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Speaker 2 Hi, everyone. Welcome to the second ever episode of Little Fish.
Little Fish is a show where we list your facts, things that you've sent in to the podcast at QI.com inbox.

Speaker 2 Andy has sifted through them and he has found the very sweetest plums, sent them over to the rest of us, and we're going to go through them today and chat about them. Are they true? Are they not true?

Speaker 2 Do we know more about the subject? Have we never heard of any of these words before in our life? We will see as we move on. So So, who is going to do the first fight?

Speaker 2 It can't be me because I did the intro. It has to be one of you two.
Oh, go on.

Speaker 2 I'll throw a plum your way then. Jump in.
Let's do it. See how sweet you find it.
Yum, yum, plum, plum.

Speaker 2 My page.

Speaker 2 Sorry.

Speaker 2 One of these days, one of these catchphrases will pay off, honey,

Speaker 2 and everyone will be saying yum, yum, plum, plum. There'll be the new 6'7.

Speaker 2 You'll see, James, when I'm opening nightclubs around the country shouting yum, yum, plum, plum.

Speaker 2 Right, this is from the unimprovably named Nathan Gallimore Strong. I think, friend of this parish.
I think we may have heard from him before. Oh, yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 But he says, the windiest place in the UK is the butt of Lewis.

Speaker 2 That's it. Thanks, Nathan.
There you go. And it's basically,

Speaker 2 it's on the Isle of Lewis. Lewis and Harris.
Harris and Lewis. And the butt is on the very, very northern tip of Lewis.
And during this trip, he also rode his first funicular railway.

Speaker 2 So congratulations, Nathan. Oh, very good.
It's a little bit contentious, this fact. I did do some follow-ups.
I always thought it was further north.

Speaker 2 So is it Cape Rath or something that's in the far north of Scotland? I always thought that was the windiest place. Well, I think on average, Shetland is windier.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 So it's been that, but the butt of Lewis has been named by the Guinness Book of Records a few years ago. So they have their methodology.
I still consider Shetland to be part of Denmark.

Speaker 2 Oh, because you, yeah, you have, well, controversial political opinion. And if you're listening, Danes.
Is it Denmark or Norway? There was one of them where we got it as maybe a dowry or something

Speaker 2 from some Scandinavian country. But the rules were that they were allowed to buy it back at any stage.

Speaker 2 Like when we first got either Shetland or Orkney, they said, yeah, you can have it, but as soon as we can get 12 marks together, we're going to buy it back.

Speaker 2 So, and I think it's still true that in theory, they could buy it back if they want. Really?

Speaker 2 I didn't know that. Okay.
Well, so if you're listening, Vikings,

Speaker 2 get the money together.

Speaker 2 How windy? How windy is this?

Speaker 2 It's really windy.

Speaker 2 The thing is, how do you measure how windy something is? You know, is it average speed over the year? Maybe for me now, because I live by seaside, I could judge it.

Speaker 2 If I saw where Margate lives on a list,

Speaker 2 then I think I could then judge it by personal experience.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, because it's quite windy where you are oh it's wild the wind in margate is insane and it comes out of nowhere like we had this amazing

Speaker 2 you can't see it coming

Speaker 2 we we were sitting one time in margate there's these things which are called the steps that go onto the beach and you often sit

Speaker 2 Lots of beaches have their damage. Incredible.

Speaker 2 If you've ever been to Rome, they have a Margate tribute which is called the Spanish Steps.

Speaker 2 Oh, well, there you go. See, yeah, it's coming up, Margate.

Speaker 2 So we were sitting on what felt like a normal day, and we were with our neighbors.

Speaker 2 These seagulls get coming and eating our fish and chips. And Chloe did this thing where she picked up the final few chips and she threw them out to the ocean.

Speaker 2 And just at that moment, this giant gust of wind came, blew the chips to the left, right onto a couple that were kissing on the steps. And about 12 seagulls just darted into them.

