Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood

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When we got to know each other, Steve Glover, you came in with a lot of stories that I didn't know about, about what you had done.

I'm not here to confront you over whether you had ever driven a car under the apology.

Oh my goodness, like the police are waiting outside.

Do you have a power ranking in your mind of like,

young Steve?

Irresponsible.

Man, when I was like...

When I first came into college, I got super

drunk, like with my friends.

Is it Georgia Tech?

yeah

there was like a club next to it that we like went to by the time i stepped in there i was just wasted just from like pre-gaming and they literally threw me out they were like this kid is like a liability my friends were like they like picked me up like jazz from

fresh print

to like threw me out to the club And then my friends brought me back to my dorm and then like my RA like saw them put me in there and he was like hey what's going on and they just like ran and left me

it makes you scared for like the future and their own kids a little bit because you're like oh man you look back and it's like lucky that you kind of made it like somebody said something

the other day about like thinking about The fact that you're here is like all these people behind you like survived, you know?

And it's like, that is kind of crazy when you think about it it was probably somebody down the line one of my ancestors who had a similar experience he got like super drunk and almost got kicked by like a horse who just like barely missed he's like whoa

that was close

like you're just barely making it over and over again

So the people who have been subscribing to this podcast from the very beginning, remember that my friend Stephen Glover, who was a screenwriter and rapper and actor and producer, was our guest on the fifth ever episode of Pablo Torre Finds Out, in which we found out that Steve and his older brother, Donald, invented the concept of memes as children in the 90s and are also currently working on a secret Lando Calrissian Star Wars movie for Disney, which immediately made news when he said it on the show in 2023.

But Steve is also the guy who accepted in 2017 two Writers Guild of America awards for Atlanta, which remains my favorite television show of all time.

I gotta say, after winning the second one, I'm jaded already.

This town's not that great.

Everybody here thinks they're so hot.

My agent took me to Dantana's.

Awful.

Nah, I gotta thank my agents at WME, Tom.

I love you, man.

I gotta thank my lawyer, Lev in the house, Lev Ginsburg, y'all know him, for taking me to a real restaurant.

Jesus.

I'm taking down a lot of people.

I'm sorry.

And so if you've never seen Atlanta, which also won a bunch of Emmys and Golden Globes and also mainstreamed Migos into popular American culture, Just know that what we're about to do here is talk about stuff like Donald racing Michael Vick and casting Liam Neeson and also this insane project from last year that involved both 21 Savage, another very popular rapper from Atlanta, as well as Dan Lebetard,

you know, my boss here at Metalark, which we'll explain.

But it is not like Steve has been able to make every project that he's ever pitched in Hollywood.

There's always one we talk about where we wanted to do a trailer for 56 nights to future

like mixtape.

I think 56 Nights crazy.

I think 56 Nights crazy.

Like a movie was coming out, basically, like about Futures' life story.

Like

just the idea of,

like, if you know the 56 Nightshades, well, please, for people that don't know 56 Nights, refresh our memory.

So Futures DJ and friend DJ Esco, well, I guess they were in like Dubai, ends up getting like detained by maybe like customs or whoever there.

And he's put in jail and he has all of Future's music, I guess, on his hard drive.

That's also confiscated.

So Future is without his DJ, and he also doesn't have any of his like songs that he's worked on.

So like the legend is he had to like start working

from scratch.

I like that that esco is like the guy with the nuclear football for the president if you lose this archive we are

rappers always have like things like that you know it's like this bag with my this unbacked up unclouded word songs

$700,000.

So future has to start from scratch.

Yeah, he's because Esco is

locked up, and there's no telling when he's getting out.

He did eventually get out after 56 nights, hence the name.

But on Night 55, it was real.

Night 55,

they almost got a new DJ.

They almost recorded an acoustic album.

The mixtape that came out and the subsequent run of music Future had supposedly was inspired by having to like start over again, which is kind of funny.

It's funny that rappers all have like this kind of same

like Christ-like story.

We would like make like a fake movie trailer for that, but we never got to do it.

Wait a minute, hold on.

You're acting like I'm so wistful for this idea we never got to do, where he made a fake movie for Future and instead had to settle for making a fake movie for 21 Savage.

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So, before we get to this fake 21 Savage movie, which I've been meaning to get to for more than a year now, you should also know that there is a thing that PTFO does share in common with Steve and Donald and their group of friends that I have been lucky enough to watch flourish in this industry as both writers and honestly, cultural critics over the last decade from up close.

