16: No Such Thing As A Ghost In Poland

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We ran it on QI a few years ago. Yeah.
Which was there's no such thing as a fish.

Hello and welcome to another edition of No Such Thing as a Fish coming to you from the QI offices in Covent Garden. My name is Dan Schreiber.

I'm sitting here with three other elves, Anna Chaczynski, James Harkin, and Anne Miller. And we've got on fact-checking duties today, Alex Bell.

And once again, we've gathered around the microphone to share our favorite facts from the last seven days. So in no particular order, here we go.

Fact number one, James.

Okay, my fact is the world record for most kicks to one's own head is 127 in a minute.

Jeez, so more than two a second. That's more than two a second.
That is

a lot of kicks. How did he do it? Well, there's a video on the Guinness Book of Records website, I think.

I think he's like kind of a martial arts guy, and he's very supple and

fast and

possibly stupid and possibly slightly mental. But that means for him to do that speed, he has to be going like literally.

Pabble, papa, papa, pabble.

Is he related to Roy Kirby, who I know is the guy who's broken the Guinness World Record. He's also a martial arts guy for the hardest kick to the groin.

He took a 22 mile an hour kick to the groin with 1,100 pounds of force and didn't register any pain at all. Oh, he said.

He's built up a pain thresholder.

Apparently they do it in a certain, there's a certain type of martial art and I can't remember what it's called, where basically you run hard objects over your muscles every day and it sort of pulverizes the nerve fibers and causes fractures to the bone and then when they heal, the body compensates by adding extra calcium to you, which means that you stop feeling pain.

Here's a newspaper article that I found, which is somewhat related to Anna's fact.

A 28-year-old man who claimed to be acting out of curiosity when he asked seven women to kick him in the groin was sentenced yesterday to 60 days in jail.

One of the women, afraid of what he might do if she refused, kicked him repeatedly. Oh my god.

The guy thanked her and left on his bicycle. Which had no seat.

So the court asked his wife what she thought about it, and she told the court that she was at a loss to explain his conduct and she said, I can honestly say I find it as odd and peculiar and disturbing as everyone else.

I wanted to look more into this guy, Joel Leindecker. He's the guy who kicked himself in the head 127 times.
He's broken his own record a number of times.

So on one of the occasions he was interviewed by someone and they said, can I see an example of you doing this? And he said, yeah, sure. And so he did it.
He only managed 80.

But what was great was the interview afterwards. The interview is going, wow, I don't know what to say after seeing such a spectacle.
How do you feel? And he was breathing heavily.

He's like, I'm really exhausted. It's really tiring.

And she starts trying to interview him, and he just keeps getting more and more concussed and out of it.

Yeah,

she says, so how often do you do this? And he's like, well, I pretty much only do it when I know that I'm going to be making a record attempt. I don't really practice in my spare time or anything.

Sorry, can I get a second?

I'm really lightheaded right now.

she goes sure sure don't pass out he bends down hands on knees takes deep breaths i might actually have to sit down or something would you mind if can we do this interview inside she basically is just totally concussed off the back of it and the first time he did it he did it with shoes on and he didn't know that he should have done that so now he does it with either socks slipper socks yeah he should wear slippers you're right no he does it barefoot or with socks on i imagine the interview would be like so how do you feel about kicking yourself 127 times in the head he's like what are you talking about?

Who are you? Who am I?

There's another Guinness World Record champ, and he's called Ashrita Furman. And he was born the year the first Guinness Brooker World Records came out.

And he holds the Guinness World Record for holding the most Guinness World Records.

So he's had 533 and 189 are still active.

And they include pogo stick jumping underwater, popcorn sculpture, balancing most eggs on head, MMs eaten blindfolded with chopsticks, and drinking 200 milliliters of mustard. Wow.
Wow.

So, the really serious records is breaking this.

Does it include this one? Longest distance pulled by a horse while on fire.

Yeah.

I've seen that guy. Yeah.

Yeah, he was dragged 1,551 feet while on fire by a horse.

I think the funnest world record to break is the most rotations hanging from a power drill in a minute, which is 148. It was in 2008.

But isn't that fun? So this guy just attached a power drill to the ceiling, held onto it, and just span around on it for a minute. I want to start doing that recreationally.

That is great. The grossest one I found was furthest distance of squirting milk from eyes.
Nice. Oh, wow.
279.5 centimetres. Why is milk coming out of your eyes? Shouldn't you see someone about that?

