they go to sleep.

It's headlining Glastonbury this year, guys.

Let's get with it, all right?

And that's that's low brown noise.

So brown noise is where you're putting it is putting a lot more energy into those lower frequencies.

So it sounds bassy.

And I think if you listen to that, it sounds like trees or sounded a bit like a nice ocean of waves to me.

Can we explain why it's good for sleeping?

Because I think that's important too.

And I think I think the reasoning is it increases your what they call arousal threshold.

Steady on.

It's that normally if you're asleep and it's completely silent around you and then a car alarm goes off.

you wake up, right?

Yeah.

Because there's a big difference between the background, nothing, and then the car alarm.

But if there's a background

playing constantly, you're already kind of higher on the sonic mountain, like all boats have been lifted.

And then, so that spike of the car alarm, which is like the top of the mountain, it pokes up less high above the general background that you're listening to, and therefore there's less of a chance.

And it doesn't matter what frequency the car alarm is, because all the frequencies are being fired at you anyway.

Right.

So it's bound to be covered by one of them.

Right.

Exactly.

So then you wake up in the morning, your car's been stolen again.

At least you had a good night.

Exactly.

But apparently, it also, for a lot of people, stops the voices in their own head so people going to sleep going oh did i lock the car did i lock the car didn't i um

it stops all those questions from your head and just lets you fall asleep is it and and um more so for adhp people as you'd expect because if you've got adhd then distractions in your mind and out of them are more distracting and it sort of helps drown them out um i should probably say how these related to colours very quickly okay won't go into it to a boring extent but um just because white noise is named after white light so that's white light is like all the frequencies of light all mixed together equally.

Pink light is what the brain interprets as a combination of red and blue light, but there's actually a bit less blue.

So in the same way, it's a bit heavier on the lower frequencies because red is like a bit lower.

And then Brown,

Brown Robert Brown, was a Scottish botanist.

And it's so random that his main legacy to the world is naming this kind of noise.

Well, it's not his main legacy.

He was an amazing botanist and his name is put to many animals and geographical locations.

That's true.

It's only become his main legacy since Brown noise became the new trendy.

I must have, like, before we did any of this stuff, I'd only heard of him because of Brownian motion.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, that's fair enough.

But he's within the world of botany, his name is

there.

He's of plants and grasses and things.

And Brownian motion is the way particular molecules...

If you look at them under a microscope, he observed they looked like they were dancing, these pollen grains that he was looking at.

And they're not alive.

How can they be dancing?

Basically, it's to do with the heat of individual molecules.

Yeah, the molecules are bouncing off things, moving things around in a random way.

And this noise is more random than the others.

Yes, exactly.

Yeah, the way it looks.

And in fact, it was Einstein himself, Good Lord Einstein, his first influential paper who took Brownian motion, which basically Robert Brown, and he had a habit of doing this, just looked at it, went, oh, that's happening.

And then went back to his plants.

And Einstein went, let's explain that.

And it was essential to finding out that atoms and molecules are the smaller particles of matter, because it was like, how else could these pollen bits be moving?

Except if tinier bits are moving inside them.

Well, he was a busy man.

He collected 2,000 new species in Australia alone.

Yeah, but he was a piece of piss in those days.

Like, no one else had done it.

So you just wander around.

You go, anyone's seen that flower before?

Throw it a brick.

Yeah.

Easy.

Here's a rare flower.

He was kind of there to help prove whether or not Australia was a group of islands, wasn't it?

So it was known as New Holland at the time.

And so the idea was that he was going to go through the interior to try and work out if this suddenly broke up.

And

it's a big task.

Well, you wouldn't know.

Just prove that this 4,000-mile-wide thing is not an island, please.

Yeah.

Because it gets quite warm in the middle, doesn't it?

It does get a bit barren.

You know what's named after?

To prove it's an island, you only have to go around the outside.

You don't need to go in the middle.

Andy, organising a trek through the centre.

Wait, what are you saying?

To prove something is an island, all you have to do is go around the edge of it.

No, because it could be like an atoll.

You know, it could be.

There could be islands within it.

Yeah, exactly.

I mean, it could be fully encircled, but even then, it's a lake inside, isn't it?

