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Hi everyone, welcome to this week's episode of No Such Things a Fish.

Andrew Hunter Murray is away this week, and so in his place, we have one of the QI elves.

It is Lydia Misen.

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She's one of our regular elves on the Y workshop, but also anyone deeply ingrained in UK geek culture will know her name.

Where is it from?

Yes, she was one of the winners of season 13 of Only Connect when she was in the team of the Escapologists a couple of years after we didn't win Only Connect.

I'm really sure you'll enjoy this show with Lydia.

She's very nice, very funny, and knows a lot of stuff.

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Hello, and welcome to another episode of No Such Thing as a Fish, a weekly podcast coming to you from the QI offices in Hoburn.

My name is Dan Schreiber.

I am sitting here with Anna Tashinsky, James Harkin, and Lydia Meisen.

And once again, we have gathered around the microphones with our four favorite facts from the last seven days.

And in no particular order, here we go.

Starting with fact number one, and that is James.

Okay, my fact fact this week is that golfer Brenda Keene took part in the 2001 Women's US Open while eight months pregnant and started contractions on one of her backswings.

The resulting daughter will become a professional golfer later this year.

So good.

Isn't that amazing?

Yeah, that is amazing.

How do you know she, how are the rules of golf?

I want to get into golf.

How do we know?

Can I just say, dear listener, we're not going to talk about golf this whole section.

Please stay with us.

It's okay.

That's a condition on which James has permitted and not their headline golfer.

We don't discuss golf.

If you really hate golf, maybe just press fast forward about 10 times and then we'll get onto the normal stuff.

How do you know someone's going to be a pro-golfer before they are a pro-golf?

So this is Rachel Keene and she has said in an interview that that's what's going to happen.

She's an amateur at the moment.

She does college golf.

She's one of the best.

And for quite a while, she's been saying she's going to become a professional.

But yeah, she spoke in golf week saying that she is going to become a professional this fall or this autumn for English people.

And this is a fact which I learned when watching the Netflix golf documentary series Full Swing.

There was an episode about English golfer Alex Fitzpatrick, and this was just like a throwaway line about his partner in that documentary.

PS Netflix, do feel free to commission anything that we pitched to you, Future.

We love you.

Can I ask when she had the contraction, was she mid-game and continued the game?

Yeah.

So it happened on the 11th T.

So the 11th of 18 holes.

She said, I could feel it coming, but I was too embarrassed to back out.

She followed through, hit the sh- She did follow through.

That's a golfing turn.

She did her golf follow through and then was doubled up in pain.

The whole round, she shot nine over par, which is not brilliant.

But actually, the real problem was she was really nervous because there was loads of TV coverage about it, loads of press about it, that she was pregnant and doing this.

And in actual fact, she had her worst holes at the start of the round.

And after the contractions on the 11th hole, she was level par for the rest of the round.

So her game improved after that.

Are we crediting her daughter with that?

You know, her daughter got started getting involved, was like, listen, I'm going to be a pro.

I think that might be right because she is amazing.

She's such a great golfer.

Yeah.

So Fenella had three planned C-sections, but we all must, you know, you three must remember the moment of the first contraction.

Yes.

What were you doing?

And do you think your child will become that thing?

Lilia.

Well, I was sleeping.

And if my daughter could start sleeping a little bit better than she currently is, that would be great.

That's amazing.

Yeah, I think I was as well.

Oh, no, I was having a cup of tea.

I was having a morning cup of tea in the garden.

So a professional tea plantation owner

is what I'm schooling my daughter to be.

We are watching the Super Bowl when my wife's

much cooler.

Here we go.

What?

No, that's great.

Yeah.

So my daughter's going to be a tight end for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Or a slouch who just watches TV at home.

So it turns out Brenda's daughter might have actually helped because during pregnancy, the fetus and the mother share cells.

And once the baby's born, they leave some of their DNA.

in the mother.

It's called phetomaternal microchimerism.

And as a result, for mothers who have sons, male DNA has been found in mothers up to 30 years after the birth.

And it also works that if the mother sustains organ damage while they're pregnant, the fetus can send cells, not consciously, obviously, but sends cells to repair the damaged organ.

So, maybe by sending golfing cells,

the golfing cells.

Have you identified yet the golfing cells?

They have identified the golf cells.

They're very round.

Right.

Little dimples in them.

Okay.

And just to finish up on their family, Rachel Keene's grandparents were also golfers on her mother's side.

Her grandfather Jack played for Venezuela in the first World Amateur Team Championships in St Andrews, and her grandmother Carmen was the captain of the Dominican team in the World Amateurs in 1986.

Really?

So it is definitely in the jeans.

Yeah.

Jeans not allowed on golf courses, just to say.

Are they not?

It's endlessly fascinating golf.

Okay, so if you are one of the people who was fast forwarding to not hear any golf, you can come back into the room right now.

I can't promise that.

I can't guarantee I won't ask again but then if you have absolutely no interest in pregnancy maybe fast forward another 15 minutes or so and then if you're not interested in Yetis probably another 15 minutes

probably a couple of years yeah people do do incredible things while pregnant something that I think is often played down is when people do stuff in first trimester pregnancy you get all the sympathy when you're massive and Personally, my experience is that's fine.

You know, I was bounding up steps carrying a bike.

But first trimester is living hell for a lot of women, I think.

With morning sicknesses.

With morning sickness, basically.

So, for instance, I was reading about someone who won the Mount Everest Marathon, and I didn't know this existed, actually.

Do you start at the top?

Because that's the one I would like to be.

Yeah, and then you sit on a sledge.

You don't even encompass the top, which seems a shame.

You start at base camp at 17,500 feet.

That's pretty high.

And you sort of run about.

And it was won in 2013 by Ang Dami Sherpa, Sherpa lady, who was 44 at the time and three months pregnant.

And she won the women's race.

And I think if you've got bad morning sickness, that's much harder than winning it at eight months pregnant.

Oh, yeah.

And you're so tired as well.

And you can't tell anybody.

So you just have to persist through 12 weeks pretending you're fine.

Yeah, everyone's just going, God, you've got crap at this.