Because both of us love stuff that is extremely smart,

but also extremely stupid.

I think that's a good way to put it.

It's like highbrow and lowbrow.

I think that like best describes like the kind of comedy taste.

Like even you, like me, Donald, it's like, you know,

it's like the Simpsons.

That's why we get along.

It's like we can make a joke about Mark Twain.

We can make a joke about that.

Do you, Huck, take Becky as your wife?

Hey, they done switched to groom with a pig.

No wonder he was pooping so much.

I say melting cheese on broccoli a lot.

Trying to melt cheese on broccoli.

That's what people want.

You got to mix the high and the low.

You got to mix the candy with the vegetables.

And sometimes, as PTFO has established as well, you also got to mix in a little bit of levitard,

as you will very vividly see over on our YouTube channel.

Which brings us back to something that, yes, I really did need to find out.

So the 21 Savage thing though, me talking about this is so overdue.

These people,

they think we're savages.

It's overdue for a couple of reasons.

One of them is that my boss, Dan Lebetard, friend and boss.

It's in that.

Yeah.

Is depicted in it by a guy who looks, I wouldn't say in a literal way exactly like Dan, but is spiritually exactly like Dan.

Just enough so that he couldn't sue us.

You know,

even if you have Tom on a feet.

Pretty much.

That could be anybody.

Except for the part where you said it's him two minutes ago.

Did I say that?

I think I meant that with Stephen A.

Smith.

The investigation that I went through on, like, so how is it that Dan Labetard and Bomani Jones, it turns out, were both depicted in the trailer.

How would you describe what I'm talking about?

What that project was for people, again, who did not get to consume it at the time?

The way we would explain it to somebody is like,

there was a video back in the day

for coolio

for gangsters paradise

a lot of movies had like the soundtrack you know song that was also had a video

and they splice in you know scenes where the musician is also in the movie yeah

michelle viper actually is in the video she does the backwards chair so they didn't splice coolio into a scene from dangerous minds they put michelle viper into the gangsters paradise world you know so that's

gangsters paradise the gangsters paradise cinematic universe

is the blueprint for this

as I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I take a look at my life and realize there's nothing left

I like how you're like explain this to people I'm like have you seen gangsters paradise if you're like no I'm like okay there's absolutely no way to explain this

which is pretty much how it was like you try to explain it to somebody they're like what you're like all right well I feel like you and Donald and all of our friends who work with you guys, Swank, Ybra, Fam, Chad, they're all mad when I don't say their names aloud when they listen to podcasts.

I say that you guys collectively like it when people are like, so this is a real movie for 21 Savage that you guys are making.

Memories in my head, the devil talking to me.

It's always a funny joke to us of

just playing something so like straight or close to it that it's there for a second, you're like, wait a second, is this real?

To us, that's always just funny, and it's a lot harder to do

than

I would have originally thought to make it to really get close.

I mean, like the goofy episode of Atlanta, the goofy documentary.

For people who haven't seen the goofy episode of Atlanta,

what is it?

Yeah,

so gangsters paradise, right?

No,

it's just basically a documentary telling the origin of the goofy movie at Disney.

And the documentary is named The Goof Who Sat by the Door, the Thomas Washington story,

which is already just like...

Pretty hilarious.

And why I think on some level, like, we are friends.

It's like, this is both the highest brow and the lowest.

Very, very

like a spook who sat by the door illusion in the name of a fake documentary on a fake black media network about Goofy.

It's a story so unbelievable.

It could only happen in Hollywood.

How did this young, black, unassuming animator from East Atlanta wind up as the CEO of Disney at the company's most powerful moment in time.

We just play it so close.

Like the belief is that a goofy movie is inherently a black movie.

It was just this idea of like, what if it was actually made by a black guy who managed to get in charge for like,

you know, just long enough to make this movie that's the blackest movie of all time.

We all voted for this guy named Tom Washington, but we didn't realize that Tom's first name was actually Thompson, not Thomas.

Thomas Washington was an animator.

People were pretty upset when they found out they voted for the wrong man.

So making this documentary that feels really real

to the point

where I'm like, yeah, you know, it kind of does feel like that's the truth, you know?

He knew that people thought Goofy was dumb, but he wanted to show the systemic factors that Goofy was dealing with.

Shitty job, angry kid, and embarrassed by his lack of influence.

Man, it was wild how deep he leaned into all this.