Speaker 2 She had to run after them going, I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry. And they were literally being attacked by these gulls.
Is that a true story? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's one of my favourite moments. In fact, I have a photo.
Well,

Speaker 2 that sounds very windy. Yeah, so that's how I'd be able to tell.
But the strongest gust ever recorded in the UK was at Cairngorm Summit in 1986.

Speaker 2 Which is a mountain in the Highlands. In Scotland, yeah.

Speaker 2 Which was 173 miles an hour.

Speaker 2 I think that's the strongest

Speaker 2 any individual gust has been recorded. But I think in general, it's normally Shetland that is the windiest on average, I believe.

Speaker 2 I know, I know.

Speaker 2 You'd be lifted off into the air, wouldn't you? You'd be lifted off in the air. Oh, yeah.
Don't wear your big coat.

Speaker 2 Thank you, Nathan. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Great fact. Okay, here's a fact from Josh Glendening, who says, a soldier who spent too long on the toilet because of an upset stomach caused the start of World War II.

Speaker 2 So do we know about this incident? Okay, this was called the Marco Polo Bridge Incident.

Speaker 2 It was 1937, often considered to be the start of the Second Sino-Japanese War, which then evolved into World War II.

Speaker 2 And so the story goes that in the 1930s, Japan had invaded and put in a puppet government and named it Manchuria.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So in July 1937, there was a Japanese private, Shimura Kikojiro, who was stationed near the bridge and he went missing.

Speaker 2 So a few soldiers accused the Chinese military of having taken him and were holding him hostage. And so they started climbing over the walls.
to find him.

Speaker 2 They started asking questions and getting a bit of an aggressive response. And it just kind of built up tensions.
Meanwhile, this soldier comes back after a while saying, sorry, my stomach was gone.

Speaker 2 I had to dip into the forest and just relieve myself. And in that time, enough of a fight started that it went into a full-blown war, war.

Speaker 2 I feel like we've missed one or two steps here. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, there's probably some political things happening. There were a few political things.

Speaker 2 Also, there's another theory that he was visiting a brothel, that he hadn't gone to the toilet.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 a lot of historians, but this has been poo-pooed by a lot of historians. Poo-pooed to a history of

Speaker 2 the idea that this was staged so he was told to go away so that they could pretend he was missing so that they could find an excuse to go in.

Speaker 2 I've heard this story before, and I think it rings relatively true. The basics are true, aren't they? Really? I read

Speaker 2 a couple of years ago, I read Sir Anthony Beaver's History of the Second World War. Oh, did he mention it? He says

Speaker 2 this is the exclusive course.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, yeah. He says

Speaker 2 everything else would have been absolutely fine.

Speaker 2 18 chapters on this guy's dodgy tummy,

Speaker 2 just a little bit. And then there was a skirmish.

Speaker 2 Does he go into the Sino-Japanese or does he start in 1939? Oh, no, he goes into extraordinary detail about

Speaker 2 whole the whole global nature of it yeah yeah and it starts with the soldier actually page one is about this soldier who i think he was from korea or or uh he gets drafted into the japanese army when they invade and then japan locks horns with china and then he's taken prisoner after some fight by the russians and then he ends up he ends up serving in three or four different armies always being pressed into a different army over the course of the war it's an absolute nightmare scenario for him and it's he's used as an example of how this war affected absolutely everyone in the world yeah yeah but it his his account is sort of grimly funny.

Speaker 2 And then he was taken prisoner by the Russians, and it just goes on and on and on like that.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Like the forest gump of war.
I suppose so. And this guy, your private, Dan, was taking a forest dump.

Speaker 2 That's why you get the big bugs, Andy.

Speaker 2 Yum, yum, plum, plump.

Speaker 2 Okay, my first fact comes from Ian Jones, and he says, I am a pediatric surgeon. That's not his fact.
fact.