Still think it needs studying.

Sure.

On this expedition, they took on two Aboriginals, Bungaree and Nanburi.

They took them on board to help them communicate with the local tribes, and they were essential to the success of the trip, basically, because every time they stopped on the coast, they had to send, it was usually Bungaree, I think, on shore to say these guys are legit, they're normal, and usually didn't speak the language of the different tribe, but at least knew the.

Is this bit still the same island or have we gone onto a different island?

They knew knew the general habits but usually the protocol was that you should remove your clothes so every time they parked on the coast they'd be like right bunga take your clothes off go ashore please so he had to strip down naked every time he went to

oh my god um yeah actually of course australia isn't one island uh and he's so fine thank you and brown was the first person from europe to explore tasmania Right.

And also for Andy, there is Tetradontium brownianum, which is a species of moss

called Brown's four-tooth moss, and it's named after him.

He found it in a place called Roslyn near Edinburgh in the 18th century.

And the place where he found it, you can still see this moss growing today.

That's nice.

That is very nice.

That's very cool.

The Brownian motion thing, by the way.

So that was a discovery that he made at the time through a microscope that he had.

And that was called into question many, many years later because they thought there's no way that the microscope would have been able to prove this.

And so, there was a big thing where they took out the original microscopes and they had to re-observe what he said he had observed in order to prove it.

Well, they used his old microscopes, they used his exact microscopes.

I think it's a weird thing to doubt, isn't it?

Australia.

The interesting thing is, he thought that pollen was moving by themselves, and this was, you know, how sperms move around to reproduce.

That's what the pollen was doing.

Like, this was the force of life that basically existed in all things, and it existed in the pollen and that's why basically that was his thought.

It's quite a big theory.

This was in the 1820s and it was such a big deal in the world that it was mentioned in Middlemarch, George Elliott.

Friend the podcast, George Elliott's middlemarch.

I'm trying to remember that bit.

I did read Middlemarch a few years ago.

It's not like a major plot point, I was like, no, it is.

Dr.

Lydgate.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Willie Lydgate be the scientific.

He's trying to buy a vase.

from a guy called Mr.

Fairbrother.

Oh, yeah.

And Mr.

Fairbrother says, you are eyeing that glass vase again.

Do you want to make an exchange?

I have some sea mice, fine specimens and spirits, and I will throw in Robert Brown's new thing, microscopic observations in the pollen of plants, if you don't happen to have it already.

I mean, that sounds like subtle advertising, doesn't it?

That sounds...

Oh, yeah.

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So

this will be quite a weird fact for a lot of people to listen to, because I think a lot of people listening are trying to get to sleep right now.

Wake up!

Have you checked the car?

Um, there are dozens of sleep podcasts, I mean, specific sleep podcasts, you know, not just ours, which is just boring.

But I mean,

supposedly, I don't know if this is like big podcasts who've sponsored this research, but 46% of people sometimes will listen to something as they go to sleep, and 28% do it regularly.

Yeah,

there's a thing they do on radio called comfort noise, which is it's got a slightly different motive, but it's to also keep you at ease when radio goes silent so for example if there's like a minute silence because if there's a minute silence and sil and the radio goes completely silent you start going wait has the radio station just turned off if it's complete silence that's supposedly quite but the only time there's ever a minute silent on the radio is when they say we're gonna have a minute silence now to remember the dead so you never then go never it's what the hell's happening

well it's interesting they do it for a few reasons so one they do think it gives a comfort to people who think it's it's suddenly turned off.

So, they'll play bird noise or they'll play London traffic in the background.

So, it keeps it going.

There are actually faces.

Beep, beep, beep.

I'm walking here.

I'm trying to drive down Whitehall.

Where's this huge crowd of people standing around in silence?

Beep, beep.

How come we've never heard.

So, when they play the minute of silence on the radio, that's what

you never.

No, I have heard a bit of bird song, actually.

I think that that is for me.