Because

as far as I knew, Thomas had a really solid home life.

All of which brings us to why Dan Lebetard was in the 21 Savage fake movie trailer music video.

He's a part of the culture, whether he likes it or not.

I don't think he understands

his significance enough to have a developed opinion on it.

I don't know how to explain this to Greg Cody

and Stugatz exactly in ways that they would understand.

But the internet, I am told, because we are three old people, the internet has told me that I have beef with 21 Savage.

I think I could say to either Stugat or Greg Cody that his name is Savage 21 and they would not know the difference.

But I don't want to be having beef with

21 Savage.

I just remember him saying to me, like, what is this?

Yeah, it's like sometimes you're just in the right place at the right time.

You know what I mean?

Sometimes the universe comes for you.

And it was like, he had no idea 21 Savage was going to be such a huge thing.

So he interviewed on Highly Questionable RIP to a great show that interviewed rappers a lot.

A show that aired on ESPN.

Just to keep in mind what everybody's pulling off here.

I love that.

Where Dan and at the time, Bomani and Dan's dad, Poppy, Gonzalo Lebatard, are interviewing remotely 21 Savage.

Young Savage,

Without no heart.

I'm praying to my glock and my carving.

The background behind him is like, you know, the buildings or whatever, like kind of like a nice view.

He has like a green screen.

Yeah, like a tv a tv fake background

in a studio somewhere but the way like he's like sitting kind of and like spinning in his chair it makes him look like an evil villain like kind of you know and because like tan and bomani are kind of like you know here's 21 savage like kind of talking to him it's like a little bit like they're a little bit out of their element it kind of feels like they're scared of him because he's like a super villain so it's just a

thing that immediately kind of became like a meme i mean 21 savage has a tattoo like on on his forehead on his forehead between his eyebrows his hair is like an anime character i was gonna say imagine coolio was an anime character and you kind of approximate like a black saying

yes kind of if you watch dragon ball z and he is just like sort of like smiling and holding his hands in a way that has like a doctor claw aspect like as if he had just rotated his chair around.

And that still frame

inspired Donald to play the role of 21 Savage in that interview.

The casting, a big gap in the understanding that I had as to how, how much of an homage this was to this specific HQ interview was me then asking around to our group of friends that made this and being like,

like, oh my God, like, I would love to talk to the actor who played like dan i got to get him on the show and i believe i think it was fam who was just like

that guy has no idea

what role he was playing he really doesn't it was funny i remember that guy specifically was kind of like

Like an actor who's like there like doing a role.

He has no idea of like the context of what we're doing.

That was also what's funny.

You saw me having to explain to you what this is.

Yes.

So, trying to explain.

Your life is repeatedly being asked by people to explain the weird thing you're working on.

And that includes the people who are starring in various parts of the thing that they are helping you make.

This is the hardest part about creating anything.

You know, it is it starts off as an idea to you.

So you have to translate this into the real world to other people.

It's like, all right, so you're this Cuban guy with a dark goatee and you wear a suit behind this desk next to this old guy and this black dude on the other side and you have like buttons unbuttoned and you're kind of like, you're that guy.

And also,

I remember Bobani's complaint that he voiced online.

They thought that I would get all TV without no jacket all, just with a shirt, a dress shirt with the undershirt out of it, the out the pack joy.

We had to do just enough to be like, it's not you guys, you know?

And the old man in between them.

I remember that day specifically.

We're kind of behind.

So you just got to give them the fastest things.

I didn't give them the whole Coolio speech.

I didn't have time.

We were moving fast.

But that ended up being a thing that people eventually realized, oh, this isn't actually a movie.

That's how you know it's a good prank when people are sad at the when you're mad that you didn't get the fake movie that this advertised.

But that's the thing.

Like, you already know what this movie is.

You know, that's why it works so good.

You know, if they're like, we're making the 21 Savage movie, like, you already know what the highlights are and how Hollywood is going to twist that.

Have you ever seen the like?

Do not ask me if I've seen Gangster's Paradise.

Coolio's videos.

Have you ever seen the Biggie movie that came out a couple years ago?

If I don't make it, now I'm going back on the block.

What cracks me up about that movie is

I think he's, there's like a catchphrase in it.

He keeps being like, Can't change the world unless we change ourselves.

That Biggie is saying, like, over and over again again in the movie, where you're like, there's no way Miggie ever said that, right?

Like,

I don't think he's ever said that.

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I remember getting a text.