Speaker 2 His fact is about the Fannenstiel incision. You give me a load of German.
You gave me some German ones last week as well. Nice.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And German is not my first, second, third, or indeed 193rd language.
But this incision is one that this person did. It's basically the

Speaker 2 most common way of doing a cesarean. But you use it for some other surgery down there.
But it's in the shape of a panhandle and it's on the bikini line.

Speaker 2 And it gives you good access to the pelvis and stuff like that. Now, the incision is called Fannenstiel because Fannenstiel in German means panhandle.
Okay,

Speaker 2 but the surgeon who first described it was called Hermann Johannes Fannenstiel.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 he invented it. It has the same name as him, but according to him, it's named after the fact that it's the shape of a panhandle.

Speaker 2 Now, Ian Jones's personal theory, which I agree, is that he deliberately drew the incision in the shape of a panhandle so that he could name it after himself.

Speaker 2 People do do this sometimes, don't they? Wasn't there an element of the periodic

Speaker 2 gallium, and it was named after a guy who's...

Speaker 2 So he said they named it after France.

Speaker 2 Yes, Gaul. Gaul.
But actually, I think he was called Lecoq. That's something similar, which is chicken.
And

Speaker 2 gallus gallus is the Latin for chicken. That's it.
That's it. So, yeah, like people do do it.
And to be honest, it's such a coincidence. I've never seen the word fan and stiel before.

Speaker 2 I mean, what if actually the surgery would be much better and easier to conduct if it was a completely different shape that doesn't look like a panhandle? Yes.

Speaker 2 It could be that, you know, in all these years, people who are having cesareans are having the wrong shape just because of his. Well, we should look into that.
That's insane.

Speaker 2 That's really, that's a really good fact. That's very good.
And great theory. I can give you more on surgeons.
Yeah? Yeah, go on.

Speaker 2 Jean-Casimir Félix-Guillon

Speaker 2 was born in Réunion.

Speaker 2 He came up with a new way of removing bladder stones through the perineum. But he's more famous for being the probable inspiration for this song Frere Jacquer.

Speaker 2 No way. Wow.
My little one sings that non-stop at the moment. Do they know that it's about removing bladder stones through the perineum?

Speaker 2 No, but we never get to the third verse of the song so i'm so what are the lines you get ferojacca ferojacca

Speaker 2 dormevous

Speaker 2 mattina sonny le mattina ding dang dong ding dang dong so is that we've had a patient come in complaining of severe

Speaker 2 it's the sound of the bladder stones falling into the pan it's the ding dang dong

Speaker 2 good good

Speaker 2 is the perineum the bit in between the anus

Speaker 2 and the genital and the other genital opening. What's the grundle?

Speaker 2 That might just be you, Dan.

Speaker 2 I thought that was another term for that. I've never come across that.
Have you not?

Speaker 2 So the band that does our theme tune, Empre Yes, Ash, who wrote our song and sings the song, he was originally in a band called Grundle. And I'm pretty sure it was to...

Speaker 2 There's Aussie slang. No, no, no, no.
All right, Mr. Schreiber, let's get you up on the chair and just have a quick look at the Grundle, sir.

Speaker 2 Oh, you've got a bad case of the fairy sharkers there, mate.

Speaker 2 Don, let's have another fact. Okay, here's a, here's not so much a fact,

Speaker 2 but a great pub quiz question. All right, so this is from John Dunn.
He says, my favorite pub,

Speaker 2 the metaphysical poet,

Speaker 2 he said, my favorite pub quiz question is, and here's a question now, and I'm going to ask it to you two.

Speaker 2 What are the furthest north, south, east, and west states of the United States? Come on, mate. Yeah, you're okay.
I think I was born yesterday. All right, so let's start.
Let's start with South.

Speaker 2 What's the Southest? Southest? Southest.

Speaker 2 I'm going to say

Speaker 2 Dakota. North Dakota.

