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Hello, and welcome to another episode of No Such Thing as a Fish, a weekly podcast coming to you from the QI offices in Covent Garden.

My name is Dan Schreiber, and I'm sitting here with Andrew Hunter Murray, Anna Chaczynski, and James Harkin.

And once again, we have gathered around the microphones with our four favorite facts from the last seven days.

And in no particular order, here we go.

Starting with fact number one, and that's my fact.

My fact this week is that the Chinese government are planning on giving their national anthem a speed limit.

So

this is a plan at the moment.

They haven't enforced it yet.

Apparently, in the next month or so, a paper will be proposed to enforce this.

They believe that the anthem is being abused by the people singing it.

Really?

Yeah, yeah.

They've called it a damaging situation.

They're saying it's not universally respected and cherished.

People are laughing when they're singing.

They're singing too fast.

They're singing too slowly.

Are they singing too furious?

Yeah, they're singing.

So the song is called March of the Volunteers.

Right.

It's originally.

Although anyone not volunteering will be in trouble.

It originally appeared in a movie soundtrack.

Did it?

Yeah, it was part of a movie.

The movie was called.

You're now not allowed to fast-forward that movie anymore.

Yeah, it was in a movie called Children of Troubled Times and it was actually quite a political movie and the song was written specifically for it and what ended up happening was people started singing it and it caught on more and more and people thought this would make a good anthem so it became the official anthem.

How are they going to deal with the laughter issue?

Because you can still laugh at tempo.

Have they got any plan to

come up with?

Yeah, there's going to be

you're going to get dressed down basically.

You'll be criticised and corrected.

Or put in more casual clothes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So it's like Muffty Day.

No, it's different because dressed down Friday isn't when you come in and just get told off all day.

It is when I do it.

But interestingly, the Chinese government, they banned their own national anthem three years ago from all sorts of places.

So they said you're not allowed to sing it outside major sporting events or formal diplomatic occasions.

So you're not allowed to sing it at your wedding if you want to or at a funeral or anywhere which has apparently an inappropriate atmosphere.

Right.

Do weddings and funerals have particularly similar atmospheres?

My idea.

So Germany banned their own some of their own anthem, didn't they?

Oh yeah, did they?

Wait, you mean like a bit a bit of the song?

Yeah, they banned the first couple of verses because it was associated with the Nazi regime and there was that really embarrassing moment.

I think it was last year or a couple of years ago.

It was a US-Germany football match, like a friendly football match, I think, and there was an opera singer there from America called Will Kimball, who was singing as a mark of respect to the Germans, the German national anthem, but he started singing the lines that were associated only with Nazi Germany.

Which is Deutschland, Deutschland, Über Alles.

Yeah.

Which, when you hear those words, you do think immediately of Hitler.

That's the version I've been singing this whole time.

Is that really not the version anymore?

Yeah, you're not meant to sing that.

It's in German, I didn't know.

I don't know what I'm singing.

It's because the only words you know really are Deutschland, Deutschland.

And Über means good, right?

Good, yeah.

So it sounds until you get to that level, it sounds like quite a good lyric.

What's the word that tips it over?

There's no word that's bad, it just means Germany, Germany overall.

It's just like the fact that Hitler itself is not a bad sound, but the association now with Hitler the man

made it a name you probably hopefully won't call your child.

And in the same way, the national anthem was often sung by the Nazis, so now it's got those bad associations.

Speaking of people who

made national anthem faux pas,

is it faux pas or faux pas?

Faux pas, I think.

Have we ever mentioned about opera singer Tony Henry, who sang the Croatian national anthem before England v.

Croatia?

And instead of singing Milakuda si planina, meaning my dear, how much we love your mountains, he sang milakura si planina, meaning my dear, my penis is a mountain.

Oh

there was an Aussie

Formula One winner.

We spoke about him on the show.

Do you remember his name?

I can't remember his name off the top of my head.

Australian Fox.

car.

Yeah, who won it on foot.

Oh, yeah.

Jack Brabham, was it?

Yeah, Jack Brabham.

I think it's him when he won the Formula One once, and they realised they didn't have the Aussie national anthem because they thought it was God Save the Queen.

And so they were like, God, what do we do?

And all they could think to do was find a drunken trumpet player who just played happy birthday.