The other reason for it is because there's protocols in place as part of a major system for all radio which is when absolute silence is there a song will kick in yeah so you don't want a minute silence for the queen and suddenly ymca comes on halfway through right so that's another part of it yeah that's a good point um this is not to do with this really but um the masters golf is a probably happening when people are listening to this or it's just happened and um they play in bird noises and actually a lot of golf if you watch golf on tv they play in bird noises oh do they and i was listening to tom scott's podcast and they said that there was a time when um they played in the wrong bird noise for wherever it was in the world they were playing this golf tournament and a load of people wrote in saying uh you don't get the great crested grebe in south korea

Okay, it is time for fact number three, and that is Andy.

My fact is, when you hover over a link on the computer and the mouse icon turns into a little hand, that icon dates back to the 11th century.

They waited so long before inventing the rest of the computer, didn't they?

You know, you know, it's sort of, it looks like a white gloved hand, certainly on my computer, anyway.

It's mostly on Macs, you get it, or do you get it on all of them?

It's on quite a few.

You can get it on all, didn't you?

Yeah, I don't know.

So on my computer, it's a little, it's got a pointing finger and it's got a white glove on and it's got three lines on the glove.

It looks like a butler's glove.

Like a snooker referee.

Oh, a snooker referee, exactly.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And those are our two reference points

james grew up watching a lot of snooker i grew up with stuff

anyone wants to know the difference between me and Andy I say this quite often that's it for me it's Mickey Mouse's glove and there's Dan

yeah um so this is a thing it's based on a thing called the manicule which um

dates back to the doomsday book.

It's a way of medieval scholars in particular to say hey look at this bit of the text and it's just a pair of fingers that you draw or sometimes you draw a whole hand but you would the common element was always like a pointing finger saying Hey, look at this bit.

It's like a highlighter.

It's exactly like a highlighter without having to draw along the whole because often the manuscripts are, you know, well, because they didn't have highlighters, basically.

It's a way of marking passages.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Or an arrow.

I mean, it's so much effort to go to, isn't it?

It's because when you look at them, they're so beautiful.

And I guess it's just a testament to that.

Again, in the olden days, they didn't have Netflix and stuff.

So they clearly spent so long on these stunning drawings.

Sometimes they'd be like a beautiful octopus pointing its various limbs at various bits of text.

There was another dragon, which instead of a head, had a hand for a head pointing.

There was a whole big Greek god kind of gesturing at something.

And these are often just people who are reading the text as well.

They're not

usually monks.

Yeah.

Often monks, but just literate people.

I think often anyone who had the text was a reader, like a rich person.

It's such an interesting evolution because you have the doomsday book where it's the monks who are reading it putting it in the margins, right?

So they're going, here's a bit you as the next reader should look out for specifically.

Then by the time we get to the 15th century, the printers themselves are putting the fingers in to say, we think you should look specifically at this bit.

And then it kind of to where we are today evolves into how authors will now put footnotes in their own pages now, because they're now saying, actually, this is super interesting and I want to tell you more about it.

I'm going to take up the page.

It's not even about.

the publisher or the reader putting it anymore.

But yeah, they look absolutely lovely.

They're stunning.

And they're just a form of marginalia, really, aren't they?

Yeah, a marginalia is just anything that's not part of the book that was scribbled by someone else in the margins, right?

Yeah.

And then the modern one, certainly the one in the Mac, was invented by someone called Susan Kerr.

And she has done lots of different icons for various computers, not just Macs, also Windows stuff.

So she came up with the command key on Apple keyboards.

Wow.

Which is a biggie.

It's like, what does it look like?

It's a square with circles on each corner, isn't it?

Yeah.

It's like a little infinity knot.

Infinity knot, yeah.

She got it from some road signs in Scandinavia.

They used it for landmarks.

And she just thought, that looks good, so I'll use that.

And she also designed the card deck for Windows Solitaire game.

That's a big deal, isn't it?

She's had a huge influence on my childhood.

Yeah, she's amazing.

And the road sign thing is very interesting because that's exactly what she said each of the symbols needed to be.

They needed to be as clear as a road sign.

She had zero experience in this field.

And so as part of the interview, she went to a library and she took out a bunch of books that were all about graphic design and just brought them and put them on the table with her so it looked like she sort of was super keen they were like oh look at all those books she must she came she came into the interview room did she just sort of close the last book in the pile as she got to the end of the last page oh okay yeah sorry what what's the page

a lot of her designs no you wouldn't see because it was very they're quite 80s but one that stuck around is the thing that i never know what it is that little watch so you know sometimes and I think, again, sorry, we're very spoiled office, so we all use Macs.

But you've got the mouse, you've got the hand, you sometimes get the little timer thing.

And, you know, sometimes you get a little watch that comes up.

Yeah.

And it just basically means something's fucked up.

Oh, I've never seen that.

I always thought it was a computer saying, I'm working it out.

Give me.

Give me time before it's going to be.

Oh, maybe it is saying that.

Yes, I think perhaps it's that.

Yeah.

Well, I assume.

But it's very annoying anyway, so I'm not a huge fan of her.

It still uses the floppy disk symbol for when you're saving something.

Oh, yeah.

And that's no, no one using a computer who was born in the 2000s will have any idea really what a floppy disk is in the same way that they don't, yeah, except they're all reading all the lists that say, Oh, why are we still using this old fucking floppy disk?

You can still buy floppy disks, by the way, yeah, yeah.

Um, and they're often used by like DIY media RT kind of people.

If you create an amazing bit of media and you want it to be really sort of super awesome, you might just put it on floppy disk and everyone will think it's even better.

Wow, um, but you can buy them.

There's not that many around, but there's a few specialist places, and they cost about $1 per megabyte of data.

Okay, that's a lot.

It is, because the average cost of memory right now is one cent per gigabyte.

So if you buy a floppy disk for your, to save something, it's the equivalent of buying a pint of milk with a one kilogram bar of gold.

Cool.

Which is what I do.

But I'm not ripped on the common man.

This pointy thing, just one last thing on the manicule.

Oh, yeah.

I just like the names of it.

So it was called the indicationum or the index, which is from the Latin for to point, and that's where index finger.

Index finger comes from, yeah.

But it was also known as a mutton fist or a bishop's fist, and I don't know why.

Yeah, that's interesting.

I was actually reading as part of my research for this the descriptions of the perfect hand because you know it's a drawing of a hand and looking at how people have drawn hands and it included

mutton hands, but as a non-desirable thing.

This was this is in the 18th century.

A guy wrote a book book called Orthopedia and it was a guy called Nicholas Andrian.

It's where we get orthopedics from, is him, he invented it and it actually means a correct or straight child, hence the pedia, because it was a book of how to correct deformities in children.

And I read his whole chapter on what makes the perfect hand.

And he indeed said your hands should not look like shoulders of mutton.

That's fair enough.

Well, his shoulder of mutton thing was just a hand that was a bit too square.

And I am looking at your hand now, James.

And he said, although although they're useful for catching things they're the worst type of shape.

Are you joking?

I've got beautiful hands.

Yeah don't listen James you've got lovely piano players hands.

Can I ask you?

Are you good at catching things?

You had to say that didn't you?

You had to make clear.

Syphilis on a Rhea.

Can I check if you guys have these proportions?

Okay.

So I was actually quite impressed with mine when I went through his list.

So your finger should be a bit round above and flat below.

Your index tip, the tip of your index finger, should end at the root of the middle fingernail.

If you're holding your hand up straight in front of you with your fingers together, tip of your index fingernail should line up with the root of your middle fingernail.

Everyone got that?

Close enough, yeah.

Oh, um, no, I'm a bit low.

Yeah, a bit low, I think.

Yeah, that's classic.

And he says bit low is bad.

In one respect, does it mean I'm a bad podcaster?

Or does it mean I'm an evil person hearing mutter?

I'm afraid it means just you've got

three weeks.

It has.

The ring finger needs to reach the middle nail of your middle finger.

Oh my God, I'm nowhere near that.

James,

this guy would have really had a field day with your hands actually.

They're all over the place, aren't they?

We're making it sound like James is a Simpsons character.

I've only got four fingers.

I've got five because I'm God.

Can I just very quickly speak about highlighters?

Oh, yeah.

So

these little hands are pointing to a thing that today we would just get a yellow felt tip and colour colour it in and people will be able to see it those things the fluorescent highlighters They were invented by accident in 1963

By a guy called Francis J.

Hon who was trying to make a new kind of marker for children and while he was experimenting he got this yellow ink and he put it on and he realized that it basically could still see the text in between it and he thought oh I'll do that

And you know stabilo boss highlighters.

I feel like they're the biggie.

They're the biggie.

They're kind of like square in shape, shape, aren't they?

Uh, and they've got a very flat tip.

Yep.

And that flat tip was actually invented by accident.

It was so

annoying.

One day, some people at Stevilo, in fact, it was Schwan Stabilo who was in charge of Stabilo Boss.

He and his group were doing some presentation of this thing and it wasn't really working properly.

And they slammed it onto the desk and it made it flat at the bottom.

They went, oh, look, this works amazingly.

That's according to their official website.

I don't believe it.

it's very

one more thing on that please in 1996 a prisoner in the uk decided that he would try to get taken out of prison and put into hospital by saying that he had jaundice by colouring his entire body in with a yellow stabilo boss highlighter And the prison spokesman said he carefully painted all of his body, even his private bits, with a yellow highlighter pen.

The problem was that he had made such a good job of it that he would probably have died if his skin was really that colour.

Wow.

Who did his back?

Someone else is involved.

Oh, yeah.

What are cellmates for, Anna, if not helping you out?

Right.

Can I tell you about a really silly drawing things controversy?

Okay, this is great.

Let's go back to 1927, right?

Switzerland.

There's a geologist called Albert Heim.

Okay.

who at this point is about 70 years old, very eminent Swiss geologist.

And he got in a huge row with the Swiss federal office of topography over the way maps were drawn of switzerland right okay so you know those relief maps which show altitude uh you know those kind of they they look like they've got the mountains on they look like if you touch them they'd be all lumpy and bumpy yeah i like those ones yeah beautifully drawn and they they often look like there's light and shade on them right

albert hein's problem was that in switzerland's two official map series they were shaded as if the sunlight comes from the northwest.

And he said, this cannot stand.

There's no way the sunlight's coming from the northwest and hitting Switzerland, right?

He said this was a lie that flew in the face of nature.

What a hero.

He's very huge, Age.

I bet he had good fingers.

And he, I read this whole article about the northwest illumination problem, which was an established thing from the Middle Ages onwards.

It was just the way people drew.

And there are loads of theories as to why maybe it's because cartographers drew from left to right.

So you want to shade so that you're right-handed because you're right-handed, basically.

So, even in medieval maps, the light is falling from left to right, or cartographers draw with the right-hand, and so the drawing doesn't cast a shadow so they can see what they're doing.

Basically, and wait, just to double-check, the truth is that it would only ever be coming from the south if we're in the northern hemisphere.

Because if it gets to what either it's going above you, or well, the sun

generally you don't get as much light coming from the northwest.

Cool.

So, what happened next?

Any guesses?

Oh, um, they he was murdered.

They turned it into a map of Australia, where it would have made sense.

They turned all of the maps upside down and traced them from the back so that now they were on the right way rather than the body.

Lovely, lovely.

Lovely.

No, he didn't win.

This still comes from the northwest, so he has no patience at all.

That's right.

Is that how we could tell from history who was a left-hander versus right-hander if we looked at maps and the way the shadow falls?

Nice idea.

I don't know.

I think everyone was a right-hander in fairness.

Really?

I think maybe they weren't as tolerant.

Drawn by the right-handers.

That's so interesting.

Hey, what is the most famous drawing of hands in the world?

And now, think of that.

Escher, where he draws his own hands.

I'm thinking Michael Angelo's chapel.

Sistine chapel.

So let's say that's number one.

What's number two?

Okay.

What about the Mona Lisa?

She has her hands one over the other, doesn't she?

Yeah, that's true.

That is a good one.

It's not the main bit of the Mona Lisa, though.

I've got Jura's hands, the artist jura the praying hands which are a brecht jura yeah yeah oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that is famous those are very famous hands clothes and prayer yeah and people have them on their walls globally if you're religious they're a very important piece of art they're from the 1500s and for many many years it was thought that it was a sketch drawing that was then transferred onto a big altered piece that jura did as part of the commission so everyone thought that this is just a quick sketch but it's become this massive famous thing there's a new theory which is being put forward by one of the curators of a major museum that he used it effectively as like a business card.

So whenever people came and he said, you should get me as an artist, he would pull it out of his desk and say, this is the kind of stuff that I'm capable of doing.

You can draw hands.

Yeah, I can draw hands.

Yeah, that was famous, wasn't it?

In the Renaissance.

It was like, no one could draw it.

It's like AI as well.

Which I not question now that we've seen all these bloody doodles going back to medieval times of people drawing, as far as I'm concerned, brilliant hands all over manuscripts.

These Renaissance artists who couldn't hack it.

Those are cartoons of hands, though.

You know, you want to,

like, really good hands are really hard to do.

And it's a nightmare for portrait artists who have to get their subjects to do everything.

You know, can you just stick them in your pockets?

You think it's possible that they could do hands perfectly, but everyone in the Renaissance had mankey fingers like I do.

That'll be it.

Lot of mutton here.

Mutton going around.

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Okay, it's time for our final fact of the show, and that is my fact.

My fact this week is that there was a football match in germany last year where one team was made up entirely of players called kurtanovich brilliant

so confusing for anyone playing them in fact apparently a lot of teams often think kurtanovich is the sponsor of the team of the jersey i read that but then they are actually sponsored by kurtanovich some of the players as well

what is kurtanovich kurtanovich is a surname okay okay a lot of these guys who play for the team have their own company so that they put that on

so this is a bottom-of-the-league German football team

who play in the town of Florsheim.

And this is a tiny town, 20,000 population.

They have a team that was put together by a guy who's called Harris Kutanovich.

And he thought, who can I get to be reliable, to come up to practice, to show up?

Why not my family?

Why not my uncles?

Why not my second cousin?

cousins.

A few buddies came along.

But for one match at least, when you walked onto the pitch, you were playing one name, Katanovich.

It's like the opposite of nepotism.

There should be a word for when you just get roped into a career that you didn't really want because

you've guilted.

They all speak Bosnian on the pitch as well, because they're all from this area of the border between Montenegro and Serbia and Bosnia.

So, yeah, that's where they're from originally.

And this team, they're actually really successful as well because,

well, I mean, relatively.

They're in the 11th division in Germany, but they were in the 13th division, and they got moved up to divisions because their first, they were the second team, and their first team were doing really badly, so they swapped them around.

Right.

Because they also have a few players who aren't Katanoviches, but who are Serbian and Montenegrin, who have played in higher leagues.

So they're kind of better than they should be.

How do those guys feel about being shackled to the floor of the leagues by the millions of Katanoviches who they have to turn up with every week?

I think the truth is that on a normal week, they probably have about four or or five Kurtanoviches playing for them, right?

But occasionally, they bring out a full.

I hope this is being filmed.

It sounds like welcome to Wrexham.

If they're making their way up the leagues, yeah, imagine that's a really good point.

Yeah, that's even more wholesome, isn't it?

Than um,

should we buy them like Ryan Reynolds?

Should we be the Ryan Reynolds of 11th Division German football?

I think we definitely could get on their jersey, we could be the sponsors, we'd have to change our name to Kurtanovich as well.

I think it's worth it.

Um, do you know what the German football team is?

Uh, no, I don't actually Manschaft.

Oh, great stuff.

Just every time I see it, whenever there's a World Cup on, it makes me laugh.

But you get this every now and then with families playing football.

The Gjohnsons famously.

So Ida Good Johnson, who used to play for Bolton, he's Icelandic.

And his son Arnor was also playing for Iceland.

And there was one game where Ida was playing and he got taken off and his son came on instead of him as like a substitution.

They were in the same squad, but and they were on the same pitch for like a micro-millisecond just before they passed over.

And then, yeah, that's very good, James.

As a golf fan, do you know the work and recent playing of Jeong-un-Lee 6?

This is going to be a Kim Jong-un thing, isn't it?

No, no, no.

This is

she was a U.S.

woman's open champion.

She was ranked, I think, at her highest at seventh in the world.

Is she Korean?

Yeah, she is.

And she's called Jeong-un Lee 6 because there have been five other Jiang Un Lee's.

And in order for them all to differentiate themselves, they've attached a number to the end of their name.

Oh, really?

Because that would happen in a normal family.

Like if Andy's father and grandfather were all called Andy Murray, you would be Andy Murray III.

Yes, right?

Yes.

But these are not family members.

It all happen to just be players with the same name.

So yeah, so she officially goes by.

Lee 6.

So Lee and then the number 6 right after her surname.

And then you've got 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 who are all golfers.

So it's quite funny when you see anything written about her.

That's

like she's, it looks like you're reading something about royalty.

Grady.

Brady Fiegel.

Have you heard of him?

No.

Brady Field's a minor league baseball pitcher and he's six foot four.

He's got glasses where he's got to sort of the

rim of the glasses sit over the top, but allow for the lens itself not to be covered in a rim, if you know what I mean.

So

frameless at the bottom.

Frameless at the bottom is a quicker way of saying that.

Under boob glasses.

Yeah.

That's actually your way of saying it.

Under boob glasses.

He's got red hair.

And

I'm giving you all this.

I'm six foot four under boob glasses, red hair.

Is this a police lineup?

Now, Drawer, did he take your car?

I was listening to white noise in bed.

You heard smash of his baseball bat going through your car window.

And all you saw as he went away was the shock of orange hair and him holding up his under boob glasses, going, see you later, sucker.

so um he had an elbow problem that needed surgery so he had that done and then six months later the doctor who performed the elbow surgery is told your patient bradley fiegel is ready for his surgery and he said i did this six months ago and so the brad it turns out there are two bradley fiegels both who wear under boob glasses who are six foot four with red hair who look exactly the same both car thieves

both have the same name and both had to have the exact same surgery from the exact same doctor for the bit of the elbow.

And now they're aware of each other.

That's how they became aware of each other.

And they did a DNA test, didn't they, recently

to see if they were actually related.

No.

I mean, to get the media to shut the hell up about these two Bradley Fiegels.

No.

It turned out they're not related at all, but they do both have ancestors from Germany.

According to one of these fake, you know, 23andMe things.

Well, which you would have known from their surname Fiegel, wouldn't you?

Right, right, right.

There was a charity football game in Bungie in 2012 where 70 people played Bungie.

Bungie was Bungie, not the naked guy from 2000, the Aboriginal from Brown's Mission.

We shortened him, we nicknamed him Bungie because we're mates, but he was called Bungaree.

Oh, right.

Like Dungerey.

And this is Bungie, which I think is.

It's unusual to have that word twice in one episode.

It's like Bart of Meinholm Syndrome, isn't it?

You'll see Bungies everywhere now.

There was a charity game in Bungie in Suffolk in 2012 where 70 people with the same name played.

And they were all called Bungie.

They They should have raised money by going bungee jumping.

What were they thinking?

Nice.

That's a big game.

How do you manage to get 70 people?

Because it was all the officials as well, all the mascots, the match doctor, and also quite a lot of people who went to see the match were called bungee.

They were all called but they were all called bungee.

Yeah, and it was all complete coincidence.

I didn't know there were that many bungees knocking about.

I'm very surprised.

There's 455 according to the census at the time.

And with 70 of those, that's close to 15% of all the UK bungies that showed up to this one spot.

Although it wasn't all UK, there was one who came from Australia who was then sent off for swearing, which is brilliant, brilliant

for a charity game.

And it was, um, they'd advertise for bungees, yeah, which is why you wouldn't.

In case you hadn't figured that out when you were listening to this, it used to be really common to give uh kids their same names in the UK, uh, and in Scotland, it was the case until the 19th century that it was relatively common, especially in the island of Skye and in other Western Isles.

There was a survey done of people who lived in the 19th century there and there were 462 households that had two sons that shared a name.

Really?

And 232 where two daughters shared a name.

So there's quite a lot of it and it was mostly in this area and they think what happened was basically they had real rules for naming your kids.

The first son will be named after his father's father, second son named after his mother's father, third son named after the father.

First daughter named after the mother's mother.

And what happens with that is eventually the number of names just gets lower and lower and lower because, like, from one generation, that's fine, but then the next generation, suddenly, everyone's called Mary, yeah, and then four generations, everyone's called John, and that's what happens.

And so, that really happened until quite a long time.

What self-inflicted confusion that must have wrought over the eyelid sky?

Well, yeah, it's funny, isn't it?

Because there's another thing where people name people call each other by the wrong names within families.

So, there's a thing, if you've got lots of siblings, you might have found that one of your parents will say, Blah, no, blah no anna or whatever have you heard have you heard that happens a lot yes christ yes right they run through the full gamut

do they ever throw in the dog's name as well absolutely yes okay yeah so there's a reason behind that which is tofo it's just unbelievable that you'd think your child would be called that

i've looked at you before ella and thought tofo

but there's a reason behind this which is really interesting which is that it's to do with how your brain stores names and basically in your brain you have two envelopes in which you keep all the names in one envelope, you keep

saying envelopes.

These are metaphorical envelopes, aren't they?

No, no, no.

No, they're like the computer icons.

They're not metaphorical, they're just small.

So, one of them, one envelope, is for really close acquaintances.

So, immediate family, you know, like really people who really matter to you.

The other for everyone else.

So, when you are trying, when you're trying to name someone, one of your children, obviously, someone who's from envelope number one, people are almost always taking the wrong name out of the right folder.

And that is why a parent, like your mum, will cycle through all of your siblings' names and the dog's name before they get to your name, because those names are all from the right folder.

It doesn't make sense.

They're the wrong names.

You know what?

I put the dog's name in just the drawer below.

I wouldn't have the dog in the same folder.

But maybe I'm a better parent.

Hey, just on Scottish names, we were talking about a Scottish person before, Robert Brown.

He was a Scottish botanist who lived in the 1800s.

So just for anyone who's listening, who's thinking, wait, Robert Brown, the botanist and bootmaker born in the 1800s?

No, not that one.

For anyone who's thinking, oh, Robert Brown, the Scottish botanist who also was the first person to use the word gadget in a book?

No, not that botanist.

For anyone who's thinking, Robert Brown, the Scottish botanist who was also the polar explorer from the 1800s?

No, not that one either.

Apparently, there are multiple amazing botanists called Robert Brown who all existed in the 1800s, who went and made major discoveries.

And that was a problem to the point

because Robert Brown the one who wrote Gadget for the first time ever had to call himself Robert Brown of Camster to differentiate himself when people confused him with the Robert Brown of Brown noise what did you say he called himself uh he called himself uh campster he was from I thought he said hamster for some reason

whenever he collected a new sample he'd stuff it into his cheeks

there's a group of people in Papua New Guinea called the Orochiva people and they have a brilliant system right So if you have the same name as someone else, as long as you're on good terms with them, you count each other as what's called a sasso, a namesake, and you are basically the same person in the eyes of that society.

Like you can shag their wives and no.

So it's really interesting.

If you're the younger Sasso,

you will consult the elder at every stage of your ritual life.

You don't have to ask them, what should I have for supper to myself?

But when you do your confirmation and stuff.

Exactly like that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And as the older one ages, the younger one has a responsibility to provide him with firewood and other provisions.

And if the older one dies without a will, then you have to sort out his affairs for him.

And your family groups, your kin groups, are kind of knitted together because it's understood that you and this other person are the same person.

What a burden.

And it's act as if I bumped into someone at the party called Anna Dushinsky, who was a tedious dunt, I'd then be stuck intertwined with this person, right?

She'd be stuck intertwined with someone who's very rude about a lot of other people all the time for no good reason.

So, you know, we all have across the barrel, Anna.

Right.

Okay, that is it.

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James.

My Instagram.

Oh, I'm also on Blue Sky.

Hey.

But I had to be Harkin James because someone else already had James Harkin.

You're kidding.

That's me.

I've got yours.

But if you want to get to us as a group, Anna, where they go?

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I have no Andy's trying to follow me on Blue Sky.

I have no followers.

I literally only went in because I wanted to read someone's Blue Sky.

Wow, he doesn't even have a profile picture.

This is big.

I'm following.

Follow

one follower.

Okay.

Everyone follow James and he'll feel sort of pressured to generate content.

What was I saying?

Oh, yeah.

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