If I'm just going to throw Ibra under the bus, I think it was Ibra.

Ibra Ake, who is, again, not to dwell on who Ibra is, but just for people who don't know him, artist curmudgeon.

Professional.

Now, professional New Yorker.

Who lives in France now?

Yeah, exactly.

In the most New York way possible.

Creative director, guy who's worked with

like, yeah, real fiancé now.

I'm just like, what's the, the resume is actually crazy the more I say it aloud.

No, Ibrah is like a real artist.

A real artist.

A snob.

Professional snob Ibra.

Got to get a text from him.

Just to give you a sense of the high, he's the highbrow, you could argue.

He brings highbrow credibility.

He definitely does.

From now, Paris.

Can I get Stephen A.

Smith's contact info?

We're thinking of casting him in an episode of Atlanta.

What was the role for Stephen A.

Smith?

It was probably season three

of Atlanta.

This is the flamethrower episode of season three.

I'm going to donate a million dollars to your school.

And I'm changing the name from that degenerate slave owner to one of the richest black men this side of the Mississippi.

From now on, this school is going to be named the Robert S.

Lee High School.

Here are the other actors who I guess were being considered for the role.

Steve Harvey was our first choice.

Then Denzel and Spike and Kevin Samuels.

I am going to pay every single senior's college tuition.

Oh,

Steve Harvey.

Yeah!

Who's black?

We had wanted it to be Steve Harvey.

And I think

Steve Harvey seemed like he was into it and like he wanted to do it.

And then he kind of, I don't know, at the last moment dropped out.

He might have been you think he read the script.

I don't, I don't even, I don't know.

Actually, did he ever get the script?

Maybe that was it.

He read it.

It was like, uh,

I can't host Family Feud after this.

I was gonna say, I think he was shooting Family Feud at the time.

I think he was like

shooting Family Feud in Africa or something at the time.

That might have been what?

Welcome back to the feud, everybody.

The Sadira family won the game.

And now it's time to play.

As somebody who has met Steve Harvey,

when I, you know, became the owner of the greatest comeback in the history of Celebrity Family Feud.

Name the greatest breakfast food ever created.

Bacon.

Name someone you should never call when you're drunk.

Your mom.

Name a coin you throw into a fountain to make a wish.

A penny.

We got a shot.

I should have made you ask Steve Harvey why he didn't do our episode.

If I knew the backstory in full then, his voice would be right here.

Trying to get people in Atlanta, it's like

that's pretty much what it was.

You would just kind of be trying to work your network of like, hey, does anybody know?

Does anyone know William Deeson?

William Deeson thing

is...

One of my favorite things that a celebrity has agreed to do.

Eyes open.

Once again, kind of towing this line of like realness and like the strange that we love, you know.

Again, inspired by an actual interview a celebrity gave to someone.

Inspired by a real interview that he did.

I remembered an incident nearly 40 years ago

where a very dear friend of mine

was brutally raped.

But I

had never felt this feeling before, which was a primal urge to lash out.

I asked her, did you know the person?

It was a man.

No.

His race?

She said he was a black man.

I thought, okay.

And after that, there were some nights I went out deliberately into black areas

in this city looking to be set upon

so that I could unleash physical violence.

Liam Neeson says he's not racist.

That's in quotes.

After a controversial interview, Liam Neeson has this from the BBC.

Liam Neeson has denied he is racist after admitting he once set out to kill any black man who provoked.

Yeah, no, I mean, you know.

So just

sit in that for a second.

And so then you guys are like,

we have an idea for Liam Neeson.

I mean,

and by the way, the quote that I just read in all of its bluntness and discomfort is kind of where there is

a place to actually understand why Liam Neeson would want to do this and actually benefited from doing what he did with Atlanta.

Yeah, no, I mean, I think,

you know, shout out to Liam Neeson because it was, it was great for him to do this and to even like hear us out.

Talking in the Atlanta writer's room, we were like,

we were talking about it.

We're just like, it's kind of funny because he's doing the thing that we kind of want him to do.

You know, it's being honest and like telling these, like, this real thing, you know, and it's like, yeah, it's like maybe uncomfortable, but it's like, this is the truth.

And like, we're all better for it.

And like, he should be like applauded.

But of course, nobody, see the headline is just

you know taking him down.

We just thought was funny of like we always joke like you know, you go to like a restaurant you accidentally like

eat somebody else's food you get the wrong order and like a white guy there like that's enough to push him over the edge to racism He's like I hate all black people now.