That's amazing.

In Luxembourg, not in Luxembourg, in the Olympics in 1952, Luxembourg weren't expected to win anything.

And they won the 1500 meters, I think, and they got gold.

And the band who was supposed to play all the anthems hadn't been given the score and didn't know the Luxembourg national anthem because they'd all assumed that Luxembourg wouldn't win anything.

And there's a you can see a bit of it on YouTube, but they just improvise the whole thing.

They just completely make it up.

It's like when an actor puts on his resume, yeah, I can speak Hungarian, yeah, definitely.

And then he gets to the casting.

I was looking into music in China generally.

Now, in terms of record sales, where do you think China sits rank-wise worldwide in terms of people who buy music?

Interesting.

Do you mean, are we including things like streaming and stuff like that?

Just basically spending money on music?

No, spending money on music.

I'm going to say, because they've got a billion people that are at the top.

Or at least in the top five, I would say.

They're 12.

They're 12 in the world.

And largely that's to do with piracy that they've only just started to crack down on.

But they're only starting to boom now because of this crackdown that's gone on.

But if you look at their lists of best-selling albums, it's still really back in the day where.

So, what do you mean?

It's like they only listen to stuff from the 80s, like Bon Jovi.

Well, it's just nothing's taken.

So, it's mainly Chinese artists and Korean artists and Taiwanese artists that you wouldn't have heard of.

But, number four best-selling album, physical album of all time in China is Titanic the soundtrack.

Yeah, so we're talking 1998 or 1912, depending on when

which soundtrack you're talking about.

Just

live recording of people screaming.

Just the band going down because they carried on playing, don't they?

But wait a minute, but our best-selling single of all time, at least until recently, was White Christmas.

So it's not like our best-selling songs are all new, is it?

No, no, but it's because people just weren't buying.

They were buying pirated albums.

I have a question.

Yes.

When Bon Jovi introduces himself, do you think he says the names Jovi, Bon Jovi?

And then he pauses and then he says John Bon Jovi.

So he does it in three steps.

I think he bought it.

Is Bon Jovi, is Bon his middle name?

This is what I'm trying to get at.

Is it his real name, first of all?

Don't know.

No, I don't think it is.

But if it is, it must be his middle, because it's not hyphenated, is it?

So it's not a double-barreled.

I don't think it's mother Bon is Mother Jovi.

Isn't it lowercase, though?

The Bon.

No, no, it's uppercase.

Do you think that when Jacob Reesmog introduces himself, he says, the name's Mog.

Reesmog.

Jacob Reesmog.

Yes, I do.

All right.

Well, yeah, in that case, maybe he does.

Because I imagine those two are the same.

I like the names Mog very much.

Mog the cat.

Did you know that in Tang Dynasty, China, so just over a thousand years ago, I think that was, then you were supposed to greet and bid goodbye to people by improvising verse on the spot whenever you did it.

If you were an educated person, you had to improvise a bit of poetry.

How did you do the improv?

Did you ask for a word?

Just a non-geographical location, like a school or.

School!

They've actually just banned some songs, haven't they?

Or I think, sorry, I think in 2015 they banned some songs.

So the Chinese Ministry of Culture released a list of 120 songs that are banned for being immoral.

And just on that list, there was included a song called College Self-Study Room, which is about a guy having a difficult time finding a quiet place to study for university.

Banned for being immoral.

Wow.

What does he do instead of study?

I didn't actually understand the song because I'm not fluent.

I'm just trying to think what immorality there might be in this song.

So you think he gave up on trying to find the study and ended up masturbating instead or something.

It's like he can read by mind.

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Okay, it is time for fact number two, and that is James Harkin.

Okay, my fact this week is that in 1921 78% of shaving brushes sold in New York contained anthrax.

And did it make it froth better or why were they putting that in there?

It wasn't put in there on purpose.

It is the fact that shaving brushes used to be and sometimes still are made out of badger.

And they used to get high quality badger fur from Russia and then they would disinfect it in France.

But then around the wartime, they stopped sanitizing it.

And badger hair is actually okay because it's not that susceptible, badges aren't that susceptible to anthrax poisoning.

But when Russia fell apart a bit, we had to start importing horse hair from China and Japan.