Yeah, people do it by because their sinuses are all attached and they snort it through their nose and shoot it through their eyes. I think students do it.

I had a friend at school, he could put a whole cocktail stick up his nose. Don't do that.
They can kill you.

That was his party crazy. Alfred Kinsey could put a whole toothbrush up his penis.

crystal and first at home either what really yeah he's a sexologist Alfred Kinsey from the I don't know what is he from the 50s or something

yeah yeah yeah his party trick was to put a party trick who wants to see that wait wait I've got a great deal here the guy who got women to kick them in the balls was arrested I hope he was arrested at some point should we invite Alfred to the wedding well

can we search his bag on the way in if there's a toothbrush in there no way in 2009 Jonathan Lee Riches filed an injunction against the Guinness Book of Records, seeking to stop them from naming him as the most litigious individual in the history of mankind.

Brilliant.

We might have to bleep his name out of this podcast. Yeah.
That's brilliant. Evil Knievel used to have a lot of world records.
Do you remember him?

He would jump over buses on a bike and stuff like that. As far as I can see, I think there is one record that he still owns.

This is really hard to Google, but I think there's one thing that he still owns. Can you guess what it is? Most bones broken.
Is correct. Is it really? Yes.
Yeah, right.

Yeah, I just, that's one thing that I know about him because you watch videos of him and it's, it's, it's actually, in terms of Schadenfreude, the funniest videos online.

Because you see this man like just like, yeah, I'm going to own it. Look at these buses.
I'm going to go right over them. It's going to be awesome.
And every single time

he just collapses and just flies across the ground. The guy who has, relatedly, the guy who has the record for the furthest ever flown in a car crash was Matthew McKnight.

It was in 2008, and he flew 118 feet.

But while he was recovering in hospital, his doctor brought him the forms design, the Guinness Forms design, to prove that he had flown further than anyone else, which I just think is a very unsympathetic doctor move.

Like a couple of days, he broke like all of his bones. But not enough to get that record.
Yeah, not as many as evil can evil. Yeah.
Correct. We should try and think up a record that we can break.

Well, here's one that we could break. Yep.
The most Ferrero Roches eaten in one minute is 10.

Oh,

there are quite big.

10 in a minute, I reckon. Is it like crackers? They draw your mouth out so you think it's easy.
Or is it cinnamon?

In the middle, they have like it's kind of like a little bit of a clean. It could be 10 in a minute.
Yeah. Yeah, Alex, have you got anything to add before we wrap up?

Yeah, I did find that in 2006, the man who holds the world record for spending the most time in a cage with centipedes married the woman who held the same record, but with scorpions.

Oh, that's good. That was great.

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Okay, it's time now to move on to fact number two and. Yes, there is a bear in the Pyrenees who is facing castration because he has fathered nearly all the other bears.
Aww, that's a bit harsh.

I think it's harsh. Well done.

I would say well done him. He's amazing.
He's called Pyros. And there are about 30 bears and there are only four other males and none of them have followed any bears themselves.

But the problem is officials don't like it because they're worried that he's ruining their gene pool basically.

And there was recently a bear born that was his daughter and his granddaughter and they started to get a bit worried that this is problematic.

The problem with Pyros is bears generally stop being sexually active around 19 but a Pyros is 26 and still going. Wow.

Are the bears becoming increasingly more deformed?

I think a bear always looks pretty good so you probably can't tell they're deformed under all their fur. Well Pliny didn't think that was true.

He thought when when a baby bear was born it was completely shapeless and that they got into their bear shape by being licked into shape by their mother.

I think everything when it's brand new is quite a strange shape and then they start getting more of their shape when they're yeah that's a good excuse.

I'm not sure what his excuse was for saying that they had very dim eyes when they're born and the way that they get their eyes better is to allow bees to sting their faces

to improve their eyesight. I was I got very interested in the idea of this bear because I didn't realize that their sex drive was so high.
So I did a very quick Google on it. I didn't get very far.

What did you Google? Horny Bears. Gosh.

Bear means something very different in the gay community. Which I didn't, I completely forgot.
I did know that, but I completely forgot.

So just anyone out there, if you do click horny bear into Google, don't then click on the link that says my favorite hot and horny bears. Certainly don't do it at work.