Speaker 2 It's a trick question.

Speaker 2 The question is North Dakota. Okay, well, for me, it has to be North Carolina.
Okay.

Speaker 2 No, it must be Hawaii. It is Hawaii.
Oh, very good. Correct.
What is the northest

Speaker 2 state?

Speaker 2 I think that has to be South Dakota.

Speaker 2 Okay, playing seriously for a second, I'll say Alaska. Correct.
Okay. It is Alaska.
It is. That is correct.
Okay, so one each.

Speaker 2 Westist.

Speaker 2 Westist.

Speaker 2 I would say

Speaker 2 Alaska. Correct.
It is Alaska. Oh.
Yeah. Interestingly, it's got north and west.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so, okay, that's 2-1, but you probably might have said the same.

Speaker 2 I would, and also I'm going to get the next one right. Okay, so I'll give this one to Andy.

Speaker 2 Most east-est.

Speaker 2 I feel like it's going to be a trick, but I'll say.

Speaker 2 West Virginia.

Speaker 2 West Virginia.

Speaker 2 No, I'll say one of those ones

Speaker 2 over on the far right-hand side. I'll say Rhode Island.
Rhode Island. Incorrect, Jane.
I'm going to say it's Alaska again. Correct.
Because the Aleutian Islands go over the international date line.

Speaker 2 Isn't that amazing? South is the only one, Hawaii, that is not claimed by Alaska. So north, east, west are all Alaska.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Okay, here's one. Kathy Oliver from Ontario, which is at least in the same hemisphere as most of Alaska.

Speaker 2 She said, my husband and I love your podcast and it keeps us entertained on drives to my various treatments over the last last two years.

Speaker 2 Which leads me to a fact idea for you: when you get a stem cell transplant, you will stink of creamed corn for a couple of days. Wow, okay.

Speaker 2 So, the stem cells are frozen using a substance called dimethyl sulfoxide, DMSO, and it stops them from getting damaged, but it has this peculiar odor that smells to most people like creamed corn.

Speaker 2 DMSO actually is very pungent, but to such an extent that you can taste it by touching it. So if I had a Petri dish of DMSO now and you put your finger in it, you'd be able to taste it.
Wow.

Speaker 2 And that's because it directly triggers the nerves that normally react to taste. That's insane.
Yeah. That's absolutely insane.
How many different foods does that work with? This is not a food. Okay.

Speaker 2 This is a chemical. And I don't know of any foodstuffs.
I guess garlic could do it like that, maybe? Because that seems to go through your skin, but that's just, I guess. I mean, I think that's...

Speaker 2 There was a theory about that. I remember you walking around with an onion in your sock to see if you could taste it for SQI research years and years and years ago.

Speaker 2 I've got two pictures for you off the back of this. Oh, yeah.
So, number one, there should be a Google for smells.

Speaker 2 That should just be a Google for smells. How do you,

Speaker 2 what do you search? As in, what do you type? You're not typing.

Speaker 2 Well, you're typing with your nose.

Speaker 2 So, what do you put in that you're trying to find?

Speaker 2 I haven't worked out all the details yet. Is it like Shazam?

Speaker 2 Instead of a phone, you hold a giant nose in the area where you are and it goes, mmm, baked crumpets. That's exactly what it is.
Very nice. Okay, brilliant.
That's good. Right, we've solved that one.

Speaker 2 I feel like I came up with that idea, really. Like, we were all in the room, three-way split.
Really great. Great work, everyone.
See you for the first set of quarterly results.

Speaker 2 Okay, so second idea off the back of that, the the touch restaurant, right?

Speaker 2 You don't eat anything, but you just go in and you put your fingers through holes in the table into various different foods that you can then then taste.

Speaker 2 Right? Okay, but the only thing on the menu is DMSO.

Speaker 2 So far. So far.
Maybe some garlic. But you've got to wear it for a month.