And horse hair is much more susceptible to anthrax, and so suddenly that became an issue.

Yes, you're right.

And what people thought at the time during the war was that there was diabolical tactics of the enemy they said it was down to, but then they realized that it wasn't anything to do with that.

Occam's razor is the simplest thing.

We're not cleaning our hair properly.

Occam's razor.

Love it.

Because you're shaving.

Yeah.

Interestingly, these brushes are still a problem.

Yes.

Because people love to buy antique shaving brushes or anything to do with.

Well, people like to collect vintage things and they like to use it, hipsters mainly.

And they'll be using these brushes.

Why are they hipsters all have beards?

Because they're aware about the anthrax situation going on

after they lost some key hipster members of their party to anthrax.

Do you know, just on shaving, how they used to train barbers?

Well,

so you can't take them to someone's face immediately because they have a sharp object.

Exactly.

So was it on an animal?

It wasn't on an animal, although that would have been good.

Maybe there was some animal training.

I'm sure there was.

Was it on an arm?

You do it on your arm.

That's a good idea.

Was it on dead-bearded people?

That is good thought.

That's a good thought.

You do an apprenticeship at the morgue.

Actually, that would be quite good at the morgue, although, if you made a mistake, you wouldn't know about it because they don't bleed.

You're right.

That is the thought.

That's why they ended the policy.

I'm the best barber in the world.

No.

Okay, what else could it be then?

Something with very thin skin.

Donald Trump.

Testicles.

I'm going to let you practice.

I thought that was thicker.

Well, they're delicate.

We've got a trainee, Barbara, in today.

Would you mind whipping your balls out for us?

Then we will do the face, I promise.

It's his first day, but he's been great in the theory modules.

Something with thin skin.

Eyelids.

Oh my little.

I'm going to put you out of your misery.

Balloons.

What?

Hairy balloons.

Hairy balloons.

Not hairy balloon.

Which just sounds like testicles.

I had no idea.

Balloons.

So balloons start off hairy and all the ones you get spin through the trainy varma.

Right.

So do you put, you must put hair onto the balloon.

No, you don't.

You put hair on.

You put shaving foam on.

I saw a British pathé film from the 50s.

Talking about the training process.

They draw a little face onto the lid.

It is a good idea though isn't it?

Because if you nick them they pop.

If you nick them they pop.

I'm like the corpses.

It could be a bloated corpse with a lot of hair inside it.

I know you paint the face on and then you put the shaving foam on and then the trainee has to scrape it off.

Right.

Yeah.

Oh god that's really interesting.

Yes.

How do they do it now?

I don't know.

Well, there's so little call for it these days.

Oh, well, yes, but, you know, there's hairdressers nearby here that does shaving, don't they?

So I had my beard done, but not a clean shave, not with a razor, but yeah, what they do is they have someone standing over and they train someone to do it, and you just have to accept whatever happens.

They just say this might not work.

How is your testicle these days?

Do you know how you shave in space?

I think it would be just as easy as

not out of space, but as not in space.

I think I know a bit of the answer to this, but uh sh should I say it?

Or what?

Yeah, go for it.

Is it that you do normal shaving with a buzzer, but you have a vacuum cleaner next to your head and you suck in all the hairs or you vacuum your face as you

don't fill the air with hair?

Exactly.

This is what they have to avoid.

They have they have this special really sticky shaving foam.

It's called Astro Edge, right?

And it sticks to the face, but it traps stubble in it.

And then you have to well actually you can just sort of like wipe that into a bag or something and then incinerate the bag.

But when you have your haircut in space, you have to have a vacuum cleaner next to you.

That's it.

When you have your hair, you snip, snip, and then suck, suck.

Yeah.

I don't know what kind of hairdressers you go to.

In shaving news, in recent shaving news,

so since December, there are cats in this small town in Virginia that have been being taken away, having their bellies shaved, and then returned to their owners, otherwise unharmed.

And no one knows who's doing this or what's happening.

Police say they're not sure what crime has been committed.

It's upsetting the owners, so can the perpetrator please stop?

I suppose it's someone who can't get hold of balloons.

Okay, it is time for fact number three, and that is Andy.

My fact is that the cargo hold of the largest plane in service is longer than the first flight of the Wright brothers.

