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Hi everyone, welcome to a very special mini little episode of No Such Thing as a Fish. now

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Welcome back, everyone. It is time to move on to our next guest.
And boy, do we have an exciting one. We have someone who is, I guess, the biggest quizzing personality on TV.

You'll know him from House of Games, you'll know him from Pointless.

But just as a sort of side project, he's also become the best-selling fictional author to have a debut book out in the history of books. That's his kind of side plate of things that he does.

You'll know it as the Thursday Murder Club. We're so excited to have him here for fact number

eight. It is Mr.
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well let's get into it uh we understand you brought a fact so it's time for fact number eight and that is richard osman i have brought a fact and it's it's it's who wants to be a millionaire related for reasons we won't get on to but my fact is uh the man who wrote the theme tune to who wants to be a millionaire also wrote mistletoe and wine

a gentleman called keith strachan um he's been around for years and years he's a musician musical director all sorts of things like that. Wrote Mistletoe and Wine for a musical, funny enough.

Cliff took hold of it, so he won an Ivan the Bello for it. But for years, also wrote theme music for Celador.
So we'd do lots of ill-remembered shows like talking telephone numbers.

And then, you know, one day he gets the call saying that we're doing this pilot in a couple of days' time. It's this thing called Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?

We're not happy with the song we've got, which was written by Pete Waterman, Stock Athena and Waterman. So we're not happy with it.

Is there anything you can do? He sat down with his son, put something together, lots of sort of strings and stuff like that.

A couple of days later, pilot goes out. That song has probably made him tens of millions.
I was

brilliant

or theme tune in the history of television. Did they use the same theme tune around the world? Yeah.

Oh, really? Wow.

Millionaire and Weakest Link, one of those shows that was always done as a kit of parts, i.e., if you buy, you buy the look, you buy the set, you buy the graphics, you buy the music, which isn't always the case.

So, yeah, every time it's played in America, every time it's played in Appleby Don, Keith Strackham is

that song, like the millionaire theme, it's not

that melodic, is it? Well, that's the thing. You couldn't whistle it, right? No, exactly.
It's like,

but I've heard that you are meant to be able to sing along to it, and I can just about get the who wants to be, wants to be a millionaire.

And I don't know if I'm singing the right bit to the right.

I don't think you are with the switch.

But what I do know is you've just made Keith Srackham seven and a half pence.

That part of it is based on the musical song, Who Wants to Be a Millionaire, isn't it? I think it's the other part that he...

Who sang that?

I kind of know that song. When you say it in a millionaire.
Oh, it's a real oldie. Yeah.

I thought it was from Fiddler on the Roof or something, but someone in the chat will know what it's from, I'm sure. Yes.
It's a less slick when you're live. I know.
Oh, yeah.

I know. Normally we we have Sandy Toxvig telling us these things.
This was a podcast. You'd have Anna saying exactly where that came from.

Yeah. You don't know.
We shut down our computers. I have to ring up my mum and ask her the answer to the question.

That pilot of Who Wants to be a Millionaire,

actually the first episode that went out, I think the pilot was broadcast,

it got 46% of the total TV audience at the time.

And I mean, it was so huge. Chris Tarrant said the day after the first episode went out, someone shouted at him from a passing lorry, phone a friend.

And he said that happened every day for the next 15 years of his life.

Oh, God.

As a quiz show host, you barely go through three shows without someone looking nervous if they don't know an answer and saying, Can I phone a friend? It's the goat.

Really? Like, when you sit in a makeup chair as well, so if you're a new contestant, you sit in a makeup chair. This is just if anyone ever goes on a quiz.

Every single man, nervous, of course, sits down and says, Short back and sides, please.

Every single one. And there's poor makeup artists happening.

So many people watching who would have been one of those people, Richard,

crying into their

own. But I would do it as well.
You know, you're nervous.

Yeah.

Richard, do you get like people shouting things at you in the street, like Central African Republic or... or what other things?

People always just shout pointless to me in the street.

I'm aware that other other people walking past who might not know who I am have just seen someone pointless out of the window of a van.

I think I get most off the pointless, honestly. What it used to these days, it's the book and it's house against.

But the thing I think I used to get more as much as pointless is people saying, oh, Countdown.

You're the guy from Countdown.

Really?

Sandra and I, you know, who do they, sorry, Rich, who do they think? Do they think you're Susie Dent or? Richard Whiteley? I think, no, I don't think they really can come and countdown. I think.

You you have been on Countdown a couple of times, so maybe they just really like that episode. Maybe they're not.

So got hundreds of millions of viewers around the world.

Zandra wants to literally introduce the show. I'm Alexander Armstrong, and welcome to Countdown.

There's a showy toast thing, but the reason he did it is because he auditioned for Countdown.

And we were genuinely thinking, because you know, he's obviously a brilliant comic actor and was doing, have I got news for you all the time? And we thought, oh, he will never do a daytime show.