You know, all he has to do is have one bad interaction with a black person.

And then you might

quote go out deliberately into black areas in the city looking to be set upon so i could unleash physical violence end quote from liam neeson which again the honesty in that he's like i'm gonna actually express what was going through my mind and

we are in fact better off when people are able to express how they honestly feel

So the episode, again, to fill in the blanks here, it's the season that, and the episode particularly in this case, takes place in Amsterdam.

Yeah.

And there's a club, a seemingly hallucinatory club, where you go in, and everybody who's in there has been canceled.

How did you get here?

Uh, I just followed a local.

What'd they do?

Which means,

oh, did they strangle a fan?

Shag a teenager?

How'd they get in?

Uh, thank you.

Now you don't have to say it's fine, it's your business.

I mean, not to spoil the episodes.

We can't spoil the what the f are we talking about.

Some people haven't seen Steve.

Spoiler alert, okay?

We can speak freely now.

You've been warned.

You've been warned.

Well, now I feel that way because you tried to ruin my career.

Didn't succeed, mind you.

However,

I'm sure one day I will get over it.

But until then,

we are mortal enemies

i'll see you to ryan victim i presume there are people who have not seen this and they should go and watch it and they should come back to this to find the analysis that we're providing i now realize i by the way for the record

whenever we meet up i have no idea what we're going to talk about turns out that i've just realized what Atlanta was through this particular lens, which is a show where you had to at one point ask Michael Vick to be on it.

Yeah, Michael Vick out here racing people.

He's taking bets, too.

Yeah, boy.

Is he?

Is he doing okay?

Oh, he's fine.

It's just some good hustle.

Yeah, drunk people just want to race.

This is his sixth race in the 10 minutes I've been standing here.

That boy good.

Anyone else?

Anyone?

Three to one odds.

It's fair.

I kind of want to see this.

I'll do it.

What are you doing?

Sometimes you just got to stun on people.

The shooting of it, in terms of like just

how you guys

told the story of the race,

as in

stops right as Donald seems to like get ahead of Michael Mick at the starting line, and then like the

motif of the

kind of like rocky music.

The whole thing of we don't need to show the race.

Yeah, you don't need to see the race, but it's like, how much of the race do you need to show?

It's like just him getting a jump on my

Vic is enough to make you laugh and like, oh, maybe he's actually going to do this, you know?

And then

the car.

And there is no music.

It is dead silent for several seconds.

And you don't even know the outcome, except it's now obvious what the outcome is.

And then she says, it's Michael Vick.

Which is the truth.

You know, that's what's so funny, too.

It's such a great economy of showing.

And I mean, in this case, obviously, like in writing, it's show, don't tell.

This is the inversion of that.

It's don't show either.

Like, don't show and don't tell.

It's kind of like

horror movies, you know?

It's like like the less you show sometimes, it's like the better, you know.

Let people's imagination work a little bit, you know.

I mean, Donald always had a philosophy on the show, too, of just like, we don't need to explain everything to the audience.

We don't need to like hold their hand through everything.

Like, they're going to get it.

You know, TV, sometimes you're like too worried about like explaining everything.

You know,

it's like, I got to bring dangerous minds minds from it's literally the exact opposite to what I've been forcing you to do

for an hour

an Atlanta legend.

Can you take us inside the origin of that scene?

Do you remember how it originated?

I remember me and one of the other writers on the show, Jamal aka Swank.

Yeah, I remember we went to like Complex Con

year,

like out here in LA.

And like you go into like the bathroom, and it's like a hundred dice games going on, like full matty.

It's like a Star Wars casino in the bathroom.

That's what's kind of like funny about like Atlanta.

Like, you know, the strip club or like the parking lot, even.

It's like, there's like a million things like going on, other side hustles and side adventures happening, you know, all throughout this place.

It's like a pool game going on over here for thousands of dollars, you know.

And it's just this idea that Michael Vick could like raise money whenever he wants, you know, just for racing drunk people, which, to be fair, is a pretty great thing.

I mean, if I was in Atlanta and Michael Vick was in a parking lot and people were racing him, I would definitely be interested.

I mean, I feel like that's actually a wildly that's like hot ones now.

That's hot.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That was hot.

I know, I know.

Still hot.

It's a, it's a weird show.

I know.

That's like a, that's a complex YouTube franchise, actually.

Speaking of which.

Man, we should talk to Michael Vick and see how if he wants to race people.