So, how long is it?

It's pretty long, Anna.

Pretty long.

Okay, on we go.

I wonder if, because they didn't go very high, the Wright brothers, either.

So, I wonder if they could have actually done the whole flight in there.

I think they might have been able to do it.

I mean, they've had so much.

Their first flight was 120 feet long.

Yeah.

Okay.

And how long is this cargo hold?

As I said to Anna,

it's quite long.

Let's talk about some other statistics.

The whole plane measures 275 feet in length.

In length, yeah.

Okay.

So that's about 100 metres.

Yep.

Which doesn't sound that long.

84 metres.

But it's very wide.

And how long did you say the Wright Brothers thing was?

120 feet.

Okay, so that figures, doesn't it?

Yeah.

God, that doesn't sound that long.

Because I thought that was the long, the biggest plane that's about to overtake this one is being built by Paul Allen, who's the co-founder of Microsoft, and that is going to be,

apparently going to be wider than a football field.

Oh, no, but this one is

wider than a football field.

Well, that's unbelievably wide.

It's very wide.

A football field is between,

I think you're allowed between 50 meters and 100 meters for width of a football field.

So

these are meters.

So, Andy's plane that you're talking about

is 275 feet in length.

Yeah.

And its wingspan is 290 feet.

There we go.

Oh, wow.

It's wider than it is long.

Yes.

So I think I wrote.

I've just realised that when I was thinking about width, I forgot to include the wings.

Yeah.

Which is why I should never design planes.

Right.

You've made a car.

That's what you meant.

But I was including wings.

Well, that's not that impressive.

Okay, as you were.

And there is only one of it.

It's the amazing thing.

They've built one.

There is a second one, which they've been working on for 30 years, on and off.

Mostly off.

Anyway, sorry, it's called the Antonov AN-225 Maria, which is a Ukrainian plane.

And it can fit 10 tanks inside or 50 cars, depending on what you need to move around.

So its maximum take-off weight is 640 tons.

Yeah.

Wow.

I mean, that is.

So I checked out a few things that are about that weight.

Christ the Redeemer statue is about that weight in Rio.

And you could strap it on top, like with the arms over the wings.

Well, it looks like an aeroplane, doesn't it?

It does.

It does.

It's quite wide if you include the arms, which Hannah probably doesn't.

Wow, that weighs 640 tons.

Wow, that is incredible.

So, actually, if you had a plane carrying that, you wouldn't even be able to get a pilot in there because you'd already be exceeding the weight limit.

Yes, Chrysler would have to be flying the plane himself.

You'd have to chop off like a finger or something.

Not even that.

Not even that.

That haven't kidnapped him then.

But

that's the take-off weight includes the weight of the plane, I think, doesn't it?

Yeah.

So actually, it will be too heavy to carry.

Is that including the pedestal of the Christ the Redeemer?

Because it's mostly pedestal.

I'm not sure, actually.

Awful if it's not, and you did include the pedestal.

I guess it just wouldn't take off.

Yeah.

So here's something that you could carry, possibly.

The volume of this cargo hold is 46,000 cubic feet, and that is approximately the same volume as the second largest tree in the world.

Now the problem is the tree is tree shaped and the cargo hold isn't tree shaped so you'd need to chop it up a lot.

Right.

But you theoretically could chop it up and get it in if you put it nicely in like Tetris.

Turn it into a book or a series of books and have it as a library.

Speaking of books, do we have a book coming out soon?

They do in November.

Made from the biggest tree in the world.

I'm not sure I want it if it's made from the biggest tree in the world.

No.

Yeah, you do.

Transported here by the biggest biggest plane in the world.

No, it's not a good thing.

It wouldn't work right through the surface.

It wouldn't work because you add water to make paper, don't you?

I was reading about the world's biggest private jet.

Okay.

So the world's biggest private jet.

It's been bought by Prince Al Saud of Saudi Arabia.

He's a Saudi prince, and he has...

done some extraordinary things to it.

So it's ginormous.

It can fly 800 passengers.

It can go 8,000 miles before refueling.

But obviously it's his own private plane.

He doesn't want 800 people on there.

So he's transformed the plane into this incredible mansion-esque house.