And then then we got some info that he was doing an audition for countdown and we thought well if he's up for doing that then perhaps he'd be up for doing our show and so literally off the back of that we thought let's get him in and he came in and uh then then we had our host so we have countdown thanks for

that

yeah if he'll do countdown he will do any daytime show that's major

what's your favorite um theme tune richard you must have one uh favorite theme tune is superstars i would think from the uh from the 70s

thing uh it's you know it

You know, if they play like theme tunes, if you're watching the University Challenge or something, and there's, you recognize all of them, but you can, I always think they're from Kickstart.

But Superstars is the one, yeah, it absolutely is. It's so brilliant.
If you haven't heard it, have a little go and listen to it. Best show ever and best theme tune, Heather.

I learned the other day, actually, this was a few months ago, but that the Inspector Gadget theme tune and the Mysterious Cities of Gold theme tune and the He-Man theme tune and Chase and the Wheel Warriors Warriors and Ulysses for people of a certain age were all written by the same guy called Shuki Levy.

And he also wrote the Israeli 1981 Eurovision Song Contest entry, which I haven't heard, but it must be amazing, right? Because they are absolutely, everyone is an absolute banger.

Although, Inspector Gadget is just a big old plagiarism, the same as Sonic the Hedgehog. It's Inspector Gadget goes.

Yeah, that's Hall of the Mountain King, same as Sonic the Hedgehog.

He's just slightly slightly changed the timing. Oh, that's just Hall of the Mountain King.

Cowboy's not your thing.

Wasn't who wants to be a millionaire based on Hulse the Planets? Yeah, there's a particular like stab of brass or stab of horns or something that

he worked from. I think a cool thing about the Holster's Planets the other day, I think it was for Neptune.

They had the choir that's in the song fade out, but they weren't able to fade it out properly at the time.

And so what they did was they had the choir in a different room and they slowly closed the door.

And then once it was shut. Yeah.

You know, again, if we were editing this, this might not end up in the final show, which is possibly not true. Do you know what? My favorite theme tune because of a fact is the Seinfeld theme tune.

Now,

I've always loved it because I love Seinfeld and the stand-up moment at the beginning. So for anyone that doesn't remember it, it's the

bass line, but it was done on a synth.

What I didn't realize was that for the first, I think it must have been eight series, that theme tune was re-recorded for every single episode because, and it makes total sense, Seinfeld is doing stand-up.

There are different beats to where his joke is going to land each time.

So this guy used to get sent the footage of the latest stand-up bit going at the front of Seinfeld, and he would live jam the theme tune for every single episode to

put all those moments in when he could see Seinfeld coming to a beat in the joke. It's something like 200 episodes that he rewrote it for.
He must have got tired of that tune.

Could you tell at the end it was losing some of its vigor towards the final episode?

That's like when the circus, when you used to see dancing horses dancing to the music. And you think, how do they get the horses to dance to the music? They don't.

They play the music to match whatever the hell the horses are doing. Seinfeld is the horse in that scenario.

andy I can't believe you've just ruined that magic for children in the 1950s

you went to the circus but still my favorite theme tune is also the most well-known piece of music in the UK apparently according to a 2000 and I think it was 2008 poll actually Eastenders correct must be Eastenders and that beat God save the queen into number two but i didn't realize very neat you stender's fact it has a spin-off called julia's theme written by one of the istenders uh creators and that's when you know when you get an ending, which is a bit more poignant and it doesn't really suit the boom, boom, boom, but

then Julia's theme comes in and it comes in about once a year.

Really? If you get a Julia's theme, that must be a big moment as an East Enders actor. Of course, Anita Dobson had a big hit.
They put lyrics to the EastEnders theme tune, Anyone Can Fall in Love.

And Anita Dobson, who's Angie, had a hit with it on top of the pops and all sorts of things. Back in those days, you had A sides and B sides.
And I wonder what the B sides of that must have been.

Yeah.

they used to. Um, if you used to watch Bullseye back in the day, at the very end, they would throw the dance and try and win the big prize.

And if they won the prize, they would have the theme tune, and if they lost the prize, they would have the same theme tune, but in a minor key. Oh,

a little bit slower. Oh, good.

So, sometimes they release the themes and they chart. Um, can you think of the highest charting TV theme tune ever? It's got to be a kids' show, right? It's got to be like Barney or Builder or.

I've got two for you right here, I bet. Theme from Match

was number one. Suicide is Painless.

And another number one with eye levels, I think was Van Dawk. So there's a couple for you right there.
Okay. I've got an answer for you all anyway.

And it's going to divide a pigment. It's going to divide the room because you've named a lot of songs that went to number one.
So it's clearly a dead tie.

But a million people in 1997 bought the Tebby Tubbies theme tune. I believe that's in the UK.
So

that's one of them. Really? Yeah.
Were you? Yeah, on that. See? I was a student at the time.
And that was the demographic for the show.

But Bob the Builder was, which I think Dan mentioned. Yeah, I said Bob the Builder.
Bob the Builder not only had a huge number one hit, I think second only to Telly Tubbies,

but Bob the Builder released a version of Mambo number five, which also sold 400,000 copies. So, sorry, did Bob the Builder rewrote Mambo number five?

Yeah, and changed the lyrics because it was non-child-friendly. The lyrics are the same.
It's all about women. Bob the seduced.