Imagine that we're all completely misunderstanding this news article. Oh, yeah.

Oh, dear. Okay, there's a bear in the Bible.
Well, there's a few, actually, but one of them I like.

The biblical prophet Elisha once cursed a group of children who teased him for being bald. As a result, they were mauled by bears and killed.
Yeah, I love that story.

Because it's something ridiculous, like 42 kids. Like, it's a lot of children.
And they're like, baldy, baldy. And he's like, right, fine, you're going to get killed by bears.
Yeah.

So, do you know what you have to do if you're attacked by bears? I think we covered on this. It's a witch.
It's a black bear, isn't it? Yeah, that's right. What's that?

So you might be attacked by a brown bear or a black bear. Yes.
The problem is that brown bears are sometimes black and black bears are sometimes brown, so it's hard to tell.

If you're attacked by a brown bear, then you should play dead. But if you're attacked by a black bear and you play dead, you'll almost certainly be killed.

Yeah, these dude interests are like, well, oh, yeah, and they're just like,

this is so much easier. I also be like, I want a chase.
I don't need to just lying on the bottom. Pirates should shag us.

Probably shag you, yeah.

Peter the Great trained up two bears.

He had two white bears to serve vodka to his guests, and if they didn't accept the vodka, then he would train the bear to harass them, which I think might explain Russia's vodka problem, because you're not going to turn down vodka from an angry bear.

What do you mean, harass them? I think just to acknowledge you. Come on, mate.
Come on. The other thing is, a white bear is presumably a polar bear.
Yeah.

My favourite kind of bear is a spectacled bear. They actually have markings like they're wearing a pair of glasses.
They're amazing. If you haven't seen them, look them up.

Isn't Paddington based on... That's what I was going.
Because they are the only bear found in South America. So Paddington, by default, must be a spectacled bear.

But of course, we know he's not a polar, but I like the idea of Paddington with glasses. And Paddington was originally going to be from Deepest, Darkest Africa.

But the problem with that is there are no bears in Africa. There's no bears.

Yeah, that makes sense. Is it true that Byron had a bear? Yep.
Yeah. So that's true.
We've discussed this in the podcast, actually. But why?

Any time that I've seen

news about this bear, the one thing that doesn't come up is the name of the bear. Oh.
How do we know that he had a bear, yet the name of the bear has not made it through?

One more bear thing I didn't know was that during the Cold War in the 1960s, Americans tested their supersonic jet ejector seats on bears. Oh god.

And they fired bears out of the ejector seats and then tested how safely they landed.

And they survived actually, but then they had to put the bears down to study what had happened to their spines and what had happened to their internal organs. What?

So they were launching bears out of airplanes. Yeah, there are pictures.
These bears look pretty terrifying. How did they get a bear in an ejector seat? Yeah.
They must have been drugged.

They were drugs.

So we did the thing on qi about the pig face ladies which was actually a shaved bear in a dress yeah and they used to get the bears really drunk before they shaved them yeah that's insane hey do you know what a uh it's either the pronunciation is tap it or tapare i'm not sure what the pronunciation is associated with bears do you know what that is t-a-p-p-e-t

I don't think I know that word. It's basically the blockage that is created when they go into hibernation.
Like a butt plug of hair. It's a butt plug.
Yeah, a butt plug of hair. That, yeah.

It's amazing.

For seven months they can sleep. They don't eat, drink, urinate, defecate.
How do you do that? Seven months?

By plugging up your butt.

My mind's blown by hibernation. Yeah, no, they do.
They don't hibernate. They go into topa,

which is slightly different. But some female bears can give birth while they're asleep.
What? Yeah. Wow.
It's not all of them, but some of them do. They must have a seriously high pain threshold.

I think they just pass out drunk for a full seven months. That kind of explains that.
And they do like alcohol well. Vojczyk the bear loved beer, didn't he?

Vojczyk, who helped the Poles in World War II, carrying artillery back and forth. Okay.

But his favourite drink was beer and he loved a cigarette. This was a bear.
Yeah, Vojczek the Bear. He's really famous.

I think there's a statue of him in Prince's Street now in Edinburgh because he spent the rest of his days in Scotland, I think. Good place.

Well, we've also got that penguin at Edinburgh Zoo, Niels Olaf, who's

the Norwegian guard? Yeah. A knighthood?