It's got a cinema in there, it's got a steam room in there, it's got the most impressively of all, it's got a prayer room where all of the mats that are on the ground are electronic.

And no matter where you are in the sky, they electronically turn towards Mecca.

So when you go into pray, it's facing.

That is pretty clever, but what if you're hovering directly above Mecca?

They just kind of go vertical, do they?

Yeah, I hadn't thought of that.

That's true.

Trump's private plane is pretty pimped out as well.

He did an interview before he became president where he was talking about it and he said, describing his own plane, it's bigger than Air Force One, which is a step down from this in every way.

It's not bigger than Air Force One.

Don't know why he said that.

It's much smaller than it.

It's because he's a pathological liar.

But the president has her private fleet of planes, which are not Air Force One, right?

So we all hear about Air Force One, but actually,

there's a set of planes.

They're four special Boeing 747s, and they are called,

together they are what is known as the National Airborne Operations Center, right?

Where Air Force One is kind of ceremonial and comfortable, these planes are basically war rooms.

Right.

And so they were built in the 70s and they're staffed by, you know, military analysts and strategists.

And it was if you were in a nuclear war, you would be flying around in these things, not an Air Force One.

Why aren't they allowed to be comfortable?

Because you need to fit more soldiers in.

And they have five-mile-long antenna which trail behind them, right?

No, they don't.

Yes.

And there is a

trailing wire antenna.

Oh, yeah, with a banner on it, one of those advertising banners.

Make America great.

Listen, I'm quoting, there was a whole feature about these on Politico.

It said the planes included special gear, like a five-mile-long trailing wire antenna, that would ensure that the president could remain in contact with the nuclear submarine fleet even after ground-based communications had been destroyed.

It's not attached to a submarine, though.

No, no, no, not a submarine at the other end pirouetting through the air.

No, but if ground-based communications have been destroyed, you need a very long antenna.

Yeah, five miles is a long antenna.

It's very long, but what's behind you?

As long as there's no one flying in the five miles behind you, and you're moving so fast through the sky there won't be.

No.

I just don't get why you're denying this thing, which I have a direct signal.

I just think five miles is a very long antenna.

It's an extremely long antenna.

So that's going to collect radio signals.

No one's disputing the length of the antenna.

How high are you up in the air when you're in a normal fight?

Because maybe they attach a message to the end of the antenna and they point it downwards.

So you just grab a piece of paper as they fly by.

Oh, I mean, yeah.

You're actually, all right, five miles is very long.

Because five miles are so long.

Are you normally five miles up in the air?

If you're 30,000 feet, that is what, 10,000 yards.

Yeah.

And how many yellow?

1760 yards and a mile.

So it's about 5,000.

It's about five miles.

So it's just trailing along the floor.

Quick spell SOS in the sand.

So, do people have to jump out of the way of it when it comes along the ground towards you?

Look, I think we've ascertained it wasn't used,

smartasses like you guys can keep on asking clever dick questions about it.

Do we think maybe Trump said it was five miles away?

You know, North Korea has a plane that can fly backwards.

No, it doesn't.

It does.

Is it called the hummingbird?

It's a very tiny plane.

This is A, it's really cool because it's camouflaged, as in it's painted.

It's so well camouflaged, no one can see it.

No one's ever seen it.

It's disguised as a backwards plane.

This may look like a plane going forwards, but actually, it's a backwards plane going backwards.

Thank God the enemy are flying away.

Oh, no!

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Okay, it is time for our final fact of the show, and that is Anna Chacinski.

My fact this week is that poo on a table will look closer to you than it actually is.

And this is just if there's poo on a table and you think it's only a meter away, it's actually probably like just over a meter away.

And then we all thought you were being really weird downstairs when you put that on the table, but actually, some first-hand research.

Just testing it out.

Yeah, I read this on the website Nautilus, which is a very good website, and there was an article about how we perceive distance.

And I think it was a study that was done by someone called Janine Stefanucci, who's a professor of neuroscience in Utah, at the University of Utah.

And yeah, it said that she put kind of a blob of chocolate on a table and led her study subjects to believe that it was feces

and then made it look like feces.

And then they thought it was closer than it actually was.

So that actually is quite an ethical experiment, isn't it?