You suck at Mount Everest marathons.

What's going on?

Anyway, well done her, Ang Dami Sherpa.

That's the point.

There's a lot of debate and anger over the years about about what happens when people get pregnant and how workplaces deal with them.

And opera has this quite a lot.

And there's an interesting thing with opera that for certain plays like Wagner plays, there's a lot of flying in Wagner plays.

So they don't feel safe.

Humans can't do that anyway.

But you're on, you know, the pulley systems and the wires.

And so they say you can't do that.

That's not a thing.

If you're a Valkyrie, you mean.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

But one of the major things as well is that your voice changes.

And I don't know if either of you two sing and then have noticed post

birth of your child.

I've never heard Ada sing, I don't think, in my entire life.

That's a real shame.

I sing a lot, but mostly in private, which I think is for the best.

That's right.

You said to me the other day you thought my voice had changed.

Oh,

you said I sounded husky.

You did sound husky, but I thought that was because you had a cold.

No, but it is because, yeah, it's just got it's got husky.

Well, you just sound smoking 30k.

But yeah, this is a genuine thing.

And the science is not fully fully understood at the moment, so they're looking into it.

But they say after childbirth, voices of opera singers often become enriched with warmth, creaminess, and depth of colour.

As I say, the science is not really strong on this at the moment.

Creaminess.

Creaminess.

But yeah, so there's a guy called Paul Quack.

Again, that's not a good.

You're joking.

You're joking.

I didn't notice that until now.

Dr.

Quack, an EMT specialist.

A snake aisle specialist.

He said that I've got to check this is not an April 1st illusion.

He said,

You're so good at that noise.

I feel like you've done it a disproportionate number of times in concert over the years, showing it off.

Yeah, he says they're affected by the hypervascular state of the body that it enters to in pregnancy.

It creates more blood vessels, it increases blood flow through the tissue, and as a result, it changes the voice.

So,

it definitely does seem to be true that voices get sort of better.

And this is during pregnancy for opera singers.

And it's because there's that, you know, women have almost 50% more blood at the time.

But they said they're particularly good at the apoggio technique in A, which is, I didn't know about.

Apparently this is crucial in opera.

And it's where you basically exhale while leaving your ribs open.

I spent about an hour trying to do this when I read about this yesterday.

And that makes you a really good singer.

Or it's going to make James pass out.

How do you open your ribs?

Yeah, you need some equipment, actually.

But they also said that the baby acts like a corset, which you can push against.

So the baby is pushing up against your diaphragm, and you kind of use that pressure to push up against it.

And one opera singer, Catherine Lewick, said that in the second trimester, she felt like she was performing on steroids.

High notes just came shooting out of me.

So good, isn't it?

That's amazing.

On singers and singing,

do you guys know about Epheni Shakur?

Efeni Shakur.

Is she related to Tupak Shakur?

She is indeed his mother.

Oh my god, look at my cool music knowledge.

Do you listen to her albums?

As a musician, she's a huge fan of all of Tupac's family's albums, yeah.

She was a member of the Black Panthers, and she was arrested and charged with counts of conspiracy to bomb police stations while she was pregnant with Tupac.

And she represented herself in court and got an undercover cop to admit under oath that he and the other agents had basically organized all the unlawful stuff.

And they, you know, they were kind of undercover cops, but they were trying to get them to do things that were illegal.

And then they all got acquitted in May 1971.

And then she gave birth to Tupac in June.

Wow.

So, like less than a month later.

So, she was eight months pregnant when she was doing that stuff in court.

Wow.

It's pretty cool.

Good timing.

We're all doing, I learned this fact from Jay-Z.

We're all doing.

Oh, sorry.

Is that a name drop?

You're just hanging out with Jay-Z.

Yeah, me and Jay were hanging out.

And no, he did this interview where he stops the interviewer and he says, You white people, you all do white people pronunciation of Tupac's name.

It's Tupac, not Tupac.

No, I know Tupac, but I've, when I try to say Tupac, it sounds like I'm a posh person saying pack.

So it's like, I have to, I'm really sorry, people who are actual fans who say Tupac, but we can't get away with it.

I know it's Tupac, but I say Tupac because I'm from the north of England.

Exactly.

There's a lot of qualification.

That's what I told Jay-Z.

I said, listen, have you been to the north?

It's how they say it.

You mean Jay-Z, right?

Another person who had a tough time during pregnancy was Thomas Beatty.

Thomas Beatty.

I always remember Thomas Beatty.

Transgender man who

in 2010 got the Guinness World Record for being the world's first married man to give birth.

He was a transgender man who was partway through gender reassignment surgery.

Not, I mean, not literally partway through at the time.

Step back, step back.

Had some parts of it, not other parts.

He says people's attitudes have improved since 2008, but only slightly.

Back then, it was 99.99999% terrible.

Today, it's probably only 95% terrible.

But a few interesting things about Thomas Beatty, because people will remember that story, I reckon, who are listening to this, because it's quite famous at the time.

But his fifth great-grandfather was William Henry Harrison.

Whoa, really?

The ninth president.

Really?

Yeah.

And his third great uncle was Benjamin Harrison, who was another president.

We're getting a lot of great descendants of President Energy.

You know what?

I was thinking exactly the same thing.

So his third great uncle was Benjamin Harrison.

And Lydia, you'll know this.

Benjamin Harrison was, what, the 23rd, was he?

And there was someone who was twice...

Who's the person who was twice?

Cleveland.

Cleveland, yeah.

Grover Cleveland was president twice.

on either side of him.

And Grover Cleveland was the person who we mentioned the other day.

He was the grandfather of the trolley problem.

The leper foot.

So le Pafoote,

the creator of the trolley problem.

But anyway, Thomas Beattie was also in the vastly superior French version of Big Brother, which we mentioned before, I think, where every participant has to have a secret.

Do you remember that?

No.

No.

So in French Big Brother, you go in and you also have a secret and there's a secondary part where people have to guess what your secret is.

So while he was on it, another participant had a city in Sri Lanka named named after her family, and another one was the world car washing champion.