These are sexy men. Everyone's got to build a fantasy, you know?

Okay, so on Mambo number five, that was the theme tune to something else, which I always love this fact. That was a theme tune to one of Bill Clinton's Democratic Conventions in the early 90s.

And it was set to be like the proper walk-in, walk-out music until someone pointed out at the last minute that it did contain the line a little bit of moniker in my life.

Wow, that's an oversight, isn't it? From the internet. Lou Bega.
Yeah. Yeah.
Did you know where he's from?

I do. Oh, damn.

He's German, isn't he? He's German.

I mean, I just didn't know he was.

Did any all right. Can we count Richard out for a second? Did you guys know he was German? I don't fully know who he is.

Well, he's the singer of Mambo number five, which sounds like a very Latin song. It doesn't sound like a you know a Calvinist

rhythm. Mambo number funth, though.

A lot of those names, I've never thought about it. A lot of those names are quite Germanic.
There's Monica, Angela, you know, they're quite unusual names, but Helga,

a little bit of Brunhilde.

Yeah,

I think I know the oldest theme tune in the world, Canadown, is almost a thousand years old. The Archers.

That's, I mean, it's correct. He's won the money.
What is, what prizes he get? A tea towel or something? It's the archers. Oh, really? I was saying the archers is a very old show.

And it was a weird question because the joke answer is the same as the real answer in this case.

This is something that was spotted by Howard Goodall in The Story of Music. And he pointed out that there's a 12th century piece which is a Gregorian chant.
It was written, we think, in about 1198.

It's a Viderant Omnes or Viederant Omnes. And he is right.
If you listen to it, it is very similar to

it's a little bit more,

but it's there. Isn't that exciting?

And then it sort of stuck around as a theme in various tunes through the centuries and rocked up in Prokofiev at the start of the 20th century and then got into the archers.

Do any of you, I know one of you knows this, who wrote the theme tune for eight out of ten cats? Oh.

Rich knows that.

It was was one of the cats wasn't it it was someone from one of my favorite bands oh uh oh steps so um

uh

no a band not as good as steps yeah okay next best it was richard's brother matt osman from suede oh wow

yeah it's your brother's in sway why didn't we get him on

that's cool isn't it

he did that and it and uh with with a guy called alex lead who was in strange Love and Suede, now is in Florence and the Machine. Uh, and yeah, they put that together with it.

It's fascinating because he still makes money out of it today, obviously. And Cats does Countdown, which by and large is the Countdown theme music, but then continues with the drums for Cats.

But because it continues with that, he still gets money for it. It's nice, isn't it? Yeah,

the guy who does Weakest Link makes millions, millions upon millions upon millions.

We all know, everyone knows that's the key is to write a jingle that's used as a theme tune, and no one can ever do it. It doesn't always work, though.

So, for example, in 1973, I love this fact, the theme tune to Last of the Summer Wine was released as a pop single. Pop? Wow.
Well, certainly on, it was released into the singles chart.

And I say into the chart, it did not chart.

Yeah, I just think that's adorable.

Ronnie Hazlehurst, Richard, I imagine you know his name.

He came up with so many theme tunes. He was the BBC Light Entertainment Music Director.

So I'll just list a few. Are you being served? Reggie Perrin, Yes Minister.
Some others do have them. The two Ronnies, Blankety Blank, Generation Game.

You could spend a whole evening watching BBC output, and he would have done pretty much the whole thing. But after...

Oh, and he conducted

the British Eurovision entry seven times in a row. You know, great, great figure of musical composition.

But after he died, several of his obituaries mentioned this amazing fact, which is that he also wrote S-Club 7's Reach.

Well, no, hang on. He didn't.
He absolutely didn't. Of course he i'm gonna remember

it was just it had just been banged up onto his wikipedia page and that you know the times the independent the guardian all these papers just sloshed it right into their obituary

he did not write reach of course they wrote all their own stuff didn't they ask club seven exactly and alan hawkshaw did countdown too

And he, it's really nice.

Whenever you listen to Countdown, the theme tune is the sound of students being given grants because the royalties from it go to underprivileged students at Leeds College of Music.

If you listen to Catscar's Countdown, you know that 50% of the money is going to underprivileged students at the 50% is going into my brother's pocket.

Well, we do need to wrap up. Thank you so much, Richard.
Oh, it's great fun. We've been dying to talk to you as a for some

for a long time. So this is a big moment for us.
And can I just say from everybody, what you're doing, it sounds like, oh no, it's just a laugh, isn't it? 35 minutes, 35 people.

To do what you're doing is incredibly difficult you know just you know and i know you're doing it all through the night and stuff like that you know you're brilliant we all know that and week after week you turn out this incredible podcast and to do 35 interviews of 35 minutes each i doff my cap to you everybody i please please please donate because this is four incredible people doing an incredible thing couldn't be more of a pleasure to be uh invited tonight thank you an honor as well and listen good luck i should be i should be watching not the whole thing so thank you so much for having me on oh thank you thank you for those kind kind words uh richard gosman everyone and we will be back in just a few minutes time with our next guest for fact number nine it is sue perkins stay tuned

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