She's decided.

not to put actual poo on the table she has well then she's lied to people is that ethical white lies are fine i think yeah yeah i see what you mean.

But yeah, this is about how if we're afraid of things, then we perceive them as being closer.

And loads of studies have been done that confirm this.

If you were to try and throw a bean bag at a poo,

then you would be likely to miss it on the far side, you throw it too far.

Whereas if you were going to throw a bean bag at something nice, like a bar of chocolate that didn't look like a poo, then you would miss on the short side.

And they've done experiments where people haven't done that.

No,

I'm just extrapolating slightly, but

they've done experiments where they would give you a $25 gift card and ask you to throw a beanbag at it.

And they found that people were always short of that because it's desirable and they think that it's closer.

I mean, that is, if anything, that's a telephone app just waiting.

to happen.

You're right.

Throw the beanbag at the poo.

No, no.

Well, yeah, we could do it that way, or we could do it just with like gift cards and stuff.

Because the thing is, no one really wants to win the poo, so it's hard to know what the prize is at the end of the throw the beanbag at the poo game.

You don't have to, you can win the $25, it just is hidden in the poo.

It's basically we have all these boxes from deal or no deal, right?

They're probably just in a warehouse somewhere.

So we can get them, and if we get the million-pound box and then get people to try and throw beanbags into it, they're always going to be shot.

Yeah.

So we never have to pay anything out, and it's a great format.

Although, Andy raises a really good point.

If you put poo around the voucher, so and you know there's a voucher in there, but you can also see that it's covered in poo, do you see it as closer or further away?

I suppose that's where the jeopardy comes in in our format.

What's the show called again?

It's throw the beanbag at the million pounds covered in poo.

I think it's an ITV2 show isn't it?

Spiders look bigger if you're scared of them.

Yeah.

Yes, that's right.

And in direct proportion to how scared you are.

Exactly.

And they tested it by getting people who were very scared and then only slightly scared of spiders and they showed them a sliding scale.

So literally a sliding scale you you could drag a little clicker along.

And there was a picture of a fly at one end and a lamb at the other and you had to rate the spider.

But surely people who are really scared of spiders, I don't care how scared you are of a spider, you don't think it's the same size as a sheep.

I think it was very slightly further along.

Right, okay.

I believe so.

In other science poo news,

very exciting study has been published.

James and I were talking about this the other day.

Scientists have finally worked out how long it takes animals to poo.

Oh, yeah.

Finally.

Finally, finally.

Well, we've cracked so many secrets, but this last one has eluded us for so long.

Well, 2016 was the year that we cracked how long it takes them to urinate, and 2017 is a fantastic sequel.

What next year?

What horrible thing will we discover next year?

But they studied a bunch of animals, right?

So this applies to both, let's say, something as big as an elephant all the way down to something as small as a mouse.

They both spend 12 seconds.

That's amazing.

So, from the size of a spider to the size of a spider.

Yeah, so this is

the researcher, Patricia Yang.

I guess this should technically apply to humans as well.

Because she's saying if it takes longer than 12 seconds, I'd say you should go see someone about it.

But then she says you have to factor in the fact that you might be reading a book or a newspaper or playing an iPhone game or doing on the table for an experiment.

They published their scientific paper in a journal called Soft Matter.

Yeah.

Yeah, so yeah, it's quite an exciting discovery.

And

is it the same as the urine discovery as in all animals?

It's the same for, regardless of size.

Is that the discovery?

All mammals, yeah.

And obviously there's quite a big difference.

But I think David who, who did the urine one, is part of this.

group as well.

And the idea being that with humans, if you have a problem with a urinary or defecation or something, then you can kind of just talk to the doctor and tell him but with an animal it's sometimes hard to tell if there's a problem but if your animal if you've got a horse and it's taking 40 seconds to we or two seconds to weed then that's so far out of the range that you know there's something wrong do you know what I mean so it's just a way of telling illness or so it's useful science yeah it's useful science yeah

and uh 12 seconds just an interesting relevant amount of time for this particular podcast anyone know why 12 seconds have we only been recording for 12 seconds?

12 seconds is the same length of time that the Wright brothers' first flight was.

Wow!

I flew for 12 seconds.

One of them start pooing and they talk

land as it landed.

Okay, that's it.

That's all of our facts.

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