He interviews people, like, they're like stretching.

He's like, kind of like, so, like, what's the movie about?

Like, they're both at a starting line.

And he races them.

He's like racing.

Like.

You have to answer while you're racing him.

It's like long distance.

Like they're going to race him for like a mile.

That's the equalizer with Michael Vick.

If you can run for a long time, you know, that's how you beat him.

What was the

pitch to Michael Vick?

Was that a hard?

Do you remember if it was a hard ask if he got it immediately?

If he was like,

yeah, I'll do that.

I think he was pretty on board.

He was actually like, sure, yeah, that sounds cool.

Like, I remember he was like, into it and fine.

I mean, with that shot in particular, I'm like, that's just like a

perfect

kind of picture of like doing comedy, especially too, of like

the script, whatever's in the script there, it was not what it was there.

You know what I mean?

It's like, you got to like find it.

You got to find the comedic timing.

Sometimes that's there.

Sometimes it's in the editing.

i realized that too like first season people would read scripts and they would be like what is this you know kind of like what are we doing you know by the time wait a minute justin bieber is black yeah exactly wait it's cool it's cool

this is me this is the real justin i'm not it was always funny with the justin bieber episode i remember we literally sent it to fx the script and they were like

are we gonna be able to get justin Bieber?

Like, that was like the kind of the first ask because that's that's how hard it was to for them to understand what was going on.

Script, like, so you guys want us to get Justin Bieber, they're like, So, Donald's gonna get Justin Bieber, right?

Because we're not going,

we can't do that, you know.

But look, the term from literature to be highbrow, right, is magical realism.

Like, that's Spanish literature.

It's like they don't, they're not explaining either.

Yeah, yeah, like why

is there this mysterious man on a bus eating like a peanut butter sandwich?

Resistance is a symptom of the way things are,

not the way things necessarily should be.

Actual victory belongs to things that simply do not see failure.

Let the path push you like a broken branch in a river's current.

Nah, nah, I'm not going out like that, but thanks for the

Fight your sandwich.

At the end of the book, they don't tell you, by the way, that was an allegory.

Do you think it's harder or easier to make Atlanta now

than it was compared to when you guys actually did make multiple seasons critically acclaimed and also very at times subreddit aggravating?

It's hard to answer that question because

in some ways it's like, yeah, it would be hard to get it made.

But at the same time, I think people are just as thirsty for this.

type of thing.

So in some ways, the climate is like perfect for for it, you know.

I, I, you know, yes, yes, that's, that's the argument for it is that we are, whether we can articulate this or articulate it enough, we are starving for stuff that actually does make us think as well as make us laugh at the same time.

Yeah, and doing

that's smart, but again, has some cheese melted on the broccoli

is is we just don't have enough of it, even as we're starving for it.

Even when people are asking for it, the timing's got to be right.

You got to be able to like find a way to cut through.

I think our show was able to cut through.

And like, in an age where everybody's also like, look at me, I'll do anything to cut through.

It's like, how do you subvert that?

It's like, well, you just be good, I guess.

I do like how the lesson at the end of this, like, what did I find out today?

I guess you should be good at making things.

I would bet on whoever is actually like skilled.

You definitely,

you definitely should, you know?

I mean, it's like

I'll go to the

like farmer's market, very LA sort of thing, you know, and there's like this bread-like place that's there, like just kind of like French bakery that comes out there.

And all the bread is like, every time you like come, it's like most of it's gone because I guess people are coming at like six in the morning to get this bread or whatever.

You're going to be like, there's no way this

croissant is that good or whatever.

And then you like get one, you get like something there, and you're like, oh, this actually is pretty good.

And you're like, yeah, you know, like you said, betting on the people who know what they're doing.

You could think like, man, I'll just go to.

Vons and get a croissant, but it's like, you're going to pay for that.

No,

and by the way what you need are people who have maybe the ability to like communicate and then teach this to younger people even if they may seem like a strange person to listen to which does remind me of the movie dangerous minds

man

we got maybe we'll just update dangerous minds

i'm thinking lando the lando movies just kind of like dangerous minds

what if lando lando was michelle Pfeiffer?

He, there's a space school in Cloud City.

There's a lot of these like inner cloud city

aliens, they gotta pass this test, but they don't believe in themselves enough.

You know, they got a lot of issues with their alien home life.

We'll pitch that to Disney.

This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Metalark media production.

And I'll talk to you next time.