We are going to have to move on. Alex, have you got anything you want to add? Only that Byron's bear was called Bruin.
We know his name. Oh, okay.

Bruin is just a name for a bear, though, really, isn't it?

It also just sounds like a misspelling of Byron.

Sure.

I didn't write that down wrong at Cambridge.

Okay, it's time to move on to fact number three, and that's my fact, and that is, Poland's only official ghost hunter thinks that ghosts have given up on haunting humans. Oh, yeah.

Now, it's amazing that Poland has an official registered ghost hunter to begin with. Yeah.

Secondly, he's very dispirited because he thinks that we've become all too skeptical and that ghosts are no longer interested in humans.

Or it could be that he's a very, very bad hunter and he just can't find them because he's a rubbish hunter and he's blaming it on them disappearing. That's very true.

I mean, I know that in Bhutan there's an official Yeti hunter.

Yeah, yeah, and he's been working for the king. He's under his second king now because the new king took over and he's been working with him for something like 20 odd years.
And nothing.

Yeah, but what he said is the reason we haven't seen any is that A, they have the ability to turn themselves invisible.

Secondly, he says that they have the ability to take their feet off and put them back on the other way around. So when it looks like they've walked one way, in fact, they've gone the other.

Very sneaky. It's very hard to tell where a Yeti's gone.
Well, I've been to Bhutan and they have a Yeti sanctuary, don't they? They do.

Yes. They have a Yeti park.
It's an actual Yeti park where there are like park rangers who look after the the Yetis.

So when you say an official ghost hunter, is this like a government-sanctioned post?

I mean, presumably, he's just a private guy and people pay him to go and hunt for ghost hunters. Yeah, I think that's what it is.

And people have stopped paying him now because they don't believe in ghosts anymore and he's a bit pissed off. So he's decided to claim that the ghosts are angry with people.

I think they might have gone to Wales because last year the Welsh Police Force received 13 reports of ghosts up from only two in 2010. Only Polish immigrants?

Is this what people are talking about when they say that? I can say that because I'm half-ponish.

But as well as finding 13 ghosts in Wales, South Wales Police also got reports of three zombies, two werewolves, two vampires, and six witches. Wow.

I think they're on like a paranormal road tour because Nottingham in 2011 said in the last six years they'd had 34 cases of ghosts and they also had 46 witchcraft and three UFOs, all of which turned out to be Chinese lanterns.

Yeah, Chinese lanterns are often the most mistaken object for a UFO. They did this huge breakdown of everything that people thought was a UFO and what it actually turned out to be.

And Chinese lanterns was way up. Right at the bottom, 2% of all UFO sightings turned out to be the moon.

Do you know about the big ghostly frenzy that happened in London back in 1762? I do not. Okay, this is the story.
It's called Scratching Fanny of Cock Lane. Oh, yes, I do know.

Scratching Fanny of Cock Lane is amazing. Just for anyone who doesn't know it.

In 1762, there was a public frenzy in London over the ghost of Fanny Kent scratching and knocking coded messages from behind a wall of a room where she lived.

The owner of the house sold tickets so that you could witness it, and stall holders sold refreshments to crowds who were gathering outside, so it was a really big thing.

The Duke of York came to see it. Samuel Johnson came.
He did a seance there, but he debunked the whole thing. Wow.

And the noise turned out to be made by an 11-year-old girl called Elizabeth, who was concealed behind the wooden board and was doing it with her corset.

But this is the interesting thing is that obviously throughout history people have reported poltergeisty kind of things

and a surprising fact that I read is that it's mostly associated with pubescent girls around 11 and 12 years old. Which is why in all the movies like Exorcist it's always a young girl.

But James, do you know anything about that? Like is there any research? I know some history of it.

You know how sometimes people say if it's if they're trying to talk to a ghost they'll say knock once for yes and twice for no.

That came from some sisters. I can't remember their name.
I think they might be the Fox sisters or something.

And they were tricking their parents by setting up a load of levers, which would make bangs underneath a table just for fun, really.

But then suddenly all the neighbours got involved, and then suddenly it became really famous across the country. And then eventually they admitted that it was all a hoax.
But yeah, that's where that

once and twice knocking thing comes from. Okay, right.
But there have been a few over the history young girls doing things like that.

Yeah, in the Enfield-Poltergeist case, which was an 18th-month-long ghost haunting that happened up in Enfield in London.