Speaker 2 But I think it would be good if we can find enough foods that you can taste through your fingertips. That'll be awesome.
I've got to say, I'm in on the Shazam nose.

Speaker 2 Andy, I'll let you develop this a bit more before committing. I'm sharing it with you guys three ways, no matter what, including the debts.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 I just want to say to everyone listening to this, I'm happy to share my Shazam nose with everyone who's listening to this. We can all have 0.001%.

Speaker 2 That's really generous. But one of you listening will have to make it.

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Speaker 2 Yeah, I've got one here.

Speaker 2 So this is from Edward Malloy,

Speaker 2 who says, this is their favorite fact. Norwich is the only city in history to be excommunicated.

Speaker 2 In 1274, after a riot in the cathedral, Pope Gregory X excommunicated the entire city until they repented and repaired the damage done to church property.

Speaker 2 Clearly, it has had a lasting effect as Norwich norwich is now the least religious city in england per the 2011 census is that right kind of right i looked into it

Speaker 2 it's almost right i looked i didn't fully um get an answer to the excommunication but norwich is very much not a religious city anymore it's interesting because there's a saying about norwich which is that it has a church for every week of the year and a pub for every day um so a lot of churches that must be norfolk right there's no way there's 36

Speaker 2 churches in Norwich alone. Maybe there is.
Maybe. Maybe.
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
I take that back. Just a saying.
I don't think there's exactly 365 pubs either. But

Speaker 2 it's the LA of Norfolk. I would say Norwich.
Right. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 It's the megacity of Norfolk, isn't it? Of Norfolk. Oh, yeah.
There's Kings Lynn, of course. Oh, yeah, of course.

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 2 that's fair. There's Kings Lynn.
Well, a census was done in 2021, and it showed that those who said that they don't have any religion, don't believe in any religion, was 53.5%.

Speaker 2 So that's 76,973 people, and that's a jump from a decade ago when it was 42.5,

Speaker 2 and that's 56,000 people. So it's the second least religious city in the UK.
Oh,

Speaker 2 there's a town or city. Yeah.
Isn't it somewhere called Satan Satanford or something? I think that's the least religious. That's not a city, though.
No, No, it's not a city. It's a parish, isn't it?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 Do you know what I mean? I think it's got an amusingly apt name, the least religious place in the UK, but I can't remember what the name is.

Speaker 2 I would have, without knowing that little clue, I would have said most likely it would be somewhere like Brighton or Bristol, like somewhere where lots of cool young people live. So, yeah,

Speaker 2 sort of strongly secular.

Speaker 2 Do you want to have another guess, Andy? James has it right, but do you want to have another? No, I'm going to stick with Satanford, I think. Okay.

Speaker 2 Brighton and Hove. Wow.
Yeah, it had 55.2% of people declaring no religion. Gosh.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Aleister Crowley had his funeral there. In Brighton? Yeah, it might have something to do with that.
Was he from there?

Speaker 2 No, but I think he passed away in Hastings, and I think his body ended up in Brighton for some reason. He was cremated there.

Speaker 2 Not so far, is it? No, it's on the coast. Very windy.
Is it? Don't want to release those ashes. They're a couple making out.

Speaker 2 Here's one from me.

Speaker 2 I already have a bone to pick with andrew hunter murray it's episode two and i already have a bone to pick because you sent us these facts and listener think back to audience facts one when i said here's one from wayne hoyt or is it halt because it looks like it should be halt well this week i have one from wayne halt h-o-l-t

Speaker 2 I assume it's the same person and I assume one of them is a misspelling. I've got to track.

Speaker 2 Although I did have an eyesight check yesterday, and I need reading glasses. So, maybe you need to check.
Can you check? Is that a hoit and a halt? Yeah, it's a hoit and a halt. Right.
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 Wayne does write in a few times. He writes in frequently.
We have a few frequent flies in the fishing box. Does he change his surname every time he writes in? I've got to check.