But there was one, it was a few years after this, there was one where one of the contestants was a dog.

That was an easy one to guess.

No,

that wasn't what the

secret.

No, no, that was out in the open.

Sorry, right.

The amazing secret was that they were the mayor of a town in France.

So good.

Ridiculous.

Do you know that a leading advocate of natural childbirth, so in the 20th century it became common to advocate that because surgery was becoming more common and also it was early days surgery, so it was much more dangerous.

And someone, one of the first people to talk about how important it was to promote natural childbirth was a guy called Grantly Dick Reed.

I just really enjoy his name.

Dick Reed, okay.

Or could be Dick Red, and I don't know which is what it's because it's Reed, like read a book.

R-E-D, yeah.

Yeah.

I think if it's read, it's more open to problems if you say my dick's red.

People don't know.

Yeah, yeah, you're right.

You're right.

People don't know.

You mean colour or someone's just currently reading it?

Exactly.

Yeah.

That was before pictures, dick reads, right?

You sent me a dick read.

What was that?

19th century dick pick.

Yeah.

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Okay, it is time for fact number two, and that is Anna.

My fact this week is that for almost a thousand years, Christians have debated whether to treat the barnacle goose as a barnacle or a goose.

Oh, and are we going to argue well for it now, or is it because

I think it's too controversial a topic for us to take a stand on which it is, so we can just talk about the debate in general.

It certainly looks like a goose.

No, it is a goose, obviously, but uh, it's been this very controversial thing for more than a thousand years, in fact, uh, because when meat is not allowed, usually at Lent or on Fridays, you know, it's always varied what days you fast in Christianity, depending on time and place and denomination, but fish tends to be permitted.

And there was this rumor going around in about the 12th century that the barnacle goose was maybe a fish, maybe a sort of barnacly thing, grew for barnacles.

So they said, maybe we can eat it, maybe we can't.

And across the ages, if you look it up, there are just constantly people saying, well, the Irish bishops are still doing that thing where they eat eat barnacle geese.

I mean, I think Gerald of Wales in 1187 campaigned against it, but acknowledged that they were probably kind of barnacles.

They grew out of wood.

But he still said that's no reason for these bishops in Ireland

to eat them.

How does anyone think that a goose comes from a barnacle?

Yeah, it's very, it's interesting, isn't it?

You've got to suspect they didn't look hard enough

because

their reasoning was pretty weird anyway.

It was essentially essentially that goose barnacles, which are the barnacles that barnacle geese were thought to have sprouted from, tend to grow on the bottom of bits of wood that are floating around at sea

and sort of have a goose-like shape-ish, has been the claim.

So look.

They're kind of white, aren't they, with like a black

necky thing, which you might call a neck.

It doesn't have a head attached, which does seem to be a problem, but whatever.

Or any wings.

Or legs.

No.

No.

But they were ridius back then.

Sounds like a goose to me.

I mean, is it true, I think, that the geese would migrate, so they would all disappear and there'd be no geese, and then the geese would come back.

And we didn't know that migration was a thing, so it just seemed like they all disappeared and then they all came back.

But they all came back about the same time as driftwood was coming in with all these barnacles on them and stuff like that, I think.

Okay.

Yeah.

I think that basically the problem was no one knew what migration was.

Yeah.

All birds disappeared and then they all came back and people's kids would be like, why are there no geese?

Yeah.

why are there no geese in the winter?

Why are they only here in the summer?

And then people's parents had to make up some bullshit.

Oh, you see that tree?

Yeah, they come off the tree.

Now eat your peas.

It was much easier to make things up back then.

There was a man called John Gerard, who actually had a garden here in Hoburn that he wrote a book about all the plants that you would find in it.

And he said, barnacle geese literally grew on trees.

And he covered his own back by saying, look, I have seen this happen.

But in some parts of the country, it doesn't happen.

So if anybody from another part of England tells you that it doesn't happen, they're probably telling the truth.

But I have seen it happen.

So, in the north, they may be speaking their own truth, but I've seen it happen.

So,

there's much less science to go on in those days.

After Gerard's death, one of his friends issued an update to his book with lots of corrections in it.

Really?

Yeah.

Fact-checked it?

It's a great idea.

Dan,

the chance of me outliving you is probably pretty slim, but if I do, I'm going through your book with a red pen.

Oh god.

Jesus, there won't be anything left.

In Ireland I was reading a few slang terms to do with Lent and Green's slang dictionary has this thing which is cock Tuesday.

Cock Tuesday?

Yeah.

Okay.

So it's sort of like in the eve prior to Lent it'd be, I guess, where you would gorge yourself.

Oh, so what now is

pancake day?

Yeah.

But it used to be cock Tuesday.

Cock Tuesday.

Okay.

Yeah.

Did we find out why it's cock Tuesday?

Oh, I assumed it was you just ate a lot of meat.

God, I didn't actually.

You ate a lot of meat, so you call it Cock Tuesday?

Because that's the real meat of it.

It's eating cocks.

Is it not?

I've been eating cock on a Tuesday.

That has never been part of Christian tradition.

I'm pretty sure in the Bible it says you're not allowed to eat cock on a Tuesday.

Right.

I think it's in Leviticus.

Yeah, you're right.

Yeah, I guess it is that.

It could have been cock fighting.

Yeah.

It could have been cock fighting.

In fact, I do happen to know that cock fighting did happen on Shrove Tuesday, actually,

because it was banned, wasn't it?

Do you remember?

This is in our book, Hannah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.

I'll be fact-checking that.

James dies before me.

I mean, when you read about the history of what you're allowed to eat and drink in Lent, it does give the impression that the Pope has just been inundated throughout time with people knocking at his door going, can I try this?

Can I just

this

beaver, like, beaver is always a famous example that's used beaver was classified as a fish for hundreds of years by the Catholic Church in South America because it swims a lot.

And yeah, it's always like.

And they went to the Pope and they said, Pope, are we allowed to do this one?

It's just like they find a new animal.

Yeah.

They're like, find a dogbill platypus.

Pope!

Come in, look at this.

Come on, it's in water.

That'd be amazing.

Yeah, half his life is just loophole admin that he was trying to prove or say no.

And iguanas was a big one when

the Spanish went over to South America because they spent a lot of time in water.

They said, Pope, can we eat this?

And the Pope said yes.

Even though the

black iguana was the one that people ate, which was a land iguana, on the rules that the green one spent time in water.

So iguanas are kind of fishy things.

So it was a double loop.

Alright, because his cousin sometimes likes a swim.

So we'll eat this guy.

Exactly.

Yeah.

Sometimes the Pope comes out with some suggestions for what you can do during Lent.

2020, what do you think he said to give up for Lent?

Face masks.

Condoms.

It's going to be too hard to do.

Okay, what could you give up for Lent?

I bet.

No, they're trying to be cool.

It's 2020 and we're in lockdown.

Yeah, it's kind of you're in the right, you're in the right territory.

A lot of people are online, I guess.

They're at home.

It's 2020.

Masturbating online on Zoom

with the rest of the monks.

Yeah.

It was very close.

Hashtags?

Hashtags?

Come on, we can get this.

You can get it, but it's kind of a boring answer.

Is it scheduling Zoom meetings for sort of nine o'clock in the morning?

Did you get into work?

Yeah, yeah.

We're in the territory.

Just remember, a lot of people spending time online, and online is a very scary place sometimes.

Twitter?

Oh, those online quizzes that were all over me.

Yeah, no, no, it's online.

comedy shows yeah

um is it just like take some time out from the internet it's trolling so

take time off from sending negative messages out into the world trolls stop your anger like saying don't murder people no like stop doing it full stop

and then you can have a massive troll at the end of men just go online abuse everyone you can

find on cock tuesday you can all be cocks online

that's where it comes from that's what he said He said,

if you all stop just for a month, then the world will be a better place.

And then you can all go back to being fucking losers.

All right, stop now.

Do you guys know about mock eggs?

Mop eggs.

Mock eggs are mock eggs.

But I want to know also what you think a mock egg would be.

That sounds fun.

Is a mock egg an egg which is pretending to be a mop?

You're thinking thinking of the mock mop egg.

Yeah, it's just under the egg.

And it's something that's not really an egg because you can't eat eggs over Lent.

Yeah.

But you eat this particular thing instead.

Yes.

Which is.

You can probably get it.

Okay, you can't get it.

I'll take it back.

Hang on.

So

it's a food.

Oh, is it.

I know what it'll be.

What's the aquafava?

Oh, you are close, but because, as we, I think we probably have mentioned the concept of aquafava was invented about four years ago, and this comes from the 1450s.

It wasn't that.

So was it something that you can use instead of eggs?

It was something that you used to make, and as a recipe for making a mock egg, because you couldn't eat animal products, that included egg.

But something that was extremely popular, much more popular than dairy milk throughout really medieval times, was almond milk.

Oh, yeah.

And that's partly because you could eat that still in Lent.

And so you filled an empty eggshell.

Now, I don't know how you got the eggshell really empty and then to a place where you could fill it again.

Oh, just a tiny hole.

Yeah.

Prick a hole.

One in each end and then blow it.

But then you have to fill it up with

a slightly bigger hole.

A little big hole.

Okay, make a hole in your egg, empty it, and then you fill it with a mixture of almond milk-based jelly, and then real almonds in the middle, dyed yellow with saffron.

So you've got crunchy almonds in the middle, yellow, and then grey almond jelly outside, and it looks like a shit egg.

Right.

By the way, apparently, this is just calling back to the last fact: you shouldn't blow air up a vagina when someone's pregnant.

that's true i mean honestly if you're gonna do it ask permission anyway whether they're pregnant or not

um yeah that is dangerous isn't it i've i've heard that is it okay well actually you know what i've never checked it yeah but it's the kind of thing you hear it's kind of the thing you hear in the playground really

yeah yeah

went to a cool school

so um Philip O'Fish, McDonald's.

Oh, yeah.

Lydia, you and I were talking about this.

Yeah, it's a byproduct of Catholic fasting.

So it was developed in 1962 by a man called Lou Gruen.

He ran the Cincinnati franchise and couldn't sell burgers on Fridays or during Lent because most of his customers were Catholic.

And so he came up with this idea of this horrible burger.

Sorry, I'm sure it's great.

And nowadays, about 25% of the philosophy fishes bought by McDonald's customers in any one year are bought during the 40 days of Lent.

No.

Nobody buys them the rest of the year.

Really?

Yeah.

That's so interesting.

Because, yeah, I wouldn't have thought there were that many devout Catholics going to McDonald's.

In America, there's loads.

There's some places that don't even sell them outside of Lent.

They just wait for Lent and then they bring it back on the menu.

Really?

That's amazing.

And this guy, Groan,

he developed them in 1962.

So Ray Kroc had taken over McDonald's in 61.

And so they basically had a competition between them because he, Ray Kroc, had come up with his own burger at the same time, which was a non-meat burger called the Hula burger, which I believe we've mentioned before.

Yeah, it was hula hoot, you know, it was grilled pineapple with cheese on a cold bun.

And so he said, Whoever sells the most will be on the permanent menu after a bit of time and feel like oh, fish one out.

Do you know whether it does more birthday parties than any other McDonald's in the world?

Um, because I've been there this year, oh, he's been there this year, uh, this year, he's Bolton, yeah,

Marrakech, no, not Marrakech, Montenegro, in its own name, Montenegro's close, but not quite right, Serbia, Serbia, Capital.

Belgrade.

Belgrade.

Correct.

It's in Belgrade.

Is it?

Yeah, and it's because basically when McDonald's passed the Iron Curtain, it was just so popular.

I really like watching because both you, Lydia, and James, are quizzers and you do things like only connect.

That was like training.

I was going to say, can you edit out the dead air before I remember that Belgrade was the capital of Serbia?

But Serbia was the place where the Golden Arch's diplomacy rule got broken.

Because there's that.

Oh, so there's a sort of philosophical idea that no two countries with McDonald's had ever gone to war with each other.

Oh,

well, this was, I'm not sure how true it ever was, but there was this idea that if a country has a McDonald's, they probably weren't going to go to war with each other.

And after somebody put it in an academic article a few weeks, NATO bombed Serbia.

Wow.

And so the Golden Arches rule, if it ever really existed, was broken at that point.

Can I quickly talk about barnacles?

Yeah.

They're enormous penises.

Yes, always.

Of course, always.

So they have the largest penis to body ratio in the world.

One reason is because they don't move around very much because they just kind of attach to things, but they do sort of internal copulation.

So

if you're stuck where you are, imagine your feet are nailed to the ground and you want to have sex with someone who's three or four feet away and their feet are nailed to the ground.

The only way you're going to do that realistically is with a very long penis.

And so

that's what they did.

That's what they've evolved.

Be a great sketch of a married couple barnacles, but there's just a random guy in between them.

Just every night he'd as much as a penis sort of come over the front of him.

Like when you're on an aeroplane and they put two of you like one seat away from each other and sit someone random in the middle.

Yeah, yeah.

You're just passing Malteses to each other.

Well, if you can imagine that with penises and barnacles, then that's what happens.

But very recently, they found out that gooseneck barnacles, which I'm not sure if it's the same as these ones, but I think it might be, they

do something called sperm casting,

which isn't a new podcast.

It's where you ejaculate into the water and the water sort of finds its way to a female.

Yeah, that sounds sensible.

That's a good way of doing it, but what the result is that they have evolved much shorter and less stretchy penises.

Oh no, less stretchy as well.

So that's what happens.

They've kind of come up with this new way of mating, but at the expense of their penis stretchiness.

Oh no,

for them.

Stretchiness kind of.

To stretch something, I imagine someone has to be pulling at the other end and they have to get a fish and be like, Can you come over here?

Sorry, I just want to get this to that girl over there.

Can she just

swim in over?

That won't reach.

I promise it will.

We've We've actually never mentioned the essential role that barnacles played in Britain's kind of historic reputation.

And

basically, us ruling the waves was really down to barnacles, or specifically down to our defeating them, because they're such a huge problem for ships.

So they glue themselves with this really powerful glue to the hulls of ships.

And it means that ships need to use a huge amount more fuel, up to 40% more fuel, just to get going with the huge weight and dragon.

It's called bio-fouling, and it's a huge problem.

It's not just a word, James.

It's a solid word.

It's a great word.

Bio-fouling.

They bio-foul.

And in the 18th century, it was the British who realized that if you sheathe your hulls in copper,

the barnacles can't adhere to it, don't adhere to it.

And that was completely revolutionary.

And that was what made Britain this naval superpower, one of the essential things.

But it is a problem again now because we stopped making boats out of copper.

And

they're back.

But I do wonder if that's why blistering barnacles is a expletive at sea.

In 10-10.

In 1010.

I'm not sure.

In one very specific Belgian kids' conversation.

Okay, it is time for fact number three, and that is my fact.

My fact this week is that just after the Titanic hit the iceberg, many of the first-class passengers sprung into action and immediately organized snowball fights for the next morning.

Wow.

Yeah.

I mean, just to sort of show how non-threatening they thought the moment was,

I found this fact in a really bizarre place.

I'm reading a book at the moment called Poking the Dead Frog, which is by a guy called Mike Sachs.

It's a quack.

No, it's by Mike Sachs, who's an amazing book.

If you're into comedy history, it's interviews with great comedy writers.

And it was within an interview with a guy called Henry Beard, who started National Lampoon.

He was part of Board of the Rings, the first Lord of the Rings parody.

It's just in there.

He just says, My dad was friends with a guy called Lawrence Beasley, and he was a survivor of the Titanic.

And then there's a footnote that tells that in an account given in Lawrence Beasley's book, which is titled Blistering Barnacles: The Loss

of the Title

Sea?

So it's called The Loss of the Titanic.

It's the

sudden real downer of a reveal of the actual title.

Yeah, you missed a trick there, sort of thing.

The loss of the SS Titanic, its story and its lessons by one of the survivors.

And yeah, he said that as soon as the hit occurred, to illustrate further how little danger was apprehended, when it was discovered on the first-class deck that the forward lower deck was covered with small ice, snowballing matches were arranged for the following morning, and some passengers even went down to the deck and brought back small pieces of ice which were handed round.

Okay, so question.

Yeah.

These are presumably bits of iceberg that have fallen on their deck.

Snowball fights, to me, is safer at least if you use snow rather than ice.

Yes.

Yeah, you always get annoyed with the person who picks up a chunk of ice, and there's always one kid and throws it.

I actually was thinking about that as well.

I think possibly what happened is that the ice was almost grated, so lots of powder, as it were, was coming out.

Like a frozen martini.

Exactly.

Yeah, is my.

A lot of the other passengers planned the frozen martini party for the next morning.

That's interesting.

Yeah, I think it definitely was shavings because actually at the time, according to the paper reports, the newspaper reports from the next day, they said the deck was filled with ice and snow, which had been shaved off, and passengers were amusing themselves by throwing them around at each other immediately.

Yeah, exactly.

And I heard playing football as well.

With the snow.

With the ice, like lumps of ice kicking it at each other.

Just sliding it along, yeah.

And there was a stoker called Walter Hurst, and I read that he entered some fellow stokers' cabin and threw lumps of ice at them to wake them up.

So, Lawrence Beasley, we've kind of mentioned him on the show before in passing.

He was, there was, we talked about um survivor guilt.

A lot of the people that survived the Titanic believed that maybe, particularly if they were male, I think almost really almost exclusively if they were male, they should have gone down with it.

Lawrence Beasley survived because he was standing on the side where the last boats were going down, and a rumor went round that they were now taking men off the boat on the other side of the Titanic.

So everyone ran around, but he just hung out there, he just didn't go.

This is his story.

And then they said, there's more space, you could get in.

So he jumped in that one, and that's how he survived, not knowing that that was a lie, that there weren't any other on the other side.

And so he survives, and he had survivor's guilt a bit to the point where he jumped onto the set of a movie of the Titanic that was being filmed and he tried to symbolically go down with the iceberg.

Nope, not the same mate.

What on earth?

Yeah, there's a lot of a lot and he got kicked he got caught.

They kicked him off the set so he survived that Titanic.

Yeah, his grandson talks about the fact that it was a thing back then, more so, he says more so than any other time, where it was women and children first was not just like a thing, a suggestion, it was built into you.

I read that it was quite controversial even during and immediately after the sinking, this women and children idea, because the men obviously were the breadwinners.

They brought home all the resources.

So if you didn't bring your husband with you onto the boat, then you would be poor and destitute.

So there was some arguing amongst survivors and people trying to get off the boat about whether it should be, should the men be left on the boat and leave the women and children destitute?

What's better?

And they said, it's not women and children first as a law of the sea, but it is an inherent law of human nature.

Okay.

That's interesting.

So they should have done a sort of like means t or an IQ test or something to see who were the most useful person.

Some sort of mean test of survival, I'm sure, would have been completely straightforward.

Quiz, Lydia?

Yeah, quiz.

Yeah, quiz.

That sounds good.

If you can name the capital of Serbia, you are on.

Capital of Zagreb, damn it.

Capital of Zagreb.

Some of that going down, Dan.

This guy, just throw yourself over the edge now.

I was panicking.

I've put myself in survival mode.

Interesting little connection between this guy as well, Beasley, is that his son Alec was married married to a writer called Dodie Smith and she's who wrote 101 Dalmatians.

Really?

Yeah, just a little, it's no presidential connection, but

it's pretty good going.

Speaking of people with survivors' guilt, another one was a person who is the coward of the Titanic.

So who do you guys think of as the coward of this whole story?

Ismay famous.

Billy Zayn.

Exactly.

Okay.

Lydia's is historically accurate.

Yours is based on the film, so I'm going to go with Ismay.

Yeah, Bruce Ismay, who was the head of White Starline, who was the guy who apparently, or it's speculated, encouraged them to keep the ship going faster so they could make the morning headlines, you know, and in all adaptations of Titanic, he is the villain, the Panto villain, because he kind of was the reason it crashed, and then he escaped onto a lifeboat, snuck onto a lifeboat.

And he's not, and I just feel like he should be rehabilitated.

So the reason that he's this pantomime villain still today is because William Randolph Hearst, who owned all the newspapers at the time that were influential, just hated him.

Isn't it was this quite cold, awkward Brit.

Hearst was the American guy

and he just ran this smear campaign almost immediately after the Titanic sank.

He made his papers publish the suggestion that the emblem of White Star be changed to yellow liver

in testament to his cowardice.

And actually, we have no evidence that he did that.

It was reported that he did his duty completely.

He was on the very last lifeboat to leave.

And come on, it's the driver, the captain.

Where was he in all this?

He was hiding away in that room that exploded with water.

Is it?

I haven't seen any of the movies, but it seems to me like the bad guy would be the iceberg.

Is that not?

The iceberg was just doing its duty, Jay.

Oh, was it?

Yeah, it's what it was born to do.

Sink ships.

So a lot of people went to testify about what the experience was, just so we could get it down in history books.

And people were trying to get money from the company as well for the disaster.

And one woman basically, it reads like the worst Trip Advisor review ever.

It's just her.

It's like it takes ages for her to get to the actual incident itself because she's.

The food was shit.

The chin wasn't big enough.

We were put into a third-class room.

We should have been in a different room.

It was barely enough room to get two people in there, let alone the three people that we had.

The meals were not being served correctly.

But then she does make this point that when they did hit, she sent her son off.

Sorry, did she actually complain about stuff?

Genuinely.

Wow.

That's what I mean.

It's like a huge, long, yeah, yeah.

It's a proper trip advisor.

Two stars.

So funny.

Two stars.

What does it have to do to go one study?

But she then also says that her son goes up, finds the captain, and he's in a card game, and he laughs it off.

He says, Well, this is nothing.

And she goes back there.

Then it goes to complaints about her going, the boat that we were put down in, the life raft, that was a nightmare.

Getting into that, the lowering of it.

They didn't know what they were doing.

It was the boat on top of us almost crashed into us.

To be fair, you're putting a lot of tone on this, but maybe one of them does.

Was it one of those reviews that had the passag response from White Starliner saying, well, you paid for the first class ticket?

We will acknowledge we hit the iceberg.

But.

Yeah.

Thank you for your feedback.

We relish any kind of feedback that we get for any of our liners.

So funny.

Have you heard of a woman named Violet Jessup?

Violet Jessup?

No.

She survived the sinking of not only the Titanic, but also the Britannic in 1916.

And she was aboard the third sister ship, the Olympic, when it collided with another boat and nearly sank in 1911.

And she later wrote a memoir where she complained that after the Titanic sank, she got the mick taken out of her because she couldn't find a toothbrush.

And she was complaining all the time about not having a toothbrush.

And so the other survivors just started making fun of her.

Hang on, when the Titanic was sinking,

after she was on the ship, afterwards, the Carpathia, she'd forgotten to take a toothbrush with her, and so she just kept complaining that nobody would give her a toothbrush.

So when the Britannic sank later,

the first thing she did when it started sinking was she ran to get her toothbrush because she said a friend had told her, never undertake another disaster without first making sure of your toothbrush.

Wow, I can't believe that's the lesson she took away from being on the Titanic because it sank.

That's basically what she talks about.

Yeah, because she's thought, well, what I'm going to do is make sure I bring a toothbrush next time, whereas what I might think is, don't get on a massive fucking ship,

ending in ick.

Do you guys know who the original captain of the Titanic was?

The original captain, as if not the one who then was the captain?

No, so Smith.

Edward Smith?

Edward Smith was the captain when it was sailing, but actually when it was being assembled in Belfast.

Okay.

I was just thinking it's quite an easy job to be a captain of a ship while it's being built.

Most of the work does come in once it's at the sea.

Oh, it's a common misconception.

Actually, the hardest part is standing there watching it being built.

No, it had a master in Belfast who was largely responsible for assembling the crew together to get it to Southampton, where it went off to.

So he captained it to Southampton?

Is that what you're saying?

He actually didn't.

He just got the crew together.

But he was officially captain of the Titanic and he was Captain Haddock.

Blistering barnacles!

Are you kidding me?

Captain Herbert Haddock.

First captain of the Titanic.

Isn't that a cool bizarre?

That is something.

Well, isn't that incredibly famous?

What a shame he didn't take it all the way to the end.

Do you know the link between Titanic and North Korea?

i feel like you mainly both had a mcdonald's and

is it a white star no it's the hms titanic sank on the same day that kim il-sung was born which is april the 15th 1912.

you're right i do know the birthdays of all dictators

the kind of thing that comes up

so the

like lydia's just declared war on this

right

the qi gospel rule of democracy has been broken.

So the North Korean calendar starts from April the 15th, 1912.

Yeah, yeah, I know all this.

Come on, tell me something I don't know.

But for a cranner, really.

No, I do know that.

They start with his birth, don't they?

Yes, they start with his birth.

And I tried to find out what time he was born because obviously it sank in the Atlantic and Korea is, I don't know what time zones were like in 1912, but several hours ahead.

So they could possibly have been born at the moment of the thing happening.

Do you think there's a connection?

I do, but I'm not going to go into it here.

Get on down to the podcast.

Can I just quickly, very, very quickly say that

there was a 1962 law in the town of Owa Sau in America, which banned children from throwing snowballs at each other.

Why?

Because it hurts.

I think the idea was that, you know, it stopped protesters and stuff, but effectively it stopped people from throwing snowballs.

And they eventually changed the rule.

But what happened was that people heard about this law and they got very, very upset about it and started sort of trolling the city and saying, how come you're stopping kids from throwing snowballs?

It's disgusting.

And one of the people who's in charge said that the nastiness of it has been incredible.

We haven't seen as much unexpected vitriol since we cracked down on kids selling ice cream off their bikes.

To be honest, they do something like the bad guys.

You know, in the American Civil War, massive organized snowball fights used to happen quite regularly.

Between just the same side or same side.

But it would be, it was usually among the Confederate troops and it would be between different regiments.

So there was one in 1864 where 20,000 troops took part.

There were 10,000 on the Georgian and South Carolinan side and 10,000 on the Tennessee side.

What?

Yeah, yeah.

Crazy.

That's a lot of people for a snowball fight.

Yeah.

It's, I don't know how they are, but it's so organised.

And they used to play their bugles properly and the officers would be mounted on their horses, they'd fly their standards, and then they'd just gallop at each other.

That's amazing.

Tennessee won, if you're interested.

And

if you captured someone from the opposition, then you drag them through the snow and like stuffed snow in their face and nose and eyes and down their back and stuff.

So you didn't want to be captured.

Wow.

Sounds really good.

Good practice for the actual war.

Oh, not that good practice.

Maybe that's why they didn't win, actually.

The North are having proper military training.

First guy comes back going, guys, those bullets hurt way more than the snowballs.

Heads up.

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Okay, it is time for our final fact of the show, and that is Lydia.

My fact is that entrepreneurs have been ending their businesses' names with near me in an attempt to appear near the top of search results.

So, that's so good.

It's like the modern day version of doing the naming your company with the letter A, you know, to get at the top of the phone button.

Bathart plumbing.

Yeah.

Yeah, but is it good?

Because let's say this is, you know, a Tex-Mex restaurant in Santa Fe and they're called Tex-Mex Near Me and I Google it in London.

Yeah.

What the fucking use is that?

You'll went on a flight.

You'll be like, well, I guess it's the closest one.

I really want technique.

It's a bit further than we were hoping, but

I do want it.

This is exactly it.

It does work, but the problem is exactly what you have just said, is that it only works if you're within about a mile.

So I read an article which is about this New York City restaurant called Thai Food Near Me.

So in NYC, in New York City, it works because of the population density.

You're probably...

Yeah.

Very close to things.

Lots of people will be googling Thai food near me within a mile of this restaurant.

But what's happened to make it really popular is that it's gone viral.

Lots of people have been looking at it thinking

this is a great joke, this is such a good idea, and that in itself has pushed up the SEO.

So, this has taken off in a way that I didn't really realize.

In Texas alone, there's six businesses called Affordable Dentist near me, which is quite bleak.

There's a psychic near me in Chicago.

I have been spending some time

In the UK, I did a company's house search and there are 90 companies in this country with Near Me.

Really?

Including Skip Hire near me, Locksmiths near me.

There's

somewhere in Yorkshire called Cheap Flooring near me.

And in Oldham, there's a company called Fire Extinguishers near me, which means

you think if you need a fire extinguisher, it might be a bit more urgent than

it is.

Yeah, I want one really near me.

Really, really near me.

People don't set their house on fire and think, oh, we better buy her a firing skirt shop.

Shit, the shop isn't open for another six hours.

So I have to wait.

But you're right, it's the modern equivalent of naming your business AA Plumbing or AAA locksmiths.

Yeah, yeah.

Apple, obviously, I think we said before, is called Apple because they wanted to be ahead of Atari.

I actually read that you can tell kind of how old a company is.

Obviously, not really accurately, but if it's like Advat Plumbing, you know that they came out around the time of yellow pages and telephone directories.

Yeah, yeah, if they're called Dan Schreiber locksmiths, then it came before that when the most important thing was reputation.

So people would name it after the you know the name of the person.

Probably not Dan Schreiber though if I'm being completely honest.

And these days like in the internet area you might be more likely to be called you know Oxford plumbing because people are more likely to search for the place or something like that.

Interesting, yeah.

So I don't know if that's true.

That's really

all of them.

Yeah, I tried to, I was on the train when I had this thought and I couldn't get the research done, but I imagine there must be examples of bands and authors who've taken on pseudonyms to place themselves.

Let's say you're a kid's author.

Why not make your name Rolette or something like that and be right next to the Harry Potter book?

No, that's what just write a really, I think you have to write a good book.

Yeah, I think that only works.

That's only useful if you write some piece of shit that you want people to accidentally buy.

But if you actually want to be a proper good author, you want to be distinct from these people, right?

You can't go to your publisher next time down and be like, I've come up with a brilliant concept.

My name is Richard Usman.

Why did you make your surname start with you?

Oh, yeah, I'm way away from him now.

But the problem is that these things do move on, so that wouldn't work anymore.

And in fact, the Near Me thing hardly worked for any time at all because as soon as Google catches on, as soon as the internet catches on, it rejigs, you know, its algorithms.

So it doesn't work now because Google has been recoded so that now if you have, if you're called whatever great dentist near me, Google will discount the words near me as keywords.

So it won't look for anything with near me in the title.

It's already made all the letterheads.

I mean, that just looks stupid.

So they'll see the words near me and Google will be like, okay, you want to find something near you.

So they'll understand what it means, but they won't look for the keywords.

So exactly, same with open now.

Don't call your business something something open now because they discount those as well.

Wow.

And it's actually counterproductive because honestly, if I saw a business called Something Something near me, I think that's really

stupid.

What do you think?

Do you not think it looks quite cheap?

If you've...

Would you go to Thai restaurant near me?

For the gag, yeah.

You'd go for the gag.

Would you?

I actually thought that Vietnamese restaurant like Ban Me near me would be quite good.

That's good.

Well done.

But fire extinguisher shop open now might be

useful.

You'll talk about when it's not open.

Yeah, exactly.

You have to stay open all the time.

I think if your name is open now, the rules should be that you're not going to be able to do it.

24-7.

I think I'm attracted to places like that.

For example, I used to go to a Thai restaurant that was up in North London specifically, and it wasn't even in my bit of North London because it was called the Titanic.

Wow.

Genuinely.

That's great.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I love it.

Was it good food?

It was fine.

I don't know.

Yeah, you didn't care.

No, I just love a good joke.

Not a bad joke.

Just a joke.

I love a joke.

Yeah.

Anyone having an effort?

I looked at the rules of naming companies in the UK.

So if you have a limited company,

your name has to end in limited.

Or it's also allowed to end in Sif.

Sith.

Sif.

S-I-T-H.

C-Y-F.

Can we guess why?

A riddle of measures.

Is it guessable or is this why?

I think that question was directed at Lydia.

I mean, you and I said this one out.

I'll tell you what, there is a clue if you've been on OnlyConnect because it's related to something to do with OnlyConnect.

Corin.

Corinn.

Ah no, where do they film OnlyConnect?

Oh Cardiff.

Which is in Wales.

Oh it's Welsh.

Yeah it's Welsh.

So it's Siffingadig which means limited.

It's shortened to Sif.

Sifingadig.

Sounds like a song.

Sounds like a Mary J.

Blige song.

Sifingadig, ga-dig-ga-dig-ga-dig.

Who did that song where they say it backwards, do they?

Oh,

Missy Elliott.

Is that who you're thinking of?

That's I'm thinking of, yeah.

Same kind of era.

Same kind of era.

That's true.

I'm going to give myself a point.

Okay, well,

only connect words.

We haven't been on.

There are words where you need permission to add them to your company name, a big long list of them.

So you are not allowed to have the word benevolent in your company name because it implies you're a charity or that you're helping families or whatever.

What if you're a charity and you're helping families?

You need permission still.

Well, you need permission, so yeah, you are allowed.

It's possible you're allowed them.

The word Doug, you're not allowed.

D-U-G.

Can you guess why?

Is it Welsh?

Is getting Welsh?

It is Welsh, yeah.

I thought hey, Dougie had somehow got the domain of every single possibility.

Why not?

It's Welsh for Duke.

And so you're not allowed to be called king or queen or duke or whatever without permission because they might think that it's a royal company.

What if your surname is king?

Yeah, you would just have to say, is it okay that I do this?

And they would say yes, I think.

So is it the grand old Doug of York?

There's a song.

No, because York is not in Wales.

No, no, the song, just the grand old Doug of Cardiff.

Yes.

And also, there are two cities,

these are both in England, which are not allowed to use without permission.

Okay.

I

bath.

Cheddar.

Winter?

Winter.

Oh, God.

Lydia has got one of them, Windsor, and the other one is very, very difficult to guess.

Is it a pun?

Is it something that means something?

No, it's not.

It's just because this city is very famous for making other things.

Sheffield?

Manchester?

Sorry.

Sorry.

Sorry, I got it right again.

Wow.

Yeah, so the company of Cutlers is allowed to object to anyone calling their company Sheffield.

FYI, FYI, International Ocean.

Sheffield's incredibly famous for making cutlery.

Yeah.

They do have to reject company names every year, don't they?

Because obviously a lot of people apply with these things in their titles and often they get told they can't use that name.

And often it is people who are like Queen's Plumbing or whatever.

But also the Company's House, which is sort of the...

British Register of Companies and they say if you're allowed to set up a business, they don't allow offensive names.

And so I was just looking at some of the names that have been rejected recently.

Hey!

Should we do some rejected names?

Yes, please.

There are a lot.

There are almost 57,000 names rejected between January 2019 and April 2022.

Wow.

So they've gone through a lot.

Lawn porn UK.

Is that a gardening place or a pornography place?

I think it does both.

Yeah.

The husband does the gardening and then the wife does the porn.

Lawn porn.

I think probably just lawn knowing.

Doggy style, which

that's good.

Is that like dog hairdressers?

Well, the sad thing about the fact they were rejected as company names is you can't actually look up the company and find out what it does, but I've got to assume it's an anal sex-selling company.

Come with us for all your anal sex-selling

always open.

We have to enter around the back of the building

and bullparking in the rear.

I'm bum face and dick weasel.

Can I just say, me and Dan were very upset

that they wouldn't let us use our perfectly normal nicknames.

That's our fringe show this year, isn't it?

Double X.

Okay, that's it.

That is all of our facts.

Thank you so much for listening.

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I am on Twitter at James Harkin.

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Also on Twitter at Lydia Meisen.

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You can go to at no such thing on Twitter or you can go to at no such thing as a fish on Instagram or you can email podcast at qi.com.

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