We had a guy on the upcoming series of Museum of Curiosity who he's a sceptic, but he studied it all.

And his point about it was the only thing that they said as what could be the explanation was that the girl in question, who was a young 11 to 12-year-old girl at the time, was that she was very clever.

But he doesn't buy that as an excuse because he thinks... That was Will Starr, wasn't it? Will Story, yeah.

But you can see, you can see, because like in your story, the not one and two knocking, that's an 11-year-old girl.

In the story of scratching Fanny at Cock Lane, that's a yeah, that's an 11 to 12-year-old girl. Maybe 11 to 12-year-old girls are incredibly clever.
Maybe that's it. They might be.

There's also they're quite susceptible to hysteria.

When you get things happening where large groups of people all believe something which isn't quite true, or all get hiccups, yeah, all get hiccups, or all get a laughing fit, or whatever.

Often it does turn out to be pubescent girls. Makes sense.
Based on what you know of adolescence. Yeah.
The beginning of adolescence, you're very impressionable. And

there's a history of people assuming hysteria in girls. Can I tell you about Scottish ghost turtles? Yes.

When I was really young, my mum basically put me off them for ages because she told me she saw an ad in the local paper for a jumper ooter.

Okay, Alex, have you got anything you want to add to this before we move on?

Only if anyone is interested in looking up the origin of the knock once for yes, twice for no, the sisters were called Margaret and Kate Fox. Oh, they were fox.
Yeah, it was fox. Hang on.
Foxy girls.

I just want to quickly add that this guy in Poland, this official ghost hunter, is very upset with the situation, does want it to change.

He has a 24-hour hotline that you can call him on if you have a ghost that you'd like to report because he complains that very few people now take ghosts seriously.

So even if they do have a paranormal experience, they tend to ignore it and are reluctant to contact him.

And his name is Poita Shalkovitz and if you want to get in contact with him there is a hotline or you can email him on ghost underscore hunted at vp.pl what he thinks that people are just they see ghosts but they don't care enough these days you see a ghost and you think whatever I'll just get on with my day yeah the thing is about ghosts apparently is most of them are not like see-through people who are people in sheets or whatever they're just normal looking people which makes me think they probably are normal people yeah yeah that means I see ghosts all the time

yeah You guys, for instance. And what's Bruce Willis doing in the corner of the room?

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All right, time to move on to fact number four.

That is Chasinski. Yep, my fact I found out this week in a recent New Scientist is that fallout from the Cold War is being used to solve murders.

Okay, explain. Right, so nuclear testing of the US and the USSR USSR between 1952 and 1963 caused a massive spike in the carbon-14 isotope.

And it's the type of carbon that you measure the degeneration of when you're carbon dating to see how old something is. Okay.

So there's this sudden spike in the atmosphere of carbon-14 and it was spread all over the world.

And then as soon as the weapons ban came in in 1963, it started declining again.

So you can tell when something died by comparing how much carbon-14 in their body uh to what they call the bomb curve which is the gradual decrease of carbon-14 in the atmosphere since 1963 you can tell when they died so okay that's how you date someone's death so it's actually been really useful i just like the fact that like in hundreds of thousands of years time they're going to look at our bodies and we'll be the cold war generation because our bodies have you know worth twice as much radio kind of all superheroes yeah

do you know what the perfect um thing for forensics is apparently it's glitter glitter yeah the reason is that glitter sticks sticks to you and you can't get rid of it no matter what.

And because people just accept it and it's there, they don't really care about it. So they just leave it on themselves for days and days and days.

And apparently, it's if you commit a crime in a circus, for instance, or in a child's birthday party or something, then they can use the glitter to be able to.

So if someone comes and assaults you or murders you, you should always keep a little box of glitter so you can throw it over them at the last minute.

Yeah, it'd be like smart water. It's interesting as well.
There must have been a big period where people were testing out new methods like forensics and fingerprints and so on.

And we've adopted them as kind of absolute truth now for a lot of them.

Fingerprints, I know, is actually slightly queried because every different country has different requirements for what makes up a match of a fingerprint.

So in France and Australia, they need 12 identical points to make sense of a fingerprint, whereas in Italy, they need 16.

And in America, it just varies from state to state of how many identical points. They're just like, he's got fingers.
Yeah, he's the guy. Yeah, that's our man.

But fingerprinting somehow has made it through. But there's other ones.
Back in the 1970s, there was a lady called Dr. Louise Robbins,

and she was at the University of North Carolina. She declared herself to be the world's only footprint identification expert.

And she claimed that she could not only identify the shoes, but the person who had been wearing the shoes as well. And as a result, 12 people were sent to prison.

And after her death, a panel of 135 forensic experts reviewed her work and realized that it was just absolute nonsense.

Eight people went to prison. Twelve.
Twelve. Yeah.
Wow. Um actually I have a really good member of solving a crime.
There's a I love this story.

There's a twelve year old called Jessica Maple and she went on a uh summer camp called be a junior district attorney and then um her grandmother had died a few years ago and people broke in and stole stuff from her house and so she used her skills and outsmarted the police and found the guys that she um went to the house, found a broken window and fingerprints that the police had missed and then she told them and then while they were work following her lead she found she found a local pawn shop that had all her grandma's stuff in it and then they had managed to identify the guys who'd taken it and she was 12 which just was like

so just junior district attorney yeah

i have another thing about kids and uh this is about nuclear stuff there was um a boy scout in america called david hahn and he earned his merit badge in atomic energy presumably by answering a quiz or something like that or making nuclear pawns well that's what he decided to do he decided he had a badge and so he was going to build a nuclear reactor and so he collected small amounts of radioactive material from household goods like smoke detectors and built himself a nuclear reactor in his shed.

Wow. And the police accidentally discovered it when they were looking for something else.
The U.S.

government commandeered his mother's house, decontaminated it and buried his shed in the desert in Utah. Wow.

Oh, my God. Well, they took his whole shed to the desert.
That's like up, but like with radiation

down.

Wasn't there a guy in England recently who became the youngest person to build a nuclear reactor? And I might have have made that up, so maybe Alex could check it.

I think he lived in, I want to say Slough. It was somewhere that sounds comically bad.
Really glamorous.

A 13-year-old boy called Jamie Edwards

who made it at school. Yeah.
Yeah.

Apparently, it's illegal to move sheep in Wales until they've been checked to see whether they carry traces of the fallout from Chernobyl as well. Really? Yeah.

On this particular subject, I've got a question for you guys. Oh, yeah.
Why shouldn't you buy trousers from the northern Ukraine? I don't know.

Why shouldn't you buy trousers from the northern Ukraine? Chernobyl fallout.

Ladies and gentlemen, that is the joke.

Yeah, just so you know, just as a little inside bit of behind-the-scenes information here, Anna has consistently for the last, what, 14 podcasts said that same joke, and we've cut it out every single day.

Has refused to have it in the podcast. This is a day.
And you will not hear it in this one either, unless someone else said it. It's the best joke ever.

Alex, do you have anything to add before we move on? Yeah, the thing about sheep in Wales being radioactive is right.

All the sheep in the highest pastures still are exposed to the highest levels of cesium.

And so they will have to be tested and regulated before they go to market. So for those people left still shagging sheep, stop it.
It's very dangerous.

No, yeah, I'm not sure they do that. James, don't ruin my fantasies.
Because if they did, the knobs would fall out.

Okay, that's it. That's the end of our show.
Thanks everyone for listening.

If you want to find out anything about the stuff that we've been talking about, you can actually head over to our qi.com slash podcast page where we're going to have all sorts of videos, maybe a list of records that you could break, an update on whether we actually did the Ferrero Rocher experiment, some great evil Knievel videos where he gets tossed around,

so to speak,

some ghost imagery perhaps,

and a picture of Pyros, the horny bear, without actual horny bears that I saw on the internet this morning.

Okay, that's it, really. If you want to talk to any of us about the things that we've said during the course of this podcast, you can get us all on our Twitter handles.
I'm on at Schreiberland. James.

At egg-shaped. And.
At Miller underscore and. Alex.
At Alex Bell underscore. And Anna.

If you email podcast at QI.com. Yes.
Hashtag getAna on Twitter. Yeah.
Sigh. Someone made the argument that

if you don't have Twitter, how can you see the hashtag? So, what we've done is we've printed out all of the tweets and posted them around Anna's desk.

We're shoving them. We're going to talk some to me.

Okay, cool. Thanks so much for listening.
We'll be back again next week with another episode of No Such Thing as a Fish, and we'll catch you then. Goodbye.

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