Speaker 2 You've got to work on your pseudonyms, Wayne.

Speaker 2 What's the fact, James? Well, actually, the fact is to do with spelling.

Speaker 2 Oh, no. The fact is that in concerts, the band Devo

Speaker 2 sometimes performed as their own opening act to pretending to be a Christian soft rock band called Dove, the Band of Love, which is an anagram of Devo. Very nice.
That's really good.

Speaker 2 I'm really sorry, James. They're both from Wayne Hoyt.
Wayne Holt doesn't exist. That's not a real person.
I've mistyped his name. There will be a Wayne Holt out there.

Speaker 2 If you're listening, wayne well how's wayne gonna solve this situation wayne's only gonna confuse matters no if you're if you happen to be listening to fish and you're called wayne holt write in yeah let us know you exist yeah simple

Speaker 2 shall i do one yeah this is from jessica oringysen from texas and she writes that napoleon and lord wellington are kind of related and it's america's fault okay this is this is admittedly quite tenuous but the story is is that Napoleon had a younger brother called Jerome who visited the U.S.

Speaker 2 when he was in his late teens, and he eloped with a lady called Elizabeth Patterson.

Speaker 2 Then Napoleon wanted Jerome to come back and marry a European princess because it was part of his plan to consolidate power while he was conquesting territories, right? So he brought...

Speaker 2 brought Jerome back. Elizabeth stays, but then Elizabeth hops on a boat and Napoleon bans it from landing.
So she has no choice but to go and port in London. So that's where she lands.

Speaker 2 Jerome remarries, and basically they never see each other again. Wow.

Speaker 2 Now, the tenuous link that we've been given here from Jessica is that while she was in London, she was living with a lady called Marianne. Marianne was her sister-in-law.

Speaker 2 Marianne's husband dies and she remarries Richard Wellesley, who's the elder brother of Arthur Wellesley, who defeated Napoleon at Waterloo. Good lord.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Small world, isn't it?

Speaker 2 Einstein, I think it's a slightly bigger world than I was imagining.

Speaker 2 Okay, I mean, I was lost so long ago. Yeah, it's just about clung on till the end.
I tell you what, though, I did recently visit the room where Wellington died. Did you? Yeah.

Speaker 2 I went down to Walmart Castle in Kent. Oh, it's a good day out.

Speaker 2 It's really good. It's a proper, it's a proper castle.
It's 400 years old.

Speaker 2 It's not one of these sort of plastic castles that you get these days, you know, sort of like fake castles, which is just a stately home with a few turrets. It's Disneyland.

Speaker 2 You're talking about Disneyland. It's not Disneyland.
It's no, it's proper. And they had, there's a thing called being the Warden of the Sink Ports.

Speaker 2 It looks like it's Sank French for five, but it's not. It's Warden of the Sink Ports.
That's how it is. It does mean five, right? There were five ports.

Speaker 2 It does mean five, and it's spelt like the French for five, but it is. I swear to God, they pronounce it Warden of the Sink Ports.
Okay. I swear.

Speaker 2 Like, I went in and I said to the lady, nice to be visiting the sank ports. She said, sink ports.
Anyway, she probably said that a hundred times a day for 20 years.

Speaker 2 You don't want to be calling your port sink anyway.

Speaker 2 You're absolutely right. It's a crazy choice.
But there is this honorary position called Warden of the Sink Ports. And Wellington was that.
So was the Queen Mum.

Speaker 2 The old Queen Mum. And actually, when I visited, they had a Queen Mum lookalike there for the day.
Did they? Yeah. Along with a kind of...
That kind of work must be drying up a bit.

Speaker 2 Well, I made the sort of casual joke about Jin, and she looked so disapproving. Because, you know, the Queen Mum.
She loved her gin. She liked to drink.
My God, Andy, this was a tough day for you.

Speaker 2 First of all, you walk in and mispronounce sink pots, and then you make a perfectly harmless joke about gin to the queen mother lookalike and then i find out wellington's dead it was awful

Speaker 2 it was terrible but no he it's it's a really evocative ring because they've got this tiny bed it's this camp bed is a military camp bed that is still there from the day he died and he must have died in about what 1850 but he took this bed with him wherever he went like when he went up to london to be the prime minister that military camp bed went with him how interesting he slept on you know he slept in that bed in downing street and then when he became warden of the sinkports he brought the bed back to Walmart Castle.

Speaker 2 And that's the bed where he died. I went to the place where Napoleon surrendered, which is in France somewhere.
Is it Ile de Ray or somewhere? I can't remember.

Speaker 2 Or Ile de France, Ile de Ray, something like that.

Speaker 2 And I

Speaker 2 might be misremembering this, but I seem to remember that he had quite a non-ornate bed as well. Really?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I remember being there and thinking, oh, wow, for

Speaker 2 someone who's so important in history, what a shit bed. These military guys.

Speaker 2 I think it's the military, like they're used to the campaigning lifestyle.

Speaker 2 I saw the bed that Abraham Lincoln died in. Really? Yeah, it's when we were, it's when we were in

Speaker 2 D.C.

Speaker 2 And we had a bit of time off because he was shot in the Ford Theater, but then he was taken to a house. Not too bad.
He needed a little nap.

Speaker 2 That was all right. Just butter scratch.

Speaker 2 No, they brought him to a house. And so he died in a bed that was, his legs were hanging off the edge basically.
He was tall. He was super tall, and the bed was quite small.
And you can visit his bed.

Speaker 2 You can visit this. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Okay, hear me out. Okay.
Bed company. And we sell replica beds of like the great beds of history.

Speaker 2 And we're going to clean up on the finance bros who want to think that they're living like Napoleon or Wellington or Lincoln.

Speaker 2 I mean, those are three perfect examples of like beds of the greats, right? Yes. Like you too can conquer Europe.
with our 9,000 pound bed. Yeah.
Yeah. And we'll just sell them a military camp bed.

Speaker 2 What do you think? I love it. Okay.
All right. Well, if you're listening to this, you can have 0.001%.

Speaker 2 Okay, so I think that's enough facts for the day that we've been sent in, but we still have one more thing to do, and that is to name some custodians of the archive.

Speaker 2 So anyone who is in our top tier on Patreon becomes a custodian of a fact from no such thing as a fish. It's very exciting.

Speaker 2 I'm a custodian myself, if you remember listening back to episode one of this little fish.

Speaker 2 But there will be more custodians named today. We will tell you your name, which you might already know, and then we'll tell you the fact that you're the custodian of.

Speaker 2 So, Andrew, who is going to be our first non-fish member who is a custodian of a fish fact? I just want to say that was incredibly slick, Joe.

Speaker 2 And the concept of the shout-out is clearly very well embedded in your head.

Speaker 2 First up today for a shout-out is Rachel Knott, and her fact is the first ever sandwich that we know about contained wine.

Speaker 2 Congratulations, Rachel. That is now your fact forever.
Bilal the Elder.

Speaker 2 Is it who it was? Billel, Bilal, yeah, something. Bilal, namely.
And

Speaker 2 it was more of a wrap. It was more of a wrap.
It had like

Speaker 2 currents in or something, right? It sounds delicious. Yeah.
I think we said this at the time 11 years ago when we covered it on the show. Anyway, yeah, Rachel, that's your fact.

Speaker 2 And we went into Sandwich and the Elder of Sandwich, who we just covered again a week or two ago in a recording yes we did of course well we're on a big wheel aren't we are dan have you got one uh yeah this is a fact that is now going to belong to silas gill and that is in 2003 three people in mexico died of acne oh

Speaker 2 if you'd put a gun to my head and said you've got a thousand guesses as to the Christian name of the second ever person to become a friend of the podcast, Silas would have not been one of my thousand guesses.

Speaker 2 No, it's just a terrific name. Because I think, are these in order of the people who signed up?

Speaker 2 So, literally, I think Rachel and Silas had to have had their hand hovering over the Patreon button as the time struck midnight. Yeah, wow.

Speaker 2 And we should say, Silas is an especially fish-friendly name. Silas Mana.
By Friend of the Podcast. Samuel Taylor Coleridge.
George Elliott. That's right.

Speaker 2 Okay, so the third custodian this week, this is a Dan Schreiber fact.

Speaker 2 And the fact is that amongst the other scientists called Einstein, there are M. E.

Speaker 2 Einstein, who came up with a formula for predicting the composition of a pork carcass, and Rosemary Einstein, who co-investigated the use of cannabis, alcohol, and tobacco on 300 young persons at her university.

Speaker 2 Could have done with an edit, Dan. We're going to need a bigger certificate.
But drumroll, that fact now is under the custodianship of Helen Cosgrove Davis. Congratulations, Helen.
Nice.

Speaker 2 That was a great episode. That was a fact I took from a Mark Abrams book of the Ignobel Prizes, who James and I are going to be seeing tomorrow.
He's in London. We're on a big wheel.

Speaker 2 Along with Case Molliker, who did the paper about the first case of homosexual necrophilia in the Mallard duck. Yep.
And who raised awareness for pubic lice because they might be going extinct.

Speaker 2 It's going to be a spicy lunch tomorrow. Oh,

Speaker 2 as long as he's not cooking, I don't really mind.

Speaker 2 Oh, congratulations, Helen. That's the longest fact that's become custodianed so far.
Until the next done fact.

Speaker 2 Shall I round us off with one more? Yeah, go on there. All right, this is a fact that is now under the stewardship of Darcy.

Speaker 2 Mr. Darcy.
We can only assume. Fitzwilliam, if you're listening, congratulations.

Speaker 2 And it's one of my facts is that the first contact lenses cost as much as a car. Yes, you went to the museum, didn't you, to see

Speaker 2 the British Optical Association Museum? Those were the days when we used to do proper research.

Speaker 2 Episode two quickly ended that. Yeah, although we're on a big wheel, I went back there recently for a party.
Yeah. For a party? Yeah.
They were finishing their refurbishment of the museum.

Speaker 2 It's really good. It's in the basement of the headquarters of the British Optical Association.
And they invited some celebs along. And they also had no, so they invited me.

Speaker 2 Who are the other big celebs who are at the party?

Speaker 2 I can't name names. I'm sorry.
It's very much an eyes wide shut situation. Everyone was in masks.
Ironically, considering they're optometrists. Brilliant.

Speaker 2 Does everyone wear masks with eyes wide shut? They do. Okay, good.
In Serdon scenes, not the whole way through.

Speaker 2 That was very much a reach of a reference for me. You know, when you try and do a reference to something.
You mean like when you say Samuel Taylor Coleridge wrote Silas Mara? Silas Marner.

Speaker 2 Exactly, exactly. Because the thing is, normally in a podcast, I would say that and then I'd cut it out because I knew I got it wrong because I'd check it later.

Speaker 2 But I've referenced it twice now, so it's going to have to stay in.

Speaker 2 You've really shot yourself in the foot. Okay, well, they are the next four custodians of facts in the No Such Thing as a Fish archive.
Read the names again, Andy. It's Rachel Knott.

Speaker 2 It's Silas Gill, Helen Cosgrove Davis, and Darcy. For absolute legends, the first four people to sign up for our friend of the podcast tier on Patreon.

Speaker 2 And you too can get your name mentioned on this show if you sign up to that tier. But for now, it is time for us to say goodbye.
So bye, Dan. It's goodbye from me.
And it's goodbye from him. Bye.

Speaker 2 